The video effectively uses formal logic to expose the structural flaws and semantic inconsistencies in religious apologetics. It offers a sharp critique of how circular reasoning and etymological fallacies are used to redefine historical and theological identities.
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Hey, cashing Jew checks. That's what I'm doing. Hey, wait a second. I was just going live by myself. Then we've got uh we've got someone who just invited himself and uh it's it's not even Issa, it's Jai. How you doing, man?
>> It's not even Isa today, man. Hey, what's going on?
>> Just invited yourself right in, man.
>> Yeah, that's what I do. That's what we do. Yeah, I just decided uh just a little while ago, like right before right before I posted this, which I don't know was a couple hours ago or something like that, but um yeah, I have a live stream later tonight here. Here here's the thing, guys. So, later tonight I have uh at 8 p.m. I have a live stream with uh Mary Harp and uh Sarah Apostate of Allah. And uh Mary Harp says she has sifted through the evidence, poured through the Muslim sources carefully as it were, and she has concluded that the best explanation for a bunch of very very strange uh details and teachings in the Muslim sources is that Muhammad had a micro peepee. Well, that's interesting because um Muslims have kind of been arguing that indirectly for a while. They've been saying, and this is where this is a we want to we want to remember Andrew Wilson for the good times, not for what he's about to do to Eastern Orthodoxy.
The Orthros, the Orthos, Eastern Orthodoxy is still going to still going to be around. But the Ortha Bros, they're going to be in a little little trouble. Little trouble coming up.
Anyway, we want to remember Andrew Wilson, not as the guy who destroyed his entire group with his tom foolery, but as the guy who uh pointed out pointed out something about what Muslims were arguing. So, Muslims were arguing Muslims were arguing that um yes, Muhammad consummated the marriage with um I forgot to set slow mode. Let me go do that. Uh yes, Muhammad consummated the marriage with Aisha when she was 9 years old, but he didn't harm her. He didn't harm her. So Andrew Wilson um he brought the he brought the sources and pointed out that the um length of the vaginal canal of a nine-year-old girl is about 2 in. And therefore, if Muhammad did not harm her, he must have been sub 2 in. And so this, you know, the the the rest of us we interpreted it like not as evidence that Muhammad had a micro PP, but as like just a the destruction of their case. Obviously, he would have harmed her. She was 9 years old.
>> But Mary Harp says no. If you actually look at the evidence, you have multiple lines of evidence all converging on the idea that Muhammad did in fact have a microp. So anyway, um, had that planned.
Had that planned. But then tomorrow, tomorrow, I have a, let me put it this way. There were five prompts in this debate. Um, we we watched the first two.
I thought Kora got crushed. We're about to watch the third one, but it's the fourth one that I've seen people say, um, the Christians didn't do a good job because they they're switching out.
They're switching out. I haven't seen it yet. I haven't seen it yet. So, I I'll we'll have to watch it to uh to to see.
Um and that just happens. That just happens, especially when you're you've got a bunch of people and they're switching, you know, they're switching people out and so on. So, that that could happen. Um but, uh that was that's the one Muslims have been bragging about on on X when I've seen it. I've seen, oh, Kora crushed them on the crucifixion. And they're running their mouths and saying, you see, Christians have no evidence Jesus was crucified.
So, I've got a historian, a historian.
>> Wow. the historian joining me live tomorrow. So, was going to do that, but it but I was like, uh, I don't want to leave. That's the fourth prompt. I don't want to leave out the third prompt and and go one, two, then four. I'm not obsessive compulsive, but I'm a little bit compulsive like like I don't want to I don't want to I don't want to leave out the I don't want to leave out the the third one. So, anyway, >> Lady Logic is in this one. So, >> yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And that's the that's the other reason because uh this is the one that had Lady Logic in it. So, um, so anyway, I was just it was right before I right before I scheduled this for for now. I was like, uh, ah, I might as well just I might as well just start early and, uh, and cover this one. So, here we are. I have not seen it, guys. I have not seen this. Have you watched this, John?
>> I have not seen this at all. I haven't seen one second of this.
>> Oh, then we're kind of on the same page here because I haven't seen one second of this one either. Although, >> no, I I do want to say just in case, you know, Christine is listening, it's not because I wasn't excited she was in it.
because I want to give a raw reaction on a stream, which like David said, we didn't plan in this, but I had assumed that we were going to do it, so I wanted to save the raw reactions for the streams, but I was looking forward to it. I just haven't seen it at all.
>> All right, so this is the raw reaction of Jai and the Dizzle to the third prompt, which is that Jesus was a Muslim. And uh we've been dealing with this one for years. You could actually, and we'll have to see what Kora argues, but you could actually make like a mini I should do a video on it, but you you can and and I've made videos responding to the claim that Jesus was a Muslim, but you could actually make like a mini book of fallacies just on this one argument from Muslims.
>> Um, >> yeah, >> you've got you've got equivocation.
They'll equivocate on the meaning of the word Muslim. Like they'll change they'll change meanings um as they're using the word. Um, so yeah, you've got uh you've got equivocation. You've got um you've got what's called the etmological fallacy, which is you go with the edi with the original meaning of the word and not how it not what it ended up meaning. So they'll go, oh, the word just means one who submits to God. Jesus submitted to to God, right? See, he's a Muslim. Not. And so the etmology means this. Yeah. But the meaning was massively expanded for religious purposes. And uh >> when I when I point that out, you could give examples like the word Hindu. The word Hindu originally meant someone from past the uh Indis River in India. And so it was just a word for people in India.
Later on later on it eventually came to mean the followers of Hinduism, the religion there. Right? So it was named Hinduism after that word which just referred to people in India.
So notice you could say well etmologically it just referred to people from India. Therefore Zucker and all the Muslims in India are Hindus.
>> No, none of them would accept that.
Every last one of them would say that is the stupidest thing anyone's ever heard.
It's exactly what they do when they say when they try to defend Jesus was a Muslim. Or if you uh take Buddhism, Buddha, Buddha means enlightened one and uh Buddhists are followers of the enlightened one. Well, Muslims was uh was Muhammad enlightened? Oh, he was enlightened. So, he was the Buddha. So, Muslims are Buddhists, right? They would never they would never take this sort of argumentation seriously, but they do when they have to defend the claim that Jesus was a Muslim because they don't have any actual evidence. They have to resort to um fallacy.
You can go equivocation, you can go etmological fallacy.
>> Oh, I just want to say for the edmological fallacy one, those are great examples. I think people should use those actually use those because then those will show because you can give other examples. You can, you know, a famous one that uh people who explain this kind of stuff like linguists or whatever they'll use like the word butterfly for example. You know, you dissect the word butterfly. Okay, butter and fly though, but that doesn't mean a stick of flying butter. But I think if you wanted to like So that that demonstrates the point as well and it shows how ridiculous it You don't use the etmology to determine the usage of the word or what the meaning of the word is today. And it never actually meant stick of flying butter. But it just goes to show that even if you break down the etmology, it doesn't actually make the point that etmology equals current meaning. But I think to use those ones like Hindu and Buddhist and actually apply it to like Muslims in India or whatever. I think that actually hits a little harder when you're talking to Muslims. So I would encourage people to use those uh when you're discussing this with Muslims cuz like David said there's there's uh what's the other fall the fallacy of the undisputed did you talk about that one the undisputed middle one that one or you didn't cover >> yeah the fallacy of the undistributed middle yeah that's actually hard to explain because um I mean you you can do it it just takes a little while and you have to put things up on the screen and stuff for people to understand it but um yeah in logic in certain in certain kinds of syllogisms you have what's called the middle term that's the term that appears appears in both premises and it has to be distributed. I don't want to explain all that right now, but um if if the middle term is not distributed, you just you end up with fallacies. And so it's easier to understand with examples. So Muslims will say um um something like, oh Jesus bowed down and prayed, Muslims bowed down and pray, therefore Jesus was a Muslim. It's undistributed because you'd need to say something like only Muslims bowed down to pray. Jesus bowed down to pray, therefore Jesus is a Muslim. But you're not. It's not distributed. So it's it's easy to see the problem with examples like um cats are mammals. This dog is a mammal. Therefore, this dog is a cat. You instantly understand how stupid that is. And it's what it's what Muslims do. Jesus bowed to pray like tons of other people down through history from all kinds of religious groups, including many times polytheists and pagans, >> right? Bowed down to pray. Therefore, therefore, Jesus is a Muslim because Muslims bow down to pray. So, >> yeah, that's the fallacy of the undistributed middle. So, that that's the uh >> I was I always get the name wrong, but once you explain the concept and use examples, it's it's so easy to get like it's like there's a hidden assumption there that only Muslims do whatever that is, fill in the blank. And once you get that, it's like it unlocks like a bunch of different, you know, fallacies that Muslims are committing when they use that type of logic. Yeah. So, >> so yeah, like you said, this example of like he is being a Muslim is like you can like you said, you can write a book about the fallacies that that >> and uh it's really stupid. I mean, when we were in Time Square, um Adam Salet, who's uh one of the one of the uh popular DA guys when he stepped up and started uh claiming that Jesus is a Muslim, he was going, "Hey, Jesus had a beard. Muslims have beards." And it's just I mean it's stupid stuff like that, but that that just shows how stupid their thinking is.
You could uh you could uh point out the Mott and Bailey fallacy. The Mott and Bailey fallacy. The uh back in the day the the uh Mott was like a little like tower or stronghold on a piece of land and then you had the surrounding the surrounding, you know, village or whatever and the surrounding territory.
And that's called the Bailey. And if someone were to invade, you could retreat from the Bailey, the surrounding area, and just run up into the stronghold. The stronghold which was easier to defend. And uh so you wouldn't defend the bailey, you'd you'd run up into the the m which is like a little fortress. And so the m and bailey fallacy is when um someone goes after your position and you retreat to something much, you know, much less significant but but easier to defend.
And so >> Jesus was a Muslim. You're meaning Jesus was a follower of this religion, an adherent of this religion. and then someone comes and attacks and you go, "Oh, no, no, I'm just saying he's submitted to God." That would be the mut. You just retreated to a much easier but not relevant uh not relevant uh claim as far as defending your overall position. So, yeah, you could all kinds of fallacies here. All kinds of fallacies.
>> And by the way, not so like we could have like a like a fallacy counter like the the Okay, perfect. We can have that kind of counter as well. But also there's like a heresy kind of uh counter that's possible as well because a number of the things that Jesus said if he were a Muslim wouldn't be accepted in Islam according to the gospel according to what Jesus actually said. So you you know you you could say um hold on one second. You could say like uh you could say like for example like Jesus referring to God as the father for example and then Muslims are like oh oh yeah um actually yeah you can call God father and so then so you can do a a feresy counter as well and see how much like heresies they commit with this topic as well.
>> Yeah. Um and that's kind of the other issue. Uh so he refer he was praying to the father and it's because he's the son and calls himself the son and identifies himself as the son and guess what everyone that would be the worst possible sin in Islam. That's the worst sin you can commit. Sherk associating yourself as a partner with God. And that happens if you call someone the son of God. So all kinds of like really really really dumb dumb problems. And that that should tell you that should tell you how just how flawed and pathetic this religion is. That they have to cling to this because their religion says it and yet they can only defend it with fallacy upon fallacy upon fallacy upon fallacy upon fallacy. And that's always the case. Um, and if you expand to other Muslim arguments, it's just it just gets worse because they're they always have to engage in some sort of some sort of facious reasoning just like on on the Islamic dilemma. So, we bring up um what the Quran says about the previous scriptures and uh that the Quran affirms the inspiration and the preservation and the authority of the previous scriptures going so far as to say you have to believe in all of it and if you only believe in parts of your book, Allah will send you to hell. You have to believe in all of it or he will send you to hell. So very clear. You have to believe in all of your book. What does almost what does almost every Muslim tell you? Nope. The Quran is just saying believe in parts. It's just saying to believe in parts. Oh yeah. Which parts is it telling us to believe in? Only the parts that agree with Islam. Uhhuh. And Allah uses this as an argument for why we should believe in the Quran and Muhammad. And the argument is, well, he's affirming your scriptures.
Therefore, you should affirm the Quran, right? Yeah. So, the Quran is affirming our book, right? No, no, no. Just parts.
Which parts? The parts that agree with you, but it's not affirming the other parts, right? No. No. It's only It's only affirming the parts that agree with Islam. Okay. So, I'm supposed to be impressed because the Quran affirms the parts of my book that it agrees with and it doesn't affirm the other parts. But notice, why would we? So, the this is an argument for us. It's trying to tell us why we should believe in Islam.
But in order to con order to use this argument, for this argument to get off the ground, we have to assume that the Quran is right and that it's the word of Allah so that we can take it 100% factual and therefore get rid of everything in our book that doesn't line up with it. And then whatever's left that lines up with Islam, WE SAY, "OH WOW, WHAT WHAT after we took out all the parts that disagreed with Islam, what's left lines up with Islam. Oh my goodness. Now we can conclude that the Quran is the word of God. Oh, wait.
That's what we had to assume at the beginning. And Muslims tell us we have to assume. And that means that Allah's main argument for why for why we're supposed to believe in Islam is circular. So Allah didn't know logic.
According to you guys, Allah didn't know logic. We we yeah we just need like 20 we need to go with like 20 major fallacies and use Islamic arguments to illustrate all the fallacies so people can learn logic.
>> But it's amazing like how many you can do which is just one topic. It's it's it's actually crazy like how many you can do with this one topic. I think I think we just did like three or four just right now.
>> So >> yeah, we did four before uh even bringing up the Islamic dilemma. Uh, and I'm sure I'll probably think of some more if I listen to >> Yeah, we'll think of some more. Yeah, when she Yeah, cuz she'll say some things that will like, you know, trigger some more uh heresy counters fallacies counters slash Okay, perfect counters.
So, >> oh, by the way, what's up, >> Carmelo? If you're watching, I don't see you here. If anyone sees Carmelo, get my attention for Carmelo.
Um, about an hour ago, I got an email from a high school student named Carmelo. And Carmelo apparently goes to a Christian school and uh has a uh little project that's due on Thursday.
He said, "I got a project due on Thursday. I'm supposed to interview someone supposed to interview someone who has a career that I want to go into and I want to do apologetics and stuff. So, uh, I know I shouldn't have waited till the last minute. I'm ashamed, but uh I really need to interview you.
And so I messaged him back and it said can't send his email inbox is full. So don't know how I'm supposed to contact him for this last minute interview, but I too I too have been known to put things off to the last minute here or there or every single time I've ever done anything in my life. So thought I' thought I'd give him a hand. Thought I'd give him a hand. and his email inbox is full and he can't accept messages. So, Carmela is sitting there. Is David going to email me back so I can get this interview so I can get my project done be and and and turn it in on on Thursday? And here here David is completely willing to help this kid out and his inbox is full and he probably and he doesn't even know it.
>> Man, that that is a very popular very popular kid, man. Full email box. Hey, shout out to Carmelo. I only know one Carmelo. That's Carmelo Anthony. But this is second Carmelo. So guys, someone has to know Carmelo or someone who knows Carmelo. So >> who knows Carmelo out there?
>> Someone's gonna know him. Let him know that David's willing to be interviewed.
>> You know what sucks? Carmelo's uh he's going to sit there waiting the entire time and then uh and then he's going to get an F on his project. He's going to flunk out of uh high school. He's never going to be uh an apologist like he wants to be. And then he's going to be enraged and he's going to say, "David ruined it all." And he's going to come to this live stream um to vent his frustrations and he's going to say, "I was here live asking where's Carmelo."
>> Where's Car hash? Where's Carmelo?
>> Where's Carmelo?
People posting Carmelo clear your inbox, bro. Nice.
>> All right.
>> Uh let's take these uh first couple of super chats and then we will jump into this debate. Here's my GIF. you grifter.
God bless you both. Thank you.
>> God bless you, too.
>> Davo, if you want to have on a traditional Protestant Anglican and apologist who loves history and throwing hands with the Ortha Bros, I'm your man.
Oh, why would we want >> I've seen him before. The other I've seen him before.
>> Why would we want to throw hands with anybody, man? We're all about We're all about We're all about peace and love here.
>> We've got We got We're trying to unite people. We're the ones trying to unite people. Get everybody together. Man, >> sad part is the Ortha Bros won't let us.
They want division. And you guys want division.
I'mma give you some division, guys.
I'mma give you some division. You asked for it. Don't say I didn't warn you like 9,000 times. But careful what you wish for.
>> I have to say I have to say I made a post about this earlier. I saw your clip um you made a clip uh from your live stream with Tony Costa. I didn't get a chance to watch the live stream, but I saw the clip and I concluded from that that Jay Dyer is demonic after I watched that. I had I mean to compare the Coptic martyrs to Hezbollah martyrs and say that they're like the same thing to you, it just I just I just couldn't I couldn't I couldn't believe he said that.
>> I've gotten multiple messages from the Ortha Bros who are defending Jay Dyer.
Um just his little his little bingo. Um, but this is why they're cultlike. They can't acknowledge, oh, this is this is okay, this was messed up. He's human. He made a mistake. Let it let it slide.
We'll tell him to stop doing that. A bunch of them had to go and like defend it just cuz that's their guy. And what are you defending? What were you defending? What were they cheering for Andrew Wilson on? Andrew Wilson was defending the claim that Orthodox Christians should align at least sometimes. That was his point. But for a good reason. If orthodox Christians have a good reason to align with da guys to attack Christians who are preaching the gospel, then they should do it. If there's a good reason. Well, guess what? I'm hearing from these guys. They're sending me messages saying, "You guys are in the same ballpark with Muslims and everyone else. You're all outside the church.
You're you're all in the same ballpark."
Okay. Well, and um And Andrew when I posted when I posted that clip earlier, that was uh Andrew saying that when we preach the gospel, when we preach the gospel, it's like someone's on fire and we're trying to just pour just put out the fire with gasoline. We're making the situation worse. Okay. Well, guess what?
I'm You put those two things together.
When we preach the gospel to Muslims, we're making the situation worse and destroying that person even more. we're pouring gasoline on an already burning person, >> then it would be a it would be a good thing to do to derail us and stop us from criticizing Islam and and from uh preaching the gospel to Muslims, right?
It would be a good thing to stop us because we're making the situation worse. Well, yeah.
>> And then the other day he defended the claim that if there's a good reason for aligning with Muslims against, let's say, Protestants or Catholics, then you should do it. What are you saying here?
You should have the orthob what what am I missing? Right. He defended he defended both those things. Um that what we're doing when we interact with Muslims is evil. It's evil and it's making things worse. And if you have a good reason to help Muslims against Christians, you should do it. Okay. Then ortha bros and daab bros should be should be aligned to destroy Catholic and Protestants who are criticizing Islam and preaching to Muslims until we we're all out of the way and then just the orthobros can go out and uh and and >> throw um the the oriental orthodox in there too like the cops and things like that too because there's a lot of um uh upand cominging uh Coptic and and Oriental uh Ethiopian etc. um apologists. They're they're like these young guys who know philosophy really well and stuff like that. And they're they're uh one of the guy's name is um a Aen. Uh I don't know how to pronounce his name, but I think he's Coptic. And so yeah, Jay Dyer wouldn't consider him to be a Christian. And these guys wouldn't consider him Christian, but he's doing he's doing great work. He's like destroying Muslims and philosophy and logic and uh he's showing them all sorts of flaws and uh yeah. So it's one thing to say like I mean for me personally like when I I don't want to get too off topic. I won't go too long with it, but I just want to say like when I if I see like a Muslim going into like atheism or something like that, then they start trying they take like the kind of Richard Dawkins approach and they try to like convert people to their atheism. I I I see that as like spiritually speaking, I call it like a lateral move. It's like you didn't go forward. You didn't go backwards. You're just like you went from Islam to atheism and now you're trying to draw people into atheism or whatever like that. But he's saying it's actually worse than that. He's saying it's like they're going into something and and it's actually worse than where they were before. He's saying that that they're going from Islam into something worse.
So the gospel that that you are preaching is is is supposed it's is supposedly supposedly worse than what they currently believe in and it's actually more dangerous. And that that is just that's why I say this is just demonic. This is just demonic. These attacks are just demonic.
>> It's a serious serious problem. But don't worry, you got a problem.
I know a problem solver.
>> Yeah, that's right. That's right.
>> Um, Mo and Dut said Hassan Shibli claimed Buddha was a Muslim.
>> Oh, there you go.
>> Yeah. I mean, I I think there have been there have been other Muslims who defended that and they want to find Muhammad in the Buddhist scriptures and the Hindu scriptures and so on. And it's like, well, you might as well, if you're going to call, if you're going to call everyone in the all these uh everyone in the Bible a Muslim, you might as well just point to anyone, even Alexander the Great, the pagan of all pagans. He was a Muslim, too.
Whenever you see Saitama smiling because of the giant's mistake, remember demonic mind manipulation. In this case, of the emotion of amusement. This is Nordine still obsessed with >> he's got a new obsession, man. He's got >> Saitama. the Saitama picture still going still going off on that. So Davey Jai, always nice to see you. Do has been pretty quiet lately. Praying all is well. Much love, brothers.
>> Uh yeah, hopefully things are moving forward with what we're doing and hopefully you guys will uh see us all soon together. So keep pray keep us in prayers and thanks for thanks for asking about it.
>> Yeah, in case anyone is wondering, there's nothing that's actually wrong.
There's just something that's taking up time. There's just something that's taking up a lot of time. um >> and taking up significantly more time than everyone thought. And so yeah, that's the situation. This is all happening for AP to come to the truth.
And we have if Carmelo follows in David's footsteps, his project will be turned in late. Hey, hey, Carmelo. Look, if you get this message uh late and you have to hand it in late, you just say, "I wanted to follow David Wood in David Wood's steps." And he's always late, so I I handed this paper in on Monday instead of Thursday. And uh it wouldn't have been right to hand it in on time if David Wood's involved.
And we have Jai sent you a message on what is TT about Falbari and >> Tik Tok.
>> Tik Tok. Tik Tok. I'm not, by the way, guys, I'm not really I I know sometimes I get on TikTok and I see like a ton of unread messages. I'm not active on there, but I will look because you said it. I I guess you're object Objective Christian. Okay, I'll look out for your name >> about Fathbari and Sahil Bakari 6130.
Can you lend me a hand? Oh, okay. This is interesting. So, yeah, Sahil Bakari um in the English translation um includes commentary from Iban Hadra Alscalani and Fath Albari. And so I guess they're asking about that.
>> Yep. I'll uh let me write it down now just so I don't forget.
>> And last one then we'll jump into the video. My name is Abin Sak Majer aliwak.
I am the slave of Allah. How dare you mock Islam in the presence of the slave of Allah. The most merciful.
All right.
All right. You ready? You ready? Ready.
>> Okay.
>> Let's do it.
>> We have not seen >> Get our counters ready. Our counters ready.
>> We haven't seen any of this. Let's find out if uh Kora has a better case than all the Dawa guys who've come before her because their case sucks. Let's find out.
>> My next prompt is Jesus is a Muslim.
My name is Kora.
>> Hi, I'm Christine.
>> Hey, girl. How you doing?
>> I'm good.
>> Hanging in there. I'm Lauren.
>> Nice to meet you. I'm Shayla Perez.
>> I'm Christina.
>> All right. Nice to meet you guys. So, obviously as a >> act like you don't know Christina.
>> I think there are two Christina.
>> Christina and Christina. Yeah. I like how that how that one lady like kind of broke the ice a little bit. Um there must have been a lot of tension in the room and she's like how how you doing?
How you doing?
>> They all left.
>> I believe that every single prophet of God from Adam all the way to Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him submitted to the one and only true God.
>> And I believe that because one fake prophet said it. And I believe everything this fake prophet said, no matter how much it contradicts reality.
This fake prophet said Alexander the Great was a devout Muslim. So, we'll just say he meant someone else. He says, uh, Jesus was a devout Muslim, even though from an Islamic perspective, Jesus committed the worst possible sin and caused more sherk than anyone else in the history of the universe.
Y'all getting that? Do you see that issue?
You have over two billion people, two billion people who believe Jesus is Lord. Why? Because of the things Jesus said and therefore Jesus has caused more sherk than any other person in history by saying the things he said and they said this is a devout Muslim. Why?
Because Muhammad said it. Well, then Muhammad sounds like a complete lying which is the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. So, why do you guys believe that Jesus was not a Muslim?
>> Jesus believed that >> What's up?
>> So, the the other prompt I saw you do um uh Issa jumped on that one, so I'm jumping on this one. But yeah, the other one um she made a statement and she didn't actually like give an argument for it. She just made a statement like she said something like, you know, the Quran contains material that only comes from Allah. And she never gave an example. I mean, she never gave an example of that. At least in her opening, she never gave an example. But now she's doing the same thing here.
She's just stating. She's just making an assertion. She's not giving an argument.
If I remember correctly, Christina, she'd make an argument and then the Muslims would respond to what she actually said in the argument, but she's just making assertions. Uh, and like, oh, we believe that all the prophets were Muslims and Jesus was a Muslim. But where's the what's the argument? What's the argument? There's no argument there.
I mean, I'm sure she's going to get into it, but I I just noticed this that she just makes assertions without trying to defend them.
>> Yeah. So, even when she's supposed to be defending something, she just starts off by saying something. No argument, no evidence. Here's what I believe. Now, you prove me wrong. As if it's their job to prove you wrong and not your job as the affirmative position who came up with the prompt that you wanted to show is true. Um, yeah, but you you don't have any burden of proof, but maybe she's maybe she's going to go somewhere with this. Let's find out.
>> A Muslim.
>> Jesus believed that God was a father. Do you affirm as a Muslim that God is a father?
>> Yeah. So, what do we mean by father here? What does father mean?
>> Father can mean metaphorical or literal.
So, we believe that Jesus is the begotten son of God. And we believe that God is a father metaphorically and that the children of Israel are his children.
>> Yeah. I want to add something. Yeah. I think we can't divorce Judaism from this conversation. Jesus was Jewish. He followed Jewish traditions. He was born of Jews. So if we're going to say anything, Jesus was a Jew. So I'm curious why you're not leading with that or acknowledging that. I'm guessing I'm guessing already that the reason uh she's encouraging them to go with this and then saying what does it mean is she's probably a fatherite, right? I'm guessing she's a father, right?
>> She seems to be in that camp now. Like I don't like again with Cora, I don't know too much about her other than that one conversation I had with her like how many couple years ago and then turns out she said she was only like a teenager at the time. Um but according other according to you know we don't actually know how old she is. She gives different ages to different people or different people give different ages of her.
Anyway, I don't have know much about her. I I I'm I'm thinking that she lines up pretty well with the other Tik Tok people that she associates with. So, even though I don't know her or her views that well, um the people that she's associated with, like Orthodox Muslim, for example, he's a big Yeah.
what they call a father, right? So, um yeah, because even in her answer uh with Christina, um she again she's trying to put her on the what does it mean? Like what does father mean? She didn't actually say like it's not permissible in Islam to call God father. So I think that she's probably in the father camp.
>> Yeah. Let me uh and we we haven't seen how she's going to respond, but she did ask to distinguish, okay, what's father mean? So it sounds like she's going to be okay with a certain meaning. U but Jai, you're you're familiar with the Quran. Um, does the Quran say that it's okay to call Allah father as long as you know you mean something like metaphorical or analogical or something like that? So, it's okay to call Allah father.
>> No, it actually specifically denies that Allah is a father in in a literal sense as well as in a metaphoric sense. And so that's in chapter 5 18. Um, it says like the Jews and Christians say that we are God's beloved and we are his children.
and says, "Nay, say you are from among his creation and something like, you know, why does he punish you for your sins?" Um, now I always thought about that verse. It's like if you kind of like reverse the logic a little bit, I wonder what you could kind of get. So, it's like he says that um like, okay, you're not a child of God because Allah punishes you for your sins. Well, I question what if someone is sinless, then what's the rebuttal to them? Can they call themselves a child of God? And then it says like you're amongst what he created. Um, so anyway, so I I always wondered if you could reverse that and kind of come up with a situation where Allah could have a son, but I could never figure it out. And the Quran's constantly denying it over and over and over again. In fact, um, I don't have it on me right now. Uh, you might have it actually. Um, Elab I because I know you have a translation of that. uh but for in chapter 9:30 he actually addresses he he goes down in chapter 9:30 he talks about um the views that you know refer to this is where ozair and and Jesus they're called you know the messiah the son of Allah he's talking about the different meanings of what son of god means here and he goes to like like uh this is what says what he mean it means like a literal sense a like a literal father and then he says even in the sense if it's like a metaphor meaning like um you have a special relationship with god but not like a kind of biological relationship.
He said that's even that's even disbelief. So um that's for chapter 9 verse 30.
>> Huh. Interesting.
>> Yeah. So, um, now, um, as far as I can tell, I haven't paid much attention to the fatherites, but seems like they say, okay, as long as you're understanding it in a metaphorical sense, it was okay to say then, but then he abregated the use of that at some point and then changed it for Muslims to avoid confusing people. And it's like, well, where's where's your evidence for that? Where's your evidence for that? And the only evidence would be, well, he's father all over the Bible and he's not in the Quran. Therefore, it must have been abregated. But it is interesting how they can just like make stuff up like that. And it's like, where where's your source? Where's your source? Allah says, I've abregated this because all all you're pointing out is that, well, the Quran's contradicting the Bible, and so we're going to make something up to avoid the contradiction.
>> Yeah. And Muslims, they're always making fun of the titles that God has in the Bible as well. Like, you know, where it says God is, you know, he's our rock.
Oh, your God is a rock. You got you guys say that we kiss our rock. Well, you got your God is a rock. and they they'll use that kind of thing as an insult and then like you know God's saying that he's the husband the husband of Israel the husband like know he's he's the you know you have the bride and bridegroom um as well and like you know with the church and so they they'll they'll they'll they acknowledge that the Bible uses language that Muslims would never use but when it comes to father which the Quran says over and over and over and over again that Allah is not a father in any sense any sense at all they're like oh well maybe it was possible back then because you know there's some precedence for that in the Bible at least well the Bible also says that God is a husband as well. So can can Allah be a husband in any sense and then they they would they they would say no for that. Um or or maybe maybe I don't know how the fathers view that if passage actually or those that title in particular but um they're very um they don't have any support for their position amongst any of their scholars. In fact, I was just listening to a sheh um earlier even actually earlier today someone sent me a clip and he was saying how he actually was talking about this topic about whether you can call yourself a child of God, child of Allah in a metaphorical context. He said no that's still that's still disbelief. It's still it's still cover. So, so this is not um in fact Liiano who is the father of the fatherites. He's the father of the fatherites.
He was in a discussion with a with a sheh uh who came to Tik Tok um by introduced there by other Muslims who who take very strong opposition to that view that they they take the position they take the traditional Muslim view that father was never acceptable in Islam. Never in never in the past. uh obviously not in the present and nor in the future and they say that that's that's not at all acceptable within Islam to even say that it was possible. This actually talked to he talked to him. It was a conversation that they had in the guy was speaking in Arabic and he was and Libya was talking to him and he told him that he recanted his position and he accepts what the sheh says. Uh but then he went back to his position. But the sheh told him he told him that it's blasphemous to say this in any in any sense and he's like, "Oh, I'm sorry for for you know, I take your correction. I learned so much from you." And then he goes back to his view, you know, like the next day or something like that. So he talked to like ah about this before and he he told him off.
Multiple of these guys have also contacted other popular um shakes as well and they've commented on the topic.
Everyone is saying the same thing. You cannot have this in Islam. This is not Islamic. You cannot believe. You can't even believe that Allah used to be called father and and they just have all that other side like the non-fatherite side. They have all the Islamic support on their side. The fatherites are just completely lost. But guess what? It's the Islamic dilemma that forced them to say that. That's the reason why you have fatherite Muslims is because of the Islamic dilemma.
>> Everyone catching that? And so that is a that is a rare moment of progress in intellectual progress in the ummah guys.
It's the Islamic dilemma forced them to the position where okay it was acceptable to call Allah father in the past. Right? So >> um so the reason there guys is um when we run the Islamic dilemma and we point out hey the Quran's affirming these scriptures over and over and over again and they want to say oh oh yeah in in a general sense in a not every little detail even though it says in every little detail. Um but they want to say oh it's it's just kind of a a general sense. Okay. God being fathers all over the place. Old Testament and New Testament.
>> So it's in a general sense. Guess that that's pretty that's general in the Bible.
And so, uh, they're kind of forced to say, "All right, must have must have," if the Quran's even affirming it in a general sense, then that's all over the Bible, so we can't deny that one. And now you've got some Muslims saying >> it was okay to call Allah father back then. But then he changed his mind and said, "No, no more father. I'm not your father anymore. I disown all of you."
>> Weird time. Oh, and by the way, and I just remember this, but at n in chapter 9 verse 30, it says that they're just repeating the the statements of disbelievers of old or something to that effect. I don't have it in front of me right now, but it says that. So, in other words, it's not just something new Allah is repudiating. He's saying that they're repeating uh disbelief statements of of previous times.
>> So, he's so he's not saying like back then it was okay. He's saying no, it it was back then it was still blasphemous, still wrong. And they're still repeating this blasphemous, you know, thing that.
And he says, may and then it says, "May Allah destroy That's what it's saying.
So whoever says that, you know, Jesus is the son of God in any sense, Allah wants them to be destroyed.
>> Yeah. So guys, you you catch that saying that when Jews and Christ when Jews call Ezra the son of Allah and Christians call Jesus the son of Allah, we're imitating the unbelievers from the we're imitating the unbelievers from the old from the olden times. We're imitating the pagans.
Well, what's the problem with that?
Following this reasoning, why did Christians call Jesus the son of God?
Because it was revealed that way, but Allah didn't really mean it. And now he calls for our destruction because we misunderstood him, right? We we took we took we took it ser we took it too seriously. So the fatherites are actually claiming, nope, it was revealed that God is your father. God is your father. And then you get to uh you get to the Quran, he's like, nope, I have to destroy them. destroy them for saying that Allah has a son.
Well, that would be on a law, wouldn't it? He revealed it that way. Weird times. All right, here we go.
>> Yeah. Because I I'm asking you guys why you do not believe that Jesus was a Muslim. So, I'm asking from your perspective, what exactly is deterring you from the belief that Jesus was a Muslim and you essentially establishing that he was a Jew?
>> Can you define the word Muslim? I know you said >> a submitter to the one true God.
>> Okay. Could I could I say something really quick because I know you have a lot to say and so these are such beautiful sisters and you are doing a great job. I love your psychology. What I'm noticing about you is that you >> that's not that's not what she that's not what Muslims mean when they say Jesus is a Muslim. That that's where the equivocation begins.
>> Already already already doing it.
>> Yeah. It's already doing it. It's a submitter to the one true God.
>> Yeah. Notice notice >> that's not what Muslim means.
>> Yeah. Notice even if Islam is a false pagan religion, you could still according to that definition call Jesus a Muslim because he submitted to the true God even though the God of Islam is a false god. Is this where is this really what you guys want to do? Point out show something that's completely meaningless just based on the etmological meaning of a term. Is that all is that all you Muslims mean when you say Jesus was a Muslim? Is that he submitted to the true God even if it's not Islam? even if it's not our religion. Is that what you mean? Or are you saying he was a follower of your religion? You know what you mean and you lie like this every freaking time and then you demand that we take your your stupid claim seriously. It's pathetic.
It's absolutely pathetic. And I'm assuming she's going to roll with this.
>> Yeah, I'm sure.
>> Interrupt us when you feel like you have to defend yourself, right? And so what I ask interrupt us when you feel like you have a submitter to the one true God.
>> Okay. Could I could I say something really quick? Because I know you have a lot to say and so these are such beautiful sisters and you are doing a great job. I love your psychology. What I'm noticing about you is that you interrupt us when you feel like you have to defend yourself, right? And so what I ask is that this be a good debate where we all let each other talk. Okay. In Jesus mighty name, can we do that?
>> Yeah, of course. By all means. What what I usually just said in Jesus mighty name, can we do that? She said of course. Okay. So Kora agreed. Not only has she said that every single thing these the Christian ladies have ever claimed is perfect.
Now, now she's agreeing not to interrupt in the mighty name of Jesus. That's good. I keep looking around because I wanted to find uh I wanted to find the volume to it to be >> I know you got it somewhere, but you have a ton of stuff. But um yeah. Yeah.
Volume four.
>> One second. Volume >> you can talk for a second, Joe.
>> All right. What's up, guys? We're g All right, David is going to be looking for a portabye for chapter nine. Uh, so we're going to chapter 9 verse 30. So, uh, how you guys doing? What's up?
What's What's going on? Hey, did anyone reach out to Camello? Carmelo, anyone anyone got any confirmation on Carmelo and know for sure if uh he's gonna clear up his email so we can get in touch with David? Anybody know? All right, let's see. I'm just asking if anyone got in touch with Carmelo.
Um, so, oh, you got it. You got the volume.
>> Of course I do. What do you think? I I'm not going to have court to be. I'm the court to be master.
>> Yeah, guys. So, uh, I like the psychological breakdown that she just gave. Uh, it kind of tells people like you're clocking them and you're like, "Hey, look, we know what you're like we know we can hear what you're saying. We we we hear your arguments, but we can also see through you. We know what you're doing and why you're doing it."
And that kind of like that that's it kind of throws people off sometimes when they're doing something like dishonest or doing something dirty because they're like, "Oh, you you're noticing you're noticing you're noticing that." And then maybe she'll get a little self-conscious and she she actually won't cut people off as much. But we'll see. Um >> Oh, this is interesting. This is saying that uh no Jews no Jews who call who call Ezra son of God remain. That's funny.
>> Oh, >> sadly sadly the whole thing died out.
Which which raises the question, well, why why did Muhammad say that on the day of judgment, Jews in general are going to be asked why they uh why they worshiped Ezra? It's confusing.
>> Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's a good one, huh?
>> Let's see.
Um the apparent meaning of the words of the Christians is that the son of God means a son by lineage as the Arabs say about angels.
>> Okay. So yeah, this is the first part and he gives like a Tubber's view and other but then yeah so yeah this is good but then the next part is what it is. So they did translate this that's good.
>> Um the Christians agree that the Messiah is God and that he is the son of God.
Iben Aia said it is said that some of them believe in sunship by way of kindness and mercy. This idea also cannot be applied to him. It is unbelief. Oh yeah.
>> So they just Yeah. There they're talking about in a metaphorical like resemblance. So you know Jesus was kind.
>> They're just saying so some people said well maybe they just maybe the the Christians just mean like in terms of kindness and mercy. Jesus is kind and merciful. So he's he's metaphorically >> uh a son of God and he says this is unbelief. This idea cannot be applied to him. Interesting.
>> That's close in Arabic. So he's saying that this idea with all the fathers out there they are doing something when they say that oh it was allowed okay of course it's not in the literal sense but it was allowed in a metaphorical sense.
Nope.
Not according to the court to be.
>> We need to just make we need to just make like simple videos on this stuff showing a bunch of these guys defending this fatherite position. And hey, you're uh you're actually you're caffers.
You're caffers according to court to be.
>> You guys greater than court to be apparently cuz he said it's kofer. Uhoh.
Uh >> oh. Uhoh.
>> All right, let's see what we got here. I say what I wanted to say is that Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior, he cannot be put in a religion in a religion that came 600 years after he died and rose from the dead and was and and and ascended to heaven with so many witnesses. This religion comes over 600 years later in the 7th century. How are you going to tell us um all these things when it happened first? Jesus came here first. He lived. There's historians um that prove this, but what I do know is that there's two definitions to Muslim.
There's lowercase M, which means one who um can submit to God, lowercase M. Then there's uppercase, right? There's >> Well, by the way, it's I mean, if you just went with etmology, it's one who submits, right?
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's nothing about God in there. There's nothing about God in there.
>> Okay. So if someone's into some weird weird practices where someone has to submit to the pervy other hijab could tell us all about this stuff um because he's the he's the uh he's >> I mean no you you could even use just a verb in a sentence to like you know he submitted to the police and you're going to use like he submitted to the police so he's a Muslim to to the police he's a Muslim to the police or something like that or >> so hang on hang on so so Jeffrey Epstein uh sub eventually uh he he submitted to death if he ended himself and so on. So, he would be he'd be a Muslim because he submitted. That's what the word means.
So, hey, we need to uh we need to make up we need to make some absurd videos like that as well.
>> Um there's too much we need to do, man.
We need to get cranking. We need to get cranking. These guys are saying completely idiotic, nonsensical stuff like it's a sport >> and they they get away with it because we because we don't call it out fast enough. So they just run around with this uh with this stupid insanely stupid stuff. So this uh this woman here >> I have an idea. I have an idea.
>> Okay. So so so you can you know people who do incredibly evil acts, they're submitted to an evil ideology, right? So people who commit you know um >> Satan >> horrible act. Yeah.
>> Satanist submit to Satan. Satanist submit to Satan. Therefore they are submitters. Therefore they are Muslims.
>> Really? You guys just you guys just want to go with the definition.
>> I'm thinking I'm thinking even people who do acts of acts of terrorism for something like that. Let's say they don't identify as believing in Muhammad but they are submitting to an ideology.
So maybe you know according to Dawa guys these you know guys were actually Muslims. Why? Well they submitted to a particular ideology and that's what all Muslims submit like when they say to the one true God that's just adding something in there that there's nothing in the Arabic that says to the one true God. So if you're just going by the etmology or you're just going by what the like you know what the word means according to its root and etc. There's nothing about submitting to God. Um so yeah you can come with all sorts of all sorts of scenarios. Um uh sheman admits that uh you know I don't know uh one some dictator that he that he hates is a Muslim because you know he submits to an evil ideology or something like that.
>> Um so uh I think this is uh Christine here.
Christine is pointing out um she's pointing out that already that she knows where Kora is going with this and that she's going to use equivocation. So yeah, there's two meanings of Muslim here. And that's what you should do, guys. So there's Muslim that just means one who submits. And if you're saying that's all you mean, okay, all kinds of non-Muslims are Muslim in that sense. We don't care at all if you if that's all you mean. You're just saying here's an Arabic word.
>> You know what you could do? Ask them.
Ask them. Say, "Hey, why aren't I Muslims?"
>> Just ask them that. Ask them, "Why aren't why aren't?" And then they're going to tell you, "Oh, because they contradict the change of Muhammad." Oh, so it's it's about Muhammad. It's not about submitting to Okay. Okay. So, you know, just ask them those kind of questions.
>> You don't even need that because a lot of them would believe that uh that that that those guys are Muslims. Hey, why why th those Nazis? Those Nazis there, they submitted to uh Adolf. So, they're Muslims, right? They're Muslims in that sense. Okay. Is that is that the only sense that you're saying Jesus is a Muslim? Like anyone who's ever submitted to anything is a Muslim. Okay.
Completely stupid and irrelevant point.
Are you are you claiming that he's a Muslim in the religious sense of one who submits to Allah, the founder of the the supposed founder of your religion? Is that what you're claiming? Are you just claiming the completely irrelevant pointless one?
>> Because they want to keep they want to keep switching. They want to claim the second one. And then when you object, they don't want to defend it. They don't want to defend it because they can't. So they switch to the other meeting. You notice that that's that's Mton Bailey.
That's Montton Bailey. Here's what we're really claiming. This big claim as soon as you attack it. Oh, no. No. We're just saying this. We're just saying this tiny little thing up here in our fortress.
Pathetic. Absolutely. Dawa is pathetic, guys.
>> Wow. Yeah. It's it's it's bad. It's bad.
It's >> It keeps getting worse, too. Keeps getting worse for them.
>> So, yeah. So, so the way that they're saying Jesus is a Muslim is not how they would say Muhammad was a Muslim.
>> Two completely different definitions.
>> And by the way, um, she gave what is a just a completely normal person's instant reaction to hearing Muslims claim Jesus was a Muslim? What are you talking about?
Islam came along later. And then, of course, m the Muslim response is, "No, but we believe that Islam was here all along and that Jesus was a Muslim."
Okay. But there's no evidence for that.
And that's why you guys have to resort to logical fallacies and equivocation to ad, oh no, Abraham was a Muslim cuz he submitted to God. That's all we mean.
That's all we mean.
Pathetic.
>> Seventh century. How are you going to tell us um all these things when it happened first? Jesus came here first.
He lived. There's historians um that prove this. But what I do know is that there's two definitions to Muslim.
There's lowercase M which means one who um can submit to God lowercase M. Then there's uppercase right? There's uh capital M which means one who follows Islam. Okay. One who prays uh towards Mecca, one who uh reads the Quran, one who does all that. So, there's two different meanings that we're working with that we need to understand what meaning you're talking about because Jesus Christ, he uh >> he's our Lord and Savior. And he he did not teach what Islam teaches. Absolutely not.
>> Notice she's giving multiple reasons here. She's given multiple reasons.
Jesus didn't teach what Islam teaches.
How could he be a Muslim when he taught very different things from what Islam teaches? So, so she's given good response. But guys, what what she just did there, you should always do that.
Hey, here are two possible meanings of Muslim. One, there's this bare etmological this bare etmological meaning or an adherent of your religion. And she kind of went a little too far because she said, you know, praying towards uh praying towards Mecca and um you know, reading the Quran and stuff. They don't have to believe that. They don't have to believe that because they believe, you know, they believe that there were different revelations and that the kibla, the direction of prayer could be uh different at different times. So they don't need to they don't need to mean that Jesus was doing all that, but he does need to be following the core teachings and principles of Islam, which in the New Testament, he definitely did not. He definitely did not. Very different stuff here.
>> Yeah. And by the way, also Muslims will divorce the the submitting to that the Quran tells you about which is you have to submit to Muhammad.
That's that's is it 464, right? Is that the verse? 464. Uh where you know you have to submit entirely to Muhammad.
That's >> 465. Jai, get it right.
>> Okay.
>> I gave you I gave you like six seconds to correct yourself.
>> Okay. 465. Yeah. Okay. 465. There you go. So, but in that verse, really important verse guys, that tells you what kind of submitting must is necessary to be a Muslim. It's not, oh, you just submit to God. No, you have to submit to everything Muhammad said.
Everything.
Everything. And there's some crazy stories to why that verse was revealed and like what the background for that is. And it's just all about submitting to Muhammad.
>> Wait a minute.
>> What the heck is this, man? because people in the chat are saying Muhammad Hijab's live. I knew he was live. I didn't care. But I wanted to check and see how he's doing. Look at this.
>> This this live stream was just like an afterthought where okay, I don't want to skip the third prompt. And so I want to I want to do it. Whereas Hijab now has his weekly Tuesday call-in live stream.
We've got over a thousand. Muhammad Hijab has 867 watching. H how is that the king of DA? How's how is the king of DA >> the king of the king of DA can't get as many people watching his weekly live stream where he tells everyone to call in super exciting live call-in show with the champ with the champ >> and his one and his 1.3 million subscribers and we could just go live at random and we get more people watching than he does.
>> That's crazy.
>> That's insane.
you know, if if he wanted to actually do do it and you know, uh, his first live stream, he could have he could have set the precedence and, hey, we're we're we're bringing we're going to debate Avery and I think that one he like 2,000, you know, so but he ru every every single everything that he did he destroyed he destroyed his own future in it.
>> Should should have taken should have taken the L, man. Should have taken the L. Um he he looked like he looked like a pathetic coward and and and he's such a narcissist that he just he can't admit >> he can't admit that it was a stupid move. And so he just doubles down and I I'll take Avery to court. I'll take him to court over this. Okay. You're looking really really pathetic to the entire world right now. And now people aren't even interested in watching you, dude.
>> Yeah. I mean, who's like he took away the the like who's going to want to talk to him now because if you can't even upload your conversation, the guy, you know what I mean? Unless you want to go to court with him. It's like he just kind of took that away from everybody like who wants to, you know?
>> Yeah. And I mean what what's crazy is the live call-in shows. We're going to be starting uh once J's back guys, we're going to be starting live call-in shows, right? So, uh at least a couple times a week, we'll have live call. We want to we want to do live call-in shows where other guys aren't doing live call-in shows so that there's always a time when Muslims can call in and uh discuss things when they want to. But the live call-in shows because they're more exciting and you're wondering who's going to call in and what they're going to bring up. Those do way better, right?
So, just me and, you know, me and Jai talking here, we'll have we'll have a thousand. So, you know, might have 2,000, 3,000 or something like that depending on the topic.
>> Avery's getting 4500 and stuff like that with the live call-in shows because people are more interested in them. So, guess what? If a job's doing live call-in shows and can't bust a thousand anymore on with 1.3 million subscribers, this is this guy's this guy's imploding, man.
Absolutely imploding. Crazy crazy stuff.
Crazy times.
>> All right, back up a little bit here so we can get our point.
>> He He did not teach what Islam teaches.
Absolutely not. And this is what we're going to talk about right now.
>> Absolutely. So, my point is I want to see if we agree on like the main thing that she said. She said that Jesus cannot essentially be ascribed to a specific religion. Do you guys believe that Jesus was not part of a specific >> Jesus was a Jew?
>> Okay. So that's not what she said. She said you can't put him into a religion 6 years later. But >> y'all know what seven centuries later, baby.
>> 600 whatever. My main question to you is you're asking us Christians why we believe that Jesus was not a Muslim.
Allah rejects being a father in every sense. How can the Jesus that taught us to pray to our father, that's how we taught us to pray? How can he be Muslim?
Okay, perfect. So, first off, that's actually >> you're darn right. It was perfect. It was perfect.
>> Allah says he is not a father in any sense. He rejects metaphorical, literal, analogical, whatever. You are not to call him father. And yet Jesus, Jesus, and she's not even bringing up Jesus being the the the divine son.
She's not even bringing that up. She's just like, "Okay, Jesus teaches his followers to pray." Pretty important, right? How you pray. So his followers teach us how to pray. And he says, "You pray like this. Our father." So you're telling us that this devout Muslim prophet, this devout Muslim prophet taught his followers to do something which is according to Islam, sherk, the worst possible sin. That's what he taught. This devout Muslim prophet. So according to that reasoning, if you wanted to make the claim, you'd have to say according to Islam, devout Muslim prophets can commit the worst possible sins and convince billions of people to do the exact same thing. And they're still good prophets, right? Really?
Really?
Don't they believe Don't they believe that prophets are at least free of major sins? And here you're saying this guy's a prophet and he's like the all-time king of shark according to your religion.
Oh boy.
>> Weird times, man. But nope. Got to defend it. Got to got to defend it.
Muhammad said it. Got to defend it. No matter how absolutely stupid and insane it is.
>> Weird.
>> Based off of a false presupposition.
Allah does not negate being a father in every single sense. He negates being a father in the ontolog.
>> Hey, did Allah say only don't call me a father in the onlogical sense? But other than that, you could call me father. Is that what he said?
>> No.
>> No. There are I mean, it's it's clear.
It's clear. It's clear that Christians and Jews were using it metaphorically.
They weren't claiming to be God's off.
They weren't claiming that they themselves are God's offspring. And the Quran still condemns them for saying that. And we just we just read from Court to be one of the my favorite commentator. He's my favorite. He's my favorite commentator >> because of I don't know. It's just awesome commentary. And then he'll go through every everything that everyone else said and stuff. Um, and he says, "No sense. No sense. Do you call Godfather? It's Kufer." So >> yeah.
>> So by the way, according to according to Corte, Kora is a caffer. She's a caffer.
>> According to Corte.
>> Yeah. Corora. Corora the cafo.
>> Corora. Corora. Corora the caffer.
>> Corora the cafo. Okay. Yeah. So, uh, by the way, the corn also hang that might be that might be her that might be her new nickname, Kafricora. Call her Caffricora.
>> There you go, guys.
Make make it take off.
>> I might change I might change the name of this live stream. Hold up.
>> Um, so, uh, okay. So, by the way, the Quran doesn't only talk about Allah being a father in the sense of begetting, physically begetting or something like that. It also talks about him even adopting as well. So even so it rejects him being uh yes it rejects him being a a father in a physical kind of offspring sense. It it rejects him being a father in a kind of adoptive father sense and it also 518 and 530 according to some scholars say that it's a metaphorical sense as well that Allah rejects. every single sense that you can think of adoptive father, a biological father, or a metaphorical father. There's no sense in which the Quran allows there. You you're not going to read the Quran and think that it's it was ever okay to call Allah a father. You're not going to find that like it doesn't exist.
>> And he Allah loves Allah loves names.
He's got names left and right. He's got names falling out of his pockets. I'm this, I'm that, I'm this. I'm that. I'm this. I'm that. But I ain't a father.
Don't call me that. And oh yeah, he's he's a father. as long as you understand it's in the metaphorical sense. Yeah.
So, I changed the title to was Jesus a Muslim? Caffer Kora versus Lady Logic because I didn't know what what other women were there. And then I changed the description. Kora tries to convince Christian women, including lady logic, that Jesus was a Muslim, but ends up exposing herself as a caffer.
>> Caffer.
>> That's a fact. That's a fact, guys.
There's no there's no disputing. There's no like, oh, we're just messing with her. This is Kufur. This is unbelief according to Islam. And she's saying it's fine. So, she is spreading kufur to her fellow Muslims who are watching, convincing them, yeah, we could call God father as long as you understand. It's not in the biological sense. Hey, we could all He's our father. He's our He's our father in heaven.
>> Yeah. But hey, David, it's not just fine. It's perfect. It's perfect. So, >> hey, hey, we we should all ask Kora, can we can you go ahead and pray the Lord's Prayer for us since you believe it's fine?
>> Can you pray? Matter of fact, we want we want all you Muslims, all you fatherites who say, "We want you all to join together, record a video of yourself. We we don't Here's the thing. We don't believe you. We don't believe you take this seriously. We think you're trying to avoid >> a response, right? Which we think you're trying to avoid a criticism of your position." And so, you're just saying this stuff. I don't think you really believe it. If you want to show us that you really believe this, let's hear you recite the Lord's Prayer. Get together, join hands, join hands together, and say the Lord's Prayer for us. Go ahead.
>> Yeah. Let let us know how Let us know how much you really believe what you're claiming. Right.
>> So, yeah, >> you should you should understand our position because you're such compulsive liars. We just we don't believe anything you say because you're such liars. So, here's the situation. You could actually prove it. Pray the Lord's Prayer. Record yourselves as a group reciting the Lord's Prayer. Let's see it.
>> Man, I can't believe she g a new nickname. That's a way better nickname than Kora the Cafra. Kafra is the feminine. So she's Kora the Kafra.
That's that's way better than what she currently. By the way, her current name um it's Kora the Tami. The Ta the word Tami is actually in the it's in the masculine. So she actually is referring to herself as masculine. It should be Tamia, but I don't think she knows Arabic. So she uh >> What should I keep? I put caffa. Should I make it caffodora?
>> Yeah.
>> Or keep her with the masculine.
>> Keep Oh, yeah. Masculine matches the taming thing that she currently has. But yeah, Caffa, you could do that. Yeah, you can do that. That That's it.
>> Capricora. Hey, Capricorna. It almost sounds like Capricorn. Now she Now she's into astrology. Might as well might as well. You could just make up anything and say it lines up with Islam. So astrology is all is uh is fine. You're capricora is a Capricorn.
>> Why we believe that Jesus was not a Muslim?
Allah rejects being a father in every sense. How can the Jesus that taught us to pray to our father, that's how we taught us to pray? How can he be Muslim?
>> Okay, perfect. So, first off, that's actually based off of a false presupposition. Allah does not negate being a father and >> you see this. She went, "Oh my goodness, look at this. I I like these cutaways to audience reactions. This is awesome.
>> How can he be Muslim?"
>> Okay, perfect. So, first off, that's actually based off of a false presupposition. Allah does not negate being a father in every single sense. He negates being a father in the ontological sense. The sense that you Christians believe today, which is that Jesus proceeds from the essence of God or that the child of God in this instance, the son of God proceeds from his essence and thus is identical to that essence. I just want to make sure that you're you believe that >> she may she may be asking for the clarification because I want the clarification too.
>> So you're saying so Kora you're saying as long as someone doesn't mean in the ontological sense of sharing the same essence you're fine with it. Islam is fine with it.
>> Wow. Is >> that what you're saying? So that would be notice that would be fine with adoption, right? Allah adopted a son. So totally fine, right? Or he he picked someone he liked a lot and made him his son.
>> Muhammad, he he decided, hey, I really like Muhammad, so I'm going to call him my son. He's my son now.
>> That's f that's fine, right? It's only it's only in the onlogical sense of sharing the same essence that Islam is rejecting. Kora is seriously saying we we I mean, my goodness, we just read Kubi.
>> Yeah. Oh, let alone the Quran. It's all over the Quran.
>> The Jews, the Jews and Christians did not mean they were children of God in the onlogical sense of sharing the same essence. That's not what they meant, >> man.
>> This is bad. Wh why why would Mus Why would Muslims be like, "Yay, do did a good job, Kora. On what planet?
She spread she's spreading sherk like a champ." Oh my goodness. There's this show, by the way, this shows how desperate they are just to claim victory in in in any way. I mean, you have a woman who is spreading sherk to other because guess what? The Christian the Christians aren't going to buy this. So, but the Muslim the Muslims who are watching, oh really, it's just in the onlogical. Guess what? They they haven't read the Quran and they don't know what the commentaries say. They don't know what their religion teaches.
All they all they're listening to is core. Oh, it's just the ontological sense, right? Sharing the same essence.
Other than that, we could God's a father, right? God their father. Oh, great. Great. Now we can start calling Allah father because we don't mean it in the onlogical sense. We can all start addressing Allah as father. Pray the Lord's prayer. Then you're fine with it, right?
>> My goodness, this is bad.
>> Allah does not reject being a father in the metaphorical sense. So proceeds from his essence and thus is identical to that essence. I just want to make sure that you're you believe that Allah does not reject being a father in the metaphorical sense. So are you saying that there's nowhere in the Quran where the Jews and Christians are referring to themselves as the children of Allah and he rejects that claim?
>> Okay, perfect. So that's actually interesting. I was going to mention in surah 5 where they are calling themselves children of Allah. What's interesting is that in the of Ib he details what type of rejection this is.
He is rejecting it in the incorrect senses. However, I want to answer the question that you had because you asked are you affirming that Allah is a sorry is not rejecting that he's a father in the metaphorical sense. I believe that the title father is something that could have been used in previous times and you can make a very probable case for that.
However, I believe that due to progression of the term's meaning and it being ascribed with false meanings such as the one that I mentioned, which is the sun proceeding from the essence of God, it was thus abregated as a title that was capable of being used. For example, we have in the Old Testament where God abrogates the title ball from himself. And the reason why >> Nope.
>> Wait, so he doesn't say that you can no longer call him ball.
>> Where does he say that?
>> In the Old Testament. It's Are you not familiar with that? Abrogation. First of all, >> what is abrogation?
>> Well, can you answer my question where you just you quoted our she just agreed that the verse is there? You you agree that he abrogates the name ball, sorry, the title ball from himself. And not only does he do that, but that shows that God is capable of if a meaning of a term or a title is skewed, he can disallow the people from using it and give them a better title. For example, in Isaiah 56, >> both points. Let me address what you brought first and then you can get both.
So when people are calling God ball, they're not talking to God the Father.
They're they're committing idolatry. So they were not speaking to Yahweh. So Yahweh is telling them, "I'm God. You will no longer refer to God as ball." So that's not abrogation. Abrogation is taking a verse out or forgetting it and then it being replaced with something like it.
>> Yeah. So abrogation. Abrogation would be the God of the Bible says, "Hey guys, call me Bal." And then that goes on for a long time and then later on he's like, "Actually, I changed my mind. You guys are just misinterpreting everything.
Don't call me Bal."
>> Yeah.
>> Not what not what's not what's going on.
>> Yeah. But I do remember seeing a part of this. I didn't know. Okay. So, this is in that section. So, I earlier I was saying I didn't see any of I actually saw this a little clip of this. Okay.
So, funny thing is is that um Yeah. So, she is getting this from the DA guys from Tik Tok. This is like their argument. She just but she doesn't know where it comes from. She doesn't know like where it is in the Bible. She's not going to say, "Oh, it's in it's in Hosea or where." She's not going to say like this. She's not going to tell you the context or why things were said that were said or leading up. But guess what?
After that time, Isaiah, God through Isaiah says that he's the husband of Israel. And guess what term is using the same exact term. So God never said that this term is is here's a term here's a name that you're going to call me and okay now you can't call me this name and oh now by the way you can call me the name again because I'm I am your husband actually I am your so this is complete misunderstanding of what's going on uh she doesn't know how to even make the argument even the da guys who use the argument they don't make it the way that she's making it um it's there's nuances that she's not making but yeah so but Christina's man she's got her on this point this is this is a two points she got on two two points >> and let's see >> refer to God as ball. So that's not abrogation. Abrogation is taking a verse out or forgetting it and then it being replaced with something like it or better. And that's according to your sources.
>> Okay, perfect. That that's exactly why I was going to tie to Isaiah 56. Right. So Isaiah 56, God is speaking to his people and he says explicitly that I will give you guys a name better than sons and daughters. Right? So let me ask you, what is the name better than sons and daughters that Isaiah 56 is speaking about?
>> HOW IS THAT RELEVANT? I >> was what >> did you catch that? How is that?
>> So this is Kora. What's a better name than sons and daughters? What's a better name than sons of daughter? How is that relevant? You've made multiple completely ridiculous claims. You're saying that according to Islam, according to Islam, God you can call God father. And they pointed and and she's pointing out all Islam denies is in the ontological sense of having the same essence. Christina said, "What are you saying that according to the Quran it's fine for Christians and Jews to call?" because they don't mean it in the onlogical sense of sharing the same message. Are you saying that's fine? Oh, what I'm really saying is that it was okay at some point in time, but then Allah realized people weren't understanding.
He didn't know the future. He didn't know that people for all time are going to completely misunderstand this and that people are going to be committing sherk for, you know, for for for thousands and thousands of years. He didn't know. He didn't know. So, but then he saw his mistake. He realized, oh man, I was I was having them call me father. Oh man, now everyone thinks I'm like a father in an ontological sense. I just, you know, I I I need to correct this and then and so she says, "So it was fine, but then it was abregated."
Really? You got anything that said anything that where this is said this is this is abregated? This is abregated.
No, they make that up because of the Islamic dilemma and they want to affirm, oh general general confirmation, but God being fathers all over Old Testament and New Testament. So they that would be part of the general the general meaning of the Bible and and then she wants to say but God used to be fine being called Bal and so then he changed it so he can abregate a name. Total nonsense >> and she gets called on that and then it's well there can be something better than being called sons and daughters of God. So what's that? What the heck are you talking about?
>> Yeah. By the way, it's so funny because she's talking about Isaiah 56. Well, it's Isaiah 54 where God says that. So, the word the word Bal can mean master, Lord, but also means husband as well.
And so, Isaiah 54, that's where God says he's their husband. It uses the word ba there. The same exact word that she's saying God in Hosea, which which was before the time of Isaiah, supposedly abrogated. So, so Hosea is supposedly abrogating um Bal from uh from usage.
And then Isaiah who comes after God speaks through Isaiah saying I I'm your husband which is uh you know same word.
Um and then she goes oh and by the way and also two two chapters after God well obviously like in the original it's not chapter it's like in the same scroll like a little bit later God says that there's a better name. There's a better name. What does she think that I don't even know what she's getting at here.
What does she think the name is? What does she think that this better name is?
What does Kora think it is? Is it Allah?
Is that what is that the what does she think? I don't know. I have no idea where she's getting going with this.
>> Yeah, it's better, man. Just completely generic. The god. It's so much better.
>> All right.
>> Yeah.
>> Asking correct.
>> Hold on. Let me finish right quick. The I will give you guys a name better than sons and daughters. Right. So, let me ask you, what is the name better than sons and daughters that Isaiah 56 is speaking about?
>> How is that relevant? I'm asking because correct. Hold on. Let me finish right quick and then I'll let you have the floor. I really want to know what this correct sense that Allah can be referred >> what's up.
>> Okay. So I I didn't hear how she worded this the first time. So she's saying I I'll give she's saying that I'll give you a name that's better than uh sons and daughters. The everlasting name that God mentioned Isaiah 56. But so I think what she's thinking is I mean she didn't say it but I think what she's thinking is this servants or slaves is better than sons and daughters. Muslim. Doesn't that remind you of the words of Jesus >> when he says, "Oh, Muslims." Oh, is it Muslims?
>> No, I'm guessing that's wants to say that what would be better would be called Muslims.
>> Yeah, but all but they were they were supposedly all Muslims already. That's what they that's already Muslims. So, okay, let's see.
>> Uh, let me back this up. And I mean, it's I mean, Christina's Christina's doing the uh get over here again, right?
>> Yeah, >> she did. She did the get over here, right? No. Why are you saying that this is okay, right?
>> Yeah.
>> Not all these gymnastics. Watch. Watch Christina here, guys. She pulls her uh she pulls her famous Get over here.
>> Speaking about how is that relevant? I'm asking the correct Hold on. Let me finish right quick and then I'll let you have the floor. I really want to know what this correct sense that Allah can be referred to as a father is. And if so, can Allah also be referred to as a mother?
>> No.
>> Why?
>> The answer is because there is no well estab Oh my goodness. You catch that? Oh, I want to play that again. I might want to play that five times. So, if you're saying, you know, just a metaphorical sense, well, can we call can we call can we call Allah mother?
>> Because, you know, he like he like produced, you know, he he he like he gave metaphorically gave birth to everything by creating it, right? So we call him we call her mother, right? Call her mama. Mama. Huh? Mama. Mama.
She's just I don't know what's going to happen after this, but she is already just like massively burnt up here. This is bad, guys. Everything she's saying is wrong and qualifies her as a caffer.
Spreading kofer to her fellow Muslims and Muslims. Yay. Great job, Kora.
because we can't admit that you're really screwing up here.
>> And he says explicitly that I will give you guys a name better than sons and daughters. Right. So, let me ask you, what is the name better than sons and daughters that Isaiah 56 is speaking about?
>> How is that relevant? I'm asking because correct. Hold on. Let me finish right quick and then I'll lay it on the floor.
I really want to also in Isaiah, God is referred to as father as well. So, what is she talking about? She thinks that that is is there I'm trying to think where she's going with this. Does he think that sons and daughters is going to like as a as it's going to be abregated like God is not going to have the relationship anymore even though God himself is called the father in Isaiah.
But anyway, yeah. So, >> no, it's just weird because he says, "I'll give you a name better, a memorial and a name better than sons and daughters. I'll give you an everlasting an everlasting name."
>> Everlasting name. Yeah.
>> Yeah. So, and she's apparently thinking this is what? Abregating sons and daughter. This is >> I have no idea what she's got.
>> Let's find out.
>> Give you guys a name better than sons and daughters. Right. So, let me ask you, what is the name better than sons and daughters that Isaiah 56 is speaking about?
>> How is that relevant? I'm asking >> correct. Hold on. Let me finish right quick and then I'll let you have the floor. I really want to know what this correct sense that Allah can be referred to as a father is and if so can Allah also be referred to as a mother.
>> No why the answer is because there is no wellestablished evidence that that was ever allowed. The reason why I am even granting that in a sense is because you can make a historical case that this was something that took place in the time of the children of Israel. No isn't correct.
>> So guys >> again the Islamic dilemma forcing >> this is Islamic dilemma forcing them into this position because otherwise you if if Allah in the Quran says don't call me father not in any sense then you then nor you know 101 15 years ago Muslims would have just said okay everywhere that God is called father in the Bible old test or new testament was all corrupted it was all corrupted because God doesn't let you call him father period. now because we've been pushing the Islamic dilemma which they've only got a couple ways to go. But the way that you know Kora's crew goes is it's just it's general confirmation. Not every little detail, but general confirmation. Okay, that's part of the general teaching of the Bible that God is your father in heaven. So, what do you do with it? Oh, it must have been okay then but not now. And she she really didn't get the point because Christina replies, "Oh, if it's just a metaphorical sense in terms of God being like a father in a sense, in a metaphorical sense, could we then describe Allah call Allah mother?"
Because in a metaphorical sense, he produced us all the way a mother produces a child. So why can't we just call God mother? And she says, "Well, there's no historical precedent for that."
>> And you're missing the point. If it was okay to refer to God as father in a metaphorical sense, it's because a metaphorical meaning was okay. Well, guess what? You can also have a metaphorical meaning. You can also have a metaphorical meaning of God being mother.
>> Yeah.
>> And and by the way, you even do have precedent for that in the Bible.
>> Um Yeah.
>> Like even with, you know, I I I want to gather you as a as a as a hen gathers her gathers her young and stuff like that. Okay.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Yep.
>> That's true. Um, by the way, uh, yes, this is actually really funny. So, so the the the anti-fatherite, um, kind of group on Tik Tok, they actually came up with a bunch of different examples of this as well. They were using like they were saying like a chair. Oh, can you call Allah a chair?
Cuz, you know, a chair gives you support a lot. So, they were just giving like whatever, whatever like crazy example you could think of. Some they were even saying like toilet and they were saying all sorts of things like whatever you can give a meaning to and say you know give some positive spin on it like oh well you could say that Allah is a chair because he gives you stability he gives you support so can you call Allah a chair and they were just going and so this ended up being their response which which is what Corora is giving now which is like oh there's no precedence for that and and you know but but like you said the concept the principle is is there if the idea is that this could have a metaphorical meaning to where it is communicating you something that God is in a positive way even though it's not literally you know it's it's it's not literally the case but you it kind of conveys this true meaning then you can do it and so that principle applies then you you have all these you have all these different things >> hey um Jai let's see if you get this right what's the Dawa guys favorite chapter in the book of Isaiah >> uh 42 >> 42 you say >> by golly I Think I'm going to have to put this up on the screen. Uh >> oh.
>> Uh >> oh. Might need this up on the screen.
Jai.
>> Okay. All right.
>> Now, no. What What chapter did you say their favorite was?
>> Isaiah 42. They love it.
>> Their favorite chapter. And And uh didn't Kora just bring up Isaiah 40? I mean, the book of Isaiah.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> And isn't she trying to build her case on something from Isaiah here?
>> She sure is. Huh. Okay. Let me get this up. Wasn't intending on that because we didn't know this was going to happen.
But since they brought it up, >> I had to go grab I had to go grab the passage, guys. You ready for this? Grab Isaiah. Okay, let's see. You see this?
You see this servant of the Lord, right?
This there's their favorite passage in Isaiah because they twist this into a prophecy about Muhammad. So, they have to grant that this is the the word of God, right?
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> So, this has to be the word of God. This is their main prophecy from the book of Isaiah. And this is one of the two earliest claims that we know of about Muhammad in the Bible. So we've got Iban Assak, we got Iban Asak using the Gospel of John. And we have in the Hadith where Muhammad's companions were asked where is he? Where is he in the Torah and they go to Isaiah 42. Why is this relevant? Well, let's just keep reading here. Okay, so this is the word of God everyone. This the word of God according to Muslims. Mhm.
>> Word of God according to Muslims. Oh, look. This is this is Yahweh speaking.
Verse 14, he says, "For a long time, I have kept silent. I have been quiet and held myself back. But now, like a woman in childbirth, >> like a woman in childbirth, aka a mother, I cry out, I gasp, and pant. I will lay waste the mountains and hills."
So he's describing it like uh like like a again a a woman giving a woman giving birth, right? Like oh this is really really really really really a dramatic painful situation here. Uh, but that's how so. Uh, oh, sorry. Sorry, Kora. You do have biblical precedent in the exact same book you brought up in the very favorite chapter in that book that Muslim Dawa clowns love to go to and God compares himself to a mother giving child birth. O so following her following the exact same reasoning that she just offended we can call Allah mother right >> yes the very she appealed to as well >> and Jai do you recall the Quran abregating that Allah can be called mother don't call me mother uh oh that so that one wasn't abrogated so you can only call Allah mother but not father now cuz father was abrogated mother wasn't thank you Cora you are doing a bangup job here Sister, >> that is tough.
>> This is painful. Painful.
>> All right, guys. We got a new response to the Oh, a lot.
>> We've got We're going to have the mother rightites now. We got the father rightites. And now we're going to have Kora leading the charge of the mothers.
>> Cora, the caffera leading leading the mothers. Oh my goodness. This is awesome stuff.
Awesome. Awesome stuff. All right, let's get back into this.
And that if I'm I'm the one speaking so if evidence that that was ever allowed the reason why I am even referred to as a father is and if so can Allah also be referred to as a mother.
>> No why the answer is because there is no wellestablished evidence that that was ever allowed. The reason why I am even granting that in a sense is because you can make a historical case that this was something that took place in the time of the children of Israel. We just showed you in the book you went to in your favorite chapter. The favorite chapter of all all da clowns. Uh oh. Look. Hey. Hey. Here we go. So, we got uh Allah is mother Lilith. Hang on. Hang on. We had some good We had some good We had some good comments coming in. We had some good comments coming in.
>> Uh so, we got And then we got >> Um Oh, wow. Uh and you have the mother of the book and you have >> we got Kafricora strikes again. Mother writes Allah is Allah is a mommy.
Oh wow. Wow. Allah has Allah's new name acquired. Mama. Dude. We're not letting this go. Look. We got Sugar Mama.
>> Oh wow.
>> Mama Allah. We're not letting them get away with this guys. We're not letting them get away. We're not letting them get away from this ever. For ever.
>> I can't believe it's in Isaiah, too. The very book >> in their favorite chapter. Their favorite chapter.
>> Their favorite chapter.
>> Wow.
>> Oh. Allah is mommy according to Kora. Oh gosh. This is bad. This is bad. Muslims, these are the these are the guys you're cheering for. And now And now Allah is a mommy. Oh wow. No, not father, but mama.
in the time of the children of Israel.
Now is it correct in that time that if I'm I'm the one speaking so >> referred to you as a mother?
>> No. Why?
>> The answer is because there is no wellestablished evidence that that was ever allowed. The reason why I am even granting that in a sense is because you can make a historical case that this was something that took place in the time of the children of Israel. And so Cora, you're ignorant of what it says cuz you're just memorizing the script that that uh that the guys are giving you.
>> But if we could make this if we can make the case >> and we can't you can't even deny it.
What are you going to do? Toss out Isaiah 42. It was it's a it was made up.
Isaiah 42.
>> They got to reject it now.
>> That's that that's that's in Bkari.
That's in Bkari that that's from God, >> man.
By the way, I I I want I just want to emphasize even more. I want to emphasize even more on this that that this is because of the Islamic dilemma when she's saying historical evidence.
Historical evidence. What's the historical evidence? The Bible. That's the that's the evidence. Like this is the evidence that she's going to and she's saying that this is actually you're able to make a case based on what the Bible says. And she's forced to do that because of the Islamic dilemma. So, aloha. That's what Wow. Yeah. There you go guys. Allah has acquired a new name.
A new movement has been given birth to >> the Motherites.
>> Yo, Allah does have a job.
>> That's true.
>> We're going to make sense of all this.
Hey, look. Look who we got here. We got Lady Logic.
>> Hey, Lady Logic. Uh, thank you for that.
You just forced Kora to admit that Allah is a mommy.
>> You just inspired a whole new movement.
A whole new movement.
>> This No, seriously. This is This is like, >> can you imagine? And I almost didn't watch this cuz I wanted to get to I wanted to get to the one the one the Muslims were saying the crucifixion almost didn't watch this and here we we we we check it out and you're like you've got Kora proving that for all time now we can make fun of their argument by saying that according to their argument Allah's a mama and that wasn't abregated. Allah never Allah doesn't say don't call him mama but it's still it's still from it's still it's still it's never been abregated. still applies. Allah's a mama. Mama law.
>> Wow.
>> Okay, perfect.
>> Okay, perfect. That's what someone say.
Hey, you just proved that Allah is a mama. Oh, perfect. Perfect. Perfect.
>> Hey, you know how that you know how they have the shirt with Osman and it says what's a debate. They should have a shirt with a with a like a like a silhouette of like, you know, and then say say okay, perfect. And then put like a mother mother. Wait, we we'll do something with this. We'll do something with this. I got some ideas.
>> Look at this. Jenna equals big mama.
Jenna equals big mama's house.
>> Big mama.
>> The Islamic dilemma.
>> Look at this. Look at this. Is a lot halfbrain. Then this is why you got to read the comments, man.
>> Oh, that's awesome.
>> They think of stuff like like I'm a pretty creative guy sometimes when it comes to making fun of stuff, but they they just they just they come up with all kinds of things, man. Yeah. I'm gonna have to >> the Islamic dilemma. That needs to be That's perfect. The Islamic dilemma.
That is That is perfect. Whoever Whoever did that, that was a genius idea.
>> The Islamic dilemma. And then you play this clip and you put like a bunch of other Muslim clips from the fathers and then you show them the mama. The the mama the lama.
>> We We got We got to roll with this one, man. We got to roll with this one forever. We got the fatherites and the mother rightites. Now the motherites. Uh uh yeah. everyone. Uh I tons tons of awesome comments there. I'm going to go through them later and we'll uh we'll put something together. We'll put something together on this classic. This is classic. No, I'm not going to screenshot it. I'm just going to say it all and take credit for it. That's what I do. People come up with funny stuff, I say it, and then everyone says, "Oh, David, you're so funny." And I'll just I don't tell them I I stole it from everyone else.
>> I'm saying you screenshot so you can go back and reference it later on so you know.
>> No, because I mean, no, I can go through the chat later on. So, I'll go through the chat and I'll I'll take notes on everything, come up with all the hilarious things and then we'll start the new uh new clan of the Motherites.
Thank you, Kora. We could Kora.
>> I in a thousand years would have never thought of this. I would have never thought of this ever. I would have never thought Christina Christina brought it up. So, you call can you call God a mother? No. No. No. No. No. And that then when C when Cord denied it, I was like, there are some passages. There are some passages where where Wait a minute.
I pulled it up. I wasn't I didn't remember where it was from. It's in Isaiah, but I look at his Wait, 42? It's in 42 where he said that. Oh, >> the same book. The same.
>> Oh, wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Thank you.
>> The Maites have been born.
>> The m The motherites. The motherites. Oh my goodness.
>> Jenna is big mama's house. Big mama law.
You're never getting away from this, Kora. You're going down in history. This is what you will be remembered for forever, Kora. Forever.
>> History, guys. The mamaite. The mamaite.
The motherite.
>> The mother of the mother.
>> And that's in addition to her already being a caffer.
>> That's true. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> So, she's a caffer. It's like it's like these need to be called uh count the ways. Count the way. Count how many ways Kora becomes a caffer in every one of in every one of these little debates. And the Muslims I mean and the Muslims just don't care because they they're they're struggling so bad right now. They have to root for for everyone. Oh, let's see if they root for you when we uh spread the clan of the Mothers, the Muslim clan of the Mothers. Good times.
>> Correct in that.
>> Grant that if I'm I'm the one speaking.
If we grant that if it was correct in that specific instance, it would have been correct in that specific meaning.
So, and the reason why perfect in the sense that creator, sustainer, the one who creator without being a father.
>> Wait, hold on. The way that they were using it was in the context of a creator or a sustainer or essentially a >> bism.
Oh, wow.
>> Hey, hey, Jai. Hey, Jai. Recite. Recite the recite the bismal with uh >> the bism bismama or >> you need a you need the feminine versions of everything.
>> The way that they were using it was in the context of a creator or a sustainer or essentially a a slave and a master relationship.
>> Say we only see any reference to that in Hosea and he's specifically correcting that. He said you will no longer call me Ball. Do you know who Ball is?
>> Yeah. I believe that that was a false god that the Cananites worshiped.
Correct. Um she's saying that he's saying that uh father just meant you know uh in the Old Testament times the times of Israel where it was allowed that it only he said it only meant like a slave to master kind of relationship.
So it's kind of funny she knows what we say about the Quran and she's trying to paint it onto the Bible but Jesus actually specifically rejects that. He says the difference between a sla a servant a slave and a son. He said a servant does not abide in the house forever but a son does. So there's a difference Kora between what Jesus defines a son a son as a child of God as and a slave as.
So it's not what she's saying. Uh I know she's trying really hard and she's she's being fed this stuff as well. Obviously none of these ideas are original to her.
She's just being fed this stuff. But just think about it. Think about it.
>> Cora got to go to some better better trainers. Cora cuz she's working.
>> You are swimming. You are swimming in an ocean of sherk right now. All thanks to who? Who told you? Malik, did Malik do this to you? Malik, we told you. We told you what would happen if you if you uh stick with Malik. We told you.
We told you. And now you're going down in history as the person who started this response. Do you have any clue what this is going to do to the father?
Notice a as we pointed out multiple times.
>> Yeah. So, I mean, think about this, right? You've got all these like new Muslim apologists who are fatherites because they start saying, "Okay, yeah, since the Quran is affirming in a general sense, the uh the Jewish and Christian scriptures and God is a father everywhere in those scriptures. Yep. We have to grant that God is a father." But that doesn't line up with Islam. So, it was abregated. It was abregated. And they love going that because they want to block the objection. They want to block the objection. Well, now Kora, thanks to you and Lady Logic for making you say this.
>> Mhm.
>> Now, when they say, "What?
It's okay to call him a father." They're all cooked. They're all cooked.
Everyone's going to be saying this instantly.
>> He's a mother now. So, Allah's a mother, right? Allah's a Allah's mama. And he didn't abregate that.
>> Oh my goodness.
>> Because, guys, that is the go-to response. There's no precedence for this. There's no historical evidence.
Well, David just showed you Isaiah uh 42. There you go. It's right there.
Bring that to them. And there you go.
The Motherite movement has been birthed.
>> There is no God but Mal and Muhammad is his >> mom.
>> Muhammad is his J. Smith J. Smith was reading it wrong. It's actually Mhammed.
>> Hey, look. Hey, look. And that's called the Shihana.
>> I told you these guys are smart, man.
These guys are awesome. Oh, this is so cool. And guys, I'm just like glancing.
I'm just glancing over at the stuff people are saying. And this is what everyone's coming up with. This is going to be an awesome video. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Kora. Thank you.
>> This is genius, man. This is amazing.
>> Legendary. You are legend status now, Kora. Legend status.
>> Or essentially a a slave and a master relationship.
>> Say we only see any reference to that in Hosea. And he's specifically correcting that. And he said, "You will no longer call me Ball." Do you know who Ball is?
>> Yeah. I believe that that was a false god that the Cananites worshiped.
Correct.
>> Yes. Yes. And that was they were a false god that they were doing sex orgies with. Do you believe that any point in time that God Yahweh the father was okay with?
>> No.
>> Okay. So, >> absolutely not.
>> So, he never allowed for them to call him Ball.
>> But what does Ball mean?
>> You tell me.
>> Okay. Does Ball not mean husband?
>> It it does, but >> Okay, perfect. So, do you believe that there was ever an instance in which that name would have been okay to have been used prior to, for example, this being a false god that the Canonites worship?
>> Hey, Kora, if you're saying that the real meaning is that it's okay to refer at one point to refer to Allah as husband, can we refer to him as wife?
Uhoh.
Hey, look at this.
Your mama joke suddenly has a different meaning from a Muslim point of view. And hey, >> oh, so this was the battle of your mama.
This is what it was all about.
>> That's what I'm saying. This is the battle of Yama, right? They were fighting over over whether they should just call Allah mama from now on.
>> The historic battle of the This was the fallites in the >> Yeah, that was uh Yeah. So you had you had the you had the Muslims march out and then the other guys were just saying your mama, your mama, your mama, you guys worship your mama. What's wrong with you? Your mama. And they fought the battle of your mama.
That's that is Wow. This makes sense now.
>> It is rare. It is rare because we've been through everything. It's rare to come up with something this epic >> and it's and it's new. It's just totally new.
>> We didn't have We didn't have this before. Now we've got something huge.
>> Wow.
>> Thank you. Hey Cora, you got you got >> not the mother of believers.
>> Yeah. You got smoked on everything else.
I've heard I've heard I've heard Muslims think you did well in the debate about the crucifixion, but no matter what happens, no matter what happens, this is what you'll be remembered for.
>> Wow.
>> So, hats off. Hats off to you for going there. Let's see.
>> Is the meaning Wait, is the meaning correct?
>> I'm not sure what you're asking.
>> Yeah. So when we say B, you agree that we're >> not Yahweh allowing them to call him under the name of Bal. But also I also want to just say right now you started the prompt with Jesus was a Muslim and then you got you changed it to a question. Why don't you believe Jesus is a Muslim? The burden of proof is on you.
Tell us all 20 Christians in >> and by the way this is this is good cuz I mean Christina was like get over here right? She's like nope you're you're going off topic and but she she's doing it too. This this woman's doing it too.
She's calling her back and she's like recapping. Do you realize what you did?
You start off with this claim. We respond. You go in this direction, then we respond. Then you go here, then you go here.
>> Yeah, >> it's the da dodge, guys.
>> Remember back to the first topic. She did that like five times. Like literally five times. And so here she is doing it again and again. And yeah, that that was my thing too as well. Like as soon as I heard it, I was like, wait, she's she's putting the burden on them when she's the one making the claim that she should be the one defending something here.
>> Imagine denying your queen of heaven.
Oh boy, here we go.
>> The name of Ball. But also, I also want to just say right now, you started the prompt with Jesus was a Muslim and then >> Hey, wait. Someone said, someone said it's the it's the hikma. The ma hikma.
They said Kora has the hikmma.
>> We got We got your mama's so stupid.
She's a law.
>> That's That's what started the war, man.
That's what started the war.
>> We got Mashila.
Oh my goodness. And everyone here dying laughing here. Get ready because guys, we're just we're we're we're seeing this. We're This is brand new. We're seeing this for the first time. We're realizing all the all the sick burns we're going to be able to come up with as a result of this and looking forward to it. I don't even want to finish watching this. I want to go get started on a video about this, but we'll go ahead. Someone said her someone said her her mama is going to be proud of her >> her mama.
>> Oh, one second. Uh oh.
>> Oh man.
>> Oh, where'd it go? I just lost it. Oh, here you go. The tampons on the leather strap of the anus.
>> Oh.
>> Oh, that one's too far. He said he saw it. He saw it was going too far.
>> Too far, man.
>> Oh my goodness.
Oh, wow. These are awesome. Awesome.
Awesome.
Oh, bal means mommy. You see >> this is the proof.
Thank you.
>> Can you believe I almost didn't even do this, man?
>> Dude, had this awesomeness, man. This one of the best. This is one of the best. This one of the best live streams ever because of this as terms of how fun it is.
>> You see how God works? You see how God works? It's amazing.
>> Awesome.
>> Mama mama. Here we go.
>> Yahweh allowing them to call him under the name of Bal. But also, I also want to just say right now, you started the prompt with Jesus was a Muslim. And then you got you changed it to a question.
Why don't you believe Jesus is a Muslim?
The burden of proof is on you to tell us all 20 Christians in this room today.
Why do you believe Jesus was a Muslim?
Because you're making a claim about our Lord and Savior. So, the burden of proof is on you.
>> Perfect. The reason why I asked why you guys don't believe is because I wanted to let you guys start leading the conversation, right? and giving you reasons why. But we can go.
>> You wanted them to start leading. You liking where they led you, Kora? Cuz they led you into all kinds of sherk.
>> And a future legendary response that Christians around the world will be using forever. Endless your mama jokes every time you guys bring up this fatherite stuff.
>> That's what you get. That's what you get for letting them lead you and then they cornered you senseless >> and start with the reasons why I believe that Jesus was a Muslim. Obviously external to the Bible I believe that this theology is reflected within the Quran. I believe that Jesus is explicitly called a servant of God and he explicitly identifies himself as such that he is a submitter to God. And not only does it do that, but it also says that the people who followed him in graciousness and righteousness were also Muslims. Right?
>> This be really hard to focus. This is going to be really hard to focus. Mama knows best. Allah knows.
>> This is going to be really hard to get back on.
>> Oh well.
>> Oh well.
>> Great. Where to crazy crazy. I can't even pay attention anymore to what's going on. Back it up a little bit. Here we go. implicitly identifies himself as such that he is a submitter to God. And not only does it do that, but it also says that the people who followed him in graciousness and righteousness were also Muslims, right? But the main point that I want to make because I want to tie back to what you said lowercase M and uppercase M. So when the reason why I specified submitter to the one true God is because I wanted to make sure that there was no confusion on what I meant by Muslim.
When I say Muslim, I don't mean somebody who uh does pilgrimage and somebody who gives zakats today and somebody who accepts the Quran.
>> I got to back it up. I can't even pay attention, guys. All right, I have I have to ignore your comments. We got to ignore the comments. We can we can review them later. We have this. But I like this. We could get we could get we could get hats or shirts that that say mama make Allah mother again.
Get it? Mama, make Allah mother again, guys.
>> That's That's the movement. That's the Motherite movement. the motheright movement that Kora started.
>> Oh wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow.
>> The reason why >> I specified submitter to the one true God is because I wanted to make sure that there was no confusion on what I meant by Muslim. When I say Muslim, I don't mean somebody who uh does pilgrimage and somebody who gives zakat today and somebody who accepts the Quran and so on and so forth. Because we believe in different shar for different people and Sharia means law, different laws for different people. So for different people, specific things were obligatory. We believe that when Jesus came, he abregated some things from the law before him and he made permissible some things. That's a difference in law.
So in the time of Jesus, what it would have meant to be a Muslim would be to abide by the revelation that he was given by God in that specific time. And obviously I believe that. And in Surah 19, it also says that Jesus was proclaiming that he was a blessing everywhere he went. So you guys agree that Jesus is a blessing. Well, let me ask you a question before you ask us another question. So, for example, why would I say Moses is a Muslim >> if he comes from, you know, the the Old Testament? Uh, the Torah does not reflect at all anything the Kalam says.
And so, I just am confused right now because it just doesn't make sense. You know, the religion came centuries after Jesus was here. So, I'm just I'm lost.
Like, I don't understand. That would be like me saying I'm Chinese and then 600 years later they're like no you African.
It's like >> they're just making fun of her now. Look at this moto with your momo.
>> Oh gosh. Oh gosh.
>> They're just clowning on Kora now.
>> This is one of the best things I've ever seen in my entire life. Man, >> are people hyping this up? This should be this should be way more exciting.
This is like the best one.
>> Oh, we're going to hype it, Jai. We're going to hype it. We need to We need to make some stuff. We need to make some stuff. Oh, well. Well, well.
>> Great. I'm I'm like, man, I got tears.
I'm crying. Oh, man. This is hilarious.
>> Oh, wow.
>> I'm crying.
>> I've I've only se I've only looked at like a fraction of the comments. I'm going to go through them all later. Uh oh my goodness. This is uh Hang on.
Let's Let's take a breather here for a second. Go through Go through some super chats.
>> M's the word.
>> Oh.
>> Oh, boy.
Uh, let's see. Why is she dressed like a Sith guard? That's kind of cool. That's kind of cool. Maybe she's uh maybe she's like Mike Winger and all that Star Wars nonsense. Uh, lying is haram. Tea is halal. Allah akir. This is before.
I'm sure this would have been a mother joke if it had been.
>> Yeah.
>> Because Allah abandoned all his children, he owes child support, but he's broke and needs a loan. Won't somebody give him a goodly loan? He needs a goodly loan.
Uh Da guys saying the women are dressed unbiblically.
Meanwhile, their hero is committing sherk like it's a sport.
>> The auto mom.
>> The auto mom.
You are so toast, Cora. You are so toast. You are in so much trouble right now. I did a good job. I did a good job of this debate. You just destroyed the their main response to the Islamic dilemma with this. Every every time they try and bring it up now, it's going to be endless. Y your mama jokes. And you you did this by thinking you could go by Malik convincing you. Yeah. Yeah, you could do it. Cora, you could do it. Hey Chad, can Cora do it? Hey Chad, hey Chad, can Cora do it?
>> Allah does not want to pay child support. That is very powerful.
Um, how would you counter Muslims saying Matthew 2:23 is not in the Old Testament? Kora is on her channel saying this is a false prophecy. Uh, if if you said Muslims, if if you kind if it was an atheist or something saying that, I would actually respond. If it's Muslims saying it, I'm going to I'm going to say Islamic dilemma. Um, what are you doing?
You're complaining about the scriptures that your God affirms as his inspired word. That's how I respond.
>> Yeah. Exactly.
>> Yeah. This is this is um anyway we don't have to go into too much detail but this is it's not saying one prophet it's saying the the prophets as a whole and you basically you go back to Isaiah 11 the the the the nuts the the branch and you look at all like Jeremiah talking about the branch Zar talks about the branch all the prophets talking about this branch Isaiah 11 it's called the nuts it's like a it's like a play on words and that's what it means the the he'll be called a Nazarene he's the branch the one that comes Yeah. So that's that's the one that's the Messiah. It's a basically a messianic title. It's messianic title.
>> Read John 8:56. That shows Abraham is a Christian, not Muslim. Correct. Meaning he believed in Jesus Christ, Christianity, Islam dismantled. Yeah, if you pay attention to what it's actually saying, they would have to twist it in some way and say, "No, it's saying something else. It means something else." Um, Mo was Muslim because he submitted to 30 alzm.
He's a submitter to the alz. That's good. Oh, >> one who submits. So, by the transit of property, if every is every club full of leatherclad submissives also a place of worship? It would have to be. They're all submitting. Yep. That's how everyone's born Muslim. Newborns have no choice but to submit to everyone. You see, this is the proof. Everyone is born Muslim. Oh, I'm stealing that.
Hey, white trash panda. I know we met up in Michigan. We're cool and stuff, but I'm going to steal that. And uh most of what I steal I never give credit for.
But I'm honest that I steal stuff from everybody and then uh don't give credit for it. So uh when I use that >> come back to the stream time stamp it and there you go. You got it.
>> Yeah, that's how you do it. That's how you do it. You like I I use I use your point or I use your joke. I give no credit. People praise me and say, "Wow, that's so powerful, David. That's so awesome. You're so funny." And then you take a clip of that and you say, "Here's David where he got it from me." And then uh and that'll blow up and but but put it David Wood copying because he's so stupid and then and then the dowel guys will start uh sharing it.
Okay, perfect. Equals don't care. Not listening. So I'm going to deflect from the topic I brought up. I brought up and the question you just asked me. I know.
Oh, that's Kora. The new the new face of DA. How do you guys detox from this? Her lies are giving me cognitive dissonance.
Yeah, it gets annoying. But then you get these You get gems like that. Absolutely gold.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> You you you you you got to That's just like life, guys. You got to endure the pain for the reward, right?
>> There you go. There you go.
>> If I mean, just think we could have watched two minutes of this and said, "This is the stupidest nonsense ever."
>> She's She didn't even defend her position. She tried to flip it on them and give them the b put the burden of proof on them. Not interested. And then we wouldn't have had this right now.
>> If Mojab is the king of Da, David is the armchair general of apologetics. Yeah.
No, that's why it's just crazy that that's why it's just crazy that we do better than him when it's just like off the cuff and and and I don't know what to do, man. People who believe in Hey, Nordine. As soon as I see Yuja, people who believe in Yuju Majude need prayer, not arguments. You don't argue with people who are out of their minds. You need to restore their uh sanity. Well, nor well Nordine, uh, first of all, most Muslims here have no clue what you're talking about. They're not familiar with this. They don't they don't know about this stuff. So, we have to bring it up to them. Show them why it's stupid and insane first and then see how they react. Even worse, Matthew 23:9 says that you are to call no one else father but God. Relevant both to this discussion and the orthobros.
Um, she's the red ninja of the caffer clan.
Now the mama clan. It was the caffer clan first. Now it's the mama clan.
Allah is solid from waist down metaphorically. Yeah. Uh, all famous people before Islam were Muslims.
Alexander is also praying to Allah in the Quran. Humanity's greatest king was Muslim. So Jesus was Muslim too. Lol.
This is Islam, guys. That's Islam. The council of Kora. the council of core over there.
>> The motheright the motheright doctrine of the motheright came from >> your point about Muslims going to the Bible and just picking and choosing is incredibly accurate. Zucker Nike when interviewed by Sneo said that he has over 200 verses from Hindu scriptures of prophecy. 200 verses from Hindu scriptures of prophecies of Muhammad.
Yep, he does.
>> He argues that with Hindus.
>> I've seen him do that. Yeah, I've seen him do that.
>> And why shouldn't he? He's a Hindu. He believes in Hindu scriptures.
>> He is a Hindu. Yeah. Yeah, change the Hindu.
>> Ask Muslims if they are Christians, followers of a Messiah, or worse, are they Jewish, praiser of God. Yeah, that's good. Yeah, that's a good idea, guys. If they want to use this like the derivation of the term, if the n if the ninja a Muslim marries turns out to be a transformer, will the Muslim still have to consummate the marriage in order to get a divorce? Yeah, these are just uh it's just the cost just the cost of doing uh doing this business. Okay, perfect. Gotta love the perfect.
Perfect.
Everything's from a video game. You've got Mortal Mortal Kombat. Get over here.
And then you've got perfect from Street Fighter. Isaiah 56 is saying Unix serving Yahweh will have a memorial in his house. Better than having kids.
Islamic reading comprehension.
>> Okay, perfect.
>> I thought she'd respond to that. She'd respond by saying, "Okay, perfect.
>> If it's metaphorical, could you call God a mother?" No. Why would you think?
Notice not why would you think that?
What would you think?
>> Oh, yeah. They need they need to do one of those um one of the skits like Avery or IP. You need to do one of the skits and they need to they need to incorporate this. You know how they do like the skit where they're like the Muslim teaching the guy learning about Islam.
>> Oh no.
>> Now we're at the Now we're at the super chats where it's uh >> mothers.
>> Yeah, cuz look at this. Look at this.
Right. Because this is when we're in the m when we're in the mother section.
Okay, here we go.
>> Mama mama.
Mahalum. Mahalam. Sisters. Breastfeeding for adults. Breastfeeding for adults.
Mama law. That's why you like that. Uh, baby dinosaur. Kora. Not the mama.
Uh, mahu. Akmom. Lynshall. Lynshall.
Mom. I'll hem to my mom.
Kora is in a shirt tank of her own making. Shirt tank. Oh, these are so good, man. Shark tank. She's in a Shark Tank.
>> Oh, Shark Tank.
>> Kora in the Shark Tank. Kafra Corora in the Shark Tank. Uh, welcome to the Shark Tank. That's what this That's what this should be called. The doctor Dr. Dash.
No, Shark Tank. Welcome to Shark Tank.
>> Momo was Mama's boy. Yes, he was. And he's never getting away from it now.
>> Can Allah also be a first cousin? Asking for a friend. Well, Muhammad married his first cousin. And Allah's a mama.
Ishtar. Hey, we have to now we have to wonder how can Allah how can Allah have a how can Allah have a son when he has no mate? What are you talking about?
He's himself and the mate. So he can do both. He can play both roles.
>> Yeah. I mean that's that's what that's what Muhammad said Satan does. He's got both and he just reproduces by shaking his legs basically.
>> Ishtar this. Ishtar Ishtar this Ishtar that 1400 years later. Ml >> that is correct. Uh your mama. So, don't you dare disrespect the lol.
Um, there is actually a mother of god cult that uses similar argument to argue for god the mother being part of the trinity. I've run into them in Pittsburgh.
>> Wow.
>> I I heard that a long time ago.
I made a video on my channel about God Logic's interview with with Larae and why what's going on is so important and good. This is an important time. Oh, these are important times, guys. These are very important times.
>> Indeed. Indeed. Allah is fake and Islam is false. Kora. Oh yeah, Christian.
Allah is fake and Islam is false. Okay, perfect. Perfect.
Uh, I think Kadijah is Allah. Cover me, mommy. That makes sense. That makes sense now. Why do you prefer these complex ways of criticizing Islam instead of going? I could tell.
>> Oh, I knew it.
>> Instead of going after something that's straightforward and blatant like maj.
Oh, he's gonna be really happy when we do this 18 thing. Be really Yeah, we bring up all that. We bring up all that stuff. Uh, >> yeah, he's gonna be happy. If mommy Allah breastfeeds us, will it make it halal to be in his presence? Yeah, he won't be Maham anymore.
>> Or no, he'll be Yeah. Yeah. Then we'll be okay and he doesn't have to wear his hijab around us.
>> Uh, Yama Asafat. Yamaat. Malah can't enter the door to creation. Yes. for Momo and Momo and Mama sitting in a garhead. Zu t I N G. You guys are messed up, man. Nordine equals Tarun Tash uh two number two. And then we have uh thanks for the laugh guys from Allah's Mum and Yama so Muslim she's also your auntie.
I'll leave that one up there. Okay, we got to get back to this, guys.
>> Oh, or we'll never finish. We'll never finish.
>> Okay, >> I'll try I'll try my best to pay attention, but it's very hard right now.
>> I am seriously disturbed by the fact that I almost didn't watch this.
>> My f my family went out of town, so I'm taking care of my son Paley here and stuff like that. We had a nurse come in and just like, oh, it's so much to do now. I have to do everything. Now I have to do everything. I have to do everything in the house. I had to get up. I had to get up. Uh, I only got a few hours of sleep because I had to get up, take care of them. Uh, then the nurse eventually came in. I, uh, I'm over 50 now, so I've been trying to try hit trying to get into some back into exercise. So, I ran and hit the gym, came back, ate a salad. I've eaten more salads.
>> Whoa. You ate a salad?
>> I've eaten more salads in the last month than I've eaten in my entire life.
>> Wow.
>> I basically had like three or four in my whole life. And I've had uh I've had several and I was like, "Hey, 50 sounds like a good challenge to get into shape." Anyway, point is going around doing all kinds of stuff. Got a live stream later. Uh do I really now? Should I really do this? No.
>> Yeah. If I'm doing part four tomorrow, I got to do part three. I got to do part three. And no, I don't want to come back and do it later because it'll be out of order. I just have to force myself to do it right now.
>> And then we get this. I'm >> so happy I joined this. This is >> Oh my goodness, man.
Oh my goodness. Oh wow. Wow. Wow. Wow.
Wow.
Oh, we had a couple more real quick.
Allah equals mother with preferred pronouns. They them.
Uh we got a positive of a law. Hey, positive of a law. Positive of a law.
Sarah will be with us at the uh in the 8:00 stream. The 8 o'clock stream.
>> Oh, okay. Hey, we want to hear some mama your mama jokes from you. Okay. Allah.
Think of some now.
>> Can you do you do you Every everyone who's watching right now, do you realize you're the only you're the only people right now? Those of you who are watching right now, you're the only people who know this right now.
>> Yeah. Think of all the poor poor sad souls in the world who do not know what what what all of us together with the help of Lady Logic and Kora. All of us just came up with one of the sickest burns on Da ever. And it's you're going to see it guy. What? Just watch. You're going to be seeing this. You're going to be seeing this brought up over and over again. And we just came up and the entire the entire world outside of this live stream doesn't even know it yet.
You guys are you guys are part of a a birthing of of a whole movement right now. You're gonna you guys are going to be like, I remember when you guys first had that live stream. This is going to be a moment. It's going to be a moment.
You guys are going to you'll be able to look back and say, I was part of that live stream. You will be telling your greatgrandchildren when your when your greatgrandkid comes home from kindergarten and says, "Great grandpa, some Muslim kid tried to say that Allah could be a father back in the Old Testament days." And so all the other kids started saying, "Oh, he's a mother, too." And they started saying, "Your mama this, your mama that." And you'll be like, "I WAS THERE. I WAS THERE WHEN THIS WAS INVENTED."
He put my comment on the screen. That was my one of my one of my >> I got the proof. It's still on YouTube.
>> Oh, Sarah says, >> "History, guys. History in the making.
>> This is history." And guys, keep I mean, keep in mind, we're the we we popularized that suit last year. I could tell when I saw Raymond Ibrahim post that Zoot video, I was like, "Now it's time. This is time. This is this is time for this to take off." And we all made it take off.
>> Y >> and now you can tell. You can tell this this is going to take off. Yeah, stream right now. That's a history.
>> Allah is an asexual hermaphrodite. He is both father and mother. Yep. J pointed out that's uh that's like Satan. Uh one of the missing chapters of the Quran was definitely the mama. Yeah, that's one of the ones they uh uh abregated. Replace meals with protein. Thank thank me later, pal. Oh, I get No, I'm eating tons of uh tons of uh tons of chicken.
You've heard mama Muhammad hijab Mert Lert. Muhammad Mert. Now we need Now we need to get Allah hijab. Allah needs a hijab. Well, Allah does wear a hijab, but now it makes sense. Your mama your mama has two right hands.
I'm put that back up. Your mama got two right hands. All right. All right, guys.
We gota we gota we got to calm down and get through this because uh >> Yeah, because I got another live stream coming up. Okay, here we go.
>> Focus. Focus. Focus.
>> Dan, >> that would be like me saying I'm Chinese. And then 600 years later, they're like, "No, you African." It's like, >> "Yeah, but hold on. Jesus had already claimed >> all the all the all the Christians are cracking up laughing at the >> final authority, you know, and there's witnesses of him, you know, he died, he rose 3 days later, um, ascended back to heaven, like I said. So, I just I'm so lost. I'm so confused.
>> I feel like I know her like I met her like at a conference or something like that." Um, Christine on the on the left there. Um, she's just unless unless I've met someone who's very very similar. She keeps she sounds very familiar >> and I know you talk fast and I love that, but how does that make sense? It's a religion that came seven centuries later um after Jesus already claimed final authority. He's not and there's two different types of Muslims like we're talking about.
>> Wait, we need we need to pause that. We need to appreciate that. That was a great comment right there. She's like, I know you talk fast.
It's like she's making this like killer point and he's like, "I know you talk fast, but you're gonna respond to this one." Okay.
>> Hey, she's the one who gave the psychological breakdown in the beginning, too. She's like, "I know you talk fast."
>> Hey, you know what's funny? Because we I want to make a video obviously about this, but >> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Archive, you know, archive is gonna gonna chop this up and put it out there quicker. So, this will probably be out tomorrow, guys, because Archive watches Archive checks out. He if he's not if he's not checking this out already, someone's going to tell him about it and then he's going to compile it. I can I can tell. Um but oh man, good times. Good times. Good times.
>> You mentioned the submitting part which is the lowercase M. Um and then there's the uppercase M which someone who reads the and stuff like that. So, I just don't see the connection that we're >> I think what what I'm understanding you say is because Jesus submitted to who you believe Allah to be.
>> Kora, you wanted to be famous.
>> Oh, she's famous now.
>> You have no idea how famous you're going to be.
>> She's the face of the Motherite movement. I mean, this is >> You are the You are the forever. You are the face of the motheright movement in Islam.
>> He is considered a Muslim.
>> Yes. And I'm specifying lowercase M because obviously she brought it up, but I tried to make it very clear at the beginning of the conversation that I didn't mean Muslim in the sense that he abides by the Sharia in the Quran and he does pilgrimage and zakat and so on and so forth.
>> No, you mean you're not saying in the important sense that everyone knows you guys are talking about when you say Jesus was a Muslim. I'm not you're not trying to defend that. Okay, great.
Thank you.
>> Of course, Jesus submitted to God. Did he say the one true God is >> but the question should be is uh is Jesus did Jesus teach what Islam teaches and no he did not.
>> I I agree. I agree that should be the question. Let me ask you this.
>> Whoa. Oh no no no. She's saying that should be the question. But >> you you you you got to you got to you got to lay off the perfect and I agree right after people say something that completely burns up what you just said because it sounded like you were agreeing that Jesus didn't teach the same thing as Islam.
>> Yeah.
>> Oh boy. I love that.
Let's >> this one of the greatest things I've ever seen in my entire life. Let me just back that up to watch Kora's blunder there.
>> Okay, so >> so of course Jesus submitted to God.
That should be the question. One true God is >> but the question should be is uh is Jesus did Jesus teach what Islam teaches and no he did not.
>> I I agree. I agree that should be the question. Let me ask you this. Did Jesus submit to the one true God?
>> All of us too.
>> Okay. Did >> if we were if we if we were slimy da guys, we would chop it off right after.
I agree. and not not let her say um >> that should be the question.
>> Did Jesus teach what Islam teaches?
>> She's thinking um see Cory is making a mistake here because I know what she's thinking. She's she's because she's made it clear already. She's thinking that different prophets have different laws.
She thinks that Muhammad's law is Islam.
And so when she says that Jesus taught something different than Islam, Jesus didn't teach Islam. She's like, "Yeah, I agree. He didn't teach Islam." And what she means is that he didn't teach what Muhammad's laws were. But to say he didn't teach Islam, she doesn't she she kind of like cut herself there with that.
>> But this is already I mean this is this is just it's all just everything is just icing on the cake at this point.
It's >> I I agree. I agree that should be the question. So let me ask you this. Did Jesus submit to the one true God?
>> All of us too.
>> Okay. Did Did Jesus submit to the one true God?
>> We believed in two different one true God. But but I know I'm asking >> Yes, he did. Yes, he did.
>> They are they are on point, right? To show that Jesus is a Muslim in any meaningful relevant sense worth debating, it would be Jesus submitted to the God proclaimed by Muhammad and the Quran. Did Jesus submit to that? You would have to prove it. And you can't prove it at all because the God described in the Quran, if if that God's revelations are correct, Jesus is he's an even bigger mushri than uh than Kora here.
>> He did a Yahweh.
>> Yes, he did. He is Yahweh.
>> And the one true God is triune and has a begotten son. Okay, perfect.
>> Did she What did she say? Did she Did she She said something about two one true. Is she saying there's two different senses? I can rewind that part. I just want to see what that >> Who? Corora or the Christian >> the other uh the Christian lady. One of the >> No, she's pointing out she's pointing out Okay. When you say true God, we're talking about two different true gods here, right? There's the true God and there's what and there's what you think of as the true God and they're not they're not the same.
>> I thought she was saying like how you guys have two definitions of Muslims.
Well, I thought she cuz she was the one who says the Chinese and the African thing. So, I thought she was playing with like making a joke with uh Okay, never mind. So it's awesome.
>> Hey guys, uh little homework assignment for afterwards. Little homework assignment for afterwards. If you think up any mama jokes or anything like that that apply to Islam and you didn't get to post them in the chat, post them in the comments after after this is done. I will check them later because I am going to want to make an awesome video on this.
>> Different one true.
>> Yes, but I know I'm asking.
>> Yes, he did. Yes, he did. Yes, he did.
Amen to Yahweh.
>> Yes, he did. He is Yahweh.
>> And the one true God is triune and has a begotten son. Okay, >> so back to the fact that Jesus taught that God is the father. The fact that God rejects Allah rejects being a father in the metaphorical sense and he rejects being a father in the literal sense. So in what sense is Allah a father because you can be a creator without being a father. Correct?
>> U this instance but let me ask you this.
You said that he rejects fatherhood in the metaphorical sense. What verse is that?
>> I already referred to it. However, I want you to I would like a quotation.
>> That's great. But girl, you've been shining for this whole time. Can you just let her talk?
>> I asked what verse. So, >> you did ask me a question instead of answering mine. So, it would be great if >> it's a clarification.
>> Yeah, that's great. However, I think you can answer my question without needing clarification. It's called engagement.
And that's something that the sister on the end was asking about if you can engage.
>> Of course. And I would like to engage.
Yeah, I would like to engage. What a rat.
>> This is so good. Way better than this.
This just reminded me of when they when they first started like when it was when it was Christina debating the Muslims and then Nora define the Trinity and Christina goes, "Wow." And it's very good that you were able to do that. She starts talking to her like she's a fouryear-old and now they're having to do it again.
>> Engaged. I want to know the evidence for your claim because you made the claim that he rejects it in the metaphorical sense >> and you made the claim that Jesus is a Muslim.
>> I feel like we're getting in the weeds though. I want to focus on Jesus.
>> Oh, let me let me answer her question then I'll go back to that.
>> In order for you to prove again the burden of proof is on you because you did say that Jesus is a Muslim. You agreed that Jesus taught that Allah is a father and we talked about where Allah rejects it. You said that there was a correct sense in which Allah is a father. We are asking you what that correct sense is because Allah rejects it throughout your book.
>> Okay, perfect. So the reason why I asked where he rejects father in the metaphorical sense is because that doesn't exist. So Allah does not reject fatherhood in the way that I defined it.
He does not reject the meaning that is being the creator and the sustainer and the way that the Old Testament ascribes it to individuals and the correct sense that I mentioned. That's exactly why I asked you what the reference was because when we quoted the verse in 5b specifies the meaning that he is rejecting and it's not the meaning that I specified. So let me ask you this.
What verse does he reject fatherhood in the sense that I referred to it?
>> There is no verse where father is connected to being a creator. That is why I asked you the question, can you be a creator without being a father? Allah himself says that none can come to him as other than a slave. So can you come to Allah as a child of him in the sense that he's your creator according to him >> with that title? Absolutely not. If you can't I was in the middle of responding.
>> Okay, sure.
>> Okay, perfect. So, and the reason as to why I specified that title is because as Muslims, we believe that we come to Allah with what he accepts from us. So, if Allah specifies that he is not he's not allowing us to refer to him as a father in this, then we are not allowed to do so. But we are also not capable of making positive claims that there was never a point in time in which that title was not used.
>> If Allah is rejecting that you can come to him as anything but a slave, can you come to Allah as a child?
>> Beautiful. I answered that question. I said with that specific title, no. And the reason as to why that is Jesus isn't a Muslim is because Allah does not permit that in this. So let me ask you, does Jesus abide by the that's in the Quran? Did you guys catch that? If a if a law says you can only come to him as a slave, can you come to him as a child?
No.
>> Or does he abide by the >> Absolutely not. That's another reason why he's not a Muslim. What you guys are having to do because the claim is made in the Quran is you're having to go back and try to reconcile something that Muhammad said that is blatantly wrong.
Muhammad obviously didn't know the contents of the Bible well enough to know that this claim would completely fall apart.
>> And that's Go ahead.
>> I was going to say and what you're asking us to do is to listen to Muhammad who came 600 years after as opposed to the eyewitness testimonies of the apostles who were with Jesus who said that he claimed to be God that he was not a Muslim that he came to fulfill the old uh the old covenant covenant. He was a Jew. He wasn't a Christian. He was a Jew who fulfilled the old law and then he came and he fulfilled it by saying I am the son of God. In John 5:18 he says I uh I'm the father of well John specifically says that they wanted to kill him because he claims to be one with God. He claims to be one with God and that's why they wanted to kill him.
>> And and what what does he say after that though? Uh verse what? Verse 30.
>> So yeah, you're quoting John 10. Yeah, John 5:18. Okay. That they wanted to kill John wrote that they wanted to kill him because he claimed he claimed to be one with God. He claimed >> that that says because you claim to be the son of God. So the one she's quoting, she's saying claimed to be one with God. It's that's where that's where they say you call yourself the son of God >> on the same level as God.
>> Perfect. What's interesting is that Jesus himself responds to this though because for example when he makes the claim I and the father are one when they pick up stones to stone him he asks for what crime are you stoning me for and he says we do not stone you for some sort of a crime like for example adultery and whatnot but rather we stone you for blasphemy for you are a mere man claiming to be God right and then he says after that >> he says is it not written in your law that you are gods why would you stone me for claiming to be the son of god Wait, now this is this is just insane.
This is just insane if you if one if you actually understand what Jesus is talking about there. But you can just grant right. You could just grant right there. Right. So Jesus quoting a psalm says you are gods.
So Kora just granted that Jesus said that people are gods. By the way, everyone, that's not that's not that's not a um in context. They're saying we get to kill you. We get to kill you for calling yourself the son of God. And he says, "Well, uh, according to the psalm, it, uh, says you are gods." Now, what it is there, it it's it's Elohim. And that was that was used of God. It was used of false gods. It was used of angels, and it was used of human judges who are God's representatives. So, it's a it's a it's a broader term than just uh just the word God. But the point Jesus is making there is you can't kill someone. And you can't give someone a death sentence just for or just for saying the words. You have to show that it's false and that the title doesn't actually come from God. Right? So you you need to show that I'm not allowed to I'm not allowed to use this use this of myself because you you'd have to show that I'm wrong if you wanted to execute me. And to prove that he says, well, even in the psalm, even in the psalm, he gives human rulers the title Elohim. And so you wouldn't you wouldn't you wouldn't kill them? You going to kill them for that? you're gonna kill them.
God God said it about them. Therefore, you can't execute someone on that. You have to show that it doesn't actually come from God. That's the point he's making. But according to her, Jesus, she said Jesus said, "You're gods." That's how she made it sound. Jesus, "Hey, you're all gods. I'm a I'm a son of God.
You're all gods. Everyone's a god."
That's that's what the Muslim Jesus said.
>> Yeah. She just destroyed Islam once again.
>> You just Kora annihilated us. And this is the point. They're so desperate to attack to attack Jesus that they'll destroy Islam in the process and they just don't care. Let me say back up a little bit.
>> Hold on. And then he says after that >> he says, "Is it not written in your law that you are God's? Why would you stone me for claiming to be the son of God?"
So he qualifies that. So Jesus says, "Why would you cla sorry stone me for a claim that God makes about you when I claim to be the son?" What you're asking for us to believe as Christians is the word of Muhammad over the words of the people who were with Jesus.
>> Right? So you you could go you granting all of that God God called human rulers and in other and angels and he calls them Elohim, right?
Should he be would would he be doing that if this is the same God as Islam?
And she just defended she she just defended Jesus calling himself the son of god. Now what she wants to say is well it doesn't mean a divine says he's calling himself the son of god. Jai can you call yourself the son of god >> according to Islam.
>> No >> cor is courage. So courage just admitted he's not a Muslim. He's not a follower of the religion.
>> Great job. Great job. And and she was saying one who submits to the true God, but the the God of Islam would never would never say things like that. So not the not the same God. Not the same God.
This is bad, man. This is terrible. All right, there's only there's only a little over a minute left. Let's see.
>> Who said that he claimed to be God? Who said you didn't write anything about how he claimed to serve the one true God, Allah? And all I have to say is this is that I don't think it's a coincidence that we continue to see prophets that come after prophets that come after Jesus and they're always trying to change his message. We see this in Joseph Smith. We see this in Muhammad.
We see this in Charles Russell. They always try to get close enough to the truth. What does that sound like? A deceiver close enough to the truth to sound like it is Jesus's message. But they twist the what is the most important part which is that he is God.
He's the son of God. So I don't think it's a coincidence that we see Muhammad claiming yes Jesus was a Muslim or that or any of the any of the claims that we see in the uh Islamic religion that Jesus was a good prophet or you know he was a messenger of God. It's sounds good but it's a little bit of a twist that actually causes the truth to be a lie because I think it's demonic in nature.
There's this there's this demonic entity that is saying say the truth just enough that you can deceive me.
>> Right? Then we need to really quickly and we need to understand one thing.
It's always going to be a little circle between me and I and us. Right? So in the karam Jesus uh is a servant. He um he's a prophet of God. But in the Bible he is known to be Jesus Lord and Savior.
He forgave sin. He allowed to be worshiped. So no matter what there's going to be a little thing right now. So That was a massacre.
>> That's great. This is amazing.
>> Hey, anyone any anyone see any reason at all to think Jesus is a Muslim out of that?
>> Nope. Nope.
>> I saw zero zero reasons. You know what's crazy?
>> I just s uh I just, you know, cuz we're at we're at 1400 right now. We're at 1400 people watching. I went and glanced at Hijab's stream again. He's got people calling in. He's doing live callin. 739 people watching, guys.
>> He dropped He dropped. People are people are leaving his live stream to come watch hours.
>> And this is his like weekly premiere.
This is his new plan for getting out of bankruptcy and being able to sue God Logic. Oh, there's new shows and it will be the most popular show in the world and no one's watching. And the only people who are watching want to see someone burn him up again. And they're probably all screen recording because they know he's going to delete it afterwards after he gets humiliated again. These are good times, ladies and gentlemen. These are >> good times.
>> Amazing.
>> Amazing. All right, got a bolt here. So, take these last super chats. Uh, momlins are going to hate this. Mlins, uh, Kora the mosque. Kora the mosque father of mama law.
Uh, your mama so Muslim her god only got half a brain.
Uh, Kora once heard Shima and got confused.
Uh, Mumla is mom and Kora is her fast talker. Yeah, that's the new shehada.
Uh, Mumla is one and Oh, I already Let's see. Uh, I'm not tracking how Kora began the Motherites.
>> Oh, you have to rewind. That's It's a brilli.
>> Yep. So, she made an argument for why it was okay to call Allah father in Bible times. And the exact same reasoning would show that Allah is a mother metaphorically. It's father metaphorically because he creates but would be mother metaphorically. And so Christina brought this out. So hey, if you're just going to say, well, you know, he's creating well, you know, a mother. A mother, you know, kind a mother gives birth to life like like God. So could we call Allah mother? She says, "No, because you don't have the precedent for that in the Bible."
Oopsie. I showed the precedent in the Bible. And it's not something they can say is corrupted because that's the book she went to. She went to Isaiah and it's in Isaiah 42, which is their favorite prophecy from >> about Muhammad in the Old Testament.
Oopsie. Oopsie. Oopsie. So, and and it gets worse because um I'm guessing you you didn't catch everything. Um uh she believes that Allah abregated when Allah is saying don't call me father, don't call me father. Don't call me father. The entire universe is ready to fall apart if you call me father.
She's saying that's Allah abregating what he previously allowed in the old in the in the Bible. He allowed him he allowed himself to be called father but then he abrogated it. But he compares himself to a mother in Isaiah 42. And that was never abregated in the Quran. which means you can't call him father, but you can call him mother.
Hasn't been abregated. And it's all thanks to Kora. We would not have this without Kora stepping in there and uh getting crushed by all these uh Christian ladies.
I got there. No comments. And is Allah a mom because the Quran is a white man?
>> Yes.
>> Oh, that's the mother of the book. Oh, now we got it.
>> Yeah. Now we know who the mother of the book is. So, the Quran is a white man.
>> Whoa. The mother of the book. We finally solved the mystery.
>> Now we know what the mother of the book is.
>> Wow.
>> Allah. Allah. Mother of the book.
>> Wow.
>> Amazing.
>> This is historic, guys. This is a This is >> This is one of my favorite things ever because uh again, it's rare to just get something that's just totally new and devastating and an awesome source of mockery every time they try to bring up one of their most common responses.
These are awesome awesome times. And then to get this this new DA hero who's gonna take over the DA and she's gonna be the new debater and she's gonna run around debating everybody and then it's not going to work because she's going to be mocked for this forever. This is what happens when you want to get famous.
Cora what happens when you want to get famous and you want to do it by dirty slimy means. This is what happens.
That's life. That's life. Cora >> stuck with it.
>> It's life.
>> All right, John. Any final thoughts before I cut out?
>> Uh yeah, guys. historic historic is a lot is going to come out of this. Funny times are going to come out of this. A lot of good things and we pray that uh it's fruitful and we thank you. Thanks for having me and yeah, Jesus Lord and Islam is false.
>> Awesome.
>> Well, yeah, I I kind of I kind of I kind of did the whole Easter today, but yeah, thanks for letting me stay. All right, guys. And uh so I'll be live again in about 25 24 minutes or so. We will uh we got Mary Harp and Apostate of Allah.
Mary Harp says she can so she can show from the Muslim sources that the best evidence we have shows that Muhammad had a micro beep and that there are multiple lines of evidence for this. So these are cool times. We'll be covering that at 8. And again, if you come up with any more uh your mama I'm going to go through the chat again ever. I'm going to start at right when the mama joke started happening. I'm going to uh take notes on all of the awesome comments. Uh but if you think of any more, put them in the comments, the regular comments section, and I will check them out. All right, good times. Remember this for the future, you'll be able to tell people when this is being used all over the world later this year. You'll be able to say, "And I was there. I was there." All right, guys. See you in a few.
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