The concept of '15 minutes of fame' describes the fleeting nature of modern celebrity, where individuals can achieve brief but intense public attention through media exposure, often followed by a return to obscurity. This phenomenon is exemplified by two cases discussed in this episode: Danielle Marie Bregoli (Bad Baby), who gained viral fame from a 2016 Dr. Phil appearance with her catchphrase 'Catch me outside, how about that?' and subsequently built a music and reality TV career, and Baby Jessica McClure Morales, who became a national sensation in 1987 after being rescued from an abandoned well, only to face renewed public attention years later when she was arrested for domestic violence. Both cases illustrate how brief fame can have lasting consequences, with individuals navigating complex relationships between public attention, personal trauma, and subsequent life challenges.
Ep479 Fifteen Minutes of Fame
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>> Today we are discussing 15 minutes of fame.
>> Indeed. Indeed.
>> And all that comes with those 15 minutes.
>> Yeah. It's tough. And I feel like the way we used to be, especially in like the 80s and 90s with tabloids and press and like not letting people quietly process their trauma.
It like wait I'm read I'm going through all this and I'm like oh it's our fault.
>> It always is.
>> Oh right. Once again, it's our >> these are the consequences.
Got it.
>> A Yeah. So, you know, but it is an interesting topic. So, I'm really excited to dive into it. So, let's do it.
>> Let's do it. Uh, first we have our wine crime pairing.
>> Yeah. Also >> with our favorite buddy, Ashwin.
>> Yeah. Also very special. We have a special Ashwins wine corner this month.
So, I'm going to go ahead and let us kick over to that and let's hear from our buddy Ashwin.
Okay, everybody. We're back with another little Ashwin's Wine Corner with Ashwin from Unpinned Wine Club. Welcome back.
>> I have missed you. I have missed you since DC. I've missed Sav since DC.
>> I know.
>> We had such a good time.
>> So much fun. Such a whirlwind. It flew by. I don't know how fast three days went.
>> I know. And now that was already what, a month ago.
>> Yeah.
>> How >> time flies. And I I guess as you get older, how you like perceive and process time speeds up. Did you I'm sure you've probably heard about this, but apparently as you get older, because each year is a smaller percentage of the time of your total years on Earth, they seem to go by faster. Like when you're one and and then a year goes by, that's like, "Oh my gosh, I just lived a whole another half of my life, too."
>> I know.
>> But when you're >> Yeah. But when you're like in your 30s, your 40s, it's like another year goes by, it's like, "Oh, that's just like 2% of your total life that you've been here." So then it just feels smaller.
God, no. No. I hate it. Anyway, but that's not why we're here. We're not here to spiral each other into an existential crisis. We're here to talk about wine. So, us >> wine.
>> What did you pick out for us for 15 minutes of fame?
>> Oh, I picked I basically took this and said, who of the wine makers that I know feels the most deserving of their 15 minutes of fame? And I hope the 15 minutes turns into 15 years cuz I absolutely love love these two wine makers. Um, so I picked harshu.
>> Hell yeah.
>> Yeah. So easy. So easy to say. Um, yeah.
The Hungarians are I mean of all the wine producing regions in the world, Hungary might be at the top when it comes to hardship >> pronunciations. Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> I kind of love it though.
>> Yeah. And it's like, you know, they they know their language is hard, so they don't give you a tough time when you But if you try, like if you're in front of a Hungarian and you try to pronounce something in their language, like you get props. Yeah.
>> Cuz I mean, it's it's objectively really hard. There's a lot of smashed together.
>> But we've got fecket harsh levu. Fecket pins is the name of the winery. Harsh levu is the name of the grape. This comes from Shomlo in Hungary. And the wine- making team are husband and wife team, Gabbor and Jofi. and they they're two folks that could not be more deserving of their 15 minutes of fame.
>> They make maybe a thousand cases of wine a year. Some,200 cases like which is really really really small when you think about someone who makes wine for a living. It's like that's really small.
um volcanic wines with minimal intervention, spontaneous fermentation, and this is across the board um for all their wines.
>> And Harsh Levalu is a variety that >> almost no one knows about, but a lot of people have actually tried it. Okay.
>> So, if you've ever tried the sweet wine Tokai, you've probably had some harsh levolu cuz it's one of the grapes that's used in Tokai.
>> Oh, okay. cuz I had never heard of this varietal myself, but I have heard of Tokai. I think I have tasted that before.
>> I'm guessing you probably have. It's one of the more famous of the like of the sweet wines. It's probably top exactly of the dessert wines probably top five in terms of kind of like being widespread and being famous. Tokai is in uh let me get my right and left right.
So, Tokai is in Eastern Hungary.
>> Shlo is in western Hungary. So, we're on the opposite side of the country. And here in there's no sweetness here. This is completely dry, really acidic, very bright. It's volcanic, so you get this like chalky smoky minerality.
>> So the the volcanic element is obviously from the soil like there there's volcanic rock from volcanic activity that formed that region, you know, millions and millions of years ago.
Cool.
>> Exactly. And actually, while I was researching some of the volcanic wines that we were like were including in this month's theme, I learned that there are like two types of vol there's one like very volcanic soil and then there's one that's like you could kind of consider it volcanic.
>> Huh.
>> One is and they're both come from lava, which is why it's really interesting.
It's just whether the lava cooled on the Earth's surface >> or below the Earth's surface. That makes so much sense, but seems like such a nuanced difference that could affect the flavor profile of the grape. That's wild.
>> It took Yeah, it took me a while to It took me a while to wrap my head around what it does to the flavor of the wine.
And basically, like where my the conclusion I've drawn after tasting a bunch of wines for this theme is that lava that cools on the Earth's surface, which is I think it's called in I'm not going to I don't remember the geological word. I I had looked it up. tap into hot Austin Powers and call it liquid hot magma.
>> Amazing. Liquid hot. Oh, dude. You know what's really confusing is technically that would be the second type cuz magma is >> under the surface.
>> Exactly. So, these were all these like it took me back to my sixth grade science class, geology and stuff and rocks.
>> You're like, I'm already a somal. Now I have to know different kinds of lava.
>> I know. But basically what happens is you have when lava cools on the earth's surface like really more traditionally what we think of as a volcano like erupts the lava cools >> it has a much more direct influence on the taste of the wine >> in that you like >> in both cases even when you have magma below the earth's surface that cools and pushes its way up you taste minerality in both the wines but when it's lava that cools on the surface it's much more overt it's much more overt and you'll often get these like You get this like chalky texture on your palette. Almost like Do you ever eat the candy sweet tarts?
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>> I love a sweet tart. I love a sweet tart.
>> So that texture, that kind of like chalkiness while it's also really acidic and sour. Not the sweet part, but the chalky and the acidic. That's what you get more from these kind of like lava on the earth's surface wise. Whereas >> when you have like the magma pushing its way up, you get a more like >> it's subdued. It's like it's blended with other elements in the soil. So, it's not going to have as like intense >> an effect. That's super cool.
>> 100%.
>> Okay. So, is this a surface lava wine or a subterranean lava wine?
>> This is surface lava. This is This is like unapologetically volcanic. Wow. Um, so it's blistering in acidity. It's got that chalky minerality, but the variety harsh levolu tends to be fruier.
>> And so you have this like beautiful combination of flavors where you get the seriousness, you get the minerality, but then you also get like >> almost like Froot Loops or like dried mango or like you know these kind of like tropically flute tropical fruit notes too. Well, didn't you mention before, maybe this was off camera, but didn't you mention before this? This is a white varietal you said, >> and it's served chilled, but didn't you say it's also aged, which is uncommon for a white wine?
>> So, there's a lot going on with this because that's obviously also going to affect the flavor profile. What did they age it on >> or this? This mostly bottle aging. So they use neutral they use neutral wood uh during the wine making and then it's bottle aged for I mean f in this case probably like six or seven years um >> oh >> because their whole so the fact like goborn and joy's philosophy is these because we have this unique teroir and we grow these indigenous Hungarian varieties they are so much more expressive when they've had some time to rest >> okay And what ends up happening is that most aged wines, if you think about like any wine that you've had that's over five years, it's probably red.
>> It's because you need complexity for a wine to age. Because what's going to happen is acidity will go down over time. Fruity aromomas will go down over time and tannins will mellow out.
>> And so for a white wine to be able to age, you're kind of working with two dimensions instead of three. And so you really got to have like a wellpacked like intense flavor. I was going to say I'd be so curious to taste it right away and then taste it six years later because it must have some pretty high intensity >> to be able to be to have it be recommended like before they're even selling it. They're aging it in their own seller for that long.
>> And so additional fermentation is not happening in the bottle. It's just bottle aging.
>> It's just bottle.
>> So it's not going to be necessarily like effrovescent or carbonated. It's going to drink like a white w That's so weird.
>> It's going to drink like a white wine.
It's going to be way darker than your typical white wine.
>> So, it's going to be this like yellowish golden color for two reasons. One is you have the variety tends to be a little more uh saturated in color to begin with. And as a wine ages, like even through the cork, you have micro oxygenation. That's actually why you bottle age is because you'll have tiny tiny influences of oxygen interacting with the wine and when something oxidizes it turns brown.
>> Yeah.
>> Right. Like think about like an apple if you leave it out for like even an hour it starts to turn brown. So same kind of thing. So this wine it's not going to be brown but it will be like >> but it can turn to that yellow. Wow.
>> Weird. Oh my god. I can't wait to try this.
>> Yeah. It's weird. It's delicious.
>> So good.
>> It's one of those like what? So, I started drinking Harshu for the first time a few years ago. And I'm like that weirdo that drinks like >> 20 of them a year now.
>> Become a favorite.
>> If like when people try it, I think that's how most people will react cuz it's like takes elements from a lot of the So, it's got the Rezling like minerality. It's got the Sylveon Blanc like um fruiness and it's got the Chardonnay like body and it's got you put all this together, it's like it takes elements of three of the most different varietals that we know, >> white wines that people know and it's like package it all into one and then give it eight years of age and then >> and then see what you think.
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>> And it should be wrapping up at the end of July. So, I will be celebrating. I'm going to sit in the front yard in either the sunshine or the twilight hour with a glass of this freaking wine and invite some friends over to enjoy the peace and quiet and the freshly paved street >> and all of my blooming flowers and we're going to drink this [ __ ] wine.
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Um, >> you just it's hard to find value there cuz like when you start going to the classic regions, it's easy to just like way overspend. So, I was like, "Oh, I drink Classical sometimes. Let me pick some my favorites.
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If they don't >> if they're feeling like they want to try some of these wines but don't want to commit to the full membership yet, this sounds like a really good option. So, what where would they want to navigate to to be able to access that?
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And then this is also like a really cool way for you if you get your hands on X amount of bottles that isn't enough to fulfill the entire wine club list, then you could put them on the bottle shop.
So there might be some exclusives that are coming or like you said, you get access to some extra inventory for the wine club. You have some left over that people can snag. This is awesome. You're you're literally just reading my mind cuz like there are lots of wines we'll we'll taste and I'm like well we just we're not going to get them in time or there's not enough of it and it's like well this wine is still good. It sucks that like we're constrained by all these things and now it's like oh if we taste a good wine and we believe in it then it goes in our bottle shop.
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>> And great. All right, that'll do it for this week's or this month's I guess Ashwin's Wine Corner from Unpinned Wine Club. And thank you so much for joining us again.
>> Thank you for having me, Amanda. Really appreciate it.
>> I'll be back. I can't We can't live without you now. You're part of the deal.
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>> You'll be back. All right, y'all. Until next time, we will be working on our Arnold Schwarzenegger impression.
>> Yeah, no more Schwarzenegger. I promise.
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>> Dr. Phil is directly responsible for giving too many people their 15 minutes of fame. And I know you're about to get to it.
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Lucy, I'm scared. I'm excited. And I have a feeling I know exactly who you're talking about. So, let's dive in. What do you have for us for 15 minutes of fame? Who who do you have for us?
>> I Well, I did want to start with a little bit of background.
>> Okay.
>> Um, well, as you probably know, 15 minutes of fame is an expression describing the short-lived media publicity or celebrity of an individual or phenomenon or an individual phenomenon.
>> It's often used in reference to pop culture like reality TV. Yeah.
>> Tik Tok, memes, >> the memes.
>> The memes.
>> So, the phrase court de celebrity.
>> Okay.
>> A quarter of an hour of celebrity.
>> Oh, >> 15 minutes of fame.
>> Yeah.
>> Was used in uh French, the French language during the 19th century, notably by Alons Dod in an article Vant first published in 1879.
>> Why is it so French?
It's well, it's actually older in English.
>> Um, but yeah, late 19th century. I'm will not be reading the French.
>> No, >> clearly very rusty and it's annoying.
>> But it translates to some young fellows have had thanks to 15 cleverly written lines their 15 minutes of fame.
>> Ah, okay. So basically he's saying like there's just there's so much going on in the world. You can do a little bit of work for a little bit of fame. And that's like kind of >> ubiquitous.
>> Um and so like I said, an older version of the same concept in the English language is the expression 9 days wonder.
>> Oh, >> which I kind of like that.
>> I do. It's very whimsical.
>> Nine days wonder.
>> I'm not having 15 minutes of fame. I'm having Nine Days Wonder.
>> Mhm.
>> It's a It's a It's a sexier version.
>> It is sexy.
>> This This that phrase Nine Days Wonder dates back at least as far as the Elizabethan era. So like the 16th century.
>> It was the 16ths.
>> It was the 16ths.
So yeah, nine days wonder.
>> Lots Yeah. Lots of nine days wonder has happened since the phrase was first coined >> for real.
>> Today it is famously attributed to Andy Warhol.
>> Oh, >> that's like his his most famous quote is about how >> everyone has 15 minutes of fame.
>> But actually that may not be correct. It is challenged. He is quoted by Time Time magazine in 1967 as saying that one day, quote, "Everyone will be famous for 15 minutes."
>> Well, he knew the internet was coming.
>> Yeah, >> that's for damn sure.
>> He was talking about like the art world, >> but we'll get to it. Um, I found an article uh from Smithsonian magazine that sort of describes the dispute. The original quote seems to trace back to a 1968 brochure that Warhol distributed at one of his exhibitions in Sweden. But according to art critic Blake Gopnik, it could have been Pontis Hulen, a famous curator in Europe who coined the phrase, >> "All right, Pontis."
>> Okay, Pontis. But there are other claimments, too, including painter Larry Rivers and photographer Natlestein.
M >> so Finkelstein insisted that he was the one who made the remark to Andy Warhol.
They were they were somewhere and there were like a bunch of people like clamoring at them.
>> Yeah.
>> And Andy He says that Andy Warhol said, "Oh, everyone wants to be famous." And >> himself, Nat Finkelstein says, "Yeah, for about 15 minutes, Andy." That's what he says.
>> Yep. As Gopnik explains, Warhol himself admitted to never saying that in 1980, but by then the damage was done. So, as Gopnik, the curator, points out, it didn't really matter.
>> Yeah.
>> Or sorry, not curator, he's an art critic. Um, he says it it doesn't really matter. By that point, Warhol, an artist who explored the concept of branding, was firmly a brand of his own. And the 15 minutes quote fit in with that story very nicely.
>> Yeah, it Sorry, brother. It was gonna stick with him. It's not going to happen. You're not going to get your 15 minutes for saying the 15 minutes thing.
It's not happening.
>> So, he says, quote, "We've decided it's by Warhol." Whether he likes it or not, we've created and continue to create the Warhol brand for ourselves.
>> There you go. So eh next time you see that attributed to him because I have seen it like as a quote >> Sure.
>> before just know that maybe it was Natlestein.
>> Mhm.
>> Or Livers.
>> Well, and also it's like >> who really came up with any sayings?
What I hate how much stuff is workshopped into sayings among our friend group where we've all had different iterations of the same thing and then we finally settle on some sort of like >> group collo colloquial lore. Yeah. It's like who >> it settles somewhere in the middle.
>> Yeah.
>> And at the end of the day >> they were both talking about it. One person got attributed with it. That's what matters. It's also evidently not a unique or like a novel idea. It's been around since the 16s.
>> Yeah.
>> So, speaking of branding oneself, today I want to tell you about a brilliant comet streaking across our collective sky >> in a blaze who definitely experienced her 15 minutes of fame.
>> Is her name Haley?
>> No.
>> Cuz that would be amazing. Her name is Danielle.
>> That's right.
>> Danielle.
>> Danielle.
>> I was first introduced to Danielle Marie Brigali when I was deep in my Dr. Phil clips on Facebook Reels era.
>> You had a season with that.
>> I think I want to go back.
>> Yeah, I don't blame you. They're pretty entertaining.
>> And I'm not going to watch a whole episode. Yeah, I'm not going to watch a whole episode of Dr. Phil. It's never going to happen. No, but the clips.
>> Yeah, >> I'm current, in case anyone's wondering, I'm currently in my the same >> clip.
I'm currently doing the same thing, but with evil lives here.
>> Nice.
>> Asleep to evil lives here.
>> I never know how any of it ends cuz I'm always asleep.
>> You don't need to.
>> Who needs to know? Also, I You know how your phone like scolds you for how much you're on it? shares a screen time report each week.
>> Screen report. Mine is always like >> 11 hours a day cuz I'm just sleeping to evil lives here reels for most of it.
>> You are a monster. I love it. You're not even really using it. It's just there running.
>> I'm not hearing it. My phone's on the other end of the bed by the time I wake up.
>> You're fine.
>> It's fine. I'm healthy.
>> Yep. 100%.
Not stop arguing with you there. I'm scared of what will happen.
>> Don't argue with me. I'm healthy. She screams into the microphone.
>> Into a microphone on her podcast.
>> Oh no.
>> Oh, we are in trouble.
>> Do as I say. No, not as I do. Okay.
>> Not as I do.
>> Danielle Danielle was born on March 26th, 2003. She's an Aries >> in Boon Beach, Florida. Her parents separated when she was a baby. She did not know her dad for a while. Uh, according to her Wikipedia article, he is currently a cop in Palm Beach County.
>> I know she has two younger half brothers on her dad's side. Um, I'm going to say, >> oh my god, just quickly while I'm thinking about this, and if you're listening, hi. I'm so glad you're listening. But it was so funny. I had a table the other night and we were talking about the podcast and they were like, "Oh my gosh, this person at the table was like a sheriff for x amount of years and I was like, I don't think you're going to like my show."
I was like, "I cops are not my favorite." He was like, "Mine either."
And I'm like, "All right, well, maybe you will like it."
>> Oh, good luck.
>> It's like cops and I don't get along too well. And he was like, "We don't either." I'm like, "Okay." I actually have artwork in every single frame of every episode.
>> Oh no, >> a cab. Is that a cab right there?
>> Okay.
Um, I'm going to say this next part slowly so you can fully absorb all of it.
>> Oh no. Okay.
>> On September 14th, 2016, I did Google it. It was a Wednesday that lives in infamy. It was a waxing gibbus.
Dan Danielle, her mother Barbara Anne, Barbara and her grandmother, regular Barbara were interviewed on Dr. Phil.
>> Yep. for a segment titled I want to give up my car stealing knife wielding twerking 13-year-old daughter who tried to frame me for a crime.
That was the title.
>> There's a lot going on with that. It's a very specific episode, Dr. Phil.
>> Yes.
>> Okay.
>> Yes. I love daytime television. God, it is a cesspool and I love it too.
>> I think I would be really good as like a showrunner for a daytime TV show.
>> You definitely are sick enough >> that you could do it. You're sick and problematic enough >> to pick these people out of >> that you could do it.
>> The general public.
>> Yeah, I I think you could. I'd rather see you on something more wholesome like a Jennifer Hudson, but I don't think that's what you're cut out for.
>> I think you need to be on the Dr. Phil team. You just got to go full just embrace how terrible it all is.
>> Oh, it's terrible.
Okay, so Danielle is 13 years old at this time after calling her 73-year-old grandmother a quote [ __ ] actress.
Okay. Wow.
>> Danielle, this was out the gate.
Danielle became increasingly aggressive toward Dr. Phil >> and the studio audience.
>> So, I w I watched the whole segment earlier, or should I say rewatched it.
>> Yeah.
>> She admits to stealing the car of a makeup artist on Dr. Phil's crew because they had to go to her house to like film the B-roll and you know the interviews and stuff.
>> You stole the car of someone who came to your house. That's not smart.
>> Presumably to do your makeup.
>> That's wild.
>> She stole her She stole her car, including the woman's purse with allegedly $100 cash in it, which >> of course didn't make it back to its rightful owner.
um hitting her grandmother's car in the process and fleeing the scene.
>> Got it. Double whammy.
>> So, he like starts listing out all of the um crimes that she has just confessed to on tape.
>> Uhhuh.
>> Including Grand Theft Auto.
>> Yeah.
>> He says, quote, "I'm your worst nightmare, girl." The audience, >> I doubt that. I doubt that, Dr. Phil. I don't think you're that hardcore.
>> Oh my god, he's so weird. Danielle gets >> I have your worst nightmare.
>> Danielle gets more agitated as as like I said, Dr. Phil outlines all the crimes she has just confessed to. She is also accused of punching her mother in the chest, quote, because she has breast cancer.
>> Yikes. Isn't that what this will help?
>> But it's I mean it does. It's obviously a not a great household. I think there's >> there's too much.
>> There's violence on more than one side.
>> Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure. This seems tumultuous at best. There's a lot to unpack here.
>> It's a lot to unpack. Uh karma does circle back in this respect. We'll get we'll get back to that.
>> Okay. Um, so she comments, "All these hoes laughing like there's something funny."
>> Referring to the audience, >> and this is straight from Wikipedia because I love how this was phrased.
When Brigali became irritated by the audience's laughter, she told them, "Catch me outside. How about that?"
Challenging the studio audience to fight her outside >> in these mean streets. Her affected accent made the phrase sound like, "Cash me outside, how about?"
>> Yes. Because that's how it's like written out.
>> A little white girl who is putting on a black scent to make herself feel tough and important.
I do want to be clear. Her father is Ashkanazi. Her mother is Italian. She is objectively a white girl with a really performative black scent.
>> Yeah, it's it's racist is what it is.
>> And we will also circle back to the um what's it called? Appropriation.
>> Mhm.
>> I do want to play you the clip though.
>> Yes. I need it. This went so [ __ ] viral.
>> I know everyone's going to you're going to recognize it. But I I but maybe you have forgotten how she speaks. I'm kind of obsessed with it. It's so >> Oh god, it's so cringe. It's so bad.
>> Again, she's 13.
>> Mhm.
>> Ain't nobody going to catch me >> cuz you're too street wise.
>> Yep. And all these hoes laughing like something funny. She's talking about the audience that they're laughing at her.
>> That's her mother.
>> Did you say the the the hoes are laughing?
>> Yep.
>> So, the audience are a bunch of hoes.
>> Yep.
>> Yep.
>> So, then all the white ladies in the audience are clapping.
>> CATCH ME OUTSIDE. HOW ABOUT THAT?
>> HUH?
>> Catch me outside. How about that?
>> Catch you outside.
>> What does that mean?
>> Catch you outside.
>> What did I just say?
>> Catch.
>> So, that her mother has to like translate. Translate >> Dr. Phil is like catch you outside.
>> Catch you outside.
>> So there is a lot of discuss. She sucks.
He sucks.
>> He sucks too because then I mean there this is 2016.
>> Mhm.
>> Hopefully we have learned but I probably Dr. Phil has not, but he does go on to question based on her fake accent >> her level of education.
>> Oh, of course.
>> Yeah. So, there's there's a lot to unpack about that. I'm not really going to go into >> Right. That's not that's not the work we're going to do today, but I'm glad you're acknowledging it.
>> Yes. Okay. So, this swiftly became a meme and Danielle became known as the Cash Me Outside.
>> Outside girl. Catch me outside.
>> Within months, she became a viral sensation, prompting a ton of tweets, videos, remixes all over the internet.
Like Tik Tok dances, so many remixes.
>> The videos, the video of Danielle's Dr. Phil appearance is now the most watched show uh most watched like video on the Dr. Phil's YouTube channel, >> having amassed as of this morning, more than 56 million views.
>> Holy [ __ ] And you know how you can scroll and it shows the spike of like where everyone's fast forwarding to.
>> Brilliant.
>> It's it's it's that.
>> Mhm.
>> Um, according to a Medium article, quote, "Although the original segment aired was posted on the Dr. Phil YouTube channel in September of 2016, it didn't become widely famous until the Facebook page Digital Memes posted it in early 2017."
>> Yeah, it's always somebody. It's not the people who watch Dr. Phil that are making those clips blow up. It's somebody finding it >> because they overheard Dr. Phil at like their mom or their mima's house and then they posted it and were like, "Holy [ __ ] what the [ __ ] is this?"
>> Or they're falling asleep, too. Dr. Phil clips >> or they're falling as well. But the clip is only out there because >> I know I know >> somebody made it famous.
>> Well, it wasn't me. I >> You helped keep it. How many of those 56 million views do you think are yours?
at least a half a dozen.
>> Incredible.
>> So, it quickly spread to other platforms and has been, like I said, remixed extensively. Bit emoji created a character to express the emoji. The emotion.
>> No way.
>> I don't remember.
>> Not the not going so viral you get your own bit emoji. Also, remember Bit Emoji?
>> Yes, this is an article from 2018. I apologize. This is so 2018, 2016. This is amazing.
>> Oh yeah. Yeah. Um, so like in another example of how viral it went, there's a photo on the drive of this. A church in Georgia put on their like church marquee said, "Catch God inside. How about that?"
>> You guys, that wasn't that clever.
>> I'm enjoying it. Yes, that's funny. But no, >> when it gets to the church, it's spent.
>> Yeah. Then then it's dead. Yeah. It's not fun anymore. Well, the church is memeing.
>> Yeah.
>> You know, that means >> I do like >> I do like churches that like embrace gay people.
>> Yes.
>> Because their signs are often mocking churches that don't.
>> Listen, I'll take a quippy church sign.
That's not the problem.
I really want to get my own church sign for my yard.
>> Do it.
>> We don't have an HOA. Wouldn't that be cool? Just post. Just put >> That would be amazing. You'd go viral in De Moine.
>> Maybe. I wonder if >> Alice Oscar.
>> Yeah.
>> Doubt it.
>> Why don't you just do it and find out?
>> Forgiveness, not permission, right?
>> Cash her outside. How about that?
>> Cash me outside.
putting up my letters on my church sign.
>> Yeah, exactly.
>> Okay, so the meme also inspired a single based on the clip called Cash Me Outside, which was recorded by DJ Suede, the remix god, >> and actually got in.
>> No, th this is not We're going to get to her.
>> She gets a musical career, doesn't she?
She claws her way toward one.
>> Bad Baby. Yes, >> Bad Baby. Oh, that's right. It's Bad Baby.
>> It's Bad Baby. B H B H A D B H A B I E.
>> Why the H?
>> I don't know. You're You're asking the wrong person.
>> And that's not even like how her >> um >> name is spelled or anything.
>> Her last name is Brigali. It's just B R E G O L I.
>> Yeah, there aren't hes places that would make this make sense.
Yeah. I don't know what I don't know how she came up with that, but it's not for me to know.
>> It's not It's not Everything is for us.
This isn't for you.
>> It It's not It's not for us.
>> No.
>> But that that first song, the DJ Suede, the remix got uh got on the Hot Board, Billboard Hot 100. Um it just it was it was in the charts like very well.
>> It was used the clip. it wasn't her music and it went it did quite well. I love that >> this she's like I want my own music career.
>> She got it.
>> But after that song got popular, other companies started brand like using it um using the virality to sell [ __ ] So Danielle and her mother sued three different companies for quote infringing on her intellectual property rights by using her catchphrase without her permission.
>> Yeah.
>> She threatened to sue Walmart because apparently they put that on a t-shirt.
>> I mean, had she copyritten her little viral phrase?
>> I mean, no. If if anybody has the right to copyright it, I feel like it would be Dr. Phil.
>> Dr. Phil. Yeah, they probably beat them to it. I mean, I know she's freaking out about her rights, but we're not out here like trademarking or copyrighting everything we just say. And so if she's not out here doing that, >> Yeah. But like in a court, I mean, that's why like intellectual property lawyers exist, you could very well argue that Yeah. it came out of her mouth, >> but on this show, so it belongs to the show.
>> You could argue >> clearly you could argue because she did sue.
>> Yep. Yep. Um, so she in 2017 she was nominated for the MTV Music Awards in the trending category based on her meme.
She hadn't done Well, I guess she had been working a little bit behind the scenes at that point, but she was not big on her own at that point yet.
>> Sure.
>> But like I said, she did put in some work uh on August 24th, 2017. So, she was 14 years old at this point.
>> Good lord.
>> Danielle released her first single called These Hoes. But it hoes is spelled H E A U X.
>> Okay.
>> So, that was her first single under her artist name. Bad Bahad.
>> Bahad behave.
>> Mhm.
>> Bahadly behaved behavior.
She is very badly behaved. We'll get to it. It reached number 77 on the Billboard Hot 100, making her the youngest female rap artist to debut on the music chart.
>> Oh god.
>> 14. Its success prompted Atlantic Records to sign her to a multi- album recording contract. Multi-million dollars.
>> Let's not do this. This is not good.
This is not good for her. This is not going to get anyone anywhere. This is a flash in the pan moment.
>> They're all flashes.
>> They're all flashes.
>> A comet streaking across the night sky.
>> A Bad Baby comet. The Bad Baby Comet.
>> Mhm. On March 26th, 2018, she celebrated her what would that uh 2018 or her 16th birthday.
>> Her her super sweet 16.
>> She celebrated with a new song release.
You might have heard this one. Gucci flip-flops.
No.
>> Oh my god. It gets stuck in your head. I don't I'm not going to play it because I don't want her to sue me. But um yeah, it's just I don't know what >> I'll play it after the show.
>> Play it after the show. But it's like Well, it's featuring Lil Yachty.
>> Okay.
>> I had to Google I do I remember hearing it and I Googled the lyrics. I couldn't tell what the [ __ ] anyone was saying was going on or like what it was about.
>> It's literally about flipflops.
>> Okay.
>> Flip flops. Trying to get my [ __ ] on my socks. I don't remember. But anyway, >> earworm though. I actually didn't mind the song.
>> Oh god.
>> Okay. Danielle was nominated for a 2018 Billboard Music Award in the best female rap artists category alongside Cardi B and Nicki Minaj. You guys, racism is crazy because even like there she should not [ __ ] be up there with these people. And also her like clever spelling quote unquote of hoes like black women have been doing that online for a long time. So she stole that.
She's 15. She doesn't know what the [ __ ] she's doing. and everything.
>> She's appropriating >> a music. Oh, she got the I'm We are part of the prop. This I'm pissed.
I'm short circuiting.
>> Um November >> best rap album.
>> Be uh best female rap artist.
I as I I think she had only released uh a couple songs.
>> A couple songs. I don't know that she had a full album out at this point.
>> Oh my god.
>> I don't know. I don't [ __ ] know.
Anyway, um on November 16th, this is still 2018, controversy arose when Danielle threw her drink at and attempted to assault Iggy Aelia.
>> What drink? Chocolate milk.
>> She's 15, 16 years old.
>> Uh-huh.
while attending Cardi B's Fashion Nova launch party. Like, there's just a lot going on here.
>> She should be grounded. She should be ground. Go to your room. Go to bed.
>> Go to bed. She told Paparazzi that she had done it because of comments that Aelia had made on Instagram because that is what you fight about when you're 16 years old.
>> Oh my god. embarrassing.
>> Aelia responded with a series of tweets condemning Danielle.
>> Funny how she's 16 and yet the entire like new season of the Valley is culminating to things people liked on Instagram, which we're telling. And Danny is terrible and I'm not I'm not backing him up, but it's like we all have brain rot. If this is the [ __ ] we're fighting about, all of us are doomed.
>> Did you watch the most recent episode?
>> Not I haven't watched yet today. There's like a big explosive fight or I guess it was last week's episode. Couldn't tell you what the [ __ ] anyone was mad at each other about. I don't know who >> when they were all drunk.
>> Yeah. Zack screams.
>> Yeah, that was them talking about who liked certain things on Instagram that were saying bad things about other people and the people in the room who liked the bad things that were being said, the comments.
>> But it was also about like him >> sexually assaulting.
It's all it's all just >> it's all stemming from that. And I I totally believe that he is a drunk, grabby, freaky weirdo who is like >> a creepy religious nut who wants to control his wife. And I believe all of that. And my brain is still falling out of my head watching this [ __ ] >> Yeah.
>> Cuz I'm like, these are serious these are unserious people grappling with serious problems. And it it is so frustrating to watch. And it's like these unserious people, I know they're on TV, but I think this is how a lot of people approach these kinds of conversations, unfortunately.
>> And it makes me fear for the future of our world >> and I can't stop watching it.
>> I know. We both love it. And we both [ __ ] love it.
>> And my peacock, >> shoot it into my veins.
>> Exhausted.
>> We are the problem though. Yeah, we're super the cash us outside.
>> Oh god, >> we're super the problem.
>> Well, >> my house is still shaking. Oh my god.
Okay, it's fine.
>> Well, speaking of reality TV shows, she got one.
>> She around this time released the trailer of her reality show called Bringing Up Baby, which was published on Snapchat.
Remember if Snapchat had like reality shows for 5 minutes?
>> I rarely if ever engage in Snapchat, but I know people that still [ __ ] with it, so I would never have been exposed to this.
>> The first season had 12 episodes, and TMZ reported ratings of over 10 million unique viewers in its first 24 hours.
>> Okay, >> it's it works. She is a fascinating character.
>> Yeah, >> we're talking about her. We're still talking about her in 2026. So, yes, something worked.
>> The publication also reported she was set to earn over $10 million in 2019.
So, during September 2019, the reality show was renewed by Snapchat for a second season uh that was due to air in the summer of 2020.
But, like so many things, the co pandemic really [ __ ] with her career trajectory. Oh, no.
>> Right. She did go on a tour of like North America in 2019 and she was supposed to go or she was like halfway through another tour in 2020, early 2020 before it was cancelled.
>> She's done live shows in like [ __ ] New Zealand live show.
>> I believe it. I believe it.
>> Yeah.
>> We're sick.
>> We're sick.
>> We are sick.
>> Yeah. Um Oh, here we go. In December of 2019, a video of Danielle wearing box braids was posted to Instagram.
>> Girl, don't.
>> Causing controversy over cultural appropriation and ultimately made her decide to go to quit social media for a while. Probably a good idea.
>> Yeah.
>> So, we're kind of jumping around here timelinewise because girl has a lot going on.
>> But, so back, let's see. I believe this would have been uh early well 2017.
So after she appeared on Dr. Phil.
>> Okay.
>> And I think because of her appearance on Dr. Phil, she was sent to Turnabout Ranch.
>> Oh, >> if you've ever seen Dr. Phil, you know what Turnabout Ranch is.
>> I'm creeped out by that. He clearly has like a relationship.
>> Yeah. Oh, yeah. And it's like one of these.
>> It's a troubled teen facility.
>> Yeah. Like teenage delinquent camp farm.
>> Yes.
>> Improvement center. And I always get nervous about [ __ ] like that.
>> Mhm.
I >> Is it in Provo, Utah?
>> It's in Escalante, Utah. Well, >> but it's in the middle of No, I mean, it's in the I think it's in the middle of nowhere and they just have these kids like literally struggle to survive. So, they like >> there's these learn the value of a dollar.
>> We should do a wilderness camp crimes episode cuz there are a lot >> in Utah and it's I'm curious about the industry and like why there are so many there and why that region >> and the religious >> troubled teens crime troubled teens episode.
>> Okay, we'll have to do that. Um, yeah.
Okay, we're putting on the calendar.
>> Um, so she was later, I don't know if this was at the camp or after the camp, but she was arrested and plead guilty to charges of grand theft, cannabis possession, and filing a false police report for which she was sentenced to 5 years probation in July 2017. I actually think that was the [ __ ] that she confessed to on Dr. Phil. Okay.
>> Because the remember the title of the episode she >> oh was like all the same charges >> said something about uh my daughter uh tried to frame me for a it was a drug crime.
>> Yep.
>> So that's I'm sure that's what that was.
Okay.
>> So she was sentenced to 5 years probation, but the probation ended in March of 2018 after she hired a new lawyer. She had money by then to hire a better lawyer and she got her probation dropped.
>> She could get out. Yep.
>> Mhm. I mean, good for her.
>> So, backing up again to February 2017.
This was closer to the time when she appeared on Dr. Phil because that was September of 2016.
>> Okay.
>> There's a little bit from TMZ article.
>> Oh, they know everything.
>> Mhm. Okay. February 2017.
The Cash Meow Side girl caught caught someone inside an airplane Monday evening with a shot to the face.
>> What?
>> She punched a lady. Oh, okay. I was That's >> not a gun or anything.
>> That's poorly written. TMZ, >> TMZ, >> I'm disappointed in you, TMZ. I thought you were better than this.
>> They're not. And police ended up yanking her, her mother, and another passenger off their plane. It is a Spirit Airlines plane.
>> Oh, no. We've learned Danielle Brigali and her mom were boarding a Spirit Airlines flight out of LAX last night when mom got into a dispute with a female passenger. We are told Danielle's mother was struggling to put her carry-on bag in the overhead compartment because she's wearing a walking cast for an injured foot. She was booted up >> and she was trying to lift her bag up.
>> Yep. And needed a little help.
>> And it's a spirit flight, so everyone's pissed off.
>> Yep.
already.
>> Mhm.
>> Um, and the weight wasn't sitting well with the third party. Danielle says the other woman put her hands on her mom's throat and that's why she had to cold [ __ ] the impatient passenger.
>> Okay. If that's true and somebody put their hands on my mother's throat in an airplane, I'd probably punch them too, to be honest.
>> Right. After Danielle unccorked the punch, the woman made a citizen's arrest. That's my favorite part. God, how dare you punch me for choking your mother?
>> A short time later, police arrived and took all three off the plane. We're told no one wanted to press charges, so there were no arrests and everyone involved decided their lawyers would handle it from there.
>> Interesting.
>> There is video of the incident. I did put two stills, well a side by side, a couple stills on the drive. You can >> I was confused by what these photos are, so thank you for explaining that.
>> That is bead behav.
so bad.
>> Um, it also got a little bit racist.
>> Yeah, it always does. She's been racist since day one.
>> Uh, no. The Well, the the woman was lashing out. According to the video, the woman called Danielle a slur that I will not say uh that is being directed at white people who are acting in a an appropriative way. Do you know what I'm saying?
>> Oh, but with W. Yeah. We don't say that.
>> We do not say that. Um >> and it's not because it's derogatory toward white people. It's because it's too close to the word that we don't say.
And it's just >> it's way too close to the word.
>> It's just a changing of the word we don't say so that we can say it without feeling bad because it's toward white people. No.
>> And at the end of the day, it is still meant to be an insult >> based on y >> blackness. So we're not >> Anyway, we're not >> we know what the word is.
>> Yes.
>> Um also the woman spat on Danielle and her mother. So all all this is to say that all parties were behaving badly. If she did put her hands on her if if the woman put her hands around her mother's throat again probably just deserve that punch.
>> But again who we're talking about here.
>> Mhm. Mhm.
>> In June of 2020, Brigali entered Danielle entered a 31-day rehab facility for childhood trauma and addiction to prescription medication. Mhm.
>> She received support from celebrities such as Demi Lovado, Black Chynina, and Charlie XCX.
>> In March of 2021, she uploaded a video to her YouTube channel. I'm just kind of listing there's again there's just a lot going on.
>> Yeah.
>> She she posted a video basically outlining um abuse at Turnaround Ranch.
>> Mhm. She accused saffers of forcing her to sit still for 3 days straight without being allowed to sleep, using physical restraint on other teenagers, and ignoring reports of bullying. She also criticized Dr. Phil very publicly for sending teenagers to that particular facility. And there was this back and forth like he was being interviewed all these news outlets um basically saying we don't follow up once we send kids to what we think will be a helpful resource for them >> right >> we're not they're out of our hands.
Yeah.
>> But she kind of was like that's not true. They were sending reports about these kids directly to Dr. Phil's team, >> which who knows? But there was some there was that there.
>> But back to the the troubled teens facility. You know how Paris Hilton has the same claims.
>> Mhm.
>> So Danielle has since teamed up with Paris Hilton to like make form some sort of advocacy group or or it's not really clear if they're setting up their own troubled teen program.
>> Sure. But they have both been outspoken about it and they uh are or at least were collaborating.
>> Mhm.
>> On April 1st, 2021, 6 days after her 18th birthday, >> she opened an Oh, she's an adult now.
>> Only fans account.
>> Okay. All right.
>> She's an adult. Whatever works.
This now young woman earned over a million dollars in revenue in the first six hours of having an only fan account.
Isn't that [ __ ] >> So, broken down $757,000 from subscriptions. I've never used Only Fans, so I don't know how it works. But >> she got a threearters of that from subscriptions, $267,000 from message payments. So you can I guess you people pay for you to just individually message >> message with them. Yeah. Mhm.
>> They can also tip you. So she made an extra five grand in just tips.
>> She later >> Porn's the biggest industry basically in the world and she's got a little fame.
So, I get it. Like, I'm I'm >> make your bag while you can. I >> I'm shook, but I can't say I'm like super surprised to hear that this was the path.
>> Who are we?
>> Oh, >> to tell someone else.
>> Never make your money on the internet.
>> Not [ __ ] yourself out on the internet.
>> That's very hypocritical.
>> It's literally what we do. We just don't show tits. Yeah. Which we've talked about changing that >> in our naturalist episode.
>> Yeah. And I'd do it again.
>> That was one of my best jokes when we turned on when we all when we got on our studio room and I was topless.
>> Totally nude. I know.
>> Oh, that was a good one. Okay, that was before we did video. I think that's too bad.
>> Yeah, cuz I think we just took a screenshot of the >> Skype we were using to talk to each other and you're just like >> unreal. Okay.
So she later demonstrated evidence of earning uh more than $50 million which some people don't believe hopefully.
Sure.
>> Yeah. Maybe >> by se by September 2024 so three and a half years later she was earning on average almost $1.5 million a month on just only fans >> a month. a month and remained the highest paid creator on the entire platform.
However, just a year after that, she had fallen to the fourth fourth highest paid creator, earning a measly $13 million a month.
A month.
>> Okay, get it.
>> I can't I can't think about that too much or I'll cry.
>> You know, there's so much money in the world. crying and broke. Yeah, I know.
For real.
>> There's a lot of money in the world.
>> It's hard to do like a lot of mutual aid and then hear that Bad Baby is getting $1 and a half million dollars a month on Only Fans, but that's fine.
>> I know. It hurts. It stings.
>> It hurts a lot.
>> So, she uh she was dating a rapper. I don't know how to pronounce his name.
It's either Lee Levon or Leavon.
It looks like Leavonne, >> but I think that's his whole name >> maybe.
>> Anyway, Leavonne um for like 5 years from 2020 to February of 2025.
>> Okay. So, they were like serious.
>> Yes. And they had a daughter together in March of 2024.
So, they have the daughter in March. In July, Danielle uh accused him of domestic violence, posting security footage of him slamming her onto the ground.
>> Oh, Jesus.
>> So, she deleted the post, but then like a few months later, she got into a public feud with Alabama Barker, >> the daughter of Travis Barker.
>> Travis Barker, who also is in hot water for cultural appropriation big time on her platform. It makes sense that they were >> beefing >> in similar circles.
>> Um, so Danielle accused Alabama Barker of trying to steal her boyfriend Leavonne and the father of her child.
>> At this time, Danielle w she had been diagnosed with a a blood cancer and was undergoing chemotherapy.
>> Oh [ __ ] >> And had a baby at home.
>> That's a lot.
>> That's a lot. So, in February of 2025, she and Leavonne uh broke up.
>> Polo quits. They broke up. Okay.
>> In March of 2025, Leavonne was shot in his pinky finger at a strip club in Los Angeles.
>> What?
Got shot in the pinky here once. Would go back.
>> Would go back. Probably did.
>> What the [ __ ] dude?
>> I don't know. And then like there was a bunch of I actually kind of remember when this happened, but there was like a bunch of uh I guess LA gossip and then Danielle ended up leaving the entire state of California for her safety.
>> Wow.
>> She was claiming that three gunmen had tried to break into her home. I don't really understand what if any of this is like related, >> right, or real.
>> It was just a bunch of like gossip in the rags.
>> Rapid fire rag gossip. Yeah, >> about messy people.
>> Um, just a just a little a little bit more.
I don't even know what she's doing today, but just just a little more about her. She began undergoing cosmetic procedures when she was just 16, beginning with butt injections.
>> Oh, honey.
>> At 16.
>> No, that's too young. in January of 2025. So, this is right before she broke up with the boyfriend. She wrote on Instagram that she had undergone uh well, she had a nose job >> to quote remove the hump from her nose.
>> Poor thing.
>> Whatever.
>> Don't [ __ ] with your face when you're a teenager.
>> I know. In 2024, she had fillers in her chin, lips, and and cheeks dissolved.
>> Oh, so she had the fillers dissolved.
>> Taken out. Yeah. Well, not taken out, but yeah. Um, she also spent 40 grand on veneers.
>> All right.
>> She just seems like unhappy with how she looks and is. And it's just >> when you're already a mess.
>> She's lived She's lived through some [ __ ] She's just She's kind of >> Yeah, >> she was already going through it and then got launched into the public eye and then had access to a lot of money at a very young age and it's just it's all of it's not going to be it's not going to end well. She has publicly stated that she believes her mother is bipolar and her father has a a delusional disorder. And then she also accused her mother's ex-boyfriend and her own ex bodyguard of sexual abuse during her childhood.
>> I mean, there had to have been some [ __ ] going on in her life for her to even end up on Dr. Phil acting like this in the [ __ ] first place.
>> I know. I know.
>> So, some things will we'll never know exactly what's going on behind closed doors, but like >> and we don't need to know. It's not for us to know.
>> No. But these behaviors didn't just happen overnight and then suddenly they went on Dr. Phil. Like there's no way.
>> All of this [ __ ] is just so public.
>> Yeah. It's really sad.
>> Yeah.
>> [ __ ] a >> the cancer karma. I read that she had cancer and was like, >> "Good lord."
>> Yeah. So, I don't know where she is today. I hope she's doing well.
>> Yeah. I >> was herif that was her 15 minutes of fame. I kind of hope it's at a close.
>> Yeah, I really hope >> Keep on Your Only Fans, girlfriend.
>> Yeah, stay in your corner. Stay in that corner of the internet >> as long as you feel safe there. And make your bag and live your life quietly. That's really all that you can try to do.
>> And maybe go outside.
>> Maybe cash yourself outside. How about that?
>> Just like touch grass. How about that?
>> Cash me outside touching grass. Cash me outside touch of grass any chance I [ __ ] get. How about that? How about that?
>> So that's the story of Bahad Behabi.
>> Bahad Behabi. Wow, what a catchup. I I had not been thinking about her.
>> A cash up.
>> What a cash up.
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So, I'm going to take us back to the year of our birth, 1987, to talk >> baby Jessica. Baby Jessica, >> which is why I had it's me Jessica stuck in my head from hot chicks with a hot chick. On October 14th, 1987, 18-month-old baby Jessica Mccclure, now Moral, now Jessica Mccclure Morales, who became known globally as baby Jessica, fell into an abandoned well in her aunt's backyard in Midland, Texas. Oh my god, >> honey.
Just wait.
>> I'm sorry I'm laughing.
>> I know, >> but I forgot the context until you said it. And it's just so >> Baby Jessica literally fell in a well.
[ __ ] >> It's Didoli alert someone.
>> No, I wish. She was lodged approximately 22 feet below the ground surface.
>> Oh my god. in a narrow 8 in well casing.
This is another in the million reasons why I will not have kids because apparently if you look away for a moment like baby Jessica was outside playing >> so [ __ ] fast.
>> There are a bunch of toddlers outside.
They looked away for like a second.
>> A second.
>> And your baby Jessica wanders outside and lod lodges herself into the [ __ ] well. like >> kids are basically just actively trying to die and parenting is mostly intervening so they don't do that I guess.
>> No, literally. So there are days when my nervous system is so shot because >> it like multiple jolts of just your kid almost got hit by a car.
>> Yeah. June has not been wandering street.
>> No, >> no, but it's just like it takes a second. They just dart. They just dart.
>> Oh my god. Oh my god. I feel so bad for her.
>> I know. So, this is from People magazine. And we'll kind of get to why there are so many references to People magazine, but Morales had been playing with four other toddlers in her aunt's backyard in Midland, Texas when she fell 22 feet down a small well. It's unknown how exactly she wound up down the abandoned shaft. And family and friends insist that the hole had been covered and had like a rock on it. She might have just found like one little way.
Kids find a way.
>> They do.
>> If they want to get into something.
>> I drove down a well one time by accident.
I I had my driver's permit. We were at like my aunt North Dakota ancestral farm.
Okay. And I was driving my dad's Ford Explorer with my cousin and I it was just in the yard. I wasn't going fast and there was a boarded up well.
>> Uh you drove over it.
>> Yeah. But we had to like really call someone to get it out.
>> Well, yeah. That's You're not You'd have to get probably towed out of that.
>> Yeah. There there were uh there was a pulley system involved.
>> Mhm. Mhm.
Uh quote, "I didn't know what to do. I just ran in and called the police. They were there within 3 minutes, but it felt like a lifetime," said Jessica's mother, [ __ ] who told said that to people in November of 1987. "Rescuers, including local firemen, police, and oil drillers." "I'm telling you, there were like hundreds of people there." If you look at the pictures on the drive, we'll we'll get to one of them, but um there's some photos on the drive and you can see >> oh my god, >> baby Jessica Mccclure. There's like a crowd of people that are with equipment that are all around this well helping get her out.
>> This is I mean circumstances aside, men love to stand around and watch other men use tools. Men, white men love to stand around a situation. That's like >> that is in our DNA.
>> And this is a photo of just a fe a driveway full of white men standing around.
>> Pretty much. Pretty much.
Um yeah, the plan involved drilling a shaft parallel to the well and then creating a horizontal cross tunnel to safely reach and extract baby Jessica.
So, I did put a picture of the rescue plan that I found on Instagram.
>> That was the simplest solution, >> I guess, because they couldn't just get down there and pull her out. Like, she was stuck. And like there's this little It's a small >> entryway. It's only 8 in across this like tube that she crawled down 22 feet straight down and then it opens up in an area where that will hold previously would have held water. She like lodged herself down in this little impossible to access chamber in the well. Are you looking at the picture?
>> Yes. It's making me feel physically ill.
Imagining crawling >> up or down that thing.
>> I can't I can't. But it's way worse because she actually So she's like gone in kind of face down and she's only a little 18-month old baby. Obviously this rendering they have her as like a toddler just plopped in there standing straight up but she was like upside down her legs twisted she was legiation >> she could there are so many ways that she could have died. It's absolutely a miracle and it took 58 hours >> stop it >> to get her out.
>> Oh my god.
>> She's down there like a little pretzel.
her mother. Oh, girl. I can't I can't I mean, this is why the nation the N this was like the closest thing I think we've had and I would say it doesn't even really come close because >> people elected to go on this excursion.
But like when we couldn't find the Titan submersible >> and the whole world watched while we searched for it. Yeah.
>> This was like they were like the news was live streaming the rescue like portions of the rescue operation >> as best they could in 1987.
>> Yeah. But I mean there were news crews there that were like filming a lot. Like there was a lot of >> I guess they have the the trucks with the big satellite dishes.
>> But the satellites Yeah.
>> Yeah. Wow.
>> Yeah. early early live streams. The operation seemed straightforward but faced significant hurdles. The well was surrounded by hard rock and the team's jackhammers were designed for downward so they could like dig down but once they get to the part where they have to make the pathway across the jackhammers aren't meant to do that. Yeah.
>> So then they bring in a mining engineer to coordinate the efforts who instructed the team to utilize water jet cutting to make that pathway across to baby Jessica which was relatively new technology at the time. So not a lot of people even knew how to use it.
>> Jesus.
>> 45 hours after Jessica fell into the well, >> the adjacent shaft and cross tunnel were completed. So the remaining 10 hours of time was just to get her out. It took them two days almost to dig it and then and then another 10 hours plus to get her out.
>> During the drilling, rescuers could hear Jessica singing Winnie the Pooh to just regulate her. She was basically like off and on crying or they would like recommend things for her to get distracted with.
>> Oh my god.
>> Yeah. Again, from People magazine. So sad.
>> I know.
>> Quote, "The first police officer on the scene was Bobby Joe Hall." BJ Hall, >> told people that he couldn't see anything when he first looked down the hole. Quote, "I called the baby's name three or four times, and I didn't hear anything. Finally, I got a cry in response. We didn't know how deep she was until we lowered a tape hooked to a flashlight into the hole." Detective Andy Glass Glasscock, oh god, added, "I would say 80% of the time she was either crying or making some kind of noise that we could hear. When we weren't calling words of encouragement, we'd tell her to sing for us. I'll never forget her singing Winnie the Pooh."
>> No, >> I know.
>> Between the drunk dive and this, you have devastated me today.
>> I know. I'm sorry.
>> I am like not in a good mood anymore.
>> I am really sorry. Well, the day is almost over, so this is great timing.
>> I know. Well, I'm almost done with you.
>> She lives.
>> She better lives.
>> I would never let that child out of my sight for the rest of my life.
>> I know. Can you imagine? I mean, the trauma that this whole family, >> Jesus, >> must have endured. And then you're suddenly so famous.
>> I mean, to this day, people recognize what baby Jessica is. It was like it was like a Jacob Wetling like unifying event.
>> Hands across America.
>> Yeah. In especially like white American media.
>> Yeah.
>> Um after the passageways were complete, a roofing contractor named Ron Short, who could collapse his shoulders due to being born without collar bones and therefore squeeze into the shaft to reach the baby. volunteered to go down.
So, if you're still looking at that image of the they dug this 30-in wide hole that went down 27 ft and then they mined a 20in cross path.
>> Oh my god.
>> And this guy was like, "Well, I don't have collar bones. I could squeeze into that hole." And people were like, "Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. We're not just going to send some rando with no collar bones down there to grab baby Jessica. Like, we probably need a professional, like a medical professional some in some way to do this.
>> Um, I am I don't know what to say.
>> I know.
I know.
>> When you first said it, I thought they sought out someone with no collar bones to fit down the hole >> forward.
It was like, I'll do it. And the rescue team was like, um, liability and lack of experience. were probably not going to do this.
>> So they said no despite his physical advantages.
>> Why didn't >> Well, someone else went in together.
>> Yes. So they said no to him going in. It was ultimately ENT Robert O'Donnell who descended the shaft. He inched through the tunnel, freed baby Jessica. Yes.
>> Oh my god. I was gonna say just imagine the aura that that man must have had to be the ideal candidate and her >> holding up and going look what I can do.
>> Yeah.
>> And they're like her family's like >> how about someone else?
>> Well, it wasn't her family that said no.
It was this group of professionals that were running this operation were like, "Thank you so much for offering, but we're going to send an actual EMT down into the pit. Like, we're not just going to send a volunteer down there, but thank you." Yes. No collar bones. That man has collar problems.
>> So, Robert O'Donnell gets her out. He inches through the tunnel. He he hands he he pulls her out. He hands her up to another ENT, a man named Steve Forbes who carries her to the surface and an ambulance is waiting there to take her to the hospital for treatment. And you can actually see a picture. There's the one labeled Getty Images cuz No, I wasn't going to buy it.
>> Oh, honey. of her all bundled up like >> and that's her face. She had a big cut.
>> Yeah. Oh, she got hurt.
>> She got hurt. Poor thing.
>> Oh, >> so the rescue was a >> hell of a photo.
>> Oh, it's Well, I'm glad you said that because it won a Pulitzer Prize and we're going to get to it. Um, The Rescue was a massive media event with each of the big three television networks. So ABC, CBS, and NBC breaking into prime time programming to broadcast the like successful end of the rescue live.
>> Oh, during the news, my god. Then the nation stood still.
>> Girl, President Ronald Reagan, who was president at the time, taking a break from sucking off the dong of capitalism and expanding the wealth gap and dooming America to latestage capitalist hellscape.
>> It'll trickle down. It'll trickle down.
It'll trickle down, remarked that everybody in America became godmothers and godfathers of Jessica while this was going on. He even invited baby Jessica and her family to the White House for a meet and greet. And there is a pic of that ghoul holding her on the drive.
>> Oh my god.
>> This is like how big of a deal it was.
Look at him laughing with baby Jessica.
>> Those are her parents on the right to the right of Ronald Reagan.
>> Oh wait, no, that's George Bush.
>> Yeah, >> but George Bush did meet with her. That not that's George Bush senior. Whatever.
or they all look the same to me. They're all crap.
>> Oh, yeah. They're all lizards.
>> But yes, >> baby Jessica's enormous spectacles in this >> George Bush photo is sending me. This is so cute.
>> I love her big giant glasses.
>> She's so cute.
News of her successful rescue was even announced on the Jumbotron at uh the Metrodome during a Minnesota Gophers U of M versus uh University of Indiana football game >> and no one cared who won the game after that.
>> I did. The Gophers lost by one point to Indiana 17 and 18.
But it there was this big jumbotron announcement that's like baby Jessica rescued and like the Metrodome like erupted with tears because everybody had been watching this [ __ ] it it broke into prime time news across the country and was announced on the jumbotron at a college sports game. So it was probably announced like everywhere.
>> That's so cool.
>> I just thought that one was interesting cuz it's a Minnesota connection.
>> Oh, let's all ask our parents what they were doing.
>> Where were you when baby Jessica was pulled out of the well? Yeah, it's the 80s JFK.
>> It's the new Yeah, it's the 80s 911.
>> Um, a photograph of the rescue by Scott Shaw won a Pulitzer Prize, that black and white one that's on the drive. And the event was dramatized in a 1989 television movie, Everybody's Baby, The Rescue of Jessica Mccclure.
>> Everybody's Everybody's Baby.
>> Oh, what?
>> So, yeah, it was kind of a big deal.
People were obsessed with baby Jessica falling in the well. I think it was >> freshly obsessed.
>> Yeah, it was just this like media sensation. Kind of reminds me of um which might end have ended up being a hoax, but I still don't know where I fall on that. But remember that kid who was apparently in the like >> Balloon Boy.
>> Balloon Boy. Yeah, >> it was definitely a hoax. That that family is wild.
>> Yeah, they're weird. But this this was like it was the sensation. It was like that level of sensation. Like everybody was obsessed with watching it.
>> I remember where I was when he was up in the air.
>> If there hadn't if there had been the internet, it would have been super [ __ ] viral. Like absolutely nuts.
>> Um but once she was rescued, folks kind of forgot about her. Like Jessica had a lot going on post rescue. Poor little thing. Because she got hurt down there.
>> Yeah. It kind of reminds me of how folks joked about the woman who got burned by the McDonald's coffee and no one thought it was a big deal, but then when you actually saw the burns, like >> thirdderee [ __ ] burns.
>> Her legs were [ __ ] destroyed. So, and like, okay, listen, it's not great that we're laughing about baby Jessica. We shouldn't be laughing about baby Jessica, but I'm kind of glad you did at the top because it did get turned into this sort of like, oh yeah, I remember when that baby fell in the well, but it's like actually a lot that poor girl endured.
>> Yeah. Like the dingo ate my baby thing.
>> Yeah. It's like it seems like a really horrific thing that happened that's now a punch line, >> right? Baby Jessica did not just get pulled out of the well and all was good.
She had like a cut on her face and that was it. It's like no, no, no, no. Her physical recovery was extensive. Like I said, she was really squished down there. She was partially upside down.
Her leg was elevated. I think it's her right leg was elevated above her head for over 2 days causing a severe lack of blood flow >> and they she almost lost her leg.
Doctors initially feared that they would have to amputate her leg from just below the knee like mostly foot >> because the circulation was so bad that there had been some uh like gangrous start to the tissue.
>> Oh, like >> the tissue started breaking down with the blood flow.
>> Why can I never remember that [ __ ] word? Necri necro necrosis. necrosis necrotic.
>> I mean, yeah, it wasn't quite that bad.
It was just like >> there had been no circulation to her foot for two days.
>> Yeah.
>> So, she did end up losing a toe, but she was able but and they had to reconstruct her foot. She had over 15 surgeries and to save her leg, >> she was put in a hyperbaric chamber. And I had no clue what like hyperbaric therapy really does. So, I just looked it up really quick. According to John's Hopkins, who I'm pretty sure we can trust, quote, quote, "Hyperbaric oxygen therapy or HB HBOT, HBO, involves breathing 100% pure oxygen inside a pressurized chamber, typically at 1.5 to three times normal atmospheric pressure.
And I guess they change the pressure because that allows the oxygen, it forces the oxygen to dissolve directly into your blood plasma rather than relying solely on red blood cells to like process the oxygen.
>> Huh.
>> So this super saturates your tissues to accelerate healing, reduce swelling, and fight infections. And that's ultimately what gang green is. So it helped accelerate her healing process so they could save the leg. So they stuck her in a hyperbaric chamber for god knows how long.
>> Wow.
>> At least several hours to infuse that tissue so that they could save her leg.
>> Hasn't the girl been in enough chambers?
>> Dude, are you [ __ ] kidding me? You get out of a tiny chamber underground and they're like, I don't know how to tell you this, but >> we're going to stick in a chamber.
>> We got to put her in a metal chamber.
>> I hope that her mother was just holding her that entire time. I hope so, too.
So, over the years, Jessica underwent 15 surgeries related to the incident and still carries a big scar on her forehead where her head had been rubbing and pressed against the well casing for two [ __ ] days.
>> My god.
>> That's why her head was all cut up.
There's another picture of her parents holding her not long after she got out of the well, and she's got a big old gash >> covered by like a band-aid on her forehead.
>> That's awful.
>> Rubbed the skin away. It's been all cleaned up.
>> Okay. Her dad is real creepy looking, but she is >> I know. It's not >> very cute. It's not his fault. She's so cute.
>> The '8s was not a good time for adults.
We our glasses, our hair, it was just it was not >> It was a great time to be a baby. It was uh Yeah, it was not an easy time to be an adult person. No, >> that's tough stuff.
>> Being in your 30s in the 80s.
>> Oh, hell.
evidence of that.
>> No, no photos, please.
>> When interviewed about her experience in 2017, she doesn't remember obviously being in the well. She was barely a year old and she found out about it that >> she was a year and a half old.
>> Well, yeah. So, a year and a half is barely a year. You don't have memory.
You don't hold your memories from that time. So, she found out about it. Her family like showed her an episode of Rescue 911 when she was like six or something.
>> My favorite. I love that show.
>> Favorite show.
>> I know.
>> And she was like sobbing and they were like, "Yep, that was you. I know you don't remember any of this, but that that was you."
>> She was sobbing because she >> the story was so sad.
>> Oh, she was just crying because it was a sad story, not because she realized it was her.
>> I think she was moved by the story and then they were like, "Yeah, that that was you." And then she was like further like, "Wait, what the [ __ ] >> Fuck."
Um, but when interviewed about her experience in 2017, she said, quote, "In a way, I guess it happened the way it was supposed to. I was picked on because of it, but most people are kind and think what happened is an amazing miracle."
>> Picked on.
>> Well, yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Kids are mean.
>> I know.
>> Oh, your baby Jessica. Oh, don't fall in. We duh, we shouldn't be surprised by Of course this was going to happen. I'm not saying we would have done the picking, but like our generation would have done the same [ __ ] to this kid.
>> H Yeah, you don't want to be remembered publicly for anything. Too shy for Velcro. I'm so sorry, baby Jessica.
>> Yeah, are you kidding me?
>> Uh, she said, "I don't believe that any of it would have happened without God."
The incident had also had a profound impact on paramedic Robert O'Donnell, the one who does have collar bones but went down into the hole. He developed PTSD and struggled with the transition from sudden fame to obscurity postrescue. He actually died by suicide in 1995.
>> Oo, he was getting a lot of a lot of fame for this too.
>> Yeah. For being like >> he was a hero. The per yeah the hero from the Rowan Oak Times. Quote, "On Monday, April 24th, 1995, the body of the 37year-old man who rescued Jessica Mccclure in 1987 was found on his parents' ranch near Stanton. O'Donnell wrote a note and drove to a pasture where he apparently shot himself to death."
>> Um, ever uh, quote, "Ever since that Jessica deal, his life fell apart," his brother Ricky said Wednesday. Ricky O'Donnell said people had often asked his brother about the ordeal that began October 14th, 1987 when the 18-month-old child fell 22 feet down an abandoned well in her aunt's backyard in Midland.
Robert O'Donnell and others worked 58 hours to reach Jessica, who was finally rescued on October 16th. Television viewers turned in nationwide. O'Donnell was chosen to descend a newly drilled rescue shaft parallel to the well because of his slight frame. He went down once but decided the opening rescuers had dug under the girl was not wide enough to pull her out without risking a paralyzing injury. So he climbed back out and then came back down in the after they widened the shaft.
>> On the second try in the widened shaft, he smeared a lubricating jelly around the hole and tugged on Jessica's dangling left leg. He said he prayed and cursed. The girl told him no several times as he pulled.
>> Oh my god.
>> To me, she looked totally relieved.
O'Donnell said after the rescue, "I think she knew she was free." O'Donnell went on to actually portray a reporter in the made for TV movie Everybody's Baby.
>> Everybody's Baby >> about the rescue. His brother said he got divorced and quit the Midland Fire Department in 1992. Quote, "There's a deal that happens when people are in these real stressful situations."
Oddonnell said, "It's so hard for them to deal with this afterward.
>> He just never recovered from it." having to yank a toddler by the way.
>> Yeah.
>> through a hole like that.
>> I like barely even think of an 18month-old as a toddler. It's like they're still a I mean toddlers are babies, but it's just it's just like >> it's Yeah, June is a toddler, but she's the good leg.
>> Yanking the good leg and afraid you're going to paralyze >> paralyzing injury through a >> He doesn't know how twisted up she is.
>> No. through a lubricated rocky hole.
>> Oh my god. No, that would that would >> I think I'd have PTSD from that.
>> That would damage anyone with a a conscience.
>> Oh my god. Literally.
>> So, what became of Jessica?
Though she grew up mostly out of the spotlight despite her instant fame, the press always did keep up with her a bit.
Hence why People [ __ ] magazine is one of my main sources today because it had a ton of interviews with her.
Jessica met a man named Daniel Morales in 2005. That's how she ended up Mccclure Morales, not knowing how the two were vaguely connected through her traumatic rescue.
Quote, "Dany does remember sitting and watching it," says Jessica Mccclure Morales, the child who became known as Baby Jessica and later became Morales's wife. Oh, that's It gets weirder.
Jessica's story is featured on People, Icons, Heroes, and Survivors on Tuesday, March 14th at 10 p.m. East Eastern on ABC. Danny remembers his mom's reaction about it. Jessica, now 30, that was in 2017 when this was written. The Morales family was adds the Morales family was poor, but they were one of many families who donated to a trust fund as they watched the rescue unfold.
>> Cool. She went, the mom went and scouched every penny she could find to send it to me," Jessica says, adding that her future husband quote remembers sitting there with her as she held him tight, being thankful that she had them and that it wasn't one of her kids.
>> Seriously?
>> Yeah, I know. And then all like they didn't have very much money, but they wanted to give it to her fund.
>> Oh my god. And that was her future husband.
>> And that was her future husband. And it's so interesting because she the mom had also written a letter to to her and her family when they sent the money.
>> I am actually crying about this.
>> I know. And Jessica's family had like kept all of these things. So there's a letter from her future husband's mother somewhere in their stuff.
>> That is from that donation.
>> [ __ ] insane.
>> I know.
>> All of the people in the story are so pure.
>> I know. It's really sweet. It's really [ __ ] sweet.
>> Oh my god.
>> Um, yeah. Okay, so Danny, now 43, says the amount of money they sent wasn't much, but his mother made sure to send it along with a letter to the Mccclure family. In 2006, the couple were married and over the years they have welcomed two beautiful children and now a few grandchildren.
>> She said to people, >> all of whom are a miracle.
>> I know, right? just she shouldn't honestly like I know that this is [ __ ] up to say but like it is a she shouldn't be alive. It's amazing that she survived this >> and knowing more about it now more than like the joke of, "Oh, baby Jessica fell in a well." It's like, "Holy [ __ ] I can't." She I didn't know. I was I mean, we were just born.
>> Yeah.
>> Not even born yet cuz this was over the Oh, no. It was October. So, we I was literally like a month old when this happened.
>> And all of our parents are probably >> like, "Holy shit."
>> Viewing this as new parents.
>> We have to call our moms today and ask them about What was it like to have us in the same year learn about like watch what was going on with baby Jessica? I want to know. So Jessica said to people about her husband Danny, quote, "He was made specifically for me. The day they met, my breath went away and all I could see was the two of us together. I could see us having kids. I saw us old. My whole life with him flashed before my eyes. I instantly fell in love with him." Their wedding photos on the drive.
Oh, the fund. Danny is referring to in that interview was essentially GoFundMe before we had the internet. People from all over the country wanted to set send money.
>> This is to support the family.
>> Beautifully 90s wedding.
>> I know.
>> Oh, 2000 >> 2006.
>> Oh.
>> Mhm.
>> Well, I love her winter wear.
>> I know. We hadn't come that far.
So, people sent all this money and it was set up in a trust for her and it grew to reach about $1.2 $2 million. So, she gets access to this money when she turns 25, but much of the trust was lost to the 2008 financial crash.
>> Oh god.
>> Yeah, cuz it was like tied up. It was in like a >> It wasn't like a GoFundMe where it's just straight cash. I think it was in like a trust. It was like >> being invested, which I'm sure they the family thought this is the best option to make this grow before she can access it in, >> you know, x amount of years. And then the [ __ ] >> financial adviser tell you to do >> exactly. She did work as a special education teacher for a number of years before changing jobs. I found one uh job where she was working in a agriculture.
But the reason she made it into today's episode is because during a recent wine and crime happy hour, someone recommended 15 minutes of fame crimes and a coven member noted that the adult Jessica, formerly known as baby Jessica, had been arrested.
>> Oh no. And indeed, she was in April of this year, 2026. And we don't know a whole lot about it because this is an ongoing situation. And a trial date, if if it even goes to trial, has not been set. But here's what we do know.
>> Officers responded to a call about a domestic disturbance at her residence in Midland County, Texas on April 11th around 10 p.m., and she was taken into custody. According to arrest records >> from NBC Dallas Fort Worth, quote, "The 40-year-old was charged with assault causing bodily injury involving family violence."
>> She was later released from the Midland County Detention Center after posting bond. Officials have released limited information about the incident and an arrest affidavit was not yet available.
I tried to download arrest records and I couldn't find any. She posted bond shortly after and was released from the Midland County Detention Center and I have no updates at this time. like I said, even tried to access her arrest record, but was unsuccessful. So, this will be one to keep an eye on for sure.
I'm devastated at the thought that she may have done something, maybe harmed one of her children or members of her family.
>> This news is incredibly sad to hear about someone who has endured so much and seemed to carve out a quiet life for herself and like >> really love her family. And so, I'm I am interested to hear more because it's like I want to know what the hell happened in that house.
>> Yeah. that got her back in the spotlight now after all of these years for something that seems so opposite of the person that we got a glimpse of in 2017.
>> I mean, I guess that's just it. These the 15 minutes of fame. Same with Bahad Beahabi. It's like >> you put yourself out there. You >> had more like there's no other history of stuff that I could find. I literally looked up like was this the first time that Jessica baby quote unquote baby Jessica Morales, you know, had been arrested and it said it was like everything I found says this was it's her first arrest. Well, I guess what I'm saying is like, yeah, if to you and me sitting here that this behavior, alleged behavior or, you know, insinuated behavior seems out of character for baby Jessica. We don't we don't know this woman.
>> Yeah, >> she fell down she fell down a well as a baby and she was everyone's baby.
Um, but that but that is kind of like how I mean I guess the nature of fame is how it makes it makes us feel about these people who are sort of in effect characters.
>> I know that's part of why I want to know what happened cuz it's like was this a result of all of this trauma? Was this something totally different? Was this a total once off? Like I'm just really confused and curious about this arrest, which I know is like [ __ ] up and morbid on my part, but I'm like what?
>> It's just more of >> more of the public doing what the public does.
>> Yeah. I'm hoping >> being nosy.
>> Yeah. I'm being nosy. And at the end of the day, I'm hoping the best for her family. I'm hoping that justice is served should it need to be >> and that this gets resolved and that everyone gets to live like a safe life, you know, cuz that's ideally what you want. I want her to have a safe life. I want her family to have a safe life. But I didn't know just how intense the baby Jessica rescue and the baby Jessica of it all was until I was covering this and I was like, >> "Holy [ __ ] it is >> a lot. That poor baby."
>> So that's baby Jessica, something from 1987.
Anyway, thank you, Wine Coven. This was really interesting and really fun to research and I learned so much about baby Jessica and Bahad behabi.
>> Bahad behabi. Jeez. Yeah. No, this was fun. This was good.
>> I just don't think anyone really wants 15 minutes of fame. I think the level of quote unquote fame we have is plenty.
It's just enough. Every once in a while we get recognized and people cheer for us when we go on stage for our specific events. That's plenty. I don't even >> We're not over here throwing our apple juice at Iggy Aelia over Instagram comments.
>> Sure aren't. So, >> and God bless.
>> Special thanks to us.
>> Yeah. Come see us on Uncorked.
>> Come see us on Uncorked.
>> Hear the [ __ ] without all the ads.
>> Yeah. Come see us on our tour in We're going to be in Seattle and we're going to be in Portland and we're going to be in Los Angeles. Head to our websitepodcast.com to find out more about that.
>> Yeah.
>> And uh we're excited to come see you and for you to cheer for us so that we can get just the exact amount of fame that we want without losing our minds and getting arrested.
>> I love it.
>> All right. Well, we'll see you next week then.
>> Yep. Cheers. See you next week.
>> Bye-bye.
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