The 1970s-1980s represented the golden age of private eye television, with shows like The Rockford Files, Magnum PI, and Cannon featuring charismatic, flawed detectives who balanced charm with competence. These shows succeeded because they portrayed realistic, human characters who showed vulnerability, had genuine relationships with supporting cast members, and maintained economic realism in their storylines. The genre declined after the 1980s as cop shows like NYPD Blue and Hill Street Blues replaced private investigators, shifting audience preferences toward more action-oriented police dramas.
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Retro TV Rewind - Ep. 2 (Private Eyes) - Special Guest: Jim from Mystery and Mayhem
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>> All right. Sorry, the sound went had the sound turned off on that in the beginning. [laughter] >> Yeah, I was wondering like what what where's the sound? But that was awesome intro.
>> Quite a montage, man. Wow.
>> Yeah, I'm gonna have to watch that back about six times to catch everything. But I think you snuck in public eye in there. Good for you. I've forgotten a lot of those, man. I forgot uh David Jansen was Richard Diamond. Wow.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah, that was very cool. Good job.
>> It It was actually It's actually the hardest part of doing those is picking which ones to do. There are so many.
>> Oh, yeah.
>> There is so many shows and I have a set up so I only have so many slots available.
>> You did a great job. Yeah, there's so many in this genre that uh we could cover that we could we'll talk about a bunch today, I'm sure, but we'll have to revisit this at some time and have Jim back on for some more Private Eye Talk.
>> Yeah. Oh, yeah.
>> There. And I'm sure there's lots you left out, too. I remember I think there was a series actually called Private Eye, I think, in the 80s, maybe early 90s, and that was kind of the last of the Private Eye shows. It kind of lost its appeal by then and it was, you know, didn't last and you didn't see any private eye shows after that, >> you know. I forget the guy who was in it. I don't remember much about the show. I just remember I was excited about it and then it was gone, never to be seen again, >> you know.
>> Yeah, I think I know which one you're talking about. It only ran for about six to 10 episodes or something before they it was cancelled. So, >> and it was really stylized. It was really a kind of a cool show and it it's kind of the show that killed the private eye TV shows.
>> Well, I think uh NYPD Blue and Hill Street Blues and all that kind of just swayed it to the cop show instead. So, there were some >> or the Action Guy show, you know. So, >> yeah.
>> Hi, Reigns and hi Mark. We got some uh >> we got some people I keep calling Reigns. It's Rain, isn't it? I should call her Rain. Rain. Sorry. Is that her her first name? That's a cool name.
>> I should have my comments so I can see them. Hey, Mark.
>> Yeah, Mark's Mark Glock's here. [snorts] Good. Well, uh, Rob, take it away, buddy. What do you What do you want to uh how do you want to handle this? You want to get your little, uh, get a swig in first. Well, welcome, Jim, to Very glad that you could show up here, the the mystery and, uh, mayhem maven.
Thanks for showing up and joining us, >> guys. Yeah. So, we successfully got past the pilot episode. So, now we've been [laughter] picked up.
>> We've been picked up for a series >> TV rewind. [laughter] >> Yeah.
>> And to um celebrate Private Eye July, we have the Mr. Private Eye July himself joining us, >> Jan Mayhem, which is just awesome.
[laughter] >> Thank you. But I got a question for Jim.
Jim, I I get confused because is it private eye July or private eye in July?
Because I thought it used to be called private eye in July and then uh I' I think I've been calling it that when I called it the other the first time. So >> it's it's private eye July and like when I first last year it was cobbled together so quickly you know like I I was on a live for something else I think and uh a couple people said I forget how it came about and I said you know I've been wanting to do a private eye July event for a long time and uh and I think Steve Donnie who was on there he said why don't you do it just go ahead and do it then initially was called private eye in July and then we kind of shortened That's where I got >> July. It just rolls off the tongue a little better.
>> Yeah, it's it it's better for sure.
>> Yeah.
>> Hey, Gareth. Gareth's here.
>> Gareth >> from the UK. Staying up late.
>> Oh god. Yeah.
>> But he's a bit of a night owl as Gareth if I if I recall.
>> Well, he'll go for hours till like 4:00 a.m. in the morning. Gareth.
>> Oh, yeah.
>> Still hot over there, Gareth. [laughter] Oh yeah, we got >> it's >> hotter than hell here. So I imagine it's you're still having a heat wave over there. How you guys doing with the Jim?
How you doing with the smoke up there?
The fires.
>> Oh, it's it's tough, man. It's uh it's the it's not good. We got the heat and we've got the Northern Ontario fires and the smoke's just coming down to us. It stinks outside. The first the first evening the whole sky was just orange.
It lasted for a couple days. I mean, it's a it's clear now, but it still stinks out there now. Like, the air quality is awful. Just awful.
>> Well, now you can feel like uh Philip Marlo in LA with all the the smog they had there that he look out over the city, you know, over Hamilton. I'm up on the mountain. So, at night time, you see the lights and you can just pretend it's Los Angeles in the 1940s.
>> [laughter] >> There you go.
>> Yeah, Deb is here.
>> Hey, Deb.
>> Hi, Deb.
>> Hey, Deb. How you doing?
>> Cool.
Well, who should we The guest should go first, don't you think, Rob?
>> Absolutely. So, anyway, for anybody who watches this later, who hasn't been with us last time? So, the premise of the show of this thing that we're doing is uh each month me and Jeff take turns picking a genre.
Um, and then all the hosts [snorts] and guest hosts will pick two vintage TV shows from that genre to talk about. Um, the only rule is that the show that you pick can't have had a broadcast date after the year that you turn 20. So, >> um, so for me, born in 64, I can't pick anything that premiered after 1984.
That's it. Um, >> I didn't realize that rule. I didn't know that rule. [laughter] >> That's what >> I think you're okay, Jim. It might be a year or two. Okay. [laughter] >> I figured you'd be safe with your pick.
So, >> yeah.
>> And when I say rule, >> guideline [laughter] broken. We're I think Rob just wants to keep the focus on vintage stuff and not too >> I want I want to keep it on I don't want to keep on [clears throat] like the prestige TV that's going on now that everybody else is talking about. And I also want to do it that way so if we ever have somebody who's quite a bit younger than us. We wouldn't be, you know, dismissing their childhood from them. They could still talk about somebody born much later could still talk about shows from the 90s if that was that.
>> That makes sense. Yeah, that's smart.
Yeah, >> we're we're not checking IDs at the door. So, [laughter] >> yeah, I'm not gonna card you, Jim.
[laughter] >> Good. Good.
>> So, yeah, we're doing private eye shows, of course, for Private Eye July. And who better to ask on than Jim?
And uh yeah.
>> Okay. If it's Vintage and Early Shows, I might even have seen some of them. Yeah, >> that's my other reason for doing it this way because I haven't had the TV on in years. So [laughter] >> yeah, >> it looks like in Germany. Wow.
>> It's funny cuz back in the day it's not like, you know, there wasn't as much things on as as there are now. So you kind of just had to watch what was on, right?
>> You know, so so I'd catch that's how I watched Rockford Files. Just, you know, it happened to be on and that's what you happen to watch. So I watch So my two shows are Rockford Files and Magnum PI.
And >> um so yeah, like like the point is you didn't have a lot of you had three channels back. You had ABC, NBC, CBS, whatever there was. So you just you had a few channels you watched and you watched whatever show was on any particular night. You didn't pick and choose like you do now. You didn't get streaming, you know, >> and that was just for the new shows. The older ones would be on the little independent channels. That's where I caught most of the old shows growing up, you know, on Yeah. K and was it KCTW or I forgot what it was. KCTW in in Seattle on channel 11.
>> Watch them all. You couldn't watch them in order. Like it's not like you could go back and find the pilot episode and watch them all from from beginning to end. You just had to catch whatever happened to be on that night. Whichever episode happened to be on, you know, >> you have to call your TV guide and make a note of it. Yeah, >> I tell you, you look at old TV Guide schedules now and I and you say there wasn't much on. There weren't many channels, but I look at those and go, man, I'd be having a full night of TV with that stuff on that's on there now compared to compared to what I watch these days, which is not much of modern TV. I watch the occasional show for sure. But, uh, >> but I have to admit, it's it's nice nowadays when you want to watch a specific show and I've got a little phone app, you know, just keep it to yourself and I type it in and and up it comes and I can I can, you know, watch whatever I want. I mean, I I don't have Apple TV, but I watched uh Sugar, that new PI series with Colin Frell. I was able to watch that the first season, which is awesome.
>> I've been curious to check that out.
>> It's it's an interesting show, man. And and it's It's a love letter to the traditional PI, LA, Los Angeles PI, but there's a twist to it and that, you know, that's all I'll say about it. But it really is it tries to be a very traditional vibe, PI vibe.
>> I've heard good things about it and I have Apple TV. I just I haven't I haven't caught up on any of the shows on there and they have a lot of good shows.
I just >> They do have some good shows on there.
>> Yeah. No, that's a good one. That's a good one. Very interesting. There was another one. Clive Owen played Marlo in kind of unnamed Marlo in France in another show for on another streaming service recently.
>> Oh, was that Sam's Was that Sam Spade?
>> I'm sorry. No, no, you're right. It was Sam Spade, not Marlo. Sam Spade.
>> Yeah.
>> And again, Clive Owen is a great choice despite being a British guy. He's very good at playing that kind of >> I don't know why they put Sam Spade in France.
>> I don't I know that's I didn't watch it just because it seemed weird to me.
>> It seems [laughter] weird like the Philip Marlo novel. uh not Banville but the other one and it was an older Philip Marlo when they put him in France too and I said why are you taking Philip Marlo in the in the book uh only to sleep I think it was called I forget it's on my shelf out there why are you taking him out of Los Angeles which is essentially part of his character and putting him in France and then they did the same with this Sam Spade TV show why are you doing that >> yeah is that the film in France it's cheaper is all so much part of it's almost like an extra character in those it >> that's like it's like the Philip Marlo movie with Robert Mitchum the big sleep they they did Farewell My Lovely they did it perfectly >> in England yeah the big sleep in England said back in the 40s and then you know it's it's set in Los Angeles then he did another one as Philip Marlo but it's in contemporary times in England. Yeah, it was very strange.
>> Yeah, strange choice for >> and they brought Jimmy Stewart over to England to film as the as General Sternwood or whatever. Yeah, it was very strange.
>> So, that was disappointing even as a kid when I watched it and I was right into Marlo and Chandler at that time and I'm thinking why why did they do this? You you just took an essential part of Philip Marlo, Philip Marlo's character and you just you know you cut it right off.
>> Made no sense. They're having an interesting discussion in the chat about the VCR days. You know how >> the new Magnum, but uh it's Have you guys seen the new Magnum?
>> No.
>> Yeah. It's it's it's all right. It's so much it's it's all right. They made Higgins a woman and there's she's a love interest for and I like Jay Hernandez as an actor, but he doesn't have the physical or charis charisma stature of a Tom Celic. But, you know, they at least they kept, you know, most they kept TC and they kept Rick and they kept the Ferrari and they kept the theme tune and so they, you know, they were fairly uh, you know, respectful of the original show, but it's nowhere near in the same caliber. It's typical CBS modern show.
It was fine.
>> I had no interest in watching it.
>> Yeah. I haven't seen any redo.
>> Sorry.
>> I haven't seen any of the remakes like the remake of Magnum or Hawaii50. I haven't watched any of those.
>> Hawaii 5 is okay. But again, these are all like kind of modern procedural shows that CBS turns out that you know are fun enough time wasters, but they're not, you know, ones for the record books or anything.
>> They tried to redo Rockford Files a few years and now they're >> Yeah, I would like to seen that pilot.
They got the guy. Oh, what's is it Dylan McDermott? Is that the guy?
>> That's the one they tried and they and they they said no.
>> And I heard they're trying again, but um I think they should just let it lie.
>> Yeah, >> Keith's here. Hey, Keith.
>> Yeah, good old VCRs. I remember those days. Taping a bunch of stuff. Yeah, we had uh my brother used to work at a a TV repair place, so he got one we got one of the very first VCRs where the record and pause button was a cord >> top loading and you had this cord that would stretch across the living room so you could pause the video [laughter] button.
>> Yeah.
[clears throat] >> Yeah. Yeah. I know they did try to redo Rockford and it was not a good idea.
Yeah. The Lethal Weapon TV show. Well, the reason it fizzled Goatman is the guy they got Klay Crawford was really good.
They got um Damon Weighins to play the um the [snorts] uh Danny Glover part and the guy this Klay Cro or Klay Crawford I forgot his name. Anyway, there was he had a he was a method guy and he had a falling out with ways and so he had they ended up killing him off and trying to replace him with the guy who played Stiffler from American Pie movies and he's a good actor too but they kind of lost their mojo on that show but it was better than a lot of these other ones.
So, I try to give these kind of cop and PI shows a shot, but >> I just kind of tail, >> you know, there was a Lethal Weapon TV show. That's how >> it it was pretty successful for the first couple seasons when they had this other guy playing Mer uh Riggs. Rigs Myrtto Riggs. Rigs is the Mel Gibson character, right? Yeah.
>> Sacrilege. You can't do Rockford without James Garner. I'm sorry. I think so. I mean, when they tried to do the movie Maverick, it's like James Garner is embodies those characters so much.
>> Yeah.
>> Well, at least the movie the Mel Gibson had Garner, you know, cast in it, so that was that was wise.
>> But um yeah, >> that's Poppy >> Matlock. Yeah, the Matlock hat. I think um Oh, what's Kathy Bates plays Matlock, >> which is weird. But what's what's really chaps my hide? I like the Denzel Washington um Equalizer movies, but pretty well because they're a very kind of different version of the old Equalizer, which is a cool old show. But Queen Latifah is the equalizer. I mean, come on. [laughter] I don't mind Queen Latifah as some kind of a PI or something, but I think they cast her to play was it Lady Ramote? Who what's the one that's the um Alexander McCll Smith series? The lady's number one detective agency.
>> Do you know those books? That series of books? I don't >> they cast I think they cast Queen Latifah to play her for a pilot episode or a TV movie or something and that's a good casting but uh I don't think she's you know I'm sorry she's she's a big lady but I don't buy her as an enforcer like Robert McCall like Denzel Washington killing 25 you know KGB guys or whatever is a different or Russian mafia guys is more believable but >> I I'm with you there Nick on the remakes I mean uh it's got to be really really good if they're if you're going to remake it. Don't remake a really popular show like Magnum, you know, if you want to remake like a forgotten show that nobody was really into and you want to improve on it >> or one Yeah, the one that failed do that. But if if you're going to try to remake, you know, like a really [clears throat] popular show that everybody loved, you're going to fail right out of the gate. You're going to fail.
>> I'm trying to think of many successful uh examples. There's not many >> uh they always uh they always want to remake in movies and TV shows something that was practically perfect the first time.
>> Yeah.
>> It's like >> Yeah. Why don't you pick something that had a cool idea >> concept but was done poorly and remake that into something good. Don't do >> I agree.
Hollywood is creatively bankrupt so they just >> Yeah. original would be nice, but >> yeah, do [laughter] something original, you know, instead of rehashing old stuff.
>> Yeah.
>> Do something new.
>> Yeah. Well, they seem to be pretty out of out of ideas. Yeah. Edward Woodward.
Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> He also played Ken. If you're a fan of uh British TV, Kalen is an amazing espionage series >> for sure. Yeah. They did re they they did redo Kanum Leap Mark and I think it's still going and uh it was his niece or something. So I don't know.
>> I didn't know that. I didn't know that.
>> Yeah, it's ran for a couple of a couple of >> I loved Quantum Leap. I thought that was a great show. It had such potential that show >> the ending was a bit wacky but um >> well when they end a series it's always wacky. It never ended right anyway. any show >> very rarely. The Fugitive, they wrapped it up. The David Jansen series, The Fugitive, they wrapped it up. It was perfect. It was so good. You know, it just he had this this long story arc.
They wrapped it up. And I think that's the only show I can really think of, >> you know, older show that they wrapped it up nicely.
>> Blake, I don't think it's nicely, but Blake Seven ended with a bang. Let's put it that way. [laughter] But >> I never memorable. Never [clears throat] watched it.
Yeah, canceled too early. There were a lot of coolanc too early shows that definitely needed uh >> you know to uh uh you know another shot with you know some good casting.
>> Yeah, I'm going to be talking about a couple of those later.
>> I think you have to at least give a a new TV show. You have to at least give it the the the whole season to find an audience. If you're going to cancel a show after two or three episodes, you didn't give it a chance.
>> Yeah. you know, and they've done that.
They've done that many times.
>> Well, especially Fox.
Fox was uh really terrible at that. How many sci-fi shows in the 90s came out like VR5 and oh, I can't even think of all the cool ones besides Firefly, of course, in the early 2000s. That was so great.
>> Give it a Give it the whole season.
You've got a whole production crew.
You've got the actors. You put the money into it. At least give it a season before you cancel.
>> Yeah. You would think you would think that I guess they just think it's poor and bad money after good. But you know, pondering the mysteries of how if Hollywood execs think is uh you know it's pretty hard to figure out.
[laughter] Uh oh yeah, someone's mentioning 10 Angry Men and uh they did a good TV movie about it with Jack uh Jack Lemon remake. I think that was pretty good.
But >> I've only seen the original so I rarely watch remakes. rarely.
>> Yeah. Space Above and Yep. Beyond. That was another one that at least got two seasons, Keith. Sorry, I'm getting ahead of you there, >> Rob. Sorry. [laughter] >> But um yeah, Space Above and Beyond was another Fox show that I think it made it to almost at least almost this full second season. Maybe not quite that.
That was a really interesting show that was developing an arc kind of.
>> Uh >> yeah, >> I like I like the show Firefly. They gave it a chance, but they canceled that long before they should have canceled it.
>> Yeah, they they didn't. I think they only aired they aired things out of order. The pilot was like aired third or fourth, which must have confused people.
>> Yeah, they made a mistake. They made a mistake canceling that.
>> I think they would have Yeah, they made a big mistake on that.
>> Yeah, >> I haven't seen the Getaway remake. Uh Mark, I love the Steve McQueen movie, but I haven't seen >> Yeah. [snorts] Anyway, well, we should uh should get started here. We can chat about all sorts of stuff all day long.
>> Anyway, >> we're already 20 minutes in or something. So, >> and I was tell I was telling you guys before we started, I'm not I'm not prepared. I've got nothing written down for these, but my two shows were the Rockford Files and that let's see that ran >> You want to start with Rockford Files?
>> Start with the Rockford Files. It ran from 1974 to 1980.
Five and a half seasons. like he had to leave early. James Garner.
>> Yeah. It was a six season, but it's only 13 episodes, I think.
>> Physically it was taking its toll on him.
>> Yeah.
>> So, they weren't willing to accommodate him, so he just said, "Okay, I'm leaving the show." And uh and then but then he came back for like eight eight uh movies afterwards. Uh >> yeah. What is your opinion on the movies there, Jim? I I I'm not >> They were good, man. It was Rockford coming back. It was James Garner's Rockford. Yeah. Right. Like like how can you complain about that?
>> Well, the only complaint I have about the show is Angel. I hate that charact.
[snorts] >> I I was never a fan of Angel. They overdid Angel. I I agree.
>> I know he was Margillan. The actor was a good friend of of >> and I think he was one of the producers too. I think Stuart Margolan, you know, and actor Angel was annoying. He was annoying character, but he was supposed to be annoying, >> you Well, the in the main show, the original show, he's doled out fairly, you know, infrequently, but he's in every single one of those TV movies, I think. So, from the 80s.
>> Sorry, I'm getting ahead of the game there.
>> It did uh it did give Garner something to play off because Garner's reactions to the annoyance of [laughter] >> Angel was obviously a fan favorite though.
>> Yeah, >> I guess he was. Yeah, >> right.
But that's like >> that's all I wrote down about Rockford.
So, you know, [laughter] I watch >> You watched the pilot recently and the pilot has um Lindsay Lindsay Wagner, right?
>> That's what I was getting to. Yeah.
Yeah. I just watched the pilot episode which I loved. And Lind Lindsay Wagner was in it and I love Lindsay Wagner.
Beautiful lady. I had such a crush on her, you know, and she uh she's fantastic. She's >> she's so genuine, you know, when she played the Jamie Summers, you just feel like you're watching really her her, you know, she's >> and I'm pretty sure she came back as the same character in later episodes.
>> I think one one more >> maybe one. Yeah. And that was that was just a that pilot was just >> a great a a great episode, a great little movie and and uh it did a good job. And then I watched one from the second season called uh um Sticks and Stones may break your bones, but Water Bury Will Bury you or something like that. That's the one that introduced [clears throat] Simon Oakland as another PI.
Cleon Little was another PI.
>> And >> there's also Richie Brocklman which spun off from that too.
>> Rich I wasn't a real fan of that one but and then Lance White. Uh yeah, Tom played >> everything perfect.
>> And then uh I can't remember but uh the one that uh Lewis Gossip Jr. played, what was his name?
>> Oh, I forget his name, but >> I forget too. Yeah, but he was >> he went by the quotation Gabby Hayes, but something something Gabby Hayes. But >> well, I think um doesn't um Oh, who's the who's the musician that tall musician? Isaac [clears throat] Isaac Hayes was also >> Isaac Hayes is on a couple ep in a couple episodes I think.
>> I always like that when they when they would have Rockford meet some other PI.
>> Yeah.
>> And he always hates all of them. He never [laughter] >> then he's got all all his ex-con buddies which Isaac Kes was one of his and he called him rockfish all the time.
>> Rockfish. It was a little intimidation thing. Okay. But uh >> well, I think another reason that Garner had to step down eventually is uh I've read uh I have that the Rockford Files companion book by Ed Robertson and it talks a bunch a lot of people interviewed >> say how just great Garner was to work for, how loyal he was. But he carried that show on his back kind of right. He was in almost every scene >> he did. Yeah, >> he had a lot of injuries over his years as doing stunts and things probably from his Warner Brothers days in Maverick and um you know, but he was never one to back down from producers. He's the first one to successfully sue and and win and walk away from Warner Brothers Glenny Larson in the mouth one time. I think it was Glenny Larson because he stole one of the stories and Garner punched him right in the mouth.
>> Got to love Well, there's another great story. Speaking of, you know, another detective show, Simon and Simon, Gerald McCrainy, who played uh Rick Simon on that, he was got he got his one of his earliest roles was in the Rockford Files in one of those episodes and his uh family was visiting. Gerald McCrainy's mom and dad were there and Rockford was having a meeting in his trailer with one of the producers >> and sorry, Garner was and um he saw that uh Mccrainy was out there with his folks and he he he left the exec sitting there and he went out and he talked to Mccrainy's parents for an hour leaving that guy stewing in his trailer and you know just story after story of how good of a guy he was.
>> Did he not did he not take them on a tour of the studio? Yeah, I think producer just hanging and he just he went and he hung out with Mccrainy's parents and gave them a bit of a tour.
Yeah, he was a great guy.
>> Yeah. And he he had seen Mccrainy do something else and he gave him kind he wanted to give him a high-profile role to kind of help his career. He was just that kind of a guy, but he did not brookke any nonsense from the suits. So that's he was quite a guy and that kind of you know his character he he he started it in uh in Maverick but I think he really honed it to perfection in Rockford where he's this guy that doesn't really want to fight. He doesn't even really want to work but he goes to town when he does but uh and he can fight fight well enough but uh he doesn't he'd rather not you know he'd rather talk his way out of everything that he can. much rather avoid it.
>> And his personality >> whenever he did punch somebody in the show that that show the results, he'd punch somebody and he would always rub his fist.
>> He wasn't like a superhero where you know these TV shows where you're punching guys left and right. He'd punch a guy and he'd feel it.
>> Oh yeah.
>> And if you've ever punched somebody, you know you hurt your hand, >> you know. And the women, they'd get the, you know, they get all these beautiful actresses, of course, but they always made them fairly shaded and complicated and interesting characters. And he had, you know, romances with them, but it was, >> it was a real realistically, >> you were talking about Mickey Spain earlier about Stacy Keats as Mickey Spelain and the way they portrayed the women in that show. You know, James Garner and the Rockford Falls, they were never portrayed that way and that's I appreciated that. They they came across as real real women, real people. And that's what I didn't like about that that one thing I didn't like about the My Camera Show is they weren't portrayed as real people, >> you know.
>> They were just, you know, they were just >> they were eye candy. They were there as decoration. But Rockford Files didn't do that, you know.
>> They were always they weren't easy to get along with that. But they were realistic. They had, you know, they had good points, bad points. They they clashed and they had lots of banter with Rockford and >> you know they had their own agendas and things. It was it was always you know interesting and he had a couple of recurring ones you know he had um Rita Moreno I believe as the >> ex hooker or was a hooker and then >> and then she then there was um his Beth Davenport the lawyer. I'm trying to remember the actress who played her.
>> Of course, >> Gretch and Corbett, >> you know, you know, Rockford Files was supposed to be like like Maverick in in in an urban setting, >> right?
>> That's that's when they sold the show.
Okay, this is this is Brett Maverick, but we're going to put him in an urban setting. So, basically, he's the same kind of character as as uh as Brett Maverick.
>> I think he's a little harder edged though, those first two seasons, especially of um of >> Oh, yeah. It's not exactly there's some where there's one where a girl a woman he was dating was murdered and boy he is he is out for blood in that one. It's a real fun episode and I mean it's dark but he is not messing around. You can see when Rockford is pissed he is going to lay into you big time.
>> We got quite a few comments. Rob, you want to pop some on? Who? [laughter] >> I don't even know where we left off, but >> So, and and I believe Craig, you've seen it probably more recent than me in that pilot episode. Uh he didn't drive the Firebird. The Firebird was uh something he was working on. It was a project. It was shown, but he was uh I think he was working on it to repair it.
>> Oh.
>> In the pilot. And I don't remember if he was what he was driving was if he was driving a Rocky's truck or what he was driving in that.
>> You remember Jim? You just saw the pilot recently.
>> I could have sworn he drove the Firebird. Maybe I'm wrong, [clears throat] >> but he was an expert driver.
>> I know there was a thing where he was trying to fix it up.
>> Yeah, I I think something had happened to it.
Um, oh no, no, he was he was driving it in the uh >> because at the end of the episode it got blown up.
>> Oh, >> the Firebird got blown up. So maybe you're thinking the >> Maybe you're thinking the first episode.
>> Yeah, [snorts] because he was driving it in that >> Yeah, that is a very striking vehicle and most of these when the Firebird blew up. [clears throat] >> They went through a lot of Firebird on that show. [laughter] >> Oh, they must have. And also he um you know we all know that Garner or most people probably know that Garner was an ace driver when he made the film Grand Prix.
The real race drivers that as consultants of that movie said he was he could have actually been an actual you know >> well he showed >> race race driver >> stunt drivers how to do how to do the the job like this what they're referring to where he do the 360 turn or whatever.
He had to show he had to show stunt drivers how to do that because they didn't know how to do that.
>> Yeah. [laughter] >> Well, I love the stories of how he would avoid paparazzi by zoom by leading them on a merry chase and and you know doing all sorts of trick car tricks and turns and they could never keep up with him.
[laughter] So him and Paul Newman were supposedly really good drivers.
>> Yeah.
[clears throat] >> Yeah.
>> I call it a 360. It would be more technically a 180, not a 360. He did a 180 is what he would do.
>> There's some good car chases in that.
It's not the Steven Canal days. And of course, Steven Canal worked on Rockford Files, but later when he was a producer of his own shows and they would have, you know, long car chases in Hunter and the A Team and things, but >> well, at least the the car chases in Rockford didn't go on too long. I mean, I watched that Harry O uh pilot and the and the the car chase at the end was just, oh my god, it was going on forever. I said, "Okay, enough is enough, man. just and it's not >> I don't know. I like seeing that stuff now because they just don't do that on TV now. You look at these shows where they're launching cars gleeully through the air and scratching around.
>> If you're not doing it right though, man, it's it's just okay. Get this off.
>> Usually they the ones that in the canal shows like Hard Castle McCormick or whatever, you know, those would be done in a in about two minutes, you know, but um yeah, you just don't see that kind of stunt work these days, you know. So, >> what would be your choice for PI cars?
Oh, that's a good that's a good question. Um, I he's not a PI. I don't Someone mentioned above the that is Colche a PI? No, he's a reporter, but I love his cream yellow Mustang convertible.
>> Okay. In and in this series I just watched, Sugar with Colin Frell. He's driving a vet.
>> I think it's a maybe a 67 vet. I don't know. I don't know that much about the years, but it's a it's a vintage Corvette and it's >> I think the Riptide boys have a Cor vintage Corvette as long along with their pink helicopter and their sailboat. But uh >> but but second choice would be Rockford's Firebird.
>> Yeah, I would Yeah, I think you're uh I think shows I think that your two shows that you pick probably have the two best cars.
>> Of course, the Ferrari. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. [laughter] Yeah. Yeah.
>> Explode at the end of it.
>> Yeah.
>> Kit Kit's what counts. Yeah. I mean, I I I I don't know. Could you call Michael Knight a a PI? I guess he was more of a special secret operative or something, but um >> I don't know. Were they paid for their services? It was a >> true. I think he was paid, but he might have been paid. I think weren't they kind of a government?
>> No, it was a it was a company. the rich but uh but I think it was a philanthropic wing of it where this rich >> Okay.
>> Yeah. I don't don't remember him ever getting paid by clients. But of course the aid team never seemed to get paid either some >> Well, Michael would have taken the payments. It would have been it would have been the guy worked for who took the payments if >> Yeah. Edward as an operative.
>> Yeah.
>> Right. Well, you know, there's lots of um you know, there's lots of gray area, I suppose, in there. But the strict PIs we're talking about are these usually the the guys that are on the crap end of the stick, you know, left holding the bag sometimes. And once in a while, Rockford cleans up with a really nice uh paycheck, but um >> very rarely.
>> $200 a day plus expenses.
>> Yeah, $200 more than often.
So $200 though in um in in the 70s was not too shabby, was it? I mean I mean it maybe not enough to be getting shot at, but you know just >> Well, the thing is, you know, it's not like he was doing that every day. You know, he didn't have cases every day and doing this every day expenses, you know, that had to get him by for some pretty long dry spells.
>> Probably.
>> Yeah.
>> Plus the fact that half of his clients never actually paid him. [laughter] >> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Yeah. I don't think he got paid much when um Beth Davenport roped him into a case. She might have paid him in some other uh ways by take she took him out for tacos or something, but she wouldn't usually uh >> That's funny cash.
>> That's another thing I loved about the Rockford Files. You know how TV shows have a drink in front of them or food, they never eat it.
>> Jim Rockford, he chowed down on stuff >> and he'd be he'd be at the taco stand.
He'd be digging into that taco, you know, drinking the beer. And I love that about that show.
>> That got to be a thing. You just wait for that scene when he's at the restaurant and he's digging into the burger or whatever he's eating. And that was I love that. Love that about that show.
>> So, here's a here's a trivia question.
So, what fast food chain drive-thru fast food chain made its first TV appearance on the Rockford Files?
>> Oh.
>> Oh, man.
>> Jesus.
>> This is This is probably a Southwest West Coast thing more than anybody else, but >> I don't know. I I'll know as soon as you say it.
>> Yeah, let me.
>> I don't have an idea either other than it would be maybe a a Taco Bell or something, but No.
>> Jack in the box.
>> Jack in the box. I was just gonna ask you if you're going to put up some pictures there, Rob. But >> there he is, man.
>> There's his >> You know for a fact he was digging into that burger, too, in that scene.
>> Yeah. Well, that's >> We should mention some of the people Oh, go ahead, Jim. Sorry.
>> That's what I like about the Harry Boss series. I don't know if you guys ever watched Bosch.
>> I've watched the first few seasons of Bosch >> and and they do a lot of that, too. Like when I watch Bosch, it kind of it's very reminiscent of the Rockford Files to me.
And uh and Bosch will be, you know, and his daughter will go to some taco stand and they'll be they'll be sitting there, you know, eating a taco and these are real places in Los Angeles. So >> yeah.
>> Yeah, that's a really good show. If you guys out there audience haven't watched Bosch, yeah, it's highly recommended.
>> There are some spin-off Bosch show too, I think, as well, right?
>> Yeah, Bosch. Bosch some I forgot the title, but it's going >> Bosch Legacy.
>> That's it.
>> And then more involved or something.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. $200 in 1970s is$1250 a day now.
Yeah. Not too shabby. But whether you'd be getting is that Canadian or American, Keith, [laughter] >> but I just wanted to mention some of the the people who worked on uh Rockford. We had Steven J. Canal who wrote for it and he went on to be a big producer in the 80s. And we had David Chase working on it. Oneita Bartlett was another woman who wrote for the show a lot.
>> Lee Brackett did some Howard Brown.
>> Really?
>> Howard Brown. Yeah. Yeah.
>> Nice.
>> Yeah. And um yeah, just a lot of really good scripts. It got the show got a veered a little more into the comedic I think later in the series, but still very good episodes. the earlier seasons are a little little grittier, but um you know, Rock Jim Jim Garner is Rock for that that show is just really I mean there's a lot of pieces that go together to make that show, but he is the lynch pin for sure for that series.
>> Yeah.
>> He's got that easy kind of he's he's got charismatic and good-looking, but he's you know he's older now and he so he's he he's human scale. He gets hurt like you said. He's sharp as attack as far as figuring out what's going on. He doesn't trust anybody quite often that he thinks that he's always looking for the angle they're playing on him. He's like the reverse maverick where he he do he does run cons occasionally, but he's he's looking for the con, you know, and he's just so lovable, likable, every man sort of a character that it's uh it's it's just perfect.
>> Yeah. And he was a Korean War vet, I think, wasn't Rockford. He he had fought in Korea >> and we never >> I think a lot of those guys were >> we never actually know why he was in prison but he did get pardoned for it.
He wasn't parrolled. He was pardoned.
>> Yeah. Which which is an important distinction.
>> Yeah.
>> You know.
>> Yeah.
>> I think he was accused of I think he was accused of armed robbery.
>> Armed robbery.
>> That that I believe was the charge. But they eventually >> they eventually cleared him and he got pardoned by the governor which is why he was able to get a PI license.
>> Right. But the a lot of the police still never liked him other than his friend um >> Becker.
>> Oh Becker.
>> Yeah. Becker. And they had a really good you know you got to have that's why so many TV cops and TV detectives always have a nice snarky cop friend usually on the force. There's Noah Berry Jr. is Rocky is dead. Can we talk a little bit about Rocky? He he was you bet >> excellent. He such a a great addition to the to the show.
>> You know that in the pilot episode they have had a different actor. Don't even know his name.
>> That's right. And that actor was okay, but he wasn't he wasn't >> no appeal whatsoever. He was Noah Berry Jr. just brought so much to his heart.
>> Perfect.
>> And and they actually kind of look a little alike, you I mean, no never in his on his best day was as good-looking as, you know, James Garner, but they look like they could have been related, which is >> Yeah.
>> helpful.
>> And he's such an endearing personality, Rodney.
>> Yeah.
>> Oh, yeah.
>> And when I watched Magnum, I watched an episode with Noah Berry Jr. as >> Yeah, that's a good episode where he's on the run kind of. Yeah. And his daughter is looking for him and hires Magnum. Yeah.
>> All roads lead to Floyd.
>> Yes. All roads lead to Floyd. A good first season episode. Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> There's a Sergeant Becker.
>> Becker.
>> What's the actor's name? Joe something.
I can't think of >> what' you say, Rob.
>> I said later to be promoted to lieutenant in the later seasons.
>> That's right.
>> But but his relationship with with Rockford kind of kept him from moving forward in the >> Yeah.
>> for the longest time. Yeah. And then uh there's Jeff's favorite.
>> Yes. [laughter] >> Again, he's a he plays that part very well. But there's uh Beth Davenport, Gretchen Corbett.
>> Always taking proono cases and and roping Garner in.
>> I would have punched Angel right in the mouth half the time.
>> There's Rita Moreno. Lovely Rita Mareno.
>> Yeah. And she was in Marlo. The movie.
Yeah, she's in Marlo with Garner, too.
And that's a terrific movie. Oh, there's Lance White.
>> Yeah.
>> What is it? What's the episode title?
>> Tall something imperfect. I forgot what it is. [laughter] White >> tall [snorts] white and perfect.
Whatever. Everything he does is Yeah.
It's so funny.
>> The The one that uh the one that Rockford was a little bit envious and jealous of of all the PIs that he met.
>> Yeah. It's the only one that he was because everything he does everything different from Rockford. Rockford's distrusting and Lance White is thinking every just going along like, "Oh yeah, she's telling the truth. Yeah, that's going to work out."
>> And Rockford's just sitting there beused while everything's perfect for for White. Yeah, that was a nice run up for uh Celic before he got his own PI classic, Two Purple Hearts. Yeah, Garner was in Korea. I think Garner had a Was he a producer from the get-go? Do you guys know from on this show? I think he was actively involved.
>> Yeah. Yeah, he was Cherokee Production >> with Huggin, right? Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> So, he probably shaped, you know, had, you know, of course, shaped the character.
Joe Santos. Thank you. I wanted to say Joe De Santos because there's another actor called Joe Dantos and I didn't want to call him by the wrong name.
Thanks MC for that. Yeah, Joe Santos.
He's shows up in some other things and he's really good. Yeah, Universal pulled the actress that played Beth uh who they had under contract from the show in the fifth season.
some dispute between Universal and Garner. Okay. Yeah, I remember hearing some >> dispute between Universal and Garner.
She had her own contract dispute with Universal. So >> that's okay.
>> And that's and that's why >> Yeah, I remember hearing something about that. Yeah, I haven't watched all of Maverick. I've probably watched, you know, 40 episodes or something, but there's a whole bunch I haven't seen.
>> Well, he was out after the third season >> and he had the dispute with uh because they weren't paying him the money that he deserved. He'd go on.
>> Did I say Maverick? I meant >> Nice and all kinds of stuff. And and him and uh >> they never paid Jack Kelly.
>> Jack Kelly. Jack Kelly was okay with it.
He stayed on with the series, but James Garner said, "No, I'm not doing this."
>> No. All those guys, those Warner Western contract players just were expected to do all these tours for for nothing.
>> And good for James Garner stepped down.
>> Garner fought him. Yeah.
>> Yeah. They they hit him with the breach of contract suit and he won and got out and um you know they roped in um you know Jack Kelly stayed and they roped in Roger Moore is the British cousin Bo Maverick for a while and they even had Robert Colbear play a couple you know uh I think he was Brent Maverick and Robert Colbear from the time tunnel was like please don't they put him in the exact same outfit that that Garner wore and he says please don't do that no one's going to like me if you do that and they did and he only lasted two episodes. But yeah, no, Garner was a guy who didn't uh didn't wouldn't roll over for that kind of stuff. So, good on him.
>> And he set the bar for other people after him, too. So, good for him for going to bat like that.
>> Yeah.
>> I know I've said this before, but he's in two two of my favorites of their genres is Rockford Files is my all-time favorite PI show.
>> Mine, too. And Maverick is my all-time favorite western. [laughter] >> Yeah, >> I love Maverick. I couldn't go that for that for me for Maverick, but I you can't argue with Rockford Files is pro is the is arguably the best PI show.
>> His personality is just they make both those shows. And >> both of them had really good writers. A lot of the Maverick shows came from Western short stories that they adapted and then put Maverick into. Oh yeah, that's a great writing was always really solid on that show.
>> Yeah.
>> And Jack Kelly people used to think, "Oh, it's Bard. It's not Brett." But you watch the Jack Kelly episodes, he's usually given the more serious stories.
Not that Garner couldn't carry those, too, but he gets his share of them, but uh he got a lot more of the con ones and Jack Kelly. Jack Kelly is really good.
He's really good.
>> He did a good job. And good for him for, you know, I mean, they each stuck to their own principles and Jack, you know, Jack Kelly knew that he he didn't have the chance Garner had to make it big in movies. So he knew that where his bread was buttered, I think.
>> And he got into real estate and did very well. He cleaned up. So uh and like a lot of guys that did got into real estate in Hollywood there. And I think the plan was with the Maverick, the Brett Maverick TV show in the 80s where they brought it back and uh they brought Jim Kelly in as Bart for the last episode. And the the idea was that they were going to alternate again in the second season, but then they canceled the show. So >> I think a lot of that, Rob, too, like like liking Maverick and Rockford is a it's a nostalgic thing, you know, because that's that's what they played when when we were growing up. I'd come home, I'd watch I'd watch both shows, and a lot of it a lot of it is nostalgia.
>> Oh yeah. You know, >> I think also for people who don't really like westerns, I think Maverick is a good inn because it's it's sly. It's often funny and sometimes capery crime mystery elements in it. So, it's not and he doesn't really want to get into gunfight. He's not the fastest with the gun. He uses his wits. I So, I think a lot of people that may not take to westerns can approach Maverick pretty easily. Like Gunsmoke ran for like 20 years and I I'm hardressed to remember any episodes of Gunsmoke >> because I didn't watch a lot of the Gunsmoke.
>> I didn't watch much growing up, but uh because it looked like ass on the unreed things, but now that it's been cleaned up there there there's some amazing shows, episodes.
>> Oh, yeah. Like Have Gun Will Travel. I mean, that was another great western too, you know, and I've got I've got the first season back behind me and that was another great western. But again, it just But you know if you don't like if you don't like Maverick did Maverick resonated with people for some reason >> and >> I think Garner again >> that comes down to it a lot because of James Garner I think.
>> Oh yeah Jack Jack Kelly was just as appealing too.
>> But uh yeah.
>> Yeah. A lot had to do with the the the actors that are involved in it and like I said a lot of it has to do with the writing because I've rew I can rewatch Maverick and it doesn't feel dated.
>> Yeah. It feels like it feels just as watchable now. Where there's other shows, you know, you go back and you love them as a kid, then you go back and you rewatch them, you go, [laughter] >> it's always nice when a childhood favorite still stands up, you know. But >> jumping ahead, Rob, that just what you said. I'm I'm re-watching Magnum and I'm And they're not standing up for me.
>> Really?
>> Really?
>> They really are not standing up for me.
I think you got to wait till the second season there uh where they starts to really kick in more. Yeah. I don't know.
Like again like like there just the values from the 80s maybe just uh it just don't work now. I don't I don't know what it is. I'm watching them saying man that's but I don't know. I don't know.
>> Maybe I gota watch later seasons. Yeah, because when I watched So Jim, when I got I started got the DVDs before I got the Blu-ray set and I was watching and I was like, well, you know, the this is pretty this is good. I And there there's a episode at the end or towards the end of the first season that stars Aaron Gray who should have had come back on the show. It's so good. Um or she's like a security consultant and she's just, you know, luminously beautiful and she and that's a really great episode. And then from season two, they start to dig more into the Vietnam er their Vietnam past. They start to dig into, you know, his mysterious past with his wife that disappeared and became like a special agent or whatever. And they start to really dig a little more deeper in this and then by the second and third season, the show is really hitting its stride.
So, >> well, you know, you might want to forward into it.
>> Some some good writing. I remember there was one one episode that was very where he went back in time.
>> Yeah. Yeah. That was that was a cool episode and they experimented like that which I liked.
>> They did that twice actually, but the first one is better. They did another one. The first one is where he's he's he's set like a actual 40s in 40s >> [snorts] >> uh Hawaii where you know he he meets Higgins and he's kind of thinking like himself like you know he doesn't meet Higgins sorry he meets um TC and TC is a mechanic on the planes but he can fly and he says you can fly. I'm sure you can. So, take me up. And he's like, I get in trouble if I do that. So, it was kind of period appropriate.
>> It was really he wakes up and he's telling he's studying this cold case from that time period and his dream helps him solve it, right? So, yeah, it's a very good episode.
>> That was a good episode. That was >> I didn't mind playing around with the format. They did a lot of um in the later seasons they played around a lot and it's quite fun.
>> Then there was that episode, did you see the sunrise?
>> Yes.
>> You guys know that episode and that was that was a powerful episode. It's a two-parter. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Where this Vietnam, this guy, this Russian guy that tortured them in Viet some Vietnam Vietnamese prison camp or something comes back >> and uh Yeah. Magnum takes him out at the end. Yeah. So good. Yeah.
>> One of the regulars get gets knocked off by this guy and Magnum is just uh Yeah.
He's out for blood because his buddy got shot.
>> He shoots him down.
>> Yeah. [laughter] >> Yep. Are we going straight into Magnum?
>> I guess we are. Sorry, Rob. We're breaking the structure of uh alternating, but that's >> no structure. [laughter] >> It goes where it goes. I just want to get the uh >> get more comments.
>> Oh, okay.
Um yeah, have Gun Will Travel is definitely in syndication these days.
It's a very good show. Richard Boon, who played tough guys all the time, was really intelligent guy. All right, Magnum.
And there's the great cast that gel so well together.
>> Yeah, >> there's another episode that I wanted to mention, Jim, that you should check out.
It's from season four, I think. I forgot the title, but basically um we find out some past about Magnum's dad. And um Magnum is out every year for this reason. He goes out on his surfboard or something or his or his maybe his kayak and he's way out in the sea and some storm comes in and he's stranded just floating in the water and he's remembering his dad before he goes off to fight in the I think the Korean War or something uh that uh you know to he's trying to teach him how to swim and stuff and it alternates with flashbacks to when he was a kid and he's trying to stay alive and his friends start feeling something's wrong you know what Magnum should have been back now I have I have a weird sense, you know, and so Higgins, it shows the real act. Even though they banter and just, you know, fight with each other all the time, his friends just really love him, too. So, >> even Higgins, you know, >> I recall that episode because I watched them all. I watched Magnum religiously.
So, yeah, I do recall that.
>> And we have to say, you know, he's one handsome dude, so it's no wonder that women went crazy for him.
>> Well, it was a hit with the ladies, except for that Mickey Mouse voice of his. [laughter] >> [clears throat] >> Yeah. Well, that's the thing that's makes him so fun, right? He's this big beefy guy. He's a badass. He's like a former Navy Seal or something, isn't he?
Or he's got some sort of real badass background >> in the Navy. Yeah.
>> And he is and he is a good detective.
He's smart, but he has his flaws. He's he's willing to go for the comedy quite often to poke fun at himself. He's always sponging off his friends for help and things and hardly ever paying him back. And so he Celich kind of cuts his beefcake kind of look with this kind of uh, you know, comedic side and his, you know, high-pitched, you know, squawk occasionally and stuff.
>> He's still like a teenager. He's he's got that, you know, sense of fun that a teenager would have. He's he's a little immature, you know, he which which is appealing in in some ways, I guess.
>> But >> yeah, boyish charm. But when he needs to really crack down, he will really, you know, crack down big time. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Boyish charm. That's perfect.
That's that's exactly he had that boyish charm, which is appealing to a certain extent, but then as you said, he was able to turn that off and be a a little hardcore when he needed to be.
Well, and also we should mention his third wall breaking when he frequent or fourth wall breaking or whatever they call. I guess it's fourth wall. He he looks at the camera quite often, including that famous scene where he's holding the girl up with their derriè in the air while he's she's in the water and he's like looking going like, "Aren't I lucky?" You know, he's got that little there's all sorts of he winks at the audience, you know, and stuff.
>> Yeah. I guess he was doing that before Deadpool, I guess.
>> Yeah. I mean, I feel about that really.
He doesn't he doesn't push it too much, but he does it occasionally. And it's I find it really really uh charming myself. So >> yeah, as long as he didn't overdo it, >> it could be endearing. Yeah, >> Rob was ready to say something. Rob, what did you want to say?
>> I don't even I I was just going to say I think that's why um like Rockford and Magnum were both high up on my list because I think the thing that they both share is both their characters are really charming. M >> I mean they just they both have that personality where you know I still like I still love the hard-boiled detectives but there's you know >> it's very >> well they show they show their human right. Yeah, >> like like Rockford Magnum gets hurt.
Magnum gets shot. He gets he punches someone. Sometimes he goes, "Oh, I don't want to fight this guy." You know, he's really good at fighting, but he doesn't really want to generally speaking.
Right. Then he >> was very frustrated by >> Yeah. Frustrated by >> by idiots. Yeah.
>> Yeah. [laughter] He had a short fuse for uh for morons.
>> Yeah.
>> But but Rockford was very respectful of women.
watch him.
>> I think Magnum is too actually.
>> I think Magnum Magnum is pretty respectful too actually.
>> You're not finding that so in the rewatch, Jim? I think Magnum's pretty respectful of uh his female clients anyway.
>> Well, he likes his stewardesses. Let's put it that way.
>> Yeah. Well, he you know, he he had fun, but he >> one episode he gets binoculars out and he he starts looking at these women who were playing in the in in the pool outside. And I'm thinking, okay, that didn't age too well.
>> Well, he's more lascivious than Rockford, but not that Rockford is a monk by any stretch, but I think his female clients um and he'll go out of his way to help a damsel in distress like all good private detectives usually. So, you know, >> as they should, as they should. But I I'm from the Marvel school where you just kind of hands off, be respectful, hands off, >> less of the good way of life, but it's not so interesting when you're watching in the 80s, you know, you want to see some I candy and some and you want to see on the I don't know if that's why I watched them, >> but I guess it was okay. I'm not trying >> that I mean, I watched him because he was a cool guy, you know, solving crimes, but I didn't, you know, I was a teenage boy then, so I wasn't sorry to see girls [laughter] around here.
That's I watched Wonder Woman for that.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. [laughter] >> Okay. We have some comments here. What do we got Deb saying?
>> Yes. The hardboiled ones are okay. So are the perpetually poor and depressed.
>> Yeah, that's true. Yeah. The upbeat ones are better. Yeah.
>> Well, they I think they had that that's another thing about Magnum that's pretty clever because he's not rich, but because he must have done some he's done some favor for this >> Robin Masters. zillionaire guy Robin Masters. He gets to live on this lush estate, drive his Ferrari, you know, and he's constantly needing money and things and but and if he point Higgins, >> it's a sore point for Higgins that that Robin Masters allows him the run of the estate and the the use of the Ferrari and uh Yeah. Yeah.
>> And it's great because, you know, you see we got the shabby shabby office and the poor, you know, I mean, and Rockford has a comfortable trailer and all that.
that's not he's not doing too badly, but you know they they're able to kind of uh keep that um you know to kind of keep a foot in both worlds that way you know with them. Yeah, I had mentioned Brett Maverick before MC. Yeah, that that's the one where he brought Jack Kelly back in the last episode and the problem with that show I liked it. I watched at the time. Um, they they leaned too far into his making him kind of like a little crooked almost Maverick where he wasn't >> Well, don't forget don't forget there was a couple of reboots. There's Brent.
>> Well, there was Young Maverick.
>> Young Maverick, >> but then there was another one like I could be wrong.
>> Well, I think it was Young Maverick and then Brent Maverick, but he was started another series called Nicholls in between before >> there was Nicholls. Yeah. Yeah. But wasn't there like New Maverick or something? Maybe not. Maybe I'm I'm I'm wrong.
>> Well, maybe it was New Maverick instead of Young Maverick, but it was I think he just had a cameo in that one. But >> there was Young Maverick where he had the cameo at the beginning. Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> And the other guy who played Young Maverick had no appeal whatsoever.
>> No, him and Jack Kelly showed up to bolster it and it just didn't work. But uh >> didn't work. I think those are really good pairings though, uh, Ma, uh, Rockford and Magnum, because I think they they're in a way kind of similar vibe in a way. I think kind of >> funny because when Rockford ended, that's when Magnum started.
>> Yeah. Magnum took over the uh, Hawaii 5.
They took over the >> white started in 1980 and it kind of carried on carried on after James Garner >> and then he played Lance White in the Rockford Files. So it was kind of it was kind of a passing of the torch I think.
>> Yeah. I hadn't thought of it the way you mentioned it earlier about how PI shows kind of just died out after after you know they had you know I guess it was kind of one Hard Castle McCormick. I guess he was more of a more of a cop slash former thief, but they had a few Jake and the Fat Man and things, but by the end of the 80s, they were pretty much off the air. Those kind >> They lost their appeal. Yeah, >> I guess the cop shows took over as you said. Yeah, >> they had quite a few, but they didn't most of them didn't have the lasting power. They were >> one and done or half season and done.
And >> yeah, it was cop cops all the way, I guess. And >> yeah, >> then then it went to like things like burn notice and you know kind of former spies who were kind of doing troubleshooting sort of things. So that's not quite the same of course. So >> those heartto-he heart >> I can't remember. They're more like the Nick and Norora. They didn't take any money because they were rich. They were just Nick and Nora kind of types that rich types maybe do >> that's a fun show.
>> That's a fun show.
Hello, Constants.
>> Hi, Con.
>> Hey, Constants. How you doing?
>> Well, Jim, what you said that uh so what parts was it just the the womanizing aspects that weren't holding up? Were the scripts not working for you? What was the deal with the first Magnums that you were watching that weren't quite >> I don't know. It just I mean the 80s I think man they they they seem you know in the 70s they seem less dated than the shows that came around in the 80s which is odd to me. I think that's that's that's fair. But yeah, there were some there, you know, like Simon and Simon.
>> Simon and Simon was great. And then they had the crossover episode with Magnum, which kind of helped boost the Simon and Simon show. I watched I watched that show, too.
>> And and the uh the the relationship between their brothers was was kind of a cool thing. That's what I liked about Simon and Simon. And they had the banter back and forth. And of course, their their dog's name was Marlo.
Yeah, >> I always said that if I ever get a dog, I'm gonna name him Marlo.
>> I think it was Rick's dog. I don't think uh you know, Preppy liked having the slobbery dog around too much. Rob, you were gonna say something. Sorry, we I cut you off.
>> I was just I'm sorry. I was just going to agree with Joe there. Moonlighting started out great. It was >> Yeah.
>> And then uh Yeah, >> that Well, that's they call that the moonlighting effect, you know, the will they or won't they? And when they consummate that, then the show kind of ends. So they couldn't that same thing happened with Lois and Clark. They tried with them as a couple and it was cancelled. So you know for some reason that >> what do they call it? US unreieved sexual tension thing. Um you have to have really good writing to write a couple, you know, a loving couple. Uh or you have to have great chemistry. I wouldn't say Heartto-Hard had great writing, but it had good chemistry between the leads, Stephanie Powers and Robert.
Weren't we talking about the Spencer books, Jeff?
>> Once they brought Susan in and and it became more about the relationship between them, >> that than about >> I like Susan for a long time, but then after a while, like you said, it gets cozy. Kind of gets too cozy. Okay, here's this. Well, I think what I put it down to is when Pearl the Wonderdog joins. Now, I love dogs.
>> Yeah.
>> And Black Labs are great dogs, but after that, it's just so cozy. It's there's a couple of bright spots later on and the books are always easy to read and entertaining enough, but >> yeah, >> it's those first like dozen that are really good. And Susan's in almost all of those, but you know, and they break up for a little while and >> um >> then he something different than than PI novels. They became more I I don't know.
Yeah, they just weren't as good the later ones.
Speaking of PI shows though, there uh I didn't used to like it, but now I've I've watched the first couple of seasons again or parts of it. And um this the Spencer for higher show is really good actually. It's quite good. PI show >> perfect casting for Avery Brooks is perfectly cast as Hawk and they filmed in B they demanded and filmed in Boston which was really a lot of flavor.
>> I do believe that I watched the show first before I started reading the books. So when I read the Spencer novels, I picture I I picture Spencer as Robert Urick and Hawk as Avery Brooks.
And that was perfect casting. Avery Brooks.
>> I'm still not sold on Robert Urick 100%, but he's better than I remember him. But >> I like Spencer.
>> I I like him more now. I didn't really because I read the books first, so when I saw the series, I was like, he's a little softboiled for this guy. But watching the show again, he's pretty he's pretty close. But Brooks is spot on.
>> Later TV adaptations, they had Joe Montana as Spencer and that does not work for me.
>> No.
>> You know, and now they have Marky Mark as Spencer.
>> Oh, that that that that was a piece of crap that movie.
>> Yeah. So So I mean when you look at those guys Yeah. Robert's looking pretty good.
>> Well, of course Robert Urick was a PI at Dantana in Vegas.
>> Yeah.
>> One of Jiggle shows.
Yeah. So, >> what was that, Rob?
>> Oh, uh, somebody else just meant that like, um, did rem do that, too? I can't remember. I I don't remember. Did they have a romantic relationship?
>> I think they >> I think it developed into one, but whether they ever consummated, I don't know.
>> I I wasn't really a fan of Remington Steel, but um it was okay, but uh not not my thing really. Yeah. Yeah.
Chemistry between the actors and they need to get rationship just right in a way that appeals to the majority of viewers. Yeah. Which is a tricky balance. Movies do better. Well, movies also, to be fair, only have, you know, a couple of hours. So, that helps a lot.
TV series that have to, you know, fill hours and hours and hours like they did back then.
>> Yeah. You were talking about the Nick and Nora Charles and that was a movie adaptation that was just the Thin Man that was just so >> Yeah. Which really improved on the novel. Actually, the novel's good, but the first Thin Man movie and well, the all the Thin Man movies are are great, but the first one is just awesome.
>> And yes, >> Vegas was Robert Europe, too. Was he I can't remember now.
>> Yeah. Yeah, he was.
>> Yeah, he was in SWAT. Yeah, he was in SWAT uh with um um Oh, what's his name?
He played the Baron. Dang it. I can't think of his name right now.
Um anyway, yeah, he was in SWAT and then he was he had a lot of shows. Vegas ran for three seasons. Spencer ran for three seasons. Eric could never get a show to run, you know, longer than three seasons, unfortunately. But he was a ubiquitous TV star who passed too soon.
He seemed like he was a really good guy.
So, >> I got cancer, right? Yeah, that was a shame. That was a real shame.
>> Well, any last thoughts on um on Magnum there? Rob, you gonna get Sorry, Jim, you gonna give it more shots?
>> Yes. Oh, for sure. Yeah, I'm gonna I really wanted to watch a lot more before I came on here, but uh yeah, I want to watch eight seasons, man. That's You can't catch up with all of that.
>> Oh, I can I can >> eventually [laughter and clears throat] eventually. Yeah, I've only I've I've worked through about 40 or 50 of these of the episodes on my Blu-ray box set, but it's >> I'm gonna polish off the Harry O series first, though. I think like that's two seasons, so that's that's not too hard to do.
>> No, I think it's only like 45 episodes or something.
>> Yeah, he was really upset when they canled that show.
>> Steve Forest. Yeah, thank you, MC. Steve Forest. What was that?
>> I said David Jansen was very upset when they canceled Ario. Yeah, >> he he wanted it to have longevity and he said he was done with TV after that.
>> Yeah.
>> You know, which was a shame because uh it seemed to be really well written.
>> I haven't seen his uh Ohara US Treasury show, although I'm sure it was a Jack Webb show, so I'm sure it'd be fun. And Jansen, it was great and everything, but um yeah, >> and of course The Fugitive is amazing piece of work. But I really like Harry O. He's so grumpy yet good-hearted, you know? He's really It's a really good PI show. They make it a little more they up the action, you know, in the second season where he's have getting into more fist fights and jumping around and stuff, but uh still really nicely written show with really good LA uh location filming. So, [snorts] >> I need to rewatch it. I have not seen that since its original air date.
>> Yeah, I never seen it till the DVD releases.
>> I' I'd watched it back in the day when it was on TV and it'd been decades since I'd seen it. So, I I I decided, yeah, I'd fire it up on YouTube and uh yeah, I'm gonna finish them off.
>> It's got kind of a that first those first like 10 episodes have kind of a downbeat, melancholy feel, even though they're not, you know, not super downbeat, but you know, he's he's kind of a shabby and shoporn and injured and all that, but um then he has his stewardous uh you know, uh neighbors who are a little more than neighbors quite often. There's some real there. Farrah Faucets's in several episodes is one of them. So >> yeah.
>> So that's that's that's fun. And >> Anthony, >> he's appealing too as a as >> Oh yeah, there's something about David Jansen that everyone that talked about him. All his leading ladies said he was just so great, so cool, so gentlemanly.
He's got those massive ears. Looks like he could soar into the air like Dumbo.
But he's, you know, he's he just he he pulls it off. He's got a really cool kind of uh aura about him. Yeah, that really like a lot of guys like Darren McGavin, we'll talk about him again.
There's there are people that might not these days would probably never be a leading man, but they're they are real charismatic, unique people back then.
Yeah, I have um the first two sets, Joe, of Simon and Simon. I just This is season two. I think my first set case is is somewhere else that I didn't pull out. Oh boy, my son's popping in here.
Hold on, you guys.
Why don't you start with one of your shows? I'll be right back.
>> Yeah. All right, >> I'll be right back. I got to take care of my son here for a bit. Hold on.
>> All right. So, the uh first show I did was another one that only lasted one season, and that was Long Street.
>> Long Street. I remember that. So, let me see if I can pull that up here.
>> He He was He was in another This isn't the one where he was blind, a blind lawyer. Was that Was this the one? Long Street.
>> Yeah.
>> He was a uh >> he was a private investigator, but he was an insurance investigator.
>> So, >> yeah.
>> In the uh he was uh in the pilot episode, uh there's a group of people stealing jewels from various places.
And at the same time, they show him with his wife out and about celebrating and um just I don't know if it was their anniversary. I don't remember, but they were just going out in the town. It's set in New Orleans. Um and when they get home, there's a bottle of champagne waiting for them with a note that just says because and they don't know who it's from. He goes upstairs to get glasses. His wife goes to pick up the bottle and it's a bomb. Kills his wife. He ends up blind.
>> Oh yeah.
>> And um and it turns out spoiler for who haven't seen at the end, but uh this he's he's like a famous insurance investigator. And so they know that he's going to be the one they put on this case. So they just preemptively try to take him out of the equation.
>> Oh my god.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> I I remembered from back in the day like it like like I said it's been decades since I've watched that.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. And it was uh I rewatched them. It's a really well done show. That's his his seeing eye dog packs.
And so the the pilot episode um he doesn't know that these two things are related yet or why somebody set this bomb off, but it starts off with him going to um a school for the blind to sort of learn how to get around in life.
And it was done really well. I mean, they they obviously did their research for for even even the thing where they show him getting out of a cab and giving the guy money and the cab driver asks how he knows what sort of denominations.
He tells them it's by the way the bills are folded, which is actually true.
That's how it's done. They fold different denomination bills in different ways. And uh so he's getting trained at this uh or learning from this school of the blind on how to get by and how to hear the difference between whether a sound is close or far away.
And they keep trying to tell him to get this uh seeing eye dog and whoops back.
>> Thanks Rob. Sorry about that.
everything. [snorts] >> Nice.
>> And uh there's a there's a really nice scene in there because once he finds out that, you know, he he's all about in that first one, oh yeah, you have it.
He's all about getting revenge on the people who killed his wife. M >> and the guy who runs the the blind school is he keeps trying to get him to get dog and finally they bring in packs and the guy says I'm not sure whether and and Longster is just like yeah I'll take him and and the guy the blind school guy is like well I'm not sure I want to let you have him. You don't you don't understand this isn't a pet. this is a partner that you have to love each other for this and right now you're just about getting even and so and and that follows through and I like the way they did this like in most in a lot of these shows where you know the wife or spouse gets killed as a motivator then by the time the next episode hits they're already >> off thinking about someone else or something >> and this actually goes through the series for this is sever several episodes where he keeps having these flashbacks about his wife, so it's done really well. Um, >> yeah, his wife's sister even shows up in a later episode.
>> Yeah. And there's the gang there. Uh, >> Marilyn Mason, >> Blizzard, Snow, and Snowflake. Four dogs.
>> Yeah, Snow and Snowflake are the same dog. They just sometimes call them Snow and Snowflake. So, they're three different dogs that played packs. And then um >> the lovely Marlon Mason who has one of the best necks in the business.
>> Yeah. And >> this only lasted a season.
>> It only lasted one season.
>> Yeah. I think it's only about 17 18 episodes actually. Not even a shame.
>> There's 20.
>> Is there that many? Is there pilot?
>> Yeah. Um, but unfortunately they put this show up against another crime fighting person with a disability and that Ironside.
>> Ironside. Yeah.
>> Ironside was in the ratings and >> Ironside was huge. Yeah. I watched much more of that than I did this.
>> Right. Even though this got um critical recognition as >> Oh, you're right. It's a full season 24.
Yeah.
>> So, it just couldn't compete. So, it got yanked after one season.
>> That's too >> Well, also in the pilot episode, we had different actors. We had um Martin Bezwick, a Bond girl. Martin Bezwick played the Marlon Mason Nikki Bell character. I believe she was the same character. And we had >> a very Frenchman.
>> Yeah. With a French accent. And And uh Bradford Dilman played Duke Paige. And I think John McIntyre played his dad. No, no. His blind his his blind uh expert instructor. That's right. Yeah. And blind.
>> Yeah. So that was So they recast for the series, but Peter Mark Richmond, who usually played bad guys so well and uh was very good as Duke. So >> yeah. And his position was he was the uh he was worked for this insurance company, Pacific something. I forget what it was.
>> That's right. [clears throat] He's the head. Long Street didn't actually work for the company, but that company was one of his big clients, right?
>> So, we would a lot of times bring him in for that.
>> So, he's really an insurance investigator, I guess, rather than a typical PI. But, >> so, yeah, a lot of the a lot of the stuff has to do with insurance crimes that he gets, but then he also takes in pro bono cases and things like that. Um, yeah. And then in the first regular episode after the uh let's see if I have it >> after the pilot, right?
>> The way of the what is it called? Let's see. I'll find out.
>> Got a cool cool title.
>> I see him. I always think of him in Planet of the Apes.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> That's Mr. He was in Mr. Novak. Jim, have you ever seen that where he was a school teacher?
>> James Franciscus is such a dedicated actor. He's so good as playing a blind guy. He's not doesn't overell.
>> Really good job.
>> He was a good actor.
>> And then intercepting fist. This is the one that >> he got uh that episode starts off with him getting beat up on the docks and somebody comes to rescue him and >> somebody who was also in Marlo >> Bruce Lee.
So Bruce Lee starred in four episodes in the series as his >> uh was he a gardener slashinstructor remember? [laughter] >> Uh yeah I think yeah >> but he was uh teaching him how to fight and uh and those were some >> episode ends wonderfully where where he goes back and beats the crap out of the bully that beat up on him before. It was great.
He he holds his own. So he keeps his own he keeps wanting to to win. And Bruce Lee has tell him you you need to stop trying to figure out how you're not get you're not going to get couple weeks of training and then suddenly beat up the guy was like says you just need to learn how to lose. You need to be able to hold your own enough to basically humiliate this guy in front of all of his people.
>> Yeah. That a blind guy is keeping >> the other people will turn on him and that's what he does. And it's it's just so well done. So, and this was >> Bruce Lee. Was Bruce Lee a regular on this or would just >> He was in four.
>> He was like a recurring gym.
>> Okay. So, he got >> four.
>> Cool.
>> Yeah, there were um remove that from the studio. And you'll notice in the in the title sequences, it all says based on car uh characters created by Bayernard Kendrick. So, this was uh based on the Duncan Mlan detective series. Let me >> Oh, yeah. Those Edward Arnold played him in a couple of movies.
>> See, how do I do this?
>> Yeah.
>> Interesting. I didn't know that.
>> Eyes in the Night. And what's another one? Yeah. Who has a who has a German Shepherd as well? Yeah.
>> Yeah. So, this is the first book of the series.
>> Matt.
>> Nice.
>> That's awesome. Yeah. And this is the second one. I'm trying to collect all of them, but this is the >> Oh, that's so cool. You found mapbacks of those. I've seen there. These are available on on uh as ebooks pretty affordably. The >> MLAN. Those are nice books. I love those Dell map packs, man.
>> Yeah, those mapbacks are great. I didn't >> I didn't make that connection between because they made a couple movies in the 40s about [cough and clears throat] that character, the Duncan Mlan character.
>> And they changed obviously they changed the name. His name is Michael Long Street instead of Duncan Mlan. And they also changed his backstory of how he got blind. Um in the >> Yeah. Because it's from that explosion that killed his was meant for him but killed his wife and blinded him. Right.
Yeah.
>> And in the uh in the novels, he was a military intelligence officer during World War I and he was blinded because of that of of a I think a bomb exploding during World War I.
That's that's my takeaway from from this show is that that's very interesting. I didn't know that >> that Long Street was based on that.
That's very cool.
>> Yeah. And it's a it's a real solid PI show. Again, 70s was the era of the PI shows. Uh >> yeah, they were big then.
>> There were so many. And they had you had, >> you know, the Fat Detective, the old detective Barney Barnaby Jones, Fat Detective Cannon, more of which later.
You had Long Street. You had Oh, they had they even did a couple of period ones. Banyan with Robert Forester and City of Angels with Wayne Rogers. And >> yeah, >> they must have just oversaturated the the airwaves with PIs and people just got tired of them.
>> Well, a few of them I mean Barnaby Jones and Canon were successful. I think Barnaby Jones ran for eight seasons and um that first couple seasons of Barnaby Jones really good. Really good show. I love >> a good show. I like how sneaky uh uh Barnaby is. He has his country old folks, you know, Buddy Epson's all folksy and charming and then drops the little hammer on them that he knows they're up to no good sort of thing.
That was a really fun show.
>> Remember nothing but the titles. And by the way, I believe you can watch all of these on YouTube. I think there's some >> another Warner archives.
Well, I think it's I don't think it's officially on YouTube, but you can you can find the full episodes on YouTube.
>> I'm just very surprised that Warner Archives hasn't slapped down on that.
>> I think >> actually that's not a war. That's that's a VEI. So maybe it's not >> Jeff, you can get by that on YouTube. If if you if you uh frame it as um you're you're you're doing it as u you know, commentary. You have to add some commentary to it. And then you're able to kind of get by those.
>> This one doesn't have any commentary.
>> Yeah.
>> Does it? I don't know. Hario >> surprising amount of stuff that gets on YouTube and I don't know how they get around.
>> A lot of those old movies. That's what they do. They they frame it with commentary and then you can play the whole movie and get past the uh copyright.
>> Uh it was uh 71 to 72 season.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. The books are quite a bit older.
Yeah.
>> Yeah. One season.
Yes. Uh yeah. Um I love this. I was probably seven, seven years old when it started and I was upset when it >> Oh, we have a lot of memories of being upset over shows being cancelled, don't we?
>> I was going to say TV was so important to us back then, man. You you just have your eye on the fall season and be so excited for the new shows coming on and then TV guide. Yeah.
>> Devastating, man.
>> What a favorite show.
>> Is in it a fair amount.
>> Yeah.
>> Pax. Pax is awesome.
>> Yeah. Pax is in it a fair amount. Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. 24 episodes. MC was correcting me there. Yeah. 24 episodes is a lot by today's standards. You're right. That's why when I these shows I get to these older shows on DVD and they only lasted a season. I'm like, that's all right.
That's that's that's that's, you know, it's sometimes daunting to collect something like Gunsmoke with 20 seasons of sometimes 35 and 39 episodes in a season. So, you get a one, you know, 24 episodes. That's that's a nice amount.
>> Well, that's why Garner got so exhausted, man. I mean, he was in every freaking scene of every show for 24 episodes a season, and it just that like mindboggling now. Shows don't do that anymore. No, they just can't even produce them yearbyear anymore either.
Hardly, you know.
>> Yeah.
>> Uh Joe has a really good Oh, yeah. Far Yeah. Joe has a really funny comment about everyone being shot in the shoulder on Barnaby Jones. [laughter] Yeah, that's true. Most TV things.
>> Flesh wound.
>> It's a flesh wound. Yeah. If you think about how many times the Cartwright boys on Bonanza got shot in the arm or something, they never would have lifted a gun again in their lives. Well, Magnum got shot in the shoulder, too. The in the pilot episode.
>> Yeah, I think he's shot in the leg in another one.
>> Happened a lot, man.
>> Yeah. Well, you can't kill him off, but you got to let him get wounded, I guess.
So, >> yeah. Yeah. The Bruce Lee lines on that, Deb are fantastic. I love when he appears on those because Yeah, it's done.
It's done. They don't try to turn him into >> They don't They don't miss mythical or whatever, right? You just make him a guy who knows how to >> He's obviously really good at figuring things out, >> but they don't they don't turn him into a superhum in it. So, >> hey Arian, good to see you.
>> Hey Aran, how are you? Good to see you.
>> The Hidden Eye.
>> The Hidden Eye.
>> Yeah, the Hidden Eye. That's the other movie. Thanks. Yeah, MC is helping me out a lot here when I >> For what what's that referring to again?
>> That's the Duncan Mlan movie with Edward Arnold. If you remember Edwin Arnold played If you ever saw Mr. Smith goes to Washington. He's the corrupt kind of grifter guy that's behind everything. He played bad guys a lot in movies, a lot of Frank Capra movies. And he played, at least in that um a couple of the movies, he played this Duncan Mlan, the blind detective guy. And The Hidden Eye was a lot of fun. I haven't seen it for years, but I remember watching it and really liking it. You might be able to find those on on YouTube.
>> Mark's talking about his mother collecting map packs. Yeah, I love those. I only have a few.
>> He has hundreds of them. Wow. I have maybe a dozen map backs, but I love those, man. Those >> I got one. [laughter] >> Why the hell do they not make paperbacks like that now?
>> I feel like And then they had the character list in the front, >> which they don't do anymore. They had the character list in the front you could refer to. They had the map back on the back. Beautiful. Beautiful.
>> I feel like every epic fantasy needs a map inside and every mystery needs a map back on the back.
>> Yeah. [laughter] character.
>> They made some western map backs too, right?
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Be cool.
>> Yeah. Romance.
>> Yeah. They have some in other genres as well.
>> Yeah.
>> So book much older than TV show. Yes.
Yes. Much older >> books are from the 40s and maybe 50s I think.
>> Yeah.
>> Was it World War I backstory? Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. He was a military uh intelligence officer in World War I. So yeah, >> that's that's very cool. I'm gonna look into that when we're we're done. That's cool. I'm gonna look for that long street on YouTube, too. Barnaby Jones was a good show.
>> Yep. It's surprisingly good. Everyone thinks, "Oh, old detective, but he's he's still cany, you know. It's funny to see him choke out guys like Whit Bissell."
[laughter] >> I did the same thing. I would highlight everything, but >> yeah, >> you know, I always had to worry if something if a sci-fi show was up against um >> Oh, it's a clash. It's a clash.
>> And if you missed it, you missed it.
>> Yeah.
>> You know, you'd have to wait for reruns.
>> There's a certain kind of magic about that because you were really excited about it. Now it's so nice that you could see anything you want when you want to. That's nice. So, we're really in a better world that way. But still, that you it loses a little bit of the specialness, I think.
>> Yeah, in some ways. I agree.
>> Yeah. My my parents were pretty generous with the TV, but uh we only had one TV, so if it was a show that was up against Gunsmoke or Dallas, we were screwed. We weren't going to get to watch it.
>> My parents weren't weren't huge TV heads, so they usually let me have pretty >> My mom and my brother were not interested in anything I wanted to watch. We had a little black and white TV, so Yeah.
>> And get a second TV in your room. That's the That's where it's at. Yeah.
>> Yeah.
[laughter] are amazing.
>> Uh yeah, very cool. And we got uh Austin, looks like Austin showed up. Hey Austin, how you doing, buddy?
>> And uh Eyes in the Night in the Hidden Eye. Yeah, >> are both on YouTube. Yeah, I thought so.
I thought they might be.
>> I'll look for them, too.
>> Said streaming ends at 1:00 a.m. But not watching other live streams. [laughter] Oh, no. Dallas. Yes. I was never a fan either, Deb. Yeah, I'm not a >> No, my mom loved Dallas, so if it was on up against Dallas, I was out of luck.
>> I'm sure I'm sure it's a good show. I mean, if I I'd probably really, you know, it's well made, but it's just wasn't my cup of tea.
>> Not my thing either.
>> No.
>> No.
>> Yeah. Long Street was a great choice.
>> Gunsmoke, Dallas, or Monday Night Football. I was >> out of luck. And those three were >> Dallas was Friday, wasn't it? Dallas on Friday.
>> I don't remember.
>> I think it was on Friday.
>> I I think what was it? Monday night at the movies where they alternated Columbbo and uh McMullen and wife.
>> I think I think it was >> Mloud. Remember Mloud?
>> I think it was Sunday and then they did a Sunday one with um Cool Million and Hec Ramsey and stuff like that. So, [snorts] uh, that didn't those weren't as successful. Banichek ran for a couple years. And there's a guy who's a kind of posh detective. He's an insurance investigator as well, but, uh, independent that with George Papard, Charlene Tilton in those tight stone wash, high-waisted jeans. It was everywhere.
>> Charlene Tilman posters were everywhere.
>> Yep. [sighs and gasps] 70s uh starlets were something else, I tell you. No tattoos, you know, much more uh real women looking. It's pretty nice look back then.
Going to bed in 10. Yeah. Well, thanks for stopping in anyway, Austin. That's cool. [laughter] Uh yeah. Um well, did you have any final thoughts on Long Street there, Rob?
>> Go to YouTube while it's still up there and check it out. Check it out. Good show. The pilot is really good. Even though the cast is different, pilot is really good.
>> Yeah. [snorts] I think it's funny because I was saying that the Nikki Bell and that has this French accent and I I kept wondering if she mistook the fact that it's that New Orleans that she >> mistook the >> French Quarter for a fullon European French accent. [laughter] >> Well, Martin Bezwick also is British, so they would have had uh, you know, to pull her over. So it was probably she probably expected it to be a oneoff and wasn't down for a series. Marlon Mason works out very well.
>> Oh yeah.
>> And she doesn't try a French accent. So [laughter] >> yeah, the Sunday mystery movie Colomo McMillan and Wife and >> 514 mapbacks. Oh my god. I didn't even realize they had 514.
>> Yeah.
>> Is she Is she missing any mark? There must be more than that. There's not much more. I would guess your mom must have a pretty complete set. Wow.
>> Would she would she be missing any if you brought them all to PullFest?
[laughter] >> She would be when you got your hands on them there, Rob.
>> I got a lot.
>> What's the address of your mom's home? I might catber it. Yeah. [laughter] >> That's That's the one. Sunday mystery movie. And the guy with the flashlight did the theme music. Yeah.
I was a late member to Columbbo, but I really like it now. I think it's a pretty >> That was a mustsee TV. Sunday night was mustwatch. You sat there for that.
>> And wife are the Mill and Wife is fun, but it they're they're very light on the mystery, but they're good fun. They have really excellent chemistry.
>> They were appealing. They had good chemistry, those two.
>> Yeah.
>> And Mloud's a really good fun show, too.
So Columbbo >> Cloud meets Dracula in the seventh season with John Keredine is Dra maybe a Dracula vampire character. That was good. All right. Yeah. Well, definitely second the plug for Long Street. Really good show.
>> So, what's on to the next one, Rob?
There. What was your next one?
>> Want me to go or you want to go take a turn, Jeff? Up to you, Rob. You want Since Jim did two in a row, you might as well do your second then I'll do two.
That might that works.
>> My >> Sorry, I threw you guys off your system there. I didn't >> That's all right. No problem. No problem.
>> You gave me no You gave me no training whatsoever. [laughter] >> Yeah, we didn't we didn't we didn't properly appraise you of the >> Jim that you think we have a system.
[laughter] >> Yeah. Our second our second episode.
Yeah, we're still making it up as we go along. My second show is one that a lot of people classify as SpyFi, but they were actually worked for a uh a global private investigation company and that was >> That's cool. You found that.
>> That's the one I had. I don't have anymore.
>> And then I also have the They only put out two of them.
>> That's the cover of the um that's poster is the cover of the Probe TV movie, which is not included in this set, unfortunately.
separately.
>> Robert Wverka, man. He he got around back in the day. He did a lot of novelizations back in the day. Yeah, that guy.
>> Who was the author?
>> Robert Wverka.
>> Yeah.
>> Oh, >> he all kinds of stuff he did. TV novelizations.
>> So, >> and I had that. I wish I still had that book. I don't know what happened.
>> There's so many novelizations out there that I need to track down.
>> Yeah, >> some of them are pretty cool. So, I have some of the ice the not ice spies, the uh man from uncles cuz those are fairly ubiquitous. But >> I got them here. Yeah, look.
I got all these here.
>> I think I only need a couple more and I'm done with that series.
>> Wow. I think there were like 20 18 20 something like that.
>> Uh well, I've got 23 24 I think.
>> Quite a few.
>> Yeah, >> that show must have been just so huge.
I've just figured out that I'm never done because there I keep finding that there's always something else out there.
>> You just you just can't worry about being a completist because you'll never >> get everything and just you'll never read everything. Just got to get a hold of whatever you can. There's good old Burgess Meredith.
>> I think Angel Tomkins play played one of the operator operators for a couple.
>> I've got her photo up here. Um I hope so. So, [laughter] so Burgess Marath played VCR Cameron who was sort of the director of >> Yeah. the director, I guess.
>> The corporation was a world securities corporation, a global private investigation company with a lot of uh very high-end clients, including governments who would hire them where they didn't want to have any direct involvement.
And they would um let me see >> they had three operatives and they had little >> some kind of is it a earpiece? They they could see what he saw and >> yeah could be >> you had a night each week between Hugh O'Brien Tony Franciosa.
>> Oh Franc Doug Mccclure >> which was probably some of my favorites.
He was a little more humorous. So >> yeah, he's like a like a surf bum kind of that gets roped in occasionally when they need one, >> but he's like kind of a computer expert, too, or something.
>> He was the he was the backup probe.
>> Yeah, he was the backup probe.
>> In his in his first episode, he was out, you know, surfing because that's what he does. and uh he got called in and his only job was he was supposed to deliver a replacement scanner to another operative but then that operative got killed so he had to take on the case >> and but he always had a little more humor and uh >> beach bum mentality and then uh uh uh god I just forgot his name already [laughter] uh >> Nick Biano Um, >> oh, right. He was a he was an ex cop.
Let me go back to >> Yeah, he's a little more hardernosed.
>> Yeah, he he was the one that didn't mind roughing up people to get answers.
>> Hugh O'Brien was more the slick kind of >> Yeah.
>> Hugh O'Brien.
Hugh O'Brien played Hugh O'Brien basically. But Well, [laughter] >> have you seen this show, Jim?
>> Oh, yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Long ago. I never saw this when it came out, but uh I' I've caught up with it on um on DVD, and it's a fun show.
>> It's been it's been, like I said, decades since I've watched it, but yes.
Yeah, I remember.
>> This is one This is one I watched when it was on in 72, I think. 1972. [snorts] Um, >> yeah, apparently it had a huge um fan base that were disappointed when it was cancelled because it was apparently people were clamoring at Warner Brothers Archive to release it and it was one of their most popular TV series releases.
It sold pretty well, I think, although it hasn't seen a Blu-ray ree yet, but um >> there's a Angel Tomkins as Gloria Harding. So she was So probe control was basically like a mini NASA where they would they their agents would have these miniature cameras that they could attach to a neck chain or to a a ring or to cuff links [snorts] that had a scanner that could feed them visuals of what was going on. Also act as a microphone. They also uh could get um uh medical telemetry off the person or people around them.
>> Yeah.
>> So if they were knocked out, they could tell if they were alive or not. Yeah.
[laughter] >> Before it's time borderline sci-fi, I guess. Yeah.
>> But that's the kind of stuff they have now, you know.
>> Yeah. And Angel Tommpkins played uh well before I go on that they also had >> not any lines but you know >> they also had a uh subcutaneous implant where they could listen to probe control talking to them and then they had a dental implant where if they couldn't talk they could tap out code.
>> Yeah. Kind of morse code or something.
Yeah. And Angel Tommpkins was in charge of she was like the medical person who would uh monitor their vital signs and would always [clears throat] get very jealous of Lockwood whenever he was with some lady and he would she would notice his heartbeat >> heart rate going up. But she's not in more than like the first three episodes or something, right? For whatever reason.
>> She's in um she's in more than that >> 20 20 of the episodes.
>> Is she really?
>> Yeah. Well, another one who's a agent or who's in the the the control center is I for I don't know his name. There's the he's the black actor who was in several Dirty Harry movies.
>> Yeah, it's um here I'll get to him in a sec. This Jenny Golden. She was Jenny Keith. He was another one that was in there.
>> They didn't they weren't very imaginative with her first name there.
>> No, they just they didn't want to have to remember the actor's name versus the character. So, >> they rarely got other than Burgess Meredith, they rarely got to say anything really. There he is. Albert >> as Albert. Oh jeez.
>> And he was the um uh code and linguist specialists. So if somebody was talking in a foreign language, >> he go translate to the agent and then tell the agent what to say back.
>> Wow. Very cool.
>> Yeah. And and there's a few others. I don't have all their pictures. There's uh >> they sometimes pull in um some other guest uh people to help out in in the in the control center. Yeah.
>> Yeah. That's their miniature >> credits were really cool. They had really cool credits like a lot of these >> attack neck chains that we all wore.
>> Yeah. Lot of turtlenecks, jean jackets.
>> Well, that's what you threw in for me.
Yeah, that's Joanna Cameron is in as a fem fatal in one episode and of course Isis Joanna Cameron. Got to have her in there.
>> She's in a McMillan and wife in some other episodes too. There's [clears throat] >> Yeah, >> man.
>> I gotta like uh gota like good old Dougl. He was everywhere in the 70s.
>> And then >> that was the actor who played a Cllingon in Star Trek. I forget what his name was in that episode. the guy behind the tree there in that shot you just had.
>> Oh, was that John Collicos or >> Was it John? No, no, no.
>> Or Michael and Sara. I don't think it was Michael and Sara.
>> No, no.
>> William, maybe William Campbell. Those are the big three. Uh, I forget come back on.
>> Wow. Six. They went up to 1500 in the map books, but after 6700, you start 600. They go up.
>> I wonder if those later ones are easier to find. I don't know. the duplicates, huh?
>> Wow, >> that's cool.
>> Yeah, heck Ramsey. Two seasons, but they weren't real season seasons because they were alternating. So, they were only I think Vanichek only has 16 episodes in the >> Well, they were like movies, weren't they? Weren't they like an hour and a half long?
>> Yeah, the Mloud ones started like 75 minutes and then they went on and same with the um with the McMillan uh and the uh Columbbo, but then they went to two hour length later. So, yeah. The name of the game. That's one that I wish would get released because that was a pretty interesting. But that was a newspaper journalist show, I guess. But those guys are there were rotating leads >> including Tony Franciosa.
>> Yeah. I'd watch Angel Tomkins in anything. Yeah.
>> Robert Brown behind the tree.
>> Maybe >> Robert Brown is the guy who plays M.
Later in the in the in the Bond movies, I think.
>> Yeah.
>> After Bernard Lee. I think that actor was was it the Trouble with Tribbles episode he was in?
>> I'm trying to think.
>> It could be.
>> You'd have to go back.
>> Trouble with tribles, I think, is the William William Campbell.
>> No, but he was a >> No, no, that that was true. Um, >> he was a secondary Cllingon.
>> Okay. I forgot the guy who was in the trouble tribles.
Now, even though search only lasted for one season, it did get its very own View Master reel.
>> Oh boy.
>> Wow.
>> I had to reacquire this. I actually had this as a kid.
>> Um I think they sold them at like Ben Franklin's or one of the five and dime stores.
>> Yeah. But >> yeah, it was William Campbell in trial for trial. Trouble with tribles.
>> No, he wasn't the main Cllingon. He He was There was other Klingons in that episode.
>> He was Kolaf.
Oh, so the guy you're talking about wasn't that main. Okay.
>> Your little real book.
>> Nice.
>> I've been looking I've been looking for a Tarzan view master uh thing forever.
Like it was done in like in claimation.
>> Not claimation like puppets. Wow.
>> And it was Tarzan. And I I >> that's taking me back.
>> I want If you guys ever run across a Tarzan one, snag it for me. Okay. You have an actual view master itself. You just need the slides. The the >> I just want the the Tarzan slides. And it wasn't >> I don't know where you'd even find one.
Maybe >> it wasn't photos and it wasn't a cartoon. It was like done with puppets like Claymation and just beautiful.
>> So amazing. I haven't been able to find it since.
>> I hadn't thought about View Masters for a long time. Rob, thanks for that flashback. That's >> They're very cool. Yeah.
So that was >> I've noticed that these are very much designed for the for kids eyes.
>> Yeah. You have to kind of squeeze it in like Okay. My my eyes aren't that close together that I can [laughter] >> you can do one eye at a time.
[clears throat] That's funny.
>> On Star Trek and then here comes Brides.
I also used to have the Star Trek you reel as well. Had a couple of those.
>> Yeah. Same as Yeah. They must have had a Star Trek one. That's cool. Yeah, I had completely they I they had got out of my mind too, Deb, until Rob just pinged my memory there with those. Yeah, I think I got I think I had one uh way back in when I was a little kid for a Christmas present at one stage, but I think it I I ran, you know, with a lot of those toys, you you play with you look at it about 12 times when you first get it and then don't touch it again, you know, usually. So, at least that's how it was for me. I got much more mileage out of my toy machine guns and cap guns and things like that. Army men.
>> GI Joe.
>> Uh, GI [clears throat] Joe. Yeah.
>> Yeah. [snorts] >> Yeah. Search is a cool show and um >> it was it was maybe not executed the best going back and rewatch it.
[clears throat] >> Yeah. It's not we're not talking by any. The casting was perfect. Um, it is >> and they have really good supporting casts.
>> It is one of those shows where um, every operative has females throwing themselves at them every single time. It's very very >> Yeah. Very 70s way.
>> Yeah. Um, but >> was it an Irwin Allen production by any chance?
>> No, surprisingly it was not. I can't remember.
>> Win Allen was done by that stage, I think, other than TV movies. Was that Lesie Stevens?
>> Yes, it was Lesie Stevens, the guy from Outer Limits, I think.
>> Yeah. Who also did Stony Burke with Jack Lord before this Dayar Productions, which is another amazing one season and done show. That's a rodeo show with Jack Lord is uh Bronco Buster. Yeah. Lesie Stevens usually whatever he got involved with was pretty good. Pretty good quality.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> But yeah, it didn't again one season and done. But >> I think that one, you know, you had three main leads, uh, salaries to pay.
You had some high-tech stuff that they probably didn't put much in after the much effort in after they built the initial set. But I don't know what it was up against, Rob, but it was probably had some fierce competition. you a lot of these shows that don't make it >> past the first one season have >> back then it may have been it could have just been too high concept for its time because it was very science fictiony of uh >> for a right around the time the $6 million man was coming out and stuff so >> right >> but but you sort of expect that from that show where I think as a private investigator show maybe people weren't quite >> Yeah I I was surprised that you included that as a PI show because I was thinking it was an espionage show, but you're right that that is a they do take contracts and they are paid operatives.
Yeah, >> it's kind of got a man from Uncle Mission Impossible vibe to it.
>> Yeah, >> maybe they're trying to recreate that kind of vibe.
>> Could be. Yeah, >> still be unique by making it a private private eye organization >> and >> Yeah, interesting.
>> Cool show. Yeah. I wish I still had that book >> if I read on my travels.
>> Yeah. Man. Yeah.
>> Because I'm going to be going on my trip to Pulpfest. I'm going to be going to places like uh Coass Books in New Mexico where they do the they do the um whatever the cover price originally was.
It costs half the cover price.
>> Really? Wow.
>> So this was 75 cents. So you're looking at under 35 cents to buy it at OS.
>> Wow.
>> That's worth a side that's worth a side tangent trip for that. Wow.
>> Oh yeah. I'll be I'll be probably spending an entire day or two just in New Mexico just >> I hope you do a few um you know take a little footage or little some snapshots.
Anyway, that'll be fun.
>> You want to try to do some videos on the road as I go through um >> play the Route 66 theme while you're driving up there. We'll see how that fair.
>> Really the pulpfest is only like four or five hours for me, but I just I just can't do it. Maybe >> it's probably you got your scheduling is probably the problem.
>> Yeah. Yeah, there's a lot going on. So, but >> Well, you made the pulp show there with Andrea and um >> Evian.
That's right. Evian Dogs. Yeah, >> I saw him today. As a matter of fact, that's what I drove into Toronto for.
>> Oh, >> I saw Ev.
>> He seems like a really nice fella.
>> Oh, he's a great guy. Alvin's a great guy. Yeah.
>> And that was cool that he got to Howard days, too. That was really cool.
>> Yeah. Or the guys. Yeah, that's that's a jaunt for him.
>> So, >> well, I I wanted to make it there this year, but uh I'm gonna I'm going to try to do it >> one of these days, Jim. Unfortunately, Howard Days is right smack when I'm teaching. So, I'm going to have to wait, you know, my semester. So, I'm going to have to wait till I'm It's It's always happening. I want to go to the TCM Film Festival. It's always when I'm working during the semester here. I've been trying to get down to Howard Days for since it began. So, I mean, I got to get >> I only found out about Howard Days recently thanks to uh John at um you know the and the the guys at the Roberty Howard Foundation, but I'd love to go but Pope Fest just to see mainly to see all the the cool booktubers that'll be hanging out there.
>> That's the only reason I'm really going because pricewise >> I don't think you're a lot cheaper.
That's why I'm trying to load up on my way there so I spend less when I >> I think it'd be fun to look at the vendor's room and listen to some of the talks and stuff, but I'd be going to see if I if I ever get a chance to go, I'd be going to see everybody that, you know, >> that's what it is for me.
>> So, to answer Nick's question there, I mean, what what Rob said, you know, half the cover, the original cover price, we don't get that kind of stuff, but uh >> you said some dollar and and$ five dollar books showed off.
>> It varies up here. Like it depends on where you go. Like if you if I go to a Value Village now, which is like Savers down in the States, they've way overpriced their used books, and I don't hold them anymore. Like for a used paperback, and you put a $10 price on a used paperback. So, I mean, if I go to uh some thrift stores, I can get them for a buck 50, wi-i, which is which is still pretty good for a used paperback, that's probably the cheapest cheapest you'll find a used paperback. up here for >> we used to have Value Village in Washington State, but I don't think it was they never carried any books.
>> I I used to Well, well, I used to get a lot of used books at Value Village, but I just I don't go there anymore because they've overpriced everything.
>> I think Half Price Books is not what it used to be either from >> Savers has done the same thing here.
I'll go in there and I'll see. They're they're obviously looking up the prices on eBay and then a lot of places and then just putting the same price but then but they're doing it with books at Savers that you know the covers half torn off and it's beat up and they're charging8 to$10 like well no >> what is that crazy that's not why you go to Value Village for savers you know you're going to get a deal so if that book is over $5 I'm sorry I'm not buying it >> I'd like to have a recycled book somewhere because Jake's always getting those really great condition books for a buck or three bucks or whatever. So, >> oh, some some of the YouTubers or booktubers that they get they buy lots of them for so cheap. I I wish I could do that, but it's tough.
>> Well, that's good information because I'm going to go into Canon pretty soon, MC. So, yeah, Canon was probably already middle of its run or something. So, >> so Jeff, your pick was responsible for getting my pick cancelled. [laughter] Sorry.
[laughter] Well, maybe I should start with Canon then and end with the other one. So, uh, yeah. So, do you want to catch up with a few more comments?
>> Let me just get caught up here.
>> We're a scary group, Jeff. Yeah, [laughter] scary group.
>> Same here.
>> Same here. Yeah.
>> Library book sales. Yeah, everyone talks about library book sales and I never remember seeing any in my neck of the woods, but they must be happening. My sister used to work for the library system in in Lewis County there. But uh I'll uh I'll be on the lookout for those uh when I'm back here in a little while.
>> Yeah, our library has just a constant sale area where they just that's all they do and it's it's a dollar a book. I think the timing for me for what I'd be looking for would would would might not be great because a lot of the books that I'd like to get a hold on probably have a hold of would probably have been sold in sales, you know, 15 years ago or something. That's probably would have been the time to get them. But they probably cleaned house on all those already. But it sounds like you still find some really cool stuff there. So you might have better quality libraries then. But >> well the well most the other libraries around they do the friends of the library thing where they actually have >> like a dedicated sale day or something.
>> Yeah. With a a volunteer staff there and stuff. And those ones they're fine but they usually charge a little bit more.
My main library here they just have a little place. There's no attendant or anything. You just bring them up to the regular desk.
>> Oh, I see. And then they then you you pay for them there.
>> Yeah. And but all the books, hardback, softback, doesn't matter. Vintage, old books from the 1800s, doesn't matter.
They're all a dollar. Everything's >> Wow.
>> So >> that sounds great. Well, no wonder you're having such great book calls all the time. And Jim has some good sources, too. He's always bringing stuff up. I'm looking forward I'm going to hit what I can and grab as many as I can and shove as many as I can into a suitcase on this upcoming day.
>> I get lucky. I get lucky sometimes. You got to be in the right place at the right time.
Like I got I got all those um Luke Short western paperbacks. I got like a dozen of them and I just happened to I must have got there right when they put them on the shelf. But then nobody buys westerns anymore anyway. So who knows?
Maybe they'd still be sitting there if I hadn't picked.
>> It kind of depends on the area, Jim. I think you're more urban and I know in my neck of the woods some people still read westerns because it's my where my family is from. My my house uh my home is home base is in in Washington. Yeah, >> it's pretty pretty rural. So, >> yeah, >> we do a little bit better there.
>> I'm sure a lot of people in the southern United States read a lot of westerns.
I'm sure that's still popular down there.
>> Yeah, the flyover states get do >> we have an insane number of Goodwill stores here in town.
>> Yeah.
>> So, we'll like I said, we'll go and just spend an entire 12 to 14 hour day just going.
>> Yeah. And you find good stuff in the Goodwill one. I I've been dragged into I had an ex-girlfriend. Every time we go there, there's uh, you know, they always have the people with the scanners, >> but luckily they ignore the books I'm into because I only get stuff that's pre-barcode. So, and it takes too much time for them to look it up. So, they just ignore all those.
>> Yeah.
>> Barcode was what, late 70s, early 80s when mid >> 80s.
>> So, they're getting the 80s horror and sci-fi and stuff.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
But they'll they'll leave entire rows of vintage books from the 50s60s because it's too much time for them to sit there and >> they're they're dealers. E they're the bane of existence.
>> Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, when I heard about that when Nick at the book graveyard talked about that before some kind of big Dayton, Ohio kind of uh paperback show or something and he he just the disgust dripping from him his his voice when he was describing these these book scalpers, you know, just just really disgusting.
>> Yeah, I think I think I think Jude on the Range has revitalized reading.
That's what I want to do with Private Eye July, man. bring back reading private eye novels. That's what I want to do. That's my goal.
>> It's It's working on me, Jim.
>> Yeah, that's good. [laughter] >> I'm not surprised Joe has good bookstores because he's always showing some cool hauls on people's in people's communities. Joe's really nice and active in people's different channels, communities, which is cool.
>> Bookale.
>> Book Salefinder is the app. Huh.
>> Friends group. I hit 15.
>> Books are a dollar. Okay.
>> Well, that's cool. I'll look for that app. Thank you. That's a good >> And eBay. I've been able to score some nice deals on eBay from people who aren't trying to, you know, rip you off.
>> Well, before we uh bore everybody out, I better get on to my shows, I guess. So, I'll start with mine. Uh I'll start with canon because um uh I happen to be quite fond of canon. And the canon is very emblematic of a 70s uh show where it was the blind detective, the fat detective, the old detective, the crippled detective, the the black detective, the lady detective, whatever. They would do whatever they could to have a gimmick.
And William Conrad, the original voice of Matt Dylan on the radio Gunsmoke, very fine actor, very commanding voice.
Of course, he did the narration on The Fugitive to great effect. Had that voice that you know that only maybe Jim here on YouTube can rival, but uh had a really commanding, interesting voice.
But uh he played Frank Cannon, who was a Korean War vet and former LAPD police officer. So unlike a lot of PIs, he had a pretty friendly uh relationship with the LA cops if he he'd often go to like a lot of these shows to a small town where he'd clash with a crooked local cop or something. But um or a sheriff or whatever, but he was uh kind of he was a gourmet liked food of course that they they used to kind of play make little self-deprecating tuba sounds to when he was walking along. John Parker did the theme music and incidental music and it's great. Um he drove the Lincoln Continental around and he was uh he was you know he's heavy but you know he uh and he got heavier as the series went on almost alarmingly so and I kind of worried about him sometimes running around take chasing down bad guys but I remember there's at least one episode where he gets shot in the gut with the spear gun and still keeps coming and takes down the bad guys and um he's a very fine actor.
Sorry, I remember he had a phone in his car. That's what's that's what's >> Yeah, he had a phone in his car, but so did Manx, too, even before him. So, but >> but I I remember that's it's the first time I remember anybody having a phone in their car when I was watching Canon.
>> Yeah, he had a phone in his car. He didn't use much high-tech other than that, you know, and he >> uh Barnaby Jones was a backoor pilot spin-off from this show and uh he he was the main guy and so he carried the lead on on a there's Linda Carter, I think, in an episode somewhere. Or was that Linda Carter or someone else? Anyway, >> no, that's Joanne. Um >> what's uh she was uh Yeah.
>> Oh, what's her name? Not Joanne. Her name is >> That ain't Linda Carter.
>> No.
>> No. Although very attractive lady. She's in u um Mr. Majestic with uh uh what's her name?
>> Charles Bronson. Uh anyway, yeah, very attractive lady. There's he had he'd often be hired by, you know, or there would be an attractive woman in the case, of course, but he never really dedied with anybody. He he would uh he was very kind of aular I guess but um plenty tough when the you know there's one early one with Tom Scarret where he chokes him out with an anaconda squeeze wrestling move and stuff. So it's a really fun show and it's some of them are pretty hardboiled and uh uh have some really good um casts and it's just a you know it's just a solid fun meat and potatoes watchable show. It ran for five seasons. I believe it ran from 71 to 76. It was a Quinn Martin production and Quinn Martin always had a little extra money to go for higher caliber guest stars. Um so they got some really good uh you know guest uh character actors and other people showing up on there and um yeah just a really really solid show. It's not, you know, I would say I would call classify it as a kind of meat and potatoes show that it wasn't as, you know, top tier like uh, you know, the Rockford Files, but it it could hold its own with most shows at that time. And it was it was fun to watch.
>> Yeah.
>> It was just solid.
>> So, Linda Crystal, is that right?
>> No. Well, Linda Crystal is in it, but it wasn't her. No, it's um uh she's in Mr. Majestic as the main female lead, but it's um Lee Purcell is her name.
>> Okay.
>> Lee Purcell. I remembered it before I looked it up, but uh just about. But Lee Purcell. Yeah. Sorry, I I'm trying to avoid senior moments as much as possible, but they are starting to creep in >> to remember people's names.
>> Debs actually remembers Canon. Good.
Yeah. Well, Canon was apparently Canon was really big in along with Columbbo, really big in and Rockford in England.
So, they would sometimes Benny Hill parried parodyied Cannon and then one of his skits and um you know where he would be on a train and he couldn't get through the the train aisle very well and stuff. So anyway, the uh you know, people made fun of his uh made fun of his weight and such, but William Conrad was not happy with the tuba, you know, sometimes underscore when he'd be walking along. But um you know, he's he's credible as a tough guy because, you know, I've known some guys who are heavy and they were plenty tough and strong. So, you know, I wouldn't want to tangle with them, but for sure. So, >> yeah, >> just because you're heavy doesn't mean you're not badass. So anyway, that's a fun show. And the other one I wanted to talk about was not the Stacy Keech mic hammer, but >> Oh, wait a minute. I got to prepare for this because now we're now we're into the hard part. So I need to >> I need to do a shot.
>> I need to do a shot. So >> got to do a shot of Mountain Dew.
[laughter] >> All right.
>> Yeah. Now we [clears throat] all know uh well in in this corner of book or pulp island we know about um Darren McGavin is Carl Colchek intrepid reporter for the INS news service who deals with monsters and such but earlier in his career Darren McGavin played PI twice.
>> Oh hey Andrea nice to see you and um Darren McGavin was in a series called The Outsider which I which is really hard to see unfortunately. It sounds like it was really terrific. Roy Huggins who produced uh Rockford produced that one but it wasn't a a success. But before that uh back when Mickey Splain was really getting achieving popularity and and and uh had already achieved popularity I guess the very first TV version from 1957 to 1958 ran for 78 episodes starred Darren McGavin as Mike Hammer. Now, he might seem like an odd choice, but he's really good as Hammer and he's, you know, suitably tough and wise cracking and uh almost every episode he gets a good knee to the face to some criminal thugs and uh you know, he's he he really plays about as close as TV at the time could get to the real Mike Hammer. He sometimes, you know, his cop friend on the force, Pat Chambers, who I believe was in about a third of the episodes and he was played by um Bart Bart Burns, an actor Bart Burns, but um just kind of lets him off the leash. He knows that Hammer's going to just beat people up right and left and center and and there's always a good about three or four bad guys bodies hitting the floor when Hammer's involved in this show. It's very fun. Some really great episode titles. Get a load of some of these episode titles. Just around the coroner.
Lead ache for sale. Deathbed used. No pockets in a shroud. Crepe for Susette.
Scar and garter. Tattoo. Brute.
[laughter] Swing. Laurel. Sweet Harriet.
Uh, bride and doom. Stalks and blondes.
Merchant of Menace and Siamese Twinge, which of course has a Chinatown setting or something, but um it's it's set in New York. It was a review production, so was syndicated, but it had quite a few good uh cast members, a lot of uh attractive ladies. And Frank Kaine, Johnny Liddell's writer, uh wrote teleplays for 12 episodes.
>> Ah, interesting.
>> And also Richard Demming and I don't know if you have you heard of Ken Pettis. Is that is that a recognized name to you at all?
>> It's going to spell the last name.
>> P E T U S.
>> That doesn't ring a bell.
>> And one story from Evan Hunter known as Ed McBain later, of course. Um, so we have, you know, >> Richard Richard Deming is a good writer.
>> Yeah.
>> Really good. Yeah.
>> Yeah. So, um, that's a great shot that Yeah. off the the DVDs. Of course, Timeless Media Group released these and, uh, they don't look the best. That's another thing about Canon. The DVDs don't look good at all. Paramount used tape transfers and didn't go back to the original masters, unfortunately. So, they don't look great. These almost looked better, >> but a lot of it was filmed in New York on location and lots of great tough guy dialogue. And Darren McGavin is having a hell of a time flirting with the ladies and smacking around the bad guys. They have some pretty clever plots and writing. Uh, Angie Dickinson is in a couple of episodes.
uh Ruda Lee, Nita Talbet, Ivette Vickers, uh Jacqueline Scott who played um the uh 50-foot woman, Attack of the 50oot Woman. Sorry, Jacqueline Scott, sorry, that was Allison Hayes. Allison Hayes was the 50- foot woman. Jacqueline Scott was Richard Kimell's sister on Fugitive.
[snorts] Uh Peggy Castle from Law Man is in there. Lisa Lou, Lisa Montel, Karen Sharp, a bunch of, you know, notable actresses at the time appeared on there.
very fun show and I think you said Rob that a lot of episodes are on um YouTube.
>> Yes, that's where I watch him because I um >> I didn't even know this existed until I think it was a month or two ago you were talking about it Jeff >> and I was like that's a lot of fun.
>> Yeah, I love Darren McGavin. So I was like Darren McGavin was >> you think of Darren McGavin you think you know because Colch is is brave in spite of himself I guess but he's you he doesn't he runs away when he wants to.
He's not really a fighter, but it's >> What's funny is when I was watching these on YouTube, listen to that voice over narration >> just brought back. You could all I could hear was Cole Shack.
>> Yeah. [laughter] >> And you know, when they made Cole Shack, that's what they were trying to do.
>> Absolutely. Oh, yeah.
>> But, you know, uh I think he's believable as hammer. He's he's a pretty good hammer. He's uh >> Well, he's I'm pretty sure they got him.
Well, Kiss Me Deadly, you guys know that.
>> Yeah. [snorts] >> Ralph Mer Hammer as a complete creep in that one.
Woo.
>> Yeah. But but but lookswise and build buildwise.
>> Yeah, that's probably what Hammer would look like. That was good casting for the look. Yeah. You know, Darren McGavin's what, five 510? Maybe. He's not he's not a big guy, but he's he's kind of and you know he's >> he's played boxers in some TV shows and stuff. So he probably and he was another like a lot of those actors, he's another you know war vet and stuff. So I I'm pretty sure so he he uh you know he's believable enough as a tough guy and uh he's just he's just fun. He's really fun and likable and the story's really and the the thing that's fun is Mike Hammer is such a loose cannon in the books and they get as close as possible in the show where he just he'll just do whatever the heck he'll come in and start pushing bad guys around and smacking them around and he does not you know like Hammer in the books doesn't you know you don't want to push Hammer so [snorts] that's funny it's so you know again it's not Hammer of the books but it's about as close as they could get away with in 50s television >> t TV Yeah. Yeah.
>> And I'll watch Dared McGavin at anything really.
>> Oh, yeah.
>> Yeah. He's always good. I like I said, he did play another LA cop uh in a kind of pre apparently it's described a little bit as a more serious kind of proto Rockford in The Outsider where he's kind of a real but he's more down on his luck kind of uh uh >> he was also >> he was also the captain of the Enterprise.
Not that Enterprise. [laughter] >> Ah, Riverboat.
>> Riverboat.
>> Bert Reynolds who hated McGavin.
[laughter] >> Yeah, they didn't get [clears throat] along. He uh was replaced in the second season by >> Rocky from uh >> That's right. No Berry Jr.
>> Yeah. Now, that's the one show that I one of the few shows that I bought and I didn't really like. I couldn't really get on with it. seen it.
>> Funny because I love Darren Gavin in almost anything. But >> yeah, but B then Bert Reynolds went on as Quinn Asper on Gunsmoke and did really well there. So yeah, I had a black belt in Karate.
Yeah, there's it's funny you mentioned that, Rain, because there's an episode of Manx where uh [laughter] where uh um Darren McGavin plays a kind of a psycho ex Korean War vet buddy and he's he's like runs a karate studio or whatever and he's out to kill various people from his unit and Manx is the last on the list and you could tell McGavin's just having a whale of a time in that that role. So that's funny you mentioned that he has his black belt.
Yeah.
>> Manx moves in this. Yeah.
>> What was that, Rob? Sorry.
>> I said Manx was one that I almost picked for this, but we had so many heavy hitters.
>> Yeah. We'll save that for a future one.
>> Oh, yeah. We'll get back to Manx. Manx is a ton of fun. Speaking of >> What about your choices, Rob? They were good. They're unique.
>> Well, we figured, you know, you'd be getting the um Yeah, he threw Gavin off the boat into the water. That's good. That's good trivia. Yeah, that's right. Gavin Darren McGavin wasn't um was I guess not at that in that show. He didn't like uh Bert Reynolds getting too much attention. Here's a younger, handsomemer guy. Maybe that and so maybe that Bert got a little >> I think also it might have had to do with the fact that Bert Reynolds himself said that he was really awful in the show because he didn't know what he was doing as his first real acting job.
Yeah.
>> So >> he may have been frustrating other people including McGavin who had turning their 12.
>> Gavin was a guy with a short fuse.
>> McGavin was a guy with short fuse and he didn't really like >> uh he didn't put up with fools. Well, let's put it that way.
>> He was say he didn't put up with Bur Reynolds [ __ ] >> Yeah.
>> I [laughter] I have a feeling that Bur Reynolds is probably an arrogant [ __ ] for the most part and uh Darren McGavin didn't want to put up with it. I'm sure there it's it's there's probably both sides for sure there. Yeah, I guess >> I spy book cookbooks count as private detective. No, I spies are spies. Oh, you mean the I spy the the two the the the birds. You mean the two fighting birds? Is that what you're talking about? The comics, Andrea? [snorts] Weren't those called I Spy? The the little mad magazine.
>> They were spies. They were supposed to >> spy versus spy. That's it. Yeah, I spy.
That's the ones based off the really excellent TV show with Robert Cosby.
>> Yeah, I I draw the line. I won't watch the Cosby show now with what we know about Cosby, but I I can draw I I can accept um I spy because that that show is so good and that I can >> books the Ice Spy books. Andre >> Oh, those where you find the items that I used to >> I think you're stretching my kids all the time, man. And we'd look for all the little things. Those are excellent books.
>> I play that game every time I'm trying to find a particular book on my shelf.
>> Yeah, exactly. Where did I put that damn book? Yeah, >> that one. And where's Waldo? We do the Where's Waldo books?
>> Yeah, [snorts] they call him Where's Wall-E in England, I think. Don't they?
>> Oh, >> yeah. I think they don't say Waldo.
That's the North American.
>> Those I Spy books were brilliant.
Really? They were so well done.
>> I think they did have some. Speaking of the TV series I spy, they did have some tie-in novels though, didn't they? They must have.
>> Oh, sure they did.
>> That was a huge They got a tie-in novel back then.
>> Yeah. Yeah, that's true. If you could get, you know, >> and I'm sure I've seen them. I'm sure I've seen one. I don't have any, but I'm sure I've seen >> Definitely. Ice Spy definitely does.
>> Yeah, >> Ice Spy was a really is a really good show. I mean, that was a groundbreaking show. They did. It was like Route 66 that would film on locations around the United States and real buildings. They did that overseas in Ice Spy. They were in Mexico, China, Japan, Greece, Rome.
>> They went all over the place. Spain.
Boris Carlos in an episode where they that they shot in Spain.
Um, you know, so, uh, that's a really cool show if you can stomach Bill.
>> Robert Robert Culp really went all in for that for that.
>> Robert wrote about I think he wrote about six.
>> He was one of the creators of it. like he he really drove that show.
>> Yeah, he really Yeah. And they he him and Cosby would, you know, really got along great and they would uh kind of improvise their banter much to the script writers um chagrin, but it improves the show a lot because it was really they had a hip kind of >> back and forth all the time. Yeah.
Where's Wall-E? And that's why I would be surprised it's not Wall-E in Canada since you guys are Commonwealth, too.
But um the North America influence is too strong. We're more American than British. Really?
>> Yeah.
>> Canada. I mean, when you when you when you really get down to it, >> you're our more gentiel uh uh brother there up in the middle of our sister sister country.
[snorts] >> Anyway, that's uh I don't have much more to say about the Darren McGavin uh M Mike Hammer. It's a ton of fun. It's they're short, sharp, snappy episodes.
Lot of action, lots of banter, lots of uh, you know, chorus girls, fem fatalss, ugly thugs, ugly mugs that that get their faces smashed by Darren McGavin's hammer. Uh, if you like that kind of tough PI stuff, it's fun. Good watch.
Yeah.
>> And like uh like Rob said, there they should be available on because these ones were syndicated, so I don't think they have a lot what their ownership is not as uh dogged [snorts] about protecting the the rights or anything.
So you should remember the name of the YouTube channel, but yes, there is uh somebody that has all the episodes on YouTube. So >> what is it in Japan, Jeff? Uh I don't think I don't think they have I don't know. I don't know. I think it but they must know about it because one time because the school I the university I teach at the main one, they have big Halloween dress up. Halloween's really huge on that university. They used and they would have hundreds of kids dressing up. And one time a group of there were some club members. They all dressed up as where's Waldo >> boys and girls they all wore they all somehow found the striped tops and hats.
So I imagine it would be since the American connection with Japan is pretty strong. I imagine it'd be Waldo.
So but I don't know. It might be where's to toro for all I know. So [laughter] >> I think it's Waldo.
Anyway guys, this was fun. It was great.
There's so many more PIs we could mention. I should mention uh some British PIs. There's um of course you had in the in the cool opening there, Rob, you had Frank Marker, Alfred Burke in Public Eye. That's a I don't know if you've seen that, Jim. That's a real gritty >> No, I've heard of it. Never seen the eye show. It's highly regarded by archive TV fans in the UK, of course. Um uh what is it? Um, Randall and Hobkerk deceased, known as My Partner, the ghost when it aired in the US. Um, with Jeff Randall, Mike Pratt plays Jeff Randall, the kind of hang dog detective in 1969 Britain, which was pretty rare to have a detective TV series that was not a action man type. He was just an actual detective for hire. And his dead partner, he can only he's the only one who can see his the ghost of his dead partner. Um, Marty Hopkerk and Annette Annette Andre was his the Hopkerk's widow who became the secretary for Jeff.
Her name was Jeanie. That's a really fun show. And there's a show from the late '7s which is really grimy and sleazy.
Captures the the the aura of that era of of London in the 70s and it's called Hazel. H A Z L. And it's based off a series of books by I think a former footballer and another guy. Hey, they wrote like three or four Hazel books.
And so there's two seasons of that show or two series. I think there's about 14 episodes or so. And that's uh guy called Nicholas Ball played Hazel and it's he's it's very it's got a it's got a nice Chandler kind of voice over and CDI feel and he drives around in a triumph.
>> I appreciate that.
>> The triumph stag or whatever.
>> That's a only thing about that is it's filmed in the British tradition at the time. Uh it was like 16 millimeter exterior on film and then uh videotape for interiors. If you're used to British TV, that won't bother you. But >> uh that's a good show. That's a really fun show. There not a lot of British PI shows at that time. I think there's quite a few later that came out. But um anyway, should mention some of the the ones across the pond there. And there's tons and tons of other American ones we can get to. Well, maybe we can do this another time then and we'll talk about we'll talk about more.
>> You bet. Next July. [laughter] >> You are welcome. Anytime. Yeah, >> you bet. Thanks so much for popping on.
>> Yeah.
>> And so, um, any news of anything you guys are up to or coming up? I know that Jeff, you're going >> you're going stide here soon.
>> Yeah. So, you'll see some videos from me eventually in August hopefully that I've recorded in the States, probably in my backyard or something. So, >> I'm hoping I'm still trying to figure out the logistics, hoping to ship a bunch of my books and storage back. It's a little more tricky than I first thought it was to do it by um share LCL, I think it's called, limited carrier. I forgot. It's some kind of sharing a a you know a freight container by >> ship, >> but I have to arrange it because I can't I don't have a vehicle to pick it up here from a dock in the in in Japan. So I have to get some kind of door to door service. So I'm hoping to get that figured out.
And uh yeah, that's about it. How about you Jim?
>> No, I just uh >> ongoing private eye July. I've been kind of awol this this um this month. I've got like a couple of videos up. I haven't got as many up as I wanted to, but uh hopefully I'll have a couple up this next week.
>> Still got a couple of weeks, Jim, I think.
>> Yeah, we're still we're still doing good time wise.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah, this counts, too. That's right.
Yeah, >> that's true. That's true. Yeah.
>> Up some books.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. And we talked about private eyes, you know, so it counts. Yeah, one of your one of your tic tac doe cards is uh TV private eyes, right? So, we showed that.
>> So, I I will put this video on in my playlist in my private eye July playlist down.
>> There you go.
>> And Rob's about to undergo a a Route 66 road trip up north.
>> So, uh Monday, I'm not doing anything for it, but Monday is my oneyear anniversary of the channel.
>> Wow. Congratulations. One year already.
Yeah. Wow. So, uh, one year of breaking every promise I made in that first introductory video. [laughter] >> About every promise. You did do giveaways.
>> I I did do book hauls. [laughter] >> And book halls. Yes. No, your channel's great, Rob. We're just happy whenever you you pop on there.
>> Hey, the rules are made to be broken, man. Just go with the flow.
>> Thanks, Mark.
Yeah. And Yeah. and Andrea and the Ees Boys and and uh Richard from Vintage SF and a ton of people will be there. I think Glock will Mark will be at Pope Fest. You'll meet Mark.
>> Uh >> do we miss Joe's comment? Did we get Joe's comment?
>> What was >> actually had a book haul video? Yeah, I saw the book haul video. Joe, I think I left you a comment. I'm not sure. You're getting up for another one. You always get those really cool books.
>> I don't know if I follow Joe. I'm gonna have to check his channel out. He doesn't he doesn't post that often, I don't think. He's usually more of a I know a commenter on other people's uh >> channels, but he does do occasional videos. So, um and um he's got a great collection of books.
>> Rob, you got to pick our next um >> Yeah, we can fight over mapbacks. You need to pick our next genre that we're going to cover. Rob, it's your choice because I chose private eyes. So, >> we are going to be doing TV anthologies.
>> Oh, nice.
>> You pretty much know one of them is probably going to be in there.
[laughter] >> Do you have an idea of a guest? Anyone you want to approach or do you want to put the call out?
>> I know a couple people that I'd like to ask. I don't know whether they're available or not, but um yeah, there's a I know >> Richard might be interested.
>> I know at least a couple of uh Twilight Zone fans out there. So, >> that's that's going to be a great one.
Yeah, there's lots of good anthology series out there.
>> There's so many great ones. And then when I was sitting there doing the trying to come up with lists, it's like, >> yeah, >> besides all the regular anthology series we think of, there's all sorts of other things that >> Oh, there's a ton >> that we probably don't even think of as anthologies like the Fantasy Islands and all those things.
>> I guess you could call those anthologies. They essentially are.
>> They're listed anthologies. Yeah. So, um, so they're of British ones, too.
Thriller and their version of Thriller.
Boris Carlo's Thriller, which is American, of course. Yeah, there's a ton.
>> I'm anxious to get See, this is the See, everybody thinks I'm being generous by letting the guests and you pick first, Jeff, but actually it's me being selfish [laughter] because I know there's a good chance that you guys are going to pick some of my favorite shows, which means it's almost like I get extra choices.
[laughter] >> Yeah. It's like, okay, >> the gym choosing Rockford and Magnum really freed us up.
>> Now it's almost like I get four picks because [laughter] he's got two of them on.
>> Yeah, that was my concern at first is like should we pick alternate one famous one like for science fiction we got to do a Star Trek or then and then you said no they're going to come up or if we have guests they'll pick those and that's right. Yeah, >> it's they'll pick them and if they don't then if all else fails then I'll pick them. But uh um yeah, it's uh it's guaranteed that that they >> Twilight Zone Our Limits Night Gallery for sure. There's one step beyond. Yeah, it's one step beyond Joe, I think.
>> There's Dark Room that was hosted by James Coburn, although that's getting close to the cut off for me probably for the date. Um there were a bunch.
>> There's a westernology series.
>> Yeah, there's Zane Grey Theater.
>> Oh, >> yeah. There's there's a couple of them.
>> Well, Tales of Well, no. Uh >> is it Tale? Not Tales of Wells Fargo. Uh Borax one. Um >> Yeah.
>> Uh Death Valley Days.
>> Death Valley Days. That's the one. Yeah.
>> Yeah. And Zane Gray Theater. There's There's a few of them, too.
>> Alfred Hitchcock Presents and Alfred Hitchcock Hour, which I like even more than presents.
>> Love Alfred Hitchcock.
>> Buddy sent me the the British discs of the Alfred Hitchcock Hour and that's there's some really good episodes in there. Yeah, >> presents is great, too.
>> Yeah, there's tons and tons. Craft Suspense Theater. There's all those earlier and you know, Studio Playhouse 90 and Studio One presents and >> the one that Dick Powell was involved in. I forget the name of that one.
>> Theater. Yeah. There's Richard Boone, the Richard Boon show, which I you can never find an episode of. There's just >> Thriller. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Thriller. There's two thrillers.
There's the one that Brian Clemens from Aven the Avengers did. And then there's Boris Caroff's thriller, which is fantastic, too.
>> I've been watching those on YouTube.
>> They're really good.
>> Yeah.
>> Or there there's quite a few crime and suspense ones, too, but it's the ones that are the horror ones that are the most well well known.
>> Yeah.
>> So, yeah. Well, anyway, uh, we probably should let you go.
>> The only problem making an apologies is because you're gonna want to talk about individual episodes that that stream may end up being eight hours long.
[laughter] >> We already over We already shot our first one there, [laughter] this one, but >> I could have went longer on here. I could have went longer on here, but I I've been out all day. Haven't eaten anything starving to death.
>> Yeah. Sorry to keep you.
>> No, no, no. You're not keeping me at all. Like I'm saying, I could go I could go talk all night about this stuff, but yeah.
>> Well, I got to go make some open invitation, Jim.
>> Oh, thank you, Rob.
>> Yeah. It doesn't have to be PI stuff, Jim. If you have other shows you want to talk about, come back.
>> Always. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm of that generation, man. Like like like that you guys are from. I watched all that stuff.
>> TV kids. [laughter] >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Thank you everyone for uh for tu t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t tuning in and joining us and thanks for to Rob for putting together such a great group of slides and a cool opening and for putting this whole idea for this show together and thanks Jim for joining us. So it was a lot of fun.
>> Yeah, thank you.
>> Well, we'll do the uh I'll have to probably do wait to do the uh one uh the anthology show one till the last week of August, Rob, if that's okay with you.
>> Um I meant to mention that. Yeah. Uh >> because I'll be back on from the 22nd.
So >> 29th. So >> perfect.
>> So that's when I'll be besides I'm going to need some time to recover from my trip.
>> Yes. From your drive. The drive there won't be so bad, but the drive back might feel pretty long. Yeah.
>> Hope you have some good audio books to keep you company or radio shows or something.
>> Tons.
>> We'll have a safe safe trip. when you're taking off for that next week here.
>> Um, probably Tuesday or Wednesday because uh I'm going to give myself a full week to uh visit various bookstores. I'm going to be drive, like I said, I'm going to be driving through Iowa. So, I'm going to visit my mom for a couple days and >> that'll be a nice way to break up the trip.
>> And she doesn't know I'm coming. I keep surprising her by just showing up.
>> I'm sure she appreciates it. Oh, yeah.
Yeah, >> she appreciates you seeing you. She might not appreciate the surprise, but anyway, [laughter] but I guess she's used to it by now.
Well, I hope you have safe travels and Jim, whatever you get up to, looking forward to whatever the rest of of your PI July picks are.
>> Thank you.
>> I hope to get a bit more red. I wanted to do something for Rocket Summer, but I don't know if I'll get to it or not.
>> Yeah, I did too. I did too.
wrapping up my school. But from Wednesday 12:15 p.m., I will be a free man from my main job for about 53 days. So, I'll still have a couple of classes to to tie up before I leave. But, um, looking forward to that very much because I am tired of my six day weeks. I'm I'm getting pretty burned out. So, I'm ready for a little break here. So, >> well, thank thanks everyone out there, too. I mean, that was >> Yeah. Thanks everybody. Thanks for checking it out, stopping in. all and uh we'll do our awkward goodbyes and see you next month.
>> See you guys. Thanks for tuning in. Take Carol.
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