Andrew Gold, Paul Mason & The Racism Debate

Added: 2026-05-10

[00:00:02]Hi, my name is Tom and this is my channel, Integral Views. So, today I want to watch and review this interview between journalist Paul Mason and Andrew Gold on Ian Dale's LBC show. So, the reason I want to check this out, and this is something from January, right, but it's doing the rounds again on X for some reason. But the reason I want to check this out is because it really demonstrates it's like an encapsulation of this this uh ideology that exists within the liberal elite that has led to a lot of the issues and division that we have in the country in in Britain at the moment. And it's just this really nice kind of encapsulation of that failed ideology that's been in power for multiple decades. So before we go into the interview, Paul Mason is a journalist who's written for the Guardian and he's written for the spectator and uh yeah many other publications right he's also edited various I think he was an editor for economics for News night at one point so he is part of this liberal media mainstream media elite okay and he's in various think tanks and he's influential etc and he's kind of associated with the Labour party has at times described himself as a real Marxist, right, socialist. And then of course, Andrew Gold is the YouTuber who I would call a centrist. Um, so he's popular on YouTube, of course, and he interviews a lot of people, expressing a sort of talking about a lot of the cultural issues that we have in the United Kingdom. I'm sure a lot of people watching this already know who Andrew Gold is, and probably a lot don't know who Paul Mason is. All right. Um, so yeah, this interview took place on Ian Dale's show on LBC, so let's have a look at it.

[00:01:44]People like me have fought racism for decades. What have you done?

[00:01:48]>> Well, I've I've not been alive.

[00:01:49]>> You're just a podcaster, aren't you?

[00:01:51]You're just a podcast.

[00:01:53]>> So, isn't that interesting? Notice how Paul Mason is aggressive. So, he's belittling Andrew Gold. This is a defense tactic. And we'll go through the psychology of why he's doing that a bit later. But notice he's saying, "You're just a podcaster." Andrew Gold is an incredibly influential individual. and to get to where Andrew Gold is now within this highly competitive media landscape. Yeah, it's not it's basically very very challenging and difficult to achieve what he's managed to achieve. So to say you're just right. So is Joe Rogan just a podcaster? Actually, it takes an incredible amount of work, right, to to get to that position? And yeah, they're incredibly influential in politics in many different ways. So actually Paul Mason with his mainstream media connections and think tank connections and elite political connections becoming increasingly irrelevant. Uh but yeah so Paul Mason is belittling Andrew Gold and that is a defensive response that is aggression.

[00:02:54]So we'll go through the psychology of that a bit later but let's carry on.

[00:02:57]>> Well I don't judge people by their skin color racism.

[00:03:01]>> I can say I don't judge God in your life to fight racism. Even if we try Paul, even if we try and pretend that you what you said wasn't explicitly racist. Okay, let's say it wasn't racist by judging people by their skin color. What Kimmy Bon is trying to do is establish a center right to write uh traditional conservatism that belongs in this country that has roots in this country and the people who don't like it are a bunch of farright nutcases who uh what don't like that and they're leaving.

[00:03:27]Great.

[00:03:28]>> Okay. So he's he's saying you know uh he's praising Kem Bezen right now. The thing is that actually the conservative party policies are very similar to reform. So you know I think he he can't really do it on the basis of of uh of political policy because Kemy's definitely moved the party much more in the direction of reform. So now what I think's going on here is that you know uh Paul is actually having a hard time because Kem is a minority ethnicity and so he is reluctant to criticize that kind of this is I get that sense. Now also what Paul said is anyone who's moved away from the Conservative party is I think he said farright nutcase something like that. So what he's saying is that the majority well the leading political party in the polls is reform.

[00:04:20]So most people will vote for reform.

[00:04:21]They're likely to form the next government. So Paul Mason is describing the the majority of the country as far nutcases. Okay. Please carry on Paul with your wisdom. We have the leader of the opposition party is a woman, you know, who is Nigerian in origin and and is black and we had a home secretary who's black under the Conservatives and we've now got a home secretary who's a Muslim under Labour. What a brilliant country. This >> interesting, isn't it? So, you know, he's basically constantly focusing on that as if this just wonderful. Yeah, it now I I'll talk about that again later, but it's like he's talking about her ethnicity and then he's talking about, oh, we've got Muslim now and a woman and and u you know, non-white and so these are just always positive. So, but he's very very focused on ethnicity. Um, and it's really interesting. This is this unconscious bias that is actually happening. It's so interesting that on the left they use these terms that basically apply to their ideology, but they use them incorrectly. So unconscious bias is definitely going on with Paul because he wouldn't say that, you know, with regard to any uh with Caucasian um ethnicity. Okay. And so the way that manifested in culture is that you then always have celebrating and putting forward of certain ethnicities, right? In certain cultures that are always not the the majority in Britain.

[00:05:46]And so that creates division obviously.

[00:05:49]Anyway, yeah, let's carry on.

[00:05:51]is it's reform and it's politics of hate that wants to tear that all apart.

[00:05:56]>> Paul, you were saying that you know anyone to the right of them or anyone with reform or what bunch of nut cases and then you also preach tolerance.

[00:06:03]You're really insulting a large part of this population and ignoring their cons.

[00:06:07]>> That's a great point. Andrew is absolutely right. So Paul has insulted the m a large number of people in the country and he's insulted Andrew Gold already. It's a quite an insulting man, isn't he?

[00:06:18]>> Insulting the nut cases. No, only the political nut cases. The ones >> who would join the the party that most people would vote for.

[00:06:25]>> The people leaving are the people who are always borderline or explicit racists.

[00:06:32]>> Wow. Wow. What a thing to say. So if you left the Conservative party, you went to reform, then you're racist. What an um reform are not racist. Look, I mean look at Zia Ysef, okay? He's Muslim. He's non-white and he's very very dominant.

[00:06:49]He's a a key figure in reform and Suela Braverman as well. I mean, what is Paul on? He's completely out of this world crazy. Um, it's a ridiculous thing to say, but it just shows how they've become completely obsessed with these categories and then extended them out way beyond where they should be. So, they've gone way past um, you know, like a center ground and into this this you know, complete mis misinterpretation effectively. Okay, just so basically he said everyone who's left and moved to reform and people and therefore voters as well, their nutcase is there moving to reform and they're racist. So everyone Wow, that's a large number of people in the in the country, isn't it? Um and a lot of them are not Caucasian. Yeah. So who support reform.

[00:07:37]So what is he on about for a political elite think tanker who supposedly educated and edited who writes for all of these media institutions? He seems incredibly poorly informed. It kind of feels like in a weird way, I mean, it kind of feels like he's in a bubble, doesn't it? It feels like he's in a little elite bubble. All right, carry on.

[00:08:00]>> And that's the whole minute you racist party.

[00:08:03]>> Danny Krueger, I think that's really unfair.

[00:08:05]>> I think Danny Krueger, National Conservative, he's laid it all out.

[00:08:08]>> Sella, Sella's a racist.

[00:08:10]>> What the >> Danny Krueger is a civic nationalist. I I doubt that Paul Mason knows what that means, but Danny Krueger is a civic nationalist um and absolutely not racist whatsoever. So again, just a ridiculous.

[00:08:24]So again, so what Paul's doing is he's saying that any form of nationalism whatsoever or pride or patriotism is racism. You see the conflation? Yeah.

[00:08:34]It's it's insane. So effectively people with Paul Mason's worldview call all forms of ingroup preference for the majority group in Britain um they call that racist or or something like that.

[00:08:47]Okay along one of those ists but the thing is that you know that's just factually objectively incorrect. So let's carry on.

[00:08:57]>> Rwanda scheme was racist. Absolutely.

[00:09:00]>> The Rwanda scheme was racist. Howal, what are you talking about? It's not based on ethnicity. This is it. I can't believe that people like Paul have been in in uh positions of great influence.

[00:09:15]And doesn't this tell you so much about what happens what's happened to our country and how we've ended up in the situation we've ended up in that people like this have been editing uh for news programs, right, for News Night and writing in influential journals. He is a journalist and yet his understanding of the world and philosophy in general is so poor and you just you just know that there's so many people like Paul all the way through all of these different positions. Let's carry on.

[00:09:43]>> Talking about politicians right now and you're the only one that's been talking about their skin color.

[00:09:47]>> I tell you why I'm talking about the skin color because I'm very very proud of this country being able to have people of multi-thnic and multiffaith because I grew up in a white society that was racist and I know how hard >> you think this society is racist. Yes, they do. And I'll tell you why.

[00:10:01]>> How do we have leaders of parties who are >> And what Paul is doing is driving and amplifying that racism. And I'll I'll explain how that functions later, but absolutely he's driving it in real time.

[00:10:13]And his ideology is absolutely driving it, amplifying it, causing it different >> because people like me have fought racism for decades. What have you done?

[00:10:22]>> No, you've created not been alive, aren't you?

[00:10:26]>> You're just a podcaster.

[00:10:27]>> Well, I don't judge people by their skin color. I can fight racism. I can say that I don't judge in your life racism.

[00:10:32]>> Even if we try, Paul, even if we try and pretend that you what you said wasn't explicitly racist. Okay, let's say it wasn't racist by judging people by their skin color. Okay, for let me I just want to say >> I'm judging I'm judging Kimmy Bay by her performance >> and her skin color.

[00:10:45]>> By her no politics. I've said it's brilliant that we have a black leader of the opposition.

[00:10:50]>> Okay, so you admit that. Okay, good.

[00:10:52]Well, we know that what you said in my opinion that's racist, but okay. You don't think it is?

[00:10:55]>> Fine. Good.

[00:10:56]So notice it's that constant focus that this endless focus on ethnicity. Okay, this is really interesting.

[00:11:06]So really interesting and just a perfect encapsulation of what's gone wrong. And now what I want to do is just dig into the psychology of it and just explain how it manifests from my perspective and what what Paul is basically doing, right? and and this is just you know Paul is an example of many many other people across the country. This is the the bubble the elite bubble that have been driving culture and have driven us to where we are now. So basically I'm going to look at it from Paul's personal psychology perspective. So first of all the what I want to explain quickly is that there's something called stage development right within developmental psychology. We go through these stages through our lives. Um, and so you could look at like Robert Keegan or Jane Levenger's stages of development. And one of those stages of development could be called ethnosentricity and that's where you have a very strong association with your inroup whatever that may be.

[00:12:03]And this is very prevalent within teenagers. That's why you see gangs and bullying and all of that kind of thing.

[00:12:09]But then you move beyond you can move beyond that stage ethnosentric into other stages. individualistic and then which would be associated with liberalism and then you've got subjective which would be associated or collectivist which is associated with subjectivism and postmodernism. Okay.

[00:12:27]So the thing is that individuals will often go through these stages of development in their life, right? And you can go through a certain stage and not integrate elements of that stage within your psyche. So the way that this is functioning for Paul, right? So he gets into this ethnosentric stage of development maybe as a teenager or a young adult and he's very much associated with an ingroup an ingroup belonging his ingroup right and then one element within that or a pathological form of that ingroup belonging is is racism so what's happened with Paul is that his own racism is disintegrated within his psyche so it's basically split off and it hasn't been integrated into the ego, right, in consciousness in the later stages of of development, psychological development. So, it's like a split off in the mind effectively. So, what I'm saying here is that basically Paul is has unconscious racism within himself and then he's overcompensating for it and externalizing it. Right? And to explain this, I'm now going to touch on some Yungian psychology. So, Carl Jung, right? So basically what's happened is that there is this unconscious material that becomes shadow material in the mind. It's not conscious, it becomes unconscious and then it impacts our life and uh racism.

[00:13:52]So Paul's imagine a little version of Paul who's a raging racist. Okay. And that version of Paul as he went through those stages of development in his psychological yeah development through life that little racist version of Paul didn't get addressed bought into consciousness interrogated and then integrated into a cohesive conscious ego that then moved into the higher stages of development that followed that ethnosentric stage. Instead it got split off and it is hated by the conscious ego. So it is disowned. So that version, that little racist version of Paul that exists is unconscious shadow element that he's not aware of, that he hates in himself. So he hates that part of himself. He hasn't interrogated it. He hasn't bought it into consciousness into the light and then integrated it into the ego and really, you know, basically um confronted it. Okay? And as a result, it's there in the background basically impacting his life in many ways. And as a result of this, he then has to overcompensate to distance himself or his self sense of ego away from that little um disintegrated split off shadow element racist Paul that exists in his little unconscious mind. Understand? And then what happens is that this little racist version of Paul that still exists unconsciously in his mind in his in in the shadow. It's unconscious. He's not aware of it. then it gets projected externally onto other people where he then attacks it. Okay? And that's why he gets defensive and why he gets aggressive when talking about this because so if you think about he was saying, "Oh, I'm so proud and so happy that we have non-white leaders and is celebrated." Yeah. He's basically very very happy because what that's doing is he's dissociating himself from that little unconscious racist version of himself. He's saying that's not me. This is me. This good me. Yeah. this new me, this conscious ego that's not that not that nasty racist shadow pool that exists. So he's basically creating this distance. He's dissociating from that.

[00:16:02]And then that for him is a way of showing that he is virtuous. Okay. Now um this is this manifests as um like an overcompensation.

[00:16:12]So it's still racist, but it's racist in the other way. And that's why he's so focused on it because he hasn't integrated it. And so it's still like this pending issue, this continuous issue that still exists within his mind conscious uh unconsciously all of the time. So basically it's there. It's not resolved. It's not integrated. And as a result, it's still there noring all the time, which is why there's always this hyperfocus on it. The first thing he'll think about chemok is her ethnicity.

[00:16:42]He's thinking of it's like a lens that he sees everything through unconsciously all of the time because it's unresolved internal psychological material. And as I said often to disown even further what will happen and this is Yian psychology that shadow self will get projected. So it's like seeing a mirror okay and often you'll even distort other people in order to um to to give a reflection of that inner self that's disintegrated in the psyche. So I use Tommy Robinson as an example, okay? Because he's he often is the target for this. So Tommy Robinson is not a racist. A lot of like his movement is actually multithnic. I know I've been to the marches and he's very very overtly like that. Yeah. He's very much not a racist. He doesn't focus on ethnicity. He focuses on culture, on Islam. So calling him a racist is literally a mischaracterization. The same applies to Nigel Farage. The same applies to basically everyone in the Reform Party and many other parties by the way on the right. Okay. So, so effectively what happens is that people will mischaracterize Tommy Robinson as a racist in order for them to project their unresolved psychological racism within themselves that they haven't integrated into consciousness onto someone else and then they will attack it. but they're actually attacking that version of themselves that they dislike and hate so much that they've shut it off and haven't bought it into into their own psyche into their own consciousness or ego. Okay. So they're basically seeing that that sha. So for Paul it would be like that little racist version of Paul that's still there in the unconscious mind that hasn't been integrated properly that is then he then sees that unconsciously within other people as a mischaracterization that isn't correct and then he attacks himself that version of himself as that other person. So this is like Yian psychology, Yian projection of the unconscious mind. So Paul is a really fantastic example there, but there are many right across the country, right across culture. This happens all of the time. It's like this psychological issue, this cultural philosophical issue that's going on. Okay? And the way that you can basically spot it is this this overcompensation, this hyperfixation and continuous focus on ethnicity. Okay? but always in one direction, never in the other, never celebrating their own ethnicity. So, it also is kind of neurotic. It's tied in with a kind of self-hatred. Everything that is about that uh you are about, so your ethnicity, your culture, um your history, all of those kinds of things, there's a there's a a self-hatred that's kind of tied in with it all as well. So, yeah. So you can you can identify it through that kind of overcompensation and then you know like these anti-racism movements are part of that but at the same time people who are into the anti-racism movements who are minority ethnicities they're just outwardly promoting and supporting their own their own uh how they see themselves and their tribe. Okay. So in a way it's their own form of racism as well. Yeah. Because they're pushing forward for their ethnic group. Um, so it's a bit of a complex situation, but yeah, often it's like a mischaracterization of events, um, a mischaracterization of other people. So when you hear people say Tommy Robinson is a racist, have they thought about it?

[00:20:12]Yeah. Have they actually examined that?

[00:20:15]And why would they be saying that? It basically gives them, as I said, like this opportunity to attack a version of themselves that they have not integrated into their psyche. Yeah. Basically distancing themselves. So also like the when when these individuals do that and they can project that version of themselves out onto someone else is basically an exercise of showing this is not me. This hateful thing is not me.

[00:20:41]That's you know and it's a version of themselves. Yeah. So there it's like that's why they think it's virtuous and positive, but of course it's not because it causes division. When you hyperfixate on ethnicity endlessly only in one direction, what do you think's going to happen? What do do you think that's positive for society? Martin Martin Luther King Jr. would not be happy with that. Okay. So when Paul Mason says, "I've been fighting racism all my life," basically what he's been doing is really this form of projection and then overcompensation, which is actually driving and amplifying racism within the country. Look at where we're at, Paul.

[00:21:21]Look at the division across the country.

[00:21:23]Look at the results of what you're doing, okay? And what you and all of your mates in your liberal elite circles, yeah, uh in media and in politics and think tanks, look at what you've actually created. All of this mass migration is overcompensation and so is illegal migration because you're not protecting right the culture that you inherited that was handed to you on a silver platter by previous generations that fought died worked suffered for you handed these perfect conditions and what do you do? You develop this collective psychological schism and then inflict it on the rest of society. And we see this all of the time. Okay. So for example, Disney, Netflix, you name it, any sort of big platform for media content, they will have black stories or you'll have Black History Month, but you won't have white stories and you won't have white history month. Okay, it's this endless focus on ethnicity, but only in one direction, only celebrating minorities.

[00:22:25]Is that really like what do you think's going to happen if you do that endlessly? you are going to make it okay and encourage and amplify this idea of focusing tribally on your ethnicity. And so, of course, you're going to get other groups who do that. And that's exactly what we're seeing. So, whose fault is it? It's people like Paul Mason. It's people like him who are just right the way through media organizations, through politics, through culture, who have failed, who are their entire ideology has failed. So what people like Paul Mason and he's got lot like Karma, Lord Herma, so many of these people who are in these elite positions, right, and think tanks etc. What they have created is literal institutionalized racism and sexism. Yeah, that's what they've done. The Equalities Act of 2010 in the name of diversity, equity, and inclusion. It allows for legalized discrimination on the basis of ethnicity and gender. Right. um in order to to pursue these equalities of outcomes. So if you have underrepresented groups in certain roles or fields, you name it, then you can discriminate on the basis of ethnicity and gender. This is overcompensation. You know that pendulum, that pendulum is swung way past where it should be. It's where it's swung way past the center. And you know what pendulums tend to do? They tend to swing back. Okay? So when the pendulum swings back, whose fault is it?

[00:23:50]Paulmasons and many other people just like Paul throughout society. Luckily though, we've got new platforms like this, like YouTube, and we've got people like Andrew Gold and Sargon of Akad and many others who are just way way more advanced in terms of their philosophical understanding of what's happening.

[00:24:08]They're challenged a lot more. They're not just in echo chambers. They are exposed to a lot more information. Okay?

[00:24:14]And so I think that really people like Paul are just has been dinosaurs. Like get out of here. Yeah. you're done. You messed up, right? You caused an incredibly terrible situation and now the next generations have to come along and clean up your mess. And it's very very difficult to do, right? But unfortunately, we now have to confront the issues that you have created. Okay?

[00:24:33]And let's just keep um in mind how serious this cultural situation is right now. What people like Paul have done if they've they've allowed the infiltration of individuals through our borders, illegal migrants, dangerous men, okay, by through this overcompensation, right? What they've done is they have allowed the importation of these dangerous men and then distributed them all around our country. Not just illegal though, legal as well. that has led to just terrible crimes happening in the grooming gang scandal that then they didn't want to confront because it didn't align with their naive and incorrect worldviews that they have. So they just allowed it to continue the worst possible crimes imaginable.

[00:25:18]Failure failure of your ideology and just you failed as people in my opinion.

[00:25:23]You've taken what was a great culture and a great nation. Yeah. and you've just utterly destroyed it through your poor philosophical understanding of the world. All right, I think I've come down hard enough on Paul Mason. Yeah, but it really annoys me. It really annoys me what these people have done to this country. And uh yeah, look, they need to be told cuz this is the truth. This is what they're doing. Yeah, this is what they've always done. They've just got it completely wrong. Okay, so that's it for today. Um, all right. Look, uh, if you like the video, please like it and please subscribe to my channel if you're not already and you'd like to hear more from me. And then there's a buy me a coffee link in the description of this video. Hyping the video helps me out a lot. Please do it if you want to. And also for my existing subscribers and viewers, you might notice I'm trying a few different sort of setups with my my camera and my background. Just trying things out. Uh, leave your comments and let me know what you think. I'd be really interested. I'm just trying different things out. All right. Thanks so much for watching. Until next time.

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