Public debates on complex issues like religion, history, and identity can become chaotic when multiple controversial topics are introduced simultaneously, as demonstrated by a Speakers Corner debate that began with questions about Palestine's historical existence and quickly expanded into theological arguments about divine judgment, race, slavery, colonialism, and identity politics, illustrating how debates can spiral beyond their original scope when participants introduce unrelated contentious subjects.
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Yes, King Solomon was the king of Israel. And yet And the country called Lebanon sent wood down to Israel FOR BUILDING THAT TEMPLE.
>> OKAY.
>> UH-HUH.
>> SO, no Palestine?
>> No Palestine.
>> And nothing?
>> Uh-huh.
The problem Excuse me.
Ever heard of the Babylonians and the Assyrians?
UH-HUH.
KING CYRUS KING NEBUCHADNEZZAR THEY CAME TO Israel and took Jews BACK TO IRAN AND IRAQ AS CAPTIVES, PRISONERS.
Did they take Palest- Palestinians?
>> [laughter] >> OH MY GOODNESS.
OH, YEAH.
>> THE RUSSIAN >> I'm not TALKING ABOUT RUSSIA.
I'M TALKING ABOUT PALESTINE.
OKAY? YOUR COUNTRY.
AM I TALKING ABOUT BENJAMIN? NO. I'M TALKING ABOUT KING DAVID, KING SOLOMON.
AND BY THE WAY, King Jesus Uh-huh.
Yeah.
King of the Jews.
King of the Israel.
>> The Jewish people The British Empire recognized Palestine.
>> Uh Who controlled >> The British was out there.
>> Oh, sir. Sir.
Okay.
>> It was only a protectorate, not a sovereign state.
>> Okay, sir.
>> It was not a sovereign state.
The British recognized it.
>> It was a protectorate.
>> I'm sure the Palestinians and the British were >> Okay. Well, excuse me. Who controlled Palestine, so-called, before Britain?
>> Uh the Ottoman Empire.
>> Oh, who are THE OTTOMANS?
>> TURKS.
>> TURKS. TURKISH.
>> And then >> Right. Can you >> The British would have promised it to the Arabs and THE PALESTINIANS.
>> HANG ON. HOLD IT.
HOLD IT.
>> HOW LONG WAS IT THE Saudi Arabia, WASN'T IT?
>> HOW LONG were the Turks in so-called Palestine?
>> I'm still not convinced.
>> How many years?
>> You know, you know, you know.
>> 400.
>> 400?
>> Yeah. Between 1518 and 1918.
Okay, hold it. Here's the second question for you.
HEY, YOU.
BECAUSE THE TURKS CONTROLLED LEBANON, SYRIA, ISRAEL, JORDAN, EGYPT. Then the Brits came.
>> Yeah, how long were they there, the Brits?
>> Only 30 years.
>> Only 30 years?
>> Very short.
But let me ask you this.
>> I know that question.
>> Can you tell me one Palestinian who told the Turks to get out of the country of Palestine?
Just one.
>> Only one, only one, only one.
>> Just one.
There was 400 years of Turkish occupation.
>> Was?
>> So are you telling me the Palestinians, the Arabs, were quiet?
>> Ah, that's a good question.
>> They were simply shush. Don't talk about it.
>> I shush.
>> Really?
>> What do you want to advocate to the Palestinians?
>> BUT WHEN THE JEWS WENT into exile into Syria, sorry, Assyria, and also Babylon, Iran and Iraq, they had the song in the Bible By the rivers OF BABYLON, WE cried for Zion.
>> Why don't they promise >> Why? Why is Hold it.
>> Why don't they bomb the whole place if the British own it?
>> Are you >> a murderer?
>> Well, God's a murderer, isn't he?
>> Really?
>> He used to kill the firstborn baby, flooded the planet.
>> Oh.
>> What's the MATTER WITH >> OKAY. WHY DID GOD ALMIGHTY >> firstborn child of everyone.
>> Very easy. It was punishment.
>> everyone's god, he does evil things. How come? How come?
>> God does no evil.
>> He kills people.
>> Yeah, he executes.
>> You must be watching the BBC. Stop it.
>> WHAT ABOUT WHAT ABOUT NOAH'S ARK? He killed people, didn't he?
>> Right. Do you know the difference between >> Flooded the planet.
>> Do you know the difference?
>> Flooded the planet, didn't he?
You know what a family is. You're the only righteous person. What about all the OTHER FLIPPING PEOPLE?
>> OH, THAT'S EASY.
>> AND THEY'RE ALL DEVILS, THEN.
>> Hang on, sir. Were you ONE OF THOSE OUTSIDE NOAH'S ARK?
>> There must have been >> Were you?
>> people [screaming] >> Hey.
>> slaughtered the others.
>> If Noah >> I know.
>> If Noah did not trust God, >> he kill >> Hey, YOU WANT AN ANSWER OR NOT?
>> WHY DID HE KILL THE FIRSTBORN?
>> YOU WANT AN ANSWER?
Thank you. Quiet.
>> ALL GODS >> YOU WANT AN ANSWER? YES OR NO?
>> YOU WANT AN ANSWER? I CAN'T understand it. Why?
>> Give me an answer.
>> YOU WANT AN ANSWER?
>> WILL YOU ANSWER?
>> RIGHT. QUIET, THEN I'LL GIVE you an answer. Yes?
>> Come in.
>> Thank you. Number one. In the days of Noah, >> Yeah.
>> right? How many millions of people did not trust God?
>> What was it, a mouth?
>> Uh-uh. That's the whole point of the >> Egyptians just worshiped the sun 2000 BC before any of this nonsense.
>> Yeah. And And what does God >> 2000 BC before any of this nonsense.
>> God says, "I am the Lord."
>> They used to worship the sun.
>> Is the sun God?
>> So, what's happened to the Egyptians?
>> Hey, you.
>> Egyptians >> Mister sunglasses man.
>> The Egyptians were very >> Are you? What do you worship, trees?
>> It doesn't matter what I worship.
>> Do you worship Hollywood stars?
Oh, you do.
>> This is Disney. You worship Disney.
>> Really? What's the number one thing in your life?
Yeah, number one.
>> Beer.
>> That's your god.
>> The beer.
>> That's your god.
>> You know, this is me.
>> You're a drunk.
You're an alcoholic.
>> WHY DID >> WHY ARE YOU AN ALCOHOLIC?
>> Committed evil acts. What did I do to you?
>> Good.
>> So what's that?
>> Really?
>> What was that?
>> Judgement.
>> know what you're talking about. What was that? Maybe I could just throw up.
>> Is that what God Is that what God said?
>> Did he throw up, yes or no?
>> First of all, that You don't want to listen to me.
>> So when he throws up, he committed evil acts.
>> When God said the When God Almighty >> And what about plagues?
>> DO YOU WANT AN ANSWER?
YOU DON'T WANT AN ANSWER, DO YOU?
>> PLAGUES down to the earth.
>> Forget it.
>> And kill people.
>> You don't want an answer, do you?
>> I don't know God. I don't know what I'm doing.
>> Your god is beer.
>> He committed evil acts.
>> Your god is beer.
>> I DON'T KNOW WHY.
>> WHY DO YOU drink beer?
>> I don't even drink. I can't understand.
I CAN'T >> WHY DO YOU DRINK BEER?
>> LISTEN.
>> THAT'S YOUR GOD.
>> HE SAYS WHAT?
>> God is your beer.
>> Yeah, but >> Yeah.
>> You can't >> That's why you can't think properly.
>> My god has committed a lot of evil acts.
>> Good acts.
>> Good acts is good acts.
>> Okay. Where does death come from?
Why are you going to die one day?
Why?
>> For you AND ME.
>> WHY?
WHY?
>> He committed a lot of evil acts.
>> Why is death in the world?
Where does death from?
>> Where does poor people Really? Okay, where does death come from?
Where does death come from?
>> It doesn't matter where it comes from.
>> It does matter.
>> Well, let me say this. The pharaohs were here 2,000 BC.
>> Yeah.
Really?
>> And they were very advanced civilization.
>> Yeah, those African Those African Those African were amazing.
Those black people were amazing.
Those Yeah, those blacks were amazing.
Those blacks were amazing.
>> They weren't only blacks.
>> Those black Africans were amazing. SO, YOU KNOW you're a racist.
Yeah.
The Egyptians were black people. The Egyptians were originally BLACK PEOPLE.
OH.
SO, WHAT COLOR AM I?
What color am I?
>> As a Christian, why you shouldn't be accept praising Jews.
>> Excuse me, I'm talking to somebody.
Thank you.
Right.
Excuse me, what talking to racist? Do you hear what he said? Do you hear what he said about black people?
Oh, so it's okay to be racist?
Well, I'm not interested in your racism.
Egyptians were Africans and Africans.
Where did you get the word negro from?
Where do you get the Hey, you racist.
Hey, stop being a racist.
You're the one using the N-words.
Why you using the N-words?
WHY YOU USING THE N-WORDS?
WHY YOU USING THE N-WORDS? [laughter] You used the N-words.
No.
Okay. TELL HIM THAT. WHY does he use the N-word?
>> I saw in Africa they everyone belongs TO A TRIBE.
>> WHY DO [screaming] YOU USE THE N-WORD?
>> What tribe do you belong to in Africa?
>> I don't have a tribe, YOU >> [laughter] [screaming] [laughter] >> I KNOW I'LL SEND ANOTHER ROCKET to him.
>> Your group is not in Africa.
>> Yes, I You don't know anything about me.
You see?
>> I hate you coming OUT.
>> I'M A SON OF ADAM AND EVE.
>> IF YOU'RE FROM >> I AM A SON OF ADAM AND EVE.
>> my friend and he's my brother in Jesus.
>> Okay.
>> in this country for many many years.
>> You belong to a tribe in Africa or not?
>> Don't don't disparage him. He is a good man.
>> I'm disparaging him.
>> Yes, you did.
>> I'm very thankful to God that this man is in this country at this time. God bless you, brother.
>> Thank you, brother.
>> God bless you.
>> This man is my brother.
>> I'm allowed to not speak here.
>> No, but you're using racist words.
>> What we want to say is your God has committed a lot of evil acts. It's what everyone's got here.
>> There's no evil in my God.
>> Yes, there is. He flooded the planet. He killed loads of people. He killed the firstborn baby.
That's two of them.
Why did he do that?
>> You're a drunkard.
>> He said pray.
>> drinks beer You said so. He drinks beer.
>> God has committed a lot of evil acts.
>> My goodness.
You really hate God, don't you?
>> Why has he done that? All the religions.
>> Tell me about it.
>> Tell me that. Why has he done that?
>> Religion is evil.
>> When he flooded the planet, he killed loads of people.
>> Right. There were EIGHT PEOPLE THAT SURVIVED THE FLOOD.
WHY WHY did God get angry with the people outside the ark? Because they did not They never believed that God was serious about judgement.
My Egyptian brothers in Egypt in Africa The Jewish people were slaves.
Oh goodness.
This is just amazing, isn't it?
You are racist.
You used THE N WORD.
WHY YOU USED THE N WORD?
You used the N word. You used the N word.
Yep, you can travel but you used the N word.
I see they used it again.
That's a bad word. It's racist.
It's a racist word.
Okay, there are no negros in the world.
Never have been.
Egyptians are Africans.
They are Africans.
Oh, really?
So you're talking about Egypt today.
>> The other African countries are not >> in Egypt.
>> Oh my goodness.
>> So they're tribes.
>> Oh, really?
>> They belong to tribes.
>> Who are the Copts?
>> I've been there, SO >> WHO ARE THE COPTS?
>> SURE ARE THE NOT CHAMPIONS.
>> Uh Who are the Copts?
>> And they're Jamaicans, right?
>> Jamaicans?
>> come straight from Africa.
>> Who told you that?
>> Indigenous Jamaican, he's Indian-looking. So when they >> [laughter] >> Copts are from Africa, really.
>> Really?
>> IT'S A FACT.
>> WHAT ABOUT the white WHAT ABOUT WHITE people taking as slaves to Africa?
>> is the master, because they don't believe in evolution. They come out We all come out of Africa.
>> No, we don't. No, we don't.
Sorry.
>> I came out of my mother.
>> Yeah, fine.
the sunshine.
What?
What's that?
So what?
What's that?
NO ONE. HEY. HEY, YOU ARE DELUDED.
NO, we didn't.
No, we didn't.
No, we didn't. Are you TELLING ME YOUR FATHER was a monkey?
Really?
Your father was a monkey?
To show you how racist it is.
And you don't get it, do you?
No, we did not.
No, we are not. Uh-uh. Uh-uh. Uh-uh.
No.
No.
>> [laughter] >> What?
No.
>> I don't go black.
>> That's not true.
>> I don't go back to the white person marriage, right?
>> What's the plan?
>> Their children [laughter] have been to go watch.
>> You don't go black.
>> I don't go black.
Is that TRUE OR NOT?
>> NO.
>> They do go black.
>> Don't you know that they were white English people taken as slaves to Algeria in the 1600s?
Why do you not know that, do you?
>> More slaves than any Europeans.
>> What color were those children?
>> They stopped slavery.
>> Pink.
>> empire I've ever seen, the British and the best.
We stopped slavery, the British.
We stopped it.
>> The Christians.
>> said they did.
>> CHRISTIANS STARTED THE EMANCIPATION, YES. WILLIAM WILBERFORCE.
>> WHEN THE BRITISH started it.
>> Who was William Wilberforce?
What?
>> When we colonized Africa, the church >> And Africa's a continent.
Hey.
You don't even know your own history, do you?
Young man, you You don't know your history.
>> Well, they used to consult with me anyway.
I thought you used to talk like this, but I think [laughter] you'll be I'll be up there soon.
>> Only when you're born again.
>> [laughter] >> You're so confused.
>> Ay, [music] ay, ay, ay, ay. So confused.
Heavenly Father, we just pray for these confused people.
>> [music] [music] [music] >> Woo!
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