What Peter Thiel Actually Believes About Democracy — And It Should Alarm Everyone

[00:00:00]Oh [ __ ] I don't remember that at all, but god damn, you're cooking. In his 2014 book Zero to One, Peter Thiel declared monarchy as the best form of government. I read that book twice.

[00:00:11]>> His ideas he argued that capitalism and democracy is diverge. A shifty trace to the expansion of voting rights.

[00:00:18]>> Leninist.

[00:00:20]And the author's like, wait, wait, wait.

[00:00:22]Like like Lenin, like the Bolshevik?

[00:00:24]You're a conservative influence, like what the [ __ ] That that doesn't make any sense. He goes, no, no, no. Not the actual solutions to the policy is like a Bolshevik, but I'm a Leninist in the sense that he burned it down.

[00:00:34]>> Right.

[00:00:35]>> I want to burn it all down. And that's all he said. And the author was just like, well, that's that seems and to me I remember clocking that going That's interesting.

[00:00:45]>> you get it. So that's why he would want a January 6th. That's why he'd be in the war room for that. Because it's just tear it down. And what would be if you're not left or right, if you just tear it down, who's more likely to do more tearing it down? You know, Biden, Kamala or Trump?

[00:01:07]Of course Trump. There's more just it's more incendiary.

[00:01:12]>> with that and I'll tell you why. I think it's both. I I I make no distinction.

[00:01:16]Biden [clears throat] Harris is a passive destruction. Donald Trump has more aggressive destruction. Meaning like he'll tell you that he wants to do this and rip it down. Whereas Biden Harris will tell you there's no such thing as agenda in some [ __ ] memo that they put out.

[00:01:29]>> Right.

[00:01:30]>> think both >> not tear they're but they're they're Biden and Harris are institutionalists though. They're trying to prop up the system.

[00:01:38]>> Right. And they're propping up systems that are destroying things. Of course.

[00:01:42]>> the the if you're going to tear it down, you're not going to go to the people who are building. Biden and Harris are more like um >> But you don't think institutions have torn down society in many ways by getting out of control.

[00:01:54]>> and all those things. Yeah. it's World Bank was colonialism by another tool. It's like, "Okay, instead of going to those places with armies and enslaving your people, you're going to borrow money from us.

[00:02:10]And you're never going to be able to pay it back, so you're going to open your markets to us and we're going to put our big aggro there and do all that." Right.

[00:02:17]It was the same it's the same stuff.

[00:02:21]The [snorts] only difference I would argue is that at least in government constitutions, there are ways of recalling things.

[00:02:31]There are ways for people to intervene, to vote in ones who are not going to do those things. Whereas, if you really do have a monarchy like Musk or Thiel want, >> They want that.

[00:02:45]>> Yeah, yeah.

[00:02:46]>> They want a monarchy.

[00:02:47]>> Monarchy. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:02:48]>> I mean, I'm the president of the Peter Thiel hate club, but like he wants a monarchy? I don't know that one.

[00:02:52]>> Yeah, yeah.

[00:02:54]>> Can we pull that up? Thiel likes monarchy?

[00:02:56]>> Yeah, yeah. That's what they That was That was what what what Nick Land and and who's the other one that they like?

[00:03:02]Um Curtis Yarvin. That's what they're all about.

[00:03:05]>> See how that makes no sense though with with How do I want to say this?

[00:03:11]Like {quote} {unquote} libertarian conservative politics that Peter Thiel claims to love if that is the case that he wants a monarchy.

[00:03:19]>> you think >> [snorts] >> we are in a might makes right universe.

[00:03:24]>> Might makes right.

[00:03:25]>> Whoever's the strongest wins. We're all just fighting all the time. We have these laws, but the laws aren't real anyway because the people who control the laws are just the strongest people with the biggest guns.

[00:03:34]>> Yeah.

[00:03:35]>> So, if that's what's happening anyway, then just have the most mightiest person be in charge and get over all this [ __ ] democracy, voting, you know, we're just going through the motions. Democracy is just there to convince people that they're living in something other than might makes right when they're not. And they would say the happiest >> Oh, [ __ ] I don't remember that at all, but god damn, you're cooking. In his 2014 book Zero to One, Peter Thiel declared monarchy as the best form of government. I read that book twice.

[00:04:09]>> His idea He argued that capitalism and democracy has diverged. A shifty trace to the expansion of voting rights. His ideal society, wealth-based and male-dominated. Yeah.

[00:04:21]>> Oh, that's fascinating.

[00:04:23]>> you go, the libertarian. He embodies, at times to a cartoonish degree, the contradictions of the libertarian movement. You're perfect, you see? See, you're you're a good study there. A fierce champion of entrepreneurial freedom, he also praises monopolies, right?

[00:04:37]>> Wow.

[00:04:38]>> right. Yeah, the monopolies thing, that's like I remember when I just looked at Peter Thiel like as a businessman and didn't know all the [ __ ] he did and everything, and I read Zero to One, I'm like, "Wow, this guy's a genius." Not to say I I agreed with all of it, but I'm like, "Whoa, the way you can see why he was so successful." Which I don't think you should ever underestimate your enemy. He's a brilliant guy. But like, you know, then you see what like some of it obviously came out in that book, and I'm forgetting it, but then you see like the actions taken in what >> [snorts] >> what he might want, and you're like, "This isn't This is a world that leaves so many people behind." And you know, maybe he really is Malthusian, and he's like, "You know what?

[00:05:13][ __ ] it. A lot of people are going to die cuz they need to."

[00:05:16]>> Right. He is Malthusian. He does believe in the limits to growth.

[00:05:21]Actually, the right-wing extremist, the the like the Koch brothers and Thiel and Musk and those guys, they believe more in the limits to growth than Club of Rome does. The difference is the right-wing guys like those guys believe that because of the limits to growth, there's not enough for everybody. So, we've got to let those millions and billions die.

[00:05:45]>> Why does Musk argue that people need to have kids way more than He He He is at the forefront of that movement. And like we do have a birth rate problem in America now, for sure.

[00:05:56]>> Depends if you say it's a a problem.

[00:06:01]It's a problem Well, partly it's economic expansion. They want more customers. Although now they're realizing Sam [snorts] Altman's realizing future of customers are not human. Their future customers are going to be AIs.

[00:06:12]>> How does an AI pay you?

[00:06:14]>> In crypto.

[00:06:16]In other words, if Think about this way.

[00:06:18]You're a billionaire sitting in your house and you don't interact with people except your servants and your and your family, right? So you're up there on the hill.

[00:06:25]>> Yeah.

[00:06:26]>> You want there to be consumers. You want there to be people working.

[00:06:30]Cuz you want workers and you want consumers and you want them buying and selling and the money going up to you, the profit going up to you. Why do you care if those consumers and producers are human or AIs?

[00:06:42]>> I think it's just so foreign for me to even think about something that's not human exchanging currencies in any way.

[00:06:48]>> of an AI, right? An AI, in order to do its job, it needs [snorts] energy, it needs data, and it needs processing power.

[00:06:55]>> Oh, [ __ ] >> So, where is it going to get those? It will earn money doing its AI tasks and it will spend that money buying processing power and memory and data center storage and all that from these companies.

[00:07:10]So, they are your consumer at that point. And then they don't need the people anymore.

[00:07:15]>> D- Dave, can we Google how many current AI data centers does China have?

[00:07:22]And how many current AI data centers do we have?

[00:07:25]>> just built one that's as big as like a hundred of ours. You heard about they built this giant giant giant giant >> many square miles >> are square foot. Yeah.

[00:07:32]>> that's a good point.

[00:07:34]>> They built this really big one.

[00:07:35]>> Okay, so the United States leads the global AI infrastructure race with roughly 4,000 to 5,400 total data centers compared to China, which has approximately 350 to 450 publicly tracked facilities. While the US has a massive quantitative lead, China is rapidly scaling its infrastructure and state-led computing hubs to close the gap. And part of that may be exactly what you're saying, which is, you know, where we're building one that's 10 square miles, they're building one that's 110 square miles. Okay. Thank you guys for watching the episode. If you haven't already, please hit that subscribe button and smash that like button on the video. They're both a huge, huge help. And if you would like to follow me on Instagram and X, those links are in my description below.