The REAL Motive Behind Nichol Kessinger & The Watts Murders

Added: 2026-05-18

[00:00:04]What's up, guys? It's your boy Wokei back at another Chris Watts and of course Nicole Kessinger video. Now, this may be the actual time that Chris Watts and Nicole Kessinger actually met each other. That would be why Nicole Googled Shenan and Chris. um which I'm definitely very intrigued to watch and find out if this could be or could not be. Um definitely want to find out as well. Um and to prove to those that yeah, this is why she was googling Shannan Watts and Chris Watts that long or that early on before the murders took place is because this woman was stalking Shannan. This woman hunted for Chris.

[00:00:51]She saw it. She wanted it. She tried to take it. She destroyed a family and now she's like, "It's not me." So, let's get into this by True Crime Justice. This was posted five and a half years ago. So, it doesn't have any of that AI stuff. So before we get started, if you guys could do me a solid favor and subscribe to my YouTube channel by hitting that wiper icon that says subscribe, hit the bell icon next to it so when I do post videos like this one, you guys will get that little ring notification as Wii myself has posted that video. Then you guys can watch, comment, like, and share. And again, thank you so much for the love and support that you guys do show on my channel. I can't thank you guys enough.

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[00:01:54]>> Hello everyone. So, I wanted to do another video of Chris Watt's mistress Nicole Cassinger.

[00:01:59]>> It sounds like Gymna. Is it >> looking up Shenan Watts in 2017?

[00:02:06]>> If this is Jim Neva, also go over to her channel. It sounds a lot like her. But >> the previous video I've done on this, I will have at the end of this video. So, of course, we're all curious how Chris and his mistress originally met, especially since she looked up Shannan one year prior to their murders. So, first we have Chris Watts at the two separate CPR training sessions. There's a possibility Nicole could have met Chris then in 2015 or in 2017 even though her name was not on any the class attendance for either year. So, after the murders on October 4th, 2018, CBI Tammy Lee had interviewed Raymond.

[00:02:50]>> Wait, what was the beginning?

[00:02:54]Please find attached training document in answer to the original request from Mrs. Lee for training records on 3415 and blank blank blank are the dates. SRP environmental standard procedures is conducted two trainings per day. Mr. Watts attended the morning session and the afternoon session on table of contents for two classes are also attached.

[00:03:23]2010 version used for the So are they saying that's why because they met at a CPR class >> for either. So after the murders on October 4th, 2018, CBI Tammy Lee had interviewed Raymond Gibson who is the CPR first aid instructor who taught Chris Watts in 2017. Okay.

[00:03:46]>> So at the bottom I have everything that's from the discovery in 2017. also stating what Gibson had explained. And then in October of 2017, which is 1 month after this original surge in September 1st, 2017, this is from Shannan Watts's doctor's office. And the person they were speaking to, Chenille, advised me that Watts was also a patient of Dr. Scott Darude on the general practice side of the clinic, but had not been seen by him since October 2017.

[00:04:19]Okay, >> so just for an example, October 2017, >> Shannan was not pregnant yet at that point. No, >> but let's just say she had a gynecologist appointment on one of those days in October and >> the mistress just happened to be there seeing her doctor as well. That's one way that they could have come in contact for her to be able to look her up on September 1st, 2017. Now, this one is one of the interviews with Chris, >> which I don't think this one has anything to do with the mistress, but they did speak about a explosion in Firestone in 2017. And I believe that had something to do with an oil well, which in my opinion could have been the reason why Chris had brought the gas can on his truck when he was disposing his family out in the oil fields to cause an explosion. Now, this one's interesting because in August 2017, Shannan Watts was having her neck surgery and one of her best friends, Christina Mikum, had stayed with them to help with the girls.

[00:05:22]Yep. in the upcoming part of this video talking about the gym. This would be relevant if Chris really was using a gym out of his house and keeping it a secret from Shannan to get out of the house being he has so many females around him and also what the mistress had mentioned about him going to a gym and his gym down in the basement. So that seems more relevant being it's the time after if they can 2017 and then let's say Chris is out at the gym >> and it was sometime between the beginning of August the end of August but still Kassinger searched for Shannan Watts on September 1st 2017. So Shannan has her next surgery on August 28th, which September >> that only the time that saw Shannan drinking alcohol, she didn't drink very much at all.

[00:06:15]>> Obviously approaching and the cheater that Chris is the self-absorbed little boy that he is, he probably had to get away from the house, go do something for himself. So let's say if he did go to a gym and get a gym membership. I would have to say that that would definitely be the biggest possibility on how they met. Origin 2017 speaks about the girls attending school and when they started which I highly doubt that the mistress had anything to do with being around this school and possibly how they would have met being she has no children. Now this one is also a strong possibility.

[00:06:52]This um was the interviews between >> Well, these are times that they actually could have met. So, apparently they had the same doctor CPR class that Chris went to at the end of 2017.

[00:07:14]So creepy.

[00:07:17]Trent Bolt, the one that claimed the gay gay male that had a relationship with Chris Watts. And then a piece of the interview from Trent Bolt's mother's interview. So Trent originally said that he had known Chris since June 2017.

[00:07:34]Tying that into other videos I've made about the possibility of them doing drugs and Trent was in that type of scene as well. Nicole Kessinger and Trent Bolt could have been friends. And on top of that, >> they weren't actually friends because Trent Bolt is apparently cousins with the girl that was in what was it? Boulder, Montana or whatever, can't remember the B name in Montana, which had a funeral not too long ago in Montana. I know it's on the tip of my tongue. I can't remember what it's called, but >> Trent's friend Damian came over for their Thanksgiving dinner.

[00:08:20]>> This is not coincidence. This is like crazy info details >> in 2017. And at the bottom, it says Damen worked in the oil field and came over and ate Thanksgiving dinner later that evening. So, Trent's friend Damian works in the oil field. NK K also works in the oil field and has for quite a while. So, she could have known Chris or gotten to know Chris through Damian or Trent. Both are big possibilities. And then this last one just mentions in 2017 for Christmas he was in North Carolina.

[00:08:56]So, if you'd like to watch the rest of this video goes on about the other videos I had made previously about the possibilities on how Chris and Nicole could have met in 2017, a year before he annihilated his family.

[00:09:12]>> Start off with the discovery where it says, "I asked Nicole if Chris went to a specific gym. She did not know if Chris ever went to a gym."

[00:09:19]>> Oh, so is Geneva crime time the same as true crime justice?

[00:09:26]I'm so confused.

[00:09:28]>> And denied going to a gym with Chris.

[00:09:31]She said Chris worked out in his basement. Nicole said she uses 24-hour fitness at 120th in Vain in Broomfield, Colorado. Now, of course, I was interested to see where this was located exactly. So, this is a 24-hour fitness which she claimed that she attended. And at the time, NK was living in the Thornton, North Glenn area, so it wasn't too far from her apartment. And this is how far it is from Chris's house on Saratoga Trail to the 24-hour fitness that she's speaking of. And now that we know Chris was living a double life, >> but the opposite way from work, >> it's highly possible that he was attending a gym because, and it's been heard by one of Chris's ex-girlfriends that he has always gone to the gym prior to meeting Shenan. And then we also heard >> Shannan says she didn't like that Chris was going to the gym. So she asked Chris to do it at home so she could be with him more because I mean yeah she's going to be up she's going to be I want to say a little jealous but if your man's going to the or if your woman is going to the gym you know she looked good or you know he looked good you're going to have thoughts. Not everybody is going to have that but you're going to have thoughts.

[00:10:45]So Shenan wanted him to stay home work out in the basement which he was doing.

[00:10:50]He's working out with his kids now, but at the beginning he was working out at a gym.

[00:10:56]>> Chris himself when he was explaining that girls would look at him and kind of smile at him. So, it would make sense that type of side eyeing and maybe flirtatious events happened at a gym because as far as we're aware of, the only places he would go to were to pick up the girls from the daycare, go home, and go to work. and out in the work field. The only place that he is most likely around females is at the office where NK worked. And then in the discovery, two other people noted that it was a possibility that Chris did have a gym membership. And I'm sure that would have been easy to get around with Shannan's schedule. Being that she was a stay-at-home mom, he could have gotten off work early every day, every other day, whatever that would be. Joey would get off early, possibly head to the gym, and then go pick up the girls, and then head home. and then he would have to either play it off with working out in the gym in their basement or not working out in the gym basement at all. Now, their friend Josh says, "In the discovery, it says, "I asked about Josh's knowledge of Chris's mental health. Josh had no concerns. He did not know Chris to see counselors or take medications for mental health matters.

[00:12:06]Josh described Chris as being pretty calm and level-headed. He was not the type to get angry or upset. He was frustrated by normal things such >> so I've been having a lot of people within like a two days to today writing me saying they don't think that Chris did any of the murders that it was completely NK because Chris was never one to get upset angry or blow up but NK had her moments of bipolar and exploding and being unstable Again, we can't confirm that because Chris confessed, but then they've mentioned that Chris confessed to protect Nicole. It's like he he said, she said kind of stuff. I mean, we can't validate it right now because nobody in this field, in this area, wants to even touch the Chris Watts case. They're like, "It's done. It's over with. We're good. We're not going to We don't care."

[00:13:06]Pretty much how it is right now.

[00:13:08]Does the gym mean too crowded as it was in San Diego? It was nothing out of the ordinary to Josh. So, it's kind of ironic that he says that he would be frustrated by normal things about the gym being overcrowded in San Diego, which was their last vacation before the North Carolina trip. And it also seemed >> she said he even worked out in the hotel. He was working out >> on Shannan's Facebook. She never ever posted anything about Chris going to a gym. So, it seems as if Josh and Chris went to a gym, or maybe Chris had complained to Josh about a gym being too crowded. Now, whether this is something that Shannan knew about or not, Josh did, and Josh and Cassie were very close friends to Shannan and Chris. So, I wouldn't be surprised if Josh took this knowledge that he knew Chris of going to a gym, stating it to his wife Cassie, and then Cassie then returned telling Shenan. But that's neither here or there. We just know for a fact that he would get frustrated by normal things such as a crowded gym. And if Chris was willing to take on an affair and hide that from his wife, there's no doubt in my mind that he would be able to do something as simple as hiding a gym membership and possibly taking the time out to go there. He had many excuses that he told his wife during the times that he was at Enk's house. So, there would have been even more excuses on why he got off late, why he picked the girls up late, blas blah. Now, Cassie, who is the wife of Josh, states in the Chris was working out and running a lot more.

[00:14:43]He runs around the neighborhood. Cassie thought he had a gym membership, but did not know where. Shannan got him weights and an elliptical for the house. Now, this is also something that could have built resentment um towards Shenan from Chris because if she was not wanting him to go to a gym and maybe this is something that he really enjoyed, you know, being out with public setting, even though he's an introvert, so this is kind of contradicting, but then again, he wasn't so much as an introvert with NK. So maybe he did like a more public setting as a gym would have.

[00:15:16]Maybe he felt more comfortable there. He could be more himself like he was with NK. And obviously this >> it's still not a right to commit murder.

[00:15:24]>> Could have made him out. It could have built resentment towards Shannan. Now I'm going to run through the possible slip ups through Enk's interview that she done on August 16th, 2018, August 17th, and August 21st. Now, some I will be reading and some will be the transcript from her interviews and then you'll hear her saying at the same time.

[00:15:45]And this will be pointing out every single time that NK said the word gym in her conversations and how it sounds like Chris was in a gym. And this is exactly >> man. Geneva was pretty much on the whole forensic linguistics way back in the eight years ago before anybody else started. She's like how many times did they talk about gyms? How many talk you know JYM? Not the J I M or J not G.

[00:16:14]>> Why and what makes me think that they did meet at a gym sometime 2016 or 2017.

[00:16:22]>> Phone records don't lie. People do.

[00:16:24]>> So this was the first one on August 16th, 2018.

[00:16:28]>> I am so hungry.

[00:16:30]>> You should have told me I would have got you some food. I got food in my car.

[00:16:33]>> It's not staying down.

[00:16:35]>> Why isn't it staying down? No, it's not because she's pregnant. Oh my gosh. She did not have a child with Chris Watts.

[00:16:45]I can't believe I've seen a couple of those videos going around. But this woman could not keep things down because she was so nervous about getting caught or in trouble because of what was what happened.

[00:16:57]>> She hadn't been feeling good. Not because of any just >> like I got sick.

[00:17:01]>> Not because of any of this. He goes just like like he's purposely distancing her from the crime again.

[00:17:09]>> Tired of this whole whole thing happening and then I think all of this compounding with the fact that I'm sick.

[00:17:16]It's just not good. I've not really been eaten or sleeping much at all.

[00:17:20]>> Yeah, I I'm with you. We definitely need to accelerate the case because the more long the more it takes, the less sure that they are of situations.

[00:17:33]But >> situations.

[00:17:36]So is Nicole being a situation >> on the other end. I think if we >> if you do just that only >> and you can barely hear this one now, but it is in the the transcript and it's kind of confusing why her father would just out of the blue say the gym. So this one is a little confusing for me, but the rest is more interesting. Maybe he was going to say something like she was so sick that she hadn't gone to the gym.

[00:18:04]>> And your relationship building through the >> Yeah. I mean like and if you go like a maybe like a week further back like there's times like I was trying to help him find an apartment like just for him not for me but for him and his kids >> um to get set up and like >> ah she does say this close to your gym.

[00:18:23]I mean I see what she's coming from.

[00:18:26]There's times where I'm like, "Well, where's your wife moving to? Like, how close is she going to be to you? You should be within like 30 minutes of your kids so they're close. And like you want to be close to their school and close to your gym and like what's your price range?" Like I was helping him get all of this stuff set up. And it was like in a very decent manner. And I don't know if all of that is in text. Some of it's probably on the phone. Like at this point, I've talked to him so much that I don't even know which parts are like verbalized and which parts are texted.

[00:18:57]>> Do you want to tell him about the time that you didn't talk to him for the whole morning until 3:00 in the afternoon? About or not 3:00, it was like 12:40.

[00:19:08]Um, no, not even that. It was 2 or 3 when they actually started talking to each other on the day of the murders >> at this point, but we can figure it out.

[00:19:18]Now, when she says, "You should be within like 30 minutes of your kids, so they're close and you want to be close to their school and close to your gym."

[00:19:27]Now, just choosing those words alone, it sounds like he does have a gym right now at that moment. And from the map, from the beginning, he was about 26 minutes away from the gym when he lived in Frederick, the gym that Enk was attending.

[00:19:41]>> Does his wife come back with him at that time or >> Yeah, they all came back.

[00:19:44]>> They all come back at the same time.

[00:19:45]>> They all came back. Um and then uh yeah, so he he continues to just, you know, tell me that this is like what he wants and and so I took the time and you will see that in the text too where I >> the two hours of you being uh looking at wedding dresses >> like like there like I found this apartment. It was perfect. It was so cute. I was like it's in your price range. It's like 6 miles from the gym.

[00:20:12]It's 23 miles from work. I'm like, you know, it's super close to Frederick.

[00:20:17]It's going to be by your kid's school.

[00:20:18]Like, this is this is the spot, you know, and and and I told him, I was like, "Oh, keep looking for more places." And he's like, "Well, there's some that I want to go see, too." And he actually had me thinking that he is going to go look at these places this week before all this.

[00:20:34]>> So, this is fairly recent.

[00:20:37]>> And then on this one, she says, "Like, I found this apartment. It was perfect. It was so cute. I was like, "And it's >> the week just flipping started >> in your price range and it's 6 miles from the gym."

[00:20:49]>> Oh, this vehicle she sells.

[00:20:51]>> It's 23 miles from work. So, that right there again, it sounds like he legit had a gym. And again, it's possible that she just had another slip up. Now, this one, it is the day prior to August 13th when she couldn't remember what she did that Sunday when she went to the museum with her parents. And she's just stating that she went to the gym.

[00:21:14]>> Went to uh the museum. And that's right.

[00:21:17]Uh the Denver Museum of Nature and Science and they went to brunch prior to that and I skipped brunch. Um and I went to the gym.

[00:21:26]>> You shouldn't have. It was good.

[00:21:28]>> I had to do core day. That was the last time I worked out actually. Um, >> that's what we did Sunday. Okay.

[00:21:33]>> Now, this one is most interesting I think or the next couple or >> So, she's skipped four days like a >> most interesting because these were cut out of the audio. There is no audio at the end of these conversations. So, this first one is August 16th. So, you would not be able to hear this on the audio interview, but you can read it from the PDF interview on the transcript. M.

[00:21:57]>> So she says, "Oh, he gets up and he like goes to the gym and he I mean works on his basement." So she legit said that he goes to the gym.

[00:22:09]>> Catches herself and tries to switch that up with works on his basement. Now that can go two separate ways. That he works in the basement that she's trying to cover up what she just said. Or because Shannan wanted him to clean up the basement and try to fix things so they can sell the house. Maybe she accidentally slipped that out. Meaning she meant to say, "Oops, he doesn't go to the gym that he works out in his basement." But then there's also this thing that she knows in her head that he has to work on the basement to be able to sell the house. Now, this interview is August 17th, 2018. Now, Kevin Kobe says, "Right, I think that's fair assessment. So, let's move on from that." And is also missing audio, but we have the transcripts. Um I there's a couple of questions I didn't uh ask you yesterday and are very specific. You mentioned a lot you're into fitness and so was he. Did you guys go to the same gym? She says no. He worked out in his basement. I never went to the gym with him.

[00:23:06]>> Kobe says okay so he do you know him to go to any gyms cuz you said like you were planning for his apartment and how he could get to his gym and then do his day kids uh school and then work. She says, "Well, yeah, I was trying to get a cuz he's going to have to go to a gym if he had an apartment because he's not going to be able to set up all that gym equipment."

[00:23:28]>> But some apartments have gyms. My old one that I had when I was in the military, the apartment complex I had had a gym. It had a pool. It had It had a basketball court. It had a gym. I said gym, right? Gym, basketball court. Um, it had a common area for parties, a pool, and yeah, so some apartments do have that >> in an apartment. And then this one says, "But if he were to move, just because he's downsizing so much, I don't think he has the capability." I mean, I would love to have a gym in my apartment. That would be nice, but I just didn't think he had the capability. So, that's why I brought it up. Like, cuz we were even discussing like, "What gym do you want to go to?" you know, and he was like, "Well, there's an Anytime Fitness over there." And I was like, "Well, it's, you know, it's close. It's open 24/7. It's big. Like, we had all sorts of discussions about that."

[00:24:24]>> And then here are three markers on the map.

[00:24:26]>> So, they're talking about gyms, but they're >> about where he could have gone on anytime fitness. And the one to the left is closer to the 24-hour fitness that she says she goes to. But I'm assuming it wouldn't be that way and considering they are close when he could just stick with 24-hour fitness. So it would probably be the one at the top or it would be one to the right. And then here Kevin Kovac says, "Okay, but you don't know him to have ever visited a gym."

[00:24:54]She says, "Not in the time that I um was spending time with him." Now, he did like work out with me one day at my house. like we did a little bit of yoga and like ab routine.

[00:25:05]>> I showed him an ab routine, but it wasn't at a gym. Kevin says, "Okay." She says it was literally like on my living room floor on some yoga mats. And Kevin says, "All right. And what gym do you go to?" And she says, "Thour fitness." And he says, "Which one?" She says, "Uh, the one, it depends on the day, but uh usually the one off it's like Brand and Rain on 12th." Now, he's specifically asking her here if she's ever known him to visit a gym. And she says, "Not in the time that I um was spending time with him." So, that sounds like the time that they were dating through their relationship when they first started dating through work that it's possible maybe they didn't spend time together at the gym during this relationship. But it kind of leaves the door open to a possibility that yes, she did know him.

[00:25:59]Writing notes down, guys, if you're wondering >> because she says not in the time that I um was spending time with him. So that means it could have been prior and that's a big possibility on how they met and why she ended up googling Chris Watts in 2017 and then a month after she googled Shannan Watts. Now, this interview is on August 21st, 2018. Okay.

[00:26:21]And then when I would get off work, I would sleep. I would go home and nap.

[00:26:26]And I would and my naps varied in time.

[00:26:29]Sometimes it was a half an hour.

[00:26:30]Sometimes it was like an hour and a half. It was like whatever my body needed. And then I would get up and I would go to the gym. And then after I got back from the gym, he would come over my house and it would be the same thing where it was like he would keep me up. And I will tell you without those naps, there's no way I would have been able to keep up with him. No way. Now, here she's stating, "I would get up and I would go to the gym and then after I got back from the gym, he would come over to my house." Now, this sounds like it too could be a gym visit together because we know that he would stay the night over at Nikki's house when Shannan and the girls were in North Carolina.

[00:27:05]She would stay at his house or he would stay at her house, her apartment, and he said that he would go home, make breakfast, and get ready for work and possibly maybe work out in the basement.

[00:27:18]But that could have been a rushed situation of going home to get all of his work equipment, going to the gym, possibly meeting up with NK because she did say prior that he would get up in the morning and go to the gym. And this also sounds like that they would go to the gym at different times of the day because first she says I would get up and I would go to the gym and then she says and then after I got back from the gym he would come over to my house and it would be the same thing where he would keep me up. That means and that sounds like that she went to the gym possibly in the afternoon on certain days because right after and this is another possibility where if they both get off work cuz they're getting off work in the same area. They both traveled down to the gym. They both work out together. She says he would come over to my house and he would keep her up. So, it's a possibility that they could have went to the gym together and or not together in the morning and in the afternoon because he was sleeping over at her house at night. Now, this is the last one from August 21st, which is another very telling slip. So, you think the thrive thing contributed to that or at least his own drive for losing weight and getting in shape and maybe his um attraction to you um drove him because you're pretty physically fit and he was kind of motivated by that. I think we remember you saying that earlier. Um that you were trying to help him get in better shape.

[00:28:50]Well, and I mean he was already in good physical shape and he was already taking care of his health and his diet in the gym. I just think he was like, "Hey, since you're already in this live a healthy lifestyle, would you be willing to just give me some input? Maybe I can find to it."

[00:29:10]>> And she says, "Well, I mean, he was already in good physical shape and he was already taking care of his health and his diet and the gym." So once again, she's blatantly saying that he was going to a gym. Now, it is fully possible that when she says the gym, she could be meaning the basement gym, but I have a feeling because she did separate them before when she slipped up and said he went to the gym, I mean uh the basement, she clearly keeps these separate from each other. There's either the gym or there's the workout equipment in the basement. She's not considering the basement workout equipment separating the gym in my eyes. I mean, maybe different to other people. Of course, this could go either way, but her wording >> is very specific on saying the gym and slipping up a few times. So, I hope this video has given you a perspective on a different way that they could have met, why that she's way of 2017. This is possibly the way that she had met.

[00:30:14]>> So, also, why does this matter? It matters, if I may interject into your guys' programming of watching this and watching my reaction. But the reason why this happened or is important is because we want to know length of time that they knew each other. Not a lot of people would say that they would murder somebody or somebody or a family because of two months together.

[00:30:41]Could it be? Possibly. Well, could be.

[00:30:45]But why is the mistress googling Chris and Shannan a year to se or 9 months before, which we've seen before in the documents and detail information that is factual, that she did Google Shannan and Chris. It was not a typo.

[00:31:05]that Nicole and Chris had a CPR class together.

[00:31:11]Nicole and Shannan had the same female gun or um doctor.

[00:31:18]Nicole and Chris met possibly at a gym.

[00:31:22]So, in this small group, they could she could have definitely sought Chris out like this um and placed herself in locations aka geologist um of safety of this man. But it would make sense why he she googled him because she was hunting for him. She was desiring him. She was willing to do anything and everything. And it didn't matter if a family lost their life. She wanted him and for her to be number one.

[00:31:54]That is motive.

[00:31:58]>> Chris. So, not only looking up Chris, but then knowing that he's married and how they would have gotten so close at the beginning of her contract with Anna.

[00:32:07]>> This is this is not a typo.

[00:32:11]Also, so now I will attach the other video that I did with the possibility of how NK had contact with Shannan and knew about Shannan and Chris in a different perspective. I'm going to be going over where it all began, the possible wise and hows the mistress came in contact with Chris and Shannan Watts.

[00:32:31]>> Not just with her first Google search of searching for Chris Watts in 2000.

[00:32:36]>> Look at that. And people are like, "Woke, you're coming up with crap." She googled Chris first. Everybody keeps saying it's Shannan. It's not. He goo she googled Chris first.

[00:32:50]There's a a fine line there where people are like, "No, it's Shannan. No, it's Chris. No, it's Chris." And then she googled Shannan later on and then Chris again in November or uh in um January and then Shannan again.

[00:33:07]first Google search of searching for Chris Watts in 2017, but possibly as far back as 2016.

[00:33:16]So, I'll start with this photo that's been floating around Facebook for about a week now, which is the mistress Nicole Cassinger in October 5th, 2016 as she entered a 45day fitness challenge.

[00:33:31]October 2016. This was 10 months before NK would Google Chris Watts dated on August 3rd, 2017.

[00:33:41]And then was 11 months before NK Googled Shenan Watts possibly stalking her and getting to know her through her very public Facebook account. And 17 months later in April 2018, NK starts her contract at Anadarko where Chris had been employed and it stated in the >> I'm pretty sure she put herself there.

[00:34:04]>> Nicole and I discussed her employment as she stated she was fired August 22nd, 2018 from Tasmin Geossciences. She reported she was a contracted an employee with Anadarko Petroleum through Tasmin and Anad Darko had canceled her contract. So Tasine in turn fired her.

[00:34:24]Now I want to show you a lot of coincidences as if there aren't enough coincidences already in this case. Now we know that NK started her contract at Anadarko at around March April of 2018.

[00:34:38]Now, also what happened in March and April of 2018 was Shannan had a sit down with an attorney at a restaurant to talk about divorce and the laws of divorce in Colorado.

[00:34:51]>> Shannan didn't seek him out in talking, which we've already heard and listened to. Uh link is in the description if you guys want to take a look or uh the video is in my crime playlist. Um or type in zoki interview ole in inca ole inca h or hamza you'll see it um that people the haters will be like oh shenan was already wanting to separate she wasn't se she was inquiring doesn't mean that she was actively trying to divorce but it just shows that they had problems before March to April that Chris and Shannan were going through some rough spots, but it really hit after May and June. Um, but could have Chris been starting to be distant in 2017, possibly now 2016, who knows?

[00:35:55]Roto. And then also we had the other quote unquote mistress Amanda McMman that said she also slept with Watts and that happened between February and March 2018.

[00:36:07]>> I don't believe that one.

[00:36:08]>> We have the quote unquote gay lover that has spoken about also sleeping with Chris and states that they had emotions on and off from last June up until March or April of also 2018. And then we also have >> their stories don't make sense. That's why I've watched them, but that's they don't make sense.

[00:36:28]>> Shannan's friend, Kelly Burke, and the last time she seen Shannan was the last part of April 2018, and they were both in New Orleans for a Thrive conference, and they were there for about 5 days, she says. Now, at the bottom here, she states that she never saw anything that led her to believe that Shannan and Chris were having problems in their marriage and that she overheard several conversations with Shannan that had that she had with Chris on the phone that appeared to be normal. Now, she's on the phone with Chris.

[00:37:01]>> Could be that they were hiding it for a little bit. I don't know.

[00:37:04]>> Chris is not with her in this New Orleans trip. This is so significant with the two other people, Amanda and Trent Bolt that are stating that they slept with Chris around that same time frame and also the same time frame the mistress NK starts her contract with Anna Darko where Chris works.

[00:37:26]>> That coincidence blows my mind. Oh, I also want to mention I am working on another episode with regards to the people that say they slept with Chris and the actual connection that he could have had with Amanda McMman.

[00:37:42]So, yeah, the connections with the dates is just it's >> she googled her again in January.

[00:37:48]>> Mind-blowing because no matter what, somebody is covering up their tracks.

[00:37:53]And I think it's the pathological liar Chris wants and maybe one other person, especially when Shannan wasn't even in town or in the state. That is highly suspicious. Now, I also want to mention that Luke Epel, who was the foreman for Chris at Anadarko, said that he's been working for them since April 2016, 2 years before NK would start to work for Anadarko as well. And 6 months before NK did this 45day fitness challenge, till before when I left off at 17 months later in April 2018, NK starts her contract at Anadarko. And then 19 months later in June 2018, NK and Chris Watts started dating.

[00:38:37]Now, it's also significant on how these might be true because of the pattern that Chris displays while Shannan is gone. So, she was gone at the end of April. We have a couple people that came forward and said that he may have cheated on Shannan during that time while she was gone. And then Shannan leaves for five weeks to go. But what if they purposely did that to make it look like Chris was messing with them so that the detention could get off of Enk and onto those two individuals.

[00:39:04]Visit her family in North Carolina and guess who's cheating on her. And then she goes on the other trip after she comes home from North Carolina. She goes to another Thrive convention in Arizona and there he is again cheating on his wife while she's gone when he went on his last dinner date with Nicole Kessinger.

[00:39:24]21 months later on August 13th, 2018, Chris Watts annihilates his entire family and disposed them in the most inhumane way ever on his work site, Survy 319. Now, let me remind you about the other video I made where NK was telling Chris Watts to prove that he was at the Survey 319 site.

[00:39:48]>> I'll try to put the link to that video below. It's more detailed obviously, but this is from the discovery and this is her telling the CBI that she told him to prove that he had been to the site. And how he proved it was Chris sent her a picture of the release.

[00:40:05]>> But why?

[00:40:05]>> Now, why would she be so concerned about proving that he was at this site? And it's kind of weird because she doesn't actually mention >> to show that she wasn't there.

[00:40:16]>> That she wanted him to send her a picture of the release, but that's actually what he sent her, but she didn't ask for it. She just wanted him to prove that he was there. So, I mean, you could say that looks a little suspicious. But then we also know that she was employed as the quality control and safety employee. So, more than likely, she was the person that got the call that there was something wrong on that Friday beforehand at Survy 319 that there was something wrong with this release and she's the one that called out for someone to go fix it. And ironically, Chris decides to take it upon himself to go fix that release.

[00:40:56]>> How is this not dispose of his family?

[00:41:00]>> Same site. And one could also >> sense >> did somebody actually do something to this release to make it trigger that there's something wrong at that site to where Chris would have an >> I would look to see if Chris's um GPS showed that he was out there beforehand on Friday to make that leak.

[00:41:22]Um, I mean it's >> excuse to go out to Servy 319 and eventually do what he did.

[00:41:31]>> And if NK required the evidence that would make it show that she knew why he was out there. I mean, you could definitely go into a vague questionnaire with her to see if she answers it. Um, like why did you ask for this? see what she says. I just I'm just curious.

[00:41:55]>> I don't know. Sounds a little suspect to me. Now, before I move on to the connections between Shannan Watts and Nicole Cassinger in the year of 2016 until she did her original search on September 1st, 2017, but first searching Chris on August 3rd, 2017. There's been a lot of speculation that this was a typo in the discovery.

[00:42:20]>> It was not.

[00:42:21]>> And I'll show you two different forms of why this is not a typo. The first one on August 23rd, 2018, they did a phone collection and interview with Nicole Kessinger. So, they retrieved all the data on her phone on August 23rd. So for people who are thinking she did this search on September 1st, 2018 are wrong.

[00:42:46]It would have never came up.

[00:42:47]>> That is not possible. If she gave everything over on August 23rd, how was she going to be able to search September 1st, 2018?

[00:42:56]>> That's true.

[00:42:57]>> So that doesn't make sense. Now, moving on to the second one, which was an article that Crime Online had came out with, and it states, "Following a series of email exchanges and phone calls with the Well County District Attorney's Office regarding the reports, Crime Online spoke by to Well County District Attorney Michael Roric on Monday. Ror said that the reports reflect what was shown in the forensic analysis of Nicole Kessinger's phone. The dates to which you are referring in 2017 where it appears she googled or otherwise searched Shannan >> was data that came off her phone. Ror said and he also states and it's in quotes. It's not a typographical error in the report. The detectives are reporting what was contained in the data from her phone. I don't know the answer to the question of why or how those dates ended up in her phone.

[00:43:51]>> The red flag goes up and they're like and it's like no and they're like sh don't don't say nothing.

[00:44:00]>> And there's an obvious answer to that is that it was her >> huge red flag and they're like we're not even going to look at her.

[00:44:06]>> Her doing the Google search for Shannan September 1st, 2017, a year before the murders. So, it also says asked if the district attorney's office questioned or planned to question Kessinger about the data suggesting she was aware of Chris and Shannan Watts for up to a year before the murders. Ror said that Chris Watt's guilty plea precluded any need to further >> so they never asked her >> probe the results of forensic analysis of Kessinger's phone. So, basically, they didn't really give a [ __ ] did they? Just as the rest of the investigation stopped as well. But they did their job. Remember, they did their job.

[00:44:45]>> They couldn't look further into things like we as the public have.

[00:44:51]>> And states, "We did not get to the point in our investigation of attempting to independently verify that or not because Chris Watts pled guilty." And states in quotes, "When you ask me if I have verified that information, the answer to your question is no. Nicole Kessinger told us that she met and started the relationship with the defendant in 2018.

[00:45:14]So where that anomaly in the data comes from, I can't >> I have no absolute reason to investigate Kessinger at this point in time.

[00:45:25]But there is a a time that can be >> answer for you. I don't know the answer to it. What in the world? So, it goes on to say, Rook said that the prosecutors are confident in the result of the murder investigation, which is closed. I have absolutely no reason to investigate Nicole Kessinger at this point in time.

[00:45:44]He said, "And this is not a witch hunt."

[00:45:46]He says, and I'll quote, "My job is to investigate and prosecute who's responsible for the deaths of Shannan, Bella, Celeste, and Nico. We have done that. I have no information nor any belief that any other criminal defendant is out there who is responsible for the death in any way, shape, or form."

[00:46:02]And then of course the Frederick Police Department did not immediately respond to a request for clarification of their earlier statements about the phone data review. And Shannan had then quit that job on April 8th, 2017 after working there for 4 years. If the sponsors had gotten a booth at this event, it's possible she met Shenan at that point.

[00:46:25]And now going back to the September 1st, 2017 search that NK did on her phone. If you go to Shenan Watts's Facebook page with her life on Facebook, that same day, September 1st, 2017, she was at Littleton Adventist Hospital, and that was the same day NK was googling her.

[00:46:46]So, that's two possible suggestions.

[00:46:48]Also, both being hospitals, which is kind of bizarre. And I'm thinking maybe if NK was on Shenan's Facebook that day and she seen these people giving her flowers, I'm sure she had a little bit of envy at that point. And here's some extra posts that Shannan Watts took of the kids at the hospital, the same hospital that sponsored the 45day challenge in order by date. And also a very important post to note would be a text between Shenan and Chris about their baby Nico on June >> on June. I love Chris. He's the best dad us like it's all over and Shenan was or Nicole was googling it >> 19 2018 >> and Shenan states, "I love Chris. He's the best dad us girls could ask for. I hate reading stuff like that. It's so tragic."

[00:47:42]Now, we know that NK has Googled Shenan and Chris and she also Googled their Facebook accounts as well towards the end of the relationship in the discovery. So, I'm sure possibly being possibly being the nosy mistress.

[00:47:57]She was probably watching Chris and Shenan's Facebook pages like a hawk. So, not only would she have seen the pregnancy announcement video that they did, >> she would have seen everything, >> she would have also seen this post on June 19th, 2018, then it would be quite obvious that NK already knew that Shenan was pregnant and she lied once again to investigators. And then 11 days after this baby post and possibly had seen that post and the video.

[00:48:27]So, 11 days after these posts, NK is texting Chris that we have screenshots of and she states on there that her friend was in a similar situation like this being a mistress obviously and she expresses that it doesn't bother her and she's not going to stop. She's not going to stop seeing him and she has made up her mind.

[00:48:51]>> And then on top of that madness, she says and asks, "Are we bad people?

[00:48:57]So, she clearly knew what she was doing was wrong and did not care about breaking a family up on purpose. So, moving on to August 30th, 2018, Anthony Brown, who also works at Anadarko, said in his CBI interview that he had seen Nikki and Chris near the breakroom standing extremely close.

[00:49:21]>> That was >> and that happened about five months >> prior. Oh, >> so this means that they were getting close between March and April. April again is when she started working at Anard Darko, but they both say they started talking in June. So even if they did start talking in May or June, that's only 2 to 3 months of dating before he annihilated his entire family. Whatever he felt for NK in 2 months was enough for him to want to start fresh. and he knew it would be hard with his family in the picture. And also on the other hand, Enk's feelings were so strong in the short two-month time frame, 21 months after her first search, 2 months into a brand new relationship after not caring of what she was doing as proven in text. She then Googles marrying your mistress, which Chris also confirmed in his jail house interview, and also Googled for over two hours, you guessed it, wedding dresses. And then you have my other video that I did where the family was only missing and Chris is talking about Shannan's wedding ring and NK tells Chris to pawn it.

[00:50:37]>> They were only missing at that point. I would say if she's was missing and Shenan was so worried that oh yeah, your family's going to come back, why would she say it the day of the murders?

[00:50:48]>> I will leak the description of that as >> I'm going to leave it there. But definitely the big ones that really stood out to me is the CPR class that they had together. Um Jan and Nicole had the same doctor. Um Chris went to the same gym as Nicole, which we've heard for a while. Um, but this shows motive why Nicole Kessinger would want Shannan, Bella, Celeste, and Nico out of the picture. She wanted to be number one.

[00:51:17]She wanted to give Chris everything. The evidence supports that she's lying to the detectives the entire time. Like, we see the evidence is very prominent in front of us and nobody's doing anything.

[00:51:30]It said, "Oh, there's no information at this time to bring Nicole Kassinger or to charge her." There is now eight years later, we have the evidence and no one's batting an eye.

[00:51:45]Come on, do better. Do your job. I just watched the case open up after 50 years.

[00:51:55]They arrested a guy.

[00:51:58]He's 80. Like, it matters. But again, it can happen.

[00:52:06]Comment your guys' thoughts down below.

[00:52:08]Do you believe the the Chris Watts with the CPR class, the like the shared doctor, the gym? Um, do you think this is motive? And if you are a professionalist field, please let us know. If you want to be anonymous, you can do that. Um, come to me by my Instagram and so forth. I surely love to hear everybody's uh stories and their ideas and their opinions. Um, we also can be um civil people, not sit there and yell and scream and cuss at each other and so forth. That's not what the comments are for. It's to debate, discuss, and um find the answers that we need to bring this woman into an interrogation, proper interrogation, and not some hogwash interview. Um, again, I thank you guys for being here. Please take care, be safe, keep nerding on as always. Uh, God bless and we'll see you guys in the next one. Peace.