😳 What the Forensic Psychiatrist noticed about Mackenzie Shirilla👇

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[00:00:00]Is McKenzie Sharilla dangerous? Does she have a split personality?

[00:00:04]>> I mean, you were saying my diagnosis and yes, I think she's a psychopath, but also I think she's a borderline personality >> and that is how and why she was acting the way she was with her boyfriend.

[00:00:16]>> Well, the McKenzie Sharilla that you see in the Netflix documentary, clearly not the same person that is incarcerated behind bars serving two life sentences.

[00:00:26]That's evident at the end of the documentary. We'll talk about it. And it's also very clear with the fellow inmates that I've interviewed, you're going to hear from them. And you're also going to hear from a 20-year experienced expert witness, a forensic psychiatrist who gives her diagnosis as to this inmate behind bars and how dangerous she really is. But first, do me a favor. Hit the like, hit the subscribe, and share this episode. Now, the case of McKenzie Sharilla.

[00:00:56]Here to help break it all down, we have a very special guest. We have Dr. Carol Lieberman, forensic psychiatrist, author, and probably the best expert witness that there is. Um, nice to see you. We're talking about this case that has really blown up with the Netflix documentary, The Crash, McKenzie Sharilla. And my question to you is going to be, are we dealing with someone that's very dangerous and someone that has a split personality? Because in the documentary, she tries to be perceived as a certain kind of way. So, let me talk about that at first. Um, in the documentary, quote, she says, "It's really hard every day in here. I try to wake up and be the best person that I can be every day. Stay out of trouble."

[00:01:46]both of their families. This is not intentional and I will do everything that I can to prove to the world and to the families and that's it. There's not a moment that doesn't pass where I don't think about Dom and Dave. So, you know, your initial thoughts on just those kind of statements of of remorse almost from from someone that's serving 15 years to life, two sentences.

[00:02:12]>> I don't believe it. Um this is a woman who was an influencer. Um she had you know all these different videos online.

[00:02:22]Um she the the thing that I think is uh important is that it was just a few weeks before this crash that um her boyfriend sent her a text which implied that he was going to be breaking up with her. And I think that this was really consciously or unconsciously. I think really consciously um this was her way to to get back at him to not have him break up with her. Um you know, I'll I'll show you. I I think this was definitely uh intentional. And you know, there are these these phone call tapes of her with her mother talking about maybe Kim Kardashian is going to come and and uh um you know, show that I'm she's going to help me get out of jail.

[00:03:07]Uh Kim has already said no, but that's what that was her fantasy. Um and and um you know really I mean I think that she is a psychopath. Let me just make it make it simple. Um I think she's a psychopath because so many of the things that she has done and said um are in that vein. And I don't think that, you know, I I mean when she was on the phone with her mother, for example, um and they were talking about the movie The Crash and she was saying that um you know that like she was so happy that she was famous and that seemed to be her, you know, her reward for what she did.

[00:03:49]>> Well, I have a bit of one of those phone calls and I want to get your take on the other side.

[00:03:54]>> Want to enjoy life there, but like it's just sad. Like I don't know. No, that's a rehabilitated. See, that's how jail is supposed to rehabilitate people, >> but I don't need to be rehabilitated.

[00:04:04]Like, I don't need that. Like, >> I know you don't.

[00:04:06]>> Like, I want to live off the grid. Like, and I'm I'm just thinking about like how I'm just going to be like old when I get out of jail. And like I don't know like I'm not going to be able to have kids or like a family like that.

[00:04:17]>> I'm just scared they're going to be like you have the death penalty or you're going to life for 40 years.

[00:04:21]>> I know.

[00:04:24]>> Well, let us let us fight. Let us do what we're doing. Okay.

[00:04:30]>> Just living right now.

[00:04:33]>> Okay. So, that's one of those phone calls that you were talking about and and again, it's just someone that's really not taking accountability and it's very frightening because this should have shaken a person awake um to, you know, they should be feeling remorse. How should they be acting?

[00:04:51]Yes, it is shocking that um well, not necessarily shocking, but it goes along with being a psychopath that she is talking like this and um not really, you know, not really feeling any uh any remorse for the family or anything. In fact, she wrote a a text to uh her boyfriend's mother and she said that she, you know, she wishes she could remember what happened. She she's claiming that she blacked out and that she doesn't remember anything. And then another time she claimed that um it was a medical some kind of medical emergency. Um you know she's coming up with all these excuses but really uh it just seems like continuously um they are all al in the same line which is that that she really has no remorse that she really is a psychopath that really that really she just sees this as her way to get close to Kim Kim Kardashian.

[00:05:45]>> Yeah. And you know, um, I really wonder if she thinks that she has everyone fooled. She really thought that she had the producers of Netflix fooled for the crash, but then it was at the end where it was revealed, and it's come out, quote, "It's only after McKenzie finishes speaking that the filmmakers reveal that her attorney has been in the room the entire time." Her demeanor demonstrably shifts as she checks in on how she's coming across. "I don't want to force anything and just say too much or sound crazy," she says to her lawyer before turning back to the camera to say, quote, "I'm big on no intent. There was no intent whatsoever there. I have excessive amounts of remorse for Dominique and DaVon." I mean, what goes through your mind with that?

[00:06:38]>> Well, it's a performance. She's acknowledging that, you know, I don't want to seem this way. Well, you should seem how you are. You should seem your authentic self, whatever it is that you're feeling, not, you know, putting on a a mask.

[00:06:52]So, was it a performance? Also, I'm going to ask in court because again, we have these these competing narratives with her and almost split personality.

[00:07:02]Uh, let's watch her statement in elocution and it appears like she's crying, but we'll talk about it.

[00:07:08]>> There anyone else? I would like McKenzie to address the court.

[00:07:12]>> Mackenzie, you don't have to speak if you don't want to. It's up to you.

[00:07:15]>> Okay.

[00:07:17]>> You can sit if it's more comfortable.

[00:07:18]Whatever is better for you.

[00:07:21]>> Families.

[00:07:23]Oh, God. Davia, I'm so deeply sorry. I hope one day you can see I would never let this happen or do it on purpose. I wish I could remember what happened. I'm just so sorry. I'm heartbroken. I love D and Don. We were all friends and Don was my soulmate. I wish I could take all your pain away and I'm so sorry. And to my family, thank you for the support and all the love you guys give. Thank you for fighting with me. I love you all so much. You're welcome. Thank you.

[00:07:53]>> Thank you.

[00:07:57]>> So, talk to me about she had to prepare this statement. Um, is she choosing the words to fool the court? Does she think that she's fooling the court there?

[00:08:07]Yes. I mean, you know, I think that there is some degree of realization that she's not going to be with him anymore, you know, um that she misses him, but um you know, I think at that point everything is sort of crashing down on her and she's realizing that this is over, you know, that that um that she was found guilty. Um but I so you know some of the tears I think are real but um but she had planned it all out. You know there was so much more that she could have and should have said and and she didn't. Um >> are we dealing with a very dangerous person? Should she be in maximum security prison? Well, you know, there are have reports have come out um from people who are in prison with her and supposedly she is being very promiscuous um with women and um you know being like a like a diva. Um, and so, so some of the things in her personality, you know, this entitlement, this this I I'm uh narcissism, but they're still there, you know, and and um that is probably one of the reasons why uh her boyfriend wanted to break up with her, but um but she's not being, you know, she says, "I'm going to be this perfect prisoner," or words to that effect, but she isn't, you know, she's she's doing things um for herself. She's trying to um you know, play people for herself.

[00:09:39]>> Um is that survival to be devil's advocate here or is it still going along with um your suspected diagnosis here of her being a psychopath? Well, of course there's some survival um in it. Um you know, trying to trying to be friends with the most dangerous people and all that, but um but you know, I mean, you were saying my diagnosis and yes, I think she's a psychopath, but also I think she's a borderline personality.

[00:10:11]>> Yeah.

[00:10:11]>> And that is how and why she was acting the way she was with her boyfriend. And that is why he wanted to get rid of her.

[00:10:18]you know, he I mean, there were times when he would ask his mother to call her parents um to get her to get her out of his house. I mean, she was it seems like some she was somewhat of a stalker. Um but she just wanted to be with him and and apparently he couldn't he couldn't deal with all of her emotional highs and lows.

[00:10:39]>> Yeah. And you know, um, I recently spoke with Cat Crowder, who was in prison with her, and I'm going to play part of that, and you let me know if anything stands out from this interview. You see any remorse?

[00:10:53]>> Um, not at all. I never once saw her drop a tear or look distraught like she is in that clip. I believe she's appearing like that in court because it's hitting her that this is what her fate is. I mean, her nodding her head and saying, "No, in my perspective, it's more along the lines of still trying to continue that I didn't do it. This wasn't planned. It's whatever." And cuz in prison when I was there with her, never did I ever see a sad McKenzie. It was always somebody was very happy golucky chipper, smile on her face, laughing, strutting around the yard. It was never anybody who looked like that in the court hearing or like the Mackenzie that was in the Netflix documentary. It's all very different people, which I kind of think speaks on how she's able to kind of be like a chameleon, if that makes sense.

[00:11:56]>> Okay. So that kind of goes along with a lot of what you're saying.

[00:11:59]>> Doctorion is is one of the uh descriptors of borderline personality disorder that they're they're often described as a chameleon, you know, changing their um behavior and attitude and all that according to where they are to fit into where they are and to you know to um to do what they think they need to do in that time. is part of that having relationships when it's um people in prison because I also have a clip of her alleged um lover in prison that's been on social media kind of talking about their relationship and her demeanor in prison.

[00:12:38]Is that also a coping? Is that also just survival?

[00:12:44]>> Well, you're more generous than I am. I give people the benefit of the doubt.

[00:12:48]But >> I mean, you could say that, but um uh you know, but but I think there's just too much that shows that there is ill will behind it, you know, that there's some um malevolence behind it, not just that she's trying to stay alive. Um >> yeah, let's uh play part of that. This is from Cheyenne, and she posted these clips on social media. So, I'm going to play them and then you just let me know what you think on the other side.

[00:13:15]probably like a week or two shy on my out date when me and Mackenzie really started talking. I didn't walk up to her cuz like the way like she upheld herself and stuff is kind of like a mean girl or like like full Gina George radiating off her. Told me she woke up like >> Okay, first off, I'm going to pause it right there because we've heard a lot from people calling her a mean girl in prison. Your thoughts?

[00:13:43]>> Yes. Uh she was supposedly a fan of one of the actresses who was in the movie of Mean Girls and uh yes I I think that that would would describe her. Um you know she does have these different sides to her but I'm not saying multiple personality or anything but um but I think that that she may think that that's sometimes that that's the way to survive. But also um even with her boyfriend even before this this incident um I think she was she was sometimes a mean girl you know because she had these big um changes in personality these big emotions and um and some of that is some of the way that she's ways that she's protecting herself defensiveness is by being a mean girl.

[00:14:32]>> All right let's listen a little bit more. 500 a.m. every morning just to like do her makeup, her hair, and look good. He's telling me all this stuff like this. So, >> okay. So, I also heard from former inmate Cat Crowder, who I interviewed, also talking about the fact that she had a lot of makeup from commissary, and she would wake up very, very early to make sure that she put on the makeup and looked a certain way in prison. Uh, what does that tell you?

[00:15:03]Well, it's like the same thing as her being an influencer, you know, where they that's what they do to to uh to look as good as they can and to to be to be on all the time, you know, to be acting. You need your makeup to act like, okay, this girl, her boyfriend died that she planned on marrying. She said she has a condition and that she even went to um therapy to try to figure out what happened. So I'm like, "Okay, it's pulling at my heartstrings." Like, and she was showing me all the scars from the crash and all of that. And she's like, like, look at my body from what this happened. I would never purposely do that to myself. Still believe she could be innocent. But and then I just seen red flag after red flag.

[00:15:52]Okay. Red flag after red flag, she still could be innocent. That that's kind of surprising to hear from someone that kind of admits, hey, she kind of puts on a front, >> right? Um, you know, it's interesting because, uh, you know, these putting on the makeup and um and and wanting to have a certain wanting to give to it's almost it's like she's still I don't think she can from prison still do um social media, right?

[00:16:24]Still do videos. But it's like living in that sort of fantasy world where she still has she's the influencer, so she has to do all this, you know, she has to be ready to do all this. She's she's very sick and and yes, you know, people people who say that they don't need rehabilitation or that they're not mentally ill are the people who are most in need of rehabilitation and are are mentally ill. I mean, you know, in mentally ill and they're all different kinds of being mentally ill. But um now there is one interesting part to it though in that because she was so narcissistic um you you would think that she wouldn't want to do anything to herself that would make her have scars.

[00:17:09]You know, that part um is reasonable to to wonder why would she I mean, although maybe she just felt that she wasn't going to that she wasn't going to be injured because it was the way she went into the wall.

[00:17:23]>> Oh, really? I never thought about that.

[00:17:25]Maybe the way she tried to position the car.

[00:17:29]>> Yeah, because it was more it was the right side that got most of the damage.

[00:17:35]So, maybe >> I never thought about that. That is so diabolical. And so very very disturbing.

[00:17:43]>> Yes.

[00:17:44]>> Is there any hope for someone like that?

[00:17:47]>> There's always hope. There's always hope, but she she needs a lot of therapy. Years and years.

[00:17:54]>> Yeah.

[00:17:55]>> Um, you know, it's it's it's interesting that um that she did do it in this way.

[00:18:03]uh in my opinion that purposely that she did in this way and kind of I think well you know also they were on drugs. So part of the whole thing is that how much was she able to plan? I mean I think she planned these things in advance but how much was she able to regulate it you know how like how she went into the wall and um I mean surely she could do it so that she went in on the right side instead of the driver's side but um but she wasn't exactly 100% coherent and thinking straight.

[00:18:35]>> Yeah. And you know, there's talk about her having done a dry run in that area and the fact that in her other social media clips that are in the documentary, she's not wearing a seatelt, but she was that day. Um, yeah, she's very dangerous person, don't you think?

[00:18:54]>> Absolutely. Absolutely. I don't know if uh when it's time for her to be able to be parrolled. Um I I don't know that I don't think it's necessarily going to be a good thing, but you know, I I guess that will depend upon um well, it'll depend upon what she's doing in jail, you know, in prison now, um for in large part. But um you know it is I don't know how much she can improve herself, how much therapy she could get or how much or what she can do in the time that she has in prison to to improve herself where she wouldn't be so dangerous. I mean I she's going to be like um oh god what's the name of the woman in Arizona? Um >> Jod Aras. I' I've kind of called her that before.

[00:19:47]>> Yes. Um, so she's probably going to have men writing to her in prison and all that, but my my recommendation is that these men don't don't plan to meet up with her um in real life.

[00:20:00]>> Yeah. So, what does that look like when she goes up for parole? Do they take into account this Netflix documentary and how it ended at the end with with her looking over at stopping and then looking over at her attorney that's been there the whole time and then saying, you know, she doesn't want to come across a certain kind of way.

[00:20:22]>> Yeah. I think it's going to tell the um people who are judging whether she gets parole um telling them that this girl is acting, this girl may wants to present herself in a certain way. And so we we have to be really careful that this is how she really is. Um you know what what I think was interesting uh the fact that she did a a bench trial instead of a jury trial. Now, I don't know whether it would have been any different, whether the outcome would have been any different, but I mean, maybe somebody told her her or her lawyer thought that just having it be decided by the judge would be better because if there was a jury, they would hate her or, you know, I'm not sure whether that was what it was or or whether that was the right answer, you know. Um, I mean, >> it was very surprising because, you know, my time covering trials at Court TV and Coast to Coast, you know, at that point, what do you have to lose? So, you know, just roll the dice and see if maybe you can get a sympathetic ear on the jury, especially because she was such a such a young offender. Um, and they're going to take that into account even though they're not supposed to, but that's something that they have to see every day.

[00:21:36]>> Yeah. I mean, yes. I guess there is I'm not sure who who gave her that. When when I first read about that, I thought to myself, I don't think this was good advice.

[00:21:47]>> No.

[00:21:50]>> Because there probably could have been or maybe would have been one sympathetic ear.

[00:21:55]>> Yeah. Um what do you expect prison life is going to be like for her?

[00:22:02]>> H Well, she's going to be writing a book. Do you know that? um her mother was saying something to her about uh you know write your book or so I think she's thinking that um that that that's going to be another way to get fame after the after the um documentary you know after people have seen the documentary uh and that's not new than a book coming out and a book coming out in the way that she wants people to see this um I don't think her parents are going to come out well in her book I don't know, she's going to want to blame it on somebody.

[00:22:38]Um, so I'm not really sure whether she's going to uh claim I mean, obviously, it is true that uh whether she's a a borderline or a psychopath or whatever her problems are, they are she was only 17, they are uh caused by, you know, parents because those are the most influential people in your life. And so she may have things to say that would explain that, but but I don't see what would excuse her no matter what. I what could they have done that would excuse this?

[00:23:15]>> I guess the other question is, you know, she's probably she could be moved to a maximum security prison, especially after the things that she's accused of doing and running businesses behind bars and the evidence of that. But, um, do you think that she even survives making it to parole?

[00:23:32]Oh, yeah. I don't know.

[00:23:33]>> Or is she gonna make someone really mad in prison and that's going to be it?

[00:23:38]>> She could. She could. Um, but you know, when people are highprofile prisoners, they often get more protection, but you know, if she's being a mean girl, then yes, she's going to make her her cellmates or her prison mates um angry. So, but I I I mean, like Jodie Aras has survived Yeah, and that's another real winner right there. Um, I do want to end this conversation with focusing on the victims. Uh, Dominique Russo, who was 21, and DaVon Flanigan, who, um, was the friend that was killed and he was 20.

[00:24:18]Um, you know, their families end up with the true life sentence. And I always say this, um, and they're being revictimized right now by this psycho who took these young lives. What's your advice to the to the family dealing with all of this right now?

[00:24:35]>> Well, the families or at least one family um has made a a um a nonprofit um there were they are trying to give um I've heard two different things. one um a nonprofit to provide uh sneakers um for for Oh, no. Well, yes. PE to give equipment to people who are in want to be in sports in in school. But then the other one is um some kind of an award for people who want to be barbers.

[00:25:08]>> Oh, that's fantastic. you know, and trying to pay it forward with the memory of their loved one. But, you know, it's just got to be so hard for them right now because it's all about, you know, Mckenzie, Mackenzie, McKenzie right now.

[00:25:22]So, >> and one and and at least one family member um is working on getting a bill passed where she wouldn't be able to get um make money from whatever she does, you know, another film or a book or, you know, because because um when Son of Sam when the law was made with Son of Sam, um there wasn't the internet, you know, there many ways to promote this and so um So, they're trying to make a broader uh law against, you know, the the criminal doing. Um, >> that's fantastic. You know, I I know that in California, where I served as a journalist for a long time, uh you're not allowed to profit from your crimes, especially as heinous as this. So, hopefully get Ohio gets on board with uh stricter laws with that. Um Dr. Carol Lieberman, how can we get a hold of you?

[00:26:18]How can we follow you? You're fantastic.

[00:26:20]Oh, thank you. Um, well, they could go to my website, expertwitnessforensics psychiatrist.com.

[00:26:27]>> Okay. And I'm going to have that in the show notes. Thank you so much for your time.

[00:26:30]>> My pleasure. Thank you.

[00:26:32]>> For more on the case, please head to the video section of this YouTube channel and you can watch the full video, my interview with Cat Crowder, who was behind bars with McKenzie Sharilla, what she has to say. It's a very fascinating conversation. I'll keep you updated on the case. In the meantime, please take care of yourself.