Quantum physics empirically proves that reality is dreamlike, meaning our observations participate in creating the universe rather than passively observing an objective world. This scientific validation aligns with ancient spiritual traditions that describe reality as a dream, suggesting that consciousness is fundamental to existence and that we have the power to influence our reality through our attention and perception.
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Tibetan Mystic HEALED Blind Woman in a PSYCH WARD — Quantum Physics PROVED Him Right! | Paul LevyAñadido:
Right now we're in the alchemical vessel of the human psyche. There is unbelievably intense psychic pressure.
Our species has fallen into such an intense time of darkness. And is that a harbinger of this incredible revelation that's going to emerge out of the darkness? I'm sitting in meditation and I get hit by a bolt of lightning. Not from the sky, but inside of my brain. It just ignited. I went into such an altered state. I had had a radical personality change. It couldn't have been made more clear to me that I was having a full-blown spiritual awakening.
We dreamed up into the world and into our minds quantum physics to help us to actually remember who we are. Quantum physics is a modernday analog to a term.
Quantum physics has proven that this is a dream.
>> What do you mean by that? That we're living in a dream. things began happening that were completely impossible and I don't ever talk about them but this is the one that my internal guide has given me permission to share.
>> So what do people do as they're navigating their way through these times?
>> That's the question. The real answer, the deep ultimate answer is, you know, I was just a normal, happy, healthy kid and I'm an only child and unbeknowings to me, um, my father was very sick. He he whatever I could say, I I actually wrote a book about what happened, a 600page book, cuz it wound up he was really um, you know, he was he was a criminal. he was a psychopath and I was the recipient being the only child when I began to individuate right when I was around in college um that I was the recipient of him you know acting out his abuse why don't we just say it that way without getting into details the story is not important at all the important point is that it in it created enormous suffering for me just incredible pain and it was all based on what I was trying to individuate and separate and become who I am and step out of his his version of who I was supposed to be. And um so I went from being a happy, healthy, very accomplished young person to overwhelmingly suffering and not being able to even live my life or take a step. I was just like stopped in my track at the enormity of the emotional, spiritual, psychological abuse. And so it forced me inwards. How I dealt with it was to go within my own mind. I began and you know this is in my early 20s going really deep inward.
>> Was that the first thing you reached for? Was going inwards the first thing you reached for or like Yeah. I mean was that intuitive to you? What what prompt like obviously you're going through a great deal but then you recoiled inwards. Was Yeah. Was that the was that in intuition led or >> we really appreciate the question and you know I first began trying cuz I was very smart academically. So I began trying to study what was happening and then I was you know starting therapy but the only thing that alleviated my suffering even the slightest was going inwards and assuming the position of the witness to what was happening. So I began doing that you know and I had a meditation teacher. I was doing vapasa insight meditation and I was doing that hours and hours and hours a day every day cuz it was the only thing that in any way was helping my suffering and um and I did that probably for a good couple of years. I would say average 4 hours a day of just sitting in in meditation >> cuz people are going to find out the Buddhism work speaks deeply to you as well. like Buddhism is >> absolutely well I was steeped I was right that was the beginning I mean I'm I'm a longtime Tibetan Buddhist practitioner but that was the beginning of really you know my entrance into the Buddha Dharma and so then one day I'm sitting in meditation and I get hit by a bolt of lightning not from the sky but inside of my brain it just ignited and I had no idea about condundalini or anything like that at this point I was 24 and within hours I went into such an altered state in which I mean to put it very simply I was beginning to wake up.
I was recognizing oh my god this is a collectively shared dream and we're all these dream characters in each other's dreams were not separate. I was you know and I was just ecstatic at what I was realizing but from my friend's point of view with me it was like I had had a radical personality change. So within that first 24 hours, I immediately got brought to a hospital and I got put into a mental hospital and I immediately got diagnosed as being manic, depressive, bipolar, which is, you know, I knew not for one second did I buy into the diagnosis.
And um, you know, but it was, it couldn't have been made more clear to me that I was having a full-blown spiritual awakening.
And um within the first you know I mean you know whatever minutes of the awakening or I should clarify as soon as I I got brought by ambulance to Highland Hospital Oakland California. This is May 1981.
And then I had an experience that changed my life. I got, you know, brought into the psychiatric hospital and um, you know, I get put into this lounge that all the patients were there.
They had just had dinner and I I'll just share the one cuz there were so many unbelievably, you know, impossible stories. Things began happening that were completely impossible that could only happen in a dream. and I don't ever talk about them, but this one I'm about to share, this is the one that my internal guide has given me permission to share publicly. So, I get brought into the hospital. I get put into the lounge with the psychiatric patients. I see a woman who's blind. Her eyes are totally dead, opaque. I don't even think about what to do. I just walked right up to her and it was like I was given a script and out of my mouth comes the words. All you have to do to see is open your eyes and look. And I keep on repeating those words. I get closer and closer to her. I'm looking at her eyes. Whole thing took not even a minute and she regains her sight. At that point, they take me and they strap me up on a table in another room or on a bed and I spent the night just strapped up to this bed. And you know, just to be clear, I didn't sleep at all. I was tripping out over what just happened with this blind woman. And um then the next morning they unstrapped me. They put me in a room, empty room with it.
I'm sitting at a table, you know, on a chair. And the only other person in the room is this ex-blind woman. And she's smiling at me, not saying a word, >> but just smiling, you know, and all of a sudden my heart chakra just blossoms.
And then I understand, oh, I get it. Her eyes were physically fine, but she had hysterical blindness, you know, sort of inwardly. She wasn't letting herself look. And somehow I sort of whatever psychically saw that and she was ready to heal her blindness. And I I was like the Uber driver who was in the area who got sent in to play the role and say my lines which were exactly what she needed to hear to heal her blindness. And I had that insight in that moment. And then she says to me the only word she ever said to me. She says, "Aren't you going to answer the phone call from?" And she mentions my father's name. And then within seconds, the nurse comes in the room and says, "Paul, your your father's on the phone." Cuz my parents had just gotten word I had had a psychotic break.
And um you know, so that was the start.
That was the initial experience. And I was in that hospital for 3 days. And my doctor impressed upon me that I needed to prove to him that I wasn't insane or he was going to keep me there for a long time. So, I thought about that and I'm like, well, you know, it's a really beautiful spring day. I don't want to stay here locked up. So, I just became completely normal cuz at that point I was in this completely expanded state.
And um and I began talking about my problems and my neurosis and my father and and he let me go. He says, "As soon as you had problems, as soon as you had problems, you were deemed you were deemed functional."
>> So, what happened? I get out and you know all of my friends at that point I was in the Bay Area. They were all like you know these normie mainstream consensus reality people who just thought oh Paul just had a psychotic break. But I want to point out when you have an experience like that you inside of your own mind know that something is happening. So I >> if you don't mind I wanted to double click on that. Pardon me, Paul, but I I I really wanted to double click on that because the next question that was opening up for me was how do you know >> um for the individual because there are more and more like where things are shifting at this present time. We'll get into that later in the episode, but more and more people are waking up to certain faculties, abilities. I mean, what do you I wanted to ask what was that thread in there that you were just describing?
How did you know that you were having a spiritual awakening and that you weren't losing your mind? In fact, >> oh, it it was it couldn't have been made more clear to me inside my own just my own subjective experience. It was like what it was like it was like being in a nightd dream and then having a lucid dream in the night dream and realizing, oh my god, I'm inside of my mind. I'm not out of my mind. I'm inside of my mind. All of this and all of these dream characters are actually embodied reflective aspects of parts of me. In other words, I had stepped out of the separate self and my heart was overflowing with compassion, with love.
It was such a a self-authorizing experience. There was not the slightest doubt that I was having this realization. But I was so I was 24 and I was so ecstatic and enthusiastic. the word enthusiastic and theos means to be filled with spirit, you know, I freaked people out. I I wasn't at all integrated to the point of understanding, oh, I'm in consensus reality and I, you know, I have to appear normal and not be too overly like joyful or ecstatic. And um yeah, so you know, I don't even know how else to answer that other than to say it couldn't have been more obvious. Okay.
From >> waking up from the dream. waking up from the dream.
>> Yeah. Waking up from the dream and waking up in the dream, you know, there were just two different perspectives of describing it. And to just to complete the story, so when I got out, I actually um got in touch with the doctor and we had lunch the next week and he said to me, he goes, "Yeah, the fact that you could just become normal just like that showed me that you weren't crazy." And I told him about about what happened with the blind woman and he got incredibly uncomfortable and like he couldn't talk about other patients type of thing. You know, that was interesting to me. But then what happened? I knew something was going on. So I knew I had to find somebody to talk to. And I found out there was a terrain, this Buddhist monk, Usul Anandanda was his name, living in San Francisco from Burma. I went to see him. This was days after getting out of the hospital when everybody thought I had gone crazy. And I told him what happened with the blind woman and he said to me, "Oh, you're in luck. The greatest Buddhist master of all of Burma, Tungpulu Seedar, the most venerable Tong Pulu Seedar." He was like in his 80s at that point. He had just arrived into the area and he wound up he he bought land for the first terrain monastery in the US that I should go and get his blessings. So I went and I didn't understand it somehow cuz he had all honor, you know, honorage of monks and he was very hard to see. They immediately brought me in and we made an incredible connection and his main disciple and translator, she was a Buddhist nun, you know, and we became incredibly close. She was one of my teachers for years. She told me years later, "When my guru met you, he said to me, he's not crazy. he's some he's having some form of awakening. And um so so I ke you know I made this incredible connection with this great master and I just kept on going back and back. He was living in at that point outside San Francisco to buy land for the monastery and um but during that next year and a half maybe three four other times I was thrown in hospitals because I was a free agent. I wasn't just in an ashram or in a monastery. I was like having this full-blown awakening and I wasn't integrated.
Um, all I needed it's so I knew it then was just support to just, you know, really assimilate what I was realizing.
>> Integrate, >> you know, just to integrate it. Exactly.
And so then, you know, the final hospitalization was ma was um September 1982. So the first one was in May 1981.
And and by that point, you know, I had been solidified as, oh, you're you're manic depressive or you're going to need to be on ill on medication the rest of your life. And I I you know, just what I want to point out, I you know, I'm in private practice now for 30some years.
>> Yeah, I was going to say the plot does thicken. You're you're a psychiatrist yourself.
>> I don't have any degree. The only certification I have is that I'm certifiably out of my mind.
But um you know but I have psychiatrists now who study with me and pay me my not really full circle but you know then my parents you know they bought into cuz in their world psychiatrists were authority figures who had wisdom and you know and all my friends from college they all bought into the diagnosis that oh Paul is mentally ill and in denial of his illness and blah blah blah. So you know it took me over a doz probably about a dozen years going to therapy after that. And I move I I had to get flown back to New York, you know, doing meditation, studying shamanism, alchemy, plant medicine, becoming a Tibetan Buddhist, studying young, connecting with my dreams, being a creative artist, everything and anything that I would follow that was helping me to integrate what I realized. And then I think it was 94 I had moved out to the west coast, back to the west coast. That's when I began teaching. So that's really the context out of which all of my books and my work have emerged. So I don't have an ordinary background really >> for for someone that's going through potentially something similar. Obviously it's you know uh but like you know at least experiencing um some form of I think I might be losing my mind or going out of my mind. I'm sure many people tuning into this podcast are having breakthroughs. maybe not to that degree but are having breakthroughs um but also finding it difficult to sort of orient themselves. What do you what would do you say to those people that are going through potentially an experience like the one that you had? Like what were some words of wisdom that you wish you had while you were going through it that could have supported you through that entire process as you were learning to integrate? Oh, I so appreciate the question and it makes me think, you know, the idea of creating a container like which is an alchemical term where like all I needed was, you know, just like in indigenous cultures when somebody all of a sudden begins to act kind of crazy. Indigenous cultures tend to to recognize, oh, they might be being called by the spirits, by the spirit of the unconscious to potentially be a shaman or a healer or a teacher. and they take care of them. You know, they make sure they don't get themselves in trouble. they support them cuz all that's needed in a process like this is just you know to be in a safe container so that you can in a very organic way metabolize and integrate and assimilate what's being shown to you because in essence I was having a revelation and it's it's 40 plus years later and I'm still integrating the revelation that was being shown to me and you know when it's all about that oh yeah this is a dream this isn't metaph forically like a dream. No, this is nothing other than a dream that all 8 billion of us humans and all other sentient species are co-dreaming into materialization together. And so I think a lot of people are tapping into that and then to really create that sort of support like I had no one in my life at that point who really saw what was happening to me.
everybody, my entire universe, they were all in agreement that I'm mentally ill and in denial of my illness. And I thought all of they everybody who was thinking that, I thought they were out of their minds. I thought they were totally insane. You know, it was just so obvious to me that I was, you know, awakening to the dreamlike nature. The other answer to your question, then I met my llamas, these Tibetan llamas, who I've, you know, very close with. They're like family. I've known them over 40 years. And when I first met them, I told them all of these stories, these paranormal impossible events like that just being a minor one. The the blind woman thing that, you know, cuz that's not physically impossible. That was highly improbable. It was an auspicious coincidence, but it still could potentially happen when I'm talking about stuff began happening in my life that was completely physically impossible. And I was sharing with them because I don't ever talk about it with you know a normal person and their reflection was and I think this is the answer to your question. They said Paul what you need is to develop more compassion and I thought that was the coolest answer. You know >> what wait what wait you unpack that a little bit?
>> Yeah yeah yeah sure. Well, you know, I think they saw I that I had tapped in to the true nature state and I had snapped out of the spell, but I just needed to integrate it and I needed and the idea in you know the like most important thing in all of Tibetan Buddhism is called bodhicitta which translates his holiness Dalai Lama calls it the good heart. It's the awakened heart and the deepest wound is our heart that we are we're hurt. We've been traumatized. We close our heart and they saw I was still in the process of, you know, of integrating and metabolizing the trauma and the wound.
And a major part of my experience was an encounter with evil. That's a whole other thing I'm happy to talk about.
Oh, I needed to really to open my heart, you know, fully and completely, you know, whether it be forgive my father or, you know, just really have my heart fully stabilized in an open blossom state of of love and compassion cuz that is the true nature is to really embody love and compassion. And I think they saw that I was in that process. So they were like, you know, supporting that.
>> It's really fascinating because we're sitting here at the nexus, it seems, in many ways of spirituality and depth psychology. Um, and we haven't even gotten into the quantum side of things just yet. I mean, this is but this is this is >> I'm going to kick myself if I don't ask myself this question.
the self. You said you've used the word realization quite a few times in the responses you've been giving so far.
There's obviously this concept of selfreization.
Um, and in it's quite a shimmery kind of concept in some ways because it can sort of the ego can latch on to it cuz the ego would like to realize itself a little bit as well. And then when you start to read some of the vdic texts there's like a self and it's realizing itself through you. It gets quite deep.
You can it's yeah something to contemplate. But when you were saying this realization that you had obviously your relationship with self is changing did you meet self like what does tell me about self if you don't mind.
>> Yeah. Yeah. No and I mean I just want to make clear I'm I'm not any enlightened person. I'm just an ordinary person. I'm in the I'm a work in progress like all of us you know. I'm really assimilating and all my friends know I'm you know dealing with my wounds and my trauma and my unhealed abuse. But, you know, I mean, it's a 247 process being a practitioner of really having all of like the obscurations actually be able to alchemically transmute them into medicine. So, you know, to answer your question about the self, it's just from my point of view, it's just having this recognition that we're already whole.
We're already awake. There's nothing wrong with us, you know?
and and we just have to really like in Buddhism they'll talk about the teacher introduces you to your nature and then you actually have the recognition of it and um for however little bit but then just like in a dream you can have a lucid dream and then it's easy to get absorbed back into the forms of the dream and forget. So more and more you stabilize that recognition of the self that's always there that's always available that's always pure that's your nature and you don't get distracted by like a beautiful image is like reflections in a mirror. We are the mirror but we see the reflections and we react to the reflections or we become conditioned by the reflections and we don't notice the mirror. The mirror is like our true nature. The mirror is always there. It's always available. And the reflections which seemingly obscure the silver surface of the mirror are actually revealing the mirror. The mirror being the true nature. So it's just a sense of becoming more and more familiar. The word meditation in Buddhist in Tibet Buddhism, it literally translates as becoming familiar. You get introduced to your nature and you become more and more familiar with that and to the point where you just abide in and as that. I mean, an example right now with this interview, I didn't prepare or memorize anything or get stressed out.
No, I've learned I can just be present and just be myself and just trust whatever, you know, is needing to come through me will come through.
It's um yeah, this this waking up from the dream, it almost sounds like a Um it's Yeah. And I want to know how then all of a sudden you start to get into quantum physics as well. Like why did quantum physics start to emerge into your >> Right. Right. Right. No, totally. And um so you know one way of describing what happened for me. I'm I'm assuming you're familiar with with the um Castanada books, the Carlos Castanada books.
you know, Don Juan, Carlos's teacher, talks about um the assemblage point and the assemblage point is the way we sort of configure our perceptions and how we see the world and then our behavior. And one way of describing what happened for me, my assemblage point got radically, you know, transformed and shifted to the point where I had been conditioned like all of us who grow up in this culture of what's possible and what's impossible.
All of a sudden, the realm of the possible just increased to practically infinite degree. And so instead of concretizing this you know this fluid world which is you know endlessly changing moment by moment instead of concretizing it into a solid form I I stopped doing that and I was just allowing this dreamlike universe to manifest in its dream like >> it must be quite a shift for your senses though like senses and sense perception like that must be >> well it's also very ordinary it's not it's nothing special you know but but the point is this is is that so I began having this experience where all of a sudden you know like incredible synchronicities would happen or magic would be happening or impossible things would be happening and then I came across quantum physics you know when I was younger and I began you know just a little bit oh reading you know these you know the famous quantum physics book like the >> do you remember which one was your first one that stood out to you do you remember the first one that might have stood out to you >> yeah well you know there was the capper number one U Dao of physics and then there was one by Gary Zukov and but you know they were helping me because they were describing this universe that I had fallen into but over the decades we're talking over 40 plus years as I more and more began studying quantum physics I began to recognize wait a second these quantum physicists they're mapping and describing the very universe I had fallen into because I in my book I point out that quantum physics physics has empirically proven of course that you know the majority of physicists aren't aware of this but I make the point the main point in my book is that quantum physics has proven empirically proven that this is a dream that this is nothing other than a dream and so when I found quantum physics I was like oh my god here is the scientific sort of you know whatever like the validation verification that of what I was experiencing it actually helped me to understand it with my mind. And as I went down more and more the quantum physics, you know, that rabbit hole, my mind just got more and more blown, you know, and um and that's how I wrote my book is trying to really transmit what what I was understanding, you know.
>> What do you what do you mean by that?
That we're living in a dream.
>> Yeah, exactly. I don't know how else to say it. that I'm not you see I I once got in a in a friendly argument this very eminent sort of translator a Tibetan translator um a number of years ago came to my house to meet me and um and we got into a friendly argument he was saying no the teachings of the Buddha they say this is this is sort of in a metaphorical way it's like a dream and I was saying no no no there's no metaphor about it this is a dream this is nothing other than a dream and in this Same way that in a night dream, if you don't recognize the nature of your circumstance, you're going to think the universe you're in, the dream world, that it's objective, that it's solid, that it's real, that it's separate from you. And if you see the dream that way being that a dream is a reflection of the mind, if you hold that viewpoint that the the world you're in is objective, then because it's reflecting your own mind, that dream you're in will give you all the evidence confirming your viewpoint. It'll manifest as if it's objective. And now you have proof that your point of view is correct. So you get even more fixed in your point of view that the world is objective. And the more you do that in the dream, the more the dream just gives you evidence.
And in item, it's a self-reinforcing feedback loop whose origin, it's in your own mind. That's the source of the experience. That's and that's the mind virus. I've written three books on there being a mind virus at the bottom of the insanity that's playing out in our world and the evil. That's the mind virus.
We've hypnotized ourselves by our own creative genius. That's what my work is about.
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There's um I mean I want to ask more about co-dreaming and quantum and what they have in common but just before just just before we dive there >> um you mentioned the word the source is your mind. Some people have an interesting relationship with source whereby they say God is source like when you say the source is your own mind.
What do you mean by source there and is that the same sort of correlation to source that people refer to as the light of the central consciousness itself touchwood? Yeah. And it's, you know, there's a problem with words and using language and like the whole semantic thing. What I'm talking >> Yeah. Right. Exactly. And what I'm talking about is tapping into the creative source of the universe, which we're all tapped into each and every moment, but almost all of us are tapped in unconsciously. We don't recognize that we are that. And so when you consciously tap into the creative source of the universe, that's kind of what I mean. When you're in a dream, in a night dream, the source of your experience is an expression of your own psyche that's dreaming it, right?
>> So the source of mind is connected to the source of source. Is am I making any sense?
>> Well, you know, I mean, in Buddhism, they in the in the heart sutra, form is emptiness, emptiness is form. You know, that whole idea that the forms of the dream are not separate. the actual manifest forms are not separate from the source. Form is emptiness, emptiness is form type of thing. So the idea is when you're in a nightd dream, you know, whatever the oh, I'm on planet earth and there are people and there's the war in Iran and all that that all of that are the forms of the dream that's not separate from the source of that experience which is your own mind. not mind with a c with a small m but with a capital m you know that's the that's the Buddha mind you know the creative source of the universe that's our nature I would love for another day if you'd be open to it for us to have a conversation about Tibet and just what Tibet's all about because just these people that have psychonautically dedicated themselves to exploring inner consciousnesses in space just as the west they've gone out and explored you know interstellar and tried to explore more you know get out to Saturn get out to you know through propulsion externally. I mean the Tibetan culture like diving inwards that to these >> that that really is is you know having to do with quantum physics because um you know in Tibetan Buddhism I don't know if you know they have this phenomena called the hidden treasure.
>> I was going to ask you about it. What is a terma please? Yeah.
>> Right. A terma is the word for the hidden treasure. And you know this isn't like so so the idea is is that certain traditions they keep they refresh themselves they keep themselves new by all of a sudden there'll be a treasure that will be discovered and these spiritual treasures they're conceived of as being hidden in the multi-dimensional fabric of the universe you know in the earth in oceans in the sky and in disciples minds and all of a sudden when say a community gets one-sided and stale in their practice one of these spiritual treasures will be discovered and it's very much like we have a dream well the dream the source of a dream is the unconscious and the unconscious is compensatory when we become one-sided in one way the unconscious will show us the other side to get us back into balance so that we connect with who we are in the same way when you know as practitioners when we fall asleep and become unconscious this universe is like the unconscious in that it will compensate and bring us back into balance via the medium of terma of these hidden treasures and and now keep in mind this isn't a fairy tale scholars some of the world's greatest scholars study this tradition right now on point so what a terma is it's it's like an alarm that like an alarm clock that goes off right when we need to wake up. It's a key that opens a lock. It's a charm >> but generally some but generally some like some suffering or some pressure is created before the gift is reveals itself. Is that there in the part of the narrative or not really? That's arctypical that typically in a time of deep suffering and think about right now we're in the alchemical vessel of the human psyche there is unbelievably intense psychic pressure and if we're able to hold that pressure without splitting off and you know falling unconscious but if we're able with consciousness in a way to hold that creative tension of the opposites out of that this is you know uh in His work young talks about the transcendent function. Out of that comes grace. The transcendent function some sort of solution that we as a conscious ego couldn't have thought of by ourselves.
That's a way of understanding terma. Now why I bring up terma is that I'm bringing out in my work that quantum physics is a modernday analog to a terma to a hidden treasure. We as a species have become one-sidedly entranced by the scientific materialist worldview and we've we've forgotten who we are. And so then we dreamed up into the world and into our minds quantum physics to help us to actually remember who we are.
Okay. So that's just a real simple thumbnail sketch of the idea of TMA. Um an example of tama is the Tibetan book of the dead. The Tibetan book of the dead. It was authored by Padma Sambava who was the founder of Tibetan Buddhism.
And but then it was discovered centuries later. And if you get like this authentic version of the Tibetan book of the dead, it'll say author Padma Sbaba and then it'll say discoverer and it'll be somebody who lived centuries later.
That's the idea of the terma. And they say when you come across a terma, if you're not the person who's supposed to discover it, it will become invisible.
You won't you won't see it. You won't find it. You know, it's it's it has to be at exactly the right moment in time all the it has to be auspicious coincidence of all the factors that are arising for the terma to enter our world. But here's the thing. Say if all of a sudden if somebody discovers a terma, a hidden treasure, it could be in the like an object or a teaching or a prayer or a practice to do the person who discovers it. No, they just can't share it. Now the thing about t they're meant to be shared, right? But they can't share it until they do the practice and have the realization from the tama. Then when they've integrated the realization and embody the realization, then they become empowered to offer and to share the terma with other people.
>> And you believe quantum physics is a termer. You've gone as far as saying there was a radical shift when capernicus put the sun at the center of the universe which gave us the heliocentric model. And we all know how that went for him. Um, and you're saying quantum physics puts the light of consciousness at the center of the universe. That's >> right. That's another way of saying this is a dream, you know. Exactly. Because if I could just give like, you know, like a a twominute sketch of the profoundity of quantum physics in a nutshell.
>> Take three, take four.
>> Space is yours.
>> Quantum physics came into this world.
physicists, you know, in classical physics, physicists thought the world existed objectively separate from them and they were just studying it as passive witnesses trying to understand how this world worked. Quantum physics comes along and it proved empirically proved countless times that the idea of an objective world is just that just an idea has no corate in actual reality whatsoever. And even more than that, that the act of us observing this universe is part of the universe and our observation of the universe actually influences the very universe we're observing.
>> I picked up from studying you. Sorry.
Sorry. But this will help. The ethmology of observe is linked to birth. Can you just can you just insert that there?
Sorry.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The etmology, I'm really interested in the etmology of words. And the etmology of observing has to do with being pregnant and giving birth to something. In other words, the idea is is that our observing the universe isn't a passive act. It's an it's a creative act. Okay? So the idea is when we're influencing the universe that we're observing by the act of observing it, that's a description precisely of a dream. Think about it.
When you're in a dream, the way you're observing the dream is giving birth to the way the dream manifests instantaneously.
Okay? You know, think about what a dream is. A dream is an ink blot. If I hold up an ink blot and ask you, "What do you see in the ink blot?" It's not like one moment you like, oh, I'm going to like um, you know, think there's a butterfly and two minutes, two moments later the butterfly appears. No, the very moment you view the butterfly in the ink plot, the butterfly appears. It's instantaneous. And because of that, of how instantaneous it is, we become entranced thinking that that butterfly because think about what a dream is.
It's an ink blot. So whatever we're projecting as a matter of fact there's a terma in Tibetan Buddhism that I centralized into four words as viewed so appears and that's an actual terma as you view something that's the way it appears. But because of our creative genius for observing and giving birth to our experience we then entrance ourselves thinking that what we're experiencing is separate from us. We then react to it, become conditioned by it, and that's samsara. Then we're in the infinite feedback loop, you know, that just goes on until we wake up.
>> Why would Why would we perpetuate limitations upon ourselves?
>> Yeah. Well, that's a really good question. And I'm not sure that I can answer that, but it's like we're performing this black magic on ourselves, you know. And I would say even the answer to your question is each one of us have this unimaginably vast creative agency and power. But to the extent that we're not aware of it, we will use it unconsciously in a way that is destroying ourselves. And that's, you know, a description of an individual.
When you get 8 billion individuals and the majority of them are asleep to their creative genius, they're going to be dreaming up a world just like we see where we're destroying ourselves.
>> Okay, I guess it's time for us to learn more about the mind virus and how you describe it. You use the word, it begins with W.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I've written three books on there being a mind virus and the indigenous people call it the the Watiko mind virus and there are a lot of different names. Every spiritual tradition throughout history has been pointing at Watiko. I mean it's in the apocryphal text and you know got edited out of the actual Bible cuz I point out that Watiko was on the editorial board.
You see it can't stand to be exposed cuz when you see it you take away its power.
That's why I've written three books about it trying to shed light on this mind virus. It's at the bottom of the collective insanity that we're playing out and the evil that we're playing out.
And that's a no-brainer. I mean, the question where, you know, could the source of our collective madness be found other than within our psyche?
That's all that the idea of a mind virus means. And this mind virus, so in in the apocryphal text, they call it the counterfeiting spirit. that's the name for it and it has no creativity at all but it plugs in to our unconscious creativity and turns it against us and that's why you know one way I describe the antidote for the mind virus is for each and every one of us to connect with our creative nature when we are >> sovereignty sovereignty is going to be a really interesting point here like how does one find their sovereignty in amongst a situation like this >> yeah yeah yeah exactly And on the one hand we're interdependent and interconnected and there's no separate self and each one of us are a sovereign being. You see now a very simple way of understanding this mind virus which will tap back into the sovereignty. Think about we're we're all whole and incarnating into this world we get traumatized. Something happens and what is trauma? It's an overwhelming experience that we can't integrate in our typical way. So we split and the word split has a double meaning. It means to leave and also to disassociate.
So we get traumatized. It's overwhelming. We split. If we don't integrate that split off part of our psyche of our wholeness, it develops a seemingly independent autonomous life and will of its own. And it could actually manifest as adversarial and it will manifest as antagonistic to us like it will and you know and in psychology speak this is called an autonomous complex. The indigenous people call this demon. Okay. So a demon in indigenous speak is exactly what psychologists call autonomous complexes and and that's what okay. So the idea is when we connect with our nature, yeah, we're interconnected, interdependent, there's no separate self. And we can have the conscious the the realization that we are sovereign beings who get to choose what we and where we place our attention on and what we do.
>> Some part of you is also calling our attention to the Wo. So like how do you navigate attention in a place like this?
cuz obviously what your attention is completely formative and generative to your point quantum physics but then also we need to be mindful of the wo does that not sort of perpetuate the waker but you said also ignorance of it is what helps perpetuate it it's pretty trippy is it not >> yeah it's super trippy because here's the thing you know >> how you yeah yeah no I I just love your questions because if somebody says oh no I don't want to because what the thing about watiko it's the source like I've been saying of all the collective insanity of all the evil that's playing out in the world and if somebody says oh like I you know I know people who are all love and light oh no I don't want to focus my attention on anything dark I don't want to put my attention on what on the mind virus on evil and I point out well by doing that you're feeding it you know because you're you're investing it with a reality because you're actively turning a blind eye and that turning a blind eye is watiko so you're making it real by consciously of of you know turning and and and really being an avoidance of looking at it. So that feeds it. If you become too fascinated with what that feeds it too but there's a third option. The third option as a sovereign being I get to choose where I place my attention. when I see how Watiko works via its non-local connections to the world because Watiko is an inner psychosspiritual disease of the soul that has a magical ability to somehow configure events in the outer world so as to express itself. When you see that and when you see it also works via our unconscious reactions. Okay.
When you see what then you realize, oh, now I see you. Now I don't need to focus on you. Now I can focus on creating the world I want to live in. By doing that, that's kryptonite to Watika.
>> How sacred is choice?
>> Oh, well that's one of the things I point out in the quantum physics book.
Um, you know, I think there's that famous saying, Decart, I think, therefore I am. And I point out from the quantum point of view, you would say, I choose, therefore I am. that we are these incredibly powerful beings, you know, and we are making each and every moment we have a choice of what we pay attention to, you know, and and then you know, but to the extent we're not aware of that, then you know that because it's wielded unconsciously, it comes back in a destructive way. So yeah, we the idea of choice is a major part of really what quantum physics is pointing out. Like an example when a quantum physicist creates an experiment, you know, how they set up the experiment, how they choose to set it up, how they choose to interpret the data, the questions they choose to ask determines the answer they get back.
It's all based on choice, you know.
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Touchwood, it'll be my absolute honor and pleasure to support you with that awareness at this time. If you feel the call, do we get you to explain the double split experiment? Should we do it? Should we do it just quickly?
We could do we could do a whole podcast on just that. I'm aware. Um I think it's worth an honorable mention. I mean, it's the first time you're here. It'd be such a grace for us to receive.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, for sure. And in in my book, I have there's a great chapter on the double slit experiment.
>> Highly recommend.
>> All of them.
>> All of quantum physics is holographically encoded in the double slit experiment. And um I think one there was one magazine that called it the most you know incredible like the most beautiful experiment ever in all of history. And in essence you know this was the experiment where they they were trying to understand okay what is the nature of light and light it you know it's made it's composed of photons and they realized that sometimes light would manifest you know very simply put as a particle and other times as a wave. Now keep in mind a particle and a wave you could not even conceive of more you know exclusive contradictory states than a particle and a wave right and they realized that it was a function of how they observed the experiment that in other words the way they set up the experiment and the way they interpreted the data the questions they asked the way they observed the light actually determined on how the light manifested.
This was the experiment where consciousness all of a sudden entered the physics lab. Now, and keep in mind, your typical physicist, your typical academically trained, corporatized physicist did not sign up for this. They had no idea what to do.
>> My first my first introduction to the quantum I was studying my engineering degree and I remember seeing this quantum science magazine and on the cover of it it said if everyone closes their eyes at the same time does the universe exist?
>> Right. Yeah. Yeah. No reading this magazine cover of all the things and just going wait what was that? like you know you have these little little clues along the way. It's >> that's just like you were talking about like with with uh the coan a zen coan you know the way they would you know oh like if a tree falls in the forest and there's no one there to hear it will it make a sound type of thing and you know just staying with that that thing you were saying if everybody closed their eyes at the same time would the actual physical universe still exist? Well, one of the things that quantum physics has shown has proven like for example, you know, I'm in Portland, Oregon, and you know, it can it can rain a lot here and oh, there's this rainbow, right? Well, what is the nature of a rainbow? You know, there are three factors. There's water, there's light, and there's a mind. And when those three factors come together, we experience a rainbow, an image of a rainbow inside of our mind.
But there's no objective rainbow out there.
That's completely an illusion. We are having the image of a rainbow inside of our own psyche. Right? Quantum physics is saying this physical universe is of the nature of like that rainbow that when we look out, oh, there's this this grass, this green grass grass. There's no objective green color that adheres in the grass. When we experience the greenness of that grass, that's it's called qualia. That's the name for it.
We are experiencing subjectively this quality of greenness inside of our mind.
But then we imputed thinking it inheres out there in the separate object. Well, quantum physics is saying there is no separate object. There's no objective universe. There's nothing out there.
There's not even things that are interacting in a quantum universe. And by the way, this universe has been proven to be quantum on every scale, both micro and macro. In a quantum universe, there's no separate things interacting. It's all one seamlessly interconnected quantum whole system.
>> Who is a mystic in the quantum universe?
>> Who who is a mystic?
>> Yeah. Who's a mystic in the quantum universe?
>> All were all these mystics in training, you know, >> cuz your entire book on quantum consciousness ends in Merlin. Just to sort of make it really trippy for people. Um, yeah. You end in Merlin.
>> Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, to the point we've been programmed and conditioned to forget our natural sort of mystical nature. Like this universe we're in is a total mystery like WTF.
Like what is this? Like who are we? You know, so the idea of really when you begin to awaken to the dreamlike nature, you know, it's impossible to do that and not to like awaken our our inherent sort of this mystical consciousness that is who we are, you know. And um yeah, I don't know of any anybody who's had any form of spiritual awakening or understanding quantum physics who's not a, you know, who's not a mystic.
Why was Young in your opinion so interested in dreams?
>> Yeah. Okay. Well, the thing to realize about Young, you know, I have a new book on Young coming out in about a year and he's been my main man. Like when I had my whole awakening and then got hospitalized and diagnosed and got out of the last hospital, I was in deep deep trouble, you know, because then I had the abuse from my father and then the abuse from psychiatry and and then I found Young and Young saved my life and he had the realization that, you know, oh yeah, these these dreams, this is pure nature, you know, and we as an ego aren't creating our dreams. dreams. They're being given to us and they're actually helping us to integrate and to heal and to awaken if we get into alignment with what they're showing us. So for me, I wasn't really connected with my dreams, you know, as a kid, little kid, I was, but then just as a normal once I became old enough, I I wasn't connected. But typically when we are incredibly suffering, that's when all of a sudden, you know, because the unconscious is compensatory, the unconscious will become activated and send us dreams. And that's what happened for me. Night after night, you know, after getting out of that last hospital, I began having the most amazing mythic dreams, archetypal dreams, these lucid dreams, these pre-cognitive dreams. And I had no idea what to do. So I began studying them and you know I mean thousands and thousands and thousands and to the point that's where I really you know connected with young because he was saying that that dreams you know are really in a sense that's one of the ways that you know our spiritual nature is actually connecting with us. And his whole thing was, you know, what he was after in the entire body of work that he created and the type of therapy he he developed was to connect his patients so that they would develop relationship with their unconscious via their dreams and via their intuition. He realized that inside of our unconscious that our unconscious was as if it was this being like a living being who knew who knows stuff that we don't know and can guide us and can teach us. So his whole thing was trying to help people to develop an intimate relationship between the conscious and the unconscious so that they more and more in a like getting into an intimate relationship they became more and more one and that was his idea of individuation of really integrating the unconscious and you know one of the main if not the main expressions of the unconscious is via our dreams.
Some people in the dream that you invite us to wake up from are working so hard they barely get enough sleep that they don't actually even get the time to dream. Um is that does that speak to some part of the mind virus or something in there? Like what's going on there?
Like we are more and more disconnected from our dreamlike state and nature just given the function of 21st century living at the moment.
>> Yeah. Well, the the the world we live in right now is so over the top. Everybody I speak to is overwhelmed, you know, and one way I would say it, you know, is that there is an incredible like this this this emergence of evil is, you know, come out from hiding or from the shadows. And it's a it's a great player on the world stage right now. And when you study the work of of Young again and this is one of the reasons why I was so attracted to him because my awakening you know got consolated by a direct unmediated encounter not with personal evil but with archetypal evil and um so you know this world is overrun with evil right now. And what I'm pointing and so a lot of people, you know, are just, you know, they're so it's they're they're overwhelmed, they dissociate, they numb out, you know, they they distract themselves, you know, and I understand that. But what I'm pointing out in my work is that there's a way of really you know holding oneself and being in touch with oneself when one is encountering evil that the evil can actually help and even more amplify or awakening. There's a beautiful quote of Young where he actually says and this was right after World War II. He says certain reflective minds and this is a quote become enriched by an encounter with evil.
Okay. So evil by definition >> is that a transcendent function is that a transcendent function? Well, but it can be it can be if we develop the strength and the courage because going back to Young, he talks about holding the creative tension of the opposites and he was the one who taught me to see Christ as a symbol. And he again and again was pointing out the importance of seeing Christ symbolically. And he pointed out that Christ on the cross is a symbol.
Now think about what a symbol is. A symbol is different than a sign. A sign like one way do not enter. That's a sign. Has a literal meaning. A symbol combines opposites. Okay? Think about Christ. Christ is fully God and fully human which are totally contradictory opposites in the same being. And it was young who taught me that the symbol of Christ on the cross is a symbol that we have dreamed up into our world and into our minds that symbolizes consciously holding that tension of the opposites and not splitting. And by him doing that, that was the doorway to the resurrection. Of course, there were the three days in between where Christ had to descend into the underworld. And I'm pointing out in my work that we all are in the underworld right now. we are making a shamanic descent into the underworld that the major archetype that's activated in the collective unconscious of our species is the shamanic archetype, you know, and um yeah, I could just go on and on about that, but >> I think alchemy I think alchemy rears its head really deeply. I mean cuz cuz we're back to that discretion conversation cuz your attention is the light of so much choice and power as you've been describing but then once again there's these forces at play and like you said and then it's like how much how do you modulate your attention once again because obviously you don't want to bury your head in the sand.
Yeah. But at the same time you don't want to get sucked in like this. I mean we can't talk enough about uh discernment it seems uh throughout this podcast as well through this work. Well, one of the things that what Tiko the mind virus does, it disables our ability to discern, you know. So, like alchemy, it was young who completely blew my mind about alchemy because he was the one who had realized that the ancient alchemist who the conventional understanding was that oh, they were just kind of esoteric, crazy, you know, weird people.
No, he realized that all the alchemical stages were expressions of the individuation process of the process of becoming whole. And in alchemy, you know, the most important thing is finding the prima materia, the raw stuff, the chaos, the rejected, despised, the that we typically want to have nothing to do with in the personality that the alchemist realized.
No, that's the manure out of which he make the gold. If you don't find the pre-memoria, there's no way of make and the gold is the enlightened mind. And and alchemy is very related to the whole shamanic trip because I point out in my work, we're all shamans in training cuz who is a shaman? A shaman is the wounded healer. Who is a shaman? It's the creative artist. It's the dreamer. It's the storyteller. Okay? And we all are.
So the idea of the shamanic archetype it gets consolated by a wounding by a trauma where we split. Remember I was talking about what Tiko can develop if we don't integrate that split off part of ourselves. So when we get traumatized we split over time that eventuates in a part of us going in search of the part of us that split off. That's the shamanic journey. And the idea is when we get traumatized, that traumatized part, it it's back in time. It's locked back in the amber of time. It stopped growing while the rest of us continues to evolve and mature. But then there's this part of us, whether it's when we were five or whenever that's locked back in trauma. And but because of that trauma, then that consolates us going back. So the to the point where we remember, we bring our members, the parts of us that have been disassociated due to trauma, we bring them back into our wholeness. And that's the whole shamanic trip. But it always involves a descent into the underworld, into the unconscious, into the darkness. That's what we are doing as a species. That's why I say the major archetype that's activated in the collective unconscious is the shamanic archetype.
I've always wanted to ask this question, so pardon me for bringing it here. This has been a while in the works. Didn't realize it belonged here.
um remembering and wholeness.
If something's in like when you start to realize it that previously in the podcast you said everything's whole like you come to this realization that's everything's whole as it is and it was almost like there's an like an inverse awareness or something there. But when you're talking about remembering it implies healing in some ways, right? Like things coming together but then you're already whole.
But then there's something to heal like like it's it's so confusing.
>> That's in quantum physics they'll talk about having a particular type of this logic that's called four valued logic.
You know where in the west we we've been entranced by two value logic. Things are either true or false. But in quantum physics and in Buddhism too and in dreaming there's what's called four valued logic where things can be you know is a true or b true even though they're they're contradictory and and mutually exclusive they can both be true even though they contradict each other.
So on the one hand for example people think of a singularity as oh there's no multiplicity there's no form. No that's not a singularity. A singularity is all embracing which means it embraces the multiplicity. So everything is one and at the same time everything is multiple and both are true and that that requires a higher a more expanded consciousness to understand that.
>> Wow. And do you think it's understandable for the human mind to move into more and more of these spaces?
Do you think human beings are evolving into deeper levels of awareness around this?
>> Yeah. No, I think it is. I think we are but not in our normal intellectual you know cognitive mind that's been entranced and conditioned and programmed to think in this like dualistic way >> logic.
>> Yeah. Yeah. No and and so but I think it's actually intrinsic to our nature and I feel more and more people are evolving and connecting with this higher you know this level of logic it's called fourvalued logic and um you know in Tibetan Buddhism it's like the whole foundation of Tibetan Buddhism is four valued logic and you know in you know in the work of young talks about it it's all throughout quantum physics you know we've been entranced by the scientific material less point of view which is like the either or universe and the way of thinking of four valid logic it's it's the both and universe okay >> wow I um thank you so much for such a thorough response trippy question are transcendent functions quantified using that word intentionally divine grace what are your thoughts on that >> yeah well okay I mean the transcendent function is a phrase that that that Young uses. An equivalent term is also the reconciling symbol, you know, and it emerges out of consciously holding the tension of the opposites. And you can totally think of it as a form of grace because it's something that we as an ego, you know, weren't able to create or figure out on our own, you know, via the intellect or the conscious mind. Yeah.
And the thing that that I one of the things about Young I love so much, he talks about that the unconscious has this diabolical way of creating of putting us in a double bind no win like a Zen colon situation. There's no way out. What do we do? And often times it's exactly at those situations where we have a revelation. And he's pointing out just like in an individual when there's time of intense darkness in an individual person's process that's where they can have a revelation. He openly asked the question is that what's happening in our world right now? The fact that our species has fallen into such an intense time of darkness and is that a harbinger of this incredible revelation that's going to emerge out of the darkness?
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How does one um actually believe a different belief?
>> I mean, if we're split in two, we can try to fool ourselves. But you know for me I guess the way I would understand this is I think about like with the Bible and maybe I think a good way of saying it in the Old Testament you know I forget like you know like for the whole belief was based on you know sort of law or then then the newer testament it was based on faith but now in modern times the modern dispensation is based on experience.
So if I don't have an experience of something, you know, then I could believe it all I want, but that there's that's going to consolate a secret doubt. So I would say you know like for me I think of myself you know I went through this completely out of the ordinary experience and everybody all of my friends this is in the early '8s like when I was describing my first hospitalization they were all saying oh no no no you're crazy and all the authorities say you're crazy and I knew it didn't not for one nancond did I buy into other people's like what They were telling me because I had my own experience and I trusted my own experience and there was >> But you're also saying But are you also saying those that believe in God inherently have some doubt in God? Is that what you've also said as well?
>> Well, no, but I'm saying if somebody is I mean if it's true belief, great. But how do you do that? I have no idea. I would say that's based on experience.
But if somebody's trying to believe, you know, without really it based empirically on, you know, their own experience, then absolutely there's going to be a hidden doubt. How can there not be, you know, cuz they don't have experience?
>> We're we're kind of back there if that's okay, Paul. Like, so we're talking about experience and there does seem to be how much of like the individual that's listening to this podcast is sitted on a hard seated chair. They're sitting on a chair that's really robust and the invitation is actually there's a lot more going on to the experience that you're having in many ways beyond the five senses that you're used to. Um, am I right? Am I wrong? What am I saying here? What am I leaving out?
>> Yeah. Well, no. I mean, my what, you know, I'm not fully sure what you're saying except it makes me think that Yeah. We've entranced ourselves into thinking that we are this these limited small beings. And as soon as we assume that viewpoint based on our conditioning and programming, we then being like a dream, we will dream up all the evidence confirming our point of view which proves to us the truth of our perspective that we are small and limited and only existing in our body and all that. And you know, and that's the the creative genius that we all have being turned against us to hypnotize ourselves and entrance ourselves. And um yeah, there's something you see what I'm one of the things that I'm pointing out is that whatever is playing out in the world, you know, think about the body politic of the world and the insanity and the evil and the war in Ukraine and the war with Iran and you know, just on and on and on. I'm saying, yeah, that's just like, yeah, that's on one level that's real, but all of those are just roles that are playing out on the world stage that are expressions of a higher dimension. Okay? And and you could say, oh, that's a spiritual dimension. You could say, oh, that's a dimension whose origin is the collective unconscious of our species. But the idea is not to get entranced by the superficial display of what's happening. You know, yeah, you you have to deal with it and and look at it and see it, but not get entranced by it thinking that that's the only reality, but it's like there's a deeper archetypal sort of mythic pattern that's revealing itself. This world moment by moment is a revelation. That's what I'm pointing at. Do individuals need to integrate some of that, Paul? Do individuals need to integrate some of that themselves like when they're seeing the world?
>> Totally. Totally. Well, that's one of the things when I wrote my book on Young and I've been studying Young for 45 years. And one of the things that I really understood in the writing of the book was that oh my god, he was really switched on to the power to change our world. It lies in each individual. So any one of us whether you call it integrating our shadow seeing watito you know connect >> sorry for interrupting here but there's there's this really beautiful Buddhist practice of um tong len I mean when you tune into a guided meditation you know normally help like you know you tune into something on YouTube and it'll be all insight timer you tune into something it's like breathe in positivity let go of your stress breathe in the light let go of anything that you're holding on to you know so it was like in good. Let it let out the bad.
And in Tong Len, it's a deep meditation on self-acceptance. And it takes you into this place goes, "Ready? Breathe in all the suffering of the world.
Exhale the light." And it's like, "What?
Wait, what are you doing here?" It's like it completely inverts what you think about head and tails. And these >> is one of the major practices I do every day. And that's the idea, you know?
Well, I mean, when you do that, I mean, think about it. What you just described is like when I do tongen practice every day, I'm like, okay, I'm like I'm suffering. I'm in pain. Is there a part of me that would willingly experience my pain and suffering that I'm experiencing anyway, but I'm kicking and screaming?
Is there a part of me that would willingly, voluntarily choose to experience that if no one else would ever have to experience that? And then I realized, oh yeah, there's one little part of me that would do that. It's the bodhic satta part of me that would wouldingly volunteer to experience the pain and suffering that I'm experiencing anyway, but I'm fighting it. But yeah, let me welcome it. Let me embrace it.
And by doing that and so taking in the suffering and then exhaling all of my happiness. So think about it. I'm I'm giving away what I normally hold on to and I'm taking into myself what I normally push out against. By doing that, you're cutting the duality of self and other. Cuz you would only do that if you had the recognition that other people are not separate. And that's the realized state.
>> Wow. You just blew my mind.
Thank you for taking us there. The participatory universe. I mean, you can't leave today without talking to us about the fact that this is a participatory unifor universe. And maybe there is a slight segue here.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, totally. Well, that that's the idea that quantum physics has discovered. There's no objective objective universe at all, but we via our participation, via our perceptions, our observations are actually part of the creation of the universe. And um when you realize that you realize yeah you can't play the victim you know and that via each and every moment via the act of interpreting our experience and placing meaning on our experience we are actually creating our experience of ourselves and of the world. There's no one else doing that to us. We are doing that and that's an incredibly empowering insight. But it also involves a great responsibility because we can't blame anyone else you know and I mean yeah that's one of the real tenants of quantum physics is that this is a participatory universe.
It's a it's an awe of the time to be able to see just with how much grace and efficacy we can understand a coherent conversation from you around depth psychology, Tibetan and quantum physics like all these three things aligning so deeply cuz one lives kind of you know in the average person's mind in neuroscience and another one's over in mysticism and you know so on so for one's hard science but to see these fields which seem so disperate as one big coherent hole I mean speaks deeply already to potentially there is a shift consciousness is happening at this time like isn't there?
>> Yeah. Well, well no totally and it makes me go back to the watikico mind virus because watiko it works through the projective tendencies of the mind. So you know people who are really taken over and we all potentially have what you call it exists in you know the collective unconscious in potential I mean just think about it who among us hasn't fallen asleep at a given moment and acted out our unconscious but one you know major characteristic of when somebody's taken over by watiko they actually accuse other people of doing what they themselves are doing in other words it's total projection another way of describing this mind virus and how come I'm pointing this in in answer to your question is that see Watiko it's a form of blindness of psychic blindness but it's a blindness that doesn't know that it's blind okay now go back to that blind woman that experience I shared with the blind woman I've been tripping out on that for 40 plus years and I realized at a certain point wow there was healing that was thirsting to have happen in that moment she was ready to heal and all I didn't I'm not like any healer who oh I did this thing and healed her blindness no I was just open to the healing that wanted to happen in the moment in the universe and I just was given my role and given my lines and said what I said and I realized that's really interesting because at each and every moment this universe is thirsting to heal to get more coherent and more integrated with itself and interestingly the the word evil the real for me uh essential way of describing what it means is it's disintegrating. So when we heal evil, we integrate. And so for any of us just wanting to be in service to the whole instead of having this narcissistic fixation on our own self, but to just wanting to just be in service to the field, then we allow ourselves to get dreamed up to have whatever come through us come through us that can actually be of benefit to the world. So, watiko is a form of blindness, but it doesn't know it's blind. And it it it can't stand when people see it because when you see how watiko works, you take away its power. It has no power over you. That's why it'll do everything and anything. As we get close to our nature, to our light, to our love, to our creativity.
You know, I see this in myself. Whenever I get really close to my nature, there are these like seemingly negative forces that get conjured up, whether in my mind or out in the world that are trying to stop me. And but I've learned to understand, oh, that's the best news ever. That's showing I'm on the right path instead of like, oh, I have a real problem and I'm resisting and I'm stuck and I'm blocked. No. The fact that there are darker energies that are trying to stop someone from connecting with themselves, that's an indication that you're you're getting close to the light and you could you should continue.
You believe in parallel universes.
Tell us about that.
>> Yeah. Well, I mean I think of quantum physics. Quantum physics saying this universe itself is like a parallel universe where it's pulsating in and out of the void every nancond refreshing itself a new. So we think that oh I'm looking out my window right now that this universe I'm seeing is the same universe that it was a second ago. And quantum physics says well it simulates itself. It looks the same. It looks like there's a continuity but it's actually you know renewing itself each and every moment and um you know if I can even do a deep dive on what that means because it's so profound. You see quantum physics was trying to find what what are the building blocks of this universe?
What is the micro structure? And um the more down in scale they went to try to find the building blocks in this universe, they didn't find anything having to do with matter, they found mind. So they came up with this idea of elementary particles, you know, which are the building blocks of the physical world. And an elementary particle, it exists in every and any state it ever could possibly exist in at each and every moment up until the moment we observe it. And then the moment we observe that elementary particle, one of those potentialities manifests and all the others vaporize back into the void.
And then the next moment the same thing.
What that means is mind-blowing cuz what that means is that even if one of those quantum potentialities, one of those parallel universes, one of those timelines is ridiculously and highly unlikely, it could manifest this very next moment.
What that means is that the possibility of our species sufficient numbers of us waking up in time and actually awakening so that we avert creating these myriad catastrophes.
Quantum physics is saying that is completely and utterly within the realm of the possible. So you see, one of the dangers in this world is for people to fall into despair and pessimism and depression and feel, oh, we're going to hell in a hand basket or things were doomed. Things look totally dark. No. If we do that, then we're part of the problem. You know, when you really connect with with this nosis that is quantum physics, you you have the realization, oh my god, there's incredible each and every moment.
There's these parallel universes.
there's these different timelines that there is incredible potentialities for us to actually awaken. And the same way just like with the alleged co virus was supposedly contagious. Well, when any one of us awakens to a sufficient degree, that person becomes contagious and that realization can go viral.
So, what do people do as they're navigating their way through these times? Um, >> yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's a that's the question.
>> You know, I mean, yeah. What >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What I I mean, the thing that fell in my head right as you were asking that cuz that's that is the question and part of the spell. It really is like we're living in a fairy tale and we're under a spell, you know, and to the extent that that any of us we wake up from the spell, the question is, oh, how do we help other people wake up from the spell, you know, and but the problem is they don't even know they're under a spell. Um, but the the thought that fell in my head as you asked that question is get creative. Okay? because we you know the the real answer the deep ultimate answer is to remember who you are to realize your true nature but that's a total cliche what does that even mean and I point out our true nature by its nature is creative so when we have realization of our nature we embody and express ourselves creatively and the more we do that the deepen we realize our nature in a posit positive feedback loop that creates light upon light in a world of darkness.
The idea being our nature, we are creative beings, you know, made in the image of our creator. And if I am not expressing myself creatively, cuz remember the greatest poison in the human psyche is repressed and unexpressed creativity. If I'm not expressing myself creatively, if I'm not connecting with my creative power and agency, then we could talk in terms of the what mind virus will then plug in to my own unconscious creativity and turn it against us, you know. So that's why and and when I say being creative, yeah, I don't I you know, it's great painting or drawing or dancing or writing, but that all of that that's like a flat land. I'm talking about each and every moment the way we go about our day each and every moment is creative you know >> like a generative field that's emerging from the being that is individual that's walking the path as it's going I mean this whole quantum observe and the cuz observe to the lay person can seem so um passive but what I'm hearing from you is like get creative like notice that like you're actually having this expression and this experience back the word experience again. I mean, creativity and experience in this observed space.
>> I mean, I think about when I write my books, you know, I'll I'll write, you know, every morning is when I write and and you know, and so often, you know, maybe at night I'll I'll read what I wrote and I'll be like, "Wow, this is really good." Like, who who wrote this?
In this sense that I'm not identified with being the writer. I just became an instrument and plugged in to the creative source of the universe and something came through me. That's what I mean by being creative, you know, by just offering yourself to be in service for the field in whatever whatever medium that you're working in. And you become the conduit to for something to like, you know, be given birth to into our world. And you know, I'm not like counseling everybody to become a writer like me, but that's just my way, you know, but I think that's a like a microcosmic example of what I'm trying to get across to people. Touch word. I um share a resonance with what you're saying. These um these conversations are those me. Um you actually um are available twice a month for people to connect in with and hang out with. Um can you share us a little bit about um how people can just Yeah. um connect with Paul a little bit more online if they feel the call.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. So um I have um twice a month these classes that are open to anybody. They're an hour and a half. The first and third I think it's on Thursdays at at noon on you know you know I'm on the west coast of the US and um the classes are called undreaming Watiko because I point out that Watiko is a dreamed up phenomena. But what is the collective insanity the evil and because it's you know that where we are dreaming up what's going into our world we can undream it and these classes you know and if you want information on how to sign up like the way I would say it if people are if they want to awaken in the dream go to awaken in thedream.com that's my website and then there's um you know you there's like a link you know pretty obvious link for like the classes and somebody could take one and not the other. They're standalone classes and I, you know, just like today, I have no idea. I just show up and whatever's on my mind, I just share for the first 45 minutes and the second 45 or just Q&A with the audience. And then also just recently, a friend of mine, so many people were saying, I need to be on like what is it called? Like substack.
I'm so new to it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So now I have a Substack thing and um so people can find me on.
>> We'll put links we'll put links to all of that um in the show notes below.
Thank you so much Paul. Thank you. Um and yeah I mean there was I can't let you go away without me asking you about um indigenous cultures and dreaming. I mean I'm recording this podcast on Mandre land here in Australia. It's um it's a really beautiful country and our indigenous here had a um a real deep relationship with the dream time. That was their spirituality.
Um so much so that you speak to some elders and they'll say things like people would um the indigenous would go to sleep and then in the morning when they when would rise into this reality, they would then spend the first part of the morning discussing their dreams before living out what the dreams had to do. like the dreams were real and this reality was, you know. So, I mean this whole dreaming and what indigenous cultures knew about dreaming and now quantum is sort of catching up with its science. There does seem to be this it's really interesting. There are indigenous cultures that have this wisdom without necessarily having the logic. There's a there's a there's wisdom probably speaks in many different languages. Like we think the indigenous are less informed, but in some ways they've got some real roots going into their awarenesses. Isn't it phenomenal?
>> Oh, completely, completely. Like, so I didn't know you're in Australia where the the Aboriginal Yeah. the the dream time. I mean, absolutely. people who are still connected, you know, with their nature, with the land, um, you know, everything I'm saying, they'll be like, "Well, yeah, we've known that for thousands of years, you know, like I just think of myself as a translator, you know, and you know, I'm glad you brought that up that native people of all lands, you know, by being connected with nature and with their nature, you know what I'm saying instead of being like really out there like a normal westerner would be like, "Oh my god, Paul seems really out there and crazy or these are all theories."
They're like, "No, no, no. This is like the nature of reality." And you know, and that's why if I had had my experience in an indigenous culture of all of a sudden, oh, it looks like Paul is acting really weird and crazy, they would understand, oh, he might be being called by the spirits to become some sort of healer or shaman or teacher or something like that. They're really they understand that way more. You know, in our modern culture, you see the thing about Watiko, when people get taken over by Watiko, they become not like a human being. They become almost like a robot or an autonom or like a zombie where they're just a set of program responses with no creativity, you know, programmed in and um you know, so the opposite of that is when you have indigenous people who are connecting connected with nature and with their nature. Yeah. They're like, you know, like this real like this human being, which in my sense is like the highest praise you can give someone where you get in touch. They're in touch with their soul. They're in touch with their heart. They're in touch with their love, with their compassion. That's to be a human being. That's the antidote for what?
>> I still can't believe they told you to.
I'm still tripping up my shoelaces on that one way back where we were in the conversation when you were like compassion was the answer. You need to develop more compassion. Like that was a phenomenal sweep stake >> to ancient wisdom in the practices.
>> Totally. Yeah. Yeah.
>> You know, and the people the teachers who told me that these are these brothers, two of the greatest of the enlightened beings of all Tibet. and they just embody this compassion. Like I've introduced people to them, you know, and get to get to meet them and they immediately just start sobbing because they're like little three-year-old kids, but they're like, you know, in their 60s or 70s, but they're just completely oozing love and compassion without any effort. It's just, you know, it's just their nature.
It's our nature. And when you meet people like that, you know, they're reflecting back to you our potential.
>> There are some beautiful tenants in and around the faith, are there not? So Buddhism has this compassion. It seems like Christianity or Christ symbol has a lot of to do with forgiveness, different symbols, different sort of virtues in in your mind there.
>> Yeah, to me it's all the same. I mean, you know, I'm I'm this Jewish person who is a practicing Tibetan Buddhist who's super into Christ as a symbol, you know, and to me, all the religions, when you really get down to the to the real essence of it, they're all pointing at our nature.
>> Yeah. We have teachers say, they say, you know, when you awaken to one, you awaken to them all. Um, and as I have more and more of these conversations, I start to sort of get close to potentially understanding what they may mean by that. Um, >> yeah. Yeah. The thing I should say, like when I was saying, "Oh, no, I'm not any enlightened person." I mean, I'm I'm really being authentic in that, you know, all throughout the day, I'll fall asleep, I'll get distracted, I'll But that's part of my practice is to like, oh yeah, you know, falling asleep or getting distracted. Oh, that can even deepen my realization depending on what I do with it, you know. So, it's all just like fuel for the fire of realization, you know, because people I think have a conception of, oh, when somebody's enlightened, you know, they're a certain way and no, I'm I'm just like this beginning practitioner, you know, and and just working with my stuff, you know, we all have our stuff or trauma or, you know, complexes, whatever.
And um but I think that's important to get across to people that it's not just like, oh, when you become enlightened, you're going to just be like, you know, like if somebody tells me that, oh, they're an enlightened person, I I run the other way cuz that that's that's scary to me.
What you said was hilarious. It's also hilarious that we're going to end the podcast on that note.
Ah, Paul Levy, Touchwood, thank you so much for your abundance of time, energy, generosity of heart, spirit, mind. I mean, your explorations incredibly rich and it'll be remiss of me to not acknowledge that yes, today was a conversation, but also it stands on the shoulders of the life that you know, the individual that you are has lived. Um, and so we really get to revel in that today. So yes, thank you so much for your time and energy for the conversation, but also thank you so much for who you are, Paul. You've influenced so many incredible people with such incredible bodies of work that have subsequently have influences on me from multiple estuaries coming down. So really, really appreciate the work um that you do and who you are as well.
Thank you so much.
>> Thank you so much. I really really appreciate that. Thank you.
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