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[00:00:00]Tony Petitti and the Big Ten just flexing their muscle across the college football. What does that mean for the landscape of the sport and how does Bob Chesney bring UCLA up from the ashes?

[00:00:11]That's today on the Locked On Big Ten Squad.

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[00:00:38]Happy Thursday, everybody. Welcome to this week's Locked On Big Ten Big Ten Squad. I'm your host Spencer McLaughlin, neutral arbiter of all things college football, of course. Isaiah Hole of Locked On Wolverines is here, and then the LA rivalry is in the house. Mark Cuban of Locked On USC and Zach Anderson Yaxheimer of Locked On UCLA ready to rumble once we get to the Bruins later on today's show. But, Big Ten spring meetings earlier this week, gentlemen, and the same talking points are coming out of Big Ten that Tony Petitti spoke, or at least was interviewed. That doesn't happen very often. Isaiah, what did you make of what messaging he is pushing for the best conference in college football? I mean, I didn't catch like an insane amount of it. It's just still just like baffling to me though, like what this guy is doing in terms of like pushing forward but the the the topic that has been this show every week for like the last 3 weeks, right? Like it it's just getting tiresome and it's like I I I I'm I don't want to make a playoff contention here. I want to make an anti-Tony Petitti contention to some degree.

[00:01:52]Because, honestly, like when you look at the fact that like he comes from like this TV executive style and if he's running the Big 10, arguably the most storied conference in all of college football, he's running it like he's a Fox exec that was in baseball. He's running it exactly like who he is.

[00:02:15]So, I I'm just I I and you know, I'm I as a as someone who's covered Michigan, we talked about this pre-show. I'm not a fan of him anyway, just with his arbitrary decision-making when it came to Jim Harbaugh. And like you can make you can make it, you know, all the comments like you made in the pre in the pre-show, but there was no due process there, either.

[00:02:32]And [clears throat] it's just I'm just not a fan of anything that Tony Petitti does, even when he went to bat for Michigan after, you know, during the actual COI and everything.

[00:02:43]I I'm just like Okay, that's a little too little too late. And then he turns around and you've got all of this nonsense happening.

[00:02:51]I I don't know. That's where I'm at.

[00:02:53]It's nothing nothing really insightful, but Craig Sheman, Locked On Big 10, has joined us here on the squad. Thanks for showing up, Craig. Good to see you. You bet you.

[00:03:03]>> [snorts] >> I am I I'm I'm amazed in a way at how a guy that has been in college football for just over 3 years. It's It was It's just over 3 years to the day.

[00:03:17]And he is having as big of an impact on the sport as any singular individual in in the sport's history. That's That's crazy, right, Craig?

[00:03:31]Uh it is crazy and yet it's true. I mean, he arguably is the most powerful man in sports right now. Uh think about this a year ago, you know, it was all the the SEC and the Big 10 were going to take control of the playoff format and decide how we were going to move forward. And then it turns out we couldn't agree. And a year ago, nobody wanted a 2014 playoff. It was all Greg Sankey and let's do 16 or whatever the case is. Now he's flipped the script.

[00:03:59]Everybody but the SEC wants the 24-game playoff, which again, I think is ridiculous. And you know, catching the end of what Isaiah was saying, you know, you're coming from his his his baseball background, he thinks, "Well, as long as we can have everybody eligible for the playoffs going in November, you know, that's great." What he really wants is the, you know, UCLA-Minnesota game in week nine where both teams are five and four to still think they have a chance only to get blown out of >> better this year, Craig.

[00:04:25]I apologize.

[00:04:26]>> [laughter] >> Yeah.

[00:04:29]Uh I'll use a perfect example.

[00:04:31]Uh since you two guys the USC-Oregon game last year, ground zero for my argument. Forget about Ohio State-Michigan or UCLA-Minnesota.

[00:04:41]That game last year, go, I believe was the second-to-last week of the season or close to it, and we had all this intrigue. All right, USC had to win to get into the playoffs and take this Lincoln Riley uh whatever you think of him, take it to the next level.

[00:04:58]And there was an outside chance that if Oregon lost that game, despite being in the top five all year, might have slipped just low enough to not be in the playoffs. That's the intrigue you want at the end of the season. You go to 24 playoff teams, that game means nothing cuz both teams already know they're in the playoffs. I mean, heck, even Michigan would have been a playoff team last year and those of us that saw uh with the with the 24 teams, and those of us that watched Michigan, they weren't a playoff team. I I don't want to see mediocre or good. I want to see great on great in the playoffs. But right now Patino's holding all the cards. Yeah, I'm I'm fully behind that point, Craig.

[00:05:34]Mark, you've been around since the Eisenhower administration. Have you ever seen anything like this?

[00:05:39]Well, I haven't been around that long, um but yeah, I I've seen stuff like this. The Pac-12 tried to flex their their muscles back in the day with their own TV network and that's what this is all about.

[00:05:52]>> it rate? Yeah, it worked out great.

[00:05:55]We're going to make all this money.

[00:05:57]We're going to show the country how it's done.

[00:06:00]>> [snorts] >> Years later, here we are. Here we are on the Locked On Big Ten squad.

[00:06:06]So, and and here's what's so interesting. We don't It doesn't matter what Tony Petitti says.

[00:06:11]Just follow the narrative that the media puts out there. Cuz once it starts leaning one way and all of a sudden that's That's what's going to change everything.

[00:06:21]We We know that ESPN has exclusive rights if it stays at 12 teams. Once it goes beyond that, now all of a sudden ESPN has to get competitive because, you know, some of Tony Petitti's friends in the TV industry at Fox and other networks, they're going to want a piece of the pie. So, that's why you're getting this big push for 24 teams from the Big Ten.

[00:06:45]I I'm 90% against it. I can I can jump on board with 10% of the idea, but there's just there's just too many cons to it. You're going to have As As Craig mentioned, when you get towards the end of the season, not only will certain games not mean as much because they know that they're probably in with 24 teams, but then you also start to see the product start to dilute itself. Players start sitting out.

[00:07:09]The games don't mean that much. Rivalry games start to take a hit, which, you know, we'll talk about you know, on another show. But anyways, there's just too many pitfalls. So, stick with 12.

[00:07:21]I can accept 16, but 24 way way too many. I I agree, way too many. And the the resting of players, I've heard that talking point get circulated. And at first, you'd think, well, no, I mean, this rivalry game's always going to mean But isn't 2024 Ohio State the perfect example.

[00:07:43]Does anyone Sure, but some Buckeye fans care that they lost that game to Michigan as a 22 and a half point favorite. Okay, they won the national championship. I'm making that trade every day of the week and twice on Saturday. If I'm a fan, if I'm a coach, if I'm an AD, I will swallow a rivalry loss if it means you win a national championship. Mark, one more thought and then we'll get Yoc in here. Well, no, and I I was going to segue to Zach. I mean, yeah, what happens if USC and UCLA is number one and two in the country going into that final week of the season?

[00:08:13]>> Well, pigs will be flying through the air, so let's calm down.

[00:08:16]And okay, but I think it's more plausible than Oregon actually winning a national championship. Anyways, >> Statistically not true, but we'll we'll soldier on. Would players sit out that game because they Everybody on both teams know they're in the playoffs and they're probably going to get a bye as well that first week.

[00:08:35]Yeah, those dynamics would be fascinating. Yoc, is there any The meetings were down there in SoCal. Did you go stage a protest? Did you bring a sign?

[00:08:44]Let's see. First about pigs flying, I know Lord of the Flies is on Netflix.

[00:08:48]First episode specializes on Piggy.

[00:08:51]>> [laughter] >> In terms of Big Ten meetings, it was at the Terranea Resort. Google where that is. One of the best resorts, most expensive, beautiful coastline resorts you can see in Southern California. And they got to bounce over some bad roadways where Tiger Woods fell off the first time in his big crash. So, if you're making all those connections and then in terms of this, Tony Petitti is even more of a villain than Greg Sankey?

[00:09:15]Like, to be honest, like I think I kind of like Greg Sankey more.

[00:09:20]Right now I'm Right now I'm 100% more more a Greg Sankey fan than than Tony Petitti and I cover a team that is in the Big Ten and this is the Big Ten squad. We're going We're going to examine that even further. Who's a bigger villain in college football? Tony Petitti, Greg Sankey, or Mark Colkin?

[00:09:41]That has to be explored next here on the show.

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[00:10:52]All right.

[00:10:53]We are unexpectedly getting to this topic today because I'm in the top left, so that's the way we roll.

[00:11:00]Isaiah, who over the course of his life, and keep in mind Sankey has been the SEC commissioner for what? 10 years at this point? Eight 8-10 years? Who's a bigger villain in college football? Tony Petitti or Greg Sankey?

[00:11:16]I mean, it [clears throat] was Greg Sankey because he was so unabashedly pursuing things openly for that were just going to extend SEC dominance, and he still doesn't back away from that, and it's certainly very self-serving, but like the thing that Petitti's doing is so much more subversive, right? It doesn't even He's not even out there being like, "We're doing this for the Big Ten." Anything he does, whether it's that or like the private equity deal or any of those things, he's not doing any of these things that are like openly like, "We're trying to assert our dominance here." He's doing it like quietly and subversively like a real-life superhero or not superhero, supervillain.

[00:12:00]>> Very Machiavellian. Yeah. Yeah, I mean I mean you ask the three, right? Like you said you said that it was Was it Sankey or Petitti or Kliavkoff? I mean it's still Kliavkoff, but I mean >> [laughter] >> Obviously. But number two, like you know, just slightly behind him is is Tony Petitti. No, we all know I'm I'm I'm kidding, Mark. We all know the real villain of the world is Drake Toll of Locked On Big 12. And >> [laughter] >> Uh by the way, but before you chime in, Craig, can anyone off off the dome tell me where Greg Sankey did his undergrad?

[00:12:38]Does anybody have this? I'll give you a hint.

[00:12:41]There are more than five words in the college name.

[00:12:45]Ooh.

[00:12:47]So it was out of country?

[00:12:49]Uh >> [laughter] >> Is that Is there a >> Northwest Missouri State University. All right, that's a valiant effort. That was several words. Are the words community college on the end of this little thing?

[00:13:00]They They They are included, but they are not at the end of it. I've tell you, I've never heard of this school. I was just seeing how long Sankey's been in his position since 2015, by the way. I will give you all next month's payment my my payment next month from this company if one of you pulls this off.

[00:13:21]Well, All right. Cayuga Community College State University of New York at Cortland.

[00:13:28]Oh, at Cortland, that campus.

[00:13:31]>> [laughter] >> I thought it was the Niagara campus.

[00:13:34]Yeah, right.

[00:13:36]I think they've got an affiliate in Albany, too.

[00:13:39]He got his masters at Syracuse. Anyway, Craig, go ahead. Sankey or Petitti, who's the bigger villain right now? Well, I mean, it used to be Sankey all day long. We used to could because you know, everybody in the SEC had their head in the sand. Oh, woe is us. We're tougher.

[00:13:55]We are we it means more. We just we we can't play nine conference games cuz we're too hard on each other. No, it's it's all nonsense. It's all gone out the window. It's all now in Petitti's lap now.

[00:14:07]Now, you know, there's another side of this, too. And I know I know Petitti and Fox and everybody wants the 24 teams, but the beauty of this may be when Petitti said that his plan B was no plan B, just to stay at 12, which that may be our saving grace here that that he and Sankey don't come to any kind of agreement and we just stay at 12. I'm like the smaller the playoff field, the better. If it's got to be 12, it's got to be 12. Let's just ride this out for a couple of years while they continue to disagree with each other.

[00:14:40]Mark.

[00:14:42]Yeah, well, I I hope you're right, Craig. I hope we can just, you know, have that stalemate and stay at 12.

[00:14:49]But USC and Notre Dame are talking again, which means you probably know behind the scenes what's going to happen.

[00:14:54]Otherwise, they don't have these conversations. You and I need to have a conversation about the way you feel about that another time. Got word back and uh yeah, you and I need to talk.

[00:15:04]>> Good luck getting Craig to text you back. Who's he talking about? I text everybody back. Except me.

[00:15:10]Who's he talking about?

[00:15:11]>> [laughter] >> Here's the thing. And I know we don't talk politics here, but when you're on the wrong side of an 80/20 type of thing, you're the bad guy.

[00:15:19]And right now, the fact that Greg Sankey and the SEC wants you to promote nine conference games, a mandated power one a power four out of conference game.

[00:15:32]And you know, the Big Ten's kind of taking the opposite approach other than, you know, they already play nine conference games.

[00:15:39]Something just doesn't feel right in the world when we're kind of praising the SEC and wondering what the hell the leadership at the Big Ten's doing. You know, that >> That's called the worst person you know made a great play. Thank you, [laughter] Mark.

[00:15:52]Wow. Zack, that was well that was well done. I'll wind up you later when we get to you see like might be good, so go ahead.

[00:15:59]>> There was a there there's there's another political comparison, Mark, that is apt and that's that I think a lot of people feel the way folks on either side can when they're in the minority party and they're watching politicians on the other side successfully implement the the bills that they want to pass or the policy and rule changes or whatnot and they're just sitting there going, "Wait, this sucks.

[00:16:22]No, I don't No, I don't want that that to happen." And you just kind of have to sit there and go what what what what exactly can you do?

[00:16:30]By the way, by the way, Craig, how about how about how about that string of text?

[00:16:34]That's five That's five in a row spread out over several months. Zero response.

[00:16:40]Zero.

[00:16:40]>> Do you have my right number? I I answered a text two hours ago from you saying I'd be on the squad tonight.

[00:16:46]>> Yeah, but you put that in the group chat. No, no, no, see it keeps going and then eventually eventually you got there, but it was just it was just selective. So, good to know it's personal with me. Yeah, I know. It's all I sent I sent yeah, I'd be there and then I sent Isaiah text saying I was at the big house this weekend. Yeah, granted this is I didn't Hey, I didn't I didn't tell you when these when these when these texts were from, but my point wasn't to do right by you by by bringing those out. That wasn't my wasn't my intention, so uh yeah, I'll see you later. Zack saying I made a great point.

[00:17:15]Go ahead, Zack. Continue.

[00:17:17]>> [laughter] >> Yeah. Highlighted by worst person you know. Okay. That was where I was That's what I was going to say.

[00:17:22]>> [laughter] >> But, I think the thing is for me, if we're going back to the ultimate point, namely the playoff two, beyond the Sankey point, I personally take college football playoff expansion over college basketball tournament expansion. That's my hill to die on. You might disagree.

[00:17:38]You might just say no expansion, which is the correct answer for either sport.

[00:17:42]Too bad, that's just not where we're going to go. Sankey, though, he seems to Whatever he's putting out is for the betterment of the sport, which for a long time didn't seem like that was the case. And if we get stuck at 12, that's okay. If we move to 24, I have a little background having watched the 24 FCS playoff model. That didn't seem too terrible. Montana-Montana State was still epic, one of the biggest FCS rivalries, and they met in the playoff.

[00:18:07]That meant just as much. So, I think this sitting out is going to get clowned on. But, you know, I'll let you speak in a second, Spencer. Anybody else? Anybody else want to speak to have him hold on line one, Spencer? Oh, you can speak.

[00:18:20]Oh, thank you. So kind. Thanks for having me on the show. I'm a long-time listener, first-time caller. So, I I understand the point you you are making there, Zach. What I I think you're overlooking is that the the stakes for that rivalry game, for the Brawl of the Wild, between the two teams in the regular season, that didn't change for those fan base. I don't think Ohio State and Michigan would suddenly be content losing to the other, or USC-UCLA or Oregon-Washington or any other of the rivalries that that the Big Ten has.

[00:18:53]What I do contend is that the national interest in a game like that is lessened dramatically when you know, both these teams are going to the playoffs.

[00:19:05]And there's a bunch of great college football that gets played in awesome environments at the FCS level. How many of us tune in until the playoffs?

[00:19:14]Now Zach, for you and I it's literally part of our other jobs in a play-by-play capacity, but it's never bit they've had this 2014 playoff forever and guess what? More people watch the higher level of college football where the regular season urgency is maximized to the fullest extent. We're just moving towards becoming the NFL and I think that I think that stinks. The one thing that I've kind of brought up before is what what what makes something more valuable? It is not by having more availability, it's scarcity.

[00:19:49]Scarcity makes something more valuable, makes something more dear.

[00:19:52]>> Supply and demand right here, right here. Supply and demand. We all remember those charts from Econ class in college.

[00:19:58]You increase supply, price or value goes down. Anyway.

[00:20:03]UCLA, any value on over six and a half there? Yark You can you can start us off when we get back.

[00:20:15]Perhaps to the surprise of many, the analytics and odds makers like UCLA a good amount. Zach, six and a half the win total for your Bruins this year. For those who don't have it memorized, they start at Cal in what I'm dubbing the Calamoni Bowl.

[00:20:35]Then they play San Diego State, then they play Purdue at Maryland, pretty workable start, at Oregon, Wisconsin, Michigan State, Nevada, at Minnesota, Illinois, at Michigan, and then USC. Six and a half wins. Make your case for the over here.

[00:20:56]Hammer the over all your money and if you go broke, it's because you didn't put in enough money. I don't know because you UCLA the The game for me isn't some middle game in the schedule.

[00:21:09]We'll know a lot about UCLA by that first game. It's two first-year head coaches at Cal, and if UCLA wins that game, they have a path to start 3 and 0, 4 and 0, hosting San Diego State, playing Purdue, playing at Maryland. Bob Chesney in his first year at JMU put up a bunch of points at North Carolina, and that was with a bunch of players already taken to Indiana by Kurt Cignetti. So, I expect a similar takeover from Chesney to UCLA. I see improvements in every area, especially coaching in X's and O's. Their quarterback is the same.

[00:21:42]Maybe the hesitation is the O-line, but I still think a lot better play in front and beside Nico and all around with much better coaching, cohesion. It It should be seven wins or somewhat of a disappointment for UCLA this year.

[00:21:58]Mark, do you hear the pearl clutching there by Yacht Zeimer? Seven wins or it's a letdown for a program that hasn't won seven games since Chip Kelly left.

[00:22:09]>> In 2 years.

[00:22:11]So, Cal has a quarterback with a name that I can't pronounce than UCLA.

[00:22:16]>> Elijah Ialava. I can pronounce Ialava. I can't pronounce Cal's quarterback, who I just think is a better Yeah. Well, yeah. Jaden Ott is better than he is He is better than Nico.

[00:22:27]So, that was I'm very proud of you for that pronunciation.

[00:22:31]Um So, you look at Cal, that's going to be a You're You're bringing in the the the first-year coaching thing.

[00:22:39]You're on the road, you're at Cal, you're paying Cal. Cal, I think, is still better than UCLA this year.

[00:22:45]You talk about getting on, you know, opening up 4 and 0. There's a good chance you can be 3 and 1 when you get to Oregon.

[00:22:53]But, 4 and 0 is probably pushing it.

[00:22:56]You're a six-win team this year.

[00:22:58]And that means you doubled last year's win total.

[00:23:02]You should ride that into the sunset, go to a bowl game.

[00:23:06]And this is what I was going to tell you, you know, we had this we had a conversation earlier when we did we did a crossover show and I told you the best thing for the rivalry would be for UCLA to start recruiting better. Well, congratulations.

[00:23:20]You guys are doing it, but those players aren't available this year. That class you guys are getting all, you know, hot and heavy over.

[00:23:27]They're not available this year. They're a year to two years away.

[00:23:31]So, take the six wins, ride the momentum and uh we'll see you in 2027 see how good UCLA can really be. Mark is going under six and a half. Craig, what do you make of a decently workable schedule for the Bruins? You've got Oregon, you've got Michigan on there, but no Ohio State, no Indiana, could be worse. Could be. First of all, for the record, uh the last time you individually texted me was on January 27th telling me that >> said I did not I did not tell you the dates of when those texts were sent. I just don't forget.

[00:24:04]>> Hold on. Hold on. You corrected me.

[00:24:06]Apparently, you actually watched one of my podcasts. You said I pronounced Sam Nots name wrong. I did the G is silent.

[00:24:12]And then I gave you a thumbs up emoji cuz it was 1:15 in the morning my time.

[00:24:17]>> [laughter] >> So, I did respond.

[00:24:19]Now, back to UCLA.

[00:24:23]Uh I worked it I I I like the Texans. I worked the schedule backward and I came up with six and then I was on that first game with Cal. That's the number. I Uh they get it, they're over. They don't get it, they're under. But I I got them at six. So, I guess put me down for just a hair under. I do expect a nice turnaround. I think Bob Chestney's a good uh coach and a great recruiter, apparently. So, I think good things are coming for UCLA, finally. Yeah, apparently. Agreed.

[00:24:51]>> scraps are really good players. You're going to do just fine, UCLA.

[00:24:56]We'll go take some of that water from you. That was that was that was that was a good one. That was a good one, Mark.

[00:25:02]Isaiah, dare you take the over here for the Bruins?

[00:25:06]I initially was going to, but just the more I think about it, I I've got the under. They've got five road games.

[00:25:12]That's always just difficult. Um Cal is just that type of team and to start you off where you just kind of know that like Cal's going to probably play above their weight class in week one. They just always seem to. Kind of doesn't matter what the regime is.

[00:25:27]They're just like no one really looks at them and then before you know it, oh, Cal's actually kind of doing some things before they fall apart.

[00:25:34]And then weirdly, like I kind [clears throat] of talked about with Maryland, I know, it's Maryland, but like Maryland in in the first month of the year tends to be like, well, look at Maryland. You're like, They've got to go to 4-0.

[00:25:50]So, sorry. Um but I think that like that's that's a difficult game, especially if you're if you do if even if you do beat Cal, like you got to go to Maryland, you got that Oregon game.

[00:26:03]I mean, at Minnesota's not easy. Playing at home against Illinois's not easy. So, I I've got I'm also at six, honestly.

[00:26:11]Yeah, I'm also on the uh the underside of this and I I'm glad you brought that up, Isaiah, because the more I looked at those final four games, the more I went, wait a minute, you're dogs in every single one of those games. Illinois is not to be trifled with. Minnesota on the road is certainly far from a cakewalk.

[00:26:29]Mark, any thoughts there? And then you go at Michigan, which is a significantly better team, and then you play USC, who's also a significantly better team.

[00:26:37]So, that combined with Oregon, to me, is a pretty easy five losses.

[00:26:46]And then you'd have to win every other game no stumbles against Pat Fitzgerald in his first year or Luke Fickell coaching for his life.

[00:26:55]Anywhere? Yeah, I'm I'm sorry Zach. You can have the final word, but I got to I got to go I got to go under here. I don't know that I'm making my Nico jersey bet that I did with Bruin fans last year, which was really fun cuz I had to shell out zero of my own dollars and zero further embarrassment for a take that came to be untrue.

[00:27:15]I don't know, maybe we should revive it again. You're you're you're hitting the under again. Maybe not as disrespectfully as you did last year, as you've done your entire Locked On career. Woah!

[00:27:27]You almost lost to Tim Mark, which is saying something cuz he's got a USC flag in the background. You've just got a a football, but I mean I maybe we have to make this again. If you're hammering the under just like >> Well, hold on. Let me let me let me let me point something out here. And why do you have a championship flag behind you for Oregon? I'm just curious. It just looks like a zero. One of those things doesn't belong in this picture.

[00:27:49]What did I do to Okay, I did take a shot at Craig earlier to be fair.

[00:27:54]>> [laughter] >> I was like, "What did I do?" Okay, maybe like maybe maybe a little bit in there, but Zach, as as Craig and I have learned in this show, technology stores for a very long time.

[00:28:07]>> [laughter] >> We can go way back. There was a point in time in my career on this network in which I picked UCLA to win 10 regular season games, and they won nine.

[00:28:22]That was a darn good prediction, and then everything went haywire, and I cast them aside, and I was right.

[00:28:31]What are you, Mr. Peabody and Sherman?

[00:28:32]Is that the way back machine? Is that the movie? Is that the movie? Come on.

[00:28:36]Come on. Go back blast to the past and realize past mistakes don't produce wins.

[00:28:42]>> any mistakes. I've been right there. I have been right there on UCLA's record 2 years in a row. My pulse for the Bruins is unmatched. Absolutely unmatched. And I'm not Look, right now in in towards the end of May, I'm on the under. Maybe you'll win me over in the next couple of months. Good luck, pal.

[00:29:01]>> three crossovers. Bring it.

[00:29:04]I'm fascinated with UCLA this year.

[00:29:06]I I I might see Look at that. That's how interested UCLA is. Even Marcus fascinated. And you should be. You should be. What has hap What has happened off the field can raise interest on the field and I think that's the case for Bob Chesney right now.

[00:29:18]Isaiah Hole locked on Wolverines, Craig Sheman locked on Big 10, Mark Kolkin locked on USC, Zach Anderson Yaxheimer locked on UCLA. I'm Spencer McLaughlin from Locked On you know, wherever. We appreciate everyone listening. We'll see you next time. Until then, hope you all have a wonderful rest of your day.