One Israeli Gets Cooked by 20 Pro Palestinians

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[00:00:00]If a Palestinian commits a blows up a bus, is that is that justified?

[00:00:03]>> You can't debate Zionists in good faith.

[00:00:05]You just can't. You have to debate You have to play their game because they they play the technically game. They'll take whatever definition that you say it is, even if it's the official definition, he'll take it and he'll say that's not really what it is. It's technically this. And Israel isn't doing this. Israel's doing this. How's it going everyone? Today we are reacting to a video that Jubilee put out that is one Israeli versus 20 pro-Palestinians. This is just the first segment of that video.

[00:00:30]If you want to see more, make sure to like and subscribe and let me know if you want to see more of this claim is that Israel isn't committing a genocide or apartheid, which is a bit funny, but it is very heavily biased towards it.

[00:00:40]So, I'm not going to yap any further. If you want to see more of this video, let me know in the comments below. But for now, enjoy the video. It's been more than 2 years since October 7th when Hamas attacked Israel, killing over 1,200 innocent people and taking hundreds of hostages. The war that followed has devastated Gaza, killing over 70,000 Palestinians.

[00:00:59]>> Who Who killed the 70,000 Palestinians?

[00:01:01]>> I love how this is the way I'm talking about the the the bias. It's already being shown by this host where he talked about how Hamas did this and they killed or they they killed 12 1,200 people and they took hostages. And then they say the war that followed killed 70,000 Palestinians. Who killed the 70,000 Palestinians?

[00:01:20]>> Peace now rests on a ceasefire that many believe will not hold. So, where do we go from here? I'm Rudy Rochman. I'm a Jewish and Israeli rights activist and today I'm surrounded by 20 pro-Palestinian activists who completely disagree with me. My first surrounded claim is that Israel is not committing apartheid or genocide.

[00:01:35]>> How are we 2 and 1/2 years into this genocide? By the way, 78 years since the Nakba. How are we 2 and 1/2 years into this genocide and we're still debating whether or not it's a genocide?

[00:01:45]>> So, before [clears throat] I start, I want to lay some groundwork. I want to start with a working definition of genocide, some legal and historical examples, and then I want to demonstrate Israel's intent.

[00:01:56]>> Please tell me he lets him define what what the genocide is because the problem is that when you're debating with Zionists is you can't debate Zionists in good faith. You just can't.

[00:02:05]You have to debate you have to play their game because they they play the technically game. They'll take whatever definition that you say it is even if it's the official definition, he'll take it and he'll say that's not really what it is. It's technically this. And Israel isn't doing this. Israel's doing this.

[00:02:21]If you don't believe me by the way, this is this is something that's baked into Jewish orthodoxy by the way. It's not and I'm not being anti-Semitic saying this. You can see it themselves. They play the technically game all the time with their own with with religion with God. So and an example of this is in Jewish orthodoxy when a woman is married, she has to cover her hair so only her husband can see her hair. So the way that they go around this is that they get a wig to wear that looks exactly or is sometimes even better than their own hair to wear when they go outside. So they're technically covering their hair.

[00:02:51]>> She's getting married and she's going to wear this wig. In Jewish tradition, your hair is considered sacred after you get married. It is becoming an intimate part of you and needs to be covered. A wig feels like the best of both worlds when it comes to covering your hair. You get to participate in the custom while still feeling like yourself.

[00:03:07]>> disagree with playing technically like that. But if that's the way you want to live your life, fair enough. But you have to understand that they implement this in everything they do. So if you give him the opportunity to do that to you, you automatically lose the debate because it doesn't matter if you're right, he managed to play technically with you.

[00:03:24]>> policies of genocide and then the results. So in terms of a working definition of genocide, it would be to destroy with the intent to destroy a group in whole or in part. Some historical elite >> Just real quick, that is the that is the official definition by the United Nations.

[00:03:40]And I guarantee you he'll play technically with this. We'll see.

[00:03:43]>> legal analogies that I think are analogous to the case of Gaza is the case in Bosnia where the Bosnian Serb army killed 8,000 men and boys. This was ruled to be a genocide by the ICJ.

[00:03:54]Another 30,000 women and children were forced to flee. This was done so to facilitate an ethnic cleansing. So, murder under the laws of war to motivate a population to be ethnically cleansed.

[00:04:06]In terms of Israel's intense, Benjamin Netanyahu said it plainly and clearly last year under testimony with the Foreign Affairs Committee of the Knesset. He said, "We're destroying more and more houses. Sooner or later they'll have nothing go back to go back to to.

[00:04:20]Our problem right now is just finding a country that's going to take uh >> So, that's that's that's pretty good of Jubilee, actually. They did do a fact check here. May 2025, Benjamin Netanyahu was reported to by Israel media to have told the closed Knesset Committee that Israel is destroying more and more houses in Gaza Gaza I'm saying both Arabic and English here.

[00:04:40]In Gaza and Palestinians accordingly, nowhere to run. Those those brackets really threw me off. According to the quotes from the session leaked to the media, he went on to say the only obvious result would be Gazans choosing to emigrate outside of the strip.

[00:04:53]Netanyahu continued, "But our main problem is finding countries to take them in." Okay, so he So, yeah, this guy is this guy is good. He knows his stuff.

[00:04:59]>> Palestinian re- >> And it's kind of good that Jubilee is is is is is fact-checking it.

[00:05:05]>> Our problem right now is just finding a country that's going to take uh the Palestinian refugees. So, they're murdering Palestinians in Gaza in mass to attempt to uh bring about the demise of the Gaza population, create conditions unfit for human existence by decimating civilian infrastructure uh etc. Now, in terms of a policy >> He's letting him talk.

[00:05:26]>> to the Where's Daddy program uh >> Why is this guy just emoting in the background? I I I I cannot focus.

[00:05:33]>> Now, in terms of a policy, we can look to the Where's Daddy program uh that's being used by Israeli intelligence through a Lavender AI system where they spot what they suspect to be low-level Hamas operatives, bomb them when they're at home with their family. So, you can't claim Hamas is using Palestinians as human shields when most of what Israel's actually doing is targeting who they suspect to be low-level Hamas operatives when they're with their family. This is backed up by the demographic data.

[00:06:01]Reuters uh pointed to the fact that over 1,300 families >> I just realized my camera is is is blocking the fact check. Hold on. Sorry.

[00:06:10]Let me move that.

[00:06:12]>> have been wiped out in Gaza. Sometimes as much as four generations of Palestinian families are being wiped out, sometimes as large as 14 members of a Palestinian family is being wiped out.

[00:06:22]So, again, we have policy and then we look to the effects. 65 doctors wrote in the New York Times in a guest opinion essay, doctors that are um observing in Gaza, they're uh participating, they're volun- uh they're volunteering in Gaza.

[00:06:35]We don't have international journalists in Gaza, so the extent to which our international testimonies are often from these doctors, paramedics, and nurses.

[00:06:42]What they described >> So, let let me let me All right. All right, he's going to he's going to pause the video because he said a lot of information. The The thing is, this guy this guy knows knows what he's talking about. Very clearly structured, well-structured. The problem here is again, and I'm pretty sure that Rudy's going to do this because if you watch any Zionist debate, and that is why you cannot debate Zionists in good faith. If you watch any Zionist debate, they play the technically game, and he will play technically. He will say something along the lines of that might be true where where Palestinians are being killed en masse, but it's technically not a genocide because this and that. We'll see.

[00:07:19]>> Let me tell you uh you said a lot of things. Yeah, sure, go for it.

[00:07:21]>> So, first of all, I'm against the murder of any individual person living in Gaza.

[00:07:26]I see Palestinians as my family, as my cousins. If I see another individual who's, let's say, from America or Palestinian, I will automatically feel more connected to a Palestinian. We have mostly the same ancestry, we're connected to the same land, and our descendants will be eternally connected to one another. So, whenever I see a Palestinian innocent life taken, that is a horrible tragedy.

[00:07:45]>> The only time where his actually makes sense here.

[00:07:49]>> You're saying it's a tragedy that that whenever a Palestinian life is taken, but you're sitting here and you're playing defense for the IDF.

[00:07:56]And then Israel bombing conflict bombing and committing a genocide and saying it's not committing a genocide.

[00:08:02]>> You got something wrong from the very beginning. That genocide is the intent to eliminate a population. Now, you not might not be successful. They were not >> Did I Did Did I call it or not call it? He's playing the technically.

[00:08:19]He's playing the technically and Jubilee actually fact checks him here. Under Article 2 of the Convention of the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, a genocide is defined as any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy in whole or in part a national, ethnical, racial, or religious group as such, killing members of the group or causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group. I mean I I mean, I don't know how you could argue that Israel is not committing a genocide under this definition.

[00:08:51]The problem that I have with Jubilee and this method though here is that they don't This guy doesn't fact check him right then and there. He doesn't go, "Hold on. Pause, Rudy.

[00:09:01]Actually according to fact check this isn't This is the definition of a genocide. What you're saying is not." He doesn't He doesn't do that. I'm I mean, I don't think so.

[00:09:11]>> not successful in many cases with Nazi Germany with the Armenians, but it was >> So, like he's being fact checked here, so we can the viewers watching can read this and see that he is being fact checked.

[00:09:21]But, the problem is is he's still allowed to to discuss and say how it's not a genocide because according to his definition of genocide is the intent to eliminate an entire population, which is just not true. That's not factual.

[00:09:33]Um Now, if I was the debater on the other side here, you could still salvage this by saying, "Well, okay, then technically by your definition, the Holocaust was not a genocide." Now, obviously I do believe it was a genocide. It was an attempt to It was definitely a genocide. The Holocaust was was abhorrent. It was a genocide. But, according to Rudy's definition, it is not a genocide.

[00:09:54]Right? Because how do you prove intent to eliminate an entire population?

[00:10:02]>> The intent to try to eliminate the population. Now, >> So, can I ask you then >> Let me Let me Do you Do you think that the Bosnian Serb army did not commit genocide in Serbia or in sorry, Bosnia?

[00:10:12]>> intent was to eliminate the entire population, then >> In my opinion, you shouldn't have you shouldn't I shouldn't have gone for a Bosnian Serb angle because you're not making it you you In this case, you need to you need to trip them up on what they're saying. One thing that that that always they will always go fall back onto is the Holocaust because it was it was a horrible event. It was a horrific event, for sure.

[00:10:34]And they continue to use it to justify their war crimes moving forward. So, you have to sort of trip them up on what they're saying. Like, well, in that case, then how do you prove that Hitler wanted to commit a genocide to to to the Jewish population, right? Because initially, Holocaust the Holocaust camps the the concentration camps were labor camps. They were slave labor camps, right? The Jews were being made to work in these camps like they were like they were they were a harsher form of prison.

[00:11:00]And then it only got to it only started being sort of like a killing camp much later on in the war where Germany started to lose quite hard, and they were losing land and resources, and they just couldn't afford to continue these slave labor camps. So, basically by decommissioning these camps, they were killing the killing the the the Jews in these camps.

[00:11:23]So, how do you say or show that they is that Germany Nazi Germany didn't or did commit a genocide when you can't prove that intent? We obviously know that the Holocaust is a genocide. We know that because the intent to destroy in whole or in part it caused bodily harm and they caused mental [clears throat] harm as well. And it's such a horrific event that left a generational trauma. Similarly, what's happening in Gaza right now. In in Gaza, the the systematic carpet bombing, targeting of safe safe areas that were designated safe zones, making Palestinians leave their homes, destroying infrastructure, hospitals, electricity, uh cutting off water, cutting off food, cutting off any medical aid. While you may not be killing them directly with the bombs you're throwing at them, you are killing them off by making sure that anything they have the the necessities they need to survive is not available to them. So, that is still you're still killing them. Right?

[00:12:21]That is the committing of a genocide.

[00:12:23]That's how you have to draw the parallels between the two because they won't understand unless you draw those two parallels together. Okay? Because by Rudy's definition of here, like I said, the Holocaust was not a genocide.

[00:12:33]>> It would be a genocide if the intent is to kill a lot of people in order to do ethnic cleansing, which is another thing, which is also problematic. Okay?

[00:12:40]>> So, you're so you're saying it's ethnic cleansing, not a genocide.

[00:12:43]>> No, I'm not saying what's going on is ethnic cleansing. I'm saying that there are individual politics >> I like I like this guy.

[00:12:48]>> who supports the idea of removing Palestinians >> I'm not talking about individual politicians. I'm talking about Benjamin Netanyahu, the Prime Minister.

[00:12:53]>> ethnic cleansing and I'm against that.

[00:12:55]>> And you agree that the quote I cited earlier would be would be the intent for ethnic cleansing, right?

[00:13:00]>> The way that you sourced it would be, but I don't think that that's actually what he said.

[00:13:03]>> That's what That's from Times of Israel.

[00:13:04]>> We should we should we should fact-check it and see the whole entire entire context.

[00:13:07]>> Okay, yeah. Fact-check it. So, so fact-check it. So, like so show fact-check it and show it because he's he's he's still allowed to spew this garbage.

[00:13:16]Like >> [clears throat] >> I I I don't understand how you can say, "Oh, if Benjamin is one is the words of one politician." No, it's the actions of the state. Israeli Minister of Defense, Yoav Gallant, made the statement October 9th, 2023 while announcing a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. He said, "We are fighting human a human animals and we act accordingly." He was saying this in in in in in in justifica- in justifying cutting off their electricity, cutting off their water supply, cutting off aid.

[00:13:45]That's what he was saying. I'm sorry, but it's not the words of one politician. It's It's the entire It's the actions of an entire state. The people of Israel came out and protested a right to rape Palestinian prisoners.

[00:13:59]Okay, like can can we please just stop with the with being so disingenuous about oh, it's just Benjamin Netanyahu.

[00:14:07]It's just But no, it's not. It's the entire state.

[00:14:10]Right?

[00:14:11]If it wasn't the entire state, IDF soldiers wouldn't be taking photos wearing wearing the the Palestinian women's lingerie. They wouldn't be sending making videos about them bombing houses in Palestine in Gaza. They wouldn't be They wouldn't be making a mockery out of this. The people in in in Israel that we've seen videos and I'll I'll find them and I'll put them in edit Hopefully it's a b-roll here.

[00:14:36]Where people in Israel were mocking the people dying in Palestine. So, don't sit there and tell me it's the words of one one minister, right? It isn't the words of one minister. It's or or prime minister. It's the actions of the entire colonial state.

[00:14:54]And the fact that he's able to sit there and say this and nobody can challenge it is why I I I genuinely don't think people should be debating Zionists.

[00:15:04]Because they This isn't a debate. This is This is just I Let me Let me spew my [ __ ] while wearing while while while while stealing Palestinian identity even more, bro.

[00:15:13]It's disgusting.

[00:15:14]>> If we find that Netanyahu quote if we find that Bibi Netanyahu has the intent to remove all the Palestinians from Gaza, I am against it. Now, that's ethnic cleansing.

[00:15:24]>> No one's asking if you're against it or if it's ethnic cleansing. We're saying it's a genocide.

[00:15:27]>> Yeah, okay. Okay.

[00:15:28]>> Okay. Great. So, we can source that.

[00:15:30]Amazing. And I can concede that point.

[00:15:32]>> that there's a difference between ethnic cleansing and genocide and that I'm against both.

[00:15:36]>> Just just just just real quick. Ethnic cleansing is a precursor to genocide.

[00:15:39]You can't perform a genocide without performing ethnic cleansing. What are we arguing here? What are we talking about?

[00:15:44]If you're against both, good for you.

[00:15:46]I'm happy for you. But that doesn't mean that Israel isn't committing it.

[00:15:49]>> Let's talk about the claim of it being genocide. Now, when we look at 2.2 million people living in Gaza and max number is 70,000 by Hamas records, which we know Hamas is constantly lying of how many people are dying for some >> But the the Gaza Health Ministry has been accurate about their numbers. And if anything, their reported numbers of their deaths have have been greatly under exaggerated. Is that a word? Is it under exaggerated? Because the the whole fact is Israel has debilitated the medical system there.

[00:16:22]So, they can't accurately report how many deaths there are. The deaths are actually more than 75,000. If Hamas always lies, why can't why is Israel not allowing independent journalists into into Gaza?

[00:16:37]Allow independent journalists to Gaza to accurately report it if you think Hamas is always lying. But the one thing that the whole world, including Israel, to be honest, agrees on is that the Gaza Health Ministry is has always been accurate. So, so again, and and this fact check is kind of interesting that it doesn't it does not break down deaths by specific cause and does not separate classified combatants from civilians. Well, those 72,000 deaths or 75,000 deaths were all combatants.

[00:17:01]Come on, man. We've all seen the clips.

[00:17:02]We've all seen the the the the death and destruction.

[00:17:06]We've seen civilians being bombed. I mean, Rafah. We saw the bomb We thought We saw the tents in Rafah being bombed.

[00:17:12]The last bastion of the last place where Palestinians were told they'd be safe.

[00:17:17]They had bombs dropped on their tents.

[00:17:20]You're like, come on, Jubilee.

[00:17:21]>> 70,000 people to have died. Also, this is in the past 2 years. There 5,000 people who are dying from natural causes every year, which is also included.

[00:17:28]>> That's not included.

[00:17:29]>> Hamas number >> The natural causes are not included.

[00:17:31]That's false. If natural causes were included If natural causes were included, you'd see this excess death among youth and among elderly. You don't see that with the >> Oh, well done.

[00:17:41]>> The demographic is actually directly from Israeli airstrikes.

[00:17:44]>> No, no. Directly from Hamas.

[00:17:46]>> It's It's from Hamas.

[00:17:47]>> Hamas which has been reliable which is Hamas.

[00:17:49]>> Okay, so >> So, Hamas has They've been reliable and every other armed conflict >> that seeks to kill civilians is giving you your information.

[00:17:55]>> Why doesn't the Israeli military If the Israeli military was operating under the laws of war, they would know how many Palestinian civilians have died.

[00:18:01]>> And out of the people killed, only 70,000 is the max number. That is a small amount of people and very clearly not a genocide.

[00:18:08]>> Rudy, we've got flags up. You've been voted out by the majority. Please return to your seat.

[00:18:12]>> I don't know why he was voted out. This guy was This guy was doing >> pretty well. I uh wanted to believe that you really wanted peace.

[00:18:20]For a moment, I really almost believed that you wanted the Palestinians to go back to Palestine.

[00:18:27]But then when you ridiculed and you belittled 70,000 deaths and you saying that it's a small percentage for 1.2 million that is outrageous.

[00:18:39]>> That is not what I said.

[00:18:40]>> That's perfect. It is outrageous. And it is what you said. You said it's a small percentage. You said 70,000 people, which was a lie or reported by a lie by Hamas.

[00:18:48]Or Hamas is a small percentage of 2.2 million, I think he said. It's 70,000 people. You said You initially said You initially started saying that any Palestinian death hurts you. And then you said it's 70,000 is a small percentage and doesn't constitute a genocide. Hello, it's in part and whole. It's in part and whole and the rest of the people that are living, by the way, in Gaza have generational trauma. You have destroyed them mentally. They reached level five starvation, I believe, just recently, where that means that basically even if they start eating, they'll never recover. Their bodies will never recover, and it will and it is affected their DNA moving forward.

[00:19:25]So, any kids that they continue to have will be affected.

[00:19:29]>> That's what I've heard you say.

[00:19:30]>> No, what I said is it's not a genocide cuz if it was a genocide, we'd see the intent and the actual murder of a lot of people in the >> For the death For the death of >> I swear with one person dying, let's post it in news. It's horrible, okay?

[00:19:41]So, remember everything that I said.

[00:19:43]Palestinians are my family. If any Palestinian dies, that's horrible.

[00:19:46]>> See what what we are seeing right now, what we're seeing right now is and I hope I'm wrong, is a great act.

[00:19:54]Secondly, we've seen the president and the Benjamin Netanyahu going out and saying we have to buy social media, we have to influence influencers, we have to work on the young Americans and young Westerns to we can win the battle of the public opinion.

[00:20:10]Unfortunately, that's what I'm seeing right now. You having this soft attitude while serving in the Israeli army while people were getting killed.

[00:20:19]>> Wait, hold on a second. This guy served in the IDF?

[00:20:24]Wait a minute. This guy served in the IDF and he's saying one Palestinian death hurts him?

[00:20:28]>> I'm a Palestinian. I'm not an anti-Semite. I'm a Semite. I'm not anti-Jewish. I have so many Jewish friends. But, as long as it's legal, I'm going to go out and say every day I'm anti-Zionism. Because I'm anti-apartheid, anti-genocide, anti-ethnic cleansing.

[00:20:44]You know, the people here are labeled today as pro-Palestinians as if it's something it's given. We're not just pro-Palestinians because Palestinians, we're pro equality, justice, we're anti-racism. If Jews Jewish people are going through the same, we would be pro-Jewish people as well. Trust me.

[00:21:01]>> Fun fact, they were when the Jews were were getting ethnically cleansed. Um the only country that accepted them was Palestine. The Palestinians actually accepted them. If you read through Zionist um uh like diaries, you'll see that they're filled with how warm and hospitable Palestinians were before they then decided to kick them out and steal their homes and lands.

[00:21:27]>> Did you condemn the attacks of Jews all around the world, including by Palestinians?

[00:21:31]>> Absolutely. Any innocent person that has been attacked without a justified reason. My faith tells me I have to condemn that.

[00:21:37]>> reason?

[00:21:38]>> I'll stop this path.

[00:21:39]>> Why are we putting Hold on a second.

[00:21:42]>> Why did he just allow him to switch the narrative? Ugh.

[00:21:46]This guy seems like a great person, but I'm not talking about Rudy, by the way.

[00:21:50]Rudy's a piece of [ __ ] I can see what he's doing. It's disgusting. I can see what he's doing. He's doing He's putting on this act of, "Oh, I'm I'm peaceful and I I'm loving and I love the Palestinians or whatever." It's like shut shut up. You You You just said 70,000 deaths was a small small small percentage. Why is he allowing him to flip the narrative? Oh, well, what is a justified reason?

[00:22:09]>> If they're not trying to kill you. If they're not trying to fight you.

[00:22:12]>> commits a blows up a bus, is that is that justified?

[00:22:15]>> put this on the table.

[00:22:16]>> justified.

[00:22:17]>> No, when I say when >> If it's a bus full of children, then no, obviously not. But, if it's a bus full of soldiers on their way to perform a raid in in in in Gaza, then yes.

[00:22:26]>> You served in the army.

[00:22:27]>> Yeah, yeah, but can you answer that real quick?

[00:22:28]>> Absolutely, I can answer that.

[00:22:30]>> condemn that?

[00:22:30]>> Absolutely. I'm telling you, I condemn the killing of any innocent soul. That's my my faith is telling me to do.

[00:22:36]>> Thank you.

[00:22:36]>> All right. So, now when you are trying to say that I am trying to promote peace and justice, why don't you join a movement like Breaking the Silence? Have you heard about them?

[00:22:45]>> Of course I heard about them.

[00:22:45]>> So, why don't you join them? Please >> So, Breaking the Silence is >> For those of you who don't know, Breaking the Silence is basically Israeli ex-Israeli military. Anyone who served in the Israeli military, even even, you know, I don't think they have to serve in the Israeli military. But, anyone who served in the Israeli military and wants to shed a light on the atrocities that Zionists commit to Palestinians, they shed it they shed light on it. A lot of what we know about what Zionists do to the Palestinians there has actually been because of this organization, this Breaking the Silence. Um and they do this at very very massive risk of their own lives.

[00:23:19]>> So, Breaking the Silence is an organization that takes some truths, adds on a lot of lies, and does everything in order to be tokens as Jews and as former soldiers who get paid by foreign entities.

[00:23:31]>> Oh my god, this is so pathetic. So, uh so hold on. So, from your perspective, Israeli Defense Force soldiers or ex-soldiers who gain absolutely nothing by exposing the atrocities that are committed in the Israeli army do it so that they can be tokens?

[00:23:55]Um Uh so so they gain nothing, they lose everything, and they do it so that they can be tokens?

[00:24:05]>> Well, there's a new movement of people who aren't the tokens on either sides.

[00:24:09]There's individual Palestinians who are tokens as well who will sell whatever the Israeli government wants. Of individuals who are proud >> But there's a big difference here.

[00:24:16]There's a big difference here. There's a big difference here. You said you're not an anti-Semite, but you're an anti-Zionist. Does that mean that you're against the idea that my people have a right to live in this land? Mhm.

[00:24:25]There's people who were living in the land of Palestine well before Zionism well before Israel was founded. Jewish people were living side by side with Arabs and Christians and even atheist Palestinians. They were living in a Palestinian government. So, no, we don't have anything against Jewish people living in Palestine. What we do have is the is the emergence of an ethno-state in Palestine governed by uh Zionists who want to eradicate non-Jewish people on the land. That is That is That is what we're against.

[00:25:00]>> I I'm against the idea of what Zionism is doing.

[00:25:03]>> No, but Zionism is an idea.

[00:25:06]I'm asking, are you against the idea that the >> You know who You know who else You know who else did not have that I don't I just told you.

[00:25:13]>> Okay, you're not an anti-Zionist.

[00:25:14]>> You You know who else You know who else You know who else did not have a problem with Jewish people coming to Palestine?

[00:25:20]>> A lot of Palestinians.

[00:25:21]>> A lot of Palestinians.

[00:25:22]>> There we go.

[00:25:23]And I don't have a problem with Palestinians being kicked out >> Mohamed Hadid, the father of Bella and Gigi Hadid, what is his story? His family opened their doors, their homes for a for a Jewish family, only to come back and say, "You know what? This is our house now. You cannot come back again."

[00:25:36]>> You won't see me condemn >> This happens a lot. This happens so much, dude. There's this video that that kept circling around often about this Palestinian woman who who's basically standing outside her own home.

[00:25:49]And she was talking to the to the Israeli invader. And she was saying, "You can't just take my home." And he goes, "Well, if I don't steal it, someone else will steal it."

[00:25:57]It's It's insane how you can come home one day after having hosted someone who was fleeing a war fleeing war fleeing fleeing persecution and you come home one day and they've they've kicked you out of your own house.

[00:26:14]"This is my home now."

[00:26:17]It's something that I don't think anyone can actually like mentally understand the frustration of the the anger that you would be feeling at the time. You know, imagine coming home where you feel is safe, you've got your kids with you.

[00:26:33]And you've got an this invader who's telling you it's mine now.

[00:26:38]And then they point guns at you if you don't leave.

[00:26:42]>> on Palestinians as a whole, you won't see me trying to delegitimize or to demonize Palestinians.

[00:26:46]>> You keep calling it Yehuda and Samaria.

[00:26:48]You don't even call it Palestine.

[00:26:49]>> Historically, that region is Jordan's land.

[00:26:51]>> Palestinians were kicked out of their The way Palestinians were kicked out The way a genocide happened in Deir Yassin.

[00:26:56]You know what Deir Yassin is?

[00:26:58]You know what happened in Deir Yassin?

[00:26:59]And that's a genocide. A genocide would be the intent, okay, for a population to eliminate another population.

[00:27:06]>> Someone please ask him how do you prove intent. Please. Someone needs to ask him how do you prove intent. And then let him give his own definition. Hold him to that definition.

[00:27:16]And play his game. And show him how that definition fits. Because it doesn't matter how much you start playing with with the the definition of genocide, what Israel is doing will fit any definition that you give of genocide.

[00:27:29]>> You had in 1948 is a conflict between two peoples where people got kicked out on both sides. And I'm against that.

[00:27:34]>> People get kicked Who got kicked out on both sides? Oh my god, is he is he is he trying to say that Jews were kicked out in 1948?

[00:27:42]Kicked out kicked out of what?

[00:27:43]>> I just want to hear from him.

[00:27:45]>> Of course.

[00:27:46]>> So, you know the problem with the with the claim that oh Palestinian left by themselves, they fled.

[00:27:50]>> I didn't make that claim.

[00:27:50]>> That's that's that's ridiculous what people say that. You know what the government they were supporting, the army that they were defending, that is what they're saying. They're saying Palestinian left by themselves.

[00:27:59]>> Some people say that. Some people don't say that.

[00:28:00]>> Well, believe me that a lot of people are saying that.

[00:28:02]>> We need to be on point here. Stay on point. I understand The thing is I completely understand where he's coming from. He's coming from emotionally. This is a this is a Palestinian who has probably lost his home in Palestine and has to live abroad and wants to return to his home.

[00:28:17]Um And it's the same >> [clears throat] >> It's the same with a lot of these people. They're coming in charged with emotion. And he's trying to give him show him all of that emotion, how he's feeling. And the problem with that is this guy's a piece of [ __ ] who doesn't care.

[00:28:35]Right? I see this emotion and I understand. And it breaks my heart to see this guy who who who who clearly uh is Palestinian, wants to return to his home, and is devastated by the the the atrocities committed against his people.

[00:28:51]This guy doesn't give a [ __ ] So, when we're going into these debates, you need to go into it facts only and try to remove emotion because Zionists don't care. They have no emotion.

[00:29:06]Right? They are dead behind those eyes because you have to be dead behind those eyes to be able to see the death and destruction that Israel has committed against the Palestinians of Gaza and to say it's justified, or it's not a genocide, or it isn't what it is. You have to be You can't You can't have any form of empathy and and and and be able to look at the atrocities committed and say it's it's it's nothing.

[00:29:30]>> There are Palestinians who chose to leave, and there are many Palestinians that were forced to leave this place.

[00:29:33]There's more nuance we need to add to the conversation, but there are also >> So, so hold on. He said that you didn't claim that Palestinians chose to leave, and now you're saying that there are Palestinians that chose to leave. There isn't a single Palestinian that did not choose to leave that wasn't under the threat of violence.

[00:29:47]Like, how are we downplaying the Nakba?

[00:29:50]They didn't It's not like they they just decided one day, "Oh, I'm just going to get up and leave."

[00:29:54]>> many Jewish villages that were displaced as well.

[00:29:56]>> That's that's that's not what what happened. That is what happened.

[00:29:59]>> Yeah, there were Jewish Palestinians.

[00:30:00]There were Jewish Palestinians who were seen by the Ashkenazis as as as as an inferior because they weren't white.

[00:30:08]>> And that what they did in the Jewish villages and the Haganah and the Irgun, these are the militias that the terrorist militias that killed so many Palestinians. They just need to read what happened in Deir Yassin.

[00:30:16]>> There Yes, I know what happened in Deir Yassin, and I know what happened in many other communities of Palestinians, and I'm for Palestinians to be able to reunite with Israel, but you're looking at individuals that are in the context of a war and then blaming it on the whole idea of our whole collective having rights to this land.

[00:30:31]>> thing is that you cannot just if Trump says, "I'm not anti-immigrants," we don't believe him. We look at what happened in this >> Trump into the situation. It has nothing to do with foreign relations or foreign policy.

[00:30:40]>> in Gaza.

[00:30:41]>> He's He's bringing parallels. He's bringing parallels. He's not bringing in Trump uh Trump. He's just showing you a parallel.

[00:30:46]>> Our Our civilization is why we're in a problem.

[00:30:50]>> Saying that Gaza was were given warning to leave their homes before they get bombed.

[00:30:53]>> This is true.

[00:30:53]>> This is the most ridiculous thing I've heard.

[00:30:55]>> Well, I was in Gaza and I saw this happening with my own eyes.

[00:30:58]>> I'm I'm I'm just shocked that you're defending that again and again.

[00:31:00]>> It's actually what happened. Does that >> What you're saying is okay?

[00:31:03]>> No, it's not okay that we were in war.

[00:31:05]>> No, no, it's okay to say someone hey, I'm bombing your house tomorrow.

[00:31:08]>> So, let's >> Let's add some context. If Hamas is shooting rockets from a house, that also Palestinian families are living there.

[00:31:13]>> And that's not that's not propaganda.

[00:31:16]>> Can we Can we be real for a second? Can we be real for a second? I'm not going to show any editing to be real footage of the carpet bombing that happened.

[00:31:22]Hamas was in every single one of those buildings.

[00:31:26]Every single Palestinian home.

[00:31:28]Hamas was in those buildings. Can we be real for a second?

[00:31:32]>> Propaganda is the things I witnessed with my own eyes. Before I witnessed it, I saw proof. Now I witnessed it, you cannot tell me it's propaganda cuz you were not there during the war in Gaza.

[00:31:40]>> Inshallah one day >> we will both be able to go back in Gaza.

[00:31:42]But during the war, you were not there.

[00:31:43]This is what happened. When Hamas is shooting rockets from a house onto Israeli civilians >> Inshallah one day >> and it is a warning to the Palestinians living there to leave.

[00:31:52]I don't think it started >> 75 years >> And it didn't start in 1948 either.

[00:31:56]>> The fact that you're pushing Palestinians the fact that you're pushing us now >> Not you.

[00:32:00]>> I'm not I'm not about myself. I'm representing Palestine. You're representing Israel.

[00:32:04]>> Correct. We represent those peoples, but don't say you. You can say they are or Israel is. If something bad is happening by Palestinians >> Yeah, yeah, you you What are you doing?

[00:32:14]You're coming here and saying I'm defending a movement, but you can't say you.

[00:32:16]>> I'm defending the ideology and then >> If If you are for the Palestinians, I'm not seeing you as Hamas. Okay? I'm seeing you as a doctor in front of me, as my cousin in front of me that has a connection to this land, and we need to be able to build together moving forward.

[00:32:28]>> I would love I would love to believe this, but the reality does not let me doesn't let me a chance to believe what's happening.

[00:32:33]>> Well, the younger generation has still a heart that's not so darkened, and we will be able to build something better.

[00:32:38]>> Okay, we have to >> pause here. You've been voted out by the majority. Please return >> I want to talk about your claim, which is that Israel's not committing a genocide in Gaza.

[00:32:45]>> Thank you.

[00:32:46]>> Earlier you were saying that one of the previous debaters, you said that the definition of genocide was to eliminate a population.

[00:32:52]>> Is that your still >> Correct.

[00:32:54]>> Okay, so you recognize that that is not the definition of genocide.

[00:32:56]>> That is partially, mostly the definition of genocide.

[00:32:59]>> Okay.

[00:33:00]Thank you.

[00:33:01]>> to know what the full definition of genocide is?

[00:33:02]>> And you're going to say intense, right?

[00:33:04]>> Yeah. Of course, that's part of it. But that's not that's not that's not the qualm I have. It's the intent to destroy a population in whole or in part.

[00:33:11]>> Mhm.

[00:33:12]>> you use the evidence that Israel's not killing more Palestinians as evidence that it's not a genocide. But the Germans didn't kill every Jewish person.

[00:33:19]You agree that there was a genocide against the Jewish people in Nazi Germany, right?

[00:33:22]>> is not to kill in parts of the Palestinians either. That is why it's not a genocide, not in whole or in part.

[00:33:27]>> And okay, what >> Every action that Israel does is to prevent civilians from being killed.

[00:33:30]They're being killed >> adjudicate whether a government intends to eliminate in part or in whole a population?

[00:33:36]>> Yes, I like that question. If every time that there's an attack against a Hamas site, not against civilian area that doesn't have Hamas, but specifically a Hamas site that is shooting rockets onto Israeli civilians, and Israel does everything to warn the population there to leave by phone calls, by text messages >> What do you mean a Hamas site? They carpet bombed the entire region.

[00:33:57]What are you talking about? What is this clown talking about?

[00:34:03]>> messages, by leaflets, sometimes sent 72 hours before. We can see the intent here is to minimize civilian casualties.

[00:34:10]>> And just to be clear >> So this is an >> No, the intent is to force these people out of their homes, destroy the infrastructure, and either directly or non-directly kill them. As Netanyahu said to the Knesset, we wanted to The only issue now is that we can't find anywhere for people to take them. Right?

[00:34:27]The intent is to push them out of their homes. The The is to destroy any chance of them being able to live on this land.

[00:34:34]That is a genocide.

[00:34:37]>> Example of what Israel does in order to have civilians die at large or as parts?

[00:34:42]>> I understand. Just to be clear, the reason you're saying that is because if they didn't do this, which by the way this is record It's actually funny standard that you give to Israel that if they give drop leaflets before bombing somebody that they are proactive and that they're trying to save civilian life. That's actually required by international law.

[00:34:57]So it's the bare minimum.

[00:34:59]I just want to make clear.

[00:35:00]>> I just want to make clear warning people before >> If they didn't do that, if they didn't do that, you would say that well clearly that's intent to kill civilians, right?

[00:35:06]>> Not necessarily, but it's >> No, no, hold on. Let me let me answer.

[00:35:09]If there's a >> I love it. I love it. I love it. Dude, I love it. He plays technically so much.

[00:35:15]It's crazy. It's like it's a technically game. It's a technically game. It doesn't matter what if you You could see how how much of a clown he is with everyone laughing at him because it it is it is just a technically game.

[00:35:26]>> There's no ability to send leaflets or warning and people get killed in the process, then there are situations where not warning doesn't make it a genocide.

[00:35:33]So here's an example when certain situations I know that you know your your college and you're on the media and everything else, but I actually went to war. So there's certain situations that develop live where Hamas pops out of nowhere, starts shooting at IDF soldiers, there's a gunfight, there are people >> So actually so so so we call in an airstrike to carpet bomb the entire region.

[00:35:51]What? What are you talking about?

[00:35:55]We're not talking about firefights.

[00:35:56]We're talking about the carpet bombing.

[00:35:58]>> Or civilians were killed and that is not a genocide because they didn't warn.

[00:36:01]That's why not warning doesn't make it a genocide either. If the intent is to kill people, then that is a genocide.

[00:36:08]>> assuming that you're talking about when safe zones are are bombed, when refugee camps are bombed. Leaflets are dropped.

[00:36:13]>> Safe zones are safe before Hamas entered and then they're no longer safe, correct?

[00:36:16]>> Wait. Which shows that Israel's not trying to commit a genocide, right? If you if you made that point that Israel's dropping leaflets which shows that they're not intending to commit a genocide. Supposedly, if they didn't drop leaflets, that would be showing intent to commit us all. That's a genocide.

[00:36:28]>> I just explained why that's the case.

[00:36:29]There was a situation that happened live.

[00:36:32]>> This is This is I don't know how well versed you are in debate. That's called a fallacy of infallibility. If your If your If your position cannot be proven wrong, then it is an illegitimate argument to make.

[00:36:43]>> No, no, no, let me let me show >> No, no, no.

[00:36:45]Because >> Let me >> I will give >> I will give you This >> I'm going No, I'm No, no, no.

[00:36:59]Of course No. I will where Do you want to Hey No, no, Hey guy.

[00:37:11]By your By the By the >> I That's That's This That's frustrating as heck. They got like like they would This guy was really good and they said he was out of time. This I This is frustrating.

[00:37:26]First of all, the host didn't do anything to mediate the fact that Rudy kept interrupting this guy and not and not letting him give him the examples.

[00:37:33]Your debate method is by making sure that your your position cannot lose. He kept changing his position, moving the goal posts, playing the technically game so that no matter what happened, his definition could not lose.

[00:37:51]And you know what? Yeah, you know, everyone saw that for what it was. They had that Everyone was laughing at him because you're a clown, Rudy. You're a clown. No matter how many times you want to say that you care about Palestinian lives or this, that, and the third, you've done nothing but say that Israel has done everything to protect and conserve Palestinian lives.

[00:38:14]Shut up.

[00:38:16]Anyway, that is my reaction to the to this Israel is not committing a genocide. The next claim is anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism. I would like to maybe make a video on that. Let me know in the comments if you'd like this video, if you enjoyed this video, and want to see my analysis of that