Wingman Year 2, Picking Bulls And Making A Mating Plan For Next Season

Ajouté : 2026-05-05

[00:00:00]Here we go. Look who's come this morning.

[00:00:02]>> Can you smell the serenity?

[00:00:04]>> Mark, how are we? Good. Too bad.

[00:00:06]Struggling under the weight of all the catalogs. And >> oh, Chelsea Buns.

[00:00:11]>> Bring a bit of morning >> from the world famous Wagon Wheel in Morrenville.

[00:00:15]>> Oh, they do look pretty good.

[00:00:17]>> Should I put the jug on?

[00:00:18]>> I think you should definitely put the jug on, my friend.

[00:00:20]>> Morning everyone and welcome back. So, I've got Mark back again today. This is the uh well going into the second year now of using him and uh I guess it'd be a good point to to sort of see where you've come from cuz you're relatively new. I wouldn't say new new but you've been around for a couple of years now.

[00:00:38]>> Two year two year anniversary in July mate. Two year anniversary relatively new or your startup. So yeah, how's it going in the last couple of years? But it's I probably if you look back over the last 12 months, it's quite funny when we guess when we were sitting at this table 12 months ago talking about what we could do and how we approach things and look at the growth that's that's occurred, it's been really it's been phenomenal and we're incredibly grateful, I guess, for you seeing something in us um in the November prior when you were at the Melbourne Cup and probably three beers full of uh three skinfuls deep full of beer and saying, "Hey, let's let's work together and see if you guys can give us a hand." And I think when we did that video with you 12 months ago, um, gee, that just unleashed a a torrent of new business and gave us some amazing exposure that might have taken us 3 or 4 years to otherwise get.

[00:01:24]So when I think about kicking off with you in the February and then um, we had our foundational client from the year before down south start spreading the word for us around Ashurden. Did a couple of Warner fitnesses Warner fitnesses um, for some guys that he knew and one of the boys. Thanks Woody if you ever watch this mate. Appreciate your help. Um, Woody just passed his Warren of Fitness out to his mates. Yeah.

[00:01:44]>> And said, "Look at this cool [ __ ] that Wingman's done for me." And then it just goes, "Yeah."

[00:01:48]>> Like that. We're growing our business just with referrals. Like we don't we we don't go ambulance chasing like um our lady down south Abby picked up a couple thousand cows last week just through her network. I got a call from a thousand guys with jerseys, ironically enough, um down in Canterbury as well. And it just it's it's a phenomenal way for us to build for us to grow Wingman um off the back of referrals from other farmers.

[00:02:11]Look, oh, I've had some amazing chats with people just from watching this video. And I know they are long videos, but people uh people enjoy them or other dairy farmers enjoy them and and yeah, I've had some amazing chats with other farmers about it. It's been it's been awesome. And that's the I guess that's the ticket why I was so keen to to go with you last year is that we had that original chat and it just everything resonated what you were saying and what I believed it it sort of was pretty much there neck and neck. So um yeah that's that's the whole reason I think it's been great. One of the coolest things this year um was looking back on our Wingman OGs and seeing their cars on the ground cuz the first 15 guys who came on board with us in July two years ago, they've obviously now got wingman cars on the ground. I went to a Darian Zedfield day in Natia um with one of our wingman OGs, a lady called Railene and it was amazing to see the difference between 2024 the cars born in 2024 when we weren't involved and then 2025 when we were involved um the difference in Bub and Pub and the traits like her others had improved from uh a co a 2024 cohort average I think of.24 24 and then in 2025 when we got involved and had women cars on the ground the cohort the cohort average for others was.5 Je that's a whole that's 100% >> 100% we'll forever be grateful for every phone call that we that we that I answer or Abby answers um for every email we get for every Instagram question or people when people engage with us like we're still we're always going to be grateful for that because without without that support like we don't have a business and I guess you never ever forget You never forget your roots and where you come from, especially when you're building it from nothing and a collection of ideas and in my head two years ago.

[00:03:56]>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And that's um that's something that's changed from last year.

[00:04:00]It was just you and now you've got Abby on board who's down south. So yeah, you've grown to two labor units.

[00:04:06]>> Yeah. It's it's it's been crazy. Like to be fair and the boss lady and I had a good conversation about this towards the back end of last year. Like I burnt myself out.

[00:04:13]>> Yeah.

[00:04:14]>> Because we had that massive growth spurt um off the back of those videos with you 12 months ago. Um, I'd got it I'd grown it to a point where it was like a one and a half FTE and like when when you're starting out, you don't tend to say no too often to people. So, the alarm just kept going earlier and earlier and earlier and most of the mornings for probably the back four or five months of last year uh sitting at my computer at half past 4 in the morning. So, basically working dairy farmers hours.

[00:04:37]But yeah, I guess um I guess going forward uh yeah, I I think my system's changing.

[00:04:44]So, we're going to move away from the once a day. I think that's getting phased out next year. So, we're going to milk everything twice a day going forward now.

[00:04:55]>> Is that what what's your gut feel? Is that twice a day whole season or is that just twi doing the whole once a day, twice a day, once a day or like what's your what's your gut feel?

[00:05:03]>> Uh I'm going to go tw everything twice a day through till Christmas and then once a day after that I don't want to do whole season twice a day.

[00:05:12]>> Doesn't interest me.

[00:05:13]>> Put a great not when not when I'm going to milk myself. Yeah. Um but yeah, I just a couple of things like um well that extra production uh I think the heers I get a lot that dry off early and I think it's cuz of that they get sort of a free ride. They get too fat and >> Yeah.

[00:05:32]>> Um like I've got probably a handful now that are pretty much dry.

[00:05:36]>> Yeah.

[00:05:37]>> Um and I think I think it' really help them just making them work a little bit more in the spring.

[00:05:43]>> Yeah.

[00:05:44]Um, plus extra production from that, too.

[00:05:46]>> Yeah.

[00:05:48]>> Do you What's your gut feel about your in calf rates for your heers? If obviously when you have them on once a day, yes, they might draw themselves off, but they all get back in calf.

[00:05:57]>> Yeah.

[00:05:57]>> Like what's your gut feel? I mean, this has been your first year of that transitional year for argument sake.

[00:06:03]>> What do you think about are we like do you think we're more likely to have empty heers?

[00:06:07]>> Probably. Yep. I think uh yes, if if I can feed them well enough and get it right, then hopefully that minimizes it.

[00:06:15]But yes, I mean potentially yes. I don't know. I always think that the better they milk, the more empty cows you have.

[00:06:22]>> Just a standard.

[00:06:23]>> Yeah, 100%.

[00:06:24]>> Um but I think the extra production will outweigh it. Yeah, hopefully.

[00:06:29]>> And I guess everything in farming is a trade-off. It doesn't matter if it's with the stuff that we're doing with the genetics or it's a farm system or it's how much grain you want to take out for cropping or it's a system you want to run. It is just about finding I think the right balance for you and your family and what you guys want to do. I made a few production notes from last year. I'll just find them from a 2-year-old. They averaged 270 milk solids. So the herd averages was 350 last year. So they're 100 off that. The best heer did 350. So the average >> and the worst did uh 170. was heed at 170. Yeah, >> that's interesting.

[00:07:04]>> Yeah. So, there's a massive there's almost 200 milk solid different there.

[00:07:08]And I think >> that's where going to that twice a day.

[00:07:13]I'm I'm hoping it's going to average them up. So, the >> I have milked a few heers this year twice a day. I've put them in the twice a day her and they've handled it sweet as they were sort of bigger ones and >> um ones I thought could handle it and and they've done well. So, >> that surprises me. There's like fragments, let's call it 200 difference.

[00:07:30]that surprises me there is 200 solids difference. Like is that is that though a reflection of carving date for that worst tipper who only did 150 or do you think that's a a genetic thing? But then again with respect to that genetic piece. Um you're real rock solid on not put I'm not mating any negative PW cows.

[00:07:49]>> Uh I am now I in the past I haven't been quite so strict on it. Um, and I I think it's a combination of quite a few things.

[00:08:00]>> Yeah.

[00:08:00]>> Yeah. Carving date could be one. I didn't actually delve into that.

[00:08:03]>> Um, I think condition as well >> and size of the animal. So, the rearing.

[00:08:09]Um, so yeah, there's probably quite a few factors in that. That whole once a day thing, there's some real different dynamics around that. And I think >> the best cows on once a day will generally be the best cows on twice a day.

[00:08:20]>> Yeah. But the best cows on twice a day aren't always the best cows on once a day.

[00:08:25]>> No, but I I think they don't I don't think they work hard enough in the spring. The heers being on it today for well, >> they're pretty much on grass. I do feed them a bit of PK um in bins.

[00:08:37]>> But I yeah, I think I can get more more production from them. Just out of curiosity, what do they do as three-year-olds?

[00:08:45]>> What do they do? Cuz then cuz if they have a real average lactation as a 2-year-old, >> Yeah. They generally go better that Yeah, I' I I'd have to dive deeper into it, but yeah, I generally they do well as a three-year-old because they've almost taken a year off, another year off, and they've set themselves up with body condition and size. So, they they usually come in pumping, but >> as a three-year-old, >> um but that's yeah, potentially that from from the car from day one. I just haven't done it properly. So, um, so yeah, 3-year-old my lactation notes were the worst did 260 milk solids. The best did 460.

[00:09:21]>> So, there's still 200 >> and the average for them was 350, which was the herd average.

[00:09:27]>> Usually being once a day, I've peaked at about 1.6.

[00:09:31]>> Y, >> this year just changing the twice a day or 2/3 to twice a day peaked at 1.9.

[00:09:37]>> Nice. But just putting those heers back.

[00:09:40]I think I should be able to get to I should be getting over 2.1.

[00:09:44]>> Okay, >> that that's or 2.2 ideally.

[00:09:47]>> Y >> I mean a lot of people do more, but these are jerseys and whatnot.

[00:09:50]>> Well, it's all relative to how much feed you want to poke in. If you want to poke in some high analysis feed, they'll do that. Yeah.

[00:09:55]>> But is that cost effective? Oh, >> I just want to keep it easy. PK30 and Maze, that's all I want to do. But yeah, so so want to sit at about 2.2. And that's um I I don't think I'm going to get there by keeping the hippos once a day. Guess how much they were each.

[00:10:08]>> Oh, five bucks.

[00:10:09]>> $150.

[00:10:11]>> No way.

[00:10:11]>> Wagon wheel and Morrenville, mate.

[00:10:13]There's the shout out for Wagon Wheel.

[00:10:15]Like $150 each. I said to the ladies, if you guys put the price up, holy moly, >> they're massive. E.

[00:10:20]>> Yeah, absolutely. Look at the size of that. Shout out to the wagon wheel if you're watching the video.

[00:10:28]One of the things Mark sent me uh a day or two ago was that he did a future herd audit. So, he's gone through and looked at uh all my herd on minder and he's just pulled out a few things. It's eight pages long. It's pretty interesting. Um you >> I don't think we've got enough time to fly through all of it, but there's some there's some good points in there. One of the interesting things was that the size I used for the 24 animals.

[00:10:52]>> Yeah.

[00:10:52]>> So, you sort of >> Yep. uh put a few of the dominant size you've called them that I used and and most of them were genomic but Berkeley was in there and he is the highest bull in there with the daughter >> PW his daughter PW at 330 which is >> yeah quite interesting. Yeah. And like he he has been an absolute standout I think in that jersey space for the last we while. And look there's >> he will probably go in where it's warranted I should add. He will go in teams again this year simply because at that particular live weight of -30 relative to the base count has everything more almost everything the guys want in a jersey. But I guess in the same breath I'm bitterly disappointed that there's no more hallmark around from CRB. Bitterly bitterly disappointed because we expecting great things from him. Did you want to get into the bull team now?

[00:11:42]>> Are you here again, dude?

[00:11:43]>> Yep.

[00:11:44]>> Yep. So, last year we picked five. I I've only had a quick look through them.

[00:11:49]I haven't um really had too much of an opinion because I was sort of just going to wait till you get here and and see what you want to do.

[00:11:56]>> So, you show me yours first there, mate.

[00:11:57]You show me yours first.

[00:11:58]>> I was talking to you on the phone and you mentioned about the um the Kiwi Cross one.

[00:12:03]>> Yep. That's the one. That one right there. Burmeister's Beasty. Um, which is a F8 J8. So, smack bang in the middle.

[00:12:12]>> Y.

[00:12:13]>> Um, >> everything looks good. So, not opposed to using something like that. The bull is actually black and white. Looks like a Fion.

[00:12:21]>> Yeah. So, >> I'm trying to teach you how to be color blind.

[00:12:25]>> But I'm Yeah, I'm not too worried about that. So, >> just absolute rockstar to be fair. And like it was the the the maybe the little bit of I told you so about Beasty was back in when we sent our November issue of the the Wingman newsletter out. And I I was talking to one one of my wingman guys about it the other day and I said there was a piece I wrote in the November newsletter when BCD was at number 17 on the Raz list and I think I said in my in the in the newsletter this is a dark horse bull currently sitting at negative current currently sitting at 17 on the Raz list but like 6 for capacity 65 for uh 6 sorry.56 for capacity 6 for rump width massive on both of those things and what did I what did we talk about earlier animals that are above breed average for capacity and run with a or highest BW and PW animals.

[00:13:13]>> Yeah.

[00:13:13]>> So then the December December Raz list a runs come through and I think he was at number five and now he's at number two.

[00:13:19]>> Yeah.

[00:13:20]>> So would I'm quite bummed that Wood called that back when he was at number 17 on the Raz list and said this is one to watch and he was sitting at number two and again that's that whole TP traits informing production.

[00:13:32]>> Yeah. It's coming through into into production.

[00:13:34]>> But if you want to use him like I'd be absolutely thrilled.

[00:13:37]>> Yeah. I'll be pretty keen to try. Um I think he's probably just a little bit possibly improved than using um Neptune.

[00:13:46]>> Yeah.

[00:13:48]Yeah. Okay. You you go carry on. Let's let's pick let's pick this apart.

[00:13:52]>> Yeah.

[00:13:53]>> So potentially um yeah, I I think this year >> I would still use a kiwi cross. I'd still have a kiwi cross in there just to I think we get more genetic not more genetic gain that way for some of these lower cows.

[00:14:08]>> Um so we do honest I thought I actually starred some of these but I mean >> yeah I don't know I don't know what to do going forward.

[00:14:21]Yes, on VT like if you want if like I said mate, I'd love it if you decided that was a strategy that you want to pursue because F-16 plus F8 well F16 plus J8 is going to be J12.

[00:14:33]>> Yeah. Which is still very Jersey. And then if it goes back to a jersey be FJ4 J14, which is >> neither here nor there.

[00:14:43]>> And then one more cross from that is back to pretty much pure red jersey. So >> I mean I'm not a I'm not a breeder. I'm not I just want a efficient herd and and going something like that is probably >> probably good.

[00:14:55]>> Now I did I did have Neptune in again this year.

[00:14:58]>> All right.

[00:14:58]>> Just simply for others.

[00:14:59]>> Yeah.

[00:15:00]>> To be fair. So when again looking at at trying to balance out that bull team and and contextualize why we have the balls in there and what roles we're asking them to play, I still thought Neptune at J10 F6 and.96 for utters was still the best bet to improve utters.

[00:15:17]>> Yeah.

[00:15:17]>> To be fair.

[00:15:19]um and leaving him in that role and getting two years worth of his calves and hopefully there will be another suitable bull come through next year in either the Kiwi Cross space that's that's J10 or uh in the jersey space which will be J16 that we can replace him >> out of that herd with to be fair.

[00:15:37]Although by the same token going twice a day at the first part of that season if you think that is going to be your system change from here on out there will be less pressure on utters not more >> because you because you're not asking that cow to carry >> 20 L.

[00:15:54]So then so then that's do we think about >> trading off a little bit of udder >> because we're going to have a system change. This is this is quite a you know what I mean? It's quite important to understand if we're going to run the system from here on out.

[00:16:09]>> What does that what does that need to mean for the confirmation traits and what can we afford to lose some of?

[00:16:14]>> Yeah, I think others. Yeah, I'd still like to get a lot of udder, but I can afford to lose the the top of it.

[00:16:19]>> There's no bull that's going to do everything because everything will always be a trade-off. So, you want to prioritize utters with Neptune. Cool.

[00:16:26]Well, we're going to have to trade off some protein because he's only 2 kilos of protein. Yeah, >> if you want to prioritize um beastly with his strength and capacity, he's slightly heavier. He's a slightly heavier bull. So, we'll trade off live for that. Like, it's just >> there is always trade-offs. And again, coming back to my earlier comment, context is incredibly important.

[00:16:45]Incredibly important.

[00:16:46]>> I mean, look at him though, rum with 6 capacity.55.

[00:16:52]Uh and also body condition is is in the plus, too. So, >> I >> something like that. I'm like, yep. And utter I mean utter overall um.77 I mean it's >> like for >> pretty high >> for an allrounder for an all rounder like >> what else what else do you want?

[00:17:11]>> It's double if not triple my herd average. So >> yeah.

[00:17:14]>> Yeah. But then but then we look so we're trading off a bit of live weight cuz if we look at his live weight where's his live weightus 10. So the base cow for live weight is 510. So he's 10 kilos less than the base cow. So that's a 500 kilo build. So potentially his offspring.

[00:17:29]>> Yeah. But if my cows at 450, then they'd be 475. So I I'm That's fine.

[00:17:34]>> That's still within that 80 kilo band um of animals that you've got.

[00:17:38]>> Yeah, I'm I'm Yeah, I'm to try it.

[00:17:40]>> I think I Yeah, I think >> I wasn't quite sure about using two cross spreads, but >> Yeah.

[00:17:46]>> Well, going back to the Jersey side, I didn't really Nothing really stood out to me to be fair um that I was like, "Yep, that's the one." So I think we'll go again on Berkeley.

[00:17:56]>> Do him again.

[00:17:57]>> I think so. Again like in the absence of anything anything like him that's that's I guess an allrounder for jerseys with a good udder good production good live weight.

[00:18:08]>> Yeah. I mean good score the only um and and milk fat protein are pretty high.

[00:18:13]>> Yeah. And it's one of the things that spins my wheels about him is his protein.

[00:18:16]>> Yeah. to be fair because I guess as a breed the jerseys always lack protein and that would be my one big res not reservation but one big uh question mark about Neptune is he's only plus two kilos for protein to be fair and again when you look at the Fonta VCR ratio at the moment which is 1 to 1.3 um fats yes at this particular point in time everyone's getting paid more for fat than for protein but what happens when that ratio shifts back to 1 one or or we start seeing fat get fat get fat that worth less.

[00:18:48]>> Yeah. I mean, the big trade-off with him though is that run width, capacity, and body condition are all pretty much minuses. So, >> Yep. 100%. So, you've got you've got the top line stuff and the and the production piece of it, but that's what we've traded off >> to be fair. I guess that probably really highlights >> just how freakish beast he is cuz he's got all the topline stuff >> and he's got all the bottom line stuff.

[00:19:09]>> We were talking about earlier just Yeah.

[00:19:11]about having um that positive capacity and rupt but which he hasn't got. But yeah, >> I don't know. The daughters that are milking now seem to be going all right.

[00:19:19]So >> again, like context, >> we're not going to use him over cows that are already got skinny little narrow pinched up rumps or look frail.

[00:19:28]That would be the wrong bull to use over him. And again, that's where >> as as a herd owner, like you're seeing these cows every day. You will intuitively know that those balls need something need a beast in them for argument sake and need something with a bit of horsepower to improve the capacity and rump with. Yeah.

[00:19:43]>> How do you feel about Superman?

[00:19:44]>> Oh, putting Superman back in.

[00:19:46]>> Yeah.

[00:19:48]>> Well, I mean it's worked that's >> there's enough daughters in there to say that >> I mean I guess the thing is we're going changing system, >> but those cows seem to hold up all right. Most of the Superman daughters are were milked twice a day anyway this year and they seem to go right.

[00:20:06]>> Not opposed to it. Onto the next which is on your list which is Castro in the ST catalog.

[00:20:12]>> Yeah. And look, he's he's an interesting little bull to be fair, mate. So he's a 21 code bull. Um >> Yeah. Local. Yeah. Bred by Warren and Louise Bry uh down.

[00:20:25]Yeah. Para um out the other side of TA there. Um yeah, 21 code bull was he wasn't in a full-blown s proving herd last year. So only had $22 I think in 8 herds when he was getting his proof. Um so we we saw that come through and we used him quite judiciously in a couple of herds last year simply because I guess from a risk mitigation point of view $22 and eight herds isn't a big sample size. No, no, it's not >> to be fair, but he showed plenty of promise. Um, and we used him last year and he's looking quite handy at the moment to be fair. Um, rocking a 499 BUB, 5.7 kilos of protein, which really enthus which gets me really pretty excited for a jersey. Um, 43 kilos of fat, um, and -30 for live weight, which is 510 less 30, uh, 480. Um, and also 6 12% for fertility. So he's got a lot he's has got a lot of good stuff >> happening on that top line. Um the biggest challenge with him will be plus eight days for gestation. Really liked him. Um but I guess the challenge will be working it because him and Berkeley are for all intents and purposes fairly similar.

[00:21:35]>> Yeah.

[00:21:35]>> So how do you how do we work how do we work that in and potentially maybe we use Castro as an outcross option? He's too good to leave out but how do we put him in if that makes sense? Like it's >> is he going to fit?

[00:21:49]>> Is he going to fit? And there's no point just having having a bull in there for shits and giggles and something to do. I think we could you could pretty much say Berkeley's a starter, Beast is a starter. Then what else do we need? And maybe it is only a football team for you this year. Maybe it is only a football team. And that's where I'm absolutely lamenting the loss of Hallmark.

[00:22:07]>> Yeah. Yeah.

[00:22:07]>> Because that >> it would have been perfect.

[00:22:09]>> Oh jeez. It's just absolutely because that would have filled a beautiful third spot for us without trying too hard. Um, what about Charuk?

[00:22:19]>> Yep.

[00:22:20]>> Potentially. I just like the capacity in him.

[00:22:23]>> Yep.

[00:22:25]>> Um,.9.

[00:22:27]>> Yeah. I just You'd get out of bed for all that. But you'd get out of bed for that all day, every day, wouldn't you?

[00:22:32]>> A 0.9. Utter overall is.5.

[00:22:34]>> Yeah.

[00:22:35]>> Rump width is only slightly minus. 07.

[00:22:38]>> Yeah.

[00:22:40]>> Plus. Yeah.

[00:22:41]>> Yeah. Protein's only at one, so it's a little bit low.

[00:22:45]Um live weight. Oh, fertility 3.6. So about breed average. Live weight's minus 20.

[00:22:52]>> Yep. So similar similar to the other boys we've been using other than um other than Beasty. Yeah. Cuz we we had him in your team last year if I remember correctly.

[00:23:00]>> Yeah. Yeah. I quite like the capacity.

[00:23:03]>> Yeah.

[00:23:03]>> And having the rump width and and body condition sort of near or body conditions.14. So it's probably quite high. Um yeah, I'm pretty sure I used him in quite a few of the heers. Okay.

[00:23:17]So yeah, I don't know. That's um that's an option potentially because then Okay. And there's another bull on the on the Raz. It's called uh Excelsior.

[00:23:31]>> I think he might be number one for Jesus at the moment. Um, >> and you Yeah, I was going to say you've got daughters of him that have come through in that future herd order and I think from memory he might be uh looking in the other team and in the blue team um I think he's point8 or 0.9 for others.

[00:23:46]>> Yeah, it's it is it's real high >> but the the trade-off for that is he's quite small to be fair and that's that's the biggest trade-off you'd make with them. So what is he stature one 1.17 >> what does he Oh, we got live weight 50 kilos. So that means only a 460 kilo >> which would be fine on those um Neptune daughters.

[00:24:08]>> It'll be fine on your It'll be fine on the wet days as well.

[00:24:11]>> Yeah. Um Yeah. Look, maybe maybe we put him in this year and just go and just accept that we will trade off live weight in that generation.

[00:24:23]>> Well, actually, um protein 7, body condition.12, uh utter overall yeah 86. So those are all good things.

[00:24:32]>> Y >> um rump width is actually positive 07 which is good. Just capacity is almost at zero or 08 >> and just stature. Again, based on the the earlier piece of this conversation where you weren't over overly enthusiastic about putting two crossbreads in there, then I think that that he just about has to be included to fulfill that role of an utter improver >> for you with and knowing that we will trade off size to achieve that. But again, I think in the next generation, you'll be able to mitigate that simply because you're open to inclusion of a beast. Cool. So, let's let's assume the Neptune's out and Excelsia's in.

[00:25:12]>> Um, that's what I've heard. Um, so now we've got three. We've got Excelsia, Berkeley, Beasty, >> and then there's going to be not quite Lucky Dip, but then there's a competition for the next spot between Castro, Superman, and Char.

[00:25:27]>> I did like the look of the Chars that I have.

[00:25:30]>> Okay. It was like, you know what?

[00:25:31]Sometimes >> that and that's where that capacity is coming through. So, yeah.

[00:25:35]>> Yep. And sometimes that is just as important as anything else to be fair, mate. Cuz at the end of the day, this this business is about helping you get more of your ideal cow. And I've seen Charok daughters that just look like little barrels spins your wheels, then who are we to say, "Oh, no. I think you should I think you should do something else."

[00:25:52]>> Do you know what I mean? Like if that's if that's if that's what you're getting out of bed in the morning for, then that's fine.

[00:25:56]>> I'm not opposed to changing it. This is just what we got at the moment. But yeah, >> I'm pretty happy with the four we got.

[00:26:02]>> Yeah. Yep. Well, that's I think it's a nice team to be fair, mate. I mean, obviously >> simplified.

[00:26:08]>> My my preference is still to have Neptune in there, but again, like one crossbread bull, if that's the limit, then absolutely respect that and we'll use Excel your uh to fix some of our others. Um, and we'll use Beasty as that production/s size improver.

[00:26:24]Yeah, I just think yeah, having two cross it was it was already a big I appreciate that last year was a big deal to have one crossbe in the team. So you can't blame me man for trying to double down and try trying to go to two this year.

[00:26:37]>> Yeah, you cross bed here before you know.

[00:26:39]>> Yeah. Oh, are you happy?

[00:26:43]>> Yeah, >> it's good. It's it I always enjoy come and have a yarn because then because there's always some really good discussions about how we want this to look going forward so that you're going to get more of what you want and less of what you don't.

[00:26:55]>> Yeah. No, I'm um >> I'm stoked.

[00:26:57]>> It's been bloody good. Thanks, Mark.

[00:26:59]Another robust discussion.

[00:27:01]>> Always robust.

[00:27:02]>> Got bit of a plan going forward now though. So um yeah, not not set in concrete, but we'll sort of finalize it over the next >> well actually week or whatever or whenever. Yeah.

[00:27:11]>> Be good to get the water in.

[00:27:12]>> Yeah. Get organized early and lock it away.

[00:27:14]>> Yeah. Yeah. But hopefully um it's we always I I said to Mark before we have very long chats like it's been 2 hours.

[00:27:21]So it's very hard to fit what we say >> into into the video. So there's a lot of good stuff that's probably missed out.

[00:27:29]But I just I'm not going to make it like an hour long for you guys cuz you don't want to watch. I'm trying to cut it down to sort of 20 25 minutes. But yeah, I'll try and get all the gems and squeeze it in here.

[00:27:38]>> Sounds good. But >> awesome. Thank you very much.

[00:27:41]>> Thanks for having me, man. All the best for the rest of the season. And yeah, we'll be in coms.

[00:27:44]>> Yeah, you too.