The Dunning-Kruger effect is a cognitive bias where people with less knowledge in a particular domain tend to overestimate their own competence and confidence, while those with more knowledge become more aware of how much they don't know. This phenomenon, named after psychologists David Dunning and Justin Kruger, explains why beginners often feel more certain about their opinions than experts, who recognize the complexity and limitations of their understanding.
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Added:Hi, >> we're back.
>> Where did you announce? Did you announce on Discord?
>> Yeah, I told I told them on Discord.
Yeah, >> you're good.
>> On I'm with Genius channel.
>> Even though I am not a genius. It's not really with Genius. It's about geniuses.
So, yeah.
>> It's like a genius recap. Kind of >> genius recap. Yes. Without the geniuses.
Just [laughter] >> two dum dums. [clears throat] >> That's it. Although, I did notice something about the geniuses. the real dum dums. Um, it's dumb. It's dumb. It's It's dumb and dumber. I be the dumber.
[laughter] Um, >> I accept being a dumb. Yeah.
>> It's uh, it's funny how I do notice that a lot of these people we speak to always defer to other people as smarter.
>> So maybe we're geniuses because we're constantly deferring.
[laughter] >> This effect, right, that they talk about that the less people know, the more confident they are about their opinions.
And >> what's that called? Uh yes, there's a >> there's a certain >> someone in chat will I'm sure get it in a moment, but >> yes. Oh yes, chat. Sorry, I did not see I forgot about the chat.
>> What?
>> I want to see the chat.
>> How could you forget about chat?
>> Hi today. Oh, that's mixing it up.
>> Yeah. Yes. Sigma sir. Hello. Hello. Go for fluff.
>> Fluffer. Fluffernut.
>> Sky. Oh, I'm [laughter] sorry, Skye. Oh, so many crimes.
>> There you go. That's a lot of >> crime. I just >> Dunning Krueger. That's it. That does that sounds amazing Krueger. Yes.
>> Yeah. That the less you know, the more you think you know.
>> Yes. Hi, deaf. Hi.
>> Sort of makes sense though because the more you know, the more you realize how little you know, >> how much Yeah. Like that's a very very old adage, right? Socrates. I think >> that's the problem with all these old adages. They actually work quite well.
>> Yes. Uh, we don't change as much as one might think.
>> Yeah, that's true. [snorts] Uh, I I had to I bashed out my email of awesome today. I'm going to go back and do some I'm going to go and edit it now that it's live. Just use >> some vampire.
Um, but it's okay. I mean, you you sent a whole full think of that are awesome >> with my imaginary pig.
>> I haven't read it yet. I just came back.
>> How could you? It came it it like it arrived like a minute before we started.
[laughter] >> It arrived a bit earlier, but I I just came back from uh the uh library. So, >> it's funny, you know, one of the things that came up which I I I just loved was I don't know if you've ever watched any of Sam Neil's videos when he was on his farm, his two paddocks farm. They are so if you just want a nice little cheer up, I mean, he's gone now, but um I know >> but a nice little cheer up. He was so good during the pand pandemic and he was also just really obviously very much enjoyed this very simple existence with with his not that I guess it's not that simple if you're running a winery but he's just just I I don't know I just it really resonated with me and then I went back to watch it recently when he when he when he died I want to just go back and have a look at it and I was sort of reminded at what a just like that there's just you know for all of his Hollywood stuff for all of his huge success esses in the film industry and everything. He had just found his happy place. And I was just I think honestly that was that was the I think the biggest accomplishment he made is that he found this place with his you know with his friends and with his family and and and you know more so than any Jurassic Parks or worlds or any of that kind of stuff. And I just >> Yeah. uh that enables you to taste success the way other people define it and that also enables you to experiment with what you also would like because if you have more wealth >> um you can actually try out all these different things >> that and and see what can make you happy at what level of >> kind of life what kind of lifestyle do you want because if you don't have it then there's only so limited part of experiences that you cannot get a winery if you're, you know, dirt poor. Uh so that but it is important to find what makes you happy and what is the definition of your own success rather than having this you know something that is uh defined like you know by either amount of Oscars or any other outward achievements and just >> distractions there were sorry go yeah go >> many hob rock hopper uh in yes you didn't know this was happening because we did not announce it we just decided few days ago because we don't have a guest this week. Therefore, we decided to do the wrap-up because I'm going to be gone in a week. Uh >> yeah, someone's got some holidaying to do.
>> Yes. Uh so that's that's going to happen. And is there a newsletter equivalent of coding in prod? I have no idea what that is.
>> Is there a what?
>> Newsletter equivalent of coding in prod.
I don't know what that is. That's Jen asking. I don't know.
>> Jen of Canadia, but she is not in Canadian >> equivalent of coding in production.
>> Huh.
>> This guy is asking if you ever tried Samuel's wine.
>> Uh, no, but I will now. He has a great he had a great uh quote about that where he said like I've start I started this this winery and he started with one little field and he said I I started it with uh the idea of making a a I think it was a pon noir that my friends and I could drink and it turns out we'll drink anything so it was very easy [laughter] I just thought it was really cute there's a wine I think there was some kind of wine [clears throat] in his background there was some kind of a farming thing in his Anyways that's not what we came to talk about Cal's here.
Hey, Cal.
>> Oh, hello, Cal.
>> Fabulous.
>> Nice to see you.
>> I I never get to see the chat when I'm doing these normally now, so I I don't know. Like I mean, Cal could have been here the entire time and I wouldn't have even known like, you know.
>> Um, okay. Uh, so we've got a like there's a lot to recap. I mean, recap's the wrong word, but to geek out about. I mean, the the the the we ran the gamut over the last like eight episodes.
There's a lot of stuff going on. Um, >> yeah, we had this.
>> We had eight episodes, I think, since our last wrap-up.
>> Yeah, eight. You know, we've done 52 episodes now.
>> Really?
>> Do you know how few podcasts make it that far? Especially when they've got like a like a cat like me to herd.
>> Well, it works because I just keep providing you the scientists to talk and schedule it. So, you know, that's that's that's basically how you keep it going.
It works really well because acne does everything. It's amazing. It's amazing.
>> No, that is not true, David. That is not true. Let's last let's say uh David is actually he does all the research about the guest and the guest when they send in uh all the homework. David does research on that and uh has all the questions and everything. I I have actually >> but yeah but I I mostly just organize and then I'm in the background of looking at what people are talking about this >> you put up with this madness this [laughter] the chatting mad >> uh it's mostly fun people here are very nice >> yeah it's actually I'm I mean again Touchwood uh there's there's it's a it's a real it's always been a really good bunch the Stargate folks like they they and I it seems to bring in a nice a nice group of people and then that's sort of expanded now. I was really surprised. I I had the most amazing time um in um uh at at that Shoreleaf convention because it was a fan-run convention which I I don't think I've been to a purely fan-run convention for a long time. I mean, well, I say that I guess there are ones. Yeah, I suppose the English one is also fan-run to some extent. Um, but this was like purely like an organized group of fans who have been doing this thing for like 46 years or something now. And it was just eye opening just the number of people and the number of >> sort of skills and areas of expertise that they come from. Um, whether it's, you know, whether it's the sciences or the arts or I mean the number of cute little, you know, art pieces that people have done or beautiful, you know, as well as all as well as a guy outside with a with a telescope. So, it was just it was just an amazing amazing experience. But what I was the point of this was we had I had a number of people come up and say like, "Hey, you know, I watch you watch the videos now. Why the hell aren't you exercising more?" That kind of stuff.
>> Yeah. People miss the the learn and burn. I just I'll say hi OG Confysio.
Hi, Bookshelf. Hi, everyone. So, yes, I'm glad that you enjoy it. And I think that um I think that a lot of actors underestimate the impact especially of these shows that h that has ongoing impact on people's life and and how much they come back for the show as a comfort watch how much they like you know if their heart live in there and it's just it exists in in fans lives I think much more than in yours and you have such a different perspective on it because you can't as I understand you don't even >> we have our own fandom. We have our own fandom. I mean like that's the we've got our like I got my Doctor Who like like that doctor my Doctor Who is is is other people's Stargate stuff. I'm old.
>> Uh I think there's uh there's quite uh recent Doctor Who's as well, right? So it's >> Yeah, I haven't got so funny. Yeah, I haven't done haven't kept up with it in a weird way. There's something kind of nice about, again, not that I don't want more Stargate, but what's kind of nice about it being just its own little contained thing is you can't you don't spoil it by making it again 20 years later and screwing things up. So, [laughter] >> no, that's true. Um, wholesome Vampire, will Rachel literal be on Actually Brilliant? So, yes, >> absolutely. Yeah. And even if we didn't have an Actually Brilliant, I'd have her back on again because we had such a great time.
>> We had such a great time at Shirley. So, that was another thing was really nice.
Just nice catching up with her. And she's got she's amazing. She's like I Yeah, I I I I want her to become an internet celebrity. Maybe not an internet celebrity, an internet sensation. I feel like there's so much stuff that she's got to share and talk to people about. And I think actually brilliant could be a great place, but that's it.
>> Yes. Because that's like we have certain questions on actually brilliant, but um it branches out to a lot more.
Therefore, >> yeah, >> you know, you can go on for two hours and talk about so many things.
>> There is that.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Actually, brilliant. I think it's a good vehicle to bring back people that, you know, that's kind of what what you've been doing. And I think that we can tell people who's going to be our next video of actually brilliant, right?
Because I teased I said on Discord, >> we haven't told people yet. We haven't told people yet. I just I just teased that it's going to be one of the most kick-ass characters in The Expanse. So, the actress of that and I let people people guess it, but it's they had so many >> kickass female characters >> that there is a list. So, just to reveal now, >> just our favorite. [laughter] >> My favorite. I just cuz I know her.
Yeah, >> it is uh it is Kaji >> who played Kamina Drummer, >> our favorite belter because she's she was really awesome. She was my favorite character.
>> She's fantastic. We did a we did a parenting podcast together basically that actually brilliant turned into a parenting podcast cuz she's >> it was it was lovely. She expresses herself and thinks so differently. I I am looking forward to having that. She is this wonderful kind of strange combination.
>> I I just I of of just various different influences and I I I just Yeah. I just love her. I find her absolutely fascinating. I mean, I found it quite intimidating at first until I until she opened her mouth and then it's like she's that's it. Exactly. Like I the idea of going to work with her, we went and did um levels together. uh the idea of going to work with her I was like sort of oh everyone's like oh car gez car Jesus car gez and um you know and I kept saying her name wrong too because it's cara not cara >> cara and uh and uh >> and she was so delightful and so I couldn't get over how funny she was >> you know that's even more maddening when people are like beautiful talented and funny it's like come on >> so annoying right >> isn't it we got to get we got less annoying people on actually brilliant we [laughter] should do a new podcast called less annoy annoying. I mean, just like to people who aren't as wonderfully now it's not going to do well as a podcast.
>> I mean, there there are formats like between two ferns and all these kind of things that could work.
>> I find those uncomfortable though. I I find him >> I think he's very very funny at times, but there are other times where I just find it kind of cringey. There's like a >> I think it's a certain kind of humor that uh works for for different people like very different. I think humor has so many branches that not everything has to work for you.
>> Yeah, the shock humor stuff doesn't work for me. I'm not I don't Yeah, there's a >> It's different preferences.
>> Therefore, okay, so we announced what's going to be next actually. Brilliant.
Um, and hopefully we'll have uh Rachel as well. It's just that we record them and then I hope that David will upload them. [laughter] >> Yeah.
>> Now, I did throw you under the bus.
>> No, throw me under the bus. No, it's funny. I've actually got what what I've been trying to do just to let people know what I do is I like to go through them again. So I listen to them all again and I just I go like do we need this? Does this like so I I will edit them to some extent. Not more just to sort of just get rid of the mess if that makes sense. Like if there's connection issues or if there's just boring administrative stuff that isn't really working I'll I'll cut that out. Um, and then what I'll also do now is I will go through and put the whole thing through an audio filter to try to make it nice and crispy and crunchy and like, you know, so it sounds amazing. Um, or at least better. And I want to do that. I actually want to go back and do all of the old ones as well because some of the audio is just really needs to tell.
>> No, that's great.
>> So, yeah. So, that's what I've been doing. But I I've I've got I've got that one basically ready to go. So, I should uh >> Oh, I did try Yeah. And then I start playing. That's the other problem. The reason why the Cara ones take so long is because I started playing with like, oh, what if I like pop in a little closer and come back and then so it gives a little variety to the way it looks.
Yeah, that didn't work. So, I had to go back and undo all of that and go back [snorts] to the way it was.
>> Well, that's experimenting. So, >> never heard of The Expanse. Wow. You got then you're welcome. You learned it here first. Yeah, The Expanse is um for me was the best sci-fi show that came out since um Stargate. I've never It's true because I love Star much. They are very different. Of course, it's just the expanse, the accuracy of science.
>> Uh the books are great is um but you know it's it's there there is something about the emotional level of how you attach yourself to a show. So Stargate for me was something that I just attached myself. And the expanse when I watched the pilot episode, I was blown away. I was like, "This this this is what I'm going for. This is going to be great. I just knew it." And I loved it so much. I'm I'm sad that they didn't make more stuff because um >> How long did you end up going for? Was it seven?
>> Five.
>> Five years.
>> Five I think. Five. Yeah. Because they had two years on Sci-Fi than the Amazon.
uh bought them and there's three more I think seasons on Prime that they >> why stop if you're prime if you're prime video why even stop >> uh for expensive production I assume and you know uh you know that decisions made in prime do not always um are made in ways that >> are you being diplomatic are you trying to be diplomatic >> I am trying very hard not to >> not that you're not normally diplomatic but you're normally you're very normally you're like very straight about stuff, but when it comes to certain things, you're very good at going like, "No, I'm not going to be straight about that because I may have my thoughts on it, but other people may have different thoughts. You're very good at it. I'm Yeah, I just blurt it out and go like, "Amazon, you suck. Why the hell did you cancel the Stargate reboot?" That's what I say.
>> I think that they have a lot of decisions that they made that uh have a lot of fandoms that were not very happy about these.
>> There's a lot of Yeah, there's a lot of other fandoms that are going to get things that we don't and vice versa.
It's but it is on on them. They they're the money people. They decide and then we uh we have to deal with the consequences. But >> Right. And so do they because frankly if they start losing audience then that's you know that's a it's a funny world. I I I do worry about so few places having the sort of the the the power to to decide what we get to watch. Um but uh but again in a way it always was right.
I mean, it used to be just used to be TV studios that could decide.
>> There's always gatekeepers. Um, it's just the streamers. There has been a lot more um options to go for different things, but then uh everything kind of well I believe that intification happens to pretty much everything and to streaming as well. Uh because before it was more like oh this is a venue where uh other shows can go and some really nice shows were safe. So, the Expanse was saved by Amazon, Lucifer was saved by uh Netflix and I think that was a great show and the way they like I liked Lucifer and and it was very weird how they >> I watched a couple think I watched.
>> Yeah, it's great. I I I think Tom Ellis is great uh and just an incredible character and and and really fun this kind of show where it's it's just fun to go along the the the way the episodic you know uh procedural style is just I I I prefer these shows in general and therefore I found it very very good very good soundtrack too. So >> I came in for the last two episodes of Euphoria.
>> My wife's been watching it. My wife and myself have been watching it forever and I came in and just happened to sit down while they were watching like the well she was watching the second last episode >> and uh immediately got kind of sucked in. I thought it was just just you know the I couldn't part of it I just couldn't get over just the the budgets and the fact that they could just do what basically whatever the hell they wanted to which is just >> kind of amazing. Um and that although that can also go very wrong too. I mean, I've seen that with a lot of like Spielberg films and stuff where you go like >> no budget, no restraints and then you sort of don't have to make the decisions and yeah, it's weird.
>> Again, choice my my opinion on it. Um, we should get into recaps because I realize I've got to do I've got this um, uh, as a friend of ours who's who's who's this is kind of exciting actually.
Friend of ours who's whose kid is looking at getting into the scientist possibly some space related scientists um, and was talking to his parents who said, "Oh, well, you know, David talks to these people all the time." And so he wanted to find out about talking to Issa and I so I'm going to talk to him, find out what his deal is, what he's sort of interested in. And then I might bring it to you um and uh or or a couple of our and possibly a couple of our of our previous guests to talk to about it because um um he's definitely interested in in some antenna antenna related stuff. So I I was like, we talked to antenna people. We know them.
>> Yeah. Well, literally like when we went uh into the private tour that we had and we were in a herz room, we'll literally talk to antenna engineer there.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> So, we could potentially put him in touch with someone. I I don't know what exactly what what he's what he has some think specific questions, but I also I think he just kind of likes I think the idea of just talking about what [snorts] I love this stuff because I just I just feel like if there's any way you could introduce people into stuff. I got, by the way, I got the most wonderful um video message from one of my old tech bandits. Um, bat bat food I think we used to call her. Um, and uh uh which was just basically saying like, hey, I'm doing science and tech and that's, you know, looking back it's, you know, partially because of tech bandits and and uh so I love any any kind of way I can feel like I'm somehow pushing people towards the real science stuff is very exciting to me. So, >> super.
>> Yeah. So, I'll probably put him off it entirely and become an actor. That's probably what'll happen.
>> Um, all right.
>> Of course. Okay. So, the first one that uh we had after our last recap was of an Anna Maria from Plato >> 26 cameras of joy. Yeah.
>> Yeah. It was a second scientist who worked on Plato and somebody who you actually met at the open days on Aztec >> had like a conversation. Yeah. She was at a little booth outside. She was so enthusiastic about to talk to people like it was quite cold and and this outside >> it was not it was fairly miserable.
Yeah, the weather was not great and she was out there.
>> It's the Netherlands. just the weather does not treat you well most of the time. And uh yeah, she was just uh sitting like standing out there whole day and talking science to people like how enthusiastic and dedicated have to be after years of career be so joyful and and and stand outside be and and just just share that joy just >> well I said like do you mind if I if I put this on video and she's like yeah sure go ahead and and it was like I I yeah she was like the perfect guest like we basically she was like we're like well we got to get her you know and sure enough she is absolutely amazing. I mean, >> yes. Uh, so I just like to say what um just one thought of from the video or anything that that we liked about it.
For me, um I think that what gets me is the precision that they need for doing the science because uh when we talk about the trans transit method like you know measuring what uh exoplanets according to the dipu that they have it's like it's and they say like oh yeah like you know dip that's that's that's the method that we we use but the precision required I wrote it down a um one of 80 parts per million in starlight. That's the dip. Just like a dip of Yeah. It's just just the the accuracy of it has to be so high. And that's why we I mean what we get from all these, you know, measurements is is is data. It's a lot of maths. It's a lot of numbers. So we haven't seen exoplanets for a very long time because we had wrong uh assumptions of how how the solar systems evolve. Uh, and then people started noticing, oh, these, you know, Jupiter-l like things are very close to the sun and going really fast around. That's not how it works here in the solar system. And they called the hot Jupiters and it was the first exoplanets that we realized we have >> the first ones. [laughter] >> Uh, as far as I know, these were the first ones because they're large and they are more detectable because there just, >> you know, the data is there.
>> Uh, blotting out the sky, is there?
>> Yes. But now just what we've done and I don't know how long the science of exoplanets is but I remember that I think it was in the '9s that we we talked about the first exoplanets. So and now what we what we can detect and the data that we have about the exoplanets not just that they exist but we can actually know what is in there is incredible.
>> How do you pull that data out of all the noise as well? Well, that's the thing that I can't I can't believe that I mean, you know, it you know, a you know, a star dips in value.
>> Well, that could be I mean, that could be any I mean, you're so far away. It could be something else between it.
Could be there's all sorts of things that could be responsible for it. A fly moving across the camera lens. I mean, but you know, there's just so many silly little things that could affect that.
The fact that we can that we are able to get this data and then process it all, make something make an image of a of another planet out of this extraordinary. Yeah.
>> Uh and Quint says that yes, hot chapters were the first 1995. So I was right about the timing.
>> 1995.
>> Yes. In my lifetime >> quite quite recent because I remember reading u my my first encyclopedia was before that and I just remember information from there and how much how many things we've discovered since. It's pretty incredible to see the the acceleration of of findings. I think I'm gonna have to make a hot Jupiter t-shirt.
>> I just like that. That just sounds good.
>> Jupiter.
>> Jupiter. Jupiter. [snorts] >> But that then people will think that you're calling yourself hot Jupiter.
>> Yeah. And is that a bad thing?
>> No. No. I am I am >> hot Jupiter. What? How you doing? Hot Jupiter. Yeah, that's going to be me from now on. My band.
>> Um, sure. You You're really like David's audio. Really? Am I really that low?
>> I don't know. That's on X. Uh, can everyone just Yeah, >> apparently I'm low. I might be too far away from the from the microphone. It's possible, too. I'm immediately paranoid that it's me.
>> Uh, how does how is the sound going? We should probably have asked that earlier, shouldn't I?
>> Well, it seems that people heard you or >> Yeah, because they were laughing at my jokes. Unless they're just being polite.
Maybe that's it. I'm just going to check my sound mixture. Uh, how is my output volume?
Output volume. Input volume. Thank you, Anquentas, for um information.
>> I mean, it is uh it's when I get closer to the mic here. I might just do this just in case. How's that? Is that a little better? It's great. We can hear him just fine. Oh, great. Now I'm 10 to 20% lower.
How's that a little better? Everything's awesome. Um okay. See, this is the part that I would cut out when I go back or I leave it in because it's just funny how often I screw up the audio, you know.
No, it's I mean it's normal to have us uh in but people can hear us so it's just about that if it's 20 30% difference it's not that >> yeah and I'll again something I will adjust later >> important >> um so uh yes sorry carry on you were you were saying >> no uh that is that is what I had from Plato do you have any specific memory about that chat that uh >> I took a couple little notes here let me see I the thing that struck me was yes well for I mean yes I was for some reason I'm enamored with the idea of these 26 cameras. There's something sort of like spiderlike about this about a satellite with all of these little eyes.
>> Um but and then of course there's a whole science behind the the discovering these exoplanets. Amazing. But I think the other thing that stuck out to me I got here is the um is that she said yes to fields that nobody had heard of yet.
I thought that was just a really interesting thing that she you know that she was open to these these areas of science that didn't have a a p a clear path >> astroismology I wrote down that that is just >> how how does it sounds so cool actually >> it yeah it's extraordinary I just I loved I just again I love the science I love learning all this stuff as you say I love doing the homework work. I I so obviously I love all of the science and and tech and and and stuff, but there's there's also something about this that I love, which is the human element, which is this is like, you know, how do these people do it? Like, how do these people end up here? And almost always it's like this curiosity based. I think I'm just like I'm just conf I'm just confirming my own biases on these things, but the idea that you're just open to stuff and excited about stuff and that will lead you into all these it's always worked for me. So, I it's just kind of nice to hear that scientists also work the same way. So that I thought that was that was good.
>> Yeah. Yeah. People just come in uh from and and have these curiosities very early on. I really like uh hearing about that >> as well. And Sarano, I think my most memorable one was, you know, when we talked to um Sarah, right? uh the one with the material science >> and the the fact that she watched Iron Man and and for her that was like >> material sciences.
>> Yes. Like I I could build a better thing and and [clears throat] of course it made me also think oh wow somebody is so young she's she's working as a professional at Isa and her inspiration was >> start on that. Yeah. Yeah. [laughter] >> Yes.
>> My dad used to watch your show. I'm like, "Oh, god." Uh, yeah. Yeah. It's I I love how it >> I just I love how people get into this stuff as well. I just I love what inspires them into it. And I I just think it's just that it's just a reminder, I think, to everybody to sort of stay curious and to stay open to stuff because, you know, otherwise you'll miss these opportunities. If you're just complaining about your life and the way things are the whole time, you're not you're not open to opportunities. And I think the stuff comes up and you just sort of want to be able to do that. as you say, sometimes it helps if you've got some, you know, you've got you've got the the, you know, an income that allows you to do that, but even then, I think there's sometimes there's just you just got to >> I I I feel like I feel like you got to follow the stuff that you're interested in and the rest of it will fall into place. You know what I mean? If you're willing to do the work and you're willing to pursue stuff, it may not be, you know, the top of mind for people to start with, but I think eventually if you stick with stuff like that, it seems to come around. So, >> yeah. And qua said that it's leap of faith is needed and yeah I I I think that is doesn't mean that it will always work out the way you envision especially because there there is a survivor bias in this a lot because we hear >> yeah we're talking to people who it worked out for. Yes.
>> That's like the actors who always like take these crazy risks and they got their movie and it's like yeah there's like a thousand people who failed miserably doing the same thing.
>> Exactly. So that's not to forget that part. But uh definitely in sciences I think there there is a path and there there always will be some way something will work out but again um >> material science.
>> Oh >> that's interesting.
>> That's cool.
>> Looks like we might be talking to him soon.
>> Uh [laughter] a lot of we've had a hello from Mexico City. Flammy from Mexico City. Hello.
>> Hi Flammy.
>> Amazing city by the way. Mexico City.
>> I have not been. And uh Bahmood said hello from >> from Egypt. Egypt.
>> I know. Hello. And thank you. I haven't been there.
>> We'll take your Egypt love. We love it.
Um, yeah.
>> I was thought that was thought that's kind of interesting. We've got I kind of want to get a map and just put little dots on all the places that we we talk to people from.
>> Uh, >> nope. Terrible idea, Jen says. Okay.
Well, there you go. He's off the list.
[laughter] >> Yeah, I know. Uh, we already discussed that in Genius Cafe.
>> Yes. True.
>> And Yeah. Um, yeah. No, and it was amazing. We I feel very lucky. This is the problem with doing these recaps is I want to bring everyone back now.
>> I want to talk to them all over again.
[snorts] >> Well, we can have >> Yes.
>> Yeah. The next one. Yeah, I remember the next one.
>> Okay. VA.
>> VA.
>> Dr. Ver.
>> You go ahead. You go ahead.
>> Uh, well, she was my colleague in International Space University summer program in 2018. U great person. And what actually for me the most memorable part she's like she's a physicist who works in medical field a very very specific uh interesting thing and the biggest hurdle for her research is getting a cat [snorts] >> I forgot about that my camera finding cats >> weird um yes it's because uh you have to have a cat with because she's doing cancer research so you have to have a cat with that type of cancer that she's looking for. And she gets the cat and and and that that is that is just such a you don't think you think about scientists and you think they're in their labs always doing something and she's waiting for the cat to be able to do something. And that's that's not what you think about when you think about sciences. And I I I just love that we get to talk to people and find out all the different things that happen.
>> She gets like calls from vets saying like, "Ah, you know what? little little Miffy's got whatever cancer and she's like I mean oh can we look after and and and then work on that it's amazing it's it's it's uh um that was I'd forgotten about that part of it uh I was just for me >> what got me was I always whenever I think of chem of uh radiation therapy um that wouldn't be chemotherapy would it chemotherapy is the chemical version radiation therapy I guess >> the I always think of it like a sledgehammer I always think of it like you just like you're nuking these people in the rough area of a of a tumor and [clears throat] hoping it's going to do something. Whereas this is like taking it from sledgehammer to um to a scalpel.
Like it's the idea that they can they've managed to become so specific in what they're able to do >> using particle physics which is pretty incredible. Hi hi Norway and hi Spain.
So, I'm just saying.
>> No, Spain. The Basque region particularly I quite like.
>> I I haven't been to Basque region. We're going to Atorias. So, that's going to be nice.
>> Yeah. Oh, Jane last night. Little insight. Uh Jane is talking very loudly upstairs. Um uh she made a Basque cheesecake last night.
>> Oh, the the the one the San Sebastian, the the burnt one. Oh, >> let's just say I'm going to need a bigger camera because if she keeps eating that, I'm going to be like, >> "So, you're going to be hot Jupiter?
>> I'm going to be a hot Jupiter."
[laughter] >> Going to have your own gravity.
>> Not so hot. But I will definitely have my own gravity peel and I will definitely blot out the sun. [laughter] >> Yeah. Um, yeah, she made her first first one and it was even had the slightly creamy stuff in the center and >> that sounds my mouth is watering.
>> Amazing. mine too because I love that cheesecake and I really want to go to San Sebastian. Like it's now in my top list too.
We're going to Atorias now and I I I like I what I've seen online about that region. It also looks amazing.
>> I mean I look the whole I just want to go everywhere at this point now you know.
>> Yes.
>> Ideally teleport. I can't stand all the flying but um is there anything else there? Free radicals. Oh marathon running. She also she's running marathons and >> yeah she she was running all the time when we were uh in SSP. So mo like most people were partying and then trying to get to lectures in the morning because you want to go to lectures because the there are either NASA scientists or astronauts giving the lectures. It was really cool. But she did the you know 10k. It's like oh yeah just doing that.
Um yeah it's hardcore. She's hardcore.
And she's doing it. Wasn't she like, wasn't she was she wasn't running around the inside of the particle accelerator, right? But she was definitely walking it.
>> I I think she was talking about that.
Like I >> she actually ran it or not.
>> Oh, >> but there's definitely pictures of her in the in the tunnels and I just thought like, well, there's a circuit, you know?
>> Yeah.
>> Put that on your Google map tracking.
[laughter] >> Exactly. We'll see if they let us go into some sort of a particle accelerator when they're there.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Well, me and my Basque Cheesecake and Waddle down. If I fit if I still fit in the tunnels. Um >> I hope it's a it's like two months and a half away. I hope you will not, you know, become a truly Jupiteresque by that time.
>> I might I might need two seats on the plane by the time we get to Yeah, it's possible.
>> Yes.
>> Or the train. Um, I have something about Hulk. I have something about Hulk and gamma rays. What do you remember anything about that?
>> Uh, no. I there we had so many videos now. I am my my memory is struggling to encompass it. Plus, I was just two hours trying to speak Dutch, >> which is very mentally tasking.
Therefore, >> that's got to be exhausting. Yeah.
>> Uh, yes. when when you are A1 level in the language and try to speak it is um it is very very taxing and so my my brain is a little bit mush now >> I well no I might have got it wrong I just maybe it was something that I was going to ask about Hulk and gamma rays but um but I seem to think that was apparently it doesn't work [laughter] that's what I got from it uh no that was amazing like the this whole flash therapy thing um and >> yeah I'm just gonna respond bookshelf of mount of Luffy. Uh as yes, I heard it is amazing and uh I we already have a list of food and Cidra the cider. They are famous for cider not for wine and it is a place where reconista started. So it has like a very interesting reconista. Uh, >> their cider is weird though. Like I It's not I liked it, but it's but it's not the sort of It's not the sort of like >> sweet cider that you think of, the British cider. Yeah.
>> Well, I will. I will.
>> But try it. Yeah. I ordered cider there because I wanted I'd heard the same thing. I was like, "Oh, this Basque cider is apparently amazing." And I had it and I was like, >> "Whoa, it's like alcoholic vinegar." But it was >> Okay. Well, I see. I don't know if Basque cider is the same as Atorianiano.
>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. I'm sure they all have their own. We we will see.
>> I liked it. It was just a lot more potent than I would have thought.
>> Well, uh it's going to be fun. All right. So, next one. After Va was Dr. >> Oh, sorry. One more thing about VA.
Sorry. One more thing. I thought this was an interesting thing as well was the idea that the the this this very fast dose of of um of radiation uh was was was strangely not affecting the healthy tissues. They're not sure.
Again, another mystery where they they're not sure why >> it's, you know, what's how is that working? How is that not you know, how isn't it, you know, nuking everything in the area? No, it's actually very good at picking out these specific things, which is >> it is fascinating how how many things we don't know yet. Um >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's the other thing I'm obsessed with. It's just we don't know.
>> Yes. and combining different fields that are very very specific and um advanced in research because cancer research and particle physics >> and then yes and there's so much that all the time is coming out because there's a lot of research on both and that like knowledge combination that where they merge that's just that is a very necessary but difficult field um to accomplish. So it's pretty amazing what they're doing. It's also a neat pitch for sort of the a diverse collection of people and interests because you just unless you've got people who are sort of stepping back and going like what if we took a bit of that and a bit of that and tried it with this that's you know there's a real >> I think that's what the science collector worry works is about and you do have uh these kind of think tanks what they're called to to have it is just >> skunk works >> very yes very difficult I think the difficulty is because uh when people are in a field and very high-end in a field it's very hard to step back and get so much in the other field to have a common language. I think this is where AI can really help to find because for AI to know >> uh fields in a in a in depth and try to find the commonalities and kind of as work as a brainstorming agent uh in these think tanks. I think that's is a very interesting possibility for it.
Yeah.
>> Yeah. It's fascinating. It's it's uh Yeah. Another really interesting angle on it is that Yeah. is that sort of is the wide range of pers you know perspectives on these things. Yeah.
Yeah. Um what who's who's next? Jacob.
Jacob's next. Right.
>> Jacob. Yes. I just will uh answer Susan.
She would like to learn uh more about preventing muscle wasting and astronauts. Yes, they do get uh all these exercises but it is true that it's not enough. They're doing a lot of research on that and we uh that is a good point. We might get somebody from medical field uh and who is dealing with >> um astronauts. That would be interesting part to get um there's there's human human space in that >> the Canadian astronaut looked a little worse for wear after his trip I must say. Maybe it's just I don't know whether that's >> everybody is worse for for for where after being in in microgravity for a longer time.
>> Robots. Robots. You should send robots.
>> Tendrils. Tendrils. Remember you you've already changed >> silicone tendrums that that don't have to. Yeah. Yeah.
>> Well, considering how the robots, you know, blow up when they try to open the door.
Uh I think we're not there yet. Did you hear about the AI the AI that apparently escaped? It sounds a little bit >> sounds a little marketing. Um, yes.
>> Hugging face got hacked.
>> Happy. Oh, yeah. Hugging face. Yeah, I've I have heard about that. Yes.
>> Yeah, that I think it'll be in my next my next email of awesome of awesomeness will be that.
>> That is great. I I like that kind of stuff as you know. So yeah, I read it.
>> Robots misbehaving basically. Uh >> yeah, that that can happen. Dr. Jacob Parrot, MacGyver of Mars. So yes, that was a very good chat. I I enjoyed it also because he has this specific British humor.
>> Uh and it was fun and I just um I feel like it was a bit like The Martian story.
>> Yeah. because he just thought outside the box how to combine these different instruments and do something that they were not intended to do which is pretty amazing to think of. I guess you're just you know many people just focus okay this is this that this does that and it's like okay like how do we use this opportunity to to do that? It feels the same as Sara Marquez how she uh with Oliver is not repurposing but adding another purpose to Lisa like gravitational wave detector for near earth object. So so that this planetary defense aspect of it. How cool is that?
Like so it's not just for for that for scientists is actually much more active threat finding and and and that I I like that these younger people come in and take these you know what what was there already and just >> find new ideas and and kind of do a little bit of science jazz.
>> The old guys too are doing the science jazz. I love science jazz. I mean you know uh >> uh Bjornne Bjornne is a perfect example of that.
>> Oh yeah. Well, yeah, Bj Raspberry Pi as his desktop computer >> now. Bj Bjorn is super nerdy and awesome.
>> Oh, he's next. I jumped ahead. I jumped ahead.
>> Yes, you jumped ahead. So, yeah. So, that's Jacob Par. That's what's was fun for me to to kind of think about and uh I I really liked when you asked them.
Uh, so now when you did this stuff on Mars, do they have like do other scientists refer to you like, you know, oh that's Jacob who did that, you know, special thing and he said, no, they're only let me eat at the same lunch table now. So basically there's >> working his way up >> because because filled with geniuses. So there's just that that's like that's impressive, but that's not like, oh my god, he's like a star now. No, he's like, "Now you're accepted to be, you know, >> all right, kid. You can come sit with us if you want for a little bit."
>> Exactly.
>> That was a >> Don't talk. [laughter] >> Very sweet response, I think. And then very funny.
>> He also um a little bit off topic from from our topic with Jacob, but Jacob is was running a local model for his partner to find a job. Uh which was interesting, too. He's using AI as part of his as a sort of a little side thing to try to figure out how to look for jobs that came up for for his partner, which I thought was just fascinating as well. And again, I think spoke to this sort of hacker mentality. Yeah.
>> I mean, that's what it is, isn't it?
It's like hacking, right? Say he's taking something that's designed for one thing and repurposing it for something else. I mean, he looked he looked at those satellites and went like, "Those little antennas there, what do you use them for? Oh, well then if you're not using them, you know, 80% of the time, can we uh like it's just it's just it's a mentality, a way of looking at it.
Someone sees AI and goes like, "Oh, I should get my my partner a job." Um maybe it speaks more to the relationship than the technology, but um but it's it's, you know, I love the idea that he's obviously constantly looking for ways of of, you know, bending things to his evil will. And I think that's kind of fun, too.
>> Absolutely.
>> Yeah. Jacob was really fun. Really, really fun.
>> Yeah. and he just turned the interview and started interviewing you.
>> Yeah, that was interesting too. Yeah, I don't know whether he was he Yeah, that was Yeah, it was like a it was like an arm wrestle.
>> Uh yeah, it was but I think that uh he's just that kind of a person who just is interested and starts asking questions because we had >> he hacked Oh my god, he hacked our interview in the same way he hacked.
Yeah, this it was a little bit the same when we uh when I had the genius snacks uh Eddie is when we were at the table and he does have a um you know that kind of outspoken tendency the way you engage people he engages people as well with questions.
>> Oh I yeah I loved it. My my dad's always done that too. My dad's always I always used to joke about my dad you know whenever he met someone he didn't talk to them he interviewed them like he was doing like their an interview for Time magazine or something or or Rolling Stone or something. He's always funny that way.
>> Um, also, I mean, let's not The other thing that I've got here, of course, is this the mindbending u concept of of of of these signals being bent as they go around a planet's atmosphere. I mean, I I just around the planet and then thus thus being able to to uh to sort of examine the atmosphere.
That was extraordinary, too. I just >> you cannot get over how >> um you know how outside of the box you've got to be to start thinking of these things.
>> You know, you got to you take you take all the physics and all the science that's standard stuff that everyone knows and then you sort of throw it at a problem like this and come up with these amazing things. So, >> absolutely. Um okay, then the next one is Bejorn. Beern was amazing. He was our in our panel last year.
>> He He's just an amazing guy. I wish I'd done this before the panel before we'd seen him live because he's he takes a while to warm up to. Right. And vice versa, I think.
>> Sorry I cut you off, but yeah, because I just No, no, you did not.
>> I loved that chat. I just loved I was so taken with him. It was like talking to someone out of a Lord of the Rings book.
>> Is >> that is such a beautiful comparison, >> isn't it? Like he's like a little Gandalf. like he's just like I he's he's absolutely wonderful and childlike in his in his >> approach to stuff and I I just I love the I love that you know we asked him for a head shot for like for his and and we got this shot which is basically 80% Raspberry Pie in the foreground and then him in the background and and he's just oh god I love him. I just love him. I want to play him in a movie one day. I feel like that's that's a character you know what I mean? Yeah. No, he's great.
And I I I love that he came to to the Comic Con and just just get completely outside his >> box and then definitely comfort zone.
Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> He seemed to thrive in it though. Like he seems >> he did. He did like he really enjoyed it. Was it was so much fun. The dynamic was uh really great. And I love the chat. It was You felt like old friends reuniting. That was very nice. and I feel is one of these people who really is sure that he's a has been a scientist all his career like it's a liflong pursuit and and he's very human about like the quark like the the thing that he made like yeah like the the shape of of the duck I mean >> asteroid that he that no one knew how to you know deal with >> how to model it and the math that he called the duck like It's it just shows the humor side of it because >> but he does it all with a straight face like he does it like you sort of go like are are you you're aware how silly that is. It's like he's like yeah >> yeah that's that's the hard part sometimes with scientists to >> because many of them do say do have this kind of dead pan way of saying something that is funny >> and he definitely has that and um yeah I I and he does quantum computing for fun in his in his uh retirements like which turn I just wanted to learn about quantum computed coding just casually.
>> He said something really interesting about that which was that the quantum computing helped him understand quantum physics and and the [clears throat] quantum concepts >> which I thought was really really kind of a neat insight. So, it's something that I want to go back and do again because I I played with the original sort of hello world uh quantum computing um things that they had online. Um which I I don't think I really understood anyways. I just sort of did them >> by you know wrote but but um but I could see I I suddenly went oh actually that does make sense because I mean even programming helps you understand how computers work. I mean so why wouldn't why wouldn't quantum computing help you understand how you know how the how the the quantum world works? I mean that's right not the right >> yeah I mean quantum computing world quantum mechanics uh I don't know how how much of actually coding on on quantum does that help to understand the actual quantum >> well that's what that's what I found that's why I'm interested in looking into it because he was saying it helped him with the quantum mechanics side of it so that understanding um entanglement and you know spooky action from a from afar >> okay I I I wonder yeah because that's uh yeah That is that is a very spec specific way to approach it. And I wonder how much because you know quantum computing is like cubits and wave collapse and you know like having all the like all the possible possibilities at the same time and the you know the possibility of the answer >> that's how people been feeling since the 30s.
>> I know >> Einstein felt the same way. I mean, it was, you know, it's it's an itch, though. It's like a it's like a I feel like there's just something we're not quite >> That's why I love quantum physics because I don't think that there is anything else in history >> in sciences that has irked scientists more >> uh because when you read the book like quantum about that great debate between Einstein and Bo >> Yeah. It's an amazing book and it shows how many scientists who actually research it or who actually uh Yeah. you know from Planck like he was a very 19th century kind of type of a guy uh researching it and actually giving um a gateway towards quantum physics and plank constant and all these things right the plank size it's we have so much plank in it he hated it he didn't want it he didn't want it to be real and how many scientist >> plank didn't want it either >> no nobody wanted it like so many people didn't want it especially the older older generation were really reluctant to accept it. Uh and then you had this younger generation that is more bore and all the others who who kind of embraced it and started playing around with it.
And uh so there were these great debates and uh there were people aligned with Bore or with Einstein and when they did this these meetings where we now see all the photos of the scientists there are so many relationships that have broke up because one guy was supporting Boris Einstein and that was like it's a it's a debate that became very personal to a lot of people. So if I ever >> I mean yeah >> I would love to make a TV show like this kind of TV show. I mean I it's will never get funded but you show off exactly that um era of of physics because it's such an emotionally intense time >> a stage play would be way the way to go with that like I think that would be a really interesting stage play like >> okay I don't write plays and I don't go to theater so for me that does not connect emotionally but uh but like a show where uh you know you could explain actually quantum physics from this emergence of and uh and also play with this friends and relationships breaking apart. And while both, you know, Einstein and Neil Boore at the essence there were these really curious, passionate people and they were the same >> and they they kind of like died in the same questions and they were more alike than they were more different. Uh but but then it caused this whole upheaval in a way their their argument where they were heading this argument. I just love the idea emotionally but also as a vehicle to explain quantum physics.
>> No, I love that. I got that. God, that'd be amazing. Count me in. Um yeah, I think that's again it's as you say, it's got to be be a tough one to sell, wouldn't it? But I feel like >> maybe that's a little indie film that needs to be made. I I think what's neat about this stuff and what's one of the our book our next book club we're talking about doing um uh oh next book club is is Hitchhiker's Guide, isn't it?
>> Yes, the next book club the the general read is Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.
>> But we will have a special edition at the same time of a non-fiction book. Uh that's um >> Life at the Edge. I think that's the name of the book, Life on the Edge. and it is quantum physics meets biology and that was recommended by James Gurnie >> and we will have uh an open discord event for everyone uh everyone can join somewhere in October or November and we'll have David and James and uh Lisa Verer our quantum queen discussing this book because James comes from biology she comes from quantum physics and David is the host.
>> And was it James who recommended the book? I'm surprised because I thought that >> James recommended you the book as I remember. And as some time ago, that's what he said. And uh yes, we're making it official. I'm just surprised because it's very it's kind of >> it feels a little loosey goosey with stuff like literally goosey in some cases because there's a goose and how they can you figure out how to travel around the world. Um uh how they can migrate and stuff. It's Yeah. Yeah. I'm surpris Yeah, I'm looking forward to that. That's sorry that so the reason the point of the me bringing that up in the first place, nice segue by the way.
Beautiful. That was producing to the um was was it's just it's talking about maybe it wasn't even that one. Maybe it was the one on the Anyways, one of these books um uh talking about how there's a personal element to the science. There's an art to the science. there is a there is a politics to the science that we that that you know layman like myself >> sort of I don't I was not aware of it like I thought science was science that's it science and that's right and it's or it's wrong simple as that but no it's like no screw you I don't want to do that experiment again because I think you're wrong and like there's a there's a weird stuff it was about oh I know what it was about it was about the um um prons prons in the brain >> um and they couldn't believe that there would be a self-replic licating protein.
They just couldn't they couldn't believe that that was the and so people would flatly refuse to accept the evidence as it showed up. Um yeah, the idea that people there we're still humans even for scientists.
>> Yeah, I I I really love then reading about these theories that people had hard time accepting especially counterintuitive theories. I think that 20th century had that with quantum relativity and chaos theory. Uh >> oh god. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Because these are just such especially quantum goes very very deep into being anti-intuitive. Like we just just can't.
>> I think it goes out of its way to be difficult.
>> It really does. It does feel like like it's it's exactly made in a way to befuddle scientists because >> and it's not observational. It's not well not at first it wasn't observational right they had to figure out how to how to look at this stuff and I think it came from there was a world of classical physics where they it's like well look I I I drop it it falls apple you know Newton all that kind of stuff and then all of a sudden there's like well we're doing the math and this is what's happening you're like nah it's impossible math's got to be wrong you know what I mean so >> yeah it comes from uh plank the the black body radiation and all that kind of research and then the maths that came out and yes and later they started uh like confirming it with experiments.
>> Was the ultraviolet was the ultraviolet catastrophe or something? They had a wonderful name.
>> There was something about it. Yes. Uh >> they couldn't figure out why it wasn't why it didn't keep bumping up and instead it was coming out in these quantum. Yeah, it's amazing. Um yeah, Jenn of Canadia. Um uh should really be Caneria, but um uh prons are terrifying. Yes, they are. Pon super dangerous and infectious. Yeah, it's um basically mad cow disease is the kind of that's the kind of thing you're talking about. But there's this book, >> fabulous book uh >> I'm going to have to look it up, but uh there's this amazing book on the subject which which I read which I just >> blew me away and partially >> well we can put it as a as our non-fiction read at some point as well and discuss it >> done.
>> We have a book club we can >> I know we got we got everything going now. I can't that was so much fun that book club. Yeah, >> that was like it >> discussing project hailmary. We had a we had a book uh nerdy book cafe as as you called it or genius or lazy genius book club because lazy because it's probably the books that we have already read that every month.
>> Yes.
>> Uh so yes, that's why it's lazy, but it's all branded the same genius.
>> Um >> well, and it's genius and thanks for coming up with that. I think that was a great that was a great I didn't really see the connection at First, I was like, "We're doing a book club as well. Like, what the hell?" But you're like, "No, it's the Genius Cafe and we're going to do as part of the Genius Cafe. We're going to do this book club." I think it was >> just meeting and nerding out with people on different topics. That's that's all that is.
>> And having a little bit of an anchor around it.
>> Yeah. Exactly. So, the first one was an inaugurational. We just had people's feedback about what they want from these cafe. Second one, we had Lisa. So we had a scientist who was like visiting us and talking about quantum physics and >> like getting people's questions which is really fun because you know um Alice was asking about like okay how I am a artist how does quantum physics relate to me so it's kind of personal questions was really nice to hear that and uh yeah and then the last one was the book club and we >> the book club is more sorry I'll cut you off again >> no it just was lovely to hear people's different perspectives on it and then just it was just fun. We had like two and a half hours of it in the >> Oh, it was amazing. Yeah, it was great.
And we started talking about doing, you know, Stargate, Dungeons and Dragons stuff now, but that's the stuff I feel like that's >> I [snorts] the science stuff. I loved the science stuff with Lisa. I wished it was for everybody. Like I wish that one I wish like I love that we're doing like our new book on you know on the the the life on the edge about this the quant the link between possibility between quantum mechanics and life.
>> I love that that's going to be open to everybody. I feel like the science stuff open to everyone is great. And then there's a certain entertainment value to the book club and to the you know Stargate D&D and stuff that I feel I feel is okay to be part of the genius cafe.
>> Absolutely. Anyways, >> yeah, we're figuring out as we go with this Canardia uh endeavor that we have our >> I like Canardia.
>> I love nerds a new little logo for us, which so we'll have a look at that.
>> That's great. All right, so the next one was actually one I'm I'm really happy that we finally did because I had that idea for a long time. bringing Jon Choa, one of our first guests, and James Gurnie together because they're both >> researching viruses in different aspects >> and uh yeah, I just from that talk which was recorded offline because it's the first time we had two guests.
>> Uh and then you posted I posted that. I posted that. Okay.
>> Yes, you have posted. Yes. Yeah. Yeah.
No worries. That's why that's why it's in the list. Yeah. Yeah. uh because you have posted that and uh for me uh I think that what is really impressive what John was talking about like that we are really taming viruses and that is going to be next medium of like of medicine. So instead of taking antibiotics, I just like sledgehammer that you mentioned is gonna be a very specific viral agent that actually heals you from inside specifically. And I just want to say hi Christian unpronouncable.
Hello because he said hello. Uh so so yeah so that that was very um impressive because everybody is talking about superbugs and how antibiotics are not working but at the same time science is working from a different angle and how we repurpose viruses is just like such an insane for me concept. They're like little robots then that just Yeah.
>> You know, it's like nanotech robots at the imagined, but it's actually weird.
Take them from >> Well, this is real life.
>> This is the nature thing, which is where I feel like we just keep rediscovering that nature is, hey, we should build this and this and this that, oh, look at that. They've done it over there in a duck. You know what I mean? Like it's like that. You know what I mean? This that's sort of these amazing things that nature is capable of doing.
>> I'm sorry aspects. Yes. Nature doesn't have computers or DND.
>> No, but [laughter] we're talking about biological computers. Yes, absolutely.
You know, I feel like we keep going back and and plucking things from, you know, uh the aggroforestry thing that I talked about in the in the email of Austin today again, the idea that, you know, the world used to be was trees and plants living together, animals roaming around around there. We cut down all the trees and put these massive fields of wheat and then go like now what do we do? It's getting too hot and was not, you know, so it's just the idea that we like here's a crazy idea. What if [laughter] we'll call it agroforestry?
like that's it's how things were except it was you know we're changing the the random stuff to things we could eat.
>> True though like I would say if you zoom out and think about the um biological existence of earth over billions of years you have a time where there were no trees or there were giant fungi or it was 98% iced off like we we the bios >> there were sharks and no and no rocks around Saturn.
>> Yeah. Or or like I love this this this uh Saturn. Yes. No ring Saturn. That was from Eric's talk. Uh I I really love the when I was uh reading this encyclopedia of palentology uh back in the day and this era where there are pretty much no predators. And I was just imagining these shallow seas and just stuff existing just chilling out. Nobody's eating anybody. And I don't know if it's like if I'm remembering it correctly because I I read it I was 15. Uh and uh it it just made me think about like oh yeah shallies and then and such a nice existence before predators are there. Um and that's what I'm just saying that >> of course we are living in an environment that is affected by humanity. Uh and that is the difference.
But in terms of biosphere, trees have not always been here.
>> Yeah.
>> Nor has grass.
>> It has everything has changed over billions of years. Um therefore, it's not always been the same way and it always is evolving and probably the fungi will just reconquer Earth. That's what I believe in actually >> that at some point it's just going to be mushrooms again and viruses. I there's a wonderful I think I've talked about this before. There's a there's a sort of a casket you can buy now that when you die it's all made out of spores >> and so when you die you are sort of instantly you know food for these for these fungus. So you become like just this glorious mycelium uh you know there's something sort of something sort of um something sort of avatar I've watched too much of uh you know the um Last of Us to for me to get comfortable >> with that concept right now yeah I think yeah I don't know what the best Yeah that's a whole other thing >> okay your favorite part from uh viral chat >> oh god uh I look I just love the interaction I love interaction between two people who obviously love viruses like and I think that was the appeal to me was like there's two people who just have the oddest love um do they write little Valentine card to viruses every year because they love them um you know they just James when I was introduced to James originally he was on YouTube doing outreach because in England the process is that if you you know they're they're paying for your university or they used to um pay for your university and as a result you have to do outreach and that was normally done in the in the way you'd go to a school and talk to 10 kids about something and he was like, well, why talk to 10 kids when you could talk to a thousand or a million or the global population of kids and he would do these these little videos about how much about just how fascinated he was with with viruses. And then when I you know when we had John on and he was talking about his original um cucumber viruses.
>> Yes.
>> Um again I just picked up the same kind of love for this stuff. So seeing these two very smart science brains who've gone in very different directions but still shared this the same sort of passion for the >> for the for the the viruses at our world. I I I think that was the biggest thing I got out of that. I mean I I >> yeah there's so much I feel like that that should be a series unto itself.
There's so much stuff to explore there.
um >> yeah, >> you know, with the with the bacterial phages um and and and how we can be using them to to to to fix some of the problems we've created with our own with antibiotics and stuff. So, yeah. No, amazing amazing.
>> It was it was great. I'm I'm really glad that again we could bring them together.
I hope for more collabs um like that in the future. And I think that James and uh Lisa is going to be very interesting.
It's going to be in a book club format talking about the the kind of conversion of biology and and and physics and streaming to >> to Discord. But I I think that we can try in the future to have more of these um bringing different scientists together. Now we have such roster of them like a whole rolodex. The other thing that struck me about that one was the variety of things that both John and James were interested in and doing.
>> They do all I mean James is doing all sorts of different things from turning pens, you know, wood turning to to the experiments he's doing in the in the lab, the experiments he's doing in life.
I mean, I just feel like he's constantly trying different things and doing >> different things. He lived in France for a while. He live, you know, I mean, it just is all and I and and of course John is, you know, throwing planes around doing >> aerobatics. He's uh diving underwater like he has like the underwater but but the shipwreck diving uh license and he did that. He's Yeah. professional diver and a professional pilot >> and uh basically it's pretty much impossible to catch him. Yeah, >> because he's somewhere diving or flying all the time.
>> I I feel like James will be there eventually. Like James will eventually be probably hurling himself out of planes and stuff as well. I I like I I just feel like he's the same kind. They they share a similar spirit, which is interesting. I mean, yeah. Yeah. It's uh it's God, it's just fascinating. Yeah.
It's I love having the excuse of science >> um and technology to bring these people together. But uh and speaking of the science, you know, one of the things that really stood out for me in that chat as well was how we have not just we've not just >> managed to sort of stop HIV AIDS in its tracks.
We're now using it as a vector to solve considerably more complex problems because of all the things we've learned because of the money and research and time that we put into trying to solve this >> horrendous um >> and this this is a vector to our next guest because that's a direct vector into Frank because >> look at you and segue queen today you are. Yeah. [laughter] Uh yes, Frank Stall, Dr. Frank Stall is works here in Leiden in uh Leiden University Medical University research lab and uh >> where I will be soon.
>> Yes. Yes. And uh our future guest Bus who's my uh neighbor actually let you play the stuff in saying he's saying I got to go I got to get the pipets out. I've got them somewhere. the pipets. I do some more practicing of my pipets.
>> Yes. Because you'll you'll actually do it's pretty incredible that you went all full circle from acting as if you're working with pipets to actually going to real medical research centers now >> and possibly screwing up some future cells of some sort.
>> They're gonna we're gonna put like you know kitty kind of I think uh kit for you so you know you don't screw it up.
So don't worry. actor version, the actor [laughter] proof version, you know.
>> Yes.
>> Taste funny, you know, like Yeah.
[laughter] >> Uh, so yeah. So, you're going to be there. It's going to be, I think, incredible. But I think Frank Stall, I mean, >> what a guy. What a guy. What a legacy that he is doing. And I am this this talking to him before that when we had initial chat and now in this what strikes me completely absolutely and makes me furious is the fact that we have we we're not doing research. He has solved it. He has solved this problem.
It's it's cured. He doesn't need more re like research money that it's not a path. It's already a cure, but we don't have enough money because it's too expensive and it's it's just one time and it's cured. That's why pharmaceuticals are not investing in it and it's too expensive for for government to do, too expensive for the people who have the reality.
>> Uh I mean it it's I understand but it is absolutely infuriating.
>> Yeah, I don't understand it. Yes. Yeah, >> we have this. We have solutions. And he's talking about how many other uh diseases like this, genetic ones >> that they just pretty much have sold.
They just don't have the funding to enact them. It's insane for me. And it's and I think it's even more than funding because I think what's so terrifying to me and kind of that shakes the foundations of everything for me and what I came out of this chat with was the how wrong we've got things.
>> Yes.
>> Why is money a priority? Like why is that why is that why is that seen as a what is the bet that that oh we're doing our our gross national product is up. Why aren't we talking about how many kids we've saved?
Why aren't we talking about how many diseases we've cured as a as a as a gross natural product? And I mean, instead of spending, imagine if the whole concept of instead of like spending vast amounts of money on bombing people we don't like, what if we took that money and cured all of their kids of of incurable diseases and then we could win the war by being the country that saved that that helped them the most. I mean, that kind of stuff.
Like it's just our whole system is so it reminds me of this story reminds me of a story of a of a young woman going to visit her brother in New York City and she's and it may be a fake a fake story I don't know but um but the idea was that she grew up in this little tiny farm in the middle of freaking nowhere in a little town and she shows up on the bus and she arrives at you know Port Authority and in in New York City and there's a man lying on the street and so she immediately runs up to find out if he's okay and and and and her brother is out there looking for her, trying to find where Oh my god, what happened? She got off the bus. No, where's she gone?
Well, she's taking him off to have to to get uh you know to to get to get lunch and to sort him out with some clothes and and he's like, "What? What are you what are you doing?" And she's like, "Well, he was in trouble." And he's like, "What? What are you nuts? You don't go running around helping everybody." And she's like, "Well, why why not?" Like, and it it that perception twist where you suddenly go like, "Yes, what the hell are we doing?
we're stepping over people and stuff, you know.
>> I I I understand what you're saying. I think that um >> well, it is how to say >> there's a practicality to it. I understand. Yes. No, it's just that this the structures that we devised as economic structures through our lives starting from you know tribes and then all these kind people had a very very different economic structure which is going forwards the food sources and very limited um amount of possessions and everything. the science that we created and everything that we have created was based in a different economic forms that then uh have certain consequences. So I will not go into the whole you know how economies have changed from slave-based economy in ancient Rome to you know uh later on surf uh economies and and this that but economic reality is an economic reality and capitalism has allowed us to create more wealth in the world than he have ever had and that is true that it has uh lifted off um more people out of poverty than it has ever had. uh if you just look at how how people how many little positions they had if you look just at the photos of people 100 years ago and and that so so so there are these realities however at the same time I do believe that there is a point to it where as we are creating this immense wealth enormous amounts of it how it's being redistributed I it's >> it's at >> trillionaires >> like uh yes where we're where you know when it becomes when >> people like these companies cannot pay livable wage to people and the CEOs are getting all these bonuses and everything that's where the system breaks and that there's something is wrong within and I understand it's not as simple the incentives everything there there are structures around it uh there's there's just a lot of complexity around I don't think it's Oh, you know, be a good Samaritan to everyone is a solution. It is a nice thought, but you're like you don't go out into the street and help people and and even if you could there are just limits of what we understand, what we can do as an individual. So I think it is much more complex as a system. But I think that there is something fundamentally wrong when you think about that. we have not research level things like when I understand when people say like okay we're researching to to find this disease it's very difficult because that can last decades uh but we have a solution and because it's not profitable it's not going that's where I feel like okay then that that does not make sense >> I think it might be profitable anyways like I just don't think they're interested in it's it's a again it's a it's a it's a different I mean it depends what you mean by profitable right I mean like if there's going to people alive and contributing to society in a way that they wouldn't have otherwise. I mean these are kids in most cases, right? These are childhood immune uh immune issues. Um so you know just think about what what kind of income they bring with them in just in tax alone as opposed to like just trying to keep them comfortable. Now there's money being spent on that too which is a completely waste of money to some extent if if they're not going to you know in the eye of the government they're not going to be any you know a contributing part of society. Yeah. I I just it really makes you know it does make you wonder and question you know our you what our priorities are and and and what we should be what we should be doing with them. The idea that we've got a trillionaire who could cure all of these things but instead is just amassing more and more money just seems there's something fun there's something fundamentally wrong with the way things are. I think and I think we're I I think there's a very good chance that'll change in our lifetime because I think that I think more and more people are beginning to start seeing the cracks in that in that kind of just sort of adhering to the to the to the normal logic of just you know >> yeah I think it's just historical pretty much reality if you read about Babylon it had the same thing basically from from the early civilization when there's >> um inequality and wealth that happens there's always a tension between those people have and have not. It's the same in Egypt. You look at ancient civilizations. What the biggest things that people like a new king comes in and tries to say something. It's about these kind of laws of of of how do we how do we diminish an inequality in some ways and reforms are about that. It is a it is a historical constant. It's not what it's not new.
>> It's just the amount of wealth is new.
uh um and the amount of like different different things that we can we're doing as a society is new but uh but the the core debate and issue is not new. So >> but in the guilded age there was only so much that those rich people could do right that just because of technology whereas the amount they could do now is extraordinary like think about it like I just >> at the same time it's extraordinary what they can do for themselves. we can buy like before that you couldn't buy art, you couldn't buy all these things. So, so it's like it's growth goes in both sides. So, >> there's just the what is being wealthy back in Babylon or back 200 years ago is very different from the opportunities of being wealthy right now. So, so there's there's all these things and uh it's just I'm not saying what is right, what's wrong like I feel like there is something fundamentally wrong when we have this kind of situation but I would not go very quickly to prescribe of how do we change it because yes it's it's complex system the fact that solution came out from the fact that we have more wealth and generating it and that there wouldn't have been solution without the system that we have it's didn't didn't come out from nowhere. Nobody was researching 200 years ago with this amount of money and this kind of technology uh these diseases. Nobody had that like Yeah. So so so you have to think about this other part as well. I just try to think all these in systems and not prescribe any simplistic solutions or um ideas how it like oh it's so easy we could just solve it. If it was, I think people would um but yes, Frank Stall's talk was was where I was really thinking of >> uh yeah like this this needs this particular part should be changed maybe you know if you know somebody uh really uh rich and actor thinks maybe we can do a fundraiser with them and uh and you know some some some of these >> people who get you know wealth is not only the trillionaires wealth is also you know in in acting circles and and and like there's there's just like a lot of people in entertainment are also um having incredible wealth in entertainment. I mean in sports I don't want to pick on the trillionaires. I just [laughter] >> there's only one and he was there for a bit until the until it all crashed. So >> yeah, that's down like 34% or something or 43 some crazy number >> something like that. I mean it was to be expected because it was a hyped up IPO anyway. mean, it's it's not so much a meme. It's just the fact that because it has such a specific following and sometimes divisive following, you have a very it's it's not it's not a normal company because it is attached to a persona that is very divisive to people.
>> Uh and that just uh yeah, it was to be expected that that people would speculate especially with this IPO.
Well, and I also I I mean I don't want to belittle I mean this I can't remember who somebody was just mentioning uh telephone Jack was talking about it but um you know I he you know it's true that Starlink is absolutely fantastic. It's been absolutely amazing. It's been it's been um instrumental around the world for for for people. Um uh but and and again the the EV evolution the EV revolution basically in North America was started by him. I I'm not belittling what he's done. I just I just feel like at a certain point, how many how much money do you need? And I was saying that before long before we got to trillions.
>> Um but you know, again, yeah, I'm policy will be very interesting to to see as well. Um and uh SRS Atlantis says, "I wonder if we could have a Canadian voluntary fund to help Frank Stall's research."
>> Well, it doesn't need more funds for research per se. It's um it's what we're talking about is making research into actually actionable thing. And u we could come up with some ideas for how to get the word out that hopefully the right people would hear >> like I'm saying like if we get to certain people we can do a fundraiser >> for certain things uh who that people are interested because some actors do that like JR Bourne I think he's done that with um fibriosis something like that I just >> fibrosis is um uh yeah I mean look I look I think that's I think that That's I think that's one of the appeals of of of fame I think as well is that is that people can can use that to to point in the right direction. I mean Jason was doing it with you know water water stuff.
>> Yeah. Exactly. So so it is a possibility for us in the future. We just need to get more >> um people who can leverage more uh of their fandom and reach out to bigger audiences.
>> Yeah. And the more everyone talks about this stuff and the more everyone is aware that these these cures exist, um I think the more likelihood there is that someone is going to be interested in, you know, when maybe when they're maybe when they're they're they're done and dusted, they they leave their inheritance to to you know, Frank's work or maybe not specifically Frank, but but to to these the tools that allow his >> um but he said that uh the people who are doing research in was it Rotterdam?
I think Roger he said um for cystic fibrosis and how far they are. Uh and I I am very willing to try and find ways and venues to connect people who are interested in certain >> areas to and they have the audience to enable to do some sort of a fundraiser uh >> activity. do a couple of maybe we could do a couple of episodes that focus on that like a couple focuses that just that just talk about different things that could be >> let's meet with Frank and we can see >> oh not just for Frank I mean just in general looking out to see what other Yeah.
I am all for it. We need to grow Canardia and Canardia is going to be a force for good in the world and uh yes we but we need to get more people in and uh then get people through actually brilliant who are brilliant but also you know can reach even more people because these are the nodes that that reach out to the wider audiences.
>> That's nice. SRS Atlantis talks cures exist, money doesn't. [laughter] I love it. I love that. I don't love that. But um I love that that that it's >> it's so nicely put. Yes, >> exactly. Yes. It's too bad we have to come up with it. All right. Who's next?
Who's next?
>> Neil Melville. Amazing Neil. Yes.
>> Oh my god.
>> He is so great. I just love it because how how we got >> a rock star >> to Yes, he is. And I I watched on LinkedIn because I I saw his video and they were talking about the new research of lunar gravity experiments. So that's how I thought. Oh, we should get the guy who actually manages the the vomit comet, the parabolic flies for Isa. And he's >> I noticed he didn't call it that.
>> No, I guess it's not.
>> It's not good for publicity so much.
[laughter] >> Probably not. But, you know, people know it as that. And he's great. It's it's it's very interesting that it's not the only thing he does. He's also a systems engineer and he's worked on so many things. And it's like a Chinese probe like on moon. Like it's >> that is incredible. And >> that was eye opening as well because I'm thinking just the parabolic flight stuff was was exciting enough but no he's got this whole other side of stuff going on that just is just as in sometimes more interesting than the actual um the plane stuff. I mean it's it's uh yeah that was extra I really enjoyed that. Yeah. Um, >> yeah, even even his acting tips. I liked his I like because he's so good on camera, but he's like, "Yeah, don't give me lines. Just give me points."
>> Yeah, he's he's very good. He's very good at presenting and uh all of it. I I saw him first time in uh at ESA actually at the uh ESA open day a year before you came and Steven Strait was there.
>> Oh, right.
>> Yes. because he did parabolic flights of Steven and Steven straight just uh he's from the expanse he was the the main guy the the um >> yeah now my brain is completely mushed so I don't remember his character so if anybody can write Steven's character name please do uh so yes I remember when they were talking on stage together and I think I mentioned this before but uh he was impressed how Even when they went in parabolic flight and were in microgravity time, how fast he oriented himself that this moves subconsciously.
And it is because he was trained to act as he was in microgravity for the expanse. James Holden. Thank you, Kiri Schwarzman. Uh yes, James Holden. So he was uh that and uh and then uh Neil said, "Well, maybe we should get our astronauts trained in that because it was a like a dance >> a lot cheaper."
>> Uh and because astronaut time really costs a lot. But then he now put this question does their time training up to the level where they can do that and have faster reaction in uh in microgravity on the ISS does that like their time is very very expensive. So if they need months of dance training just to to get it like and they can get it in half a day on the ISS is it worthwhile?
You know that kind of thing. But I thought that was the probably the first side of like oh transferable skills from actors to [laughter] astronauts that I >> first I'd seen. Yeah. Yeah. I've been looking for that. I've been looking for that in I have to sort of like >> So yes, but you expressed uh uh very much of just not wanting to be on a vomit comment. I I do so much like I would love love love to do that and potentially I guess you could drug me up and and and and throw me out there. I'm sure.
>> Well, you do need drugs to get there. Uh he does he does have it like we do have it. Yes.
>> But the uh you know perfect example of this was, you know, I watched we talked about this. I watched the the back rooms, but one of the biggest issues I have with the back rooms was all the shaky cam the the video camera stuff. I >> was so sick like just watching a freaking movie. So I can't imagine what it'd be like although it's a different kind of thing I suppose. Um you know >> it is different kind but it is uh 32 parabolas it's three hours.
>> Yeah that's a lot.
>> That got me like um I mean I would like to do it but 32 parabol get used to it by then wouldn't you? And plus you'd have thrown up everything there was to throw up. I wouldn't >> but it's it's three hours of this. I don't know like uh is it you know like how after first few times do you I guess you still enjoy it because it's so crazy but it feels intense for >> it's an experience. Yeah I mean it's uh uh yes anitis. We should we'll have to talk about the back rooms at some point but yeah the backroom shorts I I think you and I both agreed we that was we preferred the backroom shorts didn't we?
>> No you said you preferred I said that I actually enjoyed the movie >> but as much as the shorts.
>> Uh yeah it's just different medium. It's a different medium. I totally how to say I accepted um their creative approach. I liked that it was not that because for me back rooms is very important. I love a concept. I've been in love for since 2019.
>> Yeah. So I thought you would have been on it. Yeah.
>> Uh and I am just glad that it was not butchered as a thing. It has to be unknowable. It had the '9s kind of ethos in all of it. the VHS is the the weirdness and um as I've written as well a few uh screenplays with the backrooms in my screen plays as well. There were parts where >> they were actually back rooms related ones.
>> Yes.
>> Oh wow.
>> I I wrote a a pilot and a short >> uh that are back rooms um completely like in that concept >> like fanfiction but no not >> it's no fan fiction. It's like it's a it's an internet concept. There's no fan like fandom to go like it's not like a Stargate is an IP that you have fandom of >> the backrooms is just a concept that anybody can write on.
>> Yes, it was a photo on 4chan with the evocative text that is 4chan.
>> Beautiful. Yes, it was 4chan. It's a it's like a beautiful beautiful text that was written with it. It's so evocative. And then I uh it's like uh be careful because uh at some point you might not clip in into this and like the about the mustard yellow walls about the constant hum of the the lights about like uh and be careful if you hear something because somebody has already something has heard you.
>> It's so creepy. It's so good. I was that >> I was so so um taken by it and I absolutely loved I I read some of the back rooms Vicki that is about creating levels but I just love the the base concept of that. It's just something that hit me. I I just just absolutely love the the endless rooms and the idea that it's not per Yes, it is. And I told the Vincenzo that like remember when we were talking about that it is a liinal horror like cube was a liinal horror because these were every cube was kind of a trans transa transitional space. It wasn't a living space. It was a transitional in a way space. They look like little corridors, right? And it's just like a space made of corridors that might kill you. And the space is the horror. That's liinal horror. uh and uh and and and yeah, so for me what I want wanted to say in this long- winded sentences uh is that when I wrote about back rooms, the back rooms reacted psychologically to people as well. Uh it wasn't a separate place. It was also psychological space >> which is similar to what they did with the movies.
>> It was just similar what he did.
Therefore, I appreciate that. I I just I haven't gone to cinema in a long while.
This year I went to to see Hail Mary and I went to see Back rooms and everything.
I went to see Obsession because I think finally there were good movies coming out and Obsession traumatized me forever.
>> Obsession. Oh my god. I Yeah, we're going to have to do like a movie club as well. God damn, there's so many things to do.
>> We We can do a cafe about movies as well and not a movie club per se. Well, we can do that. We can do anything that we want and nerd out on.
>> We are gods here.
We are. We are.
>> You're fading. We should wrap this up. I can see you're getting tired.
>> I was tired when we started. Yeah. Uh because again, two hours of trying to speak.
>> No, you're doing amazing and and you're thoroughly engaging. I'm just worried.
I'm I'm worrying for you in a brotherly like way that you're that you're that you're getting tired.
>> Thank you. No, I'm I'm fine. I'm fine. I am very excited about this.
>> We're pretty close anyways. We've got like we've only got >> We are. But I want to also talk about the people that we will have in the future.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> So now Neil, do you have any comment about Neil Melville's u other notes or anything?
>> Um what have I got here? Uh well, I just love the idea of fall of planes falling out of the sky in Bordeaux um as a as a as a as his office.
>> You know what I mean? Like he his office he's working out of a falling plane over Bordeaux >> um with the whole zerog aircraft thing.
Um, oh god. Yeah, I love his whole story about the payloads going to the far side of the moon with the selfie rover and stuff. Just his involvement in that stuff as well was just >> it's insane. It's completely insane.
>> I I mean I went I I came in for the zero G's and I left with with and I came out loving everything else he's worked on. I I just >> the funny thing I saw him today like I was going to the to the Tal cafe but you know we were on a bike so I just passed and he was like waiting for a green light and we never we didn't didn't even see each other like he didn't see me I don't know if you saw me before when I was going across but yeah I saw him on a bike today we all live here so when you >> there's got to be a field somewhere that I could be I could live in with a pig isn't there like there's got to be somewhere out there >> I mean there's a lot of >> uh it is quite cold though not in tulip season So I would say that you need >> you do minus 40 here. What do you have?
Cold. You don't know what cold is.
>> I'm from Lithuania. I know.
>> Uhhuh.
>> Do you get minus 40 in Lithuania?
>> Uh no I don't think minus 40. It was uh minus30s where the biggest.
>> We're mostly minus30s but it does we get the odd day that's just Anyways, yes. Uh that's so I God I love it. I love all these people in one little area. Um what also of course I love the fact that he'd be a terrible actor but a great improviser. I thought that was a great Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. He was God, he was >> he was just really fun. And again, someone who's just having so much fun >> just following what this does. Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> And just following the opportunities as they came up, you know, without necessarily knowing how it was going to work out for him financially or or or career-wise. He just just going with the stuff he loved. And it's just it's so obvious.
>> Incredible. Yes. And uh yeah, I think it's going to be for the Genius Beers and stuff. cuz he's so involved in open day. So, we'll see him mail.
>> Yeah, I can't wait. Yeah, I cannot wait.
Genius Beers is going to be genius this year.
>> Oh, yeah. It's going to be I think because now we have so many more people after two years >> if I can get in the door.
>> Okay.
>> After all the cheesecake.
>> Yeah, the door is normal size.
>> Oh, that's So, I got to be careful then.
>> Yeah, careful. I I will write to Jane maybe and just just a bit less cheesecake maybe after that.
after. Keep the cheesecape [laughter] for after and you'll have to and given the amount of geniuses there, you're going to have to pour me into a car afterwards, too, cuz there's going to have if I have genius beers with all those geniuses, I'm going to be I won't be a genius anymore. I be a puddle.
>> David, you don't have to have a beer with every genius. You know, you can have the same beer to all the genius.
>> And you guys have really good uh I call them decaf beers, but what are they?
Dealized or non-alcohol beers.
>> Yeah. Non-alcoholic. Yeah, there's pretty good here. Very, very good actually.
um as good as normal beers.
>> I can alternate.
>> Have you had the Have you had the Guinness Zero?
>> No, I'm not big fan of Guinness itself.
Like I mean I can drink it. It's not my favorite because I I prefer like Laggers and then Belgium beer. Uh more like these more flat ones that are of you know the ones in UK and and then Ireland are my less favorite. I don't mind them but it's not my favorite. I love me a Guinness. And uh and the the zero Guinness is extraordinary. I mean, like, it's not I mean, it's not a it's not Guinness. I mean, it is Guinness, but it's not.
>> No, they they've they've really improved the non-alcoholic beers. As somebody who's from a beer country, I do appreciate that.
>> Is Canada a beer country?
>> I don't know. You should know. You're Canadian. I'm a Lithuanian.
>> It was always like, you know, it was sort of swill. It was always we were always known for this sort of cheap alcoholic more slightly more alcoholic beer than the than the Americans. But uh we've now become a culture of um of uh you know home brews and that micro micro that's it which I love.
>> Quite uh >> yeah that whole fermentation thing.
>> Oh thank you. Wholesome vampire.
>> There you go. Wholesome vampire and you I guess you guys will be sharing loggers at the old genius cafe then.
>> Yes. I don't know wholesome vampires. I don't I don't know if if she's from here or not. Like I think she was in the UK in the in the Comic-Con. I think that's what she said before. So I'm not sure if she's around in Leiden.
>> Yes, Canadian beer is better than American beer for sure. Actually, I would say just about everything is. Um but uh but yeah, we weren't Yeah, we've sort of come into that more recently than the the the micro brewery stuff. Um All right.
>> Okay. Now, so yes, Nail Melville, amazing talk. I loved it. It was so great. And next one we [snorts] had >> solar wind hitting unprotected surfaces.
What's that about? I've got a note here about solar wind hitting unprotected surfaces.
>> Uh >> that must have something to do with the rover or something, but that obviously caught my caught my attention as well. I got to get better at notes.
>> Yeah.
>> Yes. A little bit more context than solar when hitting surfaces would be.
>> Yeah. Maybe a little more clarity on that one, I think. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Uh what?
>> Okay. And then and the last one.
>> Yes. Uh that >> before I go off into bourbon, before I start talking about bourbon. Uh yes, >> Bart. We had coming back Ruit. Yes.
>> Bart's return.
>> Yes. The return of the Bart.
>> Ah. He's fantastic. Um freshly minted as I have here. Associate professor now. So he's got himself.
>> Congratulations.
>> Yes. Yeah. He's got himself a more sort of I guess firmed up situation now. He's not no risk. He's going to get Well, I don't know. He has don't doesn't have to get coffee for people anymore. Um, but what a great guy. Like, just Sorry, I'll let you do your rep and then I'll I'll come in after.
>> No, no, it's it's not that I have to do anything first. No, I'm really glad he came back. He's uh he's somebody who we got in contact through Lisa because she's working with him on McKe the probe that's supposed to be the gravity >> which yes is named after the Star Trek >> because Lisa is a Treky.
>> Um and uh no it was great having him back. He is very active on Discord so you can ping him if you want to talk about him about him about his research or any anything else. And uh >> you can talk about him to him.
[laughter] >> Yes, I am. As you see, a little bit not as eloquent as I was in the beginning, but yes, that >> it's a lot funnier, though. [laughter] >> So, yes. Thank you. Maybe we should start talking after I have four hours of >> I got to make sure you're exhausted coming in and then and then you'll just I'll just be able to tease you mercilessly. It's f it's fabulous. Um yeah.
>> Um so, yes, with Bett. Oh, yes. also has this YouTube channel of experiments and everything. You can check it out. He posted it. uh and from his uh talk what I was for me what was interesting part there's a lot of interesting parts but uh this bringing quantum into uh space into space probes and everything and how difficult it is to bring anything new >> uh and new technology into these because but I absolutely understand where he where it comes from uh you know NAZA is they're all government funded and ISA is All the governments that are member states of visa they're funded. There is a certain responsibility in these uh creating this technology. This technology gets created in 20 30 years.
That's the that's the timelines from the concept to actually launching and and and having some data like these are insanely long. Sometimes it's a whole career of a person is just one thing. um having something wrong happening in that is really detrimental.
>> If you have a probe that goes all the way to Mars and there's some sort of a glitch that happened because something was not >> it's happened.
>> Yes. And uh that actually ties an interesting t little tangent that I will allow myself into project Hail Mary where there was a big discussion about um in Hail Mary of what kind of technology do they need to use for uh for science there the instruments and this woman who came in and said like you cannot just create it because uh it's going to it's not going to work these what we have the things that instruments have worked with gravity uh we've researched them, we've used them. There's like thousands and thousands of hours of scientists using them and perfecting them through decades and they work. So that's why they added the spin gravity in Hail Mary >> uh to make these instruments work off the shelf instruments. That's what they went for and that was such a crucial little thing and um >> Oh yeah, that is a good thing, isn't it?
>> Yes, that that ties in and that's like just thinking about it like that ties in with what Bart was saying. he wants and we always need new technology coming out but I understand the other part as well.
Uh in Hail Mary it's even more because it's you know saving the world.
>> Uh it's not as high stakes system.
>> Yeah. Well there's nobody else living >> true in the other parts. So it is >> saving the world but >> I can't talk. I blow them up. So what am I? Yeah. What am I?
>> Yes. Well three three fours three fours of the solar system like Yes. 34s. I thought it was like 58 or something. I was >> there was a 38 >> big part. Maybe people will know how how much of a sol of the solar system McKay blew up and uh Yes. Yes. That was where I was really angry at your character as well. By the way, >> uninhabited. I was no one there.
>> Doesn't matter. you brought in Shepherd all the way there and you had the audacity to think you're smarter than ancients who didn't solve this problem and and McKay was like oh yeah no I'm doing maps better than these agents who created you know Stargates and flying cities and all of that and uh and that's like the audacity almost killed Shepherd.
>> Well he he figures these things out. I I I [laughter] think that I think the point that you're making, which I think is a very good one, is that, you know, it's, you know, that yes, there's all these new and wonderful new technologies that come up that we become enamored with, but the reality is is are they worth the risk of messing destroying five, six of a of a of a solar system? See, I that was my segue. It's my little >> beautiful >> and my way to get out of that whole thing. Um, >> I know. But I can allow myself just a little bit geeking out from time to time about show this is for it's a geek out.
We I literally called it a geek out.
>> Yeah. Uh it is it is a geek out. And uh and yeah, so that's that's the thing that's that's where this new technology versus old technology. And that's where I appreciate that we have now reusable rockets because that's also a big thing.
But building a rocket is really expensive. It takes a lot of effort. You saw how many people are involved in any project >> and how many of them blow up.
>> Yeah. But seriously, [laughter] yes. Yeah, it does happen. And then whatever payload is there, so all these instruments are there all also blown up.
So you lose everything.
>> It's like the risk has got to be insane.
>> Exactly. So that's why lowering lowrisk technology, that's what they're go for.
Um and and that's a big kind of contentment point where you know like like contention point, not contentment, it's exactly anti-contentment. It's contention point between um the new technology and uh and using the reliable. Yeah. Well, and again, it's a bit like McKay. I mean, everyone's gonna all the new people coming up are going to think they've got the latest and greatest g whiz factor, but but the reality is, you know, if this stuff, if it works, don't mess with it. I mean, in a lot of cases, um, especially when it comes to the amount of, you know, government funding and stuff and funding in general that gets involved in this.
So, yeah, Bart was I mean, but Bart is also at the same time, you also need people like Bart who are going to uh try to come up with new ways of doing stuff.
Um, >> Bart and Lisa, they're working which I love too. I think it's fantastic.
>> She's great.
>> I Yeah, I mean I the idea of sort of flying a quantum uh what would it be called? Uh like a gravity meter. Gravity I guess [clears throat] you know around Mars looking for where the water went is just a wonderful kind of a concept there. and also just the whole all the mechanics behind that paper that he's that he's he's been a part of. Um trying to figuring out how these massive volcanoes are still sitting on the top of this thin crust. The idea that we've got a lava lamp happening under there which is just wonderful sort of image.
Uh yeah, I mean I he's there's a ton again a ton of stuff going and then of course he's got the whole history element of it as well where he's actually he's a fascinating person from that that whole concept of like how do we upgrade without losing track of the of the of the of the uh reliability of stuff because while he's pitching this this you know quantum gravity meter thing, he's also delving into the history of these recordings with his whole uh golden calf stuff where he he's looking at this this old 1920s30s technology that was that was you know manhandled around a the the the the Arctic in a in a submarine. I mean I I just >> I so I think there's a real respect there that he's got that he's a perfect person to be selling this stuff because he's got a respect for the historical um elements involved here and the ingenious way that they made this stuff work. his video. If you haven't seen his video on YouTube about that, it's just he pulls it up. Oh my god. Oh, you haven't It's >> No, I uh I think that it's not the first person that we have who's looking into older >> uh data.
>> No. No. True. Yeah.
>> Yeah. We uh Yeah, we we had Eric.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Eric, of course, was doing his >> Yeah. the Apollo. Yeah.
>> Um and that's the whole detective, >> the science detective. That's another show.
>> That's an interesting Yeah, it's an interesting angle >> like going into into historical kind of data and having like researching stuff.
Science >> like that. Yeah.
>> Yeah. How cool.
>> Hello. This week on the science detective. There you go. See, there you go. I've got it already. I got a voice.
>> Okay. And then you you are the science detective. So yeah, we will you I think I think we have quite a good shows show ideas here. So >> the ideas aren't the problem. It's hours in the day >> and funding >> and an army of people to do it for you.
Yes. Or with you. Yeah.
>> Um Yeah, that would be would be.
>> So these are the guests that we had. Um now next week we have another guest that's coming Elsa Ever. She's works at ISA and she works on the same team as Jonatraw like um and and Rob Posta. Uh she works with the ISS experiments, international space station experiments and um I met her at actually a movie premiere, a short film that a friend uh made the uh yes real engine. he makes films and uh I I met her and we just got talking and I really was fascinated by what she does because she's very interested in helping scientist to um because scientists have to submit their experiments for them to be on brought to the ISS. There's only so many experiments that can be brought and done there because it's just the logistics logistics and time of um astronauts. But >> how big a space you've got?
>> Yes, that is also very important. Uh and she was just talking about how a lot of these proposals are not really adjusted to that to the microgravity to reality of ISS and how she wants to help scientists to create these proposals better because um it's something that also connects to what Neil Melville does with all these >> projects that they because it's also microgravity experiments. It's just that they're very short.
>> It's the same as uh you know drop down >> 32 of them. Yeah. Yeah.
>> Yes. Uh so these are all different ways that we can simulate microgravity and how experiments have to be rewritten and written for the environment and how many scientists do not know about the specifics that need to be. So we're going to have uh her as a guest. She's she's great.
>> That'll be a neat little um it' be neat to ask her about Project Hail Mary as well because of that angle that you were talking about before. It's a nice little connection. Yeah, there you go. There's your sci-fi connection right there.
Yeah. And she's and she's wonderful to talk to as well. So that's >> Yeah. Well, Project Hail Mary has a lot of I think connections to because it was such a >> based in reality and what >> uh what actually scientists do. It's it's it's it's it is incredible.
>> Yeah. We sort of agreed at the book club. We sort of agreed that it was like the science was was sound until it got not and they never the the science was pretty sound until you got into the quantum realm and that's where you got to dream a little bit because you got to oh yeah there was stuff >> like that's what you were talking about like how uh how the astrophasia storing the energy and everything that went into quantum >> um then uh we don't have like we should have August 8th I Michael he's from naturalis Oh, right.
>> Yes. Yes. So, another another person who's more related to the >> bio.
>> Yeah. He better figure out that pen penguin. Penguin. Penguin. Penguin.
What's it called? Penguin.
>> Uh, I don't remember.
>> Say it.
>> Pingling.
>> It's a It's the It's the It's the It's the animal that has uh scales.
>> I think it's called a penguin or something. Penguin.
>> Some sort of a >> pengalin. Pengalin. That's it. Anuas is helping us.
>> Anquitis is our brain today.
>> Whole day.
>> Your excuse is you're tired. My excuse is I'm an actor. Um [clears throat] so, uh yes. Yeah. He's he's like he's like, "Why the hell does that thing have scales?" as he was asking. Yeah.
Amazing. Another person who just is wonderful at asking questions.
>> I I met him when I went one more time to Naturalis because I brought people in.
>> Oh, boy. A back.
>> The regular.
>> Ah, am I losing you? No. Um yes and uh we talked about birds and that was very very cool. He is very much into birds.
So if you have bird questions >> he is also a person to ask that.
>> Yeah. And if you ever have a chance go to Naturalis because it's it's absolutely >> Oh yes. Naturalis. Um yes >> right now my favorite research center.
Yes. It's it's an incredible place in Leiden. It's just h it's it's it's awesome. And we are going to go there.
Uh, I just got like an email from from Dino Marty uh for us to go to the back rooms of Naturalis and see all the what people don't see, you know, like all the skulls and stuff they have of their actual >> How's that for liinal space?
>> Yeah. Back rooms of Naturalist.
>> That would be a really good Never mind.
>> That's another good film.
>> That's another good movie right there.
>> That's like That's That's a liinal space horror version of Night in the Museum.
Yeah, that would be the pitch. That's the pitch right there. Done.
>> Uh I call it back rooms and quentas, but it's just like, you know, storage rooms basically.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Uh no, I can't I just absolutely can't wait for that. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Um then after him, we should have it's not fully um confirmed yet, but Thomas Ormston from EOC. And I want to thank Deadliff. He's somewhere here at least was before uh for the introduction. And uh Thomas is gonna be our first person from ESOCH which is a mission control center of European space agency. It's based in Dharmstat and that is where the actually people after like all the launch they they control the spacecraft. So either it's a probe or it's a it's a satellite. uh is what you usually see when you see movies and naza people like clapping and everything all the like uh their own computer stations and then checking all the things that is the isa version of of that place.
>> Of course the truth is he gets woken up in the middle of the night to go and and pilot away from debris.
>> He was talking about the increasing problem of space debris that becomes that operations are becoming more difficult. I'm sorry. I've just like have so much >> I you look you look like a you look like a Bladeunner movie now. Oh, yes.
>> You know, >> that's a bit less. No, >> like a Vanelis soundtrack behind you with the light.
>> Yes. Well, that's that's a soundtrack I I've listened to many many times. It's the best one.
>> So good. Yeah. Yeah. Um so yes uh we will have he was talking about the increasing problem of space debris and basically they have sometimes being called up at at 4 in the morning or whenever that they have to uh change the position of a spacecraft to avoid a degree >> what is it called when we're stuck on the planet because of all our satellites was the term >> it's castler syndrome you mean >> castler syndrome yeah I mean I didn't realize >> that's what gravity the movie was kind of hinting at >> right we've already that >> yes that that hits each um other and then it just creates that >> but there's another term there's another term for a for a a race of or civilization that's put too many things into orbit they haven't hit each other yet but there's too many things up there now that or maybe I guess that is the >> I know uh probably there is maybe I do not remember I'm sure that Isaac Arthur has done a video about that >> oh yeah that's true Isaac yeah I got to go Check out what he's up to, too.
>> Oh, he has so many videos. Um, I feel I don't usually feel FOMO, but >> I feel FOMO for his channel because I haven't watched >> I know. Me, too. I've got There's so many things. Why are there so many amazing things in the world?
>> Yeah. I feel sometimes I would like to warp time >> just to get like to watch everything that I want to watch and read and stuff.
>> Yeah. No, that's very true. But uh next guest, Basto, who >> or Moy, I don't know if I'm butchering his surname. Uh he is actually my neighbor and he works with Frank Stall.
He's actually the person who does the pipets and does all the >> like me.
>> Yeah, like pipetting too.
>> You'll be pipetting. He's the one who invited you to play in his playground.
>> He's having them. He's differentiate different differentiating these cells, right? So basically he's putting them in the right materials for them to differentiate into TE-C cells. I believe it is >> TE- cells is the correct thing.
Everything else uh right now my brain is not in a position to remember the exact terms. I think we will learn a lot.
>> Hi, I forgot.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> Almost almost. You're kind of blurry.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I get What does this button do? [laughter] >> That was the end of our podcast [laughter] >> pretty much. That would be >> You're almost there. You're almost there. Almost there.
>> Almost there. Well, this is all the guests actually because this is August where you're going to be alone because I'm going to be out.
>> Don't Don't be sad. You You'll do fine.
Don't worry.
>> Damn it.
>> Damn Antonio. Must I share you with him?
Um, yes. You guys are going to have a great time.
>> He's my husband. Yes, pretty much.
That's that's that's how it works.
>> Yeah. Right. Fine. Let him take you away for a bit. Uh, no, that's No, that's going to I'm I'm so excited for you.
You're going to get some time off and um and uh and thank you for organizing this stuff while you're away and then hopefully we'll get a couple of actually brilliant and maybe too as well if I'm feeling very >> Well, I wish that you wouldn't do an Actually Brilliant without me. So, that's >> Oh, god. That's right. Okay. Oh, yeah.
Wait a second. If you got me a scheduled, I don't need to. Right.
>> I was going to do Rachel because I thought Rachel was uh >> Yeah, it would be nice to meet Rachel.
>> She want to be there. So, yeah, of course.
>> Yeah. For for that part, I I did your schedule for >> See, I'll cut the part out where I'm selfish. I'll cut that out of this.
>> Thank you.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Uh because after that in September, we're doing Comic-Con connections in the UK. And on our panel we have um well two guests that have been already with us.
Constantine Chad Chertov like his chat is about space psychology like extreme environments.
>> He's really fun. He's a fun guy.
>> He's great. And Gabriella Legaza who is like Mars scientists right like we we had Mar planetary scientist and we will have Chilla or Oral who's also planetary scientist and uh uh now working with the moon. But we will have with V3 as as the scientist panel for our ComicCon connections panel and [clears throat] we're gonna have also the Genius Cafe things there. I don't know.
>> Yeah, please come. But people like I mean I again I sound so self- serving to say come to the conventions that I'm going to. But this one in particular, we're really pushing the science side of stuff. So if you can get there, it would be wonderful because I I >> Mark Donald says he did. Thank you.
>> Mark's already there. Sweet. Yes. So, yes, Comic-Con Connections in UK is going to be in the science center or something.
>> Yeah.
>> Um, >> it sounds to like it sounds right up our alley at this point.
>> Yeah. It's going to be on an observatory and everything. So, it's it should be great.
>> So, we're going to have that. Then we'll probably going to have some live streaming from CERN after that, from Geneva uh the weekend after that because we're going there. Yes. Yes. Uh, >> David got a new camera. David's right here. I'm David. Um, sure why I have to name myself. It's because Agnes is getting tired. That's why I'm getting tired. Um, I gotta figure out how to live stream with this. But if not, then I'll just use the camera. Cuz as Agny pointed out to me, she's like, "I'm so glad you got a new camera. Can you not use that and just go back to what you used to work before?" Because she's like Issa and the old technology.
if we're gonna be very much pushing each other under the bus. Why I said that is because you had a camera. You have you had basically malp on a stick >> with you last time you were at Esta Open Day and we you filmed the first.
>> Did you love the footage I got >> and you never posted anything from that footage that you put there? Therefore, is the process. I suggested that maybe using um you know a live streaming instrument would be better. This is where my arguments came from.
>> You al she also said well you could book a flight to to Europe instead of trying to build a freaking plane. [laughter] I was like how could I [clears throat] sol my weight? Never mind. Uh yes. So so uh nope. All very valid. Maybe we can maybe maybe we could talk to Susan about this. Maybe we could cut together a little like trailer for going to on our Comic-Con and Issa adventures based on the stuff that we had from before.
>> Well, I don't know how much you made in ComicCon. Uh but but yes, these adventures, if you have footage that could be cut into something, maybe if Susan agrees to look through it, then then we could do something with it. I'm just saying that uh especially if we'll have Eric as well on CERN team, it would be easier to actually have u have you both streaming into the account and so there's also a little bit of activity of it. People can see us live there. I don't know how many places we'll be able to actually live stream um at CERN, but I'm sure some of them for sure uh will be will be possible.
>> And we'll try to do some live standup stuff somewhere like so we'll just try to you know even if it's just outside the building when we >> Yeah.
>> leaving or something. Yeah, >> you did that um when you came to just >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I would I would do it while I was walking to Issa from the from the tulip field. Yeah, it's great.
>> Yes.
>> I am not live streaming from a plane.
That has got to be the worst idea ever.
>> Yes.
>> Can you imagine how irritating that would be for everyone around you where it's like, "Hello, interwebs. It's I Hid [laughter] Hid." And everyone's like, "I I'll take a I'll take a chicken, please." Like, it's like, "What? How do you I don't know how you do that.
>> I'm sure people do that." And it is very, very annoying.
>> Oh my god, >> it is horrible. Also, people who put uh who put on um uh u foot moisturizer while on planes. That's the other thing I can't Someone literally took Oh, or did their nails. Oh, that's another that's a whole other thing. Oh my. Okay.
You I am I can horrible.
>> Okay. Um somebody said Zelena and yes, David Nik is going to be at the Comic Con as well. If you come, you can actually have a photo of two Davids.
>> It's true. That is true. Why you'd want the other one, I don't know. But, you know, I certainly one of them, you know, >> Sergeant one of them was worthwhile.
>> No, he's actually looking really good.
He's like, he's a fit little guy. He's like because you know what? Because he's more active than nerdy. I think >> he's always a fun he's he's always fun to have around. So, so and plus when things go wrong.
>> Yeah, breakfast is cold. Zanka, you know, I'll be like, "Yeah, that's it."
>> Um, okay. So this these are our plans and then after that it's going to be ESTC and open day and all these other places that we are going to be visiting here. I don't know how much of it is going to be live streamed, how much not, but if you're going to be at a Comic Con or at uh Isa open day just, you know, let me know on Discord. We can >> Yeah.
>> see you. Uh and uh I just wanted to also extend a thank you to our patrons and especially >> Oh yeah, >> our co-genius patron. Hey, that's right.
Coen Samantha. Samantha the cog genius.
That's right. We have our first cog genius. And it's Samantha.
>> And I failed to do everything I was supposed to do.
>> Well, it's I failed.
>> I said hello. I said thank you. I think I said thank you originally on Patreon.
>> No, the failure was mine because I forgot about the perks.
>> I'm trying to take the bus for you. I'm not What that I'm the bad guy. You're not I I do not like um making it about you under the bus. Let's both go under the bus.
>> Okay, we're both going under the bus for this one. We're lying down. The bus has just gone and um and then probably backed up to get me again because I you know, had I eaten so much fast cheesecake, it takes me a couple times to get um >> too big of a hydrator. It's a it is a new level of Patreon which is a brilliant again a brilliant AGMY idea and I think it's just kind of nice for people to feel because it's it's kind of a specific thing. It's like we are doing these genius chats you can be a co-genius part of it um and and it would just it would look it would it would obviously really help us out and and um and I just think it's a really smart just a smart idea and we just really appreciate it. So thank you so It helps to support what what what we're doing in Conia all these all these events and uh the perks are that we shout out to you where once we remember >> yes [laughter] >> and you're put into the notes of the shows that are uh that are posted and um >> so that so from now on will will Samantha be at the >> Yeah, I've I've put these retroactively uh because she's been [laughter] >> she's been our uh supporter basically for a month now. And uh right now they also have a new perk which is uh every like once in a year they get one of a free Genius Cafe. That's a that's a free ticket.
>> Yeah. So whichever one um Co Genius once they can just enter one of our cafes and they get first call for the Genia Cafe events if they want to buy tickets or claim it as >> What do we do when we have too many of them?
Uh well I mean the first come first served that is that >> Oh okay. All right.
>> So we have 10 tickets per cafe and we email the cog geniuses first. Got it.
>> Uh and if they claim it's you know there's just >> if if we have 10 coeniuses 10 of them want to appear. That's >> just going to be us and cog geniuses.
>> Two little things to the chat. Um, yes, I read that, Cal. And and I don't think anyone needs to be told that Agony is nicer than I am, but thank you for, you know, bringing it up. Anyways, always a pleasure having Cal here. Whatever.
[laughter] Um, and uh, yes, you're right. It's a full-time job. It should actually be called I'm with Agy Genius.
>> Done. Done.
>> That would be a very very specific >> Yes, it's true.
>> Channel and podcast. I think that would be quite limited.
>> Yeah.
>> Um >> well, Antonio would watch. That's, you know, there's that, you know.
>> Yeah. We have an audience of one.
>> Yeah. J. Yeah. No, it's like Yeah.
>> Not bad. But I think that we keep in lane with having current two podcasts without rebranding.
>> Yeah. Yep. Yep. Yep. I'll try not to change the name [laughter] too too many times. Um yeah, that mean Yeah. So, thank you so so much for the code genius, Samantha. And um and uh uh Yeah.
And uh and if anyone else wants to do that, obviously just head on over to Canerdia Canian.com and uh there's a there's a link there to the Patreon and all the other silly things we're up to. Um yeah, so it's kind of fun. Well, if you want to be a part of the the the learning adventures, as we call them.
>> Yes. Yes, they're fun. It's a lot of fun doing this. And >> And now is going to sleep.
>> No, I have dinner to attend. Uh Antonio is making dinner.
>> Nice. What's he making?
>> Uh, today is salmon poke ball. Like a salmon with >> Oh, I tried making one of those. It was a disaster.
>> Very nice. Very nice salmon, but the rest of it was Is he marinating it? Does he marinate the the salmon?
>> We have Well, this one is with a sauce, so this one is not marinated, but we do have one that is very, very good.
>> Um, and it is with marinated. Um, >> yeah, I love the marinated. So good.
like that ceviche kind of thing that happens with the old >> Yeah, actually he made ceviche now twice. He's very very >> uh it is Peruvian originally, but other South American places also have it.
>> Favorite.
>> Uh yeah, it's it's great. Well, I mean he's very good at it, by the way. So So when you come here Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> If you sucked at it, you'd be dead because the the fish would have killed you. I mean, so that's Yeah. Well, I mean, if No, I think it is that the the way fish now is is um processed after being caught is a little bit more >> uh like anti- all these things. And um it is safer than it used to be.
>> Oh god. Yeah. Yeah. Apparently, yeah, apparently chicken too is an issue that although right now in America, I wouldn't eat anything unless you wash the hell out of it at this point. It's like that whole lettuce thing is crazy.
Uh there there are food safety issues in America and I think there when I went there and traveled there was quite interesting how different the food is.
Uh >> yeah well yeah because we don't the the the the rule I mean it's funny because when I went when I go to Europe I'm always amazed at how many rules there are and I mean you know uh in a good and a bad way I suppose but yeah um but that's a topic for another day. You have got to go to your Poke Bowl.
>> And we've got to say thank you to everyone in the chat for being here and all your wonderful chats. Thank you obviously >> to all of our guests for being there to do these science chats. They were just all amazing. There was I can't pick a favorite. They're like they're all just they're all my favorite.
>> Well, you shouldn't pick a favorite, David. That's not That's not how it You wouldn't say it. It's like your kids, you know, like if if you have many kids, you can't tell them who's your favorite.
>> I tell Bass he's my favorite and my least favorite.
Yeah.
>> It's only one. It's the same as as >> your You said your mom said that your your that favorite and only favorite son. Yeah. Yeah. Favorite and only son.
Yeah. Yeah. I It's funny because I just had to write birthday cards for my nieces and they're identical twins. So, not identical twins, but they they are identical twins, but they they look different now, but they were, you know, um and I was like very conscious of like, well, God, I can't I got to be careful. I don't I don't want to accidentally say more or less on one card than the other. So, I was like, you know, going back and forth making sure that I, you know, that even if I didn't say the same thing, I was at least, you know, they were equal amounts of, you know, affection and how proud I am of them and all that kind of stuff. So, yeah, >> it's very sweet.
>> Um, yeah, it's really cute. They uh they've got a they've got a thing called a pre this weekend. They have a pre like so you basically you drink cheaper at home and then you go out. Oh, that that that that's how that's how we always did in Lithuania. We grew up poor. So, you always drink at home first and then go out and maybe buy one drink at max because nobody had money.
>> Yeah. Well, that's Well, I wasn't as expensive when we I was Well, I guess I was a working actor.
>> Well, you didn't you didn't live in post Soviet Lithuania, David, so I don't think you can compare prices. Exactly.
>> Very true. Yeah, very true. God, that immediately makes me think of like 1984 and that horrible gin that they used to he talks about drinking the greasy gin.
Remember that in 1984?
>> I I mean I I read the book, but I don't remember of this gent part specifically.
>> Yeah, he there was this there was this like this government gin and he describes it. It's the most you could almost taste it. It was so revolting >> because otherwise Jin is very nice.
>> I love Oh my god, you kidding. I love it all too much. Um so, uh yes. So, thank you to all. And then last and certainly not least, Agny, you rock. Like you make this stuff happen. It's amazing and it's a joy to do these. I love doing these recaps. Um I'm amazed at how uh how patient you are with me at the best of times and uh and the worst of times and uh and especially during these especially after you've just been speaking A1 Dutch to people for god knows how long. So >> for two hours. So yes. Uh and uh two hours of us. We're two hours 14 minutes in. That's >> Oh my god. That's right. I I got to go talk to a kid about a job at Issa. Um, yes, Agna, you're the best. Thank you all very much. Cal, thank you for coming by.
>> Thank you. Thank you, David. It's always fun. And and thank you, chat. Thank you, patrons. Thank you, everyone. It's u it's it's amazing to have you here.
You're, you know, >> you're the reason why we're doing this, even though David says it's just for himself.
>> It's entirely for me, but yes, it's for you. Um, it's entirely because I just want to talk to smart people and hang out with people like a It's great. Yeah.
So, yeah.
>> Only [laughter] 30 minutes of wrapping up. Yes. Yes, it takes a long while to say to say goodbye.
>> Not good at goodbyes. It's true. I don't like goodbyes. All right, but I will say it. Uh, until we geek again, everybody, be brave, be kind, be brilliant. Cheerio and huz >> and huzzah.
Thank
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