Nasheed’s reframing of the Great Migration as a mass flight from systemic terror effectively strips away the romanticized veneer of the American pioneer myth. It forces a necessary confrontation with the historical reality of Black Americans as internal refugees within their own borders.
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Tariq Nasheed The Great Migration Is The Same As The Great FleeingAdded:
You can flee your own homeland. The again, like I said, the only entity that makes a legal distinction between fleeing outside of your country and fleeing to another part of your country is the United Nations. That's where they get the term internally displaced person.
A refugee is somebody who flee out their country. Internally play an internally displaced person is somebody who flee to another part of their country.
They're the only entity and again, that's a relatively new distinction.
And I know you don't want to go that route with it.
You fled, bro.
You fled. That's it.
Also, yes, black people during slavery fled. Now that's And mind you, that's why Tariq was saying Harriet Tubman and the people who ran away with her are not FBA cuz they fled.
>> [music] >> in the building. Shout out to everybody in the building. And I think that we should That makes sense for us to go to our next topic.
Mhm. Yeah, let's go to our next topic.
Let's go to our next topic right here.
Shout out to everybody in the building.
I want to touch on this.
I I saw this. I didn't watch this video.
Again, you know I'm not watching this, but Tariq probably is going to have a debate with somebody about the Great Migration and I'm going to just say it right now. Um the Great Migration is the same as fleeing.
It is the same. That's why they referred to people from the Great Migration and people who got chased out the South as refugees. For all you who don't know, refugee just means to flee.
That's what it means. It means to flee.
It do- it doesn't matter where you fled from. If you fled from somewhere, you're a refugee. If somebody chased you from one side of the town to the other side of the town and you got to live on that other side, and you can't come back to that other um the side you got chased from cuz you feared for your life, and you can only go back when they let you go back, you are refugee. No different if you get chased across the country, no different if you get chased across the the continent, no different if you get chased across the globe.
No different. That's why they use the word refugee. Again, if you go back and look at the contemporary sources that talked about this era, they use the word refugee. The word great migration is literally I mean, the phrase great migration is basically a sanitized term for the great ethnic cleansing of black people out the South. But, let's let Tariq talk. That's roasting. That's what we do, roasting. Did it in the playground. That's roasting. But, what you're doing is like anti-Africanism.
You do all the time.
>> I'm just thinking out there. Sir, it is roasting. It ain't anti nothing.
Nobody's more anti-African than people who fled from Africa. Y'all never over there. Y'all over there in the UK.
Y'all everywhere else but there. Nobody >> Oh, I think this is the part where he talking about fleeing. I think this is the part where he talking about fleeing.
Let's see Let's Let's bring that back a little bit.
more anti-African than people who fled from Africa. Y'all never over there. Y'all over there in the UK.
Y'all everywhere else but there. Nobody >> Okay, here we go. When you say fled Africa, okay, you know what fleeing is.
Okay, okay, so you see when you say But, when you say You know I don't like when black people use um historical terms as weapons. So, even when people say don't tap dance, and tap dancing was liberation. I I find that disrespectful.
When you say fleeing, people in America will flee from the South to the North for prosperity. There's nothing wrong with that.
>> That's not fleeing.
That's not what we talking about.
I know it's within the I know I'm I you that. You don't flee in your written service.
Yes, you do. That is literally fleeing.
Matter of fact, here we go.
I found it.
Can y'all see my screen?
What is this What is this? Matter of fact, let me go We got to go back cuz this Yeah.
Can y'all see my screen? What this guy saying? To the north.
To the north.
We got to find a better picture than that.
A bigger one.
Of of the two to north one. What is he saying? To the north.
To the north. He is fleeing out the south. This is the great migration in one picture. I'mma find a bigger one.
I think this is it right here. We found a bigger one. I'mma I'mma see.
Here we go. I'm switching to this one here.
Here we go.
What this say? To the north. What is that? A white man lynching a black man and the other black man seeing it and he ain't helping. He's running away. And what does his briefcase say? Southern Negro.
Southern Negro. Again, this is contemporary.
This is contemporary.
Again, the reason Albert A. Smith, the reason, the crisis.
The crisis was a black newspaper, by the way.
March to um March 1920.
March 1920.
1920. That's fleeing.
Hello?
Can y'all hear me? Put one in the chat if y'all can hear me.
Cuz I think my audio got messed up.
Let's see. Stop sharing.
That's fleeing.
That's fleeing, bro.
Like don't don't ever let no FBA bozo tell you talk about fleeing, [ __ ] That's fleeing. That's fleeing. This And mind you, a white person didn't make this. A black person made this.
This is fleeing. This is black people being chased out. Chased out. That's fleeing.
That is fleeing. You can flee matter of fact oh my goodness let me take this down.
You can flee your own homeland. The whole again like I said the only entity that makes a legal distinction between fleeing outside of your country and fleeing to another part of your country is the United Nations.
That's where they get the term internally displaced person.
A refugee is somebody who flee out their country. Internally play um an internally displaced person is somebody who flee to another part of their country.
They're the only entity and again that's a relatively new distinction.
And I know you don't want to go that route with it.
You fled bro.
You fled. That's it.
Also yes black people during slavery fled. That's and mind you that's why Twiqster was saying um um Harriet Tubman and the people who ran away with her are not FBA cuz they fled.
They fled. They they they ran.
They ran. They didn't they didn't stand and fight like Nat Turner. They ran.
And rightfully so. They ran. I would have been a runaway slave too. I wouldn't have tried to do no slave revolt.
I probably would have ran. Only way I would have did a slave revolt if I would have saw it and thought like yes we got this. We can win. Otherwise than that I'm out.
>> [snorts] >> Yes exactly. Flee to the north and tell them that your name is Freedman.
That's fleeing.
That's fleeing.
Like again how do you compare somebody who's a immigrant? Mind you people immigrate all over the world all the time for various reasons. How do you compare somebody who left a country or left somewhere on their own terms to go somewhere else cuz they pursue a better life or to pursue an opportunity to somebody who was forced to leave through threat of violence to save their life.
Like you calling people who are immigrants cuz again, some immigrants in this country are refugees. But not all of them. And again, you only reserve that talk for black ones. What about Italians who came to America? What about Irish who came to America?
You don't call them fleers.
You don't call them tethers.
Again.
Exactly. Tariq still fleeing.
That's immaterial. Y'all supposed to be your own ethnic group, right? Your ethnic your your ethnogenesis happened in the South, right?
That's where the ethnogenesis happened.
Can y'all see I got a ethnogenesis, right? It happened in the South. Y'all fled out the South.
Y'all fled Y'all Y'all fled. Y'all didn't just leave for opportunities.
Y'all didn't leave on your own accord.
Y'all fled. Y'all got chased out the South. Chase.
Chase.
Like the children of the people who chased y'all out the South are still alive today.
That is 110% fleeing. So what this [ __ ] doing on the screen right now? He ain't fleeing?
He ain't fleeing?
This [ __ ] on the screen ain't fleeing?
What he doing?
What is he doing?
What is he doing? This ain't fleeing? So again, somebody who comes to America who got offered a job cuz again, a lot of the a lot of the immigrants y'all be seeing the black immigrants y'all see in America, they got offered opportunities to come to America. They didn't just come.
They got offered opportunities. Even back to the first major wave of immigrants coming to America back in the 1920s by the way.
1910s by the way. Was people from the Caribbean who the United States of America, the government brought here, offered them opportunities and jobs and told them to come here. They didn't flee nowhere.
You right. We don't answer the fleers and you the fleer.
Who got chased out the south? I didn't get chased out the south.
Yeah, I could put you on time out now.
Who got chased out the south? I didn't get chased out the south.
I didn't get chased out the south.
Nobody No I I nobody from my family ever went nowhere cuz cuz of violence.
Like Like I want to know my my mother didn't didn't come to New York via violence.
Do do the threat of violence not my father neither.
Our product of fleers.
Like again, yeah. Inquiring minds want to know. I ain't never run from nobody.
Talking about somebody fled. Who fled?
Who fled? This is your ancestor right here. This is all you FBA bozos who who live outside of the south even if you live in the south cuz don't get it twisted. Black people got chased to different parts of the south. There are multiple black areas and white areas now in the south that got a black neighborhood next black area next to it, but the white area used to be the black area and then they pushed the black people out of that area cuz they wanted it.
That's fleeing, bro.
That's fleeing.
Let me Let me uh That's fleeing, bro. Can y'all hear me?
Yeah, that's fleeing.
That getting That's getting chased out.
That is That's getting chased out. Let's get back to Tariq though.
And those black people got chased around the Mississippi, too. A lot of black people in Mississippi live in different parts of the Mississippi than they than their ancestors did. And the reason they did The reason that is cuz they got chased.
I sound ridiculous. How do I sound ridiculous?
So, this ain't true. So, this is a picture I made up. This is not real.
This is not real.
Matter fact, we might have to go read some first-hand accounts of black people getting chased out and being referred to as refugees. We might have to do that.
We going to let Tariq keep talking, but we might have to do that.
That's getting chased out. Don't get mad at me. Get mad at the history. Get mad at the white man chased you out and you ain't do nothing about it to this day.
Get mad at that. I ain't chase you, [ __ ] The white man did that.
Yeah, it's a trick bag. Trick bag. It's a trick bag, family.
They got chased out the south, man.
The white man tricked The white man tricked them into thinking they didn't get chased out the south with the by calling it the Great Migration. Does that look like a migration to you?
Again, back to that picture. Does that look like that guy is migrating or he look like he fleeing?
That's the trick bag. Using the word Great Migration to the the describe that time period is the trick bag. It's the trick bag.
How is that a migration? That is That is not a migration. That's like calling the the Trail of Tears a migration.
That's like calling the Trail of Tears a migration.
That's like calling like what?
That's like calling the Armenian genocide a migration. That's a migration, too.
Everything a damn migration.
What happened to the Armenians? Why they not here no more? Oh, they they migrated.
They migrated.
They migrated.
What hap- What happened to the pol- What happened to the Poles?
Germany? Oh, oh, they migrated.
What What happened? Oh, they migrated.
What happened to the Jews? They migrated.
Trick bag, family. but let's get back to this. This is not a good >> Okay, I'll understand I'll understand it but but but hang on but hang on. No no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no you hang on. You don't flee in your own country. This is our country.
>> that. I said that. I already And the funny part is you can flee in your own country. Like people from Northern Ireland flee into flee to London.
They all in the same country, the UK.
The UK is one country.
But they but anybody who comes from Northern Ireland a Irish person from Northern Ireland trying to move um to London for a better life is looked at as somebody who fled. Like why don't you why don't you go back to where you from? Remember, even at this time black people from the north looked at southerners like that. Like go back to the south.
Go back down south. Get out of here.
Don't flee here. Go stay in the south and fight.
Don't don't flee up here.
That's a fact.
That's a fact.
Even black people at the time some of the black people are leaving out the south as fleers. As refugees.
They were referred to as such in newspaper articles.
It was about you can't flee in your own country. Yes, you can. Yes, you can.
Again, like we explained the term refugee originally meant anybody meant just to flee. It didn't mean it didn't matter where you fled to. If you got chased out, you got chased out. The only entity that makes a distinction between getting chased out to a different part of your country and getting chased out your country is the United Nation and that is a relatively new distinction.
I didn't flee in. You didn't leave >> Because we go back and forth. We go back and forth to the south. We didn't flee the south. We went and got jobs. Nah-uh, they didn't go back and forth. They came back when the coast was clear. Let's let's not play games. And some of them never came back at all.
Some of them never came back at all.
And some came back when the coast was clear.
Like let's let not do that. People wasn't going back and forth during during that time when that guy had that suitcase. So the negro fleeing to the south.
Let's keep it going.
Let's keep it going. hubs and went back and forth. Still have our family there.
>> When you say fleeing, okay. Okay, you're talking over me.
We're not going to do that. He not talking over you. He's about to explain to you cuz you saying fleeing. Being an immigrant and being and fleeing is not the same thing. You know that, Tariq.
You're dumb, but you're not that dumb.
All right. Okay, cool, bro. Go ahead.
>> Let's slow down. Let's slow down now cuz you're talking over me. It's cool, brother. You were having a cultured conversation. I'm listening.
>> Yes, indeed. All right. We're not going to do that, though. All right. But yeah, we don't flee. We didn't flee the south.
The so that we got the same racial hostility in the north that we got in the south. What were we fleeing from? That's a lie. That's a lie. That's a lie.
We weren't fleeing from nothing. We were still dealing with the same national guard, the same thing. We just went where better jobs were at the time.
>> fleeing, okay, when I hear the word fleeing, I'm taking that as if to mean I'm running away from hardship to go somewhere else.
I'm running for my life.
>> exactly what you did. No but no Nobody in my family fleed because they had money to Wait, wait, wait. Stop stop speaking, sir. Okay. We had for You fled. You're not in You're not in your homeland. You guys are exchanged.
>> It's called migrating. That's not fleeing.
>> That's That's fleeing, sir. No, it's called migrating. Thank you. Thank you.
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Again, I didn't watch this video beforehand, but again, it's obvious to a doctor try to refute the stuff that FBA says. Like again, that's migration. That's not fleeing.
Um um that other stuff is fleeing. And then you can try to pretty it up. That's still fleeing. You're not going back.
Okay, so You're not going to build it up. See, you're embarrassed by the fact that you had to flee.
No, I'm embarrassed that a black man has to use that term to weaponize like I'll say anything. No, it's not a weapon, sir.
It is a weapon. Because you're using it.
>> you're embarrassed by having to leave your homeland. There's a deep There's a deep insecurity that a lot of you guys have for having to flee your homeland. You literally you flee Literally y'all be on inner tubes. Sir, that's not migrating. That's fleeing.
You literally risk your life to get the hell out of there.
That's called fleeing, sir.
All right? See, you You can pretty it up if you want to. That's Again, yeah.
People who do that, they are fleeing.
But everybody who came All black immigrants are not are not That's not their story.
Just like there was already black people in the north. They didn't flee nowhere.
So, we can't say all black people was fleers cuz there's black people already in the north. They didn't flee.
They didn't flee to the north.
But the ones coming from the south, yeah, they fled.
Just the same thing with black with black immigrants. There are all black immigrants who are here who are here on refugee status because they did have to flee a war zone. But there are others who came here willingly on their own.
They just migrated.
It's it.
>> [music] [music] [music] >> Mhm.
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