Calls Our Guest a MOTOR MOUTH When She Presses Him for Answers | John Gleason & BornAgainAtheist

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[00:00:00]So, um, next up we've got Greg calling in from California.

[00:00:07]What's up, Greg? How are you doing?

[00:00:10]>> What's up, guys? My name's Gregory Humphrey. I'm having a good day. What about you?

[00:00:15]>> Doing all right.

[00:00:17]>> So, um, it says that you're willing to defend the view that God is not evil.

[00:00:20]And I'm wondering if you can start off by giving us your argument that, uh, you're a God. Well, first of all, I guess which God are you talking about?

[00:00:27]And then what what's your argument that he's not evil >> by God? I think he's an all good bodyless necessary mind that created the universe.

[00:00:40]>> Okay.

[00:00:41]And and what's your what's your argument that he's not?

[00:00:44]>> Yeah.

[00:00:45]>> For all X, if X is some entity E and E is all good, then E can't do evil. God's all good. Therefore, God can't do anything.

[00:00:52]>> Wait, did he come back? The last guy.

[00:00:56]Wish >> I wish with all of my heart to fly with dragons in a land of heart.

[00:01:01]>> Yeah. So, Greg, are you reading uh Plantiga's argument or or was it Girdle?

[00:01:08]>> My own argument.

[00:01:10]>> No, this is definitely not your own argument >> because you know how I can tell that it's not your own argument? Because you're you're using some some logical notation there that uh you know uh is is not meant to be read the way that you're reading it. So, um, it it just seems very obvious that you're reading off of like a a a proof list that you would have in like a discrete math class.

[00:01:35]>> So, one, what I made was a syllogism and anybody can make these, right? It's just a set of premises that >> Girdle and Plantigga already made them sound which is to say >> Girdle Girdle and Plant already made them.

[00:01:48]>> Bro, you copy paste their own separate argument, but this one's different from those ones. Dude, you caught your cough.

[00:01:57]>> This this this is my argument for God.

[00:02:00]Many are like it, but this one is mine, >> right? So, I'll just repeat the argument. So, for all X, if X is some entity E and E is all good, then E can't do evil. God's all good. Therefore, God can't do evil. Now, which premise?

[00:02:13]>> Okay. Are you a Christian?

[00:02:15]>> Are you a Christian?

[00:02:16]>> Wait, so what we want to know is just which premise you disagree on?

[00:02:19]>> Are you a Christian?

[00:02:21]>> Are you a Christian?

[00:02:22]>> Wait, hold on. So, >> somebody's ashamed of being a Christian.

[00:02:25]>> I just want to know which premise you would have an issue with.

[00:02:29]>> Wait, are you a Christian?

[00:02:32]>> I'm sorry. I'm just not sure the relevance. I just want to know.

[00:02:35]>> Oh, are you are you embarrassed? Are you embarrassed to be a Christ follower? I'm just checking just cuz God God is God is listening to I prefer to stay linear in my debates, right? And I don't want to do this like >> I'm sorry, but when we're talk when we're arguing uh when we're arguing when we're arguing whether God is real or God is evil, it's important to know which God you have a dulu mind on because then we can know how to approach this conversation >> because your syllogism doesn't take away the fact that the Yahweh God committed genocide, right? I don't give a [ __ ] about what your own definition is. If you're a Christian, then you have to agree that God is okay with, you know, killing the LGBTQIA plus. That's something that you have to stand firm on. So if you are a Christian, then we know how to approach this conversation.

[00:03:17]If you're not, if you're just a what was the other guy? An annoying theist.

[00:03:21]>> Yeah.

[00:03:21]>> Uh classical. I >> told you I can chew of >> I told you my conrue of God earlier. I don't know if he picked it up.

[00:03:28]>> Are you a classical theist? Are you like a What are you annoying?

[00:03:32]>> So what I think God is is just an what was that?

[00:03:37]>> Are you an omnitheist? What are >> any just cool it right? So I think God's in all >> No, I mean and we're wondering we're wondering because this is important because your syllogism doesn't mean [ __ ] if we're talking about Yahweh >> or all of >> Well, I'm telling you right now.

[00:03:51]>> Okay. Okay. So, this would be easy. The answer would be yes or no, right?

[00:03:56]>> Well, I'm telling you what my kingdom of God is. So, >> okay. Yes. You want to know or >> Well, no. So I mean the reason why we want to know is because uh like like without some kind of theology or some kind of application to reality then there's no way for us to really understand what you mean by omni benevolent or good bad right or wrong like how would like I get that what you're saying is that God is omni benevolent so there's no way that he can be evil so nothing that god can can say is evil or do is evil but I mean that's just divine command theory but you you would end up needing to somehow define what good and bad or right or wrong is.

[00:04:34]And so that's what like defining you as a Christian is.

[00:04:39]>> Well, I think good's a primitive notion.

[00:04:43]>> Good is a primitive >> are primitive notions. Yeah, I think they're normatively fundamental and irreducible.

[00:04:51]>> Uh so the subjective moral statements of good and bad are fundamental and unchanging.

[00:05:00]No, I'm just saying that good and evil are normative and primitive notions, which is just to say you can't reduce the concept down further.

[00:05:12]>> I I mean, I feel like you have to define good and evil first in order to figure out if you could reduce it down, but you all you've done is just say, "Oh, well, you can't reduce it down."

[00:05:23]>> No. Yeah. So we have certain words which we just think are just primitive notions such as maybe exist. A lot of people think existence is just some primitive notion, right? You can't reduce the concept further down.

[00:05:38]>> I have no idea what in the [ __ ] you just said. Um so okay so so may maybe we can put this in practical reality here.

[00:05:46]>> What was confusing about what I said?

[00:05:50]>> Well because it just seems like you're playing around with definitions. You're doing a definition game which ends up just being word salad is what it seems like. And that's why it doesn't >> Well, you're the one who asked me for the definition and I just told you I think it's a primitive notion, >> right? You're just saying it's axiomatic, but you're not actually giving me any kind of indication as to what would be aren't truth sentences, right?

[00:06:14]>> Okay. So, how how can you how do you determine what is good and what is bad?

[00:06:21]I don't know the relevance of the question.

[00:06:24]>> So, let me get Sorry. Go ahead. All you want to know is I was gonna say, so let me get this straight. Let me get this straight. This whole conversation is the Chihuahua in the echoey hallway. You hearing yourself talk and then when he asks you a question, you go, I'm not going to answer the question. I plead the fifth. Huh? What's the point of you talking to us? You just want to Why didn't you just Why didn't you just record a YouTube >> Why not just record a YouTube video and hear yourself talk? Like why did you come up if you're not willing to engage in anything we're asking you?

[00:06:51]>> Motor you're not engaging in anything we're asking you.

[00:06:56]>> Why don't you answer his question? We've asked you a 50 question. You're like I don't know why I want to I'm not going to answer that. That's not relevant.

[00:07:00]What do you mean it's not relevant?

[00:07:01]We're having a [ __ ] conversation.

[00:07:02]We're not here to hear you [ __ ] talk.

[00:07:04]That's insane. I'm not here to hear you run a trap. Okay. You sound like the last guy.

[00:07:08]>> Yeah. So Greg, uh you just called my my co-host Born again here a motormouth and that's not exactly nice. So I've went ahead and I've muted you. I I'm just kind of curious, Greg.

[00:07:17]>> Good.

[00:07:18]>> Oh, yeah. Uh, so I'm just kind of curious there, Greg. Why should we trust somebody that we know is a liar? Can Can you tell me why? Like, you're a liar.

[00:07:27]You're obviously a liar. So, like, why should we believe a liar right now?

[00:07:33]>> What was that?

[00:07:35]>> You're a liar. So, like, why should we trust anything that you say as far as like your argument goes? It just seems like you're just going to continue to lie no matter what happens in the conversation.

[00:07:45]So what we want is an answer to the question yes or no.

[00:07:49]>> What I want is for is for you to answer my question. Why should we trust you?

[00:07:53]Because >> really going on is that my penis is being in >> what?

[00:07:59]>> You're I'm so I'm so sorry.

[00:08:05]>> I'm sorry, dude. You're You're gonna have to wait till you hang up to do that. I'm so sorry.

[00:08:09]>> Or you might have to go check with your doctor. Maybe go to the emergency. Uh, so I mean, well, I say liar. Maybe I'm I'm overreaching in that last time you called in as Gregita uh from Bulgaria instead of California, you're she they and um so I like I I just I I don't know like what's going on here with it, but it at least it comes across when you when you call in like that, it comes across as being a liar. So like I'm just kind of curious, should we trust liars?

[00:08:38]and and under what kind of foundation are you judging whether or not we should should trust a liar? I'm unmuting you and please don't talk about your penis.

[00:08:47]>> So, there's this thing called a gender inongruence. I used to have she her pronouns. Now I have he him pronouns since I'm transgender. I don't know why you're being transphobic to me. And then to >> Oh, I'm not being transphobic. I'm just saying that it comes across as you being a liar. I I totally and >> No, sorry. I totally respect if you're if you're figuring that out. I'm that's why I said that maybe I was overreaching a little bit and that you know, you know, maybe you're not being a liar, but uh so let's let's try to get back to um that. I mean, you're still Did you live in Bulgaria at one point or something?

[00:09:25]Like the location's still like incredibly different, but in any case, so um maybe let's do a reset here. Um, so Greg the liar, like what? Um, well, what's your argument for God?

[00:09:38]>> For all acts, if for all acts, if acts, wait, for God or for why God can't do evil? Which one?

[00:09:45]>> Well, I mean, God has to exist for him not to do evil. Otherwise, if he doesn't exist, then like he obviously can't do evil, right?

[00:09:54]>> Yep. So, for Wait, so which one do you want though? I can give you the worst.

[00:10:00]you want.

[00:10:01]>> So let's let's start let's start with God existing. Let's let's see if you can prove that first.

[00:10:07]>> Try to do it without lying. That would be great.

[00:10:10]>> Just just cool it. So for all acts, if X is a necessary being, then X exists.

[00:10:15]God's a necessary thing. Therefore, God exists. There you go.

[00:10:18]>> Now, which premise do you disagree with?

[00:10:21]>> Wait, what? What? What the [ __ ] is this?

[00:10:24]>> God is real. Am I crazy? Or is that just like the dumbest argument on the planet?

[00:10:28]God's real because it makes sense that he could be real, therefore he is real.

[00:10:32]What? I mean, that's some lazy [ __ ] >> Can you tell Can you tell me like how he made the 4 billiony old rocks in Canada?

[00:10:41]Uh can you tell me why all these religious texts have him way younger than we have uh than we date things today? Can you explain why everybody's God doesn't match any scientific evidence we have today? I mean, what?

[00:10:53]You can't just say he's real because in my heart of hearts it feels it feels good that he's real. Huh?

[00:10:59]>> Can you give me more than that? I'm getting so [ __ ] bored.

[00:11:01]>> Regurgitate premise one of the argument.

[00:11:03]Go ahead.

[00:11:05]>> I'm so tired of these [ __ ] premises.

[00:11:07]You're just like God's real. God's real because it makes sense for him to be real. That can't be That can't be your argument. That can't be the best he got.

[00:11:14]>> You called You called this number just to tell me just to tell me God's real because that's the that's the best >> that this is the best [ __ ] we got. That God's real. Okay. He's real because it makes sense that he's real. That's what you got. That's why you called. Really?

[00:11:28]Really? He's real because it makes sense. What do you mean? How does it make sense? Explain how it makes sense.

[00:11:32]>> When you >> don't say premise one, when you need premise one, we're talking about the existence of God here.

[00:11:36]>> Oh, motor mouth. Just cool it, please.

[00:11:38]Wow.

[00:11:39]>> Hey. Hey, little Wait. I'm sorry. What's your pronouns? What's your pronouns?

[00:11:42]What are your pronoun? Are you transgender? I just don't want to be offensive if you actually are. Cuz if you're a biological male, then I'll rip you to shreds. But I do need to check >> here. Sorry, I had to mute. He called you motormouth again. If you if you call my co-host the motormouth again, I'm going to drop you.

[00:11:57]>> Are you a biological male that identify?

[00:12:00]Do you identify as a man? Well, I'm asking if you identify as a man. If you're a cisgendered man.

[00:12:06]>> So, you want to be transphobic after I blow.

[00:12:08]>> I don't know. I don't know. Your your pronouns say he him. I'm asking if you're I'm asking if you're I don't know if you're trans. I don't know if you're trans.

[00:12:16]>> Totally irrelevant. If you are if you are a biological if you're biological male that identifies as a man, I'll rip you to shreds. If you're not, then I'll be nice to you. So that's why I want to know if you're a man.

[00:12:26]>> Oh, that was a cisgender man.

[00:12:28]>> Sis So cis males don't have value under your view is what you're saying.

[00:12:32]>> Oh, no. Um you in particular, I will not I will not attack you. I will not attack you if you are in the trans community, but if you are a cisgendered man, I will rip you to shreds. So are you a cisgender man? Just >> bigotive. You're a complete freaking >> Wait, you keep calling me a trans? Are you transpho are you are you transgender? Cuz I don't want to be insensitive about I genuinely mean that >> transphobic. Yeah. You're a cisphobic monster being a sis man.

[00:12:56]>> So he's So I mean sorry he's trans, right? Your your pronouns are he him.

[00:13:00]It's on the screen. I'm I'm not trying to be a dick a dick. I'm just asking like >> if you're if you're if you're an actual cisgendered man, okay, that means you're not trans, right? Or are you in the transgender community? Are you mocking the trans community? to is so sis males don't have value to is what you're saying.

[00:13:19]>> So, but then you're not I'm not saying they don't have value or anything, but I'm saying they're not trans by definition.

[00:13:25]>> Oh. Oh, really? Sis people aren't trans?

[00:13:27]Who would have [ __ ] guessed?

[00:13:29]>> Well, that's why I'm asking.

[00:13:30]>> Why would you rip me to shreds if I was a sis male, though? That's pretty >> I'm just I'm just asking.

[00:13:36]If you're if you're transgender, I'm not going to be mean to you, right? But if you're a man, I'll be mean to you.

[00:13:42]>> I'm sorry, Greg. I'm dropping you. Uh >> male. I'll be mean.

[00:13:46]>> Yeah. So, I I dropped I dropped Greg there because uh he I mean he repeatedly was was you know calling uh born again here uh you know uh what is it motormouth and uh all these other derogatory names. Um so yeah, we're just not going to stand for that. Um I mean if if you know Greg can host his own life and like uh you know [ __ ] on us uh whenever we call in there, but we're not. Hey, if you liked this video, why don't you click that like button?

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[00:14:19]>> Okay, >> you didn't even give me a chance.

[00:14:23]>> IT WAS SUCH A LONG PAUSE. TWO DAYS.

[00:14:26]>> What are you on speed or something? I barely had a chance.

[00:14:29]>> Try again.

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