Hokum (Spoiler Review) - Disjointed But Decent

Hinzugefügt: 2026-05-12

[00:00:00]Hul exactly how I wanted to start it.

[00:00:06]>> Okay, kids. You're scared. You should get out of here, man.

[00:00:19]>> Ah, another horror movie in the spring.

[00:00:22]>> Yeah. Um, I know it's not A24. It's the the knockoff. The the Neon.

[00:00:27]>> Was it neon? I don't It It [ __ ] felt like it.

[00:00:30]>> I don't I don't remember if it was or not.

[00:00:34]>> This is one of those things that they call elevated horror.

[00:00:37]>> And I'm getting a little tired of that [ __ ] >> Yeah. Although, I probably enjoyed this more so than any of the uh more recent elevated horror we've seen.

[00:00:47]>> 100%. Yeah, I >> agree. We'll give it some props during this review, even though it had uh its flaws.

[00:00:54]>> It does, >> but uh not terrible. I always feel like we like kind of give our verdict up front, you know, like uh >> I enjoyed it overall, but there's just things about it that are annoying and everyone's kind of blowing this movie right now and it's like, yeah, it's it's not bad.

[00:01:12]>> We finished the movie and we looked at each other like, I don't know how I feel about this movie. Yeah.

[00:01:16]>> And we had to kind of sleep on this one a little bit. And then over the next few days, it kind of grew on me a little bit. But the problems that I had with it, they're still there. Even though I I did enjoy the overall experience, >> it's still decent enough. It has some decent scares. I like the story, like the the background, what's going on in the movie. I like that aspect of it.

[00:01:36]>> The little folklore and the setting.

[00:01:38]>> It's like this Irish folklore thing, you know? And of course, because it's a modern day horror movie, it's got to be about witchcraft. Like every [ __ ] thing's about witchcraft.

[00:01:46]>> Everything's about witches now. But but this is one of the stronger uh representations of >> even though the witch angle itself isn't really as prominent in the story as I thought it was going to be.

[00:02:00]>> No, >> it kind of takes a back seat in a lot of ways.

[00:02:03]>> And it's also weird too because when the movie wraps and then you kind of look back on everything, you realize at that point how much the witch didn't really have that much of an impact on the story.

[00:02:14]>> Not really. So you think when you're watching it like all these horror things are happening, >> but a lot of it doesn't even really have to do with her.

[00:02:21]>> Well, yeah. Cuz when you when you first see the trailer for this movie, it feels like, okay, we're watching a supernatural horror movie where the main antagonist is this witch.

[00:02:31]>> Yeah.

[00:02:31]>> Right. But when you actually get into the story, it's more of like a ghost haunted house type story and he's Adam Scott, the main character. It's something that's like kind of following him a little bit, >> I guess.

[00:02:44]>> Kind of. Yeah.

[00:02:45]>> Because when the movie starts, he's he's in America. He's a writer. He's he's working on the uh the epilogue of his big story. And they go right into it with this kind of cheesy jump scare in the beginning.

[00:02:57]>> Yeah.

[00:02:57]>> Where you see like a figure and then this dead woman appears behind him.

[00:03:01]>> So, it's like he's being haunted by something.

[00:03:03]>> Yeah. because this is before he even goes to Ireland and gets to this hotel.

[00:03:07]And then once he gets there, this weird creepy [ __ ] kind of continues, >> but it's all completely unrelated, >> but it's all unrelated to like once they get to this witch angle.

[00:03:16]>> There's just a bunch of things like that in this movie where they're weird choices and they don't add up, right?

[00:03:23]And so it prevents me from enjoying it as much as I should have been enjoying it because there's like a lot of things where I'm just like, why did you throw that in there? That's annoying, >> right? You know, it's like they they felt like they had to have that scene in the beginning with like him seeing that ghost, I guess. Like they felt like they needed to set the tone, >> right? And they set the tone with kind of a cheap jump scare.

[00:03:42]>> Yeah. And that was actually something that bothered me about this movie because I was really digging the atmosphere and the look of the film and like you said the story, but then it's got these random jump scares just scattered all over the place. And some work and some are kind of like, okay, you should be going more for the eerie atmospheric stuff here, which they do.

[00:04:03]>> And that it excels when they do that.

[00:04:05]>> Exactly. That stuff works really well.

[00:04:08]>> But then here comes your next like random jump scare.

[00:04:10]>> Well, it just makes it feel Exactly. It feels like a Blumbhouse movie at that point, >> right? And I was hoping we were going to get something a little better than that, >> right? It is still that elevated horror feel cuz that's sort of the trend right now. But does this go into the territory of like pretentious long legs?

[00:04:30]>> No, no, no, no, no, >> no, not at all. And so, thank God it doesn't do that cuz I was worried it was. But yeah, it just it it sort of just ends up being a conventional horror movie. And >> kind of Well, that's the thing. Like the the first half of this movie, the pacing is kind of weird.

[00:04:43]>> Yes.

[00:04:44]>> Because you don't really know what you're getting into, >> right?

[00:04:47]>> The story kind of takes a lot of turns and then like halfway through the movie, he gets trapped in this hotel room.

[00:04:53]>> That's when it gets good.

[00:04:54]>> And that's when it really focuses in more.

[00:04:57]>> That's when the movie happens.

[00:04:58]>> That's when that's when you start getting more of the horror elements as he's trying to figure out how to get out of this room. So yeah, Adam Scott, he goes to this hotel in Ireland because his parents apparently had a honeymoon there and his parents are both dead now.

[00:05:12]He's got their ashes and he's going there to lay their ashes to rest. And he's meeting all these interesting characters at this hotel. And while he's there, he hears this story about this witch, right? And how the honeymoon suite in the hotel is like blocked off.

[00:05:28]He comes in right at the moment when the old guy is telling the kids about >> he's telling the story about the folklore about >> and it's like the fullon story about the whole way. So you get the whole exposition while he's kind of overhearing it and how she's she's like trapped in this room and nobody can go in there. But the story is not really about that yet. So it follows him. He goes and he scatters his his parents' ashes and there's like a lot of guilt with his character that kind of surfaces later about how his mom died and all that stuff. They'll say things and it sounds kind of off. You don't know why it's off when he says it though and then he accidentally shot his mom.

[00:06:03]>> He was accidentally responsible for the death of his mom and caused his dad to become an [ __ ] and he ruined his life basically and he's had to live with that. So he's been carrying that around and because of that he's a total [ __ ] [ __ ] >> Yeah. Which you know Adam Scott is good at playing [ __ ] >> He's good at playing that type of character, >> right?

[00:06:19]>> Wow. He's very understated in this than he has been in like let's say like I don't know step brothers you know right >> punch ME IN THE [ __ ] FACE.

[00:06:31]>> He's good in it though, you know. No, he he is solid. Even though he's kind of a dick, you're you're still kind of with him a little bit cuz you know there's something under the surface. There's more to him. It gets to the point, I guess this is like the end of the first act where he's talking to this bartender, this girl Fiona, and he's got this tape recorder, and he leaves the tape recorder on the bar, and he goes back to his room, and she tries to go to his room to give it back to him, and they find him hanging.

[00:06:55]>> Well, she says, "Uh, there's something something is compelling me to see if he's okay."

[00:06:59]>> Yeah. Yeah. She goes upstairs with the bellhop and they they open the door and and he's [ __ ] hanging there and you're like, "Okay, wait, what's going on here?" And then it just cuts to two weeks later and he's waking up in a hospital and he's like, "Oh, I'm alive.

[00:07:12]Who found me?" "Oh, this girl Fiona found me." So he goes back to the hotel and then he sees that the hotel is closing for the season. And when he gets there, he finds out that this girl that helped him went missing at the Halloween party the night after he tried to hang himself. He immediately takes an interest in this. And now the story takes another turn.

[00:07:31]>> Mhm.

[00:07:32]>> Where he wants to help find this girl now. And nobody like knows where she went. This is where it starts to get a little muddy.

[00:07:37]>> This This is why it's annoying, though.

[00:07:39]This is what I'm saying. Like, okay, I get that they I get what they're trying to do. He's he's uh ridden with guilt and so he tries to commit suicide. I understand that, but it almost felt like that wasn't needed because he's found hanging and then he wakes up and then like the story just kind of goes back to where it was.

[00:07:56]>> So, that whole aspect of him hanging himself was really trying to think about like was it really needed? And what I kept coming to was, well, he needs a reason to go back to the hotel. He needs a reason to get his tape recorder back for he he let you know, it's like all these things that he needs to do. And they it's like they decided, well, the best thing we could do to get him to go back and fulfill all these story beats we need is to just have him try and kill himself.

[00:08:19]>> Maybe, maybe not. Maybe [ __ ] yourself.

[00:08:23]>> All right. I get like he tries killing himself and then you know she finds him and so he kind of feels like he owes her now and that kind of gives him like a newfound purpose to do something right.

[00:08:34]>> Okay, that's all well and good but you didn't need that in the first place. If he just didn't do that >> and was just kind of captivated about what was going on >> at the hotel anyways >> kind of like this girl whatever she went missing and then it's just like oh what happened to her? It's this weird kind of tangent in the first half of the film where he tries to kill himself and you're like, "Okay, let's get back on track." And then once you get back on track, you kind of forget about it.

[00:09:00]Exactly. You kind of forget that he did that.

[00:09:02]>> Yes. Exactly.

[00:09:03]>> And then the story just continues.

[00:09:04]>> He feels a little different, I guess, in the sense that it almost felt like he was cured overnight or something.

[00:09:09]>> Yeah.

[00:09:10]>> You know, like now now >> he woke up and he's like, "Well, I tried and uh I was saved. I guess I'll just go on with my life." And you'd think there would be a little more Well, no. Okay, hold on. Wait, you got to talk to some people here. You're not just we're not just sending you out back into the world. I don't know how that works, but >> it just seemed like we got right back to the story without addressing that he tried to hang himself.

[00:09:33]>> Yeah.

[00:09:34]>> It's very mildly addressed and then he becomes like a detective for, you know, a little bit and then he goes back to the hotel and he's starting to figure out like, okay, well, what happened to this girl? Nobody knows, but they think it was this guy in the woods that he ran into earlier in the film. This guy >> when he was dumping the ashes.

[00:09:49]this guy Jerry, >> he's like some homeless dude that lives in a van.

[00:09:53]>> Yeah. Lives in a van like near this hotel, >> right? And supposedly he killed his wife. And so now authorities are think Yeah. So he goes out into the woods and of course immediately finds him >> of course, >> but nobody else can find him, >> which is convenient. And Jerry's like, "Nope, she's dead. I went to the hotel one night and I saw like a ghost of her and she was telling me she was like up in the honeymoon suite. I'm going to go there and we're going to we're going to find her." And Adam Scott's kind of like, "All right, >> I'll go with you.

[00:10:20]>> I'll go with you." And he's kind of like along for the ride at this point because he doesn't want to find out what happened to her. So they they go to the hotel and as soon as they get there, I guess he's the groundskeeper, this guy.

[00:10:31]He's like waiting there after they think everybody left the hotel and he captures Jerry and he's like, "Okay, I got this guy. I'm going to take you to the authorities. You're going to answer for what you did. We're going to find this girl." And then he leaves. So now Adam Scott is alone in this hotel with the key to this honeymoon suite and this is where like you said the movie really kicks into high gear. So he goes into this honeymoon suite and all this crazy creepy [ __ ] is happening. Yeah.

[00:10:57]>> I mean I was thinking at this point that it was the witch that was doing a lot of this stuff that was manipulating him. I thought you would think so.

[00:11:04]>> Well I also thought the witch was like in the room.

[00:11:06]>> Well yeah. Yeah. Right. But she's not.

[00:11:08]And like the guy told the story earlier, so you can kind of assume it was a witch, but you don't really know anything at this point.

[00:11:15]>> Yeah. But you still don't really know because when the bellhop tells the story earlier in the movie about where he's like standing outside the locked gate and you see the elevator open behind him and he's like got the lighter and you see like the witch's face come out. So she was clearly in the elevator that went up to the room. So she was in the room, right? But then he goes up in the room and he's seeing all this creepy [ __ ] but there's no witch.

[00:11:35]>> Mhm. and you're just waiting for something to happen. He ends up falling asleep on the bed and he wakes up because the concierge or something, he wakes up. He's like, "What are you doing in this room? How'd you get up here?"

[00:11:48]And he tries to get him out of the room.

[00:11:50]>> Yeah. He's like obviously trying to get him out quick.

[00:11:53]>> Yeah. Yeah. And which makes sense. Like you shouldn't be here. Like the hotel's shut down. This room is off limits. Like it's not weird that he's kind of ushering him out of the room.

[00:12:00]>> No. No. Yeah. But then you see like this little door creek open and it's I guess it's the dumb waiter and he goes to operate it and this guy stops him and then he operates it anyway and it raises up and the dead girl's like inside there and then this guy runs out and locks him in the room. So you find out they go back and it's like oh he he killed this girl cuz he got her pregnant and he has a family and he's the son-in-law of the owner of the hotel. All this [ __ ] convoluted. It starts getting convoluted and now it's this murder story >> and we're still not really having anything to do with this witch >> yet.

[00:12:32]>> She's still just a story, >> right? Yeah.

[00:12:34]>> But there's still all this weird supernatural [ __ ] happening.

[00:12:37]>> Exactly.

[00:12:38]>> So, you're kind of like, well, what what is this that's happening?

[00:12:41]>> Your brain is constantly doing this when you're watching the movie. You're like, what the [ __ ] am I watching? But not in a good way.

[00:12:48]>> Yeah. You know, wait, what's going on? I think that a a good example of th this sort of thing being successful is like when you watch Barbarian for the first time.

[00:12:57]>> Yeah, >> that movie takes you in like all these different the end sucks of that movie.

[00:13:00]So, I'm not going to defend the ending for how out there that is. That was stupid. But the fact that it's kind of like pulling you in all these different directions before it gets >> when they go back in time.

[00:13:11]>> It worked for that movie. Like you're the way the way you're along for the ride made sense with that one. This one you're just like all these questions are being raised as you're watching it. It just bothers it bothered me.

[00:13:21]>> Although this is where the movie does get interesting.

[00:13:24]>> No, it does. Yeah. This whole sequence where he's locked in the room is good.

[00:13:28]It reminded me of almost like a Resident Evil game where he's like stuck in a room and like he's got to find things to like advance.

[00:13:34]>> You got to figure out how to get out of the room.

[00:13:35]>> Yes, exactly. Then like he he puts together things almost like a key so he can like get the dumb waiter to work.

[00:13:41]But I did like how he kind of repurposed the clock in the room to hit the dumb waiter button because once it goes down, the button down there's broken.

[00:13:48]>> Yeah.

[00:13:49]>> That's how she got trapped down there.

[00:13:50]So she was in the basement.

[00:13:51]>> So he's able to time it so it'll press again and >> so he decides, okay, well I can't get out of the room up here. I'm going to try and go down.

[00:13:59]>> See what's down there.

[00:14:00]>> See what's down there. I got a lantern.

[00:14:01]So he pulls the the dead girl out of the dumb waiter. He goes down there and now he's wandering this weird basement. But this is also what's annoying. As he's in the room and he's and when he goes down there, he's got the tape recorder that that she had >> cuz she Yeah. She had it on her >> and I guess when she was in there herself, she was like recording herself like talking through what she was going through.

[00:14:21]>> Kind of like her final message to the world.

[00:14:23]>> And it's it's like creepy or whatever, but he's like playing it at the perfect times that he's also advancing what he's doing.

[00:14:31]>> Yeah.

[00:14:32]>> But also, it seemed like he wasn't even playing the tape recorder. or like the tape starts playing on it by itself.

[00:14:37]>> There's a lot of things that just start happening on their own and he's kind of like, hm.

[00:14:42]>> Yeah. It's weird when he chooses to be scared and when he kind of just looks at something like, hm, that's interesting.

[00:14:48]That shouldn't be happening.

[00:14:50]>> Right. Exactly.

[00:14:51]>> Like his reactions are weird from time to time. Then he goes down into this basement and now he's roaming around in this basement for a while and he starts hearing these weird sounds.

[00:14:59]>> It was creepy.

[00:15:00]>> That's what's effective about the movie.

[00:15:01]>> Yeah, exactly.

[00:15:02]>> Those creepy moments work. It's the random jump scares that are kind of like, "Okay, let's dial these back a little and focus on the real atmospheric [ __ ] that'll really elevate this." So, he races back to the dumb waiter. I guess he's been down there for like an hour or something, >> I guess. Yeah.

[00:15:16]>> And then you see the lights start going out.

[00:15:18]>> Yeah. Ahead of him down the corridor closer to him.

[00:15:21]>> And it's getting creepier. He's hearing this weird sounds uh approach.

[00:15:26]>> Yeah. You see this like this face appear out of the darkness.

[00:15:28]>> [ __ ] creepy. And as soon as he sees that face, the dumb waiter starts going back up and he's like, "Oh, thank god."

[00:15:34]And he gets back up to the top and he looks down. Yeah.

[00:15:36]>> And you see her like come through.

[00:15:38]>> That face is like coming up >> and she's crawling up and he's like, "Holy shit." Closes the door and he starts backing up. Now, this is where you finally feel the witch as a threat.

[00:15:47]>> Yeah, exactly.

[00:15:48]>> But she's a physical threat. You find out later that a lot of the supernatural [ __ ] happening to him in this room has nothing to do with the witch.

[00:15:56]>> I don't think I think it is. But that's what I'm saying. like you I don't know.

[00:16:00]So, it's annoying.

[00:16:00]>> You know, in in in in hindsight, I don't think it did, but we don't know that at this time. So, she comes out of this door. He runs into the the the bedroom.

[00:16:08]He's locking doors and she's moving through the through the room. And he found some chalk down there.

[00:16:13]>> We heard earlier on in the story that if you take if you a piece of chalk, you draw a circle around you. The witch can't penetrate the circle. So, he jumps on the bed. He draws a big circle around the bed. Yeah. And you see the witch like moving around >> the bed. It has the drapes over it.

[00:16:26]>> It's got the drapes. Yeah. You see her, you see the witch like through the drapes like circling the bed and then he falls asleep.

[00:16:32]>> Uhhuh.

[00:16:32]>> [ __ ] that.

[00:16:33]>> Exactly. Yeah.

[00:16:35]>> Not a chance.

[00:16:37]>> Not a chance.

[00:16:38]>> And then he he wakes up. It's the next day and she's gone.

[00:16:41]>> Yeah.

[00:16:41]>> She went back down into the basement. He steps out of the circle and he's looking around. She's just gone. He's looking out the window. And now our boy Jerry, he's come back. He got He got picked up by the groundskeeper. He busted out of the car. He made his way through the night injured. He gets back to the hotel. He's like, "I got to get up to that suite. I got to find that girl. I owe it to her." And this is when the concierge guy shows back up. And now he's trying to cover his tracks cuz he locked Adam Scott up in there. Now he's going to go, he probably disposed of the body, you know, whatever. And he runs into Jerry and he's trying to get Jerry out of there. And Adam Scott's up in the room like ringing the bell right >> down in the lobby. Yeah.

[00:17:21]>> Jerry hears it. He's like, "I'm going up there." And and the guy, I think his name is Mal, he's like, "No, don't do it." He chases him up there and he he [ __ ] shoots Jerry in the head with the >> with a crossbow.

[00:17:32]>> With a crossbow.

[00:17:33]>> Jerry's gone. Jerry Jerry was like the the unsung hero.

[00:17:37]>> He was the unsung hero of the film.

[00:17:42]>> He lived long enough to unlock the little ground door. Adam Scott could get out. But then Mal is He's desperate.

[00:17:52]He's got to cover his tracks. So, he uh he lights the hotel on fire and then he goes up there to try and kill uh Adam Scott. But Adam Scott has a plan, takes the key that opens up the elevator, the gate or whatever, and he goes down into the basement with it. So, Mal goes down with him and he's he's like he draws a little circle around himself, but Mal doesn't know about the circle. So the witch comes, gets him, pulls him into the underworld, and then Adam >> whatever the [ __ ] that was, >> he has his little uh his little uh redemption moment, little guilt moment with the ghost mom, and then you realize like all this [ __ ] that's been happening to him, this supernatural [ __ ] is like ghosts that have just been with him or trying to help him. So it's like what was his guilt like manifesting some sort of like spiritual thing that was entity that was after him like or was that just like his interpretation of his manifestation of guilt in general?

[00:18:45]>> I don't know.

[00:18:46]>> It's just annoying again like >> so it's like you were there this horror stuff was already happening to him before the horror stuff in Ireland that was completely unrelated.

[00:18:56]>> Yeah. He has this this encounter with his mother when he's back in the States.

[00:19:00]>> Yeah. Exactly. You know, and I actually I do like his character's arc in the film. I I liked I liked everything he goes through and where he ends up in the end.

[00:19:08]>> It's just how they presented in this.

[00:19:09]>> It's just how it's presented a little bit. So, he gets out of there and the hotel's on fire now and then the the groundskeeper comes back and gets him out of there and he wakes up in the hospital again and uh the bellhop comes to see him and he's he's not as much of a dick now. He's still a dick >> cuz he was he was an [ __ ] to the bellhop earlier. that bellhop's like an aspiring writer and so he's like, "Oh, you read my transcript or whatever and he's like just being a total dick to him." It was funny. And then like he ends up burning the bellhop's hand.

[00:19:36]>> Yeah. He puts a spoon in the candle and he keeps talking to him then he pulls it out and just burns it.

[00:19:40]>> Yeah. Like just an [ __ ] So the bellhop was pissed off at that and then like the bellhop says to him like, "Hey, just so you know, were you drinking some of the the whiskey out of that flask or whatever >> in your room?" Yeah.

[00:19:51]>> And he was like, "Well, yeah, it's whiskey. Of course I drank it.

[00:19:53]>> I drank the whole thing.

[00:19:54]>> I drank the whole thing." And he's like, "Okay, well, just so you know, I spiked it with >> spiked it with some of that psilocybin that was in Jerry's milk."

[00:20:01]>> Jerry Yeah, exactly. Jerry was like >> magic mushrooms.

[00:20:04]>> Yes. He was a hallucinag.

[00:20:06]>> I immediately had questions.

[00:20:08]>> Well, so that that about that again. So now it's like did everything that we just watched was that all [ __ ] then?

[00:20:13]>> Yeah. Right. Well, because they they frame it in the movie as oh well, if you're on like mushrooms, it like opens your mind to the supernatural world. So that's how when Jerry he killed his wife because she was in pain, she was sick or whatever, and he took mushrooms so he was able to communicate with her that she was okay with it.

[00:20:30]>> Yeah. But but that's like I get that they're trying to frame that, but like every [ __ ] stoner says that every mandal in the sky while everyone else is inside just laughing their asses off for four hours. But I was curious then like, well, okay, he was up in that room for quite a while, at least a whole day, right? or a whole night and then a day.

[00:20:52]And I was trying to think back like, wait, when was he sipping on that flask?

[00:20:55]Was he sipping it over a course of time?

[00:20:57]Was he micro doing or was he did did he just slam that that whole flask at once?

[00:21:02]Cuz then that trip would have only lasted like Yeah.

[00:21:05]>> You know, a short amount of time. But he's experiencing a lot of [ __ ] for a prolonged period of time. Plus, he wasn't on mushrooms in the beginning of the movie when he saw his mom's car.

[00:21:14]>> This is what I'm saying. Like you're just constantly thinking about all these things.

[00:21:17]>> Exactly. It's like they tried to throw that little bit in there to be like, "Oh, was it real? Was it not real?"

[00:21:22]>> It was unnecessary.

[00:21:24]>> It was kind of unnecessary.

[00:21:25]>> And so at one point, uh, he gets like uh the witch puts him in these like uh bindings, these cups. Yeah. And so the bellhop says that about the the mushrooms or whatever and then like he looks down and Yeah, there are bruises.

[00:21:35]>> He still had the bruises, but it's like so Why are you throwing that? Okay, I'm [ __ ] done. But still it was kind of a satisfying ending because then the way it starts and then the way it ends is with the epilogue of his book in the desert with this concistador and originally he was going to end it like very bleak but he changed it for you know after he went through what he went through he changed the ending so it was a little bit more hopeful.

[00:21:59]>> Yeah. Exactly.

[00:22:00]>> And I thought I thought it was a nice you know book end like the >> I agree. Yeah. That stuff was good. When the movie works when the when it does things correctly and you're not annoyed with it it's very good. It worked pretty pretty well. Yeah. When it didn't, it was a little okay.

[00:22:13]>> It's just disappointing to me because there are so many things about it that I did like. And I like the folklore, like we said earlier, I like the folklore underneath it, the overall story. I like when he's stuck in the room having to figure all of that stuff out. I like the witch angle even though that really didn't >> Yeah. But then like by the end, the witch is just it's another obstacle in the room.

[00:22:31]>> Yeah. But she she doesn't even do anything. She like basically ushers them into this room that's got like these demon things in it or something. She takes the she takes Mal in there at the end and she's just gone. They don't find his body when they when they're looking through the rubble of the hotel.

[00:22:45]>> Yeah.

[00:22:46]>> Yeah. That the witch was kind of like, okay, she she was just another obstacle in the room and then a tool for him to use to kill the bad guy >> and that's it. And then the main focus was really about the the ghost angle.

[00:22:59]>> It's one of those movies though where like if if you tell someone that liked it, I [ __ ] hated this movie. They're going to be like, oh, you just don't understand the themes. You know, it's it's about trauma. It's about this and it's about Yeah, [ __ ] I got that.

[00:23:13]>> Once again, the problem doesn't make it good.

[00:23:16]>> No, the presence of a theme does not make something good. It just means there's a theme there. It has nothing to do with the good or bad. You know, I was fine with the theme themes in the film.

[00:23:26]>> I was fine with themes and I was fine with how it goes full circle like you said like how how it book ends with like something helpful. That stuff was good.

[00:23:33]>> indicating that he's like found, you know, new purpose in life, whatever.

[00:23:37]That's good.

[00:23:38]>> He Yeah, he got through his grief and uh he moved on. Overall, ranking wise, when we first stepped out of the theater, I would probably go a little lower, but then I I thought on it and I thought, "All right, there were there were a lot of things I did like about it." So, actually settled on a on a 6 out of 10.

[00:23:54]>> Oh, yeah. That's where I settled, too.

[00:23:56]>> Yeah.

[00:23:56]>> Yeah.

[00:23:56]>> Yeah. I thought I thought you were going to go higher. I was about to be like, "Dude, you're not giving this like a 7.5 or something, are you?"

[00:24:01]>> No, no, no, no.

[00:24:03]>> Yeah. I mean, and look, I'm sure that, you know, most people when they see this are going to like it. This is feel like this is going to be one of those reviews where >> Yeah. I think people are going to score it a little higher than we did. Um, that might have just been because we were expecting something different when we went in. And >> maybe I don't know. I I really wasn't expecting too much. Like I just I don't like when you sit down and you start watching a movie and it's just kind of going all over the place and you're just constantly having to be like, "Wait, what? Why? What do you do?" Just they could have tightened it up in certain areas and it would have would have made it a little stronger, I think.

[00:24:35]>> Yeah. 6 out of 10.

[00:24:36]>> Yeah.

[00:24:36]>> In terms of the rainbow scale, >> yeah, the other scale, uh, not really much at all. There were just two little moments early in the film that I thought, "Okay, we're going this route."

[00:24:46]>> But then they don't really go with it at all. Yeah. Like, so he shows up to the hotel and there's like a dead goat on the ground or whatever.

[00:24:52]>> He gets into an argument with the groundseper like >> borderline lecturing the groundskeeper like, "Well, why did you kill it? Why did you shoot it? You couldn't have shoot it away.

[00:25:00]>> Couldn't shoot it away." No. Well, how about spray it with a hose? He starts like pushing this moral superiority.

[00:25:05]>> Yeah. Yeah.

[00:25:06]>> And then he does it like 2 minutes later again. He goes inside and this old guy is telling these two young kids the story of the witch. He gets involved and he's like, "Go away. They're not your kids. Well, you don't tell them the story, you know." And then the guy starts asking him questions. and she's like, "None of your business, whatever."

[00:25:19]So, like, he's allowed to pry, but the other guy isn't. And I was like, "Oh my god, is this going to be one of those [ __ ] like morally superior like character?"

[00:25:27]>> The thing that's interesting, though, is like the guy that killed the the groundskeeper guy that killed the goats, he ends up saving his life. Like, he's a total [ __ ] like the conservative [ __ ] you know, who hunts, you know, but then at the end of the movie, he ends up saving him and like he [ __ ] he hated Adam Scott. Like, he hated his character, but he still saw him laying on the ground and like was like, "Oh, shit." He went back and he went into a burning hotel to search for people.

[00:25:50]Exactly. So they he ends up being the good guy. They don't like turn into >> No, it was just that two little moments back to back in the beginning where you're like, "Okay, is this where we're going with this?"

[00:26:00]>> But they don't.

[00:26:00]>> But they they actually don't. So I was pleasantly surprised.

[00:26:04]>> Right. And you can even kind of say that the reason why he was acting like that is just because he's like a mess. Like psychologically.

[00:26:10]>> He's a total mess.

[00:26:10]>> Yeah. So, you know, I'm probably looking into that too much. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:26:14]>> But still like they just didn't go there and that's good.

[00:26:17]>> No, that's fine. So for that, you know, I'm just going to go half of one.

[00:26:21]>> I'll give it a zero.

[00:26:22]>> Okay, that's fine. That's fine.

[00:26:23]>> I think I think it was a zero. Like I I watched it and I'm like, man, maybe maybe we really are healing, you know?

[00:26:30]>> Yeah. No, that's what this movie ended and I was, you know, a little up and down with how I felt about the movie overall. But on that other scale, no, I I wasn't thinking about that [ __ ] which is great. Yeah. You know what? I I will recommend this one. I would recommend it, too. Yeah. And I think I think it's worth supporting.

[00:26:46]>> You guys will probably like it more than us, but >> and I I I liked it, but I I did I thought, you know, there were just some issues that I was hard to overlook.

[00:26:55]>> It's it's shot really well. When the atmosphere works, it's it's pretty solid.

[00:27:00]>> Yeah. So, yeah, it's a recommend.