The Coward of The Titanic? J. Bruce Ismay, White Star Line CEO testifies that he rowed the lifeboat.

[00:00:00]Welcome back to the Veriscope channel, where today we're looking at the testimony of J. Bruce Ismay, who was the CEO of the White Star Line, which owned the Titanic. And 4 days after his rescue, he was put in front of the United States Senate, where we are going through his testimony. And above here is one of the survivors, who is now late into a long life.

[00:00:35]We're at part eight, which are the reliable denials. But if you're new to Veriscope, or you haven't seen the first two parts, this is part three of a four-part analysis.

[00:00:47]Um it might make sense for me to briefly explain what Veriscope is and what it is that we're measuring.

[00:00:57]When a person speaks, in this case, it's the CEO himself, two things are produced at once from that same act of speaking. There's the words, which in this case Ismay is choosing, the nouns, and the claims that he makes, the content within those words.

[00:01:20]And he has control over that. He can shape that. He can select that.

[00:01:26]But underneath the small structural words that the sentences hang on, the pronouns, the articles, the prepositions, the tenses, how all of the words are joined together, they're laid down by another part of the mind.

[00:01:47]And that other part of the mind assembles the speech a fraction of a second before the words arrive below the reach of intention, in other words, unconsciously formed in initially the conceptualizer of the brain and then the formulator and then that fraction of a second it's as they said in the olden days, think before you speak, yet we now know scientifically that the words are out.

[00:02:23]Not the nouns and the words which are the construct words which the sentence because that's under their control.

[00:02:32]That's under the person's control. It's the small connective words.

[00:02:38]And we measure those because they change mathematically and they appear and disappear depending on on if somebody is drawing from memory or drawing from construction language or imagination.

[00:03:00]Now, bear in mind that deception isn't necessarily um always there and present just because the language is construction or imagination.

[00:03:16]So, do differentiate. We can tell it's either or memory or construction.

[00:03:24]So, it's not a lie detector.

[00:03:27]It's more of a authenticity of the brain state that produced the language. Now, if you know the case and it should be coming from memory, but it's coming from construction, you can draw your own conclusions. You're the jury.

[00:03:45]But, all we're doing is identifying um in effect the source state of the language. So, let's carry on now.

[00:03:54]Um it's okay if you haven't seen the first two parts. So, here here here is he is being um examined.

[00:04:07]And the question is, "Did you see any of the men passengers on that ship with life preservers on?"

[00:04:16]And Ismay says, "Nearly all the passengers had life preservers on."

[00:04:22]And then he's questioned essentially by the barrister in effect.

[00:04:27]"All that you saw?"

[00:04:29]"All that I saw had life preservers on."

[00:04:32]"All of them that you saw?" "Yes, as far as I can remember."

[00:04:38]Question.

[00:04:40]"Naturally, you would remember that if you saw it when you entered the lifeboat yourself. You say there were no passengers on that part of the ship?"

[00:04:49]"None."

[00:04:51]"Did you at any time struggle among the men to get into these boats?" "No." So, here we have uh a fairly direct accusation.

[00:05:03]"Did you at any time see any struggle among the men to get into these boats?"

[00:05:10]And we have a clear no.

[00:05:15]And yet, if we know the history, we know that a struggle has occurred. But, he claims clearly, reliably, in his normal format, he's not hedging, giving excuses.

[00:05:33]"Was there any attempt at this boat as this boat was being lowered past the other decks to have you take on more passengers?" "None, sir. There were no passengers there to take on."

[00:05:46]Question. "Before you boarded the lifeboat, did you see any of the passengers jump into the sea?

[00:05:52]I did not.

[00:05:55]After you had taken the lifeboat, did you see any of the passengers or crew with life-saving apparatus on them in the sea? No, sir.

[00:06:06]So, at a glance, doing the examination of what we've just heard, these are more of the wall. None. No. None.

[00:06:16]None, sir. The There were no passengers there to take on. I did not. The same fact again and again. There was no one.

[00:06:25]So, the barrister is he keeps pecking, but he faces a wall.

[00:06:33]First instinct is to call it a barricade thrown up around the act, but it is in fact the opposite, and this is where the whole reading turns.

[00:06:43]A clean denial made in the negative, committed, carrying no hedge, is one of the strongest marks of truth the discipline knows.

[00:06:55]The guilty avoid it.

[00:06:59]They go conditional.

[00:07:02]They soften.

[00:07:04]They will not quite commit.

[00:07:08]The innocent deny plainly, and they deny often.

[00:07:14]And here it is in its purest form. I did not. First person, past tense. The act named. The one construction the guilty find hardest to make.

[00:07:27]He hedges every date and every distance.

[00:07:30]He is a hedger by nature under these circumstances from the language that he's used previously. And here he commits without a hedge over and over on a single matter he is sure of.

[00:07:46]The repetition is not nerves. The wall, looked out properly, was never a wall.

[00:07:53]It was a man telling the truth more often than he needed to because he could already feel how it was going to look that he had lived.

[00:08:08]He knows how it looks. He's sensitive to being a passenger.

[00:08:13]He's sensitive to being the last passenger having helped the women and children aboard and he's sensitive to he waited until the boat was going down and he stepped into the boat.

[00:08:30]That's his testimony.

[00:08:33]So, the open sea.

[00:08:39]Question.

[00:08:41]What course was taken by the lifeboat in which you were in which you were after leaving the ship?

[00:08:49]We saw a light some distance off to which we attempted to pull and which we thought was a ship.

[00:08:56]Can you give the direction of it? I could not give that.

[00:09:01]But you saw a light? Yes, sir.

[00:09:04]And you attempted to pull this boat toward it? Yes, sir.

[00:09:09]How long were you in the open sea in this lifeboat? I should think about 4 hours.

[00:09:15]Were there any other lifeboats in the vicinity? Yes. How many?

[00:09:20]That's I could not answer. I know there was one because we hailed her.

[00:09:25]She had a light and we hailed her but got no answer from her.

[00:09:30]You got no answer? No, sir.

[00:09:34]Did you see any rafts in the open sea?

[00:09:37]No, sir, none.

[00:09:39]Were there any rafts on the Titanic that could have been utilized? I believe not.

[00:09:46]Were all of the lifeboats of one type?

[00:09:49]No, there were four that are called collapsible boats.

[00:09:55]What were the others? Ordinary wooden boats.

[00:09:59]How many were there? I think there were 20 altogether.

[00:10:03]Including both designs? Yes, 16 wooden boats and four collapsible boats, I think. I am not absolutely certain.

[00:10:13]When you reached the Carpathia, was your lifeboat taken aboard the Carpathia?

[00:10:19]That I do not know.

[00:10:22]Did you see any other lifeboats taken aboard the Carpathia? I did not.

[00:10:27]What was the method of getting you aboard the Carpathia? We simply walked up a Jacob's ladder.

[00:10:35]What was the condition of the sea at the time? There was a little ripple on it, nothing more.

[00:10:42]Do you know whether all the lifeboats that left the Titanic were accounted for? I believe so. I do not know that of my own knowledge.

[00:10:53]I think it has been suggested that two of them were engulfed.

[00:10:57]Of that, I know nothing.

[00:11:00]You wouldn't know if that were true, would you not? I have had no consultation with anybody since the accident, with the exception of one officer.

[00:11:11]Who was that?

[00:11:12]Mr. Lightoller. I have spoken to no member of the crew or anybody since in regard to the accident.

[00:11:21]So, let's examine what's been said.

[00:11:24]Most of this is simply answering the light, the hours, the boats, the ladder up the side. It carries nothing either way. One line does that since the accident he has spoken to almost no one.

[00:11:38]He says it plainly and he will say it again. It reads two ways and the reading keeps both. A man too shaken to speak of it or a man making plain that his account was arranged with no one.

[00:11:53]Both are to his credit. Neither is what keeping a story straight looks like.

[00:11:59]So far, although he has been sensitive about being a passenger, he's been sensitive about setting the account of the number of revolutions accurately.

[00:12:14]All understandable because of the accusations, but has he committed any deception in his language? We can confidently say we can't see any.

[00:12:34]So far.

[00:12:37]But remember, we enter a statement believing the person until they talk they themselves talk us out of it.

[00:12:49]So let's carry on.

[00:12:51]What was Mr. Lightoller's position? He was the second officer of the Titanic.

[00:12:58]How many officers of the ship's crew were saved? I am told four.

[00:13:04]Can you give their names? I cannot.

[00:13:07]Or their occupation? I could not. The only one I know is Mr. Lightoller who was the second officer.

[00:13:16]I understand they are here.

[00:13:19]I believe so. I do not know.

[00:13:27]So.

[00:13:30]chapter The single look back.

[00:13:39]Mr. Ismay, what can you say about the sinking and disappearance of the ship?

[00:13:46]Can you describe the manner in which she went down?

[00:13:50]I did not see her go down.

[00:13:52]You did not see her go down? No, sir.

[00:13:56]How far were you from the ship?

[00:13:59]I do not know how far we were away.

[00:14:03]I was sitting with my back to the ship.

[00:14:05]I was rowing all the time I was in the boat. We were pulling away.

[00:14:11]You were rowing? Yes. I did not wish to see her go down.

[00:14:19]You did not care to see her go down? No, I am glad I did not.

[00:14:25]When you last saw her, were there indications that she had broken in two?

[00:14:30]No, sir.

[00:14:32]When did you last see her? I really could not say.

[00:14:36]I might have been 10 minutes after we left her.

[00:14:41]It is impossible for me to give any judgment of the time. I could not do it.

[00:14:50]Was there much apparent confusion on board when you saw her last? I did not look to see, sir.

[00:14:57]My back was turned to her. I looked around once only to see her red light, her green light rather.

[00:15:06]So, let's have a look at this examination. For those who have been following Berescope, you'll have noticed quite a lot in in there. I'm not sure if we have time to go through every um part of the statement analysis or the forensic linguistics because there is plenty, but we will take away the top level of the findings.

[00:15:28]So, three answers. And they are the closest the testimony comes to the dead.

[00:15:34]"I did not see her go down. Then why?"

[00:15:39]"He turned away."

[00:15:40]The word set his body back to the ship, rowing. Every line of him pointed away from her. This is not a man taking in a scene to report it. It is a man who could not bear to look at what he had lived through. He did not wish to see her go down.

[00:15:59]"No, I am glad I did not." he says. And the one look he let himself take, once only according to his testimony, to see her red light, her green light, rather.

[00:16:13]Catch the correction inside it. Red then green, rather. Memory writing it self in the act of speaking.

[00:16:22]Reaching for the true color even here, even with his back turned and his eyes away, rowing, mainly looking, of course, human nature once or twice. We've got trauma affecting that. We've also got the fact that he wants to present to the world that he couldn't look, that he can't look.

[00:16:42]All of that, but invention does not do that.

[00:16:49]He is talking from memory here.

[00:16:52]We understand there are other motivations such as in his previous language in the testimony, such as wanting to be seen to be a passenger.

[00:17:03]But everything is from his memory.

[00:17:08]Of course, you can judge the morality of what he did, but he is recalling it and presenting it as truthful.

[00:17:18]So, my point being is if you judge that he was immoral to step down into the lifeboat with no other passengers on deck having put some of the women and children who are in that lifeboat in himself by hand, um and the ship is going down, then I can understand that because shouldn't he have gone back and found some more people? I don't know.

[00:17:50]Or was he right to save his life?

[00:17:55]His own life, rather.

[00:17:57]I don't know.

[00:17:58]That's um I I think I know what I would do.

[00:18:02]I think I I think I would get into the lifeboat, if I'm honest.

[00:18:07]Um I think uh I think that's human nature.

[00:18:15]I think provided you've got everyone else in and you're the last man on deck, apart from the crew, of course, I don't know. Is it then Is it then you save yourself, too?

[00:18:30]Well, let's carry on with the analysis.

[00:18:38]Of course, this is a good lesson because what I shouldn't allow myself to do, this is the tension, you see?

[00:18:45]>> [snorts] >> I'm I mustn't uh allow my latest thought of the situation to now cloud the rest of my analysis. So, there's this tension where we believe the speaker and yet we deliberately try and find areas where they talk us out of that position. Do you uh uh I spoke about it in the last video. So, there's a there's a pull one way and the other, which with you as if you're joining me as as the analyst, with us as the analyst together, we we're pulled in both directions. And that's deliberate so that we aren't finding deception where it isn't, but we are genuinely looking for it.

[00:19:29]Does that make sense?

[00:19:31]That's the best way for not going galloping off finding deception everywhere, to be grounded and believe the speaker unless they themselves show us that that isn't the case.

[00:19:43]And so far, we're seeing him talk to us from memory.

[00:19:49]You never saw the captain again after you left the bridge after you left him on the bridge. No, sir.

[00:19:56]Did you have any message from him?

[00:19:58]Nothing.

[00:20:00]And here they are in the Senate inquiry.

[00:20:03]So, it looks very busy, doesn't it?

[00:20:12]So, the technical question questioner answers deferred to the to the builders.

[00:20:18]And two places where a man sure of nothing turns certain. Let's see what this examination continues with. Question, do you know how many wireless operators there were on board the ship? I do not, but I presume there were two. There is always one on watch. Do you know how whether they survived? I am told one of them did.

[00:20:37]But I do not know whether it is true or not. I really have not asked.

[00:20:43]Were any of this crew enlisted men in the English navy? I do not know, sir.

[00:20:47]The ship's articles will show that.

[00:20:50]Can you tell us anything about the inspection and the certificate that was made and issued before sailing?

[00:20:56]The ship receives a board of trade passenger certificate, otherwise she would not be allowed to carry passengers.

[00:21:03]Do you know whether that was done? You could not sail your ship without You could not get your clearance.

[00:21:10]Do you know whether the ship was equipped with its full complement of lifeboats? If she had not been, she would not have sailed. She would not have received her passenger certificate.

[00:21:22]Therefore, she must have been fully equipped.

[00:21:25]Do you know whether these lifeboats were the lifeboats that were planned for the Titanic? I do not quite understand what you mean, sir. I do not think lifeboats are ever built for the ship. Lifeboats are built to have a certain cubic capacity.

[00:21:42]I understand that, but I mean whether these lifeboats were completed for the ship coincident with the completion of the ship or whether the lifeboats or any of them were borrowed from the other ships of the White Star Line.

[00:22:00]Ismay, they certainly would not be borrowed from any other ship.

[00:22:11]Do you recollect whether the lifeboat in which you left the ship was marked with the name Titanic on the boat or on the oars? I have no idea. I presume oars would be marked. I do not know whether the boat was marked or not. She was a collapsible boat.

[00:22:28]Can you recollect Sorry, what can you recollect whether that was so?

[00:22:34]I did not look to see whether the oars were marked. It would be a natural precaution to take.

[00:22:43]Mr. Ismay, do you know about the boiler construction of the Titanic?

[00:22:49]No, sir, I do not. May I suggest, gentlemen, if you wish any information in regard to the construction of the ship in any manner, shape, or form, that I shall be only too pleased to arrange for one of the Harland and Wolff people to come here and give you all the information you require, the plans and everything.

[00:23:09]We are much obliged to you.

[00:23:11]There has been some suggestion by passengers who left the ship in lifeboats that an explosion took place after this collision. Have you any knowledge on that point? Absolutely none.

[00:23:24]Do you think you would have known about that if it had occurred? Yes, I should.

[00:23:31]Do you mean to say before the ship went down? Yes, absolutely.

[00:23:36]So, let's analyze what's been said.

[00:23:39]One answer stand stands out from the technical run. Asked whether there was an explosion and whether he would have known, he drops his hedging entirely. Yes, I should.

[00:23:53]Absolutely, he says.

[00:23:56]His [clears throat] baseline doubts everything, doesn't it? He's He hedges mainly. Here, he is flatly certain.

[00:24:04]And the certainty falls on a point that clears the ship of having blown apart.

[00:24:10]Where his commitment defends the vessel, it appears.

[00:24:16]So, question.

[00:24:17]Mr. Ismay, do you know anything about the action of the amidship turbine, the number of revolutions? No.

[00:24:26]The reciprocating engines, you say, were going at 75 or 72 two revolutions at one time. Yes.

[00:24:33]Have you any knowledge as how many revolutions the amidship turbine was making? No, sir.

[00:24:39]Those are all technical questions which can be answered by others if you desire.

[00:24:47]What speed would 75 revolutions indicate?

[00:24:52]I should think about 21 knots.

[00:24:55]What is that in miles? It is in the ratio of 11 to 13, about 26 miles, 26 miles an hour, I should think.

[00:25:08]Mr. Ismay, did you have anything to do with the selection of the men who accompanied you in the last boat? No, sir.

[00:25:17]How were they designated? I presume by the officer who was in charge of the boat.

[00:25:23]Who was that? Mr. Wilde.

[00:25:26]And he was what officer? Chief officer.

[00:25:30]Was that done by lot or by selection? I think these men were allotted certain posts. Indiscriminately?

[00:25:40]No, I fancy at the time they had what they called, I think, the boats crew list. That is all arranged beforehand.

[00:25:50]Senator Smith, can you describe those rafts? There were none on board the ship.

[00:26:05]The different reactions to the events from the different people.

[00:26:19]Did you see any rafts actually in service? No, sir.

[00:26:27]Is it customary for the White Star Line to carry rafts? I believe in the olden days we carried rafts.

[00:26:39]Recently, that has not been done, not in the recent ships, no, sir.

[00:26:45]Why?

[00:26:47]I presume because they are not considered suitable.

[00:26:50]Do you know what water capacity there was on that ship? I do not, sir.

[00:26:57]I mean, when she was staved in, how many compartments could be flooded with safety?

[00:27:03]I beg your pardon, sir. I misunderstood your question. The ship was especially constructed to float with two compartments full of water.

[00:27:13]She was constructed to float with two compartments full of water?

[00:27:17]The ship was specially constructed so that she would float with any two compartments full of water. I think I am right in saying that there are very few ships. Perhaps I had better not say that, but I will continue now that I have begun it. I believe there are very few ships today of which the same can be said. When we built the Titanic, we had that especially in mind. If this ship had hit the iceberg stem on, in all human probability, she would have been here today.

[00:27:50]If she had hit the iceberg head-on, in all probability, she would be here now.

[00:27:58]I say in all probability that ship would be have been afloat today.

[00:28:04]So, let's analyze what's been said. A small revealing slip, mid boast about the ship, he hears himself.

[00:28:13]Perhaps I had better not say that, but I will continue, he says, now that I have begun it. For an instant, the witness catches the salesman in himself and stops him.

[00:28:28]Then goes on anyway.

[00:28:31]And the boast is the company's defense, but is near certainty by a witness sure of almost nothing else. If this ship had hit the iceberg stem on, in all human probability, she would have been here today. And he says it a second time when it is put back to him. Both times his certainty has surfaced in the day on the explosion and here it has fallen on the soundness of the ship he built.

[00:29:08]Question.

[00:29:10]How did the ship strike the iceberg?

[00:29:13]From information I have received, I think she struck the iceberg a glancing blow between between the end of the forecastle and the captain's bridge just after the foremast, sir.

[00:29:28]Question.

[00:29:30]I understood you to say a little while ago that you were rowing with your back to the ship.

[00:29:36]If you were rowing and going away from the ship, you would naturally be facing the ship, would you not?

[00:29:43]No.

[00:29:44]In these boats, some row facing the bow of the boat and some facing the stern.

[00:29:51]I was seated with my back to the man who was steering so that I was facing away from the ship.

[00:30:01]You have stated that the ship was specially constructed so that she could float with two compartments filled with water. Yes.

[00:30:10]Is it your idea then that there were no two compartments left intact?

[00:30:16]That I cannot answer, sir. I am convinced that more than two compartments were filled as I tried to explain to you last night. I think the ship's build was ripped open.

[00:30:28]So, one aside that's worth catching.

[00:30:33]As I had Did you catch it? As I tried to explain to you last night, the sworn account was not his first. He had been over the damage with the committee the evening before. A guarded version stays sealed with nothing let show that it had been gone over before.

[00:30:54]Ismay dropped it in plainly that he had already told them once. He's not hiding that the record has a precursor. One more sign that there is no version being managed.

[00:31:08]Question, the ship had 16 compartments.

[00:31:10]I could not answer that, sir.

[00:31:12]Approximately. Approximately, that information is absolutely at your disposal. Our shipbuilders will give it to you accurately.

[00:31:20]Question, she was built that if any two of these compartments should be filled with water, she would still float? Yes, sir. If any two of the largest compartments were filled with water, she would still float.

[00:31:39]The dinner and the worst fact.

[00:31:46]An old charge dies in three words, and he walks into the answer a guilty man would avoid.

[00:31:54]Mr. Ismay, what time did you dine on Sunday evening? Ismay, at 7:30. With whom? With the doctor.

[00:32:03]Did the captain dine with you? He did not, sir.

[00:32:07]Sir, quietly, the most useful answer in the day. The oldest charge against Ismay is that he sat over dinner with Captain Smith and pressed him to drive the ship harder.

[00:32:20]Here, in three words, that charge dies.

[00:32:24]He did not, sir.

[00:32:26]First person frame, past tense, the specific act denied, and no hedge where he hedges everything else. This is what a true denial of an act that never happened sounds like.

[00:32:46]When you went to the bridge after this collision, was there any ice on the decks?

[00:32:52]I saw no ice at all. No and no icebergs at all until daylight Monday morning.

[00:33:06]Do you know whether any people were injured or killed from ice that came to the decks?

[00:33:14]I do not, sir. I heard ice had been found on the decks, but it is only hearsay.

[00:33:21]I think I asked you, but in case it appears that I have not, I will ask you again. Were all of the women and children saved? I am afraid not, sir.

[00:33:34]What proportion were saved? I have no idea. I have not asked. Since the accident, I have made very few inquiries of any sort.

[00:33:45]Let's analyze this.

[00:33:48]Then he walked straight into the worst fact there is. Asked whether all the women and children were saved, he does not reach for cover.

[00:33:57]I am afraid not, sir.

[00:33:59]We don't have the hedge, the flinch, the over-explanation, the unnecessary words, the justification.

[00:34:13]He steps into the answer cleanly.

[00:34:24]He has been avoiding the world, hasn't he? That we cannot deny.

[00:34:31]And the line after it, I have not asked since the accident, I have made very few inquiries of any sort. The man whose ship has killed some 1,500 people has barely asked how.

[00:34:45]The natural drive to know is simply absent.

[00:34:51]Read first, and rightly, as grief.

[00:34:55]He cannot bear to look.

[00:34:58]He cannot bear to ask.

[00:35:05]Question.

[00:35:08]Did any of the collapsible boats sink to your knowledge after leaving the ship?

[00:35:13]No, sir.

[00:35:18]Senator Newlands.

[00:35:20]The close.

[00:35:22]The wireless charge answered with an alibi, and one last unprompted line.

[00:35:29]Question.

[00:35:30]What was the full equipment of lifeboats for a ship of this size?

[00:35:36]I could not tell you that, sir.

[00:35:38]That is covered by the Board of Trade regulations. She may have exceeded the Board of Trade regulations for all I know. I could not answer that question.

[00:35:47]Anyhow, she had sufficient boats to obtain her passenger certificate, and therefore she must have been fully boated according to the requirements of the English Board of Trade, which I understand are accepted by this country.

[00:36:03]If Is Is that not so, General?

[00:36:10]Mr. Umlah, yes.

[00:36:13]Senator Smith.

[00:36:15]Mr. [snorts] Ismay, did you in any manner attempt to influence or interfere with the wireless communications between the Carpathia and other stations? No, sir. I think the captain of the Carpathia is here and he will probably tell you that I was never out of my room from the time I got on board the Carpathia until the ship docked here last night. I never moved out of the room.

[00:36:41]Question: How were you dressed? Were you completely dressed when you went into the lifeboat? I had a suit of pajamas on, a pair of slippers, a suit of clothes, and an overcoat.

[00:36:55]How many men, officers, and crew were there on this boat?

[00:37:01]There were no officers.

[00:37:04]I mean the officers of the ship.

[00:37:06]How many officers were there on the ship?

[00:37:10]Yes, and how many in the crew?

[00:37:14]I think there were seven officers on the ship. And how many in the crew? I do not know the full number of the crew. There were seven officers or nine officers.

[00:37:25]There are always three officers on watch.

[00:37:28]And how many men were in the lifeboat with you?

[00:37:32]Oh, I could not tell. I suppose nine or 10.

[00:37:37]Do you know who they were? I do not.

[00:37:40]Mr. William Carter, a passenger, was one. I do not know who the others were.

[00:37:46]Third-class passengers, I think. In fact, all the people on the boat, as far as I could see, were third-class passengers.

[00:37:57]So, let's examine what's been said.

[00:38:01]Asked whether he interfered with the Carpathia's wireless, he answers not with the act, but with his whereabouts.

[00:38:09]I was never out of my room.

[00:38:11]I never moved out of the room, he says.

[00:38:14]He proves where he was rather than denying what he did.

[00:38:20]The lawyer's form of a denial.

[00:38:23]This is unusual for him.

[00:38:25]And it is the one place in the whole day his answers take that shape.

[00:38:33]Worth marking that the alibi was checkable and checked out. The form is soft, the fact behind it held.

[00:38:45]And one last line, unprompted.

[00:38:48]All the people on the boat, as far as I could see, were third-class passengers.

[00:38:53]Said without anyone asking who they were. A man whose name stood for the first class, pointing out that the boat he took held the steerage, not his own kind ushered ahead of them.

[00:39:07]Read it as you will. He offers it himself for you to read as you will.

[00:39:15]Question.

[00:39:16]Did they all survive and were they all taken aboard the Carpathia? They all survived, yes.

[00:39:26]You have indicated your willingness to supply the committee with any data or information that may be necessary regarding the construction and equipment of this vessel.

[00:39:37]Any information or any data the committee may wish is absolutely at their disposal.

[00:39:43]Question. And you have indicated your willingness to meet our full committee at any time you wish so.

[00:39:50]And I suppose this includes the surviving officers. Certainly, sir.

[00:39:54]Anybody that you wish is absolutely at your disposal.

[00:39:58]What are your own immediate plans? I understand that depends on you.

[00:40:04]Question.

[00:40:05]I thank you in behalf of my associates and myself for responding so readily this morning and for your statements.

[00:40:14]And I am going to ask you to hold yourselves subject to our wishes during the balance of the day. For the convenience of the captain of the Carpathia, I am going to call him at this time.

[00:40:26]Ismay, I am entirely at your disposal at any time, sir.

[00:40:33]So, the captain of the Carpathia is now called as the next witness.

[00:40:42]And this was him walking towards the Senate committee to give evidence.

[00:40:52]This is day four after the sinking.

[00:40:58]So, what does the statements show so far before we do the science?

[00:41:05]If you lay the answers side by side, and one pattern runs under them all. He remembers the ship to a single revolution, and the people barely at all. More than a dozen times he fixes a fact about the vessel to the number 68 revolutions out of Cherbourg, 70 to Queenstown, the 546 mile run, the room marked B52, the speed she would work up to. Turn the questions to the human side, the time she sank, how long the boats took, how many were in them, how many were saved, the same man answers more than 30 times over.

[00:41:50]I could not say. I have no idea. I have not asked. The memory that holds the engine to the revolution goes dark on the people. His recall works like a fine gauge, and it is pointed at the ship.

[00:42:11]Then the deeper silence in 3 and 1/2 thousand words of sworn evidence about the worst loss of life the sea had seen.

[00:42:21]He never once says that anyone died.

[00:42:25]The ship sank.

[00:42:28]The ship went down.

[00:42:31]The people are only not saved. There is a verb for the vessel and none for the dead. The one death word spoken all day is the senator's, not his.

[00:42:47]And the ship will not stay in the past.

[00:42:49]The full speed of the ship is 78. She works up to 80. Had she struck head-on, she would have been here today.

[00:43:01]His grammar keeps the vessel alive while the human dead get a turned back and an averted eye.

[00:43:12]While his language reaches for precision and care, it has found the ship.

[00:43:20]Where it goes vague and silent, it has found the people.

[00:43:27]One thing sits outside even this. He calls his presence on the ship natural.

[00:43:34]The working up of her speed natural.

[00:43:38]The order of women first natural.

[00:43:42]The one act he never calls natural is his own stepping into the boat.

[00:43:49]The word that smooths every hard fact for him deserts him at the single fact that was his to answer for. None of this is the shape of a lie.

[00:44:02]A man building a defense keeps the dead in view and works around them.

[00:44:09]This man cannot look at them at all. The precision, the present tense, the care for the vessel are where his grief went when the people became more than he could face.

[00:44:25]Veriscope looks for the mark of a constructed account and under all 3 and 1/2 thousand words there is none.

[00:44:36]We are hearing memory recall.

[00:44:45]So, that brings us to the end of today's examination and then we'll continue with the end with part four.

[00:44:54]Bear in mind, we have a man whose desire is to be seen as a passenger, to be seen as the person who helped the women and the children into the boat, to be seen as the last man on the deck, and to be seen as the man who stepped down into the last lifeboat on that side of the ship.

[00:45:19]And seen as the man who didn't push for faster revolutions because a ship needs to be running.

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