The one where Rachels NEVER Read the Bible || CALLING IT NOW

Added: 2026-05-04

[00:00:00]Let's let's uh let's pull up Rachel.

[00:00:02]Rachel from Nevada uh calling and telling us that we're gambling with people's souls and doing Satan's work.

[00:00:09]Rachel, you're on the line with Forest and Joan. How old are you, Rachel?

[00:00:14]>> I am 39.

[00:00:18]>> Okay, Rachel, 39. You think we're doing Satan's work, huh?

[00:00:22]>> Yeah, because I mean, you're literally trying to get other people to not believe in Jesus. And I think that's disgusting. It's like, oh my god. Like, what are you trying to do?

[00:00:32]>> True.

[00:00:33]>> You know, >> who created Satan? Rachel, >> wait real quick for us. Rachel, who created Satan?

[00:00:38]>> Who created Satan again?

[00:00:41]>> Who created Satan? Say that one more time.

[00:00:44]>> Who created Satan?

[00:00:45]>> Yeah. Who created Satan? Yeah.

[00:00:48]>> Um, well, I guess God. I'm not sure. I haven't read the entire Bible.

[00:00:52]>> I'm doing the Lord's work.

[00:00:54]>> I'm actually doing the Lord's work then.

[00:00:56]>> Really? That's >> Yeah. If he created way of looking at it, but okay.

[00:01:01]>> Is it he created?

[00:01:02]>> That's like a That's like a fifth grader's kind of argument, but okay.

[00:01:06]Again, >> is it?

[00:01:08]>> He created >> No, it's not.

[00:01:09]>> I'll give you a different one whenever Jovon's done because I think I have totally different No, that's I I was curious like Rachel, just so we're on the same page. You understand that we don't think that this God or Satan are real, right?

[00:01:23]>> Yeah, I understand that.

[00:01:25]>> Okay. And do you understand that not only that we don't just ask whether or not God is real, we also ask like what kind of person is this God, right? We've read this, we read the Bible, we've been presented with this story and everything like that. And we're looking at who is God and what kind of person is he and what's his character like? And we have come to the conclusion that the God of the Bible, the God of Christianity, if he exists, is definitely evil. Right? Do you understand that you believe that?

[00:01:52]>> Total douchebag.

[00:01:53]>> I understand. I do not agree. But yes, >> that >> that's fine. I'm just asking if you understand. And so here we are like saying, "Hey, this god isn't worth worshiping in the first place. We don't think it exists at all, but if it does, nobody should be a fan of it. If put yourself in our shoes for a second, again, you don't have to agree with us, but just for a second, imagine you believe the same thing that we do. What would you be doing with your time? Would you be encouraging people to continue believing in this evil god and all the horrible things that it teaches and all the horrible results that it causes around the world? Or would you be doing your best wasting the one life that you know you have to help people free themselves from the shackles of this evil religion? What would you do?

[00:02:41]>> That kind of twisted and turned a little bit. Hold on. Um, first of all, I think that you just saying that we came to the conclusion is kind of silly because it's like we are human. We have little tiny [ __ ] brain. Sorry for cussing. We have little brains. You can curse all you want. So, it's kind of silly. You can curse all you want. We love cursing.

[00:03:00]>> I have a I have a much bigger brain than God. Actually, >> my brain exists. All right, cool. But I think that it's it's just like it it just baffles me like when people have such arrogance where they can think that we and see, we did not just mute you or anything. You just like you viped out into non-existence.

[00:03:43]Um, I would like to continue.

[00:03:45]>> It's a gamble. It's a gamble and it's >> Oh, there it is. Okay, we got you back.

[00:03:50]Sorry.

[00:03:54]Okay.

[00:03:56]All right, Rick, can you hear us now?

[00:03:59]>> Yeah, yeah, I can hear you.

[00:04:02]>> Okay, there's a weird thing going on.

[00:04:04]You sound a little bit robotic and you just vanished from the stream for a minute. We couldn't hear you for like 10 15 seconds. Um, are you still there? Can we hear you now?

[00:04:13]>> Yeah, I'm I'm here. Can you hear me?

[00:04:16]>> Yes, I can hear you. Okay. I don't know what just happened. Um, could you please summarize what you just said back to me because >> it uh it doesn't really matter on that end. It just there was a glitch on our side and you went away for a second, but we can hear you now. I don't want to talk over you. Will you please just summarize what you just said in response to me and then I'm going to ask you a follow-up question.

[00:04:36]>> Um, I kind of forgot what I said. What did I say? Um, >> I can repose my question to you if you like.

[00:04:47]>> Yes, please.

[00:04:49]>> Okay. Okay. So, what I asked you is we we agreed that you understand that we don't think that God and Satan are real, but also we have read the Bible and and we've analyzed Christianity and we have determined from our perspective that this God is not worth worshiping and is evil. And so, my question to you was, if you were in our position, what would you do? Will you encourage people to follow Jesus despite the fact that we think Jesus is not worth worshiping and is actually detrimental and continue participating in Christianity even though we think Christianity is a harmful religion that is hurting people right now in our society? Or would you do what we're doing and tell people, hey, don't believe this, and try to help people get out of this religion. What would you do if you were us?

[00:05:36]>> If I were you? Okay. So, if I were you and I went through the Bible and I concluded that he's an evil God, which he's not, but if I did, um, >> definitely is.

[00:05:50]>> Well, I would think like there's one of two things to there's one of only two two outcomes to that. So, if if he's wrong, then what is the devil right?

[00:05:59]Like, that doesn't make any sense.

[00:06:01]>> We don't believe Well, we don't believe the devil's real.

[00:06:03]>> So, it's like, >> sorry, >> we don't believe the devil is real. We think that this is a harmful religion that teaches harmful things. That the character of God is evil and people are out here worshiping something that is both evil and non-existent.

[00:06:18]>> It would be like It would be like if somebody started a cult in order to worship Darth Vader. I'd be like, "You probably shouldn't do that."

[00:06:23]>> Exactly.

[00:06:24]>> He wasn't a was a good guy in a movie.

[00:06:26]>> I don't think Darth Vader is a good person and I don't think he exists if people worship him.

[00:06:30]>> Darth Vader killed a lot less kids than God did.

[00:06:34]>> But still.

[00:06:36]Yeah. Okay. But no, I agree. I agree that um uh Damn, I have a really bad short-term memory. Let's move.

[00:06:47]>> Um what was I saying?

[00:06:51]>> Let's see.

[00:06:54]>> So, just forgot. I'm sorry. I've been talking.

[00:06:58]>> My my my question to you was what would you do in our position? And it sounds like you're having a hard time even putting yourself in the position that this could be wrong. You're saying, "Well, Satan's definitely bad." And all these different things, >> but like God is evil, >> right? I didn't ask you if you did. I'm asking you to >> Rachel. I'm asking you to entertain a hypothetical here.

[00:07:21]>> I I can tell you for sure that if if I believed like you did, I would be a preacher. I would be out in the street corner trying to save people's souls. I would be spending my life getting out there and getting people saved and getting people excited about the Lord and letting them know that you can't be lukewarm or God will spew you if you're mouth from his mouth. You got to be constantly out here doing I would be out doing [ __ ] like crazy all the time. But I don't. And so >> I can put myself in your shoes. I'm just asking you to put yourself in mine for a second. Like if if you could accept if just believe imagine for a second that you don't believe the way you do what would you do with your life.

[00:08:03]>> I would probably just live it as carefree as I wanted to for sure.

[00:08:07]>> That's that's what atheists want to do >> as much as I wanted to like do anything that I wanted to. And I I think >> well you wouldn't believe you wouldn't believe in >> that's like a [ __ ] child like I would So here's the thing. ritual, you wouldn't believe you wouldn't believe in sin. We don't believe sin is a thing >> because sin is by definition going against the will of God and there's no god to go against the will of Satanism is do what I want, right? Like so just do everything.

[00:08:34]>> No, it's not. No, it's not. And also I want to throw out there just so we're on the same page. I do whatever I want all the time. Well, most of the time. And I do, you know, what you would call sin as much as I want. and I live a very happy and productive life and I help a lot of people and I don't hurt anybody because I don't have any desire to rape, murder, steal, kill any anything wrong. I don't want to do those things. Um, and so I don't and so like I have a moral I don't I don't tell lies as much as I can and I don't commit adultery. I'm very faithful to my wife.

[00:09:10]>> Um, I don't have any problem all the time. Like I don't know what exactly >> I'm just saying like you were using like the you were using like murder lies I mean like steal and all the the you know the quote unquote big ones but you know lying is a sin you know what I mean and people do that so consistently that's why >> God shouldn't have lied in the Bible then if he wants us not to lie >> right >> when did he lie >> literally the first book >> yeah literally the first lie in the universe was told by God in Genesis but like this is the thing man I'm happy to go through it with if you'd like. If you want to have a conversation about >> if you want to have a conversation about whether or not the Christian God is evil, I'm happy to have that conversation. But what I think is more important here is that you're calling in saying that we're doing Satan's work.

[00:09:53]No, we're not. We don't believe Satan is real. And you're saying that we're gambling with people's souls. No, we're not. We don't think that souls are real and we're trying to free people from things. And all I'm trying to get you to understand here, Rachel, is I can sit here and argue the Bible with you all day long. I can sit here and argue whether God's a good person all day long. But if you believed like I believe and you were a good person, you would be doing the same thing that I'm doing because what I'm doing in my perspective is a moral and good and selfless thing to do. That's all I'm trying to help you get to. That's it.

[00:10:24]>> Okay?

[00:10:24]>> If you want to talk about God, talk about God.

[00:10:26]>> I get >> No, I understand your perspective on it.

[00:10:29]I understand where you're coming from like as far as you not believing it in it. So you think that it's detrimental to the world and blah blah blah. But I am saying that I feel like it's it's actually not. But the Christianity has has um like transformed like like crazy.

[00:10:47]So I mean like the the people who claim they're Christians now who are hateful against like other people in general like doesn't matter white, black, blue, red, whatever the [ __ ] If if if you are hateful towards other people, you're not following Jesus. So you're not a real Christian. Like period.

[00:11:04]>> Okay. So then I posit to you Rachel that that is a very new perspective. That is a very modern Christian perspective, first of all. Second of all, there are over 40,000 denominations of Christianity. So all you're telling me is that your flavor of Christian is the only right one. And I guarantee Rachel, every single Christian I talk to today and next week and every single week that I do these shows is going to tell me something different than what you believe and say that every other kind of Christian is wrong. I have talked to thousands of Christians. Every one of them has said the exact same thing that you just said. Every other Christian is wrong. I know the right kind of Christianity and I read the Bible and I know this and I know that and they all say the same thing and they all don't believe in each other and they all think that the other people are going to hell.

[00:11:47]>> So, it's not really convincing to me or you just tell me your preference doesn't really do much.

[00:11:52]>> Right. Right. Well, like I said, I mean, well, I don't know if you heard me like it might have been when I was cut off, but I have not read the whole Bible. I'm working on it. And like I said, I was I was trying to I'm trying to get closer to God and I've had revelations with him. Like I've you know what I mean? So I know that he exists and I know that, you know, so it's kind of hard to imagine that I don't believe him when so much [ __ ] has happened in my life where I'm like, "Okay, yeah, like there's no denying that."

[00:12:18]>> And that is the exact same thing. And that is the exact same thing that every Muslim and Hindu and every other religious person of every other conflicting religion says because humans are really good at those kinds of hallucinations.

[00:12:30]>> I don't think so.

[00:12:32]>> I don't think so. I know a lot of people are trying to find God. I know a lot of people are trying to find God, but they're not. They haven't any devout go talk to any devout Muslim about whether or not she or she has encountered God and I promise you they will they will give you their story.

[00:12:50]>> No, I have. I've talked to many people.

[00:12:52]I I love learning about new like all not new but all the religions and stuff like I try to open my mind, right? I started off let me ask you I had a moment in life where I was like I don't believe right or it's hard to believe but it's like I don't know you grow in your faith you grow in all that you know >> you have to get a question grow >> yes >> can I ask you a question Rachel >> does everything that happens in the universe happen according to God's will >> I want to say yes but I know that that's a very hard question answer. So, I don't know.

[00:13:31]>> Cuz if it's yes, >> I want to say yes. I want to believe so, but I'm not sure.

[00:13:36]>> Okay. If the answer is yes, then we're doing God's work. We're not doing Satan's work.

[00:13:41]>> You're doing God's work by telling everybody that he doesn't exist.

[00:13:45]>> Yes. Because according to you, everything happens according to God's plan. So, he planned and willed for us to be atheists. He wants us to be atheists. He wants us to preach a message that he doesn't exist.

[00:13:55]>> Yes.

[00:13:56]He wants us to go online and tell people that he's evil.

[00:14:00]>> So, so then God, do you believe in heaven and h? So, if you believe in Satan and you believe in souls going to hell and all these different things and you just said, "Yeah, of course, God wants certain people to be atheists." I was then God wants certain people to go to hell. So, God made Jovon and I knowing that we would be atheists, knowing that we would have shows like this and do these things in order to send us and everyone who believes us to eternal hellfire. He made these things happen so that certain people could be tortured for eternity. He's a sick, vindictive piece of [ __ ] That's an evil thing to do.

[00:14:33]>> No. No. He loves you. He's giving you will your your free will. That's not love to do whatever you're doing. And if you decide to reject him, that's on you.

[00:14:42]That's not on him. He's giving you the opportunity.

[00:14:45]>> That's not true. That's not what you just said. You said that that you No.

[00:14:49]What you just said, Rachel, is that God made some people to be atheists and he wants some people to be atheists and he knows all this stuff is happening and that's all part of his plan. So, no, this is not about free will or anything like that. He made some people so that he could torture them. He made some If you have children, Rachel and then set them on fire. If you have to children and then you set them on fire and you say, "Well, yeah, I made that one to burn." That doesn't [ __ ] matter.

[00:15:20]You're still a monster. God is still a monster because he made certain people knowing they would go against him. Free will or not, he knew it was going to happen ahead of time because he knows all things past, present, and future. He knew what was going to happen and he made them anyway. And he could have changed their mind without violating their free will. And he didn't. and he tortured those people for all eternity because they hurt his feelings. He is a child. He is a a poor pathetic little ch kid, a toddler with a magnifying glass burning ants and also he creates the ants to burn. This is not a god worth worshiping, Rachel.

[00:15:56]>> I've heard that before. But it's um I think the the the best thing to say in that situation is like I cannot lean on my own understanding. I don't know God's like his best. That's what cult leaders and that's what leaders say.

[00:16:12]>> Well, it's it's also it's just a copout.

[00:16:14]It's just a copout when we when we get you to something that you don't >> It kind of is, but it's more faith.

[00:16:19]It's more faith having more having faith in something without evidence and then you and then you having faith in something without evidence and then anytime somebody brings up something that like logically contradicts your faith to go, "Well, I just I'm sure that that being that's higher than me has a plan and they've got it all figured out and I just can't comprehend it. It's just a copout."

[00:16:41]>> Well, I'm not arrogant enough to believe that I know how God thinks. Let me ask you. We don't have to. Wait, wait, hold up. We don't have to believe. We don't have to believe. Rachel, Rachel, Rachel, Rachel, Rachel, Rachel, Rachel, Rachel.

[00:16:56]We don't have to. We don't have to make up how God thinks. We have an entire book that tells us how he thinks. So, we know how >> we interpret it in different ways. Yeah, we do.

[00:17:07]>> I interpret it as it's written.

[00:17:09]>> I interpret it in the way that it's written. So when it tells me that God is this loving being that he loves all of us and that he that he wants the best for all of us and that he tortures us all the time and he lets us suffer all the time and he allows evil in the world all the time.

[00:17:27]>> He creates evil in the world. It says >> he literally creates it. Evil only exists because of him. That's not an allloving being. That's not a being that loves us. A being that loves us wouldn't make us suffer. I don't torture my kids.

[00:17:41]>> How do you know that he if if God is love able to No, no. Listen. If if God is love, Rachel specifically, if God is love, then how >> Rachel, making someone suffer for no reason is not love. And that's how people end up in DV situations.

[00:18:01]>> We don't know that.

[00:18:02]>> God is an abusive that came up with it. us.

[00:18:09]>> Rachel, let me just let me just repeat some of this back to you, right? I'm very small and and weak and he is big and strong. He loves me. That's why he has to correct me by by hurting me and and he's uh if I piss him off and do something wrong, then I know he's going to hurt me more, but I deserve it because at the end of the day, I'm just stupid and I don't know any better and he's the only smart one here and he knows so much more than me and his ideas and plans so much better than me. And so my life really just depends on what he That's what you're giving us, right?

[00:18:41]>> Yeah, pretty much.

[00:18:42]>> Literally. Literally all of that. I was describing an abused wife. Every bit of that I was describing an abused wife talking about her husband beating the [ __ ] out of her. That is what we hear from abuse victims all the time. You have [ __ ] Stockholm syndrome, Rachel.

[00:18:59]And what I'm trying to get to you here is you're giving us this stuff about, well, it's all just faith. We just have to believe it. Is there anything any idea or concept or belief at all that we could come to and believe with our whole heart that we couldn't do based on on your worldview? Frame it a different way. Is there anything at all that we can't believe in based on faith like that?

[00:19:24]>> Is there anything that we can't believe in based off faith like that?

[00:19:28]>> Yep. Anything at all that we could not believe in based on your faith?

[00:19:36]I I don't I don't know. I don't think so. I mean, well, I've always said there isn't. Yeah. I've always told my I've always just turned your brain off everything, but I believe in the possibility of almost everything.

[00:19:47]>> Yeah. Possibility of almost anything.

[00:19:50]>> There is nothing you couldn't believe in by just saying, "Fuck it. I just have faith. I the the whoever is in charge knows more than me, so [ __ ] it. I guess the tooth bunny is real because I just have to believe it or whatever. There is no stupid belief. Yes, that [ __ ] Yes, that [ __ ] >> That's not true. Yeah, that's not true.

[00:20:10]>> The only difference between the tooth and [ __ ] like that. No, >> the only difference between the tooth fairy and Santa Claus and your god, Rachel, is that you find one of them ridiculous and the other one not ridiculous when in fact they are both ridiculous. Rachel Rachel I've heard I've seen work through my life like I've seen work through Rachel. Rachel Rachel Rachel Rachel >> N you haven't you haven't.

[00:20:33]>> Yes I have.

[00:20:34]>> Listen listen listen listen listen.

[00:20:36]>> If I had >> I don't know if I had kids right >> and at some point I go okay I regret having these children. They don't listen to me. They're outwardly disobeying me.

[00:20:48]They're doing things I don't want them to do. And then I kill them all.

[00:20:53]and just start over. Am I a good person?

[00:20:57]>> No.

[00:20:59]>> So why is God good when he did that to us?

[00:21:02]>> That's literally the story of the story.

[00:21:03]>> He's not a person.

[00:21:04]>> He's God. He's not a created into this world that could take you out.

[00:21:12]I I kind of see that with God. Like he's he's the ultimate parent, right? So it's like >> crazy. That's a shitty way to live.

[00:21:19]>> It's kind of like when you said I know it. Well, no, I don't think so. But if you send your kid to public school, right, and they grow into who they are, like with their peers and everything and and you you see them as like, you know, a different kind of person because like that's not what you raised your child to to to, you know, to be like what as opposed to like private school, right?

[00:21:42]Where you or no, not private school, sorry. Um, homeschool. That's what I was thinking. So if you're, you know, so you have control over how you're, you're you're talking to your kids and you're, you know, you're teaching them and stuff like that. I feel like God sent us to private or no, to public school, right?

[00:21:57]And he's trying, he's like, you know what? I want you guys to be to have my character, but I can't have you have my character if you're, you know, going along with your peers and going along with this and going along with that.

[00:22:09]It's like it's not, it doesn't work. So I feel that God is as the ultimate parent is trying to get us closer to him and his character.

[00:22:18]>> Does that make sense?

[00:22:19]>> Let me just ask. No, it doesn't. Rachel, let let me ask you.

[00:22:23]>> Is there Absolutely. Do you have children? Do you have children?

[00:22:26]>> I do not. No.

[00:22:28]>> Do you have anyone in your life that you love with all your heart?

[00:22:32]>> Of course.

[00:22:33]>> Okay. What could that person do to cause you to want them to go to hell?

[00:22:44]to cause nothing.

[00:22:47]>> Okay. And if you if you were we have a trolley problem here where you if you're right there in heaven and you have the lever and you get to send them to hell, >> what could that person do for you to decide even if you don't like it and you don't want it, the best thing is that they go to hell. That's what has to happen and you're going to make sure it happens. What could they do?

[00:23:08]>> I think pedophiles sit up there. Mhm. In that >> so the person that you love very much if they were to rape children then you could say you know at the end of the day I want you to go to hell.

[00:23:21]>> It would have to be a lot but yeah I I think that's pretty you don't [ __ ] with the children. Yeah.

[00:23:27]>> Okay. Great. So then we have a hard line. Um so then let's talk about God in the Bible who not only committed pedophilia but also told other people to do it. pedophilia.

[00:23:40]>> He did. Mary was 14 years old when he impregnated her against her will. Uh and also he told the Israelites when they I believe it was uh Amalcch or Canaan, I don't remember.

[00:23:51]>> It was in numbers. He said, "Go >> Medianites." It was the Medionites.

[00:23:55]>> Medianites. Thank you.

[00:23:57]>> When God told the Israites people, >> "Go kill all the Medianites, kill all the men, kill all the women, kill all the children, but keep the virgin girls for yourself. the ba the young girls who have never seen a man. Keep them for yourself. Do with them what you will. So he was cool with pedophilia then committed pedophilia with Mary.

[00:24:14]>> So again, you agree that God is evil, right?

[00:24:18]>> No, I don't agree that God is evil.

[00:24:20]>> I agree because it's a different standard for him, right?

[00:24:23]>> It's a different standard for him because he's so big and strong.

[00:24:26]>> Yeah, it is a different Rachel. Rachel >> Rachel Rachel. Do you think the people that died in the flood, did they suffer >> from drowning?

[00:24:37]>> Probably.

[00:24:38]>> Were they in pain?

[00:24:40]>> Probably.

[00:24:41]>> Was it like torturous, do you think?

[00:24:42]Excruciating pain? They couldn't breathe. They were they were trapped.

[00:24:47]They were scared. They were starving.

[00:24:50]Some of them they like like you think so, right?

[00:24:55]>> Probably. Yeah.

[00:24:56]>> And you think that's a version of love?

[00:24:59]A version of loving us is doing that to someone. Of >> course not. And >> what about the Egyptian? What about the Egyptian firstborns? What about the Egyptian firstborns? The Egyptian f the Egypt the babies that died in the flood were degenerates. How so?

[00:25:14]>> All the all the babies that died.

[00:25:15]>> I don't know about >> Well, they must have been. You said everyone in the world. Well, all those babies suffered.

[00:25:21]>> All of those babies died the same way.

[00:25:24]>> None of them got saved. What about the firstborn Egyptian children? Did they did they deserve it when they all died?

[00:25:30]Was that love killing all the firstborn Egyptians?

[00:25:33]>> I think No. Something I just thought of right now because of this conversation.

[00:25:37]I think that >> I know it's going to sound wrong, I think, but it's like it it is what it is. It's God who created pe who created these people. He created these children who created the babies, right? If he wants to take them out of the world, he I mean like I don't know. So it's okay to kill babies if God commands it to do it.

[00:25:59]>> So then what if God commands it? What if God commands it of a person?

[00:26:03]>> Because he says don't kill. So if God is saying >> Rachel, what if God Rachel >> Rachel What if God commands it of a person? What if God tells a person to kill babies?

[00:26:20]>> Like in the in the Bible or like in general? Like >> Well, I mean, he did it a bunch in the Bible. We can look at the We can look at the Medionites. He told Moses to send the Israelites, slaughter all the Medit.

[00:26:30]>> I don't really know the context.

[00:26:31]>> He literally Yeah.

[00:26:32]>> He literally says in the Bible to cut open the stomachs of pregnant women and pull out the babies from the wombs and make sure they're dead. So like it's we could take that or we could talk about in real life, Rachel. It doesn't matter.

[00:26:43]But just if God commands someone to kill babies, that's okay.

[00:26:50]>> No, I never think it's okay to kill babies. But at the same time, God has his reasons for doing whatever he does. Yeah.

[00:26:58]>> So then if you think if you think that it's bad to kill babies, then you agree when God said several times, "Kill the babies." In the Bible, he says, "Kill the infants, kill the suckling babies, cut open pregnant women's stomachs, and kill their babies inside them." He says all of this, you agree that God was doing things that were wrong then. God was committing evil acts in those moments, right?

[00:27:20]>> Me personally, I think that that is not right. Yes. But I don't >> So you agree with us that So you agree with us that God does evil things.

[00:27:29]>> No, I don't know. I don't know. Cuz you're not seeing my my my heart in it.

[00:27:34]You know what I mean? Like you're not.

[00:27:36]It doesn't matter what your heart Rachel. It does not matter. Hold on.

[00:27:39]Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Something way [ __ ] bigger than you guys.

[00:27:42]>> Rachel. Rachel, if God told you, if God told you to go slaughter a group of people, including the babies, if God told this to you, would you do it?

[00:27:52]No.

[00:27:54]No. I would disobey God. Probably be very obedient to God.

[00:27:57]>> Neworn Christian.

[00:27:58]>> I probably would. Yeah. So, >> you don't you don't hold to your own [ __ ] Rachel.

[00:28:03]>> I do hold to my own [ __ ] I also know >> God is all good, but look at all my own standards. Yeah.

[00:28:07]>> Wait. God is all good, but he's slaughtered. He Hold on, Rachel.

[00:28:13]>> Rachel, this makes like I wouldn't I wouldn't consider that God if cuz God would never tell me to do that.

[00:28:19]>> I'm sorry. So, it wasn't It wasn't God in 1 Samuel. Hold on. Hold on. It wasn't God in 1 Samuel 15:3 where he told Samuel to tell Saul, "Do not spare them, but kill both man, woman, child, and infant." It wasn't God in Deuteronomy when he said, "Save alive nothing that breathes." It wasn't God in Joshua where he told Jericho that men, women, young, and old should all be killed. It wasn't God in Numbers when he told Moses to slaughter every one of the Canaanite people except for the virgin girls. It wasn't God in Hosea. It wasn't God in Exodus. It wasn't God in any of these stories.

[00:28:52]>> The same.

[00:28:54]>> It wasn't God in any of these stories.

[00:28:57]>> Doesn't matter. It's the same. It's the same God.

[00:28:59]>> Saying that he's not.

[00:29:00]>> It's the same God. Rachel know he did it cuz it's in the [ __ ] Rachel. I'm sorry, but it's nonsense when you sit up here and go, "Well, he would never tell me to do this." That's God's not like that when he is like that. He did it a bunch of times. He slaughtered his He had his own son slaughtered because New Testament authors wanted to get people to believe in a new religion which was Christianity. So they worked they wrote that religion to be about love because the old one which was Judaism was about being fearful of God and they were like we're not going to get as many followers if we do the fearful thing. So let's do the love thing but we're not going to divorce our God from that old God.

[00:29:39]Instead, this God is going to make going to change. Even though even though the Bible said God is a neverchanging being, somehow now he has changed. And he changed because he sent his one son. He sent his only son to be slaughtered. He sent his only son to be tortured when he could have forgiven us by snapping his [ __ ] fingers.

[00:30:02]>> No, >> he's kind of a prick.

[00:30:03]>> It's a little different. It's a little bit more than that.

[00:30:06]>> It's a prick. I mean, I'm sorry.

[00:30:09]>> No, Rachel, your entire argument boils down to might makes right. God is big and strong, so everything he does is good no matter what. And that is what slavers and fascists think. It's just [ __ ] lazy thinking, dude. So, I encourage you to just hold your religion to your own moral standard and it will fall apart overnight instead of making literally just look up the definition of the word special pleading. It is a basic logical fallacy that you even admitted to saying, "Yeah, there's special rules for God." You're just making special exceptions to your own moral and logical rules so that you can carve out a space for this monster that you want to believe in. When at the end of the day, anybody else ever, any other god ever, if I told you that I believe in a different god who says all the horrible [ __ ] that you're sitting here saying right now, you would call me insane.

[00:30:56]You're just making a special hole in your logic for this god that you want to believe in. And it's [ __ ] sad, dude.

[00:31:01]And I hope that you just think about it for two seconds because at the end of the day, I think you're a better person than your god.

[00:31:08]>> Oh, >> he's a good god that kills babies.

[00:31:12]>> I don't think I'm that good. But, you know, I don't know. I better go than the old I mean, I I've never heard about I've never heard um what you said that the Old Testament and then they they uh they created a New Testament because they wanted it a loving God. Never heard that.

[00:31:28]>> Where'd you get that from? That's one.

[00:31:32]Where'd you get that from, Joan?

[00:31:34]>> Yeah, that just comes from the knowledge of like how early Christian like early Christian uh pushers like changed things uh about the religion. Like look at Paul. Paul the like all the letters of Paul. Paul very much wanted to convert people to Christianity. And we know that a bunch of [ __ ] Paul writes is just made up [ __ ] >> So like what would be the reason to make up [ __ ] Literally so much because it contradicts because it contradicts everything >> because it contradicts everything about the God about God previously.

[00:32:06]>> Literally, it contradict everything about this man.

[00:32:10]>> Jesus said that God is ever changing.

[00:32:12]Past, present, and future is all the same. Jesus said, "I come not to change the law of the Old Testament, but to fulfill it." Jesus said, "Not a jot or a tit of the old law shall change until everything comes to pass in the end of the age and blah blah blah." Jesus says, "I come not to bring peace, but a sword." Jesus says, "I come to set brother against brother and blah blah blah and and all who who do not hate their parents over me cannot truly follow me." Jesus is very much of the same kind of vibe that the God of the Old Testament is. He just doesn't kill people the way the God of the Old Testament does. It isn't until Paul comes along that we get contradictory stories about the resurrection, contradictory stories about Jesus's message, contradictory stories about salvation.

[00:32:50]Like, I'm sorry. Well, I would I I would say Paul is the original the original contra contradictory. There's so many there's so many Rachel when Jesus is born is wait Rachel Rachel Rachel Rachel Rachel there's direct contradictions in the gospels in the letters of Paul based around when Jesus was born based on the events of the the resurrection like how they happened based on what's required for him to come back based on who was re ruling the area at the time like they're they're all different cuz they were all written decades after Christ you >> then that scholars are disagreeing with you.

[00:33:29]>> They don't actually work only lazy scholars.

[00:33:32]>> I've heard scholars say >> we work with Bible scholars on these channels, dude.

[00:33:37]>> Like there's no there's no contradiction.

[00:33:38]>> You're talking about harmonics. You're talking about harmonics. Rachel, actual Bible scholars are very upfront about the contradictions because they know that the Bible was written by humans.

[00:33:49]Even religious Bible scholars will tell you, "Yeah, this Bible's written by humans. It was interpreted and reinterpreted and re-ransated a million times. [ __ ] was added in, [ __ ] was taken out. There's bound to be some contradictions. There's a million that I can give you right now. What you're talking about are harmonics, which is an apologetic strategy to try to rationalize those contradictions away or ignore them for the sake of the broader message. But the broader message is still evil. Because at the end of the day, if God is all powerful, all knowing, can see everything, knows everything, past, present, and future, can do anything in the universe, then everything falls on him. The buck stops with him. You cannot blame anybody for anything evil ever. It always falls back to God. And that's what you're fundamentally missing, Rachel. You keep going back to this idea of God's right because he's big and strong and the Bible's true because I want it to be.

[00:34:38]And that's simply not how thinking works.

[00:34:41]>> No, I really need to we need to move on to the to another to another call. We have we have >> I'll give I'll give you the last word.

[00:34:47]I'll give you the last word, Rachel.

[00:34:48]We've interrupted you a lot.

[00:34:50]>> Oh, okay. I appreciate it. Thank you.

[00:34:52]Um, but no, I'm just thinking like if I created if I created something, right, and I told them, you don't kill nobody, but I killed them because I had a plan of what I needed them to do or who I needed I needed this person to affect this person somehow. Like, I mean, there's so many different reasons. And so, like, I feel like everybody >> if I create a child, I should be able to kill that child.

[00:35:16]>> I feel like it's closed. Like >> Rachel, I know said he would give you the last word, but like >> but like Rachel, if I create a child, then I should be able to kill that child >> per that logic.

[00:35:28]>> No, not a child. Not okay. Well, I guess >> exactly. There we go.

[00:35:32]>> I guess I don't feel like I mean, I don't know. Maybe I'm not good at explaining myself, but it's just I don't know. I don't see it as evil, but I do hope that I planted a seed in someone in the chat >> because they need to think for themselves, >> you know. I >> I think you have I I hope you think for yourself, Rachel. I hope you read your Bible and actually think about what it teaches. And at the end of the day, I think you have planted a seed in a lot of people in chat because you just represented Christianity as something so unbelievably unspeakably evil. We didn't even get to the parts of the Bible where it condones [ __ ] slavery. And you'd be fine with that, too, cuz God said it's so it's okay. So, like I know I did say I was going to give you the last word.

[00:36:10]>> Murder. I'm not any of that.

[00:36:12]>> God is God is God commands slavery several times in the Bible.

[00:36:16]>> I said I gave you the last word. I'm going to shut the [ __ ] up. Take care.

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