"You Need To Answer This Question To Have This Conversation"...*Anti-Choice Caller Hangs Up*

Added: 2026-05-22

[00:00:00]Hey everybody, welcome to my channel. My name is Promise Backland. One of the cool things I get to do is host over on a channel called The Line where we take live callers. The clip you're about to watch is from one of those episodes. If you're interested in more content like this, you can head over to the link in the description and check out their channel. Thanks for watching. Hey Caleb, you are live on Shoe Gum with Alyssa and Promise. What did you want to talk with us about tonight?

[00:00:25]Well, my question was and so I think I already know where you guys stand on this issue. So I'm a Christian. I am a conservative um pretty much the things that you guys um don't stand for, but uh what's your guys' position on the pro-life, pro-choice issue?

[00:00:45]You mean on abortion?

[00:00:46]>> Pro-choice.

[00:00:49]Yeah.

[00:00:50]Yeah, I I'm I'm pro-choice. As far If we're talking about the legality of it, um I'm 100% pro-choice.

[00:01:00]Agreed. And why do you why do you think that?

[00:01:04]Because I don't think that uh we should ever be able to hinder someone's bodily autonomy like that. So for example, if Alyssa needs um a kidney and she is going to die if she doesn't get my kidney specifically, I don't care. You can what Not that I don't care. I'd give Alyssa my kidney.

[00:01:26]But I'm saying you cannot legally force me to do that. You cannot legally force me to do something with my body. So you cannot legally force me to donate my blood, to donate my kidney, nor my uterus.

[00:01:39]Um that's in a nutshell, that's my the basis for why I feel that way.

[00:01:46]Yeah, and there are people have abortions for a variety of reasons that are no one's business.

[00:01:52]Um and once we start believing that it is our business, that's that's a precedent for for other health concerns being something that the government gets involved in. I personally am fine with people having abortions for whatever reason. If the reason is I just don't want to have a child, then that's the reason. Period, end of story.

[00:02:19]And beyond that, I don't there's no I don't think there needs to be a reason that is anybody's business except for the person who's going to have to carry that child to term and figure out a plan after.

[00:02:31]Being Being pregnant is really expensive. It's really dangerous. Um if you don't have access to good health care, which many people in this country do not, that's going to be a problem. I also don't think that the um like foster care system and adoption system in this country is very kind to the children in it. So, I think it just we need to be providing people options.

[00:03:01]And and uh eliminating abortion, making making abortions illegal, does not reduce the amount of abortions that happen.

[00:03:12]And that's a fact. We know that. It does not reduce the amount of abortions that happen. They still happen. They're just not happening safely, which means the mother is at risk and the potential child is at risk. So, why not keep them a legal option and provide people sex education so they know how to not get pregnant to begin with.

[00:03:38]Because uh that's another thing too that's interesting about this whole situation is the states that have the highest rate of teenage unwanted pregnancy are also the states that teach abstinence-only education. We know abstinence-only doesn't work. So, teach teach kids in their teenage years how to have safe, protected sex because those kids end up having less partners, they end up having sex later in life, and they will have a obviously drastically reduced chance of getting pregnant, having an unwanted pregnancy.

[00:04:13]So, that would that would help solve the issue, too.

[00:04:18]Okay, but what if the And I know this is something that surely comes up whenever these debates are held is like whenever people are discussing this topic. What if the infant alive inside the womb developing?

[00:04:32]The The The So, where a where a fetus is considered to be a like live and sentient thing is something that people are going to debate over and over again, but it's like >> we trust science and and the regulations that we put around that. So, Yeah. And over 90 I It's either 93 or 98% of the abortions that happen are not these late-term abortions, and the ones that are late-term is because there's a significant risk.

[00:05:09]So, that's not really a situation that happens. [clears throat] It's a clump When when when the vast majority, and I mean over 90%, of the people who have abortions have them, these um these are clumps of cells. They're not sentient.

[00:05:32]You use words like um clumps of cells.

[00:05:34]So, when do you think it becomes human?

[00:05:36]I know you said that like that's up for debate, but what's your personal opinion on that?

[00:05:40]I I That's my personal opinion that I get to decide between me, myself, my my my whoever I'd would making that decision with. Um, I it's not my job to judge other people for them figuring out what that means for them. It's It's my job to figure out what I think should be legal or not, and then vote accordingly.

[00:06:00]I don't think we should be able to ban women from having bodily autonomy. I think that is wrong. Um, and I I think that regulations based off of what doctors have studied and all of that are great. But, what we already know is that women want abortions like somebody having to get an amputation due to cancer wants an amputation. Women are not out there like, "Ah, I just want to go get an abortion." These are These are decisions that are taken very seriously, and almost always when it's later on, uh, it's for medical reasons. And it's a really difficult decision. It's something that a lot of doctors are involved in, and I can guarantee you that no one is excited about anything happening in that situation. So, I'm not going to sit back and be self-righteous and say, "I'm going to ban somebody from having that happen, and now they have to give birth to, uh, uh, a fetus that's going to end up dying slowly and painfully right after they give birth to it." So, that's not for me to figure out. That's for doctors and uh, their patients to figure out together. My The bottom line is I do not believe we should ban women from bodily autonomy.

[00:07:13]Okay, so you mentioned, um, analogies like cancer or whatever. But, unlike cancer and stuff like that, which appear, you know, of course, you didn't make that happen. You don't want that to happen. It's a terrible thing.

[00:07:28]You are the one who causes yourself to have the baby in the first place.

[00:07:34]And so, unlike a cancer, it's something that you caused.

[00:07:38]Well, so, Kayla, how would you feel Sex is not consent to a pregnancy and to having a child. Also, I have had a medical abortion because I had an ectopic pregnancy and I was trying to get pregnant and I still had to have that medical abortion because I would have died if I didn't have it.

[00:07:59]So the reasons behind it, that's what I'm saying. It's not my business. I don't need to know. I don't need to be in the room with every woman and her doctor in order for me to decide that I think they should have the right to have that conversation and figure that out for themselves.

[00:08:15]Caleb, what is your opinion on mandatory vasectomies if we can guarantee that they are reversible?

[00:08:23]Mandatory vasectomies when a um a man is sexually active.

[00:08:37]What's my opinion on that?

[00:08:39]Yeah. So like if if we could roll out a law that says, "Okay, at the age of let's say um I mean it depends on what state you're in. If you're in a state that is anti-abortion and anti-sex education, could be as young as 13. Mandatory um vasectomies for all boys 13 for at when they turn 13 and then they will be reversed when they are ready to have children."

[00:09:10]Okay, well I don't think it's very necessary.

[00:09:13]Why is that not necessary?

[00:09:18]I mean I don't really know. I don't really look into this stuff that that much, but um So So the reason that I brought that up, Caleb, and the reason that I I think it's important for you to think about is because the experience you're having right now of when you're 13 years old, you're going to have a mandatory medical procedure that you have no say in is your bodily autonomy, which is the right for you to make decisions about your own body being stripped from you.

[00:09:48]And that would actually be preventative.

[00:09:51]Then we don't actually have to worry about any embryos ever getting implanted unless they were they wanted to be implanted.

[00:09:59]>> man couldn't impregnate multiple women in one day versus a woman who can get pregnant like once a year. So that would solve way more problems. It would be a big solve.

[00:10:08]>> All abortions are caused by sperm coming out of somebody that has not had a vasectomy. So a vasectomy would cure all abortions.

[00:10:19]Vasectomies are also out patient procedures. They're often very uh they're very often covered by insurance. You get a little pain management and you're good in 2 days.

[00:10:30]When people have abortions, sometimes it could take weeks before you're able to return to work and go back to your normal everyday schedule. And um so it would it would seem like actually the vasectomies would be a much more cost-effective um and generally effective program. So why can't we why can't we do that?

[00:10:58]Does this thing exist that you were talking about?

[00:11:01]Yeah, vasectomies do exist and they are reversible.

[00:11:03]>> Vasectomy is very much exist, yes.

[00:11:07]Okay. Well, I mean in that case I don't really know my opinion on that, but my main point was that you're in a situation where you do have a baby. If it's alive, then it should be treated as a life is my main point.

[00:11:18]I'm not talking about that. I don't understand that there can be precautions that are taken.

[00:11:21]>> on where where life begins. And that's where a lot of this debate comes from.

[00:11:28]What my point is it's not your business why other people choose to have abortions because bodily autonomy is important.

[00:11:37]My choice to do what I want to do with my body is not your business. Like if I tell you right now, Caleb, I have to Um I have to go poop right now. Um can I do that?

[00:11:52]Can I do that? Is that okay with you?

[00:11:53]Why would I have to share that with you?

[00:11:54]That's something that I need to do with my own body. It's not your business.

[00:12:00]What I'm saying is what if it's it's not your body?

[00:12:02]It's not just your body. It's it's another body, too.

[00:12:06]That you are supporting.

[00:12:07]>> again, back to my example. Should I be legally required to donate my organ to Alyssa? If I don't, she's going to die.

[00:12:14]Should I be legally required to do that?

[00:12:18]If I mean, what I'm saying is >> whole 'nother life. She's a whole 'nother life. She's a whole 'nother life. Okay, let's say Alyssa is my child. Let's say I'm old enough that she is my child. And Alyssa needs my kidney.

[00:12:32]And should I be legally required to give her my kidney?

[00:12:37]I mean, it depends on how much you care about your own kid, which typically parents >> a yes or no. Should I be legally required? Should we start making it a legal requirement that parents donate their organs to their children in order to keep their children alive, even if there's a risk that the parent might die during that operation? Should we legally require them to do that?

[00:12:58]Oh, no. We're talking about some hypothetical that isn't even going to happen. What I'm saying But this is Caleb. This is Caleb. If you want to have this conversation, you have to answer this question. We've left you off the hook so many times throughout this conversation.

[00:13:10]You don't even know what a vasectomy is, and you're trying to tell women what to do with their bodies. I need you to answer this >> I do know what that is. I was saying reversible one.

[00:13:17]Should Yes, that's important to know about vasectomies if you're going to know what a vasectomy is. But should a should a parent be legally required to donate their organs to their child if their child is in need.

[00:13:31]>> Okay.

[00:13:33]Okay, may I answer that? If you care about your child, of course the answer would be yes. I guess yes.

[00:13:37]>> no, no, no. I'm not asking about should I should I want to do that. I'm asking should the government require me to do that?

[00:13:52]Did he just drop?

[00:13:54]He dropped.

[00:13:55]>> Maybe.

[00:13:57]He hung up. Hey, thanks so much for watching and don't forget to like, subscribe, comment, all the things. If you want to see more calls like this, you can also head to the link in the description and head over to The Line's channel. Thanks so much.