America: Closed for the Summer | DeProgram with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas

Hinzugefügt: 2026-05-31

[00:00:03][music] And good morning. Thanks for tuning in to the program with Ted R and Jamal Thomas. It is Thursday, May 20th, 28th, 2026. Don't want to give short shrift to the 28th. Thank you so much for joining us. Please like, follow, and share the show. We are here Monday through Friday breaking down everything, all the news that matters, 9:00 a.m. to 10:00 a.m.

[00:00:33]Eastern. Um, just FYI, major tech glitches on the TMI front. That's not going to affect Drogram, but TMI is like um basically screwed the pooch and we're not going to be able to do it today. I'm not even sure if we'll be able to do it tomorrow due to Rumble Studio glitches, but uh we'll work on that on our own time, not on yours. Uh JT, good to see you. Lots of news to report um as always. So the top story uh is probably well it's hard to say it's a tie between the Middle East and the Trump administration's threat to basically cut off major parts of the United States to foreign tourism uh basically because they're angry that the cities where uh these people are flying into are protesting ICE. It's very very strange.

[00:01:17]We'll get you into that. Lots of stuff going on in the Middle East. Just as we went on the air about 20 minutes before, we got a report that Iran had launched a ballistic missile at a US military base in Kuwait. That was in retaliation for an American attack on Iranian facilities. Uh that comes over a 24-h hour period during which Trump warned Oman, which is a staunch US ally going back 200 years, that it might blow them, he might blow them up if they join Iran in any kind of uh regulation or toll uh across the street of Ormuz. Um the Lebanese are settling in for a long war against the Israelis who are determined not to stop this. oil prices are rising again uh given the fact that uh we have an exchange of strikes and there doesn't seem to be a peace deal coming coming in anytime soon. And finally, Eugene Carol uh the 82year-old uh magazine writer who successfully sued Trump for defamation not once but twice um and won $83 million $88.3 million in in civil judgments against him. uh basically um is now being targeted by the department of a highly weaponized department of justice going after her.

[00:02:39]So lots to deal with. I know you like the Middle East. I mean, you know, we should probably do that first. Yeah.

[00:02:46]>> Yeah.

[00:02:46]>> Okay.

[00:02:47]>> Okay. I'm sorry. The Asian Carl thing was outrageous.

[00:02:51]>> I do like the Middle East first, but can we talk about that one first? This may be a Tim and I um conversation, but still.

[00:02:57]>> Okay, let's do it. it. That case is effing outrageous.

[00:03:03]83 like [clears throat] for one, this is something that took place decades ago.

[00:03:11]B, there is no evidence for it short of her saying he did this. Meaning Trump is a pervert. At least my thoughts. Trump may even be a pedophile. Fair enough.

[00:03:23]But proving it in a court of law are different things. And I know this is not in relation to her, but I'm saying just because he's not a great human being >> that this idea in a court of law, she's like, "Well, he touched me inappropriately." Okay. Well, what evidence do you have? Do you have video evidence? No. Do you have any, you know, test? Like, do you have anything that can defisively point out that he did this? The answer is no. And so, it's her word against his. and she walks up with $80 million or whatever that number is.

[00:03:57]>> Closer to 90.

[00:03:59]>> That's outrageous. That's outrageous.

[00:04:02]And and mind you, I don't even like Trump. If Trump would have got shot at that um White House correspondent's dinner, there would be no tears on this um show. If anything, I would say >> got a little bit brighter the moment that his head hit the ground and he shut himself.

[00:04:18]>> Yeah.

[00:04:18]>> And I'm still saying it's outrageous.

[00:04:20]Well, give me your take on this because I think that they gave him this verdict just because it's Trump, not because it was a legal thing. It was almost like a a reverse jury nullification.

[00:04:29]>> Well, I do think we need to um sort of remind people who may not remember all the details of the Eugene Carol case.

[00:04:37]What happened, right? So Eugene Carol was a high-profile newspaper columnist um in the 90s and she she knew Donald Trump from partying in New York. She ran into him on the street. She mentioned that she was going to Lord and Taylor, which is a fancy department store on Fifth Avenue. Uh he decided to tag along because, you know, that's normal. Um he [laughter] she they and they both wound up by all accounts they both wound up in the dressing room um having sex. Um the the uh she apparently contemporaneously claimed that uh that Donald had done so aggressively uh against her will.

[00:05:20]Basically was she was okay with making out but things went further than she wanted and that he forced himself upon her. But he didn't do she didn't do anything about it or report it to the police at the time. Um the many years pass the me too movement uh is is becomes a big thing and then she decides to file um a lawsuit a civil claim for you know under under New York's new law which opened a window for one year for uh eliminating the statute of limitations on these old cases. Um he says she's a lying sack of [ __ ] She su she's like she sues him for basically defaming her as a liar. Um she is the uh the judge who clearly doesn't like Trump um is in it agrees with her rules in her favor and then he doubles down and says no she's really still a lying sack of [ __ ] and so that ver the judge is really mad this time same judge and decides to uh hit him with the bigger of the two of the two verdicts. Um, it's just as you said, I mean, like there's no question that there was some consent. It's kind of a classic me too case, right? It's sort of like, well, you know, like I I consented partially but not completely.

[00:06:35]And then also there's this long passage of time thing. There's the whole he said, she said thing with where there's no sense of uh, you know, there's no there's no ev no evidence is really possible, right? And all so many years have gone by and who would who would be able to know anything, right? Um, all I can say, by the way, parathetically, is I know someone who knows Eugene Carol and swears that she's a very credible, serious human being and who would not have lied about this. Okay. I don't really >> But I don't know. Okay.

[00:07:04]>> Carol, a Democrat.

[00:07:06]>> Oh, of course she is. Yeah. Um, yeah.

[00:07:09]>> I mean, I guess that's my point, right?

[00:07:10]Like, right. I mean, >> so the two >> So was Donald at the time.

[00:07:17]>> Well, yes, he was. Yes, he was. True. I mean, he was at Clinton's wedding.

[00:07:21]>> Yeah.

[00:07:22]>> True.

[00:07:22]>> Yeah.

[00:07:23]>> But he's not now.

[00:07:24]>> No. So, the point is like so, so but like all that said, like as a dude that it terrifies me that you could be that you could be nailed. Um, and I think also for our foreign viewers, it's important to distinguish between civil claims and uh the standard of evidence in American courts between civil and criminal court cases. In a criminal case, um, you need to the prosecutor has to prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt, which sort of roughly literally means law students are told the juror juries have the juror has to be at least 90% sure that it happened. Um, the uh in a civil claim, which is what this is, um, it's based on the preponderance of the evidence, which means that 50% or so or more, you should kind of be sure that it happened. So the standard is much lower in the case that she won. But it is I mean look I I generally agree with what you said. Um it wasn't and the the verdict is crazy, right? I mean it's like was she really harmed to the extent of I mean having been defamed a few times in public. Um, I don't know that it's really worth $88 million to be called a liar by someone who's defending themsel and on social media. And basically, I mean, you know, I mean, in all these cases, right, someone's telling the truth and someone's lying.

[00:08:42]By definition, someone's perjuring themselves, right, if they're under oath. So, anyway, this isn't even about perjury. It's just about like calling someone a liar. How harmful is calling someone a liar? I don't know if it's $88 million harmful, but yeah. Anyway, um so >> here we go. Now, here we have two very I think what we have is two very big wrongs that make just two very big wrongs. Um there's, you know, now you have Trump's who has obviously weaponized his DOJ going after all sorts of people with dubious morals, um including like uh James Comey. Um but to the point where you're like, really?

[00:09:24]You're going after James Comey? uh you know oversea shells you're really you're going after Eugene Carol who's like basically at death's door. Um really like it's just sort of like I mean this is one of those things where I'm like definitely mega pox on both their houses, right?

[00:09:44]>> Yeah. I mean let's be honest, the Justice Department under the B administration and Obama administration went after Trump full board. I mean, in New York, they were trying to get him for hush money payment to a porn star.

[00:09:58]Now, this is as funny to me as Massie selling the cow to pay off [clears throat] women, right? Like, like hush money payment to a porn star. I ain't even like the way it sounds. Um, but basically what that case boiled down to was Donald Trump not um claiming on the election form that he was paying quote unquote hush money to a porn star.

[00:10:20]Instead, he put payment to a lawyer, >> right? who didn't pay the porn star.

[00:10:24]Same thing with Hillary Clinton, though.

[00:10:26]Hillary Clinton gets caught for the exact same thing. And instead, what they say is, "We're going to give you a fine for Trump." They didn't even do that because they didn't even consider it a crime, but then they turned it into a felony in New York. They went after him full boore. The Justice Department spying on his campaign, and then they joking and mocking him, saying, "Oh, nobody's spying on this campaign." Come to find out, they were >> they were.

[00:10:47]>> So, two wrongs don't make a right.

[00:10:52]Look, they literally made him crazy.

[00:10:54]They drove him crazy. They gaslit him.

[00:10:58]And they literally, when I say they drove him crazy, he's now crazy as a result. I mean, Democrats did create this problem. They decided to I mean, the lawfare thing is real. That's true.

[00:11:10]But that also doesn't mean that he's not now crazy and doing things that are crazy and he shouldn't be doing. I hate him both really. Um, you know, and here we are and like while they're [ __ ] around, you know, with tax using taxpayer money on this [ __ ] and wasting valuable media bandwidth that we ought to be using to oh, I don't know, get help Americans put food on their table every day. Um, instead, you know, we're we're talking about this [ __ ] It's the whole thing is a disaster.

[00:11:42]>> Yeah. Agreed.

[00:11:44]So, let's uh let's do some let's do some there's some comments about this we should talk about. Zack Dikart Mansour Ted believes her and all women. No, I actually don't know. I don't believe her or disbelieve her. I wasn't in the dressing room in 199 whatever it was.

[00:12:01]So, I don't have no [ __ ] idea what happened. Um you know, it's like uh and I don't believe all women. I you know I listen to sides and I try to figure out what I believe and often I don't know who to believe right that's really >> by the way just be clear I don't believe or disbelieve >> right >> it's like I don't know I guess my my point of view is the law should be a bit different like meaning there should be something there where they could be like okay she's obviously telling the truth or he's obviously lying and we're talking about something that took place like 25 years ago. Yeah, I don't I think for that reason alone I mean look the stat I was very disturbed when uh Governor Andrew Cuomo of all [laughter] passed a law into place to say allowing lawsuits uh getting rid of the statute of limitations. I mean the statute of limitations is there for good reason.

[00:12:54]And with a civil claim like this, I mean, effectively it truly it turns on the head the American notion that you're guilty until you're you're you're innocent until proven guilty. I mean, really truly, if you know, in Trump's situation, he was in a position where he needed to prove that he was innocent.

[00:13:13]And it's impossible. I mean, you know, in my I'm not going to get into my case, but like the details of my case were 15 years old when I went to court, right?

[00:13:24]And it was impossible even though there were dozens of eyewitnesses at the time to locate a single one who was able to step forward and say what they saw right you know and it was on the street in LA.

[00:13:38]Um but I couldn't find anyone even though you know the case was was was all over the place. It was national news. It was you know in the all the local press.

[00:13:46]It didn't matter. So, can you imagine this happened in a dressing room where by the way I've the the the door it's not one of those ones where the door is like you know goes is has a space like a foot high. This Gordon Taylor they went all the way down to the ground. It was like a a door that shut. You're really like in a room by yourself. So, I mean, come on. You I mean, look, I mean, if you went to Bloomingdales or Macy's and, you know, had sex in there, the odds are that the person who's the guardian of that place is going to hear you and kick your ass out, your horny asses out. Um, I don't know what happened. And, um, it's I mean, but I but I I mean, I have to always I always tend to side with the accused because it's like >> that's the most difficult position to be in. And the accused, if the accused has a def has a defense, they should be able to make it in this case. I don't know how you could make it, >> you know.

[00:14:45]>> You know, >> and I know they hate Trump.

[00:14:47]>> I do hate Trump.

[00:14:49]>> No, no. I mean, I'm saying I know that the judge and these people hate >> it adds a bias to that I can't ignore >> in regards to verdict, especially with a ver $80 million.

[00:15:01]>> Like meaning it's one thing if you say I'm awarding them $2 million. Okay, fair enough. 80 million gets across. You hate this guy. [laughter] Like this is I mean seriously I said like listen um yeah it's a you know I mean look like maybe for you and me like a $10,000 is is going to really pinch. But you know Donald Trump's a rich guy so maybe it's true like to make it hurt you've got to hit him for one or two million. There's some countries where like if you get a speeding ticket, they look at your uh your income and they charge you accordingly, which I like that idea. Um but um yeah, that's it. It's it's a crazy story. I but I will say I don't now we are where we are, right? We can't go back in time. [ __ ] the Democrats.

[00:15:46]They were [ __ ] But now rep now he's being the [ __ ] And um revenge is not justice, you know, and this is revenge.

[00:15:55]This is revengeist [ __ ] And it's like I mean who can ever trust the Department of Justice going forward after the weaponization that has taken place by both parties.

[00:16:07]>> Yeah. A degradation of the political This is why I keep saying there's a degradation in our political space.

[00:16:14]This is not supposed to happen where political parties effectively contort the government to go after political opponents. That's banana Republic.

[00:16:25]>> Totally. Totally. So, uh, by the way, just a reminder, if you have questions and you're watching live here in the 9:00 am hour, Eastern time in the United States, uh, please go ahead and put your questions and comments into Rumble and YouTube in the live chat and, uh, producer Robbie West will put it up for us. Um, let me see if there's any ads because it's been kind of a while since we had an ad, but I don't know. Ask Robbie this. Robbie, why are we not getting ads these days?

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[00:17:09]So, um Philip Blair, Eugene Carol's case was overseen by Judge Lewis Kaplan, the same judge who oversaw the absurd case against Steven Donsiger. No [ __ ] >> Are you serious? That man should that judge should be in prison for what he did to Steven Donsiger.

[00:17:29]>> Yeah, he should be outrageous.

[00:17:32]>> He's a [ __ ] menace. I mean, it's like if you are in the New York courts and you draw and the cur the clerk draws your draws that judge for your case, you're [ __ ] I mean, the man's a maniac.

[00:17:45]>> It wasn't by accident. I don't believe for a moment that they drew him by accident. I don't moment that Eene Curl drew him back.

[00:17:53]>> No, it doesn't work that way. Again, LA Times call back, right? So, like when I went to the appellet division in the LA courts, they my lawyer I consulted with my lawyers and I'm like, "Oh, how's it going to go? What are the political leadings of the justices?" They said, "Well, there's 16 panels. Uh, one out of the 16 is right-wing conservative. 15 out of the 16 are progressive lefties."

[00:18:15]I'm like, "Oh, so we should be in good shape." They're like, [crying] Guess which panel I got, right?

[00:18:23]>> Conservative.

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[00:19:47]>> Actually, it was a Law and Order episode. [laughter] >> Yeah, I guess I heard that. Yeah. I mean, uh, you know, now I want to do that music. Um, >> May Bluth Funk Me Too is a SCOP and it is bad for women. It is. Me too was very toxic for sure. It it ended up being toxic, but it's like anything like you go through pendulum swings. I would argue the civil rights movement, the woke stuff is a remnant of civil rights movement, the woke stuff.

[00:20:20]>> Yeah. Like meaning you go from, okay, African-Americans, okay, yeah, we need to do something about African-Americans, great, because civil rights movement, etc. Then you have um homosexuality, so you get like Willing Grace and you get movement on that front. But what happens if you just keep going in a particular direction? [clears throat] Inevitably, you're gonna get to, you know, a cliff.

[00:20:39]>> I guess I'm saying like the pendulum swings.

[00:20:43]>> It does. I mean, but, you know, it's not right. I mean, um, you know, it's like I've had this argument uh recently with some friends. It's like, you know, about like, you know, like honorary degrees. I was going to write about this like uh in the latest uh round of college graduation commencement ceremonies. They're all going to like women, right? they're all going to women. Um, and it's kind of like it's a little absurd like come on, men have contributed some things to our society of course >> and it's kind of like >> um or like you know the the Pled surprises are definitely have gone full woke and you're like okay well you guys had your whole you had your whole thing and I'm like okay well that's fine but that's what you're talk advocating isn't justice it's revenge and revenge and justice are not the same thing.

[00:21:28]If I am if I am in South Africa, >> South Africa apartheid ends, ANC takes over um because of the advantages that were institutionalized from um let's say the white South Africaners, >> sure, >> that they effectively despite the fact that the ANC is in charge now, they still own like 90% of the land and whatnot.

[00:21:58]If I >> Zimbabwe went differently, right? Like they stripped they they stripped away a lot of the the farmland from the whites.

[00:22:05]>> Well, that's what I'm getting at. At some point, don't you have to balance those skills? And of course, the people who are there are like, "Oh, this is injustice. This is unfair." It's like, but dude, but you have 90% because of x number of years that you were able to effectively control the political space and steal terri like I'll begin my point. How do you balance that?

[00:22:25]>> It's really hard. It is hard and I guess and from the people who are there they think this is unfair.

[00:22:32]>> Yeah. They feel like they feel like hey we bought it. It's like it's it's we bought it fair and square. Those were the rules of the time. Now you're coming along and changing the rules.

[00:22:42]>> Trying to balance the equation. And I guess my thing is they're looking at the woke stuff is trying to balance the equation. I agree with you. The [ __ ] is not right. Like meaning if if if you're screwing with my Star Trek and you're making Star Trek Discovery, I'm going to hate you for it.

[00:22:56]>> [laughter] >> I don't want to hear about your woke stuff. I don't want to hear about your feelings. I don't want to hear about, you know, you're using the wrong pronoun in Star Trek. Don't do that to my Star Trek. That is not balancing the equation.

[00:23:06]>> All that's happening like is that like, you know, old white dudes, you know, they sit there and they just listen and they're like flat effect, quiet. Usually they don't say anything. Then they go vote for Trump or uh, you know, or or or they like secretly harbor like right-wing racist beliefs. And that's the part that's dangerous. I think like like >> you know that people don't appreciate like >> I mean you know when when they South Africa did the truth and reconciliation commitment commissions rather than send like these white cops to prison where they belonged I remember thinking like Mel Nelson Mandela is gay like they should like nail these [ __ ] and years later I realized he was right he was wise it's like you know because it was like more important than revenge was like we've got to put a society together and and it's like and and we we want to definitely figure out what happened and why and but like we've got to move on at some point. We can't just keep like you know a Middle East style, you know, like tit fortat [ __ ] forever and ever, >> right?

[00:24:13]>> It's it's you know it it is hard though.

[00:24:16]It is hard because like I remember think you know I had I had Taiwanese relatives when I was married um and um they had land reform in the in the 40s. the uh one of the members of the family had like a had vast property holdings and owned the monopoly for beer on the island of Taiwan like Taiwan beer still silicon >> and uh the and and you know when they came in and did land reform kind of competing with the communists um they took it away and uh and the family still like and they just stole it. We built it. our family built it and they just [ __ ] stole it from us and they're all these years later they're still pissed.

[00:24:56]And I'm like, "Yeah, but I mean I see I really can argue it both ways."

[00:25:02]>> Uhhuh. Yeah. I mean I guess my point is how do you balance an equation?

[00:25:07]>> It's that part. And I get human beings >> um are going to look at it from their own individual context, you know, especially if it's something of theirs.

[00:25:17]They took it. they stole it, they removed it from me, I built this, etc. Despite the fact that you may have an institutional structure that allowed you to do that at the expense of somebody else because that other person also say I'm being effed over, I'm being screwed over, etc., etc., because of the way the system is cutting in a particular way.

[00:25:34]How do you balance the equation? And I guess that's the >> like in my opinion, all the Israelis should be kicked out of the West Bank, every last one of them. Right.

[00:25:43]>> Agree. But then they're going to be furious because it's like I bought this place. I these are my savings. I mean, I don't I still would kick them out, but and it's kind of like I would my argument would be like, well, you knew that when you moved there. You knew that it was legally fraught and that you didn't have a good claim, right? And you knew this could happen someday. So this you you took a gamble and you lost.

[00:26:07]That's what I would say.

[00:26:09]>> Yeah.

[00:26:10]I think these woke people are looking at it through those lenses. But I think they've gone far too far. [laughter] >> I think they've gone too far.

[00:26:18]>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. All right.

[00:26:19]Here we go. Um, uh, only time will tell.

[00:26:23]A bad sexual experience can't equate, uh, I think equate to sexual abuse unless it's a non-consensual act. Well, Carol's Carol's argument was that it was a non-consensual act. Um, so Sky Skylaski, so the logic is believing Trump over her. How does that work?

[00:26:42]>> No. Oh, I don't believe either.

[00:26:44]>> I don't believe >> I mean like you know it's unknowable to me. That's that's my point. And if you're in a court of law and something is unknowable, then how do you award $80 million? That's my issue. It's not it's not that I think Trump is a great person. It's not that I think Trump is honest.

[00:27:01]>> It's just that there's enough reasonable doubt to drive a truck through.

[00:27:04]>> Yeah. I just don't know. I'm stuck in the I don't know phase. Now you can say, well, you should automatically believe her. I don't know her from a hole in the wall.

[00:27:11]>> Yeah. I don't automatically believe anyone, you know.

[00:27:13]>> Yeah. It's like, come on. You know, >> it's like I don't automatically believe myself. I check in with myself like, wait, did I [laughter] >> right? It's like, am I really behaving because of this way? Like, am I am I taking this action because of this?

[00:27:25]>> Yeah. Do I have a brainworm? You know, uh, only time will tell. No [ __ ] way do I feel comfortable with a needy woman making advances at me. They use sex as bait and a tool to bludgeon you to death. I think that despite the paranoia there, I think it really important to engage with that feeling because I think postme too, a lot of men and young men in particular and boys, they're like really afraid of romance and dating because they think they're going to end up in college like in a at a Title N hearing. Um they're, you know, it's it's rampant. Um they're, you know, it's kind of like better not to take a chance. I mean, I'm, you know, even I went to college in the early 80s and then in the early 90s when I went back, right? And even at that time, I remember just thinking like dating's dangerous. Like if a woman's like, "Oh, like I'm drunk and I crash at your place." I'd be like, >> "No, >> you need to go home, put her in a taxi."

[00:28:24]And and like why? because I don't want any I I want to minimize my legal ex possible legal exposure if someday she decides she just doesn't like me for some reason and wants to [ __ ] me over and wants to use that accusation power I think and so now that's back then you know in the early days of take back the night and stuff and now and the thing is the problem is like these women are responding to something super big and super real which was rape culture was like rampant and ass grabbery and like date rape and um you know spiking people's drinks and all that disgusting [ __ ] that went on for thousands of years and it's still going on and so they're they're right to be up in arms about it but like they're up being up in arms is like I don't know it's like really [ __ ] up our society because you know like literally young couples aren't even launching they're not even meeting and getting together because of this fear like oh my god better just to you was keep it zipped.

[00:29:26]>> See, I didn't have an issue with me too in the beginning cuz I thought it was necessary. It was a response like the Harvey Weinstein of the world. Harvey Weinstein was doing that [ __ ] for like 20 30 years. I mean, disgusting. And there I remember one story was like he made me stand there as he masturbated into a plant and I was like, what did the plant do? Like like [laughter] why are you doing that to that plant? Let alone another. It is mind-blowing to me that you as a man can stand there and whack off with a woman sitting and looking at you in disgust as you do it.

[00:30:02]That's mind-blowing.

[00:30:03]>> Oh yeah.

[00:30:04]>> Um but again, this is what some of the stuff that these guys were doing. Um when they were handing over when Epstein recommended a secretary, oh, who's the person you know him by name? And you think to yourself, they're passing women around knowing full well these women are going to be molested when they get into a particular place or harassed. Okay, this is outrageous. Fox News is a really good example. The story, there's a TV show or there's a movie on what was taking place in Fox News where they went after Rupen Murdoch because of >> Oh, right, right, right, right, right, right.

[00:30:35]>> Not even keep his hands off people. This was culture.

[00:30:39]So, I don't take issue with me too kind of responding to that culture. But to your point, the law of unexpected consequences, which is I now need a contract if we're going to have sex, [laughter] right? I need you to sign right here and initial here. Initial here. All right, let's get to action. [laughter] Um, okay. I don't want that.

[00:31:04]>> I remember like situations.

[00:31:07]>> It's like the Antioch College rules. Do you remember those when the those were like sort of like um the it was protome too stuff and it was like okay so the college told their students all right so when every single step of the way in a seduction must be consented to verbally so it's like so I did a cartoon >> doesn't work that way >> at the time I would now like to look smoldering at you smolderingly at you is is it okay if I now look smolderingly at Yes, Ted R. It is now acceptable to me.

[00:31:42]It's like, excellent. Now, I would like to stroke your right forearm at this point in a vaguely oval pattern. Is that acceptable to you? Yes, it is acceptable to you. To me, it's like over literally that was the Antioch rules. I mean, there were so many like SNL skits about it >> and it makes that's where we're at. I guess >> nobody does that in practice.

[00:32:08]>> No, it's not. That's not in practice. It stops a man from being a man. Like, and what I mean by that is, just to be very clear, I don't mean like, you know, hit a woman overhead, drag her to the cage.

[00:32:16]>> No.

[00:32:17]>> But let's be honest. Let's be honest.

[00:32:20]And I know it's all men here having this conversation, so I accept that.

[00:32:24]Women like men to be men. And what I mean by that is yeah this women I would argue and women could be in the chat they can correct me if I'm wrong on this in many respects as a whole prefer men to be a confident and b to be willing to show that they are attracted and want them meaning they want to be wanted.

[00:32:52]>> Yeah. and they want men to demonstrate that passion in wanting them.

[00:32:58]>> Obviously, that is not going to be can I touch your arm right now. It's not going to be that.

[00:33:04]>> No, >> it's not that they want to be raped, nor is it they want to be groped or anything like that. I'm talking about in a case where they actually want that attraction, >> but they Yeah, they want they want the dude.

[00:33:15]>> But men can't always tell. But men are not always a good >> younger lady friends who tell me that like a big problem with like millennial guys. They can't close the deal. Like you know basically like we're [ __ ] around like we all know like we've been we're dating, we're on a date, whatever.

[00:33:30]We all know what we want to have happen.

[00:33:33]And the and the woman expects the guy to be like, "Hey, want to come to my place?" And but like he's like, "Okay, that was a nice night. Um have a good one." Uh, and then like maybe they text and maybe they don't text. And probably the guys thinking, "Oh, I don't know.

[00:33:48]She wasn't really into me." And like, look, to be honest, uh, you know, I I come out of this from a completely different set of experiences because I was like one of eight guys in a dorm with 500 women in college. So, I didn't have to [ __ ] >> So, I mean, I you know, they they would come around and like be like, "Hey, do you want to come to my place?" So, I didn't have to worry about it. But for most guys um you know they have to they have it's still that kind of culture.

[00:34:14]Women expect men to make the move and then it's like but men but women have now made women men terrified of making the move. That's the problem.

[00:34:24]>> The move the move. Yeah. When I was in college I we had ka dorm and within the first night I was hooking up with [laughter] But that was a little different though, right? because it was um it was across the hall and we just kind of clicked.

[00:34:40]>> Yeah.

[00:34:40]>> But I I recently and I I'll tell one of my recent experiences.

[00:34:46]Um if there is no chemistry, there is no chemistry.

[00:34:51]>> And it kind of is what it is. And I did not know that she thought that there was a there there if that makes sense.

[00:35:03]>> Yeah. We go out on a date and I'll call it a date. And to be honest, I chose I asked her to go out because I didn't want to go by myself. It was a co-play symphony. I didn't want to go by myself.

[00:35:16]And you can't really ask a guy to go with you to a symphony. That just feels weird. Like, hey Bob, want to go with me to symphony? Are you out your [ __ ] No.

[00:35:27]>> Right. Right. Right. Um, so we go um and afterwards I'm like, "All right, we obviously have no chemistry." Like, meaning I I knew we didn't have chemistry on day one. For me, if we have chemistry, I know within the first 20, 30 seconds. I'm like, "Oh my god, I love that woman. I'm going to marry that woman." That's me, right? I'm I am when I am over the moon, I am over the moon.

[00:35:52]It's clear. It's not ambiguous.

[00:35:55]And she sends me a text and she's like, "Yeah, um, I felt some kind of way."

[00:36:01]That was a paintball issue where she got shot with a paintball cuz she thought I should have jumped to her defense. Um, I thought she was out of her mind and she unleashed hiting and rage at the paintball event, which also put off my family and put off me. But besides the point, she says to me, Texas, "Yeah, you're a bit um insecure."

[00:36:22]It's not really insecurity. It's just I wasn't interested >> and um I wanted something.

[00:36:29]How did she say you're a bit insecure and it was something else? And I read the text think to myself, okay, I didn't know there was a thing first of all.

[00:36:39]Two, what you are considering insecurity, maybe a little bit just because everything that's been happening over the course of the last three months, but it's not really entirely insecurity. It's just I'm not that into you. Like [clears throat] the relationships are complicated. And when you add on top of this idea of okay, if I make a move on her, is this going to be received and is this going to come back to bite me in the ass later on if she considers the move to be so and so? Yeah, that's a lot to add on to.

[00:37:12]>> I mean, it's rough. I mean, and we and we need to move on and hit a few more comments and we have to talk about the Middle East, but >> Yes. Yes.

[00:37:19]>> I mean, we obviously could talk about this for hours. It's fascinating. Um, I was on the sub New York subway a few months ago and I heard overheard some Gen Z like women, a pleel of them. They were obviously uh like all hanging out together and going out like, you know, drinking on the town. They're like, I don't know, six or whatever. And I was really taken by like one of them was saying like, "Can you believe that guy at the bar? like he just he just hit on you. He like asked you out and they were all like, "Ew." And I was like listening like for like, "Oh, he was so ugly or he was so inappropriate." Uh-uh. Literally, the generic idea that a man would just walk up and express his interest to a woman at in a public place just is culturally anathema to at least these women that and I think it's becoming more like that. I mean, it's literally just like all the young men I talk to, they're like literally like, "Yeah, I don't date." And I'm like, "What? How are you seriously?

[00:38:26]>> How do you not date?" It's like, "Yeah, it's just not worth it." And that's why instead because they can be, they need to be.

[00:38:35]>> The culture has changed that much.

[00:38:37]>> Yeah. I was like, "Yeah, I mean the way it used to operate for me."

[00:38:41]>> I mean, I mean, well, I'm sorry. That's not the way it used to operate women all the time. Like I was the fly on the wall because I lived in that girl's dorm. So I would hear the way, you know, after a while I'm just like they're ignoring me and they're just talking amongst themselves and I could hear they didn't talk like that. They had all sorts of gross things to say like about like how they only wanted to date guys who had a lot of money or whatever. But they still were interested in guys and they didn't begrudge a guy for trying, you know.

[00:39:09]>> Yeah. My son is 16. Yeah. I'm popping myself in. I'm going to do this.

[00:39:14]>> Please.

[00:39:14]>> So he So he's turned 17 this year >> and he has had his first girlfriend. She just broke up with him >> and No, it's changed puppy love. It is what it is.

[00:39:23]>> Yeah.

[00:39:24]>> No, now know he's going fishing again.

[00:39:25]He's back in the old back in the old pool. And this is Callisbell, Montana.

[00:39:30]The high school is a population of 200 students. It's it's not huge. Okay. And the girls just like, "No, we don't want to date. Guys, guys are predators. This is the middle of nowhere. I can only imagine what it's like in the in the in the cities where know where y'all live.

[00:39:49]It's >> feminism is a poison.

[00:39:53]>> It is a poison. It is a destructive force.

[00:39:59]>> Wow.

[00:40:00][clears throat] >> Not the theory of feminism and meaning feminism just on paper.

[00:40:04]>> Feminism as it's currently being practiced. No. If if you have >> good way feminism is is toxic, I would agree.

[00:40:11]>> No, we have two genders. You got guys and girls, you have inies and outies.

[00:40:15]That that's it. It's a binary choice.

[00:40:18]And if you've conditioned, you know, the female of the species to look at the male and say, "I don't need you. I don't want you. At best, you're disgusting. At worst, you're a dangerous predator."

[00:40:31]>> Then how can a society possibly continue to exist?

[00:40:36]I mean, we need to put this ideology where it belongs in the dust of history with Nazism, communism.

[00:40:42]>> Oh, these are really [laughter] >> feminists are Nazis.

[00:40:48]>> No, I mean I mean seriously, this is this is a this is a social pathogen of the highest order. Robbie, you had me until you went there. [laughter] >> No, I'm talking like Vinnie. If you say because from my point of view I this look from my point of view there's nothing wrong with school girl feminism.

[00:41:09]I'm a woman I can do my own thing etc etc. I think it gets toxic when it gets to >> like extremes. Agreed. But Nazism Oh, that's a little strange.

[00:41:18]>> Well, I mean well think about it. The Nazis for all of their faults didn't want to commit cultural suicide in Germany. They wanted to borrow a Trumpism. We want to make Germany great again. We don't have leave it strong.

[00:41:32]Have a place doesn't grow.

[00:41:34]>> But I mean, >> well, anti-semitism was a form of cultural suicide because and hell political suicide because they literally kicked out the guy who could build the A- bomb for them.

[00:41:45]>> No, listen. I I get it. But the point that I'm trying to make though is that if if you train 52% of the population, at least a significant minority, if not a majority of them, to think that the that the people who build your roads, build your buildings, fight your wars for you are dangerous predators and that you should have nothing to do with them. I honestly don't know how that society can possibly continue to exist because without kids, you can't exist. you die.

[00:42:16]I mean, that's the problem here.

[00:42:19]>> And that's where I'm going with this.

[00:42:22]>> To me, the issue is extremes. I I don't see an issue with I mean, again, this stuff is a pendulum. I mean, you go to the ma, what is it? The um Mad Men, for example, the tech TV show.

[00:42:34]>> Like, you go through a period like that where women are second class, women are in the um thing. And in the same way you had black holding signs saying I am a man or um I'm black and I'm proud. Okay, why were they doing that? Because for the longest time everything in the society had pointed into the direction that these people are somehow lesser, inferior, etc. In which case you get this kind of cultural revolution of I'm black and I'm proud. I'm a man, etc. So I think it's true for women though >> and I guess I'm saying feminism is the extension of that. This idea of women in the workplace, women can be engineers, women can do this, women can >> I don't think this is feminism. I don't think this is feminism because what you're talking about is what it is.

[00:43:16]>> I mean, no, listen, I like women. I like women so long so much. I've been married to one for 20 years in October. I like women a lot. I I there there's a lot of things in this world I don't like. I do like myself some women though. All right. Basically, lesbian opinions have become mainstream across heterero female spaces, you know, kind of like Andrea Dorcin, who ironically ended up getting married to a dude in the end. But, um, you know, the it's the dorkanization of stuff. Um, you know, yeah, I mean, it's like because it's it's that thing. It's like men are bad.

[00:43:51]>> Um, you know, inherently >> like just as a group like is is it a man? It's bad. Um, >> which is just I've seen this before and I'm sure y'all have too. Don't go away because I know we have more to talk about. Uh, I've had people tell me that because because I was born a white male, I am inherently an evil person. That's like the most racist thing you could possibly say. If I said that about any other great any other group, I would be be condemned rightly so as a bigot.

[00:44:18]>> It's obviously disgusting. Yeah.

[00:44:20]>> And it's okay to say about white men, but not only just white men, but men in general. And until women realize uh this is not true, this is false. And if I want to one day have a family, maybe be able to have something called a legacy, maybe not have my my eggs dry up and be and wither away before I'm able to have a kid, maybe you should probably stick up for the guys that got the grapes between their legs because you're going to need them one day.

[00:44:47]>> If you hate them, they're not going to show up.

[00:44:49]>> Let's move on because we we have 15 minutes to cover our remaining stories here. Okay. Um, Captain Obvious, uh, thanks for the $9 donation. Uh, check it out. The mouse utopia and the Calhoun experiment. We're at the stage when many women are alienated from each other.

[00:45:04]Feminism is just a byproduct of industrialization.

[00:45:08]>> Yeah. Mouse utopia is f. Do you know what that is?

[00:45:11]>> No.

[00:45:13]So, a guy was doing an experiment where he effectively said, "Okay, we're going to give um basically rats exactly what they need to see whether or not this makes happier rats."

[00:45:25]>> It did not do happier rats. In fact, from that mistake, the it kept dying out over and over and over again. He kept trying to figure out why are they dying out. And what they think is because they put them in a room together and you give them everything they need and everything else that what they ultimately end up wanting was like this ability to um god if I remember this experiment right they kept dying out despite the fact that they were giving them everything that they needed >> but it was status that was the issue that they didn't have or something like that because usually rats could go into their own place they could set up their own thing he could be the alpha male in his own case but in this case because they were locked in a confined space that they weren't necessarily able to do it. Basically, they gave them everything that they wanted to create utopia and they still kept dying up year after year after year.

[00:46:12]>> I have to I have to look into that. And we do have one we have a we have to have this comment. Uh black beauty, we women are tired of men's perverted behavior.

[00:46:22]Yeah, us men are tired of men's perverted behavior, too. But yeah, you gota but >> that's not all men. I guess that's my point.

[00:46:29]>> Be making us all look like [ __ ] For sure.

[00:46:31]>> Yeah. Um, all right. So, let's move on here. Um, Middle East. Um, we So, Trump's threatening Oman. I think we can dismiss that as basically just Trump being Trump, although it's insane. Um, Lebanon war, that's important. That's going to keep going because the Israelis are doing their own thing now. And um that's what that's what happens when you crawl into bed and go into a business war partnership with an unreliable crazy uh person like Benjamin.

[00:47:03]>> Um anyway, now there's been an exchange of fire, not surprising, and oil prices are going up. Um I'm increasingly doubtful that there's going to be any kind of uh resolution, you know, uh peaceful resolution to this. But I it's kind of like what I can't what's breaking my brain, JT is there has to be because the whole global economy tanks if there isn't. But there can't be because Trump's not capable of doing what's necessary to make it happen.

[00:47:41]So what happens?

[00:47:44]>> Isn't that fascinating?

[00:47:45]>> It is.

[00:47:47]>> And and I don't and I hate to say fascinating because I realize oil is you know diesel is like at 550 560 a year.

[00:47:55]Um gas is at 550 on average here which for an American context if you're a foreigner that is high. I know for foreigners that's like what are you complaining about? That sounds great.

[00:48:04]Um, yeah, it's breaking my brain, too.

[00:48:07]Uh, it's the presidential hubris and narcissism hefted against the global and American economy. And what's sad is I don't know where it goes. Like, meaning that's sad because all things been equal, you think to yourself, well, obviously the president's bias is going to be the American economy. I mean, he's certainly not going to let the economy collapse. Hefted against his narcissism and hubris. I don't know if you saw the bluster at the press conference that Trump was at. Oh, how the Oman is going to behave or else or else what? We're gonna blow him up. And I don't know if he notices, but Oman and Iran have been making arrangements in order to manage the straight of moose, which means they're not giving it up. They're creating a regimenal organization to control it. So, you know, the idea that Trump is going to somehow get a better deal than the JCOA is nonsense. And the idea that the US is not going to make concessions in order to end it is nonsense. Otherwise, it's not going to end. And so now you have these guys exchanging fire. Initially, I didn't Iran said that they bombed a US military base. Kuwait says their air defense went off. So people assume that the attack was on Kuwait. And at this point, I think that's the way it's considered to be that the attack was on Kuwait base.

[00:49:21]The US bombed Iran also. So even though they're calling it a ceasefire, these guys are exchanging fire directly, which doesn't quite seem like a ceasefire.

[00:49:30]>> Nope.

[00:49:31]>> Told you I thought there were going to be more strikes and I stay with it. I don't I don't Trump couldn't end the Ukraine war for his own hubris despite the fact that it was clear Ukraine was losing the war. I think the same thing is going to be true here. He's he's stuck. Hubris versus economy.

[00:49:48]>> Yeah. Yeah. Um I mean I don't know how it plays out. Uh, you know, I mean, you know, as on MyersBriggs, I'm I'm an INTJ supposedly. Uh, and you know, irrational behavior like basically is something we don't relate to. We can't connect to like when people are just wallowing in emotions and not seeing especially when there's a clear obvious decision to be made here. I mean, it's a clear obvious decision. I mean, you have to be, you know, a [ __ ] not to just to see what Trump needs to do. If you know, it's like Trump, you got to he's got to bring this in and like kind of like you don't necess, you know, you can probably you have some leverage with the Iranians.

[00:50:32]You have their money.

[00:50:34]>> You you know, they want normalization.

[00:50:36]Uh they would love a friendship or an alliance even with the United States and Europe. They'd love to be you reintegrated into the global economy.

[00:50:44]So, you have stuff that you can trade, but you need to make it happen. And you need to make it happen yesterday. Um, and when he they're not he's like, "Oh, I have all the time in the world. I'm in no rush." He's like, "Look how long Vietnam and Afghanistan went." I'm like, Both of those wars destroyed multiple presidencies and were incredibly unpopular and are widely viewed as mistakes by the American public. So that's what you're comparing it to. I mean, it's just it >> Yeah, that's a difference.

[00:51:18]>> I get it.

[00:51:19]>> Well, I was going to say the difference in this is cost. I mean, I know you can say they destroyed presidencies. True, but they didn't destroy America as an empire.

[00:51:30]>> No.

[00:51:31]>> I think the difference with this one is I don't think Trump fully grasp the depths of his failure in this. like meaning you're it's like dude you are they are attacking you economically these attacks yeah sure the military strikes from the standpoint of the US from Iran standpoint they are hitting the homeront directly in a way that none of these wars has done before >> I mean like meaning if Trump has been using the strategic war reserve to try to cut down on the cost of oil that people are buying gas when they're going to the gas pump he's been doing this stuff constantly over the course of the entire war to try to lower gas prices.

[00:52:15]It's at 450. [laughter] It's not working or it's working, but obviously it gets across how bad it is. He's been manipulating oil markets by saying the war is almost coming to a close. I don't even know why people still respond to it. Frankly, >> I don't know either. I don't like like I don't understand why these oil traders, oil futures traders, like you know, your job is just to think about money. It's just numbers. You're not supposed to be thinking about like what you want to have happen. You got to be thinking about what you think is gonna happen.

[00:52:45]And like come on, nobody thinks this war is over and or going to be over anytime soon. And Trump, I mean, Trump keeps he's the boy, I don't know, who cried uh sheep or something because he constantly keeps saying, "Oh, pieces at hand." You know, they want to deal and it's like, but then it never is because he blows something up and he run, right? I mean, it's it's so [ __ ] up.

[00:53:10]>> But that's just it, though. The empire, like, I don't I I never The reason why I thought there were going to be more strikes is because I didn't believe that the empire could accept losing to a regional power without testing the hell out of that regional empire. Meaning, it's going to test the [ __ ] out of it.

[00:53:27]Doesn't want to accept failure or loss.

[00:53:30]And >> so it puts as much pressure as it possibly can even after it is effectively went through the military campaign.

[00:53:38]>> I I don't know if we can leave this without trying to test Iran's ability to withstand it again, which is why I keep thinking there's going to be strikes. But be very clear though, what that means is that when Iran responds and if they go after infrastructure, if they go after smashing Saudi Arabia and Bahrain and UAE, etc., And I mean going after like infrastructure in that sense. There is no oil to deliver short of what's in those tankers and the years that it takes to replenish or to rebuild infrastructure and everything else. That means that the world just goes without for a period of time. Like I I don't like man we need to get the gravity of those in real terms. Um but we'll see. I I don't know what he does which is sad because it's an obvious it should be an obvious answer. Call it a day.

[00:54:30]>> Speaking of lunacy, uh well I guess we should t take this um this uh rumble rant from manchild. Thanks for the dollar. Threatening to blow up Oman. Did Trump skip the art of the deal and go straight to the gunboat diplomacy of 1850?

[00:54:44]>> Well, we Yes, he did. Yes, he did. Um we So, all right, we have a few minutes left. Um Trump the Trump administration I they floated this and I didn't want to talk about it when it happened a few days ago, but they're still talking about it. um they're they they're getting spicy about the fact that there have been some kind of pretty small protests against ICE in cities like New York. And so the Trump administration is now thinking saying in retaliation retaliation against whom they're going to basically close down the customs and immigrations processing at major airports like John F. Kennedy International Airport just in time for the summer travel tourism season. So that when foreigners come to cities where these protests are happening, they're basically going to be turned away because they can't be processed into the United States. They can't have their passport stamped. Um I assume that this will not actually happen because it's so stupid. Um, but I guess um I mean even the fact that they're bringing it up. I mean the United States is not really an appealing place to travel to these days. You just know it's going to be like they're taking your biometric information. They're charging you all these extra fees. They're making very clear that they don't want you. And now this I mean >> tourism is important. Connectivity to the rest of the world is important.

[00:56:09]Business international business travel is important. Um, you know, I mean, what is this about? Is this a Is this just a, you know, like again, Fortress America signaling to the base? Is that all it is?

[00:56:22]>> But it's dumb. It's just dumb. And it's self-inflicted injury. I mean, if you think of for one, tourism is down significantly.

[00:56:32]>> There's that already. Many people don't want to come here because of who's in charge of here and the way America looks at this point. It's effectively a rogue, degenerate, deranged government that has gone on a murder spree around the globe and has backed a murder spree in the Middle East. So, it's not like the most appealing place in the world to travel to in the moment. But the people who for whatever particular reason decide that they do want to come here. Yeah, it's dumb. I mean, it like you think of the amount of money that America make it through travel. um you think of the businesses that are going to be damaged when that money is not coming through because I would imagine those businesses expect a certain amount of travel each year especially during the summer months that is not beneficial to this country and and it was the same thing is true by the way when they were going after the Chinese students if you think of the scientists that are coming out of China because of the um engineering and tech that they have mastered or the very least that they're big into especially from the standpoint of their schools If you're turning those kids away, you're turning away talent, which was one of the big things that America was able to leverage was talent from the rest of the world. Okay. You're turning all of that away now. Like like meaning this is a self-inflicted wound. It's dumb.

[00:57:49]>> He can do it, but it's dumb.

[00:57:52]>> Yeah. No, I mean, [clears throat] and um and the other thing is I don't see the connectivity. I don't you know, when you're threatening, let's say, a city like New York. Okay. Um, okay. So, what do you exactly want in that case, Mayor Mandani to do? Do you want him to sick the NYPD on the pro on the ICE anti-ICE protesters? Do you want your cops you do you want to revoke them to revoke their sanctuary city um, you know, designation so that they cooperate more fully with ICE? I assume both of those. Um, but, you know, it's not going to happen. And I mean, even if Omdani privately hates immigrants, um, for some reason, he can't do that politically. The people of the of his city won't allow that. Um, you know, it's the sanctuary city thing is so popular in New York that >> Rudy Giuliani used to do ads promoting it on TV.

[00:58:48]>> Really?

[00:58:49]>> Yeah. When he was mayor.

[00:58:51]>> Yeah. It's like, don't worry if you're an immigrant, we've got your back. We will never cooperate with the federal authorities to deport you. I mean, it's there's it's not it's not even a political issue. It's like baked in, you know. So, >> it's like being into ribs in North Carolina. You just are. Um, you know, so I I don't know. It It >> I didn't know that. I didn't know it was that popular. Like, I knew it was popular. I didn't realize it was that popular in New York.

[00:59:18]>> Oh, yeah. No, you you won't find anyone who. So it's just but it's also like so you're asking you know you're basically pressuring someone to do something that they can't do.

[00:59:28]>> So >> what's the point of it?

[00:59:31]>> It's very nivist and maybe it is for the base.

[00:59:36]>> Okay, that's how fire alarm. I don't know what's going on.

[00:59:38]>> Well, this is a good time to let you go.

[00:59:40][laughter] Have a have a good day. Hope their building's not burning down. I'll see you tomorrow here on D program DMZ America podcast coming up at 11 am Eastern time. No tmi due to tech issues that I'm going to try to fix in the next hour so that we can be back tomorrow at 10 a.m. Thanks very much. Bye bye bye bye bye. And there we [music] >> [music]