#130: Psychedelic Past and Present: Eugenics and Empire w/ Habsburg Jawlly West

追加: 2026-05-25

[00:00:01]Hey and welcome back to Dulgence everybody. Today it's me and my boy Havsburg Jolly West. Habsburg, what's going on man? How are you today?

[00:00:10]>> Doing good, man. How about you?

[00:00:12]>> I'm well. I'm well, thank you. Um, so yeah, man. You've been working uh you've been working your ass off on uh doing quite a bit of research and prepping up uh bunch of information for us. Uh and yeah, today's the day. So, um the floor is yours, my friend. Um, excuse me. The floor is yours, my friend. Um, we're going to be touching on, uh, I mean, seems like a lot of different topics that'll stem into, uh, psychedelics and eugenics. Um, so yeah, man. Um, where would you like to start? Where does your research take us? Um I think you know first and foremost I you know just want to like kind of give a little bit of uh you know background um for me personally you know we like get into you know talking about the subject um for the benefit of anybody who is listening in case you know they think that um you know I'm like biased in a certain way or you know um I have um you know I I don't have like a a personal experience or you know like things like this. Um I uh I have um you know you know decades of you know personal you know psychedelic uh experience. Um you know going back to 1996 I you know took a you know my first acid trip. Um I you know dedicated a lot of like my time, resources, you know like personal efforts and energy to you know like the investigation of of these substances um and uh you know have um not only had you know hundreds of of you know different you know trips on different you know um substances I've you know manufactured you know this is um you know not something I'm I'm actively engaged in.

[00:02:13]So you know I I think I don't you know I I think I run very little risk you know by uh you know admitting this publicly but like I have you know manufactured DMT. I have uh grown psilocybin mushrooms like on a personal and commercial you know scale. Um I have um you know traveled to uh South America to you know uh you know to uh you know do uh participate in Iawaska deatas in the um you know Amazon jungle uh you know years before this became like a uh kind of like a popular you know thing to do. So um you know my that's our guy um you know so so my my point here is is you know is is to you know to to kind of give my bonafitas and say that like you know I have uh you quite you know quite a a realm of experience before we start like talking about anything that anybody would think that I have like a you know a inherent bias or that I don't you know that I don't know like um you know from a personal you know experiential level you know about these things And um but uh you know it's it's something that over the years um you know like uh I have you know developed you know a deeper understanding of you know the the the history of these things and you know like how they've been used um and you know what I think that they're being you know uh designed to use be used for you know moving into the the future. And so, you know, uh the the reason that we sort of like honed in on doing, you know, this episode was, uh, you know, about a month ago, of course, and most people are familiar that, um, President Trump issued an executive order, um, about fasttracking, uh, you know, uh, FDA research on psychedelics, including psilocybin and ibane. And um so it it occurred to me that uh you know that there was some interesting things regarding like the timing of that announcement um and that you know relate to uh you know some some like historical aspects of you know psychedelics and um you know so I think that would be a good place to start. Actually, would you want to um maybe roll the the video of that announcement? It's maybe like a Yeah, maybe it's like a minute long or something like that. But that, you know, >> uh the the um kind of like optics of that whole, you know, press conference with Joe Rogan is, you know, worth mentioning. Um, of course, you know, he he's somebody that's like had a big big impact on on the the culture around psychedelics and um, so yeah, >> I have a uh I have an NBC kind of >> Yeah, I mean it's >> I think this will give and stuff.

[00:05:21]>> If it's not good, I'll I'll pull up something else. Just let me know.

[00:05:25]>> No, you're not hallucinating. These experimental treatments have shown life-changing potential.

[00:05:30]>> President Trump signed an executive order on Saturday, speeding up reviews of certain psychedelic drugs, easing restrictions for medical research on psilocybin or magic mushrooms and ibagane, a natural psychoactive drug, even joking he'd be open to trying them.

[00:05:46]>> Can I have some, please? I'll take it.

[00:05:48]>> Popular podcaster Joe Rogan says he helped push the president on the issue.

[00:05:52]>> I sent him that information.

[00:05:54]The text message came back. Sounds great. Do you want FDA approval? Let's do it.

[00:06:01]>> It's a far cry from the 1970s. Richard Nixon declared >> Yeah. See see if see if there's >> in the >> You want like more of his actual uh >> Yeah. But you know what I what I was especially wanting was, you know, where he's he's talking about um using it to treat like uh veterans and soldiers and stuff. I think that that's the most relevant thing, you know, from um >> Did you say it was like a one minute clip? Because I have a one minute clip here. I think that's >> Yeah, I want to say I want to say it was it was about one minute, you know, something like that.

[00:06:38]>> This one didn't work. Then >> I'm signing, we're actually signing the executive order today is uh really a moment. It directs the FDA to expedite their review of certain psychedelics already designated as breakthrough therapy drugs. They're very much um being discussed. I that's one of the hottest things I think you're talking about, right? It's nothing if if these turn out to be as good as people are saying, it's going to have a tremendous impact on this country and other countries too. These treatments are currently in the advanced stages of clinical trials to ensure that they're both safe and effective for the American patients. And the nice part is we're actually doing this early, but it has been going on. Research has been going on because it's so important and experienced an 80 to 90% reduction in symptoms of depression and anxiety within one month. Can I have some please? I'll take >> I'll take whatever it takes.

[00:07:47]>> I don't have time to be depressed. You know, if you stay busy enough, maybe that works, too. That's what I do.

[00:07:55]>> You didn't mention the soldiers in that one.

[00:07:57]>> Okay. I It's Yeah, I you know, I I don't know. I I um we we probably could find it, but basically in that you know press conference like he's um basically bragging you know a lot of what he's saying is you know that these things are so effective in treating like post-traumatic stress in um in soldiers and in veterans and that that's like you know um why he chose to you know um issue the executive order to fasttrack the you know um research uh by by the FDA into these substances as to you know for the benefit of of veterans.

[00:08:36]>> Um and so uh you know basically that that happened on um April the 18th of this year. So a little bit more than a month ago. And um the the interesting thing about the timing of that is that April 19th and April 20th are both days that um you know relate to like you know psychedelic psychotropic drug um kind of um like the the celebration um or like you know public consumption um of those of you know certain types of drugs. Um that also, you know, like correlate with um certain um you know, events in in modern history that are also like um you know, very um bloody and, you know, have have resulted in, you know, a lot of like uh mass casualties and, you know, so I think that, you know, something that that I have um you know, speculated on is that these days uh April 19th and April 20th relate to these um you know ancient like Dionisian rituals. Uh you know Dianisis being like the um you know Greek god of um like wine and drunkenness and intoxication.

[00:10:01]Um you know there would be these like springtime festivals. there were, you know, like fertility festivals, um, you know, bakanals, um, where, you know, the the, uh, communities would engage in, um, you know, mass scale communal intoxication, uh, you know, from wine, uh, alcohol, but like, you know, whatever drugs were available to them. you know, a lot of these things, you know, we we don't know exactly what they were taking, but they were um you know, engaging in like mass scale um intoxication and then like uh you know, orastic like sexual activity.

[00:10:43]Um these were fertility rights in the springtime and you know these these were like um you know attempts to you know like create communal you know fertilization. Um and uh the the other side of that was that there's um the the sparagamos ritual that was kind of like the other side of the coin of the the Bakanal which was like a sacrifice a blood sacrifice and it would either be like you know uh there would be animal sacrifice or there would be human sacrifice um and uh there would actually you know typically be uh consumption of blood or of the actual flesh of the sacrifice be it uh animal or human. Um and so you had like this was the kind of like dichotomy of duality of these dionizian rituals was you had the you know um ecstatic intoxication and uh you know um culation um and then the like simultaneous uh you know spilling of blood and celebration of death. It's this, you know, death and and rebirth, um, you know, kind of, you know, ritual that's intertwined. Why is that important? Um, because, you know, April 19, you know, so so Trump issues the executive order April 18th. April 19th being bicycle day. Bicycle Day is for those who don't know is the uh celebration of the uh discovery uh Albert Hoffman's discovery of LSD in 1943.

[00:12:24]Um Albert Hoffman of course being you know a chemist at Sando's laboratories in Basil, Switzerland. Um he was you know doing research on uh urgot alkaloids and um you know did in 1938 he synthesized LSD25. It was the 25th iteration of you know these uh lysurgomides and um it was lysurgic acid dialomide is the the 25th iteration of lysurgic acid diylomide and um he discovered it in 1938 and you know didn't uh you know like didn't you know do anything with it is as the story goes until 1943 he like took it off the shelf. he had some type of like intuitive um I don't know ideiation of uh you know using this thing for some reason he gets it you know basically the bottle off the shelf he has some accidental you know contact with his skin and you know feels like above the threshold effects of LSD25 prompting him a couple days later on April 19th 1943 to um deliberately dose himself with 250 micrograms. Um, which is interesting that he like, you know, chose like that amount because that's, you know, more or less like an active dose that, you know, would be, you know, h how would he know? Who knows? Um but the point is is that he he he took he took a bicycle ride from you know Sando's laboratory to his home and you know recorded the effects and you know that this was like you know where you know like psychedelic you know modern psychedelic culture came from is from from that day. So you know this is celebrated basically as a holiday.

[00:14:20]People all over the world you know embibe LSD on uh bicycle day.

[00:14:27]this is you know so that's the like bakanal aspect of it but then you know like the sparagamos aspect of um April 19th I mean you have had like all of these you know major you know uh you know many will ar you know maintain that these are like staged you know sacrificial events. Um you had the uh the the Waco uh massacre in 1993 um you know where the ATF you know killed uh you know 70s something you know branch devidians in uh Waco, Texas. Um on April 19th, 1993 um uh April 19th, 1995, the Oklahoma City bombing. Um, and April 19th, 1775 was the shot her around the world, the the start of the American Revolutionary War. So, you have these like very uh, you know, conspicuous um, you know, blood sacrifice events that, you know, are happening on April the 19th, which is, you know, correlates, you know, with this bicycle day. So uh you know like I think that that's you know demonstrative of this point that there you have this like duality of the you know um the bakanal and the the sparagamos. The the following day is April 20th of course is the you know global uh celebration day of uh cannabis consumption.

[00:16:00]And um you also have the you know uh the the Coline massacre in 1999 uh you know one of the most you know deadly uh you know like you know shooting events, bombing event, you know whatever you whatever exactly happened you know one of the most you know largest mass casualty events um you know in American history. um you had it's also Adolf Hitler's birthday, April 20th and uh the start of the the French Revolutionary War in 1792. So um you know again there's this um real you know duality uh you know of the you know kind of Bakanal Sparagamos that that relates to April 19th and April 20th. So, I think that there was a very, you know, uh, deliberately timed, um, you know, release of this executive order on April 18th ahead of these two, you know, ceremonial dates that I thought was was really interesting and, you know, couldn't be ignored. Um you know so I think that the that the other thing is is that you know we are um you know currently obviously like in this military conflict uh you know on a global scale um you know in Iran um also in Eastern Europe things like this and um you know that with Trump basically talking about using you know psychedelics for um uh to treat veterans which is which has been like a a big push in terms of legitimizing the the research around these chemicals um >> in in modern times. Excuse me.

[00:17:48]>> Sorry to interrupt, my friend. I I do have if you do want me to pull it up, I do have the clip when he's talking about >> um >> it it couldn't hurt. I mean, you know, it's it's it's pretty key to to some of these points.

[00:18:03]>> Sorry, I didn't want to interrupt you, but I >> No, you're good. Thought I should let you know that I had it for Okay.

[00:18:21]Real hero today. I'm pleased to announce historic >> I think I have the tab muted. One second.

[00:18:44]Oh yeah, here forms to dramatically accelerate access to new medical research and treatments based on psychedelic drugs. In many cases, these experimental treatments have shown life-changing potential for those suffering from severe mental illness and depression, including our cherished veterans. Our veterans having a tremendous hard time. You know, the suicide rate, we have it down a little bit, but they are having a hard time.

[00:19:17]And I got a call from a number of people, including the great Joe Rogan, and he said, "We have to do something about this." And I looked into it. I called Bobby. I called Oz. I called Marty and Jay and it was really it was uniform support and I said so why would we wait three or four years to get it done or or 10 years frankly let's get it done immediately and that's what happened this has probably never been anything happen so quickly everybody is so strongly in favor of this it's it's for a lot of people but it's for our military in particular the suicide epidemic among veterans is a national tragedy since 911 we've lost over 21 times more vet.

[00:20:03]>> That's fine. We can we can cut it off there.

[00:20:06]>> That's good. Okay. Sorry.

[00:20:07]>> Yeah, that's fine. You know, basically the you know the point that that I was, you know, trying to make here is that >> 21 times more and today we're >> sorry.

[00:20:17]>> Bringing them new hope. I think you're going to see I've heard I've heard enough of this guyuction in that number.

[00:20:22]>> Yeah. Sorry, YouTube's giving me a There we go. I don't know why YouTube's giving me um But but basically like you know the the thing that um you know that that strikes me about that is you know using this um you know to basically say like we're going to use this to to treat uh you know soldiers for PTSD from you know like the horrors of war instead of saying like we're going to not be engaged in war. We're going to treat uh Oh Anna, thanks for joining us. really appreciate it. Good to see you. Um, instead of instead of saying we're, you know, we're not going to engage in war, it's, you know, it's we're going to, you know, keep soldiers from feeling remorse, from feeling depression, from, you know, they're engaging in wars. Um, you know, we're we're going to we're going to try to, you know, use these drugs to, you know, assuage their their guilt, their shame, their remorse, their depression, their their suicidal ideiations from having like committed atrocities and more. and you know to to be able to like um say well you know this is this is a way to create like stronger soldiers to to you know that that don't have these kinds of like you know compunctions of you know about their activities uh you know on the battlefield um or like you know somebody gets like you know shell and you know we talked about uh like the first time we ever chatted that Tavistock Institute you know like it started as as a as a means of treating shell shock in in World War I and you know how to like uh you know take veterans off the battlefield and to like treat their you know their condition of feeling like these you know um you know horrors uh you know uh uh experiences of you know from from you know killing and you know witnessing uh killing and things like this. So, uh, to me, like what, you know, the subtext here is like we're going to make soldiers that are, you know, immune to, um, to these atrocities by giving them these drugs, you know, and, uh, I think that, uh, when we look at, you know, who is, you know, largely behind, uh, you know, a lot of these companies that are, um, you know, looking to, uh, capitalize on these drugs and on these trials. s that are being you know green lit with the FDA.

[00:22:50]You have companies like uh AI uh life sciences and compass pathways. Um these are largely funded by Peter Teal. Um, you know, Peter Teal of course being, >> you know, like the um, you know, like the, you know, at the, you know, very like top of the the hierarchy of, you know, the the military-industrial complex, you know, private, um, you know, uh, intelligence gathering to, you know, um, data collection to fuel these, you know, military technologies, be it like Palunteer, be it Andero um and and he's the one who like is is personally investing um in backing these companies. Um so and obviously uh you know Peter Teal himself is like you know really into transhumanism. Um the the the guy who started at Thai Life Sciences, Christian Angger Meyer is a German uh entrepreneur is also a major um uh um transhumanist that he started these enhanced games, right? So where you know people would >> Oh, he's the one who started that.

[00:24:06]>> He's the one who started it. Yeah.

[00:24:08]>> That's supposed to be Is that still supposed to be this year or is it >> Oh, I know. I think I think it I think it's happen I think it's happening really soon. I could be wrong about that. Um >> but yeah, but so you know you you look and you see so like the people that are that are involved in um you know in these clinical trials that that they're that this executive order is going to be you know enabling these company. These are private, you know, for-profit companies and they're being backed by, you know, these uh transhumanists who like have deep deep deep connections with the military-industrial complex, you know, DARPA CIA in it was there you go.

[00:24:49]>> I kne I knew I knew it was happening right around, right? So So that's so that's Christian Anger Meer. Um, okay.

[00:24:55]And then, and so you have like a lot of these >> people that are involved in like the Maha, you know, I mean, obviously RFK, um, you know, has been vocal about his support for, um, um, the psychedelics and stuff, but one of his like under secretaries uh, is Cali Means, who you may or may not be familiar with. Um but he uh he's a graduate of Stanford and Harvard. His um sister Casey Means is also a you know Stanford graduate. Of course Peter Teal went to Stanford. you know, Stanford being like one of the epicenters of, you know, Stanford Silicon Valley being one of the epicenters of, you know, psychedelic research and culture, you know, in the United States, of course.

[00:25:42]Um, but, you know, Cali means um, and he's been like heavily promoted by Tucker Carlson and Joe Rogan, all these people. Um and he has been for years like uh on his Twitter feed you know shilling for ATI and Compass Pathways like um as a investment um vehicle. Um, so the these guys are, you know, that that are involved in in MA and involved in, you know, like the uh nu the the NIH and, you know, all of the u, you know, like the, you know, federal um, uh, regulatory, you know, organizations are personally invested and personally like, you know, promoting um, these drugs too.

[00:26:30]So, um, and and another interesting thing is as regards like, you know, federal agencies, the FDA, the FDA approved ketamine therapy for depression on the same day that Trump was inaugurated in 2025. Um, and uh, it's it's it's actually a um nasal spray called I think Speriva something. Spivato, I think, something like that. um by by Johnson by Johnson and Johnson who of course was manufacturing the um the C19 uh jabs that uh were also um fasttracked through uh you know uh or circumventing FDA approval um by Trump's executive order uh six years ago for um Operation Warp Speed. So to me I see I see this like you know very definite parallel um you know between uh you know not just like the manufacturers that that are producing you know these uh these drugs the like executive orders that you know you know circumventing you know traditional like pathways for for FDA approval things like that to you know what what we saw with the uh the C19. I I don't know what we can and can't say so I'll call it C19. Does that work? Right.

[00:27:56]>> Sure, >> that's fine. Yeah.

[00:27:57]>> I I don't I don't want to get us censored or anything. Um so, so basically like you know that that being you know kind of like the impetus of you know what happened recently to why well you know I thought we should you know start having this conversation and you know basically you know where uh where where do these you know like where do these drugs come from? Um you know in obviously like in ancient times you know these these you know substances have been used uh you know we we discussed like the Dionian rituals but like in uh you know um pre-Colombian Messo America you know we're talking about the Mayan cultures the Aztec cultures the Incan cultures all of them use uh you know psychedelics ceremonially but um also very conspicuous ly um in uh correlation with human ritual sacrifice. So you know in the the Aztec culture the priest class you know they you know would consume both um psilocybin mushrooms as well as morning glory seeds which contain LSA which is you know um lysurgic acid which is you know um is what um LSD is derived from.

[00:29:21]>> Okay. And uh you know these they would like engage in these like very bloody you know sacrifice rituals um and that there you know the um psychedelics these tryptoamine you know compound psychedelics are a very prominent part of uh yes exactly Adam just pointed to something we're going to get into that too um but yeah Elon Musk is a big proponent of of ketamine and um he's also a big supporter of maps um you know financial supporter. Um, you know, ketamine is is definitely like one of these drugs that Compass Pathways um is really involved in promoting um and uh producing.

[00:30:06]So um but uh but yeah basically um in Meso America you you also had the the Mayan cultures you know the the Mayan priest class also you know would specifically consume um psilocybin mushrooms during these like human sacrifice rituals. Um they also like you know um uh in in Incan civilization which is you know more like in Peru um they they uh were giving these um you know the tryptoamines um DMT uh iawasa to um the victims of the sacrifice. Uh so it it there's it's not necessarily that their priests who were performing the sacrifice like in the Mayan and Aztec cultures were consuming them but they were giving them to the the actual victims. We know this because um we have like recently discovered you know like the remains of sac sacrificed children um from you know incan burial sites that um were you know that had uh the iawaska compounds uh in in in the in the bodies and um you know so so what you know what what's really interesting about that is uh you know specifically with giving it to like these the the ritual sacrifice victims is that like we are seeing a lot of um studies you know go um that actually precede you know the this uh executive order and the you know FDA approval stuff um designed by like John's Hopkins University in Baltimore um that relate uh they're they're one of the only places institutions that has been doing long-term trials on you know psilocybin um and specifically as relates with end of life anxiety. So, one of the things that they're studying um is giving mushrooms to people with like stage four cancer and you know demonstrating that it like relieves these people of end of life anxiety around death. And um so when you talk about like um kind of like ritual sacrifice and things like this, you know, it gets into now we we have like stateup supported uh you know uh doctor assisted uh um uh life terminations, suicide whatever um like the maid program up in Canada. And um you know what's really interesting is so you have these um have you seen the the the um it's a fashion company. Have you seen this ad? It's for um si Simon's fashion.

[00:33:05]It's called and it's called All is Beauty and it and I don't know what this fashion company actually like has to do with like you know promoting maid but they made this whole like commercial um and it's you know it's about like this woman at like the end of her life she's choosing to to to to do maid and they're doing like a Iaska ceremony on the beach but they also have this like weird um you know like uh uh blue whale skull thing. It's like a some kind of weird sculpture in the in this video. Um, and so so it's it's pretty obvious that they're like promoting made with like the optics of um you know like these iawaska ceremonies um and uh actually the the the blue whale.

[00:33:55]Is that is that something that you can pull up? The video is probably too long to show, but maybe there are like some stills from it. It's called It's called All is Beauty.

[00:34:06]It's this thing. Yeah. Um and uh basically, yeah, if you I mean, if you just want to like run that with the the sound off, you know, like we we can just we can just kind of like keep that up. Um but but you'll see you know right here it's it's this woman and um you know it cuts to like the beach and then you know later on in this commercial she's like doing a you know Iawaska ceremony with her people and this this right here that that shows this blue whale. Well what's you know really strange about this is there is this blue whale challenge. Is this something that you've heard of? um you know that there's like a like an internet thing where it's like oh in 50 days you like you know people are challenged to like progressively you know commit acts of like self harm ultimately like uh resulting in you know suicide on the 50th day. So, you know what I guess I guess what I'm trying to, you know, like point to here is, you know, it seems to me like, you know, that there is a lot of like propaganda and uh, you know, a lot of, you know, work to justify using psychedelics to condition people, you know, towards like being comfortable with either being sacrificed or taking their own lives. um you know so I think that that the you know speaks to kind of like this eugenic um agenda that um you know eugenic Malthusian agenda depopulation what have you. Um and you know you have like people like the you know the the Huxley's um you know who have been like historically really you know key to uh you know the Huxley family is you know key to like kind of promoting um Darwinian uh you know concepts um you know Malthusian concepts um you know um eugenic concepts transhumanism and also So, you know, like really being like the the the originators of like psychedelic culture, you know, with Aldis Huxley, Doors of Perception. Um, but you know, prior to that, like Brave New World in 1932, right? And you know, so so you know what's really interesting about that is you know um you had Aldis Huxley and his brother Julian Huxley obviously who was the president of the British Eugenic Society. Um he was he coined the term transhumanism. Uh Julian Huxley >> coined it. Oh wow.

[00:36:46]>> Yeah. He he he literally came up with that term in 1957 some I I believe 57.

[00:36:53]Um and um he he founded UNESCO, the World Wildlife, found uh uh the World Wildlife Fund. Um you know, he's a he's hardcore eenesis. He is a fellow of the Royal Society. Well, their grandfather Thomas Huxley um was a fellow of the Royal Society and he is known as Darwin's Bulldog. And so he was really the you know like the person and and for those who don't know the Royal Society um is the longest running like academy of sciences in in the world um it's you know it's basically like um you know under the opaces of like the British monarchy um and uh it is like >> it's it's really the establishment of science when they talk about like trust the science that it's the Royal Society. They are like the gatekeeper. They are like the arbiter of what is like, you know, scientifically, you know, acceptable in the establishment. And it goes back, the organization goes back to the 1600s.

[00:37:57]And it was originally founded as the invisible college. Um, and what's interesting about that is that, you know, the invisible college is a term that, you know, the Rosacruians used to to describe, you know, their organization. And of course the Royal Society was founded by a group of Rosacrruian Freemasons you know people that are you know involved in a cultism alchemy um that's the you know the foundation of you know like modern sciences was you know in these like alchemical pursuits um so the the Royal Society is really like um you know spawned out of these you know um occult secret societies um and uh you had in, you know, the the 1800s, Thomas Huxley, um who, you know, he he was um he he founded a group called the X Club, and you know, this was this was nine of his fellows. Um and they basically, you know, it was like a a supper club that met, you know, monthly before they would go to their meetings at the Royal Society. and they essentially like conspired to take over the royal society. Um and they did they reformed the royal society. Um Thomas Huxley became the president of the Royal Society. Um and uh basically you know they they brought in uh and you know he his philosophy was that you know science would become a substitute for for Christianity for religion um you know that that science would become you know the people's religion. Um and you know he was a kind of like a a proponent of like spiritual eugenics. Um and uh he he he was deeply you know invested in uh like Malthusianism. He preached you know sexual austerity for for the working class based on you know Malthusian theories. um and he he was really like the one who brought um you know Darwin's theories to to the public and championed them. he was called Darwin's bulldog and you know is really the reason you know why we you know have uh that as as like the prevailing model and because of you know through his kind of takeover of the royal society um you know that became like the you know the the model uh they gave Darwin the Copley uh award uh the Copley medal um that's when they they started nature magazine I mean you know to to promote Yeah the Royal Society publiclish 's nature magazine um and to you know promote like Darwinism and of course like you know Charles Darwin's cousin was Francis Galton who you know it invented eugenics and so they of course like the the two you know theories go largely handinand and you you also had um you know the aspect of like um social Darwinism being uh like eugenics and you know saying that like certain um you know groups in societ certain racial groups, certain, you know, um, genetic groups of people with, you know, certain types of conditions were basically like a burden on, you know, the human race and that through um, you know, forced sterilization through um, you know, through which would be an example of negative eugenics.

[00:41:28]An example of positive eugenics would be like controlled breeding which is something that like the uh you know the like the Nazis were involved in with like the Labensborn facilities and stuff like this where they were like actively promoting um you know positive eugenics of like you know breeding between like people of you know preferred genetic stock to you know perpetuate the human race. So um you know basically this was um you know this is this is like what the you know the Huxley family you know was was really you know deeply you know invested in promoting um through like the scientific establishment was you know um social Darwinism eugenics you know Darwinian evolution blah blah um do Thomas Huxley you know was uh went on to become like a mentor to HG Wells who was one of founders of the Fabian Society um you know and along with a bunch of you know uh other eugenicists like George Bernard Shaw, Bert and Russell um you know the the the Fabian Society as as you you may or may not be aware um is you know a um you know so social engineering you know group uh in in England that's you know heavily tied in with like um these uh you know uh roads and milner you know roundt groups um you know the the Royal Institute of um uh international affairs R IA you know Chadam House um you know basically like the you know this social engineering you know component that is a counterpart to the Royal Society that is you know the the scientific you know um aspect of of you know these these groups. So um and of course HG Wells you know wrote like the war of the worlds and all this you know propaganda about uh um the the new world order the open conspiracy you know all these things you know but a lot of it had to do with alien invasion. So, you know, again, you know, this is something that, you know, I I'm I'm seeing a lot of, you know, crossover with the like UFO disclosure. Um, you know, alien stuff about aliens um in uh you know, regards to like psychedelics. You know, I think that this is something that is like a a a feature of, you know, psychedelics is that, you know, with these um compounds, they are an interface for, you know, certain types of, you know, entities like, you know, it's it's almost a ubiquitous um you know, experience for people that have you know, like high doses of DMT, of uh IASA, of other you know, tryptoines.

[00:44:27]where the two encounter entities, aliens, whatever. Um, so I think that, you know, now that we're having, you know, all of this, uh, UFO disclosure at the same time as, you know, bringing these, you know, psychedelics into um, you know, like, you know, increased like legal status um that there's there's like a, you know, a crossover. So getting into um you know the the Royal Society again.

[00:44:56]Um this is you know this is like uh you know kind of a real incubator that of you know this the whole like LSD and Urgot research and uh predating uh uh Hoffman's discovery at Sandos in uh his synthesis in 38 the discovery in 43. And I think that this is really really interesting. And I think that you know that this goes u that there's a lot of evidence that this is a project that they were working on through the Royal Society long term um and that it was being disseminated through like uh um literature through pro you know propaganda through literature and um that there's some some really interesting um connections. So um where you know did all of this start? Um Arthur stole was um uh a a biochemist.

[00:45:52]He he is he is Swiss and he he was um uh Albert Hoffman's like mentor and and director at Sandos.

[00:46:03]Um he was a graduate of Ingletock uh of it's a university of of Munich now but it was Ingletock University which is actually where Adam Weisshalt was on faculty when he um founded the Bavarian Illuminati in 1776.

[00:46:20]>> Interesting man.

[00:46:20]>> Very very interesting because there because because there are there are actually other people involved in this you know that that were um graduates and faculty members at English. Um but basically Arthur stole performed the first isolation of urgot alkaloids. Um he you know was the first person to create erotamine which is like you know necessary or uh you know in in like the most common LSD synthesis is you know erotamine is your precursor oramine tartrate. And um so he when he was doing this this um research Arthur stole uh you know he he got um through Sandos they they financed the production on a mass scale of urgot fungus. And for those who don't know urgot fungus is um it's a it's a blight on on wheat or rye. So what it is is it's actually like a a fungus that that produces a mushroom fruing body that infects wheat, rye, certain types of grasses, but you know um basically like um you know mo mostly like edible grains and that's why you have um you know these uh reports going back through antiquity of like St. Anony's fire of you know people who have consumed erot erotized uh you know uh grains and have had like these uh you know psychotic episodes whatever documented um you know they they they said that you know a lot of the um like >> you know witchcraft trials like in Salem and stuff you know were predicated on you know episodes of erotism you know of you people like consuming erotized you know uh uh grains whether intentionally or unintentionally and having these effects. Um so so what's really interesting is is that like Sandos actually so they were involved um going back to the 1920s um in a region of Switzerland called Emmenal which is actually where like Swiss cheese comes from. Eml >> um >> just whatever. uh but um they were they were producing urgot on a mass scale. So they were like uh giving farmers they were they're subsidizing their crops and giving them you know money to in deliberately infect their their grain and rye crops with with urgot fungus.

[00:49:02]>> Oh okay.

[00:49:03]>> And so and of course um Arthur stole was a fellow of the Royal Society. Um and at the at the at the time um Sandos became part it was part of like so all of these chemical companies in in Europe uh were like forming these cartels. They called them cartels. Um, and so there were there were like four companies in Switzerland that that formed is called the Basil Cartel and it was Sandos, uh, Gage, SBA, uh, I don't know there there a couple more um, but they joined in a uh, they called the Quadripel with IG Farbin, which was the the German cartel um, the chemical cartel. Um and um this is going back to 1929.

[00:50:01]Um like between 1929 and 1932, this quadripartide cartel was formed between the Basil cartel in Switzerland, Farbin and in Germany and certain like British and French chemical corporations. Um and it was um basically like in the quadripartite cartel was in existence until 1939.

[00:50:22]um which is you know when uh you know like uh you know before World War II started um you know and and these other company these other companies in the cartel like disassociated themselves from IG Farbin because of you know IG Farbin was essentially like the industrial backbone of the the Nazi party.

[00:50:41]>> Okay. And you know and they were they were using you know like these um you know concentration camps for you know forced labor to create their products.

[00:50:50]They were using, you know, they were developing these nerve gas agents. They were actually developing them as pesticides originally. Um, >> have you have you Sorry to interrupt.

[00:51:02]Have you just because we're talking about IGFin and drugs and stuff? Have you ever read the book I forget the author's name, but have you read the book uh Blitzed?

[00:51:12]>> Actually, I haven't, but I but I am aware of it and and I think that there's definitely some stuff that's in that book that you >> highly recommend that. Yeah.

[00:51:19]>> Yeah. Yeah. Um, do you have do you have that? Can you show me the the cover of it? I I think I know which one you're talking about. Anyways, um, >> yeah, I'll find it. Yeah. Anyway, point point being that like IG Farbin um was involved directly with Sandos and you know so you had this like cross-pollination between you know like what became um you know the the the Nazis uh you know industrial cartel um and you know the the the um organization in Basil that was doing all of this work to develop the the Urgot um you know based drugs. You know, of course, Arthur stole being a member of the Royal Society and um you know, another very like prominent biochemist was Max Perutes. Um Max Perutes, you know, was um you know, he he uh he you know, was into like crystalallography and um Okay.

[00:52:22]All right. That's not the one I was thinking of, but I but I but I h I do I am aware of this and I know this guy Norman Oler. Um okay so yeah um so basically uh you know Max Peruts what's interesting about him uh you know he was a fellow of the Royal Society. He was like the um you know doctoral adviser to Francis Crick um who ultimately like uh discovered the double helix you know nature of DNA while on a LSD trip in the 1950s.

[00:52:55]>> Yeah. Um and and so yeah well so Perut's first cousin was a guy named Leo Perutes. Leo Perutes um wrote a book in 1933 that this is an interesting one. It's it's a really short novel and you know if you're interested it's it's a good it's a pretty good read. Um he wrote this book in 1933 um called St. uh St. Peter's Snow. And the book is about a German noble baron um outside of Berlin who recruits chemists to uh come to his like estate uh you know in the country and um take like urgot like you know I mean it it's not like specifically called urgot fungus in the book but you know they call it St. Peter Snow. Um, but it's it's a you know it's a it's a it's a wheat it's a wheat blight. Um, and to use it to create this like yeah this book this psychotropic you know like drug this is you know fully 10 years before LSD was disco you know of it was five years before it was synthesized 10 years before it was discovered by Albert Hoffman. And just by some crazy coincidence, this guy wrote this whole book about how, you know, this uh German noble was using, you know, um scientists to develop this drug so that he could give it to his, you know, um people to, you know, the people that lived, you know, and and worked on his lands to like engender their loyalty by like brainwashing them. Um ultimately it had like the opposite effect and they rebelled. But you know this is kind of this you know uh dual nature of what these you know psychedelics do. Do they you know engender loyalty and compliance or do they enjoy you know uprising or or you know both.

[00:54:56]Um and so uh yeah so so Max Perutes you know Leo Perut's uh first cousin was a fellow of the Royal Society with Arthur stole who was you know doing all the urgot research at Sandos at the same time that Leo Perutes is writing this book. So it's just like you know it it can't it that can't be a coincidence.

[00:55:22]You know the the implica the implication here is that you know this was something that was like circulating in the royal society. They were like actively working to develop these drug you know this was you know and um they were using like propaganda to you know like put these notions into like the public consciousness at the same time you know the or the year before um uh St. Peter Snow was released. Uh um Brave New World was published. And of course also Aldis Huxley's brother uh you know Julian Huxley was a fellow of the Royal Society. Their grandfather was the president of the Royal Society you know.

[00:56:04]Um so you know of course in brave new world it's called soma and you know it has you know these various properties of like keeping people you know um you know in a uh you know psychological you know p prison without bars uh you know they you know they're content they're you know uh able to be you know controlled there's also a religious component like the s is like their religion and they engage age in orgies.

[00:56:35]That's this Dianic and back and now that we were talking about before. At the same time, the book is about eugenic engineering, right? and using um you know like creating like uh you know uh a hierarchy of uh human beings um you know based on like predetermined genetic outcomes you know and um so you really have you know all of these you know subjects you know contained in in Brave New World in um uh St. Peter Snow uh coming out in 1932 and 1933 like a decade before Bicycle Day. Um you know you have the you know the familial connections between you know the the people that are writing these um you know books and the Royal Society. And so I think it you know it stands to reason and you know the Royal Society being also you know this uh you know incubator of all of the like you know genetic uh uh eugenic um you know research and and theories becoming like mainstreamed um you know you know hundred years before that. So um you have Arthur Stole's son though was Warner Stole and he was a psychiatrist and um so he and he was the first person to publish uh you know uh scientific uh literature about um LSD uh you know with Albert Hoffman and he actually like gives um Wernern stole gives uh LSD to um um for goodness sake uh um Richard [ __ ] who is a Nazi biochemist um who was he was getting uh erotamine and LSD from Sandos uh uh via Wernner stole as early as 1943 like literally the year that you know uh Alber Hoffman made his discovery on bicycle day. Um it went directly, >> it went directly to the Nazis. Um they were, you know, they were the first to get their hands on it. Um we know that um even before this that um you know uh a a um German um um psychiatrist of like very renowned uh psychiatrist who also was um a graduate and professor of uh at English university you know university of Munich University you know um like uh Arthur stole I don't know if he and Arthur Stole were there at the same time. I don't doubt that they were. Um, his name is Email Craplin. Um, and he was heavy into uh, eugenics and social Darwinism from a psych uh, psychiatric psychological perspective. And a lot of like um his um research and you know his his writings really influenced like Hitler and you know Himmler and you know the the Nazis um in developing like their you know theories on on race and eugenics that came from email cran um and he was the first person to use uh measculine in psychotherapy.

[01:00:11]So like this is Yeah. So th you know this is like you know this kind of like lineage. Yeah. Using you know again like you know people using this um you know these psychedelic drugs in combination with uh you know psychiatry but you know also you know people that have these like very specific eugenic ideiations and and leanings that are using these things. Now, um, Craplin was getting, uh, I believe the the measculine from for his studies from Park Davis, I I believe, um, because they were the first to actually extract measculine from peyote is a a pharmaceutical company in Detroit, uh, in the United States. And going back to 1887, they actually began um like distributing via the mail uh dried peyote buttons. And I'm not sure exactly like the origin of of why they were you know um you know selling peyote through the mail, but um you know they they got involved in um extracting masculine and making like the first actual like um you know like like specific you know masculine concoctions available. Um and they this this company went on to you know like in the the 50s to develop PCP uh and also ketamine which is actually derived from um PCP and Park Davis is currently owned by Fizer. Just saying um yes right um >> quick question. Yeah.

[01:01:54]>> Uh >> I don't think I know the answer to this.

[01:01:58]What is like what is a peyote button and how is it taken? Is it like >> a Yeah.

[01:02:04]>> So peyote is a loafora williamsy eyei.

[01:02:09]It's a it's a loaf ofora cacti c cactus.

[01:02:13]Um it's it's native to like you know the southwestern you know deserts um in the United States and Mexico like in Texas, Arizona, New Mexico um like northern Mexico um and uh you know it's a a heavy heavily like masculine bearing cactus but there are a lot of other cacti that are measculine bearing um that are uh tricoseris uh is the the genus. Um, so those are like your San Pedro cacti, right?

[01:02:47]>> Yeah.

[01:02:48]>> Um, so you can you can extract measculine um pure measculine from peyote. You can also extract it from tricus uh tricoseris from San Pedro. Um, and basically um you had um uh so okay. All right. So then this is really interesting too. Did did that did that kind of answer the question. Does that make sense?

[01:03:16]>> Yeah, man. For sure. Yeah. Oh, sorry.

[01:03:18]Yes. Um, but uh how do you uh I don't think you answered the second part. How is it um taken? Is it ingested like is it >> Yeah.

[01:03:28]>> is it processed into some a pill or like a powder or a >> um >> liquid? So, traditionally um like in native cultures, you know, they like you would actually eat the the buttons. Um although it can also be prepared into like a decoction. It can be like, you know, turned into like a a excuse me, like a liquid preparation. Um and >> so what do you mean by a button? Is that like something that grows off? So the so so the so the cactus is like a round little like >> stumpy >> cactus like this. And when you when it dries up it, you know, results in like a little disc, like a little flat disc is what the actual, you know, cactus reduces to when it's dry. And and so it's a button.

[01:04:19]>> Um and that's that's that's what you refer to as a you know, a peyote button.

[01:04:23]Um so um Alistister Crowley um in uh 1907 actually got measculine directly from Park Davis. And so this is you know Crowley is doing um you know all these you know rituals um you know of course he's also you know involved in um you know like weird things um that you know really relate to like eugenic engineering you know doing these like you know writing about doing these like moonchild rituals um you know basically that you know that there are like you know spirits that influence our um you know like evolution on a genetic basis um you know as regards to like you know creating a race of super beings. So they're like aliens, you know, and there these aliens are spirits are, you know, fulfilling these um, you know, like eugenic aspirations to create like human super beings. Like this is what Alistister Crowley was into, of course.

[01:05:24]And you know he was channeling um you know all of these entities things like Iwas Kuranszan lamb who you know the you know famously you know looks just like our you know depictions of gray aliens. So again you know we're we're talking about this like convergence of you know these like you know psychedelic drugs rituals and aliens. Um so uh Crowley was in um Berlin in the 30s. He spent like years in Berlin. Uh he was you know absolutely like in personal contact with uh Hitler and Himmler and a lot of the you know like the higherups in the the Nazi party. um you know we don't you know we can only speculate on what he was advising them on but Aldis Huxley actually had a like personal meeting with um uh Alistister Crowley in Berlin in 1930 like a year before yeah a year before he published Brave or he wrote Brave New World two years before it was published.

[01:06:31]So, you know what? You know, we can only speculate, but you know, what was um you know, Crowley telling, you know, Huxley about measculine? You know, I mean, allegedly, you know, Huxley didn't try measculine personally until years later when he wrote Doors of Perception. But, um, you know, what what did he know? you know, like had he, you know, consumed the, you know, measculine, had he consumed, you know, Urgot, uh, you know, uh, preparations? I mean, you know, who knows? He he wrote Brave New World, like I said, you know, it it's just so like on the nose with with so many of these other things. um his affiliations to the Royal Society and connections that you know that would connect him to Arthur Stole and Sandos um Alistister Crowley and Park Davis like um you know it's it's really you know crazy um so then you know as regards like measculine um you know we know for a fact too um and you know to you know who knows to what degree like Crowley actually was involved with this but that they were using you know measculine specifically um you know in experiments um on um on prisoners in DHA in um Awitz. Uh Kurt Plotner was um you know running these experiments um he at DHA and he was an SS officer who was initiated by uh Hinrich Himmler. Um and he actually you know um was affiliated with Leipzig University which is where uh um Email Craplin you know again um the the first person to administer measculine you know you know uh for for psychotherapy um you know that that that was his alma mater also. So, you know, there there seemed to be these like institutional connections, you know, between these guys and and using this stuff, of course, like um you know, in Dao and and Awitz and they were, you know, specifically using these to, you know, to torture people, to use them like as truth serums, as mind control, you know, uh you know, conduits for mind control, things like this. Um so uh you know you know like legitimate you know uh you know tortured um implements but we know we know that um you know there was uh let's see you know now we're kind of getting into probably a lot of stuff that's like covered in that um Blitz book I'm guessing you know if any of this sounds familiar.

[01:09:08]>> Okay. Um but you have you know you have like um you know um General Charles Luke's um you know he he goes over to Switzerland um he meets with Richard [ __ ] um who is the the um you know the Nazi biochemist um who is the chemical warfare specialist for IG Farbin. He meets with him and Wernernner Stole um Arthur Stole's son in Switzerland in 1948 and gets LSD and brings and brings it back to the United States and like that's you know it starts with like um this project charter but you know eventually it like morphs into project artichoke and MK Ultra and so you know now we're getting into you know um after the war of course um and you had uh you know you also had um so for for example Allan Dulles um who was you know he and um his brother John Foster Dulles were um you know partners at S Sullivan and Cromwell a law firm who um actually you know worked um on behalf of IG Farbin was one of their clients and um then you know Alan Dulles was um actually operating you know for the OSS in Switzerland um you know at the same time that Sandos was was you know doing all of this work on LSD um and you know with actually like in partnership with IG Farbin um you know so obviously like when Allan Dulles becomes head of the CIA in the 50s you know he's integral in you know bringing a lot of these you know um drugs into the you know MK Ultra projects and to like implementing them um you know and of First, we're talking about um you know, a widespread program.

[01:11:08]I I I don't think I have to like explain what MK Ultra is. Um you know, I think most people watching this are familiar to to some degree, right? Um but, you know, we're you know, we're talking about like a a broad range of, you know, mind control um experiments that not limited to psychedelics, but like heavily involved psychedelics. And um you know, one of um you know, one of one of the um you know, one of eventually they actually got cut the CIA got cut off by um uh Sandos. They said, you know, you're buying too much of this. You know, they they were trying to essentially buy like their entire supply and they said, you know, we we don't feel comfortable selling all of this to you. Um, and eventually they um contracted with Eli Liy um who you know to produce um Oh, thanks Adam.

[01:12:06]Appreciate you, bro. Um they contracted with Eli Liy uh you know it was a major pharmaceutical you know company in Indianapolis to begin producing LSD domestically for the CIA. Um and there was actually uh uh Ed Kornfield uh was the the head chemist on this project and um Eli Lily actually published uh the formula for LSD. Uh and that is how Alley Stanley got the like the formula um at at Berkeley. It was you know it was it was like available to him at the University of California. Um what's interesting is uh Ed Kornfield his um he mentored David Nichols. Um David Nichols is like big um uh you know in like the modern you know psyched as as a chemist in the modern you know psychedelic scene. He's um you know big you know fellow of the Heft Institute which is um >> actually based in Santa Fe really close to Santa Fe Institute Zoro Ranch um you know like a you know a lot Heft is is named for for the person who discovered measculine he was another German scientist back in the 1800s but um anyways yeah David Nichols um he's synthesized MDMA for like for maps for their clinical studies um DMT for Rick Strathman's um you know spirit molecule studies and the spirit molecule studies are interesting uh I mean that he he they weren't called spirit molecule studies but they were you know was re research on DMT um that Rick Straman performed in the 1980s and they were the first like sanctioned government sanctioned um uh uh psychedelic studies since like the 1950s60s something like that. Um, and this was in the 1980s, uh, uh, at the University of New Mexico. And, um, it was actually underwritten, like he was funded to do his DMT research by the Scottish Wright Foundation for, uh, like schizophrenic studies. So, this is this is really weird. Like, why would, you know, the the Freemasons be funding Rick Straman's DMT research? uh you know that's this you know these are these are questions that that we want to ask you know it's it's it's really wild stuff but um you know like as regards MDMA you know um you know MDMMA was created in 1912 um in Germany of course uh you know at Merc you know Merc being like a you know a pharmaceutical chemical company that goes back to like the 1600s it's you know you know one of the oldest uh or the oldest pharmaceutical company in the world. Um, and um, they obviously weren't part of the the IG Farbin cartel, but definitely were involved with, you know, the the Nazi party in a, you know, direct way. Um, they're, you know, one of the biggest pharmaceutical companies in the world still. Um, and they published their, you know, um, formula for MDMA and it was, um, synthesized in, um, the 60s. uh by Alexander Schulgan and that's like when it became popularized.

[01:15:26]So, you know, let's let's kind of like talk about him because, you know, uh I I think we touched on him in the first episode that you and I did last fall, you know, when we were talking about the Grateful Dead and Tavistock and stuff, but um Alexander Schulgan and and sorry, it's it's it's, you know, there's a lot of jumping around in this, but it they all all these people relate and and it's all, you know, pretty integrated, but um >> and and sorry, I I I definitely you mentioned our first episode together. Uh I forget the number, but uh highly recommend people go and check that out because you did a really good job in there and you dropped a lot of good stuff and u yeah a lot of it connects >> relate to this. Yeah. And and and so that's that's why it's cool to be able to like do do this now and you know kind of um expand on it. Um and so so basically >> you know um Alexander Schulgan is >> in many ways like the key figure when it comes to like you know psychedelic drugs and you know research um and like the actual like promulgation of these drugs and like the invention of them because he has invented almost all of the psychedelic drugs that exist. you know, with the exception of, you know, things like, you know, measculine, LSD, MDMA, you know, things things that either like existed, you know, prior to the 1950s, um, or um, you know, things that are like compounds that are found immediately in nature. I mean, he invented literally, you know, every tryptoine, every phenylthamine that, you know, pretty much exists, right? And, um, he Yeah. uh and he has published the books you know uh pcal and tcal which are phenylthylamines I have known and loved and tryptoamines I have known and loved. So you know those are the two basic categories of psychedelic drugs.

[01:17:23]Um you know the phenyl ethylamines being you know um kind of the the class of drugs that would include um MDMA and measculine and MDA things that are you know similar to more similar to like amphetamine you know kind of like compounds um and tryptoamine. And so that also includes like he created like all the 2C compounds. So, you know, 2C I, 2CB, you know, all of these things.

[01:17:50]Um, you know, there's there's a big series of them. He created all of them.

[01:17:54]Um, and, uh, the tryptoamines are going to be like, um, lysurgic acid, you know, like LSD, but like LSA, any any of those compounds. Psilocybin, psyllicin, dimethylryptamine, DMT, five DMT, you know, any of those things, right? Um so so those those are all like um you know tryptoamines and phenylthylamines. So those are those are like your two you know basic categories.

[01:18:24]Everything you know that that pretty much is like a a what would be categorized as a psychedelic falls into one of those categories. And um you know like I said he you know he published these these books. it's something that you can actually buy if you wanted to um actually like produce any of these things like you know and and Alexander Schulan had a DEA license for years and he's been a consultant to the he's he he died in 2014 but he's been a you know consultant directly to the DEA on like every matter relating to psychedelics you know for decades um and uh he actually got his DEA license revoked in I think 1993 or 1994 um because uh they you know at all of these like illicit drug laboratories they found his books and they were like all right dude it's you know it's a bad look for us.

[01:19:18]>> Oh I mean like every every single bust everybody was using you know like pcal and tecal as like a cookbook and you know like I think that's the intent.

[01:19:28]Yeah. Well, you know, and and Alexander Schulgan, of course, like we talked about before, you know, this guy is like a member, you know, for like four decades a member of the Bohemian Club and going to the Bohemian Grove and like, you know, what are they doing out there? Like, oh, gee, you know, who knows? Um, you know, maybe maybe some some weird, you know, rituals with uh um yeah, with with these things and you know, burning effiges and you know, you know, baby sacrif we we know about this stuff. Um but so but but Schulen, it's it's very very interesting. Um you know, like his origins are with the DAO chemical company. He went to Harvard. So, you know, and of course, like Harvard is, you know, where, um, you know, a lot of, you know, a lot of these people, you know, Rick Doblin, who founded MAPS, uh, um, uh, Leonard Peard who was like maybe the most prolific acid chemist, um, you know, in history, um, up through like the year 2000 when he got busted. Um he um uh they both went to the Kennedy School of Government. Rick Doblin and Leonard Bard both went to the Kennedy School of Government uh at Harvard. Um of course they both were like very very close with Sasha Schulan and you know would go to these like Friday night dinners that the Schulgans would host at their property in Lafayette, California, like outside of Berkeley um in the East Bay uh every Friday night. And you know, all kinds of, you know, people would go to these, including Buzz Aldrin, which I think, you know, I can't remember if we talked about this or not um on a show, but I think we've talked about it privately, like why in the heck was Buzz Aldrin, the 33rd degree, you know, Scottish, right? Freemason, you know, astronaut, second, you know, man to allegedly walk on the moon, going and hanging out at Sasha Schulan's farm every Friday night with Rick Doblin and Leonard Peard and all these, you know, people um including John Weir Perry. Um you know, another guy that that you know, I'll try to try to get into before we run out of time. I know this is you know, maybe going a little bit long, but um >> No, man. Take your time. Do what you got to do, buddy. I'm >> I'm try I'm trying. Um so uh Sasha Schulan started out his career after Harvard um in the 50s with Dowo Chemical. Um you know DAO being like you know it was formerly like a totally private family-owned company. It has now um merged with Dupant which is you know another uh Yeah, exactly. Adam Adam nailed it with Bicard. We should do a uh an episode about that. It is totally crazy that whole story. Bquard and Todd Gordon Skinner. And um it was it was actually Todd Gordon Skinner's um girlfriend, this Crystal whatever her name is that made the Neural Soup videos that that snitched on them. But um it's it's a crazy crazy story. And actually what what's really interesting too is before before they were manufacturing the acid in um Kansas in the missile silo they he he had labs like in Mountain View like literally next door to uh like Google's headquarters campus like in Mountain View, California.

[01:22:49]That's where he was cooking the acid. Um yeah, literally like right next to Alpha, it's you know called Alphabet, right? Um and also the the um also the NASA as research center which is like one of the the biggest NASA facilities is right next to Google is right next to where Leonard Peard was cooking all the acid like it's you know >> why not right >> why not it it's over the top um but yeah so um so so you had um uh Schulen was working for DAO and you know it was a family company um the DAO family itself actually you know and I think that I mentioned this at some point but you know they were the biggest funders of the interlockan academy which is where um Jeffrey Epstein actually you know it's a it's a music performance academy for for kids in the summer who are like precocious musicians um and they you know get these like scholarships and and you know spend the whole summer there. Jeffrey Epstein was an Interlockan student um in the 60s and he actually became one of you know their like big benefactors and he had his own like cabin um at Interlock and that he that he had you know donated all this money for um and that was like as as you know the record goes according to to Gizlane Maxwell um that's where he and Epste and Maxwell recruited their first victim was at Interlockin in 1993. Um so the DAO family who own DAO Chemical um actually was you know like they're the biggest benefactor of Interlockin. So that's that's another interesting point.

[01:24:30]Um they've they've their name is on like every building there. They've given all the money um millions and millions and millions of dollars over the years. Um, and the DAO f the the DAO chemical company was actually involved in like a like a cartel of sorts with IG Farbin, you know, preWorld War II where they they were actually doing like it was a price fixing scheme um between uh Dowo Chemical um Alcoa who is like a you know a metals company um they're involved in mining and refining um gigant antic um and um and IGF-B and what they were doing was you know they the um Dowo Chemical had invented a process to get magnesium out of seawater and so they were able to be producing all of this magnesium you know um in a novel way for like very cheap and they they set the price for IG Farbin to be using for you know to produce you know goods and and weapons and equipment for uh the Nazis at like a significantly lower rate than what they were selling it for in the United States. Like they were undercutting their price here. They had a contract, you know, like um you know, a monopoly with with IG Farbin. they had a monopoly on on on magnesium and they they they had this deal with um IG Farbin where they were selling it to them way below what they were selling it in the United States and Britain for, you know, like it it's it was it was it was a pretty big deal. They got they got in they got in big trouble for that. Um and actually like this all came up like at the Nermberg trials and all this stuff and um yeah and of course you know um you had uh Otto Ambrose was you know the most prominent um chemist at uh um at IG Farbin. He was involved in um developing the sarin gas, tabin, cyclon be uh you know all of these things that you know were these you know deadly nerve agents that you know that they were able to you know kill a lot of people with and um they were developed originally as insecticides as pesticides, right? And they what they discovered was that these things are not only like so effective as insecticides at such low doses that like they that they're really like in they're they're really like you know too powerful to be used on insects because you know they were they were so deadly. Um but they were really good for killing larger organisms like humans. So anyways, um Otto Ambrose, he did get convicted at Nermberg and you know was served like eight years for you know these insane crimes against humanity. Um you know so but he was he was out of um you know jail like in the early 50s uh or uh you know in in the yeah in the early 50s and he came over to uh the United States on uh DAO's dime. He became like a long-term consultant for Dowo Chemical.

[01:27:46]Well, who was working for Dowo Chemical at that time? Alexander Schulen. It's a really interesting coincidence because what did Alexander Schulen make at DAO that became like, you know, his signature product. It was a an insectic pesticide called Zactrin. Um, and it was so successful, you know, and and who knows, you know, I mean, it's it's not like written, you know, that that's that that's what happened. But, you know, there's, you know, probably a pretty good chance that he was working with Otto Ambrose, you know, um, to to develop Zactron, I think. But then, you know, what's really interesting is as soon as he, you know, became very successful with DAO, um, you know, for for Zactran, they said, "All right, um, we're going to give you like basically, you know, this was a a huge hit. You you made us a lot of money and now we're going to let you do whatever you want and, you know, give you the money and give you the resources." And for some reason, what does Schulen say? He's like, "Oh, I want to, you know, start making psychedelic drugs."

[01:28:47]So he the first thing he Yeah. Yeah. you know um he goes from from the pesticides you know like you know like the the IGFarbon you know pesticides to the IGB psychedelic you know it's there's there is this continuity is is what I'm saying and um so he invents this thing called STP um which is like uh it's like an amphetaminbased phenyl ethylamine um but they would like pass it off as like acid back in the 60s and so like a lot of these like acid casualties like in the hate ashberry um and like at these big festivals like you know the brown acid at Woodstock and stuff it was STP and that's what and that's what people were like freaking out on really bad and it you know was really weaponized and you know you could say like oh you know there's some plausible deniability with Schulan like he didn't you know know how it was going to be used and that there were people like you know Alley Stanley and you know these you illicit chemists, you know, who underground chemists who were making it based off of his formulations and stuff like this. But, you know, like I tend to think that it was it was something that that he conceived of in a very deliberate way and that, you know, like knew, you know, what the the potential you effects were. um and that this was something that like you know was heavily weaponized and um you know so so a lot of you know a lot of the like the bad trips in the the 60s were were STP that people thought that they were taking LSD and and um you know and it wasn't. Um, so eventually, um, uh, you know, there's kind of like a little too much like publicity about this stuff for Dao and so Dal lets him go and then, you know, he's he's just like um making all of this stuff at his private laboratory in um, Lafayette in in California. Um, this the the the laboratories, you know, still exists.

[01:30:47]They're still using it for research. um the the the Schulgan Foundation. It's being run by this guy named Paul Daly who is um you know like a like a former um uh intelligence officer for the Church of Scientology. Really interesting. He ca I think we talked about this at one point but that you know he came up in the um Epstein files.

[01:31:12]Uh he he was in communication with Paul Crassner. um you know real real creepy you know figure who was like you know prominent in these psychedelic circles too. Um who was a you know close friend of Epstein and um Paul Daly was telling him that he was actually um you know being commissioned by the um Church of Scientology's intelligence office um to spy on him while he was you know working for Sasha Schulan. Very very crazy stuff. um he he he is now running the the the Shogun Foundation's like research arm. But um yeah, like he he was working, you know, as Sus Schulgan's um um uh like lab assistant while he was still alive. Yeah. For years. Um but also like a like a spy for Church of Scientology. So weird stuff. And that's and that's that's who's in charge of um you know the the the Schulen Foundation now. Um, you know, they are obviously like really heavily involved with um with maps and um you we should uh we should try to you know >> I'd like to hear more about maps.

[01:32:24]>> Okay. We Yeah.

[01:32:26]We don't have to do it today. If you don't if you're not ready, but >> we know we we got it. No, we got to get I know I know we're at like you know 90 minutes, but we got to get into it.

[01:32:34]>> We can go another half hour if you want.

[01:32:36]It's good.

[01:32:37]>> Cool, man. No, this is I mean, like I said, this is why it took me like so long to try to get ready for this episode because I'm like, man, how do I even like get all this information >> into, you know, into like one thing into like a way to present it coherently? And and I've already missed so much of like what's in my notes. But let's talk about maps. Um, MAPS was founded by a guy named Rick Doblin. Um, we mention him because he is a graduate also of the Kennedy School of Government at Harvard University, which is, you know, kind of like an epicenter of a lot of this stuff. And uh, and um, he his career like he he was um, he was from Dallas. Um he is um he in Dallas happens to be like uh after like Schulen went back and and synthesized MDMA um it kind of like became uh popularized you know and I don't know like through what exact you know channels um but in Dallas in like this club scene in Dallas in the early 80s um that's that's that's when you know like it be became termed ecstasy right in these dance clubs. Um it was legal at the time and um you know this is you know this is like the culture around um MDMA as like um you know like a party drug and you know like something that's you know like outside of the you know you know laboratory outside of you know clinical offices and stuff like this. Um it was it was in Dallas and uh Rick Doblin um you know became like a big distributor in in Dallas. This is this is his background. He's a he's a drug dealer. All right. And um you know I I couldn't say you know precisely you know where you know that he was getting it from but we you know we we can say for a fact that like the biggest like um you know MDMA trafficking networks like historically um you know are via like that you know are via like um laboratories in the Netherlands and like Israeli mafia um you know msad Israeli Mafia, whatever networks, um, you know, distributed worldwide, like they they have largely controlled the the MDMA trade. Um, so I think it's, you know, probably safe to say that this is, you know, um, you know, Rick Doblin is part of this this network. Um, you know, CIA, MSAD, you know, mafia, whatever. Um I you know I think it's I think it's pretty like safe to um uh you know to to reckon that that that that is like actually you know his his provenence. Um and um so they he formed uh um MAPS in I believe 1986 around the same time that um uh MDMA was scheduled uh you know by the uh DEA by the uh yeah by the DEA um and and became illegal and um you know so so they've like obviously been the the biggest proponents for um you know legalizing uh you know, psychedelics and and you know, psychedelic research and stuff and and most of the you know, the things that they have like um tailored their research to a lot of it is, you know, um for soldiers um for PTSD, you know, like it stands to reason like this is something that, you know, people are largely in support of, you know, it's like something that that you know, people can like u in the public can get people who are like, you know, otherwise adverse to, you know, to drugs, saying like, well, if it's something that we can use to like help soldiers and, you know, you know, veterans and stuff like this. Um, you know, it's it it it's a good it's a good it's a good cover for for, you know, what they want to do. So, um, you know, they've been they've been doing that that kind of stuff for a long time. They actually like have used kind of like going back to what we were talking about before to you know kind of like uh you know use this stuff um in a way to kind of like abate PTSD to like make people like uh inure to like the horrors of war or you know to to make like super soldiers. Um in one of the things that they you know have like done recently is a trial um with their Israeli branch um using MDMA um to uh uh you know like cure or treat PTSD um for 400 individual survivors of um uh October 7th um the um whatever you want to call it the attack.

[01:37:41]Um so they're they're using they're using MDMA um you know to to to treat those people and um they they recently so so they spun off like a um like a commercial you know like um four so maps is nonprofit although they have raised an insane amount of money some like you know $140 million you know over the years like a lot of money for for a nonprofit right um and a lot of it is you know, coming from some like really serious uh you know, like oligarch um you know, politically connected people, you know, um the Rockefellers have given a lot of money to maps. Um uh Richard Rockefeller, who was also who who was a doctor, he is the um the son of David Rockefeller. Um he uh was a har was a doctor who also a graduate of Harvard.

[01:38:39]Um and he was um a big supporter. He I think he was like a board member of MAPS and you know after he died like um his kids have have gotten involved with the the board at MAPS and they're giving tons of money. Um the Rockefeller Brothers Foundation is giving money to MAPS. Um Nicholas Pritsker, one of the Pritsker cousins, uh you know um who was he was the um I believe Nick Pritsker was actually the CEO of Hyatt at one point. um he he is one of the big supporters of maps. Elon Musk um has given them a lot of money. The the Mercer family foundation. So uh you know that's like Rebecca Mercer at the daughter of Robert Mercer who you know they were funding you know all of like the MAGA Breitbart Cambridge Analytica you know all all of that stuff right like they you know they they are heavily funding maps. you know, people that you like wouldn't necessarily think of as like these, you know, trippy, you know, psychedelic bros. Like, no, it's um, you know, it's these oligarch, you know, families. um you know it's these um you know uh billionaires, it's you know conservatives uh you know um lot lot of lot of really strange bed fellows in there that are putting up the money for for maps and um what's interesting is so so they spun off a for-profit division and um it's called LOS and they have been doing like MDMA therapy trials And um it actually they actually got rejected by the FDA in 2024. And this was I don't is this something that that you heard about Jordan? Because it was it's actually a pretty big deal.

[01:40:32]>> So I I think so.

[01:40:34]>> And um >> it does sound a little familiar.

[01:40:37]>> 2004 >> 2024 like it just it just happened.

[01:40:41]>> That's what I meant. 2024. My mistake.

[01:40:43]>> Yeah. It it happened really recently.

[01:40:44]they have been doing these um clinical trials for years and this was in like the phase two or phase three of the trials. Um and you know they were like right on the verge of getting like FDA approval for MDMA therapy that would have been actually like something that they could have then like brought to market through licose um and made insane amounts of money on. Right.

[01:41:10]And um and it was actually David Nichols, the guy that we were talking about before, who worked for Eli Liy um who's a professor at Purdue University in Indiana, um who was making, you know, he was synthesizing the MDMMA for for these trials. So again, you know, the closed network with all these, you know, chemists and these these um institutions and stuff, but what happened was and and they, you know, I I don't I don't know, you know, because this some of this stuff is classified and confidential, you know, the FDA records of like why, you know, they um why they denied them, you know, the the approval. But um we know for a fact because you know this came out that in the the clinical trials um this there there was some pretty serious abuse. Um and this was directly like related with people who um you know were um therapists that that were administering the therapy like as actual clinicians for the trials but that were like also you know pretty heavily involved in like the organization of maps from like a um you know on the nonprofit side of it, right? Um, and so it was um this this woman named Megan Buisan. She uh was a volunteer in the clinical trials um and she was um out in um um in BC um and doing doing clinical trials with this couple. It was Richard Yensen and Donna Dyer. They're a married couple and they were administering the the you know MDM the MDMA treatment protocol um you know for for the clinical trials for loose and um basically like they were you know she this this is a woman who had like severe um you know physical trauma, sexual trauma like you know horrible things that happened to her and they gave her uh MDMA in you know the context of this this clinical trial and she was she was like freaking out and like instead of you know providing like a normal supportive environment this this Yensen guy and there are videotapes of this like you know like this is this is in in the public record he he puts her on a bed in their house puts her on a bed and lays down on top of her and while she's like experiencing this like you recurrence of like a, you know, past sexual trauma. And she's like yelling at him like, "Get off. Get like get off of me." And he's like, "No." And he starts like holding her down like on a bed. Dude, this is all on, you know, film.

[01:43:59]>> That's traumatic, dude.

[01:44:01]>> Oh, it's it dude it is crazy. And um and so you know she she was like freaking out and he's just like restraining her like literally laying on top of her touching her you know and then in like all the other um like sessions that they had. He's like touching her and doing like weird stuff and um the wife is too like his wife is in on it >> and ultimately Yeah. Oh yeah. know, it's it's really really [ __ ] up. And um like ultimately after the trials finish, um she ends up like like going to live with them at their house and being kind of like their assistant and they're like taking advantage of her sexually and you know like she she's you know she she's like under mind control of these people. you know, they they had used um you know, these like MDMA sessions to like, you know, uh like retraumatize her and you know, basically turn her into like uh I don't know, you know, some kind of like, you know, program mind program kind of like sex slave. And um she she basically um you know, was like like living with them and in a in a um uh you know, relationship with them. She she eventually tried to like get away from them and this Dr. Yensen guy was like gaslighting her uh you know saying you know like telling her that she was like crazy and that you know he hadn't done anything wrong and all this stuff and you know eventually uh this she got away um and broke you know broke free of them and filed uh ethics complaints against MAPS and like this is probably like you know what led to the um you know the the FDA like you rejecting their um their trials for MDMA therapy.

[01:45:54]And this, you know, points to like, you know, the um pitfalls of this this kind of therapy is that it can be like really used to take advantage of people and not just like not just in the session but like on an ongoing basis and you know that you know people become like attached to these um therapists and uh you know that they're that they're being like mind [ __ ] and um they are um you know being being taken advantage of like physically, sexually and and monetarily too. you know, it's um this is this is just from like a personal note um you know cuz uh you know you you talk about like the uh you know abuses of these facilitators and you know like I was saying at the start you know I've I've been involved in you know a lot of different aspects of you know like you know psychedelics and um you know was involved you know with a with a group um here like in Oregon and California. Um, you know, that we're like, you know, part of this, you know, network that goes down to, you know, that is part of this Peruvian network, you know, with like one of the the biggest like, you know, most renowned Iawaska shamans in the world. Um, and but but you know, has like followers here in the United States and you know, people that he's trained and you know, they they have uh they do like ceremonies, you know, all over the West Coast and you know, um, these are people who you know they they've recruited a lot of like uh you know powerful people you know from what I understand like in in um in Los Angeles you know they they've had like Oprah and you know they've had like people like that you know in in these circles um I've you know been told that like Bill Gates you know has been in in their ceremonies stuff like this like people of like extreme means and you know and influence and The craziest thing that that I saw, you know, it just like in the the groups that that I had sat with, and this is years and years ago, you know, when when I personally like experienced this, it it really wigged me out and it's, you know, one of the things that that really turned me off to a lot of this stuff. Um but um they were doing you know these uh it was it was like a straight up like MLM like pyramid scheme and they you know it was like right after like ceremony um they were telling people and and you know they they they really targeted the women um and they they had said okay you know we're going we're going to have this like women's gifting circle and the way it works is um you you know, we have like the, you know, the all the women that are like involved in this group and if we invite you in, you've got to pay us $7,000, right? And we're going to like chop it up and split it up, you know, between us, but when you, you know, like bring in new people, when we bring in new people, you're going to get a share of their $7,000, like literally, you know, like like a pyramid Ponzi scheme. And um and and it was so like disturbing because you know they would present people with this like after like after ceremony you know when people were still like definitely under the effects of of the drugs and and and IA ceremony is not just like the drugs like uh you know the facilitators most of them are these insanely talented musicians right so they're it's it's a big performance you know and and there's songs and there's, you know, like instruments and like it is it's a big production. And when you get done with the ceremony and everybody's like together and it's this, you know, like it's this weird bonding thing, you know, people feel like they're part of a group. People feel, you know, you know, highly like engaged with the group, you know, spiritually engaged, whatever. And they're they're like approaching people and being like, "Oh, we want to invite you into our gifting circle." and all it's going to cost you is $7,000.

[01:50:08]You know that and that's $7,000 in like 2013 money.

[01:50:13]Um so I don't know I don't know what they ask for now. It's I'm sure it's more and this this is still going on and um they actually have like tax exempt status now. You know it's like a um you know >> who does these >> this this organization. Yeah. It's they they're like incorporated, you know, like as a as a church, you know, and so so I'm sure that, you know, it's like it's big big money. I don't I don't want to like say their name or anything like that, but you know, some people some people, you know, might be able to figure out who I'm talking about, but um it's uh it's it's not UDV and it's not Santa D, but um anyways, it's uh it's another organization and um yeah, like big big money and like um I saw people just being like, "Oh, thank you." You know, like being like, "Thank you for this opportunity." and just like opening up their pocketbooks and just, you know, I mean, it it was really crazy, man. And and so I think that, you know, my my point here being that, you know, that's not like, you know, necessarily like a physical or sexual abuse, but it's like certainly like like an abuse of trust and, you know, means of like mindontrolling people. And I, you know, I've seen it like in practice. I know I also saw like you know in the course of you know like being involved in these groups like you know definitely you know especially you know vulnerable women being like you know taken advantage of too you know by you know older men you know who are like oh you know I'll mentor you and I'll be your you know spiritual guide and this and that like you know I've seen a lot of this stuff. So, you know, I think that that this is um you know, like like a like a big aspect of of what you see in these, you know, communities, in these circles is like people are, you know, um taking advant taking advantage of other people. It's a you know, it's a it's a it's a way for, you know, people who are like, you know, have their minds open in certain ways and are, you know, like easy easy prey. So, uh you know, uh >> absolutely.

[01:52:16]>> Yeah. You know, I hate I hate to put it in those terms, but like that's what I see. It's it's that's >> Yeah, dude. That's the way it is. I mean, it's not a matter of, >> you know, not wanting and putting it away that doesn't sound It's just the way it is.

[01:52:31]>> Yeah.

[01:52:32]And you know to to you know like as a kind of like a final point is you know it's not just like you know other people that you're opening yourself up to but like that this this is potentially you know kind of going back to you know aliens, spirits, whatever entities like you're opening yourself up to something else that's out there, you know, and and maybe not in like lower doses like micro doing is you know it's different um but in like higher doses of just about every single one of these, you know, um at least, you know, tryptoamines for certain. Um and and measculine I would say as well. Maybe not, you know, so many of the other phenylthines, but most of the powerful tryptoamines. Um like you are going to en encounter some kind of like entity out there, you know, when when you like interface with high high doses, your heroic doses and stuff like that. Like it's it's it's a feature.

[01:53:30]It's it's a fact and like you know um I don't know what this stuff is and I don't know like where it exists or you know right you know the these are like aliens these are whatever dude I mean um it's it it's a real thing and you know people are like are subject to their influence and you know I mean people like come back from these experiences and they you know they've had these contacts and they they are like influenced by whatever, you know, they've made contact with um in in these like realms. And um I don't know, you know, like maybe they're benevolent, maybe they're not benevolent, and you know, like how does it relate with um you know, all of this disclosure and um you know, all of this new UFO stuff and AI and and all of these things. And we didn't even we didn't even scratch the surface of like you know, psychedelics and Silicon Valley and, you know, all of this stuff. And that's that's that's going to be, you know, a whole other thing because, you know, I didn't I didn't even didn't even get there. But like um yeah, that the AI >> and the psychedelics like are really going hand inand, you know, like what people are, you know, seeing in in one realm like you know what they you know what they can be like influenced by you know in in a you know in another realm.

[01:54:51]I mean um if if that makes sense you know like the convergence the convergence of like their you know psychedelic visions and you know something that they're interfacing with you know in a GPT or on social media and you know >> how you know potentially like um you know even how like they you know they could you know now can use um you know devices to like pick up on like biometrics and potentially be like reading you know some of your you know um your data of while you're having these experiences to be able to like feed you AI, you know, stuff to to influence you later.

[01:55:28]Uh, you know, these are things these are things that I think that we, you know, have to be really aware of. So, um, that's that's that's probably a good place to wrap up if you think if you if you got any other thoughts or, you know, questions or anything like that, you know?

[01:55:43]>> No, that's man, you kind of you nailed it, man. you nailed I mean as for my question I mean you [ __ ] nailed it all around but um and the chats the chat I mean I didn't want to interrupt but the chat throughout I tried to throw out some comments for you to see uh they're just loving it man um I appreciate your your hard work on this man you uh I don't think I have any questions right now um if I do I'll kind of jot them down and we can carry it over if we do a part two or something that way the audience can benefit from it as well.

[01:56:19]But um no man um like you said, it's just a lot of connections um a lot of names and um you know, lots of companies and um and you know, people hiding behind companies and names and brands and stuff.

[01:56:44]It's just wild, man. Um, I I commend you that you're able to break that stuff down and and keep that stuff together like other um just trying to think like um Ram William Ramseay's pretty good at that or Ian Carol Ryan Dawson and and yeah, it's it's a great skill to have because um it's good to it's one thing to know like the general history and background of stuff, but yeah, to be able to nail down names and stuff like that, it's uh dates and stuff, it's really helpful. So, >> you know, this is something that like man, you know, when you start kind of like seeing these threads that, you know, weave through um when when you when you start seeing these like threads that that weave through all this and all these people and all these organizations and you know, things that you know are kind of like hidden and you know, you can like draw your own conclusions if you know, if you look at it like analytically um and you know, see like well yeah, I mean there's there's a lot history that that you know you know we can we can read that but man there's so much more that like is pretty obvious you know when you know when you look at it and especially like you know I think you know one of the things that that I've like kind of clocked that I've never heard anybody else talk about is like these connections with the royal society and you know with Sandos and with the you know the Huxley's and the Perutes family and like you know literature and um you know science and and these these drugs u you know before like way before uh you know LSD was officially like discovered um you know that's that's just such a crazy story and and that you know that they wrote these books about it and you know that they were telling people like years before it happened. Um that's, you know, that's just like uh it it's it's totally mind-blowing and, you know, um so dude, I I I really appreciate and just, you know, I I I I did, you know, see, you know, a lot of um you know, cool, you know, comments and and you know, communications that you shared from the chat. I I didn't see the the whole chat or anything um in in my um view, but like man, I I really appreciate you guys following along and being engaged and it was great to have Adam in, you know, in the chat and, you know, definitely would like to, you know, maybe have Adam, you know, like get with us sometime. I know, you know, I know this is something that he's interested in. Um really appreciate Anna Nicole Wordsmith, you know, for dropping in. She's awesome, you know. Give her a follow. Shout out Anna. Um and um yeah, if anybody's interested like or has any like thoughts that they would like to share privately, you you like, you know, feel free to contact me on my Twitter ataccountable tome. You can DM me. Um I will, you know, get back. You know, this is stuff that I'm like really interested in. And if you know, anybody has any, you know, additional perspective or information or leads like you know, get with me. I I totally appreciate that.

[01:59:52]>> Absolutely, man. We love uh we both love hearing we love but yeah, we like to uh um we like the feedback and we like to kind of connect with other people and uh hear what other people have to say. I mean that's how you and me met and that's how we hooked up and and look where we are now. Um yeah, so that's cool. So yeah, much appreciated to the people in the audience and the uh the listeners and the people that that do reach out. Um yeah, we definitely have some very interesting ideas for some episodes for you and me to do as well as um some that we spoke to Adam about. So um yeah, that'll be really cool. Um let's just see for the future. We have uh Wednesday. I think our next show will probably be Wednesday. Uh, we'll have Ethan from Ethan Indigo from the Occult Rejects coming on.

[02:00:52]>> Um, we on June the second, we might have something booked before then, but I'm just trying to think of everything I can remember. June the 2nd, we have a gentleman coming on to talk about serial killer patterns uh through archetypes.

[02:01:10]Um, what else? Let's see.

[02:01:15]I think we can share it. I think it's pretty safe to say. Yeah, I think it's safe to say u the individual who is the was the mistress uh dominatrix for Brian Gnome, uh Christy Gnome's husband. Uh she says she's willing to come on and talk about that experience. So that should be very interesting. She seems she seems very down to earth um and fun. So I think it Yeah, could be a fun time. Interesting time. Um >> yeah.

[02:01:56]>> When when when is that? Do you did you have >> I was thinking maybe I I asked her about the first or second week of June. So I I think we'll we'll shoot for some somewhere around there. And then I think on the 6th uh I I have to connect with you first obviously, but uh JJ's ready to come back on the 6th. He let me know.

[02:02:19]>> So we could >> Yeah. Yeah. Let's let's let's do Yeah, let's do that.

[02:02:24]>> Cool. And um Yeah. And then the the rejects are coming back. Uh Austin Wade Pequard is uh going to come back. He said the first week of June, so I asked him about the third, fourth, or fifth.

[02:02:37]So, we'll see what he says. And, uh, yeah. Yeah. So, uh, a few other few other new people. And then some people I'd like to bring back. Uh, Bart Sabre says he's going to come back um in June or July, whatever we pick. Um, so I'd like to bring Adam back and I'd like to do another kind of NASA space moon episode um before we before we bring him back.

[02:03:04]And um yeah, I think we'll have some cool stuff for the summer. But yeah, that's kind of a little bit of a snapshot of um what's coming up. So >> uh anything else, my friend?

[02:03:16]>> Oh, no. you know, I didn't I didn't mention him at all, but I know that um me and Adam like off air had, you know, talked about it a little bit, but um Paul Stamus, we got to get him on so we can we can do, you know, on on air like, you know, like put you know, put him on blast a little.

[02:03:34]>> Yes, that is another one. Um I'm gonna I'm gonna uh I'd like to do that this summer to get him on. We Yeah, we we we gota we gota we gotta put that dude on blast and and um let's see if Adam will get with us because you know >> I think I think it'll blow his mind.

[02:03:53]Yeah. Yeah, >> for sure.

[02:03:56]>> That'd be cool.

[02:03:58]>> Yeah, sure. Cool, dude. Thanks. No, man.

[02:04:01]That was that was fun. I'm you know, shoot. Like I like I said, I only like I only got like through a fraction of the material. There's so much more. So, we we will like revisit this. We'll get it on. So, >> that's cool, man. I think I think that's good. I think the people uh will enjoy that. Um, everyone here seems to uh be down for that. So, um, for those here, yeah, look forward to that. And for those who listen to this after the fact, uh, yeah, keep your eyes peeled for that. We'll, uh, we'll definitely let you know when that's coming up. But yeah, in the meantime, uh if you can do what you can, uh to um help us get up to a thousand subscribers on YouTube and help us bump up our numbers on Rumble. Uh I was going to wait to I'm going to wait until the next show maybe to give away or to to no pun intended give away the um details.

[02:04:58]But we do have a brand new iPad and a a case for it to give away. Uh so I think I'm going to connect that to uh just getting some people to subscribe. So uh make sure you subscribe, get some people to subscribe because it will help you in the draw. Uh, and I will I'll I'll make sure any any any subscriptions that people that have are already subscribed or any people that you get subscribed uh from now uh just keep the receipts and uh I will uh grant that uh in in the in the raffle so to speak.

[02:05:36]Um yeah, I'll give more details on that next time, but uh yeah, we got a brand new iPad to give away. So, um, yeah, stay tuned on that. And, um, >> that that's a that's a big come up for somebody.

[02:05:50]>> Yeah. Yeah, man. I mean, [ __ ] >> I want to win.

[02:05:54]>> Yeah, man. There you go. Maybe you can win. No. Um, but yeah, other than that, uh, also make sure to check out the Scott Horton Academy. Um, brother was on Joe Rogan the other day, so that's cool for him. Uh, go to scotttonacademy.comdulgence uh for a discount for you guys. Um, and I think that's it for now.

[02:06:16]>> We didn't we didn't even dish on Rogan, man. Geez, there's a lot we didn't >> Yeah, we [ __ ] I didn't even think of that. Well, we we that is something that we do want to get into >> big time.

[02:06:30]>> I think Adam's Adam's interested in that, too.

[02:06:34]>> And uh because I think there's a lot to talk about there with Rogan. So, that's something else we can chew on. But, um, yeah, in the meantime, um, yeah, do do what you Yeah, go make sure you're subscribed. Uh, Rumble YouTube, if you are, um, then get someone else subscribed. And, uh, yeah, like I said, we'll we'll share some details about the uh um the giveaway next time. And um, yeah, sending you guys uh, the best. It was uh, this was fun, man. So, um I I wish we had I was going to say we got to get like some sound effects because I wish we had like a nice give you a nice round of applause because that was that was awesome.

[02:07:13]>> You know, you know what I just thought of that funny you know wish everybody like a happy Memorial Day but like Memorial Day we do the show where it's like you know everything is about like PTSD and veterans and you know like you war war is bad, war is sad, give them the drugs.

[02:07:30]Give them the drugs.

[02:07:32]>> Yeah. True to that, man. I forgot it was Memorial Day. So, yeah. Happy happy Memorial Day, everyone.

[02:07:40]>> And and I hope everyone enjoyed the enhanced games. So, you know.

[02:07:46]>> So, >> there you go, dude. That's your That's your boy Christian Angermmer. Buy buy some a buy some at life sciences stock, I guess. I don't know.

[02:07:55]>> Love it, man. Love it. Well, yeah, props again, brother. So, um thank you for that. Um, stay tuned for a part two and um, yeah, all the best to you guys.

[02:08:05]We'll uh, we'll see you guys uh, we'll see you guys on Wednesday. Peace and love.