Handsome Truth Debates Jay Dyer on Interracial Marriage

[00:00:00]When it comes to morality, we are so indoctrinated into this harm uh paradigm where it's like it's if it causes harm, it's immoral. And then people do these mental gymnastics where they say like, "Oh, well, if I knew I was living in a a community where two people were committing incest, that would like cause me stress. Therefore, it's immoral to do that." that and it's like when you start saying anything somebody else doesn't like is immoral. That's like that's a pretty wide net. You're going to catch a lot of things in that. I had Jay Dyer and Handsome Truth pulled up cuz somebody sent this to me and they wanted me to watch it and I'm assuming Jay Dyer looks smarter than Handsome Truth. No offense to H. Well, whatever.

[00:00:48]Let's just watch it. I'm kind of like I don't I don't want to like get hung up on Jay Dyer. I'm like, I'm over it, but this is just content. Whatever. Let's check it out.

[00:01:00]>> Hey, I got a simple quot two two questions really easy. Is can you be pro-white and race as a Christian or is that an oxymoron by the Orthodox standard?

[00:01:11]>> I don't know what racism even means. So, to me, it seems like it's inconsistent.

[00:01:16]And I think all if you look at the Russian church's recent statement, everybody should be supportive of their people and their people group. So I don't buy that there is a >> I don't buy that there is a sin of racism >> based based somebody else I saw somebody posted that on Twitter. There's like some the Russian Orthodox Church put out a statement that to paraphrase was basically in support of nationalism and obviously explicitly understanding that nation means race as well.

[00:01:54]>> Okay. Well, like I've seen pictures of like um Russian Orthodox where if I was a pro-white person and one of the priests was marrying a white man to a black woman, I would go, "That's disgusting." But the church can't really object, can they?

[00:02:11]>> On what basis is it disgusting?

[00:02:13]>> Uh race mix is Jewish.

[00:02:16]>> Well, how is it Jewish if you mean like rabbitic Judaism? Because they don't race mix. Or do you mean that it's Jewish in the sense of a disgenics operation or something?

[00:02:25]>> Well, clerky plan, misogynation, it's all kind of like pushed through the the Jewish media.

[00:02:31]>> But okay, but on what basis is it wrong?

[00:02:33]>> Well, I mean, if you're saying Excuse me.

[00:02:37]>> Started off strong from Jay and now getting a little cringe.

[00:02:43][laughter] started off strong but then turned into you know [clears throat] I mean look this is subjective and some people won't agree with it but saying like what's disgusting about race mixing is not any different than saying like what's disgusting about incest or necroilia or you know you could even well well you get the idea having said that like even Corey wouldn't um doesn't think that face mixing is inherently sinful. That's really more the state that should have laws against that, you know, then [snorts] and then the church can just say, "Well, that's the law. Sorry. I'd love to help you." Anyway, that's how it used to be in America.

[00:03:29]>> If you're saying that um that I'm like if I it's okay to love my people, well, I don't want my people to disappear and they would disappear if they continued mixing their genes.

[00:03:40]>> Yeah. But what I'm saying is if there is is there a moral reason why because there's not always a black and white situation of like right and wrong right there might be some situations where through economia uh I mean you know kings and queens have offered their their children to other kings and other queens in history as part of alliances and deals and stuff like that which could conceivably violate this principle. So, what I'm asking is in your world view, is there a moral wrong or is it just a biological wrong?

[00:04:12]>> I'd say it's both because [clears throat] we have I don't know where you guys are at with science, if you guys believe in science, but like [laughter] if you got 80 IQ blacks, >> I don't know if uh you Christian guys believe in science >> mixing with, you know, average of 105 whites and then they can't do like they can't donate organs because of this.

[00:04:33]There's like scientific proof that it's like it goes against nature and I see nothing but like the church like they can't condemn any of that stuff. Like you could have a black person go >> I I will say like we were again I'm not trying to harp on Jay Dyer but we were talking yesterday when we were talking about him and kind of like there was like this speculation of like does he run from race issues? You know Mr. Bliss chilling had said he might not want to talk to Corey because Cory has such a bad reputation that it could be used against him. Um, but here he is talking to HT. Although, of course, this is a less formal, this is a call-in. I I assume HT called in, but what I'm trying to say is he's not like shutting down the conversation to his credit.

[00:05:19]>> Marry a white person in your church and if you spoke up, you'd probably be kicked out of the church, right? Well, but what I said was there might be situations where that's allowed, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it ought to be always done. So, it seems like there's a false equivalence between something that might be done or tolerated versus something that ought to always be done, which is a weaponized way to replace people.

[00:05:42]>> Are can you speak out do you speak out against that in your church?

[00:05:47]>> Uh, well, it depends on exactly what you mean. Like I said, like I could speak out against the replacement of my people group uh and I could have my own opinions about it, but what I want to know is like morally do you're saying it's morally wrong and I'm asking like on what basis morally >> I don't like I don't think the Orthodox church would kick you out for being against race mixing. Um, if you're like yelling it about it in the lobby of the church or something like that might be a that might be a situation where you get a talking to, right? But they they probably aren't like I don't I think they're pretty free speechy just when I like when it comes to what you're allowed to believe as a member. As you know, as somebody else pointed out, I think Bliss Chilling was saying this yesterday or somebody was saying like there the Orthodox took Chud the Builder when basically nobody else would.

[00:06:42]>> Uh well, I think if you look at like uh like just like take America for example, >> race mixing was illegal. uh at one point in this country and they didn't view blacks as on our level. They viewed them as savages.

[00:06:59]>> So what I'm asking is how does that relate to it being morally wrong? The fact that something existed in American history?

[00:07:06]>> Well, I mean if your daughter wanted to date a chimpanzee, would it be morally wrong?

[00:07:12]>> Well, that's a fallacy because that's a that's not a human being. So I'm asking you on what basis do you say so are you going to say that black >> arrest my case your honor >> don't have they're not persons >> yeah there's like ghost DNA that show that they don't like line up with Asians uh Europeans >> okay so what is the what is the IQ uh genetic cut off for who is and who isn't a human is it 81 85 >> so so would you say would you say a [ __ ] so would you say a ret like a like a [ __ ] person isn't a human being Yeah, I would say that like well a dangerous undeveloped frontal cortex of black people. This is why we have all these criminal elements in America like 70% of violent crimes by 15%. And that's not just a socioeconomic thing. That's in Europe. That's >> okay. So what is the cuto off for who a human being is? What IQ level?

[00:08:04]>> Um no that's a good question. I would just say like what what are the fruits of like I guess we've done >> so it's subjective. So you don't have an actual position on what a human being is?

[00:08:16]>> Some somewhat. I mean, if if you if you're practicing cannibalism in Africa and your people haven't built anything.

[00:08:25]>> Okay. So you so you've listed a bunch of civilizational things, but how does that tell me ontolog how much is it where it's close enough? Well, Jay is saying that he's not, you know, he's not um diametrically opposed to race mixing the or he's saying at least that the the Christian religion and Christian morality isn't, which is true as far as I as far as I know other than the law that is written on my heart. I couldn't find anything in the Bible. I tried. I went all through the Bible.

[00:09:01][laughter] ically who is and isn't a human being.

[00:09:03]>> Well, I would say based on civilization, they haven't built a civilization.

[00:09:07]>> No, I'm saying those are >> HD sounds like a cook. Not he sounds like a racist guy who just wanted to call in to drop a bunch of factoids on the audience basically. That's why he's like bringing up IQ's and crime stats and ghost homminid DNA and and this and that. He's just he's just kind of like dropping little nuggets for I I think for people who would be listening to this who maybe wouldn't know >> civilization >> but yeah he's not on Jay Dyer's level and he's not really prepared for the kind of philosophical a philosophical argument about race mixing is actually pretty difficult.

[00:09:46]It's pretty hard to argue against. So that's why I'm good with just it's disgusting. I'm good with that personally.

[00:09:53]>> Critiques. I know what you're saying.

[00:09:55]I'm well aware. I've read all this stuff since 2007. I know who Hansink is. I've read all this. I know about genetics. I know about >> because and that that was the point I was making earlier is that it is also difficult to make an oral argument against things like incest and necroilia, right? People love to say, well, you know, deformities and disease and birth defect and all that, but but you know, it's like, okay, well, assume that's not part of it. like like let's say incest after a vasectomy. Well, how is now? How is it immoral? And it's actually harder than you might think to make that argument. And basically, if you can make an argument against that, you can probably make an argument against against incest, but it's harder than you think. I to me I go to natural law and I just I just say like this is obviously like it's sort you know it's kind of a copout but it's just sort of like self-evidently like these this is not the correct intended purpose of the essence of these things. The siblings for example have a an essence of what they're supposed to be and that doesn't involve having sex with each other. And then I would say the same thing for different races.

[00:11:09]>> Eugenics. I know about disgenics. I know about race theory. I know.

[00:11:13]>> And the problem is the baby is gonna be >> it's a matto >> all this stuff. I know about haplo groups. I know all this stuff. So what I'm asking you is can you tell me what defines is it objectively morally wrong in all cases and what is the IQ cut off?

[00:11:29]I wonder what what Jay's argument against nonprocreative incest is. I bet he has one. I just not I just wonder what it is. I like I bet he has like a better theological. I I would ask him, but I'm blocked [laughter] >> for he who is and isn't a human.

[00:11:46]>> Cory has written out a whole thing about misogynation on his website, but he concludes that it is not strictly a sin.

[00:11:55]It's not He says it's not strictly sinful. Um, I would say that we'd have to go like up to 90. And yet [laughter] it's morally wrong and it's scient. It's scientific.

[00:12:06]>> Okay. So, people down syndrome, they're not human beings.

[00:12:09]>> Um, yeah. I mean, they technically are, but they're retards. And >> what racism without God does to you.

[00:12:15]>> I mean, there's probably a lot of Christian racists who haven't thought about this stuff very diffic.

[00:12:21]It's most people aren't really racking their brains on these topics, honestly.

[00:12:26]Um but because people when it comes to morality we are so indoctrinated into this harm uh paradigm where it's like it's if it causes harm it's immoral and then people do these mental gymnastics where they say like oh well if I knew I was living in a a community where two people were committing incest that would like cause me stress therefore it's immoral to do that. And it's like, yeah, that's true, but also you could say that about literally anything you don't like.

[00:13:01]Like that's a very broad that's a very wide net you're f you're throwing when you're saying if when you start saying anything somebody else doesn't like is immoral. That's like that's a pretty wide net. You're going to catch a lot of things in that.

[00:13:17]>> I don't think you should reproduce.

[00:13:18]>> Okay. So now it's Well, but you said that the black people aren't if it's under 90. So, and how do you know that it's 90?

[00:13:24]>> And if you argue that morality is like a social contract, then it's that's like highly subjective at that point. That's like we can all just agree to do it and then it isn't immoral.

[00:13:35]>> Isn't that just arbitrary?

[00:13:37]>> Um I think that's what what the standard was in America like that was considered my >> so I can just appeal to America.

[00:13:43]>> It's like it's self-evident.

[00:13:45]>> It's it's natural law. It's the it's it's the it's unnatural in that in that sense in the philosophical sense.

[00:13:55]>> Okay. So, can I just appeal to American standards right now? Would you buy that as an argument?

[00:14:00]>> A piece of evidence that it's unnatural is that it's fetishized so much.

[00:14:04]Everything that is fetishized is essentially unnatural. Not normal things. Well, I no I was going to say that, but then I remembered people fetishize like pregnancy and [ __ ] Okay.

[00:14:15]Some normal things do get fetishized, but mostly they're not normal.

[00:14:20]>> Um, let's do it for Europeans across the >> vast majority are not normal.

[00:14:25]>> Not just Americans.

[00:14:26]>> You appeal to what America did at some point in the past. And you don't understand philosophically why that would be a problem logically >> because sexual behavior that is pathological is damaging to the mind and people around you.

[00:14:41]Yeah, I think a lot more people will accept that for incest though than they will for misogynation. But thank you.

[00:14:50]>> Can I ask you a question?

[00:14:51]>> So now you're not going to answer my challenge.

[00:14:53]>> No, I I just answered like four questions in a row. No. Can I just >> Well, I answered your question and now now that we're at the point of the debate where there's a problem, you don't want to answer it. So why can't I just can I just appeal to America's standards right now?

[00:15:05]>> Pardon? Say that one. Can I appeal to America's standards right now if you can arbitrarily appeal to American standards at some point in the past? That's why it's a bad argument.

[00:15:13]>> I think I think what I'm asking you is >> Okay. So, you're not going to answer the questions. So, so he's not going to answer the challenge. So, people think that they have these really solid arguments, these really cool awesome positions.

[00:15:25]>> Yeah. Uh yeah. No, HT doesn't have like solid arguments. Um, but what HT should just say if he's trying to get Jay Dyer, which is that is it does come across that he it's HT he wants to show that Christians are cucked. So, he wants to get uh Jay to say something cucked. So, and what he So, what he should do is say, and I don't know how Jay would answer, but this would be uh this would be about the best you could do to try to get him is just say, "If it were up to you, Jay, would you make it illegal?" Do do you think we should reinstate that law or no? What is your personal preference? And I don't know what Jay Dyer would say to that, but if he says no, then you got him, so to speak. And then when you actually start drilling into it, it's just arbitrary. It's it's uh well, America did this in the past.

[00:16:20]So like I need a logical argument, a consistent philosophical argument as to why I'm supposed to follow America at that point in the past. I don't need you to just appeal to an arbitrary IQ level.

[00:16:34]I mean, you're laughing, but you're not giving good arguments. You're just giving assertion. Do you know the difference between an assertion and an argument?

[00:16:41]Do >> you know the difference between an assertion and an argument?

[00:16:45]>> I'm sorry you got cut off. I was asking you about if you had a white daughter, would you let >> Do you know the difference between an assertion and an argument?

[00:16:51]>> No. Did was he muted or something?

[00:16:53]>> I Well, Jay, >> so you're not going to deal with the actual argument. You want to go back.

[00:16:58]So, you're looking for you're looking for a clip.

[00:17:00]>> Can you be Christlike and and go back and forth with me politely? I mean, this is acting >> Christlike. [laughter] I HD I think HD is funny the way he makes fun of Christians honestly.

[00:17:11]>> No, that's called debating, right?

[00:17:13]>> It is. It's cringe also, but it's kind of funny sometimes.

[00:17:18]>> I get to ask a question back.

[00:17:19]>> No, you not until we finished the topic.

[00:17:22]So, you made >> he does it not like he does it in a friendly way for the most part.

[00:17:26]>> You No, you didn't. You made arguments that were arbitrary.

[00:17:29]>> This is recorded.

[00:17:30]>> They were arbitrary. Why am I supposed to follow argument? Why am I supposed to follow the American position from XYZ point in history?

[00:17:37]>> I'm asking you to follow.

[00:17:38]>> So you're not gonna answer that challenge?

[00:17:40]>> Are you not gonna answer that challenge?

[00:17:42]>> Out philosophy Jay Dyer in this way or if you do you need to think a lot harder than what HT did. But but again he could just say like would you would you make it illegal? And if Jay says no that now you can say see this is what Christians think. ask her.

[00:18:00]I want you to answer from a Christian perspective.

[00:18:02]>> Or Jay says yes and then you just say based and then you you leave it at that.

[00:18:07]>> I'm giving you the Christian perspective which is an internal you don't have an ethic. You have no objective moral ethic.

[00:18:13]>> So you don't want to answer this question because you would want >> it's based on the way Jay is arguing it sort of seems like he's leaning no. But I can't it's hard to say because morality and law are not the same thing.

[00:18:28]or marry a black Christian.

[00:18:29]>> Are you going to answer the challenge before we go to that?

[00:18:32]>> Sure. What's the question?

[00:18:34]>> Why should I follow American state positions on this at a certain point in the past as an argument that you gave?

[00:18:42]>> You know, an answer you could give to the question is because America was better back because because if you look at 1950s America, everything was better is is a potential answer. It's not necessarily like a um ironclad philosophical argument, but it is a it is true. It's true. So that helps.

[00:19:03]>> If I can just say to you, no, we should follow America's positions right now.

[00:19:07]>> And you could also appeal to him in the sense that it was America was more Christian when so so in in a sense those standards are more Christian because the country was more Christian and and that's the standards that it had. You could also say that >> it's an arbitrary argument.

[00:19:25]>> Well, you're you can follow whatever you'd like.

[00:19:27]>> All right. So, you're not that you don't understand why Can you restate what my argument is? I don't even think you understand the argument.

[00:19:32]>> It's a giant word salad.

[00:19:34]>> Word salad. It's arbitrary. It's a fallacy. It's not word salad. I'm saying your argument is arbitrary.

[00:19:40]>> What you're doing right now. This is a kite slave fallacy.

[00:19:43]>> So, that's all you have is that homonym.

[00:19:45]So, you you act like a piece of [ __ ] automatically so that we won't continue this conversation. So, you do that to get booted because you don't have an answer.

[00:19:53]>> Okay. Yeah. Yep. [snorts] That went about how I expected. And then, Brother Nathaniel, [laughter] this is the last thing and then I'm out of here. Brother Nathaniel was like, what? He he posts this. He says, "Jay Dyer hits on teen girl." And then Dasha says, "I'm only 35, you sick [ __ ] Jay Dyer." And then brother Nathaniel goes, "Dasha, I was a straight commission salesman, 100k award star annually for 25 years. I can read a person like a book. Dire is joyless.

[00:20:28]This is not orthodox. I read your eyes on interview. I see a deepseated depression. Then sudden light appears.

[00:20:38]DM me. I'll divine it for you." I wonder if she DM'd. And then he said, "I'll outrize dire every sec." Yeah. Okay. All right. I don't know about that one, but [snorts] still entertaining. Still got it.

[00:20:56]Meanwhile, that Nick Fuentes talks about Laura Loomer for an hour and makes $10,000. [laughter] Whatever. He's irrelevant.

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