Reform UK's Deputy Leader in 'Heated' Exchange on Climate Science

Added: 2026-05-22

[00:00:00]Hi, I'm actually Dorati, the host of Bloomberg Zero podcast.

[00:00:03]This week on the show, I had Richard Tice, deputy leader of reform UK and the spokesperson for Energy and Net zero, to understand how he thinks about climate and energy issues and, crucially, what evidence shapes his views.

[00:00:17]Look, the climate has always changed for millions of years and it goes through cycles long, medium and short. So these things move in cycles and, uh, always has done, always will do. When I presented him with evidence from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change that the warming we are seeing today is not because of natural causes, but because humans are burning fossil fuels. Well, things got heated.

[00:00:44]What is the point on carrying on a podcast where we fundamentally disagree on everything, right? Well, we can fundamentally try to have a policy discussion because neither of us are scientists.

[00:00:54]I'm presenting you what the scientists said.

[00:00:56]You can take this home. You can read it later.

[00:00:57]I do not need to talk about give me any of it.

[00:01:00]Yeah, it's a waste of. It's literally.

[00:01:02]You're wasting my time. And when show and more evidence.

[00:01:05]You can't present me with a whole load of graphs that I can't read.

[00:01:09]That may well be both. Okay.

[00:01:11]Okay. And put this out there.

[00:01:13]So this this terminates now it's end of podcast.

[00:01:16]Fortunately for us, that was not the end of podcast.

[00:01:20]You can hear the full episode on Bloomberg.com, Forward Slash Zero, Hyphen podcast or wherever you get your podcasts.

[00:01:27]You won't want to miss it. You can have this debate all you want.

[00:01:30]We're winning it. Okay, we're winning elections.

[00:01:32]The voters are backing us. I'm just asking for evidence, is all.