Faith serves as a psychological and social framework that provides hope, community, and meaning, particularly for individuals facing hardship, though it may also limit critical thinking and practical planning; the value of religious belief depends on individual circumstances, socioeconomic factors, and personal needs rather than being universally beneficial or harmful.
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All right, we're going to go ahead and hit that live.
And we are live. All right, Spelly, how's it going? Um, thank you so much for joining. Are you at least 18? And do you think you could give me a good reason to believe in a god?
Yeah, I'm 26. And yeah, I have You think you could give me a good reason?
Yeah.
Cool. What is that reason?
I mean, I'll be good to you, but I think the good reason is that if we're wrong, then we have a lot to risk. And that if we're right, and there is no god, then it's nothing anyway.
Um, which god are you talking about?
I mean, any god, any higher power. But I believe in the Christian god, but I think that if you can build a higher power in your head, it can be substantially useful to your life.
It can be I'm not denying that it could be useful, but that doesn't mean that's a good reason to to believe it, right?
Because I can do the same thing with a pink unicorn. That'll be useful. But, um, my my main issue with what you're talking about before was that that's just Pascal's Wager, isn't it?
All right, can you explain Pascal's Wager to me? I'm a little uneducated.
Pascal's Wager is is basically that same thing. Like he he he asked that question of, you know, you should rather believe than than not believe. But the problem with that is that there are multiple different god concepts.
Um, you don't know which one of them is going to be right. Like for example, you you believe in the Christian god, but if I were to convert to that, according to the Muslims, I'm wrong and I'll be heading to hell. According to the Jews, I'm wrong and I'll be heading to their version of hell. According to the Hindus, that'll be wrong and I'll be heading to their version of hell. Which one is actually correct? That's the entire issue. Uh, that's what Pascal's Wager is all about.
Wow, that's a really good explanation.
Thank you.
You're not wrong. So, so like based off of that, I mean, you really wouldn't have any good reason to believe in God ever. So, I mean, you could just sit here and sit here all day and hear a bunch of [ __ ] right? And like, you're never going to really come to that conclusion unless you yourself come to that conclusion. So, it's kind of just a waste of time.
I would say that if someone were to give some sort of evidence, then yeah. And it's not a waste of time for me because I like I like to do these and I like to normalize uh people who look like me who are non-believers.
Um so >> sense. Yeah. So, like the only Um so, so, and that and my only argument for that would be Timothy, where in the Bible it talks about how Timothy had to see the hands of Jesus and had to see the holes to believe, and he needed evidence. And it says that it's better for those who believe and don't see than those who do see and believe because their faith is more genuine. So, like, I mean, I guess if you don't have faith in the context, then there really would be no reason to believe. Is faith um is faith really a virtue, though? Is faith like useful?
It's only useful if you yourself say it's useful.
I mean, um I I I I would say this, actually. Let me correct myself. Not that it's useful. Does it actually uh is it actually um I don't want to use the word useful.
Um can it actually >> Substantial? Not not substantial. Yeah, actually yeah, substantial. Can it actually get you to the truth? Is faith uh useful to get you to the truth?
Well, it's comes down to the thing if you seen something and try to explain it to somebody else, how could you explain it to them to where they believe you if they don't see it? Right. So, >> There's there's no there's no way.
There's no way It's it's a foolish game trying to do that. What I'm saying is that What I'm saying is that it's better to have evidence. If you saw something, right? Yes. Well, obviously. Right, cool. So, but the but the thing is what I'm saying is that the reason why I say faith is not very useful or substantial is because there are plenty of people who had faith in ancient times, right?
The Egyptians had faith that the sun was a dude with an eagle for a head rising in his bed, but that's not true, is it?
Well, yes, but you're coming to the conclusion that all faith is useless based off of the faiths that were useless.
Not necessarily.
>> me for me, real quick, real quick, for me it's like is it possible? So, for me it's like those people were putting their faith in the wrong thing or that just wasn't faith, but there's plenty of times that people have put their faith in stuff and it has worked out, but it doesn't mean that it was God in that sense. That just means that it was faith and it was always going to be like that.
>> Right, which means that faith is essentially a coin flip, which is not very useful.
>> person for the person that doesn't have substantial evidence. So, for somebody like me who does have substantial evidence in my own conclusion that I'm not able to prove to you, I am very sustained by my faith because I have seen continuous evidence of it, but that came with a cost, it came with a price.
It wasn't just free. I didn't just wake up one morning. Here's the problem. If you cannot prove it to me, then you don't have substantial evidence, you have hearsay.
No, no, that's what I just said. I said based off of my own conclusion. Sorry, you have to listen to the context of what I say. I said based off of my own conclusion.
>> What I'm saying is that if you simply say this is my own conclusion and it's and it's evidence enough for me, that's fine, but that's hearsay. That's not really evidence, that's not substantial evidence. But in my universe as well, that's the same argument you're giving me. We're We live in the same universe, my guy.
No, I know, but I'm saying in my own perception, the way I view the world, you are giving me the same argument against what I'm saying that I can give against yours.
>> I'm not giving an argument against you.
What I What What I'm saying is that you have a position and I'm saying that, okay, what is the evidence to fill your position? And you're saying, "Oh, well, it's just my opinion, man." That's not substantial for anything.
Well, yes. That was the conclusion of what we were talking about, but the whole objective was that faith was useless and I said it's only useless if there's no evidence for that person.
It's completely useless because faith is not evidence.
But it's been very useful for many people. There's plenty of evidence for that. You can to do many things. I mean, people had faith that they could build the Burj Khalifa and it was very difficult. That wasn't faith.
>> Yes. Architects believed Architecture doesn't take faith. Architecture takes math.
Okay. Well, I mean, you're right then.
Is this all this is going to be is just I'm wrong, you're right? It's not going to be an I'm I'm I'm wrong, you're right. We're just having a a discussion.
Like you you are the definite you obviously understand that architecture is a thing, right?
No, I I I agree with you. Right. So, building the Burj Khalifa is not something that that that was based on faith. It was based on math, architecture. Well, I just was saying that somebody believed that it could be done and it was very difficult to build and it got done. So, I believe that takes a matter of faith that it was going to happen. Um it's not about [clears throat] believing it could be done. It literally could be done because we have the materials for it. So, they knew it could be done. We just had to figure it out.
Same thing with space elevators. Space elevators are possible to do.
We have technology for it.
>> just a mindless way of thinking to me. I think it's a lot more extraordinary than that. It's not a mindless way of thinking, bro. Well, then you're saying and yeah, this is a discussion. Hold on, but listen to what I'm saying. Right.
Listen to what I'm saying. Listen to me.
When it comes to the Burj Khalifa, what did what did what do we need to know for for us to build the Burj Khalifa? That's one out of a thousand examples. I I got you. I got you. But listen to what I'm saying. Let's just take that as a Let's just take that example.
If if people didn't just sit back and say, "Wow, I really really believe I could build a big tower." and went out across their day, right? What did they do to actually build it? They said, "We need materials. We need manpower. We need the the certain mathematics to make sure that the base doesn't swing the the swing the windows that swing too hard and the top you know falls over the base. All that takes you know certain like geometry and all that right exactly. So what I'm saying is what I'm getting at is that faith is not substantial to build anything to do anything. You need something else because if I had faith that I'm going to be a billionaire tomorrow am I going to be a billionaire tomorrow?
Like I said it's up to faith. It's not always substantial based off of the circumstances.
I need you to answer my question. If I have faith right now that I'm going to be a billionaire tomorrow, will I be a billionaire tomorrow?
Sorry I thought I answered clearly with what I said but the answer was no. No exactly. So what do you what do I need to do to make a billion dollars?
Well what I believe is that faith without works is dead faith. So if you don't put work towards your faith then you're never going to have anything.
Exactly. I I agree with that. I'm not I'm not disagreeing. I agree with that.
So that means that faith is not enough.
>> biblical. Yeah there's lots of things in the Bible that I could agree with.
Like thou shall not murder I agree with that.
That doesn't make that the Bible is substantially true.
There are things that I agree with like it does have good lessons like I don't have a problem with that. But what what I'm saying is that yeah faith without works is dead which is why I'm saying that you don't just go off of faith on things. You need something else.
Always. Right now you need to actually see that it's going to be worth it. You need to make sure you have the materials and the actual things. You know if you're just going to go blindly then yes you can expect nothing. Yeah you actually have to do something. Agreed.
Yeah I never said you didn't. All [clears throat] right great. So that that that that that's what I'm saying faith is not substantial for anything.
You need more.
Well I just disagree.
I mean it's just a discussion right? You just said that if I have faith I'm going to be a billionaire tomorrow it will not happen unless I do something.
Yeah but that doesn't make faith useless overall.
It is. It's basically useless. Faith is the substance of things that are believed in and not seen.
>> I know.
So, if I believe that I'll have a baby and I don't see it and then I go and I put in the work to have a baby and then you say that faith is useless but yet I look at my son.
So, I did just It doesn't make sense.
>> you actually do something to have the baby?
Yeah. There you go.
Your faith didn't make the baby. Your faith didn't make the baby. You did.
Okay, well, what about the times I failed?
Then um then there was then there was just an issue. There was There was just an issue. Either it was the wrong ovulation time or >> I I I think that it's up to fate. I believe in fate. I believe that everything happens for a reason, that everything's going to happen the way it's going to happen no matter what we do about it.
I don't know what that means.
It's quite simple. It's preschool.
You're very smart. You can easily grasp your mind around that. No, I have no I have no idea what you mean. What What do you mean by that?
Okay.
>> [sighs] >> Well, I I honestly came up here with um pure intention. I'm just trying to discuss this well as you but I also don't think that you have the capacity to understand even the basics.
Okay, so you think because I disagree with you I'm stupid?
No. No, I'm saying that because you asked me to understand what I just said and it was super basic. That was my conclusion based off of the evidence.
No, like not it What you said wasn't basic. You put a bunch of words together but it didn't make sense to me. That's why I asked you what do you mean by that. You You understand that you can put words together and they can make sense to you in your mind but I'm not understanding what you're trying to put across. So, when I ask you for clarification, that doesn't mean I can't understand you. That just means I need clarification >> the same way this whole time and you've been answering me. So, I think you would understand. that >> sentence you made, I didn't understand what you meant. That's Okay. Okay. Can you repeat the last sentence to me? No, because now we're so far off of it.
>> Okay. So, you didn't really care, right?
>> No, I did actually care. That's why I asked you, "What do you mean?"
>> you'd remember. You'd know I said >> how that works, bro. That's not how that works.
You can't defend an argument where you don't know what you're talking about.
>> 305-787-5641.
Can you repeat that?
065-587-7641.
>> I said 305. Exactly. So, you That's what I mean. Just because I didn't remember what you just said.
I understand that. I'm just trying to demonstrate something. Just because I'm trying to demonstrate something to you.
Just because I don't remember what you just said doesn't mean that I don't care or I wasn't listening to what you just said. What I'm trying to What I'm trying to get across to you is that your last statement that you made, I did not really get It didn't come across to me.
So, I'm asking you to just repeat that last sentence.
>> I'm just asking you >> it, either, cuz it wasn't important to me, either. I honestly thought to myself, "Okay, he's going to get it.
He's going to answer me. We can move on." And then it didn't happen, so then I forgot. I was like, "Oh, it really wasn't that Yeah, it didn't happen, so I'm just I was just asking, "Hey, what do you mean?" I don't I didn't understand what you meant by that.
That's all I was asking, bro. It doesn't have to be anything It doesn't have to be anything Smelly. Smelly. Smelly. Smelly. Smelly.
Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. It doesn't necessarily cuz listen, I want to have a genuine conversation with you, right?
I'm not trying to gaslight you or trap you or anything like that. You don't have to do all this, bro.
>> I don't believe you are. I I never said that.
>> cool. So, when you say I don't have the capacity to understand you, why be rude?
I just didn't understand what you said.
>> You're going to take that as rude. To me, it wasn't rude. Just like Just like how you can't understand >> Saying I don't have the capacity to understand the basic concept.
>> what you just said. Saying I don't have the capacity to understand I know. I know.
>> Saying I don't have the capacity to understand is very rude.
I understand that, and I'm sorry. I didn't know that that was rude to you.
So, I am now saying sorry, but in the moment, I didn't think that that was rude because on my own mindset, that's not rude. That's just me being honest.
No, it's rude.
Okay, well it won't happen again then. I agree.
We have um what else you want to talk about? You have anything else?
I believe that the best reason to believe in God is your own security knowing that you are well. And I you know, I have a peace about me where I just feel secure and I believe that there's many good reasons. I could sit here all day and give you a hundred reasons, five hundred reasons, you know, just all the good things that we have in life even though we're suffering. You know, if God was all bad, then we would not have anything good. We would not have love or peace or any joy or anything to smile about. It would just be bad all the time. Not necessarily.
Can I have peace and love without believing in a God?
Well, where does it stem from? That's what I wonder. I I wonder where you can get Yeah, go ahead. I'm sorry. Go ahead.
Oh, you're good.
I just wonder where it stems from. Like I wonder where we can get that if there's no God and there's no creator or anything. Like how do we come up with consciousness and all that? Why are all the other animals driving cars and conscious and doing stuff we're doing?
Why are we the only species that is at this level?
You know?
Well, when it comes to to human beings like we we evolved in a certain way for us to exchange information the way that we do and we'll be we were able to to have like think abstractly in certain ways. But that doesn't mean that other animals don't have consciousness, right?
Other animals do know what they are and even who they are. But how?
Ever since the beginning animals they already knew what to do. Right.
>> They already have it instinctively. Like they just know. Like the bird doesn't have to even worry. Smelly, hold on.
Like sure.
>> Are they not spectacular to me at all?
>> Smelly, I'm trying to I'm trying to answer you.
When it comes to to other species of animals, they are taught things, right?
Like they are taught things by their parents.
Just like how we're taught things by our parents.
But what about the original parents?
What do you mean the original parents?
So like imagine millions of years ago, right? Like the first bird or the first fish or whatever. Like how did they know? There was no first bird or first fish.
Like evolution is popu- >> from?
Where did everything stem from then, according to you?
Oh, like the >> Was it bacteria or was it the universe or life?
Just life in general. Like how we got billions of trillions of different species of insects and mammals and sea life and everything just out of what?
Life very um um life um very very very very likely started from single-celled organisms in the ocean.
And then they just kept making penguins and elephants and whales? Well, penguins didn't pop up in the in in the in the record until about I think 500,000 years ago. So it's all about like evolution, right? Like evolution is population genetics and changing of on allele frequencies over time.
Hey bro, do you do you want to go ahead and come back later and um and because I know you you're with your son now. I can listen to you and listen to my son at the same time. I'm very good at multitasking. You're talking about how little tiny bacteria made its way across the universe somehow and made elephants. That's what I said.
Yeah, made everything out of nothing.
That's what I said.
Oh yeah, oh you're right. I wasn't really paying attention. I'll just go back another time. This is useless.
All right, cool. You want you want to come back later?
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Give me 1 second, guest. I'm bringing you up right now, all right?
There it is.
All right, we have Tinaman coming up.
And Dr. Glam, go ahead and come on up.
Let's Let's go ahead and talk about that. All right, Dr. Glam, go ahead and come on up.
All right.
Tinaman, how's it going, Tinaman? Are you at least 18? And uh you want to talk Do you think you gave me a good reason to believe in a god?
Yeah, bro. I'm like your age, 39, close to 40.
Cool. Do you think they give me a good reason to believe in a god?
Yeah, bro, because we black, right? And the feds got this thing called a pre-crime checklist now, where if you have any type of anti-Christian sentiments, they put you on this pre-crime watchlist, bro. I thought it was [ __ ] till my boy told me about it and I went and looked it up to find out they did it again. Yeah, that's true.
>> Now he seriously under the microscope.
So, I guess since this dude um Charlie whatever his name is, you know, got on the live, Mhm. they've been on some stuff like, "Oh, well, we got to get out all the rhetoric that's anti this and anti that and anti this." So, Mhm.
Yeah, just be careful as a black man, yo, cuz they they they on they [ __ ] man. Just remember that. Oh, yeah. Yeah, they No, no, um you right. We got to be on our Ps and Qs. We got to be on our [ __ ] I do agree with that. I wouldn't say that that's a that's a good reason to to believe in a god, but that's just a good reason to be vigilant, right?
Yeah, bro, [snorts] because it's like they trying to ostracize certain type of thinking out of society. Don't you see somebody is putting a lot of resources behind keeping a narrative out of status quo? Mhm.
So, what you think going to happen if you come and rock the boat?
Oh, yeah, they they they come after us.
Yeah, I mean, yeah, we have to be careful. This is what I would say, right? Uh black people living under this certain regime, under this regime, we have to be extremely careful because we see what they're doing, right? They're trying to take us back to Jim Crow or at the moment we're at Jim Crow 2.0 already as a matter of fact. So, yeah, honestly we have to be careful, we have to be vigilant. Uh we as black men, let's go ahead and protect our families and our community, let's protect the black women, let's protect um the disabled, let's protect um our LGBTQ brothers and sisters. We have to go ahead and and protect them as the leaders of our community if we're going to be the leaders, right? So, like I 100% I 100% agree with you there. I'm but I'm more talking about the >> I'm I'm I'm saying think about it. If you come and say that I don't believe in God and the Bible is fake and churches a scam and a hustle and the pastor man drive a taxi for a living, right?
They got a pre-crime database to put you in, bro. Like yo, what type of Nah, bro. They went too far now, bro.
This this is crazy, bro. No, I I I agree with you. Right right now the regime is going crazy and we do have to be careful. I agree with you there. Um but I'm going to go ahead and get someone else up because this is more about religion than it is about politics, but I do appreciate you being here.
Not a problem at all. Thank you so much.
All right, guys. I'm going to go ahead and put some more time on the clock cuz I'm going to go ahead and bring up Anderson to the stage. Anderson was here yesterday, so we're going to go ahead and talk more with with Anderson.
Anderson, how's it going, my friend?
Uh you did say to me yesterday that you were at least 18. Too bad we didn't get a chance to talk too much yesterday. Um you said that you're at least 18 and what is a good reason to believe in a God?
I guess yeah.
Hey man, how you doing today? I'm all right. Um [clears throat] Yeah, I guess I I kind of wanted to come back and kind of maybe this is more of a maybe intellectual interest type of thing.
Um when you say give you a reason to believe in God, like are you asking a reason like like real evidence to suggest that this being exist or um more like a practical reason why if whether God exists or not, it's not relevant, it's just if you want to live a certain type of life that may be a good reason. I'm I'm just trying to understand like where your question's coming from or if you're talking about more of a good reason to actually believe that God exists regardless of if you just want a good reason because you want to live a good life.
Regardless if God is like a you know like >> I would say I I lean more towards the first because when it comes to the second, we can live a superb life without believing in a God in in in the first place, right? So, it's not it's not necessary for you to believe in God in order for you to live some sort of moral good righteous life that has drive, purpose, etc. So, it's more along the first line of it than the second.
Okay. I guess would you mind if I tried to persuade you?
Again, I I don't know if and I like I don't necessarily buy 100%.
Again, this is more of an interest.
Um would you mind if I tried to persuade you along the first line?
Or would you like me to just stick to the second? Like with the with the with the with the evidence. I mean, yeah, sure. If you think that there's some sort of good evidence, yeah, sure.
Well, so so like so like okay, like a good reason for someone to believe in God.
Whether something is true or not, can you give a a high quality reason if if your end goal is to be happy, is to live a long, is to live a life of um like a lack of depression and to feel like you can thrive regardless if God is true or not. If you want to live that type of life, I think believing in I think you could give reasons why you may want to kind of cultivate that belief even if God is not real because you know, ultimately, you don't care about what's real or true, you simply want to be as happy and and as and I kind of stave off as much depression as possible.
But if you're not looking at it from that perspective, then we don't have to have that type of conversation. Yeah, the the the reason I looked at it from that perspective is cuz like even though I do get that, right? And I I do get that people um use religion for that.
Like I've met people who are uh what you would call cultural Christians. They only like uh do that or push it cuz they see that it's easier to get people to get community around it, which is true. It really is easy to get community if you have a religion, all right? So, like it's easier if you do that. I get that part, right? But, the reason why I don't go along that line is because again, as we said, that's not necessary to do. Um you you see what I mean? So, you can still cultivate uh uh a good life or good um morals or good community um the communities that aren't harmful um without a a god belief. Like secular humanism is a thing, right? Secular morality, that is a thing that that exist. You know what I mean? The Secular Therapy Project, everything like that.
All that's still are things that that that exist, right? So, we don't necessarily have to have the supernatural god belief in order to uh push humanity towards well-being. You can just believe in well-being because you want well-being for yourself. Um that's why that's the reason why I don't go more for that for that line because it it it doesn't seem necessary. Now, if if it comes across a time where we're able to gather up enough data data to say that, okay, it is necessary, then that's something I may consider. But, right now, the reason I don't consider it much is because it doesn't seem necessary. I hope that all makes sense.
No, I think it does. I just feel like there's a like with all due respect, there's a bit of uh maybe like a minor contradiction Mhm. because you seem to emphasis on the race part of not being religious a lot. It's it's it seems to be kind of salient and important. And the race part specifically um the black, you know, atheism part. And when you look at black people, you know, you know, pretty much across the globe for the most part, the type of lives that they live tend to, you know, encompass much more hardship, much more, you know, tragedy, heartbreak, um much more striving.
And I think that the God belief, it's not just it leads to happiness, but I think it it it staves off depression, it staves off a lot of um real ailments that can happen, you know, cognitively and, you know, psychologically that could lead to death and a very low quality of life.
And that's and and that group of people is totally separate from, you know, wealthy white Americans or white, you know, Westerners who they have the luxury to kind of decide if they want to believe or not believe in God simply because of the privilege that their life, you know, entails. And even, you know, you or I for the most part, we may not be white, but for the most part, we kind of live a a certain life of privilege. But when I'm talking about my ancestors or, you know, my relatives that live in Haiti like currently right now, um when you say give them a good reason to believe in God, I think I think the reason the good reason for them to believe in God is not going to be a scientific reason, it's going to be because hope I want you exactly to have a certain amount of strive and effort because they don't have that protection that the rest of us have. That's why there's something that you had talked about uh the other night where you said that you wanted to kind of remove, you know, religiosity and religion from the black community, and I think that in the long run, that may that has the potential to do more harm because of the circumstances that a lot of those people's lives like live in, not just in America, but just globally.
So I I'm I'm kind of curious on your thoughts there. So, so I think it's there's a good reason to believe in God depending on the type of life that you live and kind of where you fall on the spectrum of of just pain and suffering. Yeah. Got you.
I have um well, I think I have three points to say to that. Well, probably four. You know, so so yeah, that's that's one thing. But uh yeah, that's that's my that's my fellow Haitian here, y'all. So, um here's here's here's some things I would say to that.
Growing up in the in the Haitian church, right? One thing that I've seen a lot is that even though uh faith gave all these people a lot of hope, what I also saw is that it caused a lot of damage um to their well-being as well.
Lack of forthright thinking and lack of critical thinking.
Meaning that a lot of times folks did not plan ahead simply because of faith.
Simply because of what going to You see what I mean? Like God is going to do something for me. So, there was no forthright thinking. They didn't plan ahead at all. Like I have um a very good story that I remember was um a woman who just came to to to United States, right?
She was going through a whole bunch of things in in in Haiti.
She finally got her visa to come to the United States.
And my sister, who was working in the hospital at that time, set her up with Medicaid.
My sister told her, "Listen, you have a visa. You cannot go back to Haiti and visit yet.
You have to be here for a certain amount of time in order for you to have a visa that can go back and forth. If you go back now, you won't be able to come back to the United States, and your daughter is here.
So, do not go back to Haiti right now.
Stay here and go back to Haiti when your visa when you get a a permanent residency or something like that because the visa you have, you can't go back and forth.
She said, "God is going to make a way."
And she went.
This was back in 2010.
And she hasn't been back since. You see what I'm saying? So, just having that faith she was here in the United States, you know what I mean?
Being able to come here and being able to build up her life with her daughter, and now her daughter is stuck here. And she's she hasn't seen her mom in 15 years. All because of God will make a way. You see what I'm saying? Now, that's just a small uh story, but it's a it's a very important one that stuck in my mind. I think it was one of the one of the first times I that I saw how faith can be damaging. You see what I'm saying? There's also the lack of critical thinking um that that I that I see. Um because like uh this is something that that comes up with all the time, especially in my lives, where people talk uh when people want me to explain to them evolution, uh the Big Bang, uh you know, plate tectonics. So, I look at them, I'm like, "Y'all, I have to be an expert in biology, an expert in actual physics, an expert in cosmology, and geology, and physics, and chemistry, and all you have to all you have is a book that says in the beginning, and you're right and I'm wrong." You know what I'm saying? Zero critical thinking at all. Like, they they do not critically think. So, these are the ways where I I'm I see that yeah, I can see how faith gives them hope, but in a lot of ways, especially within our culture, I see how faith can be very, very damaging. No forward by thinking, no critical thinking, like it all goes out the window. If it goes against these certain verses, out the window. You see what I'm saying? And that's not how you critically think or you um repair your society.
That really doesn't happen in America like that. Like, the faith doesn't take away critical thinking, which is why a lot of people, especially a lot of black people, would say, "I don't think a lot of white people even do be believe in God." Because a lot of a lot of white folks, even though they're on this whole evangelical, you know, Christian nationalism um stick, they really take, you know, uh they they really do take evidence except except when it comes to Trump. But, for most things, they're going to take evidence. You see what I'm saying? So, it it's like they the critical thinking is still there for them for at least halfway. You know, we have the COVID thing and the the Trump thing, so that's critical thinking is is going away for some reason. But, they're they're still going to critically they're they're they're still going to plan ahead. You see what I'm saying? And you don't see that a lot with all with all our all cultures. That leads me to the second thing that that that I would say where when it comes to hope and everything like that, right? I do get it. I have no problem with that. I I understand having the hope is is why they hang on to it for. But, as I said in the in the beginning, is a belief in a God necessary for you to have hope?
It really isn't because I have hope. I have hope that, you know, um the conditions of black people, not just in America, but around the world will get better because we've seen this every single time. Every people's group who have been on the bottom barrel of every society, they always rise up. You know what I mean? And this has been our our conditions for hundreds of years. Like, black people are very very rebellious.
We don't stay down for long. Even if we're brainwashed, other generations, they pick up. They pick up. They pick it up. So, me we may not see reparations from France, but I think our grandkids would see it because they're going to fight for it. You see what I'm saying?
So, every generation picks it up. That which is why I have hope because of what we've seen from before. You see what I mean? Um now, I know that was a lot. I I I did say a lot, but just to wrap every everything up, um I get how faith and religion can give people hope, but the two things that I would say is that, number one, it can also be very very I'm very very damaging um by causing a lack of critical thinking lack of forthright thinking, which means that in our societies, we don't build up a lot. You see a lot of Haitians say that there's no point in fixing up Haiti because the world's going to end soon anyway and we're all going to go going to be in heaven.
Like we've been we they've been waiting for a hundreds of years and it's never happened. You see what I'm saying? Which is why a lot of reasons you don't see people fixing up Haiti like they did.
They're not in a hurry to fix it up because they think the the world's going to end. No forthright thinking, no critical thinking, and all that is not necessary. So that's what I um I would say. Well, what uh what do you think about everything I just said?
Yeah. I So I think the first two points uh we can kind of bash them together there. So the um like lack of planning ahead and just not, you know, critically thinking. I think that you identified uh like an attribute of some people and you're kind of attributing it to religion and I think that you're you're kind of going too wide from the mark. I think that the core thing is just this particular attribute in some people is just not as good. I I don't think it's related to the religious belief to the degree that you're making it out to be because simply you can look at you know, other, you know, ethnic groups, whether you're looking at, like you mentioned, whites that are whatever, you know, you know, Protestant or whatever, Catholic or whatever. You can also look at like, you know, Pakistani people that are Muslim, you know, uh uh you know, people that are, you know, Buddhist or whatever, where there's a religion, the religion has a lot of beliefs that are, you know, antithetical to thinking in a rational way, but yet these people are still very successful.
They're still, you know, succeeding in the Western world. They can, you know, deter or, you know, uh you know, defer gratification. They can get, you know, advanced degrees. They can plan ahead for stormy days. They have, you know, saving accounts. They have, you know, 401Ks. Um and if you look at the religious belief, you can you you would then well say, "Wait, wh- why is your you being a highly religious Pakistani man, why is that not why is that not having the same effects on your, you know, day-to-day life, i.e. planning ahead and you being a critical thinker the way it is for African-Americans or for black people in Haiti. I think that those are two separate issues.
And I think, um, once you start to dive into the specifics, you can kind of carve out a space and say, "Some people have a hard time acting in a way to benefit their future, which is a totally separate conversation." And then you can say, "Religious belief where the person is, um, very focused on the actual hardcore scriptures is, you know, counterproductive to them succeeding in, uh, you know, modern-day society." But again, it's not something that's specific for for, you know, blacks, you know, or for Africans and black Africans that are Christians. You can look at it across all religions. Um, so there's so that I think you're diagnosing an issue with like, "Why aren't these people planning ahead in a very intelligent way?" Good question. I think it has very little to do with their actual religious belief when you map it onto all the other religious groups and all the other people that are super religious that are succeeding in America and throughout the world.
And then the third point about hope and belief in God, I think that's I think that something like hope is you can, I mean, we can have a conversation on You can just look at the the hardcore data. I don't know what the exact numbers are, but I'm pretty sure, um, people that are more religious and that are going through times that are more difficult, the more religious you are, the more you're able to take on because what's built in into that into that belief is you're not going through this thing alone. You have not just your mother and your father father helping you through it, you have the actual creator of the universe that's helping you through it. That amount of of internal stimulation, it's a cosmic stimulation. It's not a stimulation from listening to a cheerful song. You have the creator of the universe stimulating your, you know, your drives. Nothing can compare to that.
Uh so, I think just just I mean, just that by itself largely suggests that religious people, when you have that umph of the creator of the universe supporting you, that's going to give you a certain type of hope to go through what you're going through.
Uh and on top of it, because of the way the psychology of religion works, when you do have those massive hardships like your loved one gets cancer or uh a loved one, you know, dies unexpectedly, or you have a magic a massive tragedy, right? Religion spins that and it gives the person the cognitive support that they need by telling them that ultimately this was the wish of not just anyone, but the creator of the universe wanted it to happen. That is a massive cognitive uh uh like support system that humans can have, which is why religion, why we still have it today. That is massive cuz we know how hard and difficult life is.
So, when you can spin hardships and to say that those hardships are not just not that bad, but the creator of the universe wants you to go through those hardships to make you come out on the other end, versus the atheistic view, which is you're going through these hardships when and when your firstborn child dies of, you know, of the crib death that happens to like 5% of all children, there's no, you know, overarching message you can give about why it happened. It just it happened for some random sucky reason, and now you're just depressed about it.
Um so I I think it's it's very it's it I think it's hard to make a to make a strong argument that religion does not inherently give people more hope because of when you look at the cognitive support, you know, apparatus that it gives to uh just like the human psyche, which is why it's been with us for so long. That's why I think it's so important that it is actually maintained and kept in the in, you know, communities, whether white or black, especially when those groups are having a difficult time. If you don't have like if So like if you're not having a um So like if you have a society where you don't have like a good, you know, like uh a good system to ensure that that person can become, you know, well educated, they don't come from a good, you know, family structure where there are rules that they can follow to learn how to behave in society, or you just have a difficult environmental structure where people are going to prison, people are doing drugs at a young age, and you know, all these things, I think when you remove the religiosity and you remove that North Star, you end up doing more bad than good. But the nuance is if you come from a society or culture or family where you have two parents that are college professors or that are well paid, um that live in the suburbs, where your uncles and aunts for the most part have white-collar jobs or even blue-collar jobs, but they work every day, and you're growing up in that system, I think you're more likely to exhibit prosocial behavior because you have models to follow, and I think the the the issue or the concern that I have with your message is uh you're kind of neglecting that. So I think those good reasons to believe in God, it it is race agnostic, but it's more about what type of, you know, socioeconomic situation, you know, are you in, and for the most part, the people on this planet that are in those more dire situation tend to be black.
Um, and I'll just wrap up by saying there's a there's a quote that I read from from this boss from this historian Will Durant.
And [snorts] he talked about you know, you know, the world of colonialism, the world of colonialism has done two major things. Not only has it you know, raped, pillaged and and robbed you know, the poor and you know, minorities.
But then it it's it's done this other backward things where that's from the front side. Now from the back side after it's impoverished you now it's coming through and it's now going to remove the one psychological uh you know, aid that you have which is your belief of the afterlife, your your sense of the whole and the greater and it comes and it and it pulls it. That's why when I first kind of lost my religion, I was out there telling everyone you know, there's no God but but but I was just going off and on just like a [ __ ] machine gun which is and then what I learned is like no dude, like you're actually going to cause more harm to people cuz you're very very lucky.
And um a lot of people around the planet that are so you you you want to hold off on removing that religious belief because in the long run, I think it can do them very good cuz their lives are going to be so difficult.
I mean, here's what what I would say, right? Um I've always argued that the way that black people were taught religion and the way that white people were taught religion are very very different which is why we see these different outcomes, right?
Um The way that is taught for for black people is that our heaven is going to come after we die.
And the way that white folks are taught is that God wants you to have heaven on earth.
You know what I mean? Those are going to create very very different outcomes, which is why I see that the the entire thing about hope and their lack of critical thinking, lack of forthright thinking comes from that because anytime >> the argument be wouldn't then the argument be to not remove religion from the belief system, but to alter it to match the belief system that whites have? That's what black That's what black liberation theology is, which is why I respect black liberation theology. You know what I mean? Like whenever whenever whenever people come over here and and discuss, especially if it's a Christian, a black Christian, always ask them what do you think of what do you think about black liberation theology? That's exactly what it does, right? Um now when um when when whenever I um when when when I say that the reason why I could I could give it to the religions because when I ask them, you know, why didn't when you ask people why didn't they think about this or um when do you think uh things are going to change for our society a lot of the a lot of the reasons where where they give is that we're going to have heaven after we die anyway.
You see what I'm saying? So that that that's why I say that I I kind of blame it on that. Even the leaders would say that. We're going to have heaven after we die anyway. You see what I'm saying?
So it's it's it's really one of those um it's really one one of those things where um there's not really any surveys on it. It's it's just the way I form my opinion by talking to multiple people who have said this exact same thing, even leaders. You know what I mean? Even government leaders. You see what I mean?
But what I would say is is that um go back to my first thing. The reason why I think that is is that the way um again, the way that black folks were were brought to religion the way that white folks and other people were were were brought to religion um had different theologies.
I've been in white churches and I've been in black churches. I grew up in black church on my my entire life and I grew up in white church for like my formative years from ages 12 to from ages about 10 to 13. I grew up in a white church, right? And I saw the different theologies being being taught.
I I always say that there um when it comes to to um to a lot of white people, they're taught what I call David theology.
And when it comes to black people, we're taught we're taught what I call blood theology. What that means in David theology is that they always the first story that they give to kids in white churches is a story of David and Goliath.
They always say that you are David and anything in your way is is the Goliath, basically. And you need to knock down the Goliath. That test you have your next weekend, that's your Goliath. That person that's always bullying you, that's your Goliath. You know what I mean? You not being able to pay your bills tomorrow, that's your Goliath. And everybody else is your sheep and everything like that. But what is taught in black church?
Everything is going to be okay with the blood of Jesus.
That's what they're taught.
You see what I'm saying? So, and and all these Not not to cut you off, but I just think that like when you that sounds good, but when you look at the data, uh if you look at like the uh like the socioeconomic status of blacks in America, and you go up the chain and go, "Well, what are the belief system of the blacks that are making the most money?"
They're they tend to be much more highly religious. So, like black people that are in corporate America, that are, you know, executives, that are at the top tech companies, like all the top companies or just making more than like $70,000 a year, you get more religiosity, especially in the men. As there's a high rate of religiosity in black men that are making more money.
And when you look at the black men that are making much less money and that are in more involved in the criminal justice system, they tend to be making uh they tend to be much less religious. So, that that I mean then that data is very strong. It just it shows that religiosity and so this is something that when I when So, what shifted my thinking was when I learned this, my sister had children and she had she had a lot of boys and what I realized is like I made a cognitive like decision um to not remove any religious doubt from my nephews after I read the cognitive benefits, the cognitive protective benefits for black boys especially that religious belief has. It's massive. The data it's it's clear. So, when I read it, I was like like I literally when I'm not I'm making sure that like I don't I don't put any seeds of skeptibility you know, in their upbringing because I want them to go to church every day. I want them to believe it. I'm certain it is wrong. I'm certain that like the Bible Look, Anderson, this this this is just this is the thing though cuz I had to I had to look this up to to make sure because I know I know what you're talking about, but when it comes to like a lot of these research like from Pew to Gallup and everything like that, high religiosity like it maintains high level across all income brackets. Really, it's not just it's lower with with with lower income black Americans and high with high income black Americans.
I'm talking about I'm talking about black I'm talking about black >> I'm talking about black people, yeah.
Yeah, black people is pretty much level out on on all This is from the National Institute of Health, too. Like I I had to make sure.
If you talk about church attendance for black males and and and their you know, annual salary black males who make more money tend to go to church much more frequently than black males who make less money. There's there's no doubt that's the case. I'm I'm not sure what I guess if you could drop that in the link.
Um >> Yeah, I'll drop it in the link, but I'm looking at the the National Institute of Health, like religious religiosity amongst black people, it remains pretty high amongst all income brackets. It doesn't get lower.
Amongst all income brackets, it remains pretty high.
I I have read and looked at data that was completely different and my entire life just being in the church, there's always many more women than men and there's way more, especially when you get like especially I mean literally at all age brackets, you just you just get way more women than men and now it becomes anecdotal. All of the guys that I grew up with that were like much And the irony for me is when I was younger, I was extremely religious.
Right? So that's kind of irony for me personally. But I noticed a lot of the guys that were again, this is more anecdotal, but the ones that were more religious between like 10 to 17 are doing much better in life than the ones that were like that never went to church, that didn't care anything about it. I I don't know Well, I guess I can I can I can I mean you could say that's a lot of a lot of that has happens to be with community and networking, right? Um because like the the church is where a lot of black people will network and have community at.
No, no. I think it's because um and again, I think I mean we you kind of talked about this before, too. I think it's because there is a there is a framework and again, not religious, but I have to give the devil his due, so to speak.
Judeo-Christian that architecture, that's that software that when you insert that software into a brain there is something about it that can kind of unlock certain modules for more prosocial behavior because of the way the New Testament is.
It There's no doubt, especially on a on a on a large scale, it is an it it is a very pro-social, selfless type of belief system. But here's here's the problem I'm having, Anderson.
This doesn't happen with white Americans.
With white Americans, their their their their Christianity or their religious is based on so based on racial hierarchy.
With black Americans, it's the exact opposite, which is why I'm saying that we're learning different theologies.
>> by racial hierarchy? I'm not sure what you mean by that.
>> Um like there's a there's a study called the religion of whiteness where they they analyze what white Christians, especially evangelicals, what what do they take from certain Bible verses, and what do black Americans and Hispanics take from certain Bible verses. And every single time the the the white the white religious people, the white Christians, whether they were evangelical or mainstream Protestant, they viewed it through the lens of racial hierarchy or national hierarchy rather than altruism. Like the verses about, you know, welcoming the foreigner, clothing the naked, feeding the poor, white the the white Christians would consistently put put that onto a either they deserve it or some sort of hierarchical need, basically. Which is like, what are they going to do for me if I help them out? You see what I'm saying? They That's their theology, but amongst black and Hispanics, it was completely different. It was all about altruism, no matter what their national or racial makeup was. You see what I'm saying? So, I get what you're saying, right? But like the phenomenon >> [clears throat] >> really I just seems I mean, it just seems I mean, I'm not saying I haven't looked into that, but just what I've seen and what I've experienced personally, um it's been I mean, the amount of, you know, altruism that's done by the West for places like Haiti, for places like, you know, sub-Saharan Africa, it's being done, you know, disproportionately by whites that are well-off, and it's being done because of Christianity because they're trying to be altruistic cuz they think it's the right thing to do. But but like you have to essentially but you have to you have to you have to like really look into the nuances of it because for I'm going to give you an example.
Missionaries went into Uganda, right?
And they went over there to Uganda in order to to help them.
But there were people from Uganda that said that before these American missionaries came to Uganda LGBTQ people were treated more with ambivalence. You know what I mean? There were laws on the book from colonial times against buggery and stuff like that. But like it was more ambivalence.
Like people didn't really care. Folks would find it weird but it was like whatever, do what you do.
After the white evangelicals came to Uganda the the the attitudes towards LGBTQ community became extremely negative to the extreme where both the Christians and the Muslims in Uganda have now not only made it illegal but they tried to put the death penalty on it. And that happened after the Christian missionaries went there. Do you see what I'm saying? And we see that all across Africa. Like after the Christian missionaries go because you know, they knew that they lost the battle against being anti-LGBTQ here in America. But they knew if they went over to Africa it would be a completely different subject, a completely different thing, right? So like a lot of these a lot of their missionary work isn't simply just for altruism. Yeah, sure some of that is there. But much of it I would say the majority of it is simply to to be like to oppress LGBTQ people on the continent. Like much of it is not just for or Christians were going to we're going to help you out because if that was the case, they wouldn't invest more into making sure that the native people can keep their resources. Instead a lot of them are invested into mining companies that extract resources from them. They're not into lifting people up.
Yeah, and that wouldn't surprise me at That's just um again, I mean, you know, you know, you know, Christianity has its good sides and its bad sides. It's great for giving you hope through hard times, but yes, no doubt, your children are gay and you're looking at the Bible the way it's meant to be read, it's not going to be good for them. But let me let me see if I can like understand the psychology.
Maybe you can cut through it quick quicker. What do you What are like Do you think that Bill Gates is doing a good thing with all the work that he's done in, you know, with the nets and stuff like that in, you know, you know, Haiti and Africa, or do you feel like there's something behind it? I just I'm I want to see if that maybe gets at your worldview a bit so I can He's a billionaire, so I don't I don't really trust him. But I I do think that yeah, in some ways he's helped with the with the nets, with the vaccines. But if he goes But, you know, the other things behind the scene of, you know, um trying to human test with uh with vaccinations and trying to own water rights in the third world because they have weaker governance, those are the parts I I don't trust. But, you know, billionaires, whether they're Christian or non-believers, I don't really trust them at all because they're they're billionaires. You see what I'm saying?
So, it that's that's what I would say about billionaires.
>> Why would you not Why would you not trust them because they're billionaires?
Because becoming a a billionaire, you have to be exploitative. You You don't become a billionaire through ethical ways unless you bought a lottery ticket and it was worth a billion dollars.
That's really the only way. But the only the the only way you can become a billionaire is if I freely give you my money.
Not a lot of people are doing it, right?
Not necessarily.
>> way But the primary way in the Western world where there's laws, uh the primary way where people become very wealthy is the masses willingly give them their hard-earned money because of some product or um some uh something that uh the billionaire produces, service, product, or what have you that people want to give money for. And because people want it so much, that's how they It's that simple, isn't No, the billionaires don't produce anything.
Like Steve Jobs didn't make didn't make the iPhone. He He came up with the with with the idea. He He's He was a visionary. He came up with the idea, but he didn't mine the resources. He didn't know what it needed. Uh he he just came up with the idea. No, but that's I mean, so if you're working on a team, which that's the way, you know, early Apple was as a startup, you have a team. You have the person who's doing the product roadmap, right? He can decide Hey, we want to revolutionize these, you know, devices and have these screens that can do all this stuff.
Or he can just say let's just like do something completely different. And then then instead of making tens of thousands of people millions of dollars because they are the employees of this company, he just runs the company into the ground because he comes up with a stupid idea and his company um just completely folds. So >> Right. Exactly. But I got you but I mean Steve Jobs idea with the with the iPhone was a revolutionary idea. I don't think anybody was going to deny that. What I'm saying is that the way that these people um the way that people become billionaires is that you have to pay employees less than what they're worth.
You have to. You know what I mean?
Because it's like if you if you don't, you're not going to make the profit and your shares are not going to go up. Like the way that the way that most billionaires have billion dollars is because of the shares that they're invested in, right? The way that those shares go up is if you make profit. And the best way to make profit is to pay people as less as possible. You know what I mean? At at least the market rate. So the really the only only way. Like if every if every Apple I don't I don't say Apple. If every Amazon worker was making $70,000 a year, like that that's that's not going to be a lot of profit for Amazon. Or at least they don't see that in the long run.
In the in the short term, it's not going to make a lot of profit. In the long term, it will, but in the short term, they need to make that profit, right?
Because if it doesn't go up, that means that the shark stock is going to go down, and then the shareholders are going to complain, the stock is going to go down more. So, they see it in the short term.
Right, but before we get downstream of that, the core thing is how do you who decides what the worker is worth?
The It's not that the >> And yeah, that's the that's the fight between capitalism and socialism. Who should decide who what the what the worker is worth? Now, people who are more on my side decide that the worker should I'm should decide because we're the one making the product. You know what I >> No, that doesn't that doesn't That doesn't Well, see, okay.
Okay, I'm going to talk to you because I really respect you. I'm going to talk to you because I really respect you. The way you're thinking, like you're in a you are in a box in the way you're like going about this, and that box is similar to like maybe not like a 6,000-year-old planet Christian person is thinking, but it's like a person who like believes in evolution, but believe God had like his hand in there, kind of believes in magic. Like they have enough science where they can like talk a little bit, but they're still like steeped into the Bible like and it's going to take a lot of work to like uh like uh like unlock all of the stuff, like really unlock all the issues um that you're saying um it's just a lot of work, but you're you're in that same space, dude. Um you just have to look at the evidence, where it takes you, regardless.
The person who decides what the worker is worth, it's not the company, it's the company or it's not only the company, it's the company and the worker. Because if you don't want the salary, you just leave and go somewhere else. And you're right, if profits were to or if the salary was too high, the company would have very little profit. Right, but the worker decides. They they don't they don't they're not enslaved to that salary. They accept that salary and it's typically because that's the highest salary that they can get. Um and that's that's not the best system in the world.
It's going to leave a lot of people at the bottom of it, but it's one of those it's the best given all the, you know, alternatives. It's just I guess I mean, the way I like to put >> the the thing is we never tried the alternatives really. The alternative is is is basically making sure that everyone can uh it can live a uh a decent life cuz not everybody needs to be Not everybody wants to make $100,000 a year. Most people don't even care about that. Most people just want to live a life that's that that's decent enough for them to take care of their kids, their family, and eat at night. A lot of people don't don't need to be Bill Gates rich. Like, they don't care.
Do you see what I'm saying? So, it's like but if we have a system where the only jobs available is check to check, then it's going to cause a cause an issue and that's what we're seeing right now. We're in the age of the new robber barons because that's how it was back in the day of the robber barons where that was literally the only thing available.
It was either you take that or you starve to death and hunger sucks. You know what I'm saying? So, they're not going to just Oh, you could just go somewhere else. Yeah, if I go somewhere else, they're they're going to offer me the same thing you're offering. Well, go somewhere else. I go somewhere else, they're offering maybe less than what you're offering. Go somewhere else. I go somewhere else, they're offering me maybe $1 over. Yeah, maybe I'm not living completely check to check, but it's going to be a problem still, you know? Yeah, but that's not the situation that we're in, right?
>> It is. It really is.
If you don't want the $10 at McDonald's and then you go to Home Depot and you don't want the $15 at Home Depot, now if you have the skills to do it, you could you and it's very hard and some people do not have the skills to do it, but some people do. You can go, get a technical skill, master something, go figure out how to, you know, master machine learning and get very knowledgeable on how AI works and prompt engineering and all of that and then you can go and you can get a job for 120k or you can use, you know, the LLMs to create potentially your own small company if you don't like the other ones. You have the ability to jump between different companies, but I think the core I and this this this helps me kind of get your worldview. I think the core difference is I see the human condition as that of it's a very hard almost sad situation that humans are in.
It's very hard, very sad. I see life as short, brutish, and and whatever you know, Rousseau or not Rousseau, you know, Thomas Hobbes said. That's the human condition and I and and what I see our society trying to do with religion and with capitalism and with, you know, a lot of these things is we're trying to climb out of the hardship. It's not that the human condition is by default prosperous, especially like once you put on your like naturalism head on and you put on your your your This is my question, yeah, I'm I'm sorry I'm interrupting you, but this is my question. If you once you once you have once you put on your once you remove the rose-colored glasses and you look at the human condition for what it is, you start to understand it's actually really really difficult and what we want to do is it's not necessarily make things better. It's we want to decrease as much suffering and pain as possible. No, I agree with that. But but Anderson, Anderson, here's the thing.
Capitalism doesn't necessarily do that.
I mean, because capitalism is all about increasing your profit as much as possible. [ __ ] whoever got [ __ ] whatever, you know, people are. And we've seen that over and over and over again. You see what I'm saying? Which is why regulations happen. Capitalism is not about making sure people are better than before. It's about increasing your profit. The betterment of people becomes secondary to that.
No, right. No, no. So so what you just said is true, but there's a there's kind of a nuanced point in there.
When you have a large number of people and you're trying to have some sort of social infrastructure and you're trying to you're trying to maximize efficiency, capitalism seems to be the the the the optimal way to maximize efficiency where I don't really like my employer really doesn't care about me and I don't really care about my employer. But when you have millions and millions of people, the best way to have relationships when you want to get stuff is to actually do stuff for your employer, have them pay you, and if you do the stuff at a higher high enough quality, it's not that they love you so much. It's not why you're getting the the raise or the promotion or this you know, or your great salary. It's because you are indirectly improving the quality of life of the company or i.e. the person who owns the company and therefore they're giving you a share of that profit. So what's happening is it's a way to productionalize efficiency on a mass scale.
>> I I got you. I got you. Here's here's two things I would say. Number one, like honestly everything you say about the human conditions. We know that the human conditions suck. But it doesn't have to.
You know what I mean? It it it it it doesn't have to. I understand Thomas Hobbes saying that everything about the human condition.
>> No, but the question is what what do you need to do so it doesn't suck? That's the question.
>> What we need to do is is to make sure that we increase human well-being as much as possible, meaning our physical well-being.
Yeah, our physical well-being and our mental health. All right, so the the the the the the way that that we do it, it seems to be the best way that we do it is that if everyone has shelter, everyone has food, and and and everyone everyone has food, shelter, and >> Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. This is the With religious people, they have the magical thinking that takes up so much space. Now, you can't just start like labeling things. Let's ask, how how can everyone get food and everyone get shelter if shelter and food are limited resources. They're not.
That's the thing. We We >> are not limited resources? We Um the United States of America itself produces enough to feed the world. We just throw it away because we're not going to make money from it.
So So in your world, you think that the United States can produce enough food to feed the The United States currently Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold What What I'm saying is, Anissan, the United States currently produces enough food to feed the world.
We just throw it away.
No. No. Now, the question is, who decides on who gets how much food? Do I get more food or you Do you get more food? And who decides who are the people working to produce the food? Do you work 20 hours or do I work 100 hours to produce the food? No, of course. That's um Things like that are going to be more decided amongst the communities, right?
Like, for example, if I don't want to be a farmer, then you shouldn't force me to be a farmer. No one is saying that. What if no one wants to be a farmer then? If If If So like if we're going to be >> who want to be farmers. I ain't going to lie. There are people who want to be farmers. I ain't going to >> but Okay, but no. But the No, but the question is, if you want to leave it up to people, what if people don't want to be farmers simply because So I'm going to be a farmer and what I get by being a farmer, I work and then my my reward is food. That guy over there goes, "Fuck it. He doesn't want to be a farmer."
What does he want to do? He wants to just like play music and hook up with a lot of beautiful women. So I work and then I get food. He hooks up with a lot of beautiful women on the weekends and all the time and I give him food. So I'm putting more input into the system than he is. So I'm going to be kind of uh that's going to That's That's going to create some sort of resentment in me because the way the resources are allocated when it comes to the relative output of effort seems to be unfair. And that's a core attribute of human psychology, which is you get what you put in. So, your system is not It's not factoring that in. No, it does factor that in. Like the the um the the the musician still works. Like it's not It's It's It's not It's not It's not You just don't They They They don't sit down and just bang on the on the guitar, right?
You actually have to be good at it. You know what I'm saying? So, it's It's not that um that um at at the end of the day all these things get um get factored. I know I'm not I'm not explaining it well, right? We can keep a certain system in place.
Okay, well, I I I'm I'm I'm trying to explain, bro.
We can I I actually I'm I'm trying I'm trying to explain, bro. I I I get what you're saying, but we're not going to This society will never be a system of farmers and guitar players. That's That's never going to happen. Yeah, sure, there are people who's going to want to make music. There's going to be people who want to want to grow food because they simply just enjoy it. There are people going to who going to want to do what I do right here, just sit around and talk all day because we simply enjoy it, right? What um um what what I'm saying is is that the system that we have in place right now under capitalism, we produce abundance, but because it doesn't make profit, we throw that abundance away.
And I'm saying that we need to move to a system where we can create abundance and not necessarily be worried about how we're going to accumulate more and more currency from this abundance.
That's uh that that that that's that causes That has caused as That has caused like all the damage on the planet that we're seeing right now. That because something doesn't make a lot of money or because it is going to make a lot of money, we damage people. We should move on to a system where that doesn't happen, and I'm not saying why I'm not saying why we can't.
Yeah, I mean I I I don't 100% disagree, but I I do think that again, with all due respect, uh I think that your worldview is it's it's naive in an analogous way to the way of uh a Christian interacts with the world and although you've left the religious you know, like like software when it comes to interacting with the actual system that we're living in, you're you're kind of transferring some of that software and it's very difficult to kind of pinpoint one cuz you you receive to another point. Um and I'm not I may maybe I'm let me let me let me be clear. Maybe I'm wrong and maybe there's something I'm not seeing, but I just remembered thinking like this when I was younger and the same way it was a relent like a reluctant re me being reluctant reluct Jesus Christ reluctantly This is a KBS founder. I don't know if you've ever had it.
>> Yeah, I'll have it. But but what what I'm saying is Anderson is that I understand that that capitalism produces production, right? It makes production and and allocation of resources a lot easier. I I I I I get that part, right? Like I'm not I'm not um I'm not fighting you on that point cuz even Mark said that. Mark said that yeah, capitalism actually does bring up production. He like no one doubts that, right? What we're saying is that under the under the the system of capitalism that we have right now, profit is more important than the person, right?
Accumulating wealth is more important than and more important than uplifting the well-being of humankind. And I want us to move to a system where we can uplift the the well-being of humankind and not necessarily worry about accumulating profit, right? Accumulating more much more wealth for ourselves just for me to live like a king. We can move to that type of system because we've had it before. So it's like I don't know why we can't.
>> with that.
That I think that's a much weaker claim than I thought you were I don't disagree with that. If we want to say, "Hey, instead of maximizing money, we don't maximize money to such a degree and we actually we we we we we take some of the maximum of you know like the maximizing of money and shift that towards like actual quality I.E. we just like take money from the top people and forward it to the bottom.
I'm more open to that which you're talking about like some sort of like taxing system.
That's what socialism is bro. That's what socialism is.
Like the the the the abundance the accumulation then gets distributed amongst the people who are who have less or amongst all of us. You know what I'm saying? So we can all live a decent life. You know what I'm saying?
So that's that's really what what it's about. Like we just redistribute the resources that we all have.
That's really what it is. You know what I'm saying?
I don't I don't disagree with that. I'm I'm I'm just curious on your view. I mean I'm sure you have family in in Haiti and stuff.
If if you had a relative of yours that's that's in Haiti I'm sure you do and you have let's say a 21 year old guy 25 year old guy and he's in Haiti and he's trying to figure stuff out.
And he calls you one day and he's just like talking to you maybe you guys are on Zoom or whatever and he's thinking he's like I don't know man.
Do you think do you think there's a God?
What do you what are you going to say to them? So again this is an adult they're in Haiti.
So we know their life the way their life is going. What like what are you going to say to them? I'm telling them no.
Like I'll always believe in telling the telling folks the truth. You know what I'm saying? I guess I guess okay let me shift it. If if they ask you do you think they should believe in God?
I me I don't I don't like to impose. I would initially say no.
But I would also say it doesn't matter what I think it matters what you think.
Does is is it something that's important for you?
And if it is something that's important for you I'm not going to agree with your decision but it's important for you so I shouldn't take it away from you.
So then to to do the full um loop around here.
>> Yeah cuz we do got to we do got to move on. We've been on for almost an hour.
But but go ahead. Yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, I'm going to answer a question and I think I'm going to answer it with a with a mic drop with all due respect.
Can you give me a good reason to believe in God? Yes, if believing if not believing in God would cause you to commit suicide.
That's the that's the reason. That's the reason if not >> That's the good reason why you should believe in God. Because if you don't if you're going to harm yourself because you don't think life is worth living, then I think you should.
I mean, if if someone tells me that, I'll take them to church myself.
I mean, like I don't want you to harm yourself.
So, it's >> Right. It's like if if >> That's the reason. So, fair enough.
That's a good reason to That's a good reason to believe in God if by not believing you're going to harm yourself. Then by all means believe in God then. You agree? By all means, yeah.
Go I'm go ahead if you if you're not going to if if you're going to harm yourself, sure like go go um go I'll I'll take you to church myself, but what I would also do is say that you need some deep therapy.
Yeah, I mean, like like we like like I I would take you to if if church is going to be your therapy, then then cool. But like I would say that, you know what? We need to help you. Yeah, I mean, like we we need to actually get you some help.
Sure, maybe the pastor can pray with you. Maybe we can talk to you about what's going on. But if you are going if you're going to go ahead and and and harm yourself, then yeah, I guess I'll I'll have to take you to church myself. You know what I mean? Right. Right, yeah. I agree. I agree with that. I agree with that.
All right.
>> [gasps] >> All right.
Yeah, that I I do apologize that we went on long with with Anderson. I think there were some folks that that had a question, but I have user and I have seeker here and I have Alec Latter-Day Saint over on the on the YouTube.
I don't know if Mega 6 had had a question for or a comment for for Anderson. Did you have one, Mega? What?
Yeah. Yeah.
>> Oh, that's Cam.
Cam, what's good, bro?
What's [laughter] good?
What's good, Cam?
Yeah. Um my main question is cuz I I I know it's it's about guy, but you guys kind of talked about like a lot of capitalism.
Uh one of my big questions is about the ethical uh if you could become a billionaire on the ethic ethically. And I my thing is that like under your logic is minimum wage something that is okay, right? Like should there should there be a minimum wage?
Um >> is I mean, when you get Yeah, when you get in very detailed things like that, I mean should there be or should there not be?
There's going to be like three, four levels of cause and effect that I am not trained in econo- Like like I'm not a you know, like a trained economist.
I guess there should be, but I don't know. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. I'm just trying to get to the ethical nature, right? Because I think minimum wage is a ethical question, right? Should there be a minimum that you should pay a person for working, right? Should That that's a ethical question. It's not like an I mean, sure it has economical aspects to it, right? But the reason behind a minimum wage is not to necessarily help the economy. It's a to help the person, right? To help the person behind the economy, right?
>> Yeah. So I know So I haven't read this I read this book a very long time ago, but there's a guy that a lot of people talk about, Thomas Sowell. He has a book called Basic Economics where he talks about this stuff. And he talks about Again, there's a he's his his like core thesis is there's a bunch of things that on the surface sound good, but when you actually implement them, the the the third and fourth level effects actually seemed superficially. And he And I mean, you can buy his book and read it, but I think his his his claim is you you you push people out of the market and you make it more expensive to hire particularly black people when you increase the minimum wage. You actually get less black people employed because most most employers want to pay people as low as possible.
And what happens is a lot of those lower wages would typically go to younger people. So typically you would have a lot of lower wage people working for younger black people. And now when you have a minimum wage of 15 or 20 dollars, they're pushed out of the market. They don't So what Thomas Sowell pointed out that of employers want to pay people as little as possible, that's exactly the problem. You know what I mean? We're we're we're saying that that shouldn't be the case because at the at that point you're just creating a race to the bottom. Do you see what I mean? I'll go go go go ahead Miguel.
Uh yeah and and I don't want to like cut you off but it looks like more or less your argument there was that you know something might seem good but there's a lot of complex ramifications that could some of them could be foreseeable, some of them unforeseen, right? So it's like we could do this but what if when we do this, this happens, right? So and that's possible cuz things are more complicated than that.
Uh so I can but I'll give a easier type of question. Do you think child labor is ethical? Like should there like should there be child labor laws, right? Should there be like a law that says hey um a five-year-old kid can't go into a store and work, right? Do you think that's ethical or not?
Um I don't know enough. I haven't read too much about this. I don't know if I read anything about it. But I think the core issue there is if you start having children work at a very young age.
Um they can be exploited.
Right? So, it's like you can tell them like, "Hey, you're going to do this." But, they actually end up or like, "I'm going to pay you like this amount of money for this amount of work." But, then you actually like times four or five the work or you put them in situations that are unsafe, which then cause them to be exploited in a way that that um kind of hones in on their lack of, you know, cognitive development that our society wants to protect. That's why we have like age limits for almost everything including calls like this cuz we don't want to exploit minors. So, at some point you're going to have to have a line in the sand.
Should it be 10 years old or 15 or 21 or five? I don't know, but it seems like it makes sense to have one, but I haven't really dug into it.
Okay. Okay, so at least that that's a that's a good uh I I would agree with that. I'm going to say it's a good point or not or or yeah, so it's it's definitely flexible.
Uh few more quick ones. Do you believe >> I'm I'm I'm sorry Megan like maybe maybe Anderson can come back another live, but we've been on with him for almost an hour. I got to move on.
I did not do apologize but because user has been here for almost an hour, so has seeker and I got to get to profit as well and so has Alec on over on my on my YouTube, all right? So, I do got to get to them, but uh we we we got to just talk about another time. Come come back, you know, tomorrow or Sunday and we can talk about it more. All right, Anderson? But, we'll talk about it more tomorrow or Sunday, all right? But, um uh Megan you can stay up, but Alec I do got to go ahead and move on, but I I appreciate you being on, all right?
Yeah, later. All right, guys.
All right, y'all. Um we're going to go ahead and um move on to well, uh Alec, stay on mute for me. I appreciate you, Alec. Stay on mute for me cuz uh user was here before you. I'm just I'm to go ahead and talk to him for a second and I promise him I'm going to keep the the time to 15 minutes, all right? Um Alec is going to be right after User, and then Seeker, and then uh Info Profit, cuz I think I spoke to Info Profit before. But, User, how's it going, User? Uh what do I call you? Are you at least 18? And do you think you can give me good reasons to believe in a god?
Let me invite him to unmute.
Uh User, you can go ahead and unmute now if uh you see the invitation. You there?
>> [sighs] >> There he is.
You there, User? There you go. All right. Are you at least 18, and do you think you can give me good reasons to believe in a god?
Yeah.
Yes. Um uh I'm almost 79 years old.
Okay.
Okay.
Um I'm just calling you to let you know I really really appreciate the kind of job you've been doing.
I'm Haitian.
And I've been in church since I was a little.
But I become you know when I growing up, I don't interested in church anymore. But I'm so glad to leave life to see something like that happen in life. Mhm.
You know, I'm so happy because we call ourselves the zombie nation. Mhm. Yeah, I'm going to.
Yeah, that's what we are. Almost I would say probably 60 or 70% people in Haiti.
Zombie feeling. They They are zombie. Zombie become a zombie.
Because when you believe Mhm.
in your mind, you become sick, crazy. You don't know what you really doing.
Because All right. Um, Alec, how's it going, Alec? Um, I appreciate you for for being here. Are you at least 18? And uh, do you think you you can give me a good reason to believe in a god?
Uh, I'm 33 and I'm old and I'm going to give you what reasons I can as someone who actually was um, I was an atheist, I was an agnostic and an nihilist. I I tried paganism, I tried Buddhism, Islam.
I I really bounced around. I really did not want a Christian god and I I didn't even want a god period. So, I know where you're coming from in in in that way, I suppose. Mhm.
Okay, cool. What do you think a good reason is?
I could give you a few, but if I could just give you some empirical ones just based on um, some surveys. Do you know the Pew Research Institute at all? Yeah, yeah, Pew Pew Research. Are you going to Are you going to bring up the like the entire thing of that um, you know, Christians basically have uh, like better mental health outcomes and stuff like that?
Mhm. So, that's that's that's one that's pretty general and I'm just asking you just a in a general question. If you wanted to be healthier, you would want to be healthier, right? If there's any sort of tie with religion that seems to help that or with a god, then it's it's worth considering if you want a better mental health state. Perhaps, you know, there are there is evidence. In fact, I was a psychiatric technician. I worked at a um, at a mental health hospital for people with really severe and serious conditions. Our doctor and our treatment team would always prescribe them therapy, medication and a spiritual worldview. They didn't care what it was, but they usually It was actually clinically tested that a spiritual worldview, no matter what it was, as long as it wasn't degrading, would help people to recover better from their mental ailment or even if it wasn't even if total recovery wasn't possible, it would help them maintain a better, you know, general daily life. You know what I mean? Yeah, so there Have you ever heard of secular spirituality?
I very vaguely. I think in Judaism it's one of the most popular there. Well, yeah, in secular Judaism it is. But yeah, there is secular spirituality where you can take on a spiritual worldview in a in a secular form and that and that spiritual worldview is more based on gratitude, awe, and like love for humanity. And it's it still produces the same outcomes. One thing that that that Pew Research I think if I'm not mistaken what it also said was that this was based more on people having a community rather than just, you know, the Christian belief period. Because other religious groups such as Muslims and stuff like that, they also have similar outcomes. So it's more based on the community that you have. And because atheists are such a minority in not just America but the planet, there's not a lot of data there. But if you have a community, you're going to have better health outcomes, right? And when it comes to a spiritual belief, like I don't I don't doubt that a spiritual belief could or spiritual worldview can can help out. It's just that um Mhm. when it comes to a spiritual worldview, I don't think it necessarily needs to pertain to God belief because Buddhists are also very spiritual, right? But there's no God in Buddhism.
You know what I mean?
There are denominations that do have it, but you're right that it's generally a more broad spiritual landscape. You're totally right.
>> Mhm. Um but if I could push back a little bit on that with, you know, it it generally from the community. I was a member of the LGBTQ community.
Well, and an active member. You know, I I still experience those feelings for the same gender and I don't I don't bash on people for that. In fact, in my specific faith in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, we don't teach that if you have those those kind of feelings toward the same gender, we don't say that that gets you to hell. We think that that sinful acts do. So we don't damn people for having those feelings, for for being gay, right? But when I was in that community, I was I was never more miserable. And when I went on like you could say outings with people of the same gender in that community, uh it was generally reported to me that they were unhappy, extremely unhappy, and they wanted to unalive almost 90% of the time when I was with those people with people in my community. So, I would just push back there that community is not the total answer.
Yeah, sure. It's not the total answer.
You do have to have a safe community.
You still have to have an an active vibrant community. If you're in a community where all they do is denigrate you, you're not going to be you're not going to have a good mental health, right? I would say that for the other LGBTQ people, they probably in their personal lives, they also didn't have good community. They were either rejected, they were lonely, etc. etc. But, um I've met um LGBTQ people who are very very happy, especially in the in a lot of them in the ballroom scene as a matter of fact. That's where they find a lot of their um a lot of their their their happiness and their and their pride because they can be amongst their their tribe, be amongst their people.
You see what I'm saying? So, um I would say like, you know, I'm I'm sorry that you go that you went through that. You know what I mean? The people that you were around um didn't exactly help you to to um with your with your mental health. Um but so, I I I do agree with you halfway. The community, simply having one, is not the full answer. It's a good community, a healthy community, a vibrant community. Those actually do help. Um I live in Florida, right? And there's a place called Walton Manor.
Walton Manor, once you go there, it's basically like a little San Francisco.
You're going to see the pride flags everywhere.
The folks who live over in Walton Manor, like those are some of the happiest people I have ever met in my life. You know what I mean? They're they're they're they're great. They're wonderful. That's because the um the community there is very very vibrant, very very healthy. There's lots of health There's lots of health clinics.
There's even, you know, affirming churches. LGBTQ churches are around there for people who are LGBTQ and Christian. You know what I mean? I don't know how they do it, but they do it. You know what I'm saying? So, it's basically what what they what happens with it. I I don't mean to take you over. I'm sorry, but yeah, so I I I do agree with you with halfway. It's a healthy community can um can can do those things for you.
Um Yeah, sure. What what what do you have to say?
Sure. I spoke with um an Episcopal Oh, I went to a pride event recently and um and I actually spoke with people who do have church communities who are LGBTQ affirming like uh Episcopalianism for example or the Community of Christ. And they seem to focus more like you said on the community aspects and um edifying or building each other up rather than you know, beating each other down. And I think that's that's very helpful to to learn to accept yourself instead of being cruel to yourself. What that's Oh, no, that was This is my last point and then you can get someone else up of course would be um guilt and shame for things that you cannot change. I think that that spirituality from from my experience of it like in paganism and exploring Buddhism and other other other faiths that did not have a god, Mhm. I couldn't get past this this deep-seated guilt for things that I couldn't change that I'd done.
And I And that didn't really go away for me at all Mhm. until I had an experience with what I believe was the Lord and the experience of being forgiven cuz if I'm not forgiven, then that shame kind of remained. I could I could kind of talk it down, you know? But until I had that, you know, kind of that lifting of forgiveness, I I couldn't I couldn't deal with it.
Um for that, I would say that um that's a thing that that cuz I'm I'm studying to be a counselor as well, right? Wow.
That's a thing Yeah, yeah. That That's a thing that that comes up a lot in in in counseling especially in our residencies on people or clients or patients who harbor a lot of guilt for something that they've done in the past and not being able to let go of it. It's a very, very difficult thing to um um to to let go of, right? But a lot of it comes from the from people not taking the first step. The acceptance that it cannot change, essentially. They kind of just reminisce over and over again wishing they could have uh done something different. But like a lot of it comes from that not taking that first step that you have to accept that you cannot change this. You know what I mean? Like the Annie song, the sun will come up tomorrow, right? You you it is is over with. Like it's it's gone. You know what I mean? There's no going back. You it it's >> myself that. Yeah, exactly. I just told myself I did I tried. Yeah, you have to put one step in front of the other, you feel me? Go go ahead, Alec. I'm sorry.
No, you're good. You're good. You're good. Yeah. [laughter] But all I'm saying is I actually I attended therapy as someone who was LGBTQ, full atheist, or even agnostic nihilist. And um those adages, they didn't give me the relief that I've that I've found through religion and and believing in a god.
That's my only pushback. So you think that that something else had to forgive you for what you did for you to forgive yourself?
Because cuz even though I told myself it's gone, it's over, it's done with, there was nothing I could do to rectify it. And that bothered me so badly. Cuz you know you know like atheists, they're some of the most moral people I know. They're moral to the point where they say, "Hey, if God creates someone so they can go to hell, that's completely immoral." And I I clap my hands cuz in my faith we don't believe that. That's that's a different sort of doctrine that God makes people just to send them to hell. We don't think people go to hell like period. Um we're pretty much universalist in a way.
But I think that that kind of moral standpoint is necessary in order to have a genuine outlook and to actually question what you believe and actually come to an honest conclusion. Otherwise, you're kind of just hand-waving it. And I couldn't hand-wave these things that I'd done to hurt people is what is what I would say. And so until I actually felt like someone stronger than I was, you know, someone powerful enough to actually heal hurts that I couldn't heal, made me feel finally free of it. And even though I did therapy and I felt I I could talk myself through it, I did self-help books, I worked at that mental hospital which actually really helped me to analyze like my I got like anxiety and depression and stuff. But until I had that experience where there were actually was a power capable of making it all right, eventually, even if not now, but eventually, that that really lifted a lot of the burden for me. But that power is also time, isn't it?
Because I don't know if you're That's That power is also time, isn't it? Because there is that adage, "Time heals all wounds."
You know what I mean? So, it's like it's Like, for example, me and my wife went through something very, very tragic last year. We're not completely healed, but we kind of just learned to live with it.
You know what I mean? So, like, time kind of kind I'm kind of uh hit healed a lot of that a lot of that wounds, and we're we're still healing up. You know what I mean? Like, our time together, our um us loving each other and and expressing ourselves and everything like that, that helps us to to move forward, it helps us to heal. So, we can learn to basically live with it because I don't think it's something that we'll ever forget. Um you know what I'm saying? So, when I when you say that, the things that you've done to people in the past, you simply cannot change it. And for whatever reason it is, you don't have to expose it here, whether it's, you know, they won't talk to you anymore or they're just they're in different countries or worse, they're not with us anymore, they're gone, you can't really do anything about it. Like, I I I get that part, right? Um Now, if without a a without a God belief, this is why I always say that I'm kind of jealous of people who are believers because anytime someone dies for for me, like, my cousin recently passed away back in January.
Okay. In my mind, I'm Yeah, in my mind, I'm never going to see her again. You know what I mean? That's That's it.
She's gone. I'm never going to see her again.
However, do I still have her memories with me? Do I still remember her voice?
Do I still like take her with me every single day through her memories? Yeah, I do. And in a way, that's the afterlife, right? It's not, you know, she's out there in the sky somewhere. It's that she's still with me in my memories. I still remember her voice. I still remember the the best jokes we had. I still remember, you know, when we went out uh for our uh family reunion and we was playing uh dominoes and I thought I was going to win, but she had that one piece of domino that I didn't see and she kicked my ass. See what I'm saying? I still remember that. Those are all great memories. Yeah, I'm I'm saying and me doing that was the way I kind of uh started to heal myself from from um from her passing. So, I I do what I I do get like the the entire point of I'm not able to connect or heal with this person or even say sorry to them because they might have me be gone, they won't talk to me, or there's I'm just physically unconnected to them.
They're in another country somewhere. I live in America, they live in Japan.
I'll never see them again. So, like I I I get that part of it and that's hard to uh to accept. Um but at the at the end of the day, time it it does take time for you to learn how to accept it and for you to to um to to get it out I'm out of your mind. I hope that all makes sense.
I would agree, but I said my mom died um about five-ish years ago. I would never be able to accept and stay sane that I would never see her ever again and that all of my experience like this goes back to my nihilism. Like that that would make happiness pointless. That would make loving her pointless. That would make ever being here point That would make me learning pointless. That would make everything point And one one day the earth is going to blow up with the sun, so why even like I just I can't >> [laughter] >> I I can't go back >> I I I got you. I got you. I mean, yeah, sure. Um objectively, it's it's pointless, right? But the point but me simply being here in my life my lifetime, that for me that is the point.
You know, like I still affect people around me. Um, at the end of the day even if there's even if the universe doesn't care, let's say let's say I'm correct and there's no afterlife and the universe doesn't care like in a hundred years my great grandkids aren't even going to know my name. You know what I mean? If I don't become like a famous person like Michael Jackson, my kid my grandkids will never know my name. My my great grandkids will never know my name um if unless I become like Michael Jackson famous, right? But at the end of the day the fact that I affected the people in my generation, my peers, those around me and those immediately after me in order to to to to lift them up and become as give them a at least as much a positive life as possible, that really is the point. Like we we make our own purpose. That that's just in my mind. You feel me? But I do get where where you coming from because Mormon theology is actually very very like interesting. Even though like yeah, even though the the the the the racism bothers me, but the other stuff about about you know kind of getting your own planet, that's that's kind of interesting. So it's like it's I don't know I want to I want to look more into it, but um yeah, that that's what I would that's what I would say. We make our own purpose. But I do get um you know, the entire point of there being an after purpose for you beyond your lifetime. I don't I'm not going to take that away from you. Like if that helps you out sure helps you out.
Can I just refute the racism really quick? By the way, Brigham Young, he taught that from his own understanding according to his time. In the Book of Mormon before Brigham Young was a prophet when Joseph Smith was on the earth, it says that that all are alike unto God, black and white, bond free, male and female. So just so you know, we don't support racism. Yeah.
Got you.
Well well well why why was black priests not allowed until like after the civil rights movement.
That's the thing cuz you we actually had people who were African-American who were ordained to the priesthood in Joseph Smith's time. And my grandfather, he got his master's degree in church history and he said that uh so some of our church leaders have said that was the interpretation that Brigham Young took. So in other words, they weren't affirming it. They weren't saying that was what God wanted.
Instead, they said that's just interpretation. Our prophets are not infallible. They can make mistakes.
Maybe it was a mistake. But what my grandfather said to me was in the time when Brigham Young and Joseph Smith were around, there was a vile vile teaching that black people had no souls, that they were animals, and it was disgusting.
And Brigham Young, he he wanted he he even said like he was a he was okay with people being ordained, but then this happened in the church and he didn't allow people to get the priesthood.
From my point of view and from what my grandfather told me, he said the reason why he did that was to not stoke people to come be violent to us in Utah cuz there was an army that was sent after us by President James Buchanan because of polygamy.
If they were mad enough to come and R word us and burn us and rob us across the United States for our beliefs and polygamy, how would they react to us doing this?
I don't know. That's just that's just from my historical research.
All right, yeah. I'm I'm I got you. All right, we're going to go ahead and and move on, but I do appreciate you being up here, Alec.
Thank you. Appreciate you. No problem.
All right, guys. Ooh, I didn't get Mecca to talk to him. My bad, Mecca. Uh-huh. I was going to I was going to have you talk to him as well, but uh you can go ahead and get in on on this next one because I think Seeker is probably going to be my last person, and then we're going to go ahead and end the live. Um I'm going to go ahead and put the time on the clock. Uh Seeker, you can go ahead and talk to me and and Mecca if he have has any questions for you. Uh talk to me for a few minutes and I'll get Mecca into the conversation. That sound good, secret?
I'm sorry for um I didn't really I put it on I didn't really Yeah, I knew what Okay, so I'm the you can So, I'm babbling.
Sorry for this. I um sorry for this.
No problem.
No, so I'm so sorry.
You You said You said you got to go?
The reason I'm voting is just um yeah, I requested by I fell I fell Give me I fell asleep. I fell No, it's it's all good. I had a long conversation with somebody. So, if you fell asleep, it's all it's all good and well, man. Um let me let me know if you up now if you're up to have the conversation and and if you are, we can we can continue.
Uh no, no, I'm really tired, man. My brain Not right now? Oh, no, all good, bro. It's It's all good. But I I'm I appreciate you. I'll talk to my homie real quick, all right? Go ahead and come back uh tomorrow. We'll talk more.
Mega, what's good, bro?
What's good, man? I can give you a good I can give you a good reason for God. Uh >> [laughter] >> I not I don't know if it's a good good reason, but um I I I would say this, like um it is kind of I don't want to get too like racial and uh or anything, but it has a small element to it.
I think this the one good reason to have your own God to believe in is cuz other people have their own God that they believe in.
And just not having a God or trying to find another way around that is kind of tough when there's so many other groups that have their own God. Uh I know you can say like, "Oh, well, just use spirituality." But having that uh so what all powerful all knowing thing is kind of like having a basketball team. It's kind of like believing in a brand, right? You could have see I wouldn't say that um like if one person says Nike is the makes the best clothes and the best shoes, the best hats.
Uh it's not a good alternative to just be like, uh well, instead of believing in a brand and how good your brand is, why don't you just try out all the different clothes and determine that over time who the different items made by different people that are the best fabrics, right? It would be a lot easier to just be like, "Nah, I [clears throat] prefer Adidas."
But that's the best one I can really get with. So that's why I kind of don't get bad into much of the Black Israelites because like, I mean, snap. If you're going to believe in a god, at least believe in a black one if you're black.
Believe in an Asian one if you're Asian.
Yeah, hey listen, I I don't even I'm not even I'm not even going to give you any pushback about that cuz I've always said if we're going to believe in any type of religion, we should go back to what we were doing before. You know what I mean?
Before Christianity came to the to the land. We should we should go ahead and do a Haitian voodoo, you know what I mean? African Americans have, you know, hoodoo. Louisiana hoodoo like it. Yeah, do do all that. You see what I'm saying?
Because we have our own spiritual systems. You know what I mean? Like and not and not only that, a lot of these spiritual systems were more based on community. They wasn't even based on, you know, having a literal actual god there. It was all more metaphorical for them, you know what I mean?
For some of these systems. So yeah, I I don't even disagree with you there. I've always said if we're going to believe in something, make sure it looks like us.
Now when it comes to the Hebrew Israelites, my only issue with them is that they're kind of appropriating a whole 'nother culture. We're not from there. You know what I'm saying? Like we're from what what what we're from Africa. So I would say like let's keep on to to ours, you know what I'm saying?
And but like yeah, I I agree with you there, man. If we're going to believe, let's believe in our own thing. Let's We don't need to to take up anybody else's. But I I I do feel that. I'm not going to give you any pushback cuz I've said the same thing.
Like I agree with you. You feel me?
Yeah, man.
But I did have some questions for the for the for the Mormon kid that would have been I mean I didn't know you had I questions for my I would have I would have kept them here.
Yeah. You could remember what we going on in McAllen, right? There was a Mormon church right down the block from me. You remember that?
>> yeah. I used to play basketball there all the time. Yeah, yeah. There was a Mormon church right there, man. And I've I've uh there was a a a a girl who went there, but she used to always like act real super weird around me. And I used to always wonder why. And that's when I when I moved back to Miami, that's when I figured out, "Oh, Mormons will used to believe this, that, and the third." You know what I mean? I'm like, "Okay, she must have been more fundamentalist than the than the mainstream ones, you feel me?"
Yeah, yeah. Uh some weird stuff happened. I mean, like I remember I was approached by this girl. This was like uh that's when I first started going to college there. And she was Oh, yeah, yeah. Actually, no, it was Was it It was like senior year, actually. No, it's like senior year of high school. I remember she like this girl she came up to me and then she was just like kind of like really sad and kind of like burdened with tears. And she was like, "Oh, I'm sorry for being all racist and stuff. I I didn't know about all this stuff." Like she was just like apologizing for like all the the racism [laughter] and stuff.
Like that that was Wow. I was like, "Dang, I didn't even like I never even thought about it that way." But there's a lot of things I'm pretty sure we you start to recognize later on in life. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
>> Yeah, it's like I did it. Like I Like I noticed certain racist stuff, but you don't realize like, man, everything was racist.
Bro, when we was living I I didn't realize how racist it was until we until I came back to Florida. I was like, "Bro, [ __ ] was racist over there as hell, bro."
[ __ ] was racist as hell over there. We didn't even notice. You know, you know, we 12, bro. We we not going to notice this [ __ ] Oh, for just for everybody to get context, uh me and and Mega, like we went to middle school together when I was living in Texas for a few years. And man, back then we didn't notice a lot of racist [ __ ] But there was some [ __ ] that he did notice because people used to always come up to me like, "Yo, yo, your homie Cameron got got into it with this person." I was like, "What happened?" Whenever somebody go up to me, like, "Yeah, I punched this guy in the face." I was like, "What happened, bro?"
>> [laughter] >> He said some racist. And I was like, "I [ __ ] When they played when they played what what was it Roots? Yeah, they played Roots in school.
>> That was the worst. It It was like the worst time, bro.
Yeah, that's why I I after that I started realize or not quite after that, but that was part of the reason I started realizing actually not all these slave movies even like I mean I I like the movie Django, but even like we just shouldn't have movies about slavery.
Because it's like porn for them, right?
Cuz it's like to them it's like you don't it's like I want to be this and here's a movie that lets me live that out vicariously, right? Trauma porn.
Wait, I don't I don't understand that take. What do you mean? Oh, basically what we're talking about is black trauma porn, right? Where movies that involve black people or mostly black people always involve either slavery or history of racism and oppression. It's basically trauma porn. We're always having movies about about that, right? And besides Black Panther, have you ever seen a movie about black people like, you know, fighting dragons or some cool [ __ ] like that? You almost never see that. All our movies about, you know, the hood and racism. It's It's tiring, you feel me?
What about like Falcon Winter Soldier like the Disney Plus? That was good.
That was good.
>> Yeah. Yeah, I mean I I liked the show.
The TV show was really good, yeah. Yeah.
Now >> Or but I guess that's kind of in the same vein as like Black Panther cuz it's Marvel. Yeah, but now Omega's way more into into comics than than I am. He knows a lot of the history of this stuff, but when it comes to Captain Falcon, right? The only thing that always kind of bothers me is if he's not going to take the super soldier serum, how come they don't give him a super suit like the way they give to Iron Man?
I never understood that. You know what I mean? It's like in some of the comics he could have gotten the the the serum but he didn't take it. And it's like okay, so give the man a super suit. Like what's what's going on with that? How come the writers never never bring that up?
>> like Black Panther and like that show dealt with racism. It did. It did. Yeah.
They uh I mean when you look at uh in that series one of the things is they they kind of did like the I guess the test sneaky airman was part of the thing. Remember there was that old uh guy who got the super serum because he was like a test subject etc. But they don't acknowledge him. So they still kind of like it's not I mean they don't go out and say like >> And that show even like like uh Sam's family like they experienced like racism in like the banking industry, right?
Like I'm pretty sure that was a plot point.
>> They hint at it. They hint very strongly at it.
Yeah.
>> They don't like oh hey I don't want to give out to you know it's like the word urban. Right. Yeah.
>> Exactly. It's a hint, you know what I mean? It's it's not all the way there.
But yeah, man. Like I I I do be wondering I mean us living in this Western society uh being a black person is political, right? Like your our existence is political here. But I would like to see much more of our movies like for example the epic of Mowgli and Baloo. Um right now Christopher Nolan is working on the Odyssey, right? In the Odyssey I want to see that. It's it's going to be amazing cuz I cuz Christopher Nolan is one of my favorite directors. So I want to see the Odyssey.
>> Yeah, he's incredible. He's amazing.
Yeah, he's incredible. But I would love to see um you know him work on something like like the epic of Mowgli and Baloo.
The epic of Mowgli and Baloo if you read it, it's an African story. It's amazing.
You know what I mean? This this this kid um you know he was born with the power to walk. His father wanted to um to to take him out. He had to go to the underworld. He fought a dragon. He fought the sun. Like it's an amazing story. You know what I'm saying? Like I would love to see that either you know Disney make a make a movie out of that or you know, someone like Ryan Coogler or Christopher Nolan work on it, you know what I mean? But we never see that. I want to see Chris I want to see Ryan Coogler make a movie about the Haitian Revolution. That That That would be amazing, you know what I'm saying? So, like I did these There are way more stories out there um that we just don't get >> a movie on the Haitian Revolution would go crazy. That would be really interesting. That's, man. Um who >> only do it if they added uh supernatural elements, cuz they need to do that.
Just add supernatural elements. It could be like the Haitian Revolution, but like some of the people have magic. That would be freaking awesome. That would That would What was that show? But I I I don't even think you need to do that.
Like the Haitian Revolution on its own is like incredible.
Yeah, on its own is already incredible.
But like I I I I would love to see an anime made out of it, but I think they did that at Castlevania, right? Doing on Netflix?
I don't know. Um Yeah, I didn't finish it. Oh, yeah, I didn't see Castlevania.
Okay, Castlevania, there's a I'm up to the fourth parts.
>> Okay, okay, yeah. In In In um in Netflix, they had Castlevania and they did bring up the uh the Haitian Revolution and there was some supernatural stuff on it. But yeah, I would love for it for an anime remix of the Haitian Revolution. That would be amazing, you know what I'm saying? That That That That would be dope. Um Nat Turner's Rebellion, too. That would That would be dope to to to have it as a uh You should do like a mini-series on that, actually. Yeah, yeah, mini-series on that would be really Yeah, yeah, for sure. Cuz I think that's what they want to do with Lovecraft Country. Lovecraft Country was going to be in that in season 2, but you know, that got canceled. I don't know why still, but that that that would have been amazing.
But yeah, right now we're just shooting the [ __ ] guys. There's There's no There's no more guests. I'm going to get out of here soon.
Um I kind of wanted I did want to talk about the God thing. Is that okay? Yeah, yeah, um I'm sure. I mean, your your thing is atheism is is unstoppable, but Yeah, but I I kind of want to just play like devil's advocate. Like talk a little metaphysics. Is that cool?
Uh I I I kind of doubt two devil's advocate.
I want someone who actually genuinely believes it. Yeah, yeah, it was that so you don't have to be an advocate.
No, it's it's all good. Let's keep shooting the [ __ ] cuz I'm I'm going to get out of here in about a few minutes anyway like when this Hold on. There we go. When this goes down to zero, I'm going to I'm going to get out of here. But yeah, check out Castlevania on Netflix.
Really really good. They they mentioned the Haitian Revolution has mystical stuff in there.
Um I heard Pandora was really good too. I got I got to check that out. I heard Pandora was really good and if y'all haven't yet, Seth MacFarlane actually did make a good show called The Orville.
It's on Disney Plus and it actually is a good show. I ain't going to lie. It's actually good. It's Star Trek but it's his version of Star Trek which is which is good. It's it's pretty funny.
I like Seth MacFarlane. He's cool. Yeah, yeah, Seth that's cool. My bad Mega. Go ahead.
I hate to be this but like man, you know, we don't have too much time but like I don't like The Orville and I cuz there's I I am a little bit of a conspiracy theorist on this.
They like doing weird stuff with BLACK CHARACTERS.
>> [snorts] >> YO, MEGA like me and and wifey were talking about this the other day. She says that she likes the show but what they're doing with the black characters is so weird. Like you see on the bottom right.
>> me in? I'm kind of lost. Okay, okay. So in the The Orville is basically like his his ode to Star Trek basically. It's his version of Star Trek. The Orville is about a future society and stuff like that. Now there's black characters in the show.
There's John LaMarr who's like a playboy genius basically. Yeah, he's basically Stone Tony Stark of this world.
There's Dr. Claire Finn and she is a black woman but she's also a single mother.
Mhm. And John Lamar, who's a black man, he's a genius and everything like that, but he's also a playboy. You know what I mean? He's like basically >> Okay, got you. smashing everybody on the ship.
>> like Stereotypical. And not only that, there is a um a species in the in the show, which is an all-male species called the Mak'leth.
And the actors who play them are also black. You know what I mean? Because the Mak'leth have very dark skin. So, all the actors who play the Mak'leth are black people, right? The issue is is that number one, it's a it's a all-male species, so they're very, very chauvinistic, right? But the second problem is that you run into the issue of like people always say how Disney movies, in order for them to connect with a black character, Disney always turns them into animals or something otherworldly. Like Princess and the Frog Exactly. Exactly. Like the movie Soul, you know what I mean? Like Like Hollywood does this a lot in order for them to to connect with a black person, they make them animals or otherworldly.
And here we have another issue of that.
You know what I'm saying? So, it's it It's one of those things, you know?
>> maybe, perhaps.
Say that again?
>> intent I think intent matters for sure.
I mean, I don't want to prescribe intent on like people who like don't deserve it.
Yeah, yeah, of course.
>> But I get what you're saying. I get what you're saying though. It's like like switch it up a little bit. Like try try not doing like be aware. Like as a white person, be aware of what you're doing.
Be aware, exactly. What What Is Is that what you're going to say as well, Megan?
Well, I All those things, one extra thing is that I noticed is that they like to double up when it comes to their minorities, right? So, a lot of shows, they'll be like, "Uh we need a gay character. We need a black character. We need a woman." Oh, a gay black woman.
Ding ding ding, all three.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, I I still like, you know, if you have a cast and it's got four Like, if 25% of the cast was full of like LGBT characters or like, you know, gay or lesbian, etc. All those things.
Sorry if I don't know all the terms. I apologize for that. It would be weird, but it's it's never issue when it's like you have several shows and it's like, okay, 50% of the male characters are feeling here that the black characters are gay, right?
Because, hey, you don't have that much like representation, so they're like, well, we're going to have to do this, so It's like, shows like True Blood.
There's like three black people in there and one of them's a gay guy, right?
>> [laughter] >> And Yo, we got Sorry, can I say one real cuz the clock clock's winding down. I just have a question for the host. Have you seen Breaking Bad?
Amazing. Love Breaking Bad.
>> Great show, dude. I haven't seen I haven't seen Better Call Saul yet. I have to catch up on that.
>> Better Call Saul right now. I heard it's so good. I heard I heard Better Call Saul is so good. I got I got to watch that. Um, I got to watch that.
Satan, I'm bringing you off just for a little bit. I I'll bring you back in a little bit.
>> Have you seen El Camino? I saw like a part of it, then I fell asleep. And by the time I went back to it, it was off of Netflix. I was so pissed. But, I'm going to I'm going to try to get to El Camino. Satan, how's it going, bro?
What's up, man? I heard you were talking about TV shows and I was like, I need to join.
>> [laughter] >> [ __ ] Cuz, you know, we don't we don't have any more guests. Um, yeah, if if y'all still want to join, go ahead. I'll give y'all a few minutes, but right now we're just shooting the [ __ ] before I get out of here. But, yeah, I do hope for season 4 of The Orville, though, Satan. Like, it's because I've I've been rewatching it. It's amazing.
I keep hearing like, cuz it came out uh What was the last season? Like, three or four years ago was the last time it came out.
And I keep looking every couple months.
I'm like, any word on the fourth season?
Like, hey, did we start filming yet? Did they get approved?" And I keep hearing mixed messages and I'm saying, "Oh yeah, we did approve for a fourth season." Or, "Hey, that was just a rumor. We never actually did it." Or, uh they were like, "Well, the creative director is focusing on other projects at the moment." I'm like, "Motherfucker, you left us on a cliffhanger. You need to finish this [laughter] shit."
Yeah, man. He I I'm I'm I'm just waiting for season 4. We're going to see what's uh what what's going to happen, but um if uh My bad, y'all. I was just reading an email. But yeah, I'm just waiting on season 4. We'll see what's what's see what's going to happen with that. Um what I've been watching also is I don't know if you guys have uh Apple TV, but For All Mankind, amazing show. For All Mankind is based in a universe where the USSR actually won the space race. They won the race to the moon. So, because of that, um America put in basically all of its efforts into winning the space race, basically. And because of that, we actually reach Mars in the 1990s.
Amazing show. Yeah yeah I got to watch it. It's right now on It's on season 5 right now. It's really good. So, if you guys want some want something to watch, you have Apple TV, For All Mankind is amazing.
Um Severance, that's another one that's amazing. I don't know if >> Oh, I've heard that's good. Yeah, Severance is really good.
>> It's uh what's his name? Uh What's the guy who made made it's name?
Uh Uh Ben Stiller.
Yeah, Ben Stiller. There There we go.
He's really He's really good. I like Ben Stiller.
Did you ever hear of the show uh I think it's called See? Have you ever heard of that? I heard See is good.
Uh I've I've heard See is very good.
>> say. Jason Momoa, right?
>> Jason Momoa, yeah.
Mhm. I keep I watched the first episode.
I'm like, "I'm in. I'm 100% in." I was like, "Bly The entire world goes blind except for these five kids, and now the blind world is trying to find these five kids, and they don't have firearms, it's like uh post-apocalyptic, but also prehistoric. I'm like, "Oh, I'm I'm in.
I'm in." You just see Jason Momoa [ __ ] people up. I do have a question for the host, cuz I I have live access, but how do you create backgrounds for TikTok Live? Oh, I'm actually using my um I'm actually using my my my StreamYard for this. Um you can use your phone, uh but I have uh the TikTok Studio. With TikTok Studio, you can you can do it. And what I did with TikTok Studio is that I'm actually um mirroring my screen over on my my StreamYard, basically. So, this is this all this is basically my my computer. You know what I mean? Like um Hold on. Let me Let me see if I can I can move this around. See how how I'm just moving around? This is basically my computer, so.
That's what That's what I'm doing with it.
Um so, yeah. It's It's uh It's It's It's cool to use like the TikTok Studio is cool.
Um but that's how I use it, or you can use the um or you can use your phone. Um what I do is, you know, I have I'm on Canva, and I just do that. Hold on, guys.
>> is an app? Canva is an app?
>> Yeah, Canva is an app. It's a website.
Um and you There is something that you got to pay like $15 a month, because everything is a subscription-based now, cuz Jesus Christ.
You know what I mean? Um hold on, y'all.
I think we have one last person named Steez. Steez says, "If you don't believe in God, what do you believe the origin of it all?" Anyone want to answer that?
>> I take this one? Yeah, yeah, go ahead.
All right, cool.
Bring him on up.
Yeah, well, we'll see if Steez wants to come up. If he If he doesn't, then I guess you could just answer him in the in the comments. He said he's not trying to debate. He just wants to He just wants to ask.
>> Okay, what was the question then? This question is, if you don't believe in God, what do you believe the origin of it all?
Oh, um okay.
So, I guess I just would say the universe has always been here. Like that for me, that's the most like sufficient answer for me.
And to be honest like what like I could just flip it back on you. Where did God come from? Like it's just like an infinite regression no matter what. If you're going to say God has always been there, then why can't it be any different from the universe?
And then usually they just special plead to God. So I mean Yeah, God God is is special some somehow. But I I I do agree with that. What do you say Satan?
Yeah, I say who I honestly Who the [ __ ] cares?
>> [laughter] >> I I don't give a [ __ ] about the origin of the universe. I don't. It doesn't in my in my atheist tendencies. Like it it doesn't do anything. The only people who think about this [ __ ] are people who constantly have the debate about the origin of the universe.
It doesn't make a difference. I'm still not going to believe in your God. I don't know what the origin of the universe is. I don't. And I don't care.
I want to talk about the here and now. I don't give a [ __ ] what happened 13 billion years ago.
Yeah, I mean I will I would say that yeah, I'm I'm I agree with that. Even if we do give the the universe a specific origin point, that doesn't necessarily mean that what caused it is a is a God.
But I would also say that the hot dense state for somehow we don't know what it is yet, but it was likely always here.
You know what I mean? So and if we're going to say that just like how how how unstoppable was saying we can say the same thing for for the God, right? If if if we ask where did God come from? If God was always here, we can say the same thing with the universe. Universe was always here in somehow some fashion. We just don't understand it yet. But hey guys, I do appreciate y'all, but I am going to get go ahead and get out of here. Been on for about 2 hours. Going to spend some time with wifey. Y'all definitely come back tomorrow, okay? Give me a follow.
Drop me a follow. We're going to come back tomorrow. Can you drop me a follow?
Can you drop me a follow? I'm trying to get more followers. Yeah, yeah, I'm I'm going to drop you a follow. And once I get off of my phone, no problem. And Satan Because you asked, I'm not doing it.
>> [laughter] >> I didn't ask you, buddy.
Hey, Daddy Satan.
>> No, Shane, I'm giving you a follow real quick. Oh, good. Daddy Satan, I I promise, bro, we going to get on a live together one day. I promise, man. I'm I'm going to figure it out, bro. One of these days I'll be off and I'll I'll jump on it. I promise. We'll We'll figure it out one day.
>> The days I saw it like the day you I was able to come up, uh you were doing the uh it was the question, um black people shouldn't be uh Christian/Muslim and I'm like, yeah, that's not that's I'm not going to be the one white dude who tries to get on that panel.
>> [laughter] >> Yeah, hey, yo, uh you know, Du Rag does white people shouldn't be Christian. You have ever been on that panel?
>> Yeah, my question would be no one should be this [ __ ] None of it makes any [ __ ] sense.
Yeah, man, but um whenever someone asks me that, I'm like, yeah, white people shouldn't be Christian, either. You know what I mean? I think Italians should go go back to Roman paganism. Yeah, you know what I'm saying?
Uh Irish >> I'm Italian. Don't give the Italians that idea cuz they'll start conquering [ __ ] again. Don't give them that idea.
>> [laughter] >> I got you, man. Hey, yo, Mega, I'm a I'm going to drop you a follow again. I'm not sure if I'm following you, but I'm definitely going to drop you a follow and um we'll talk more, man. I don't know if you ever do lives on anything else. Um Not [laughter] even.
But yeah, man, me um um Mega used to battle, too. So, maybe you could just start doing lives on uh watching battles again. Maybe we'll get We'll get that popping because battle rap is not in a good space right now, bro. It's not a good space right now.
For sure, for sure.
Uh there's the 80s meet up thing. Aren't you Aren't you Is it set in June or something? It's in June. You still in Florida, bro?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. We got a link, man.
I'm in Central Florida now.
Yeah, yeah, man, I've been trying to, man. You You You don't answer your phone, dog.
>> [laughter] >> I got I I I I think I have your number somewhere. I I have I haven't been reaching out, but I was thinking, man, I was show up to that atheist thing or whatever. Yeah, yeah, show up. It's in It's in It's in my bio, all right? But, hey guys, let me go ahead and get out of here. I appreciate y'all though, all right? Y'all Y'all have a good night though.
All right. Appreciate it, man. Have a good night. You too. All right, guys. We um as always as always hang out as always end off, be soft um
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