Dumb Killer Realizes His Murder Was Caught On Camera| JCS Inspired Interrogation

Added: 2026-05-20

[00:00:00]Everybody needs to get out. Everybody needs to get out. Everybody needs to get out. Everybody needs to get out.

[00:00:03]Everybody needs to get out.

[00:00:07]>> Hey, let's uh let's clear on out here.

[00:00:10]>> Okay.

[00:00:13]>> EMS. Get EMS.

[00:00:16]>> Is she still alive?

[00:00:19]>> No, she's dead.

[00:00:20]>> When detectives sat across from Keith Ag, he told them what he believed to be his truth.

[00:00:25]>> I wasn't going to. I wasn't going to.

[00:00:28]That's he gave me something. I was like, I don't talk.

[00:00:31]>> A man who just wanted an answer. The detective didn't challenge him. He didn't raise his voice. He simply leaned in and said, >> "So, is that what upset you more was the STD or that she was stepping out on you?"

[00:00:43]>> And Keith answered without hesitation, >> STD. I don't.

[00:00:47]>> That single exchange dismantled everything because what Keith didn't know was that Brooklyn Sims had already proven she didn't have an STD. She had texted a photograph from her doctor's appointment to Keith's own mother 6 days before he drove to Pensacola and shot her seven times. The lie wasn't that Keith was angry. The lie was what he was angry about. This is where expectancy violation theory meets cold documented reality. Keith had constructed his entire emotional justification, his motive, his narrative, his humanity around a medical diagnosis that was never true. He expected the STD to explain everything. He never expected the truth to be sitting on his own mother's phone. Welcome back and your review about our video means a lot to us.

[00:01:31]Brooklyn Sims arrives at the Home Depot on North Davis Highway in Pensacola, Florida on the afternoon of August 11th, 2023. Just another Friday shift for an 18-year-old single mother doing inventory work. She clocks in. She scans aisles. She goes about her day. 13 minutes later, a silver Chevrolet Malibu rolls into the parking lot. A man steps out. Blue jacket, khaki pants, black shoes. He doesn't hurry. He doesn't hesitate. He walks through the front entrance of the store as if he belongs there because he knows exactly where he's going. Seconds later, aisle 52 erupts. Five, six shots, maybe more, ring out through the aisles stocked with tools and lumber and garden supplies.

[00:02:15]>> Possible shots fired in the area of the Home Depot.

[00:02:20]Stand by.

[00:02:22]Back to 5309 North Davis Highway 509 North Davis Fontaine multiple calls.

[00:02:29]>> People scatter. Workers drop behind counters. A co-orker ducks under a desk and dials 911. The screaming starts before the echo stops.

[00:02:45]>> At that point, we're good.

[00:02:49]>> Hey, let's uh let's clear on out here.

[00:02:52]We have >> Okay. Don't touch. It's not yours, is it?

[00:02:58]>> Well, I didn't know if it was.

[00:02:59]>> No, I think it was hers.

[00:03:01]>> Well, no, hers is in her back.

[00:03:02]>> It's all right.

[00:03:06]>> Damn it.

[00:03:07]>> I didn't I heard in there. I didn't hear anything.

[00:03:09]>> I didn't hear Home Depot.

[00:03:10]>> Oh, I heard Home Depot.

[00:03:13]Brooklyn Sims, 18 years old, mother of a 2-year-old daughter named Casey, is struck multiple times at close range.

[00:03:23]>> Hey, have we cleared the entire for yet?

[00:03:26]>> No, but let's uh let's get a man.

[00:03:30]Yeah, let's get everybody out.

[00:03:42]>> 134 is at Juval and Walter.

[00:03:53]>> Sir, we don't even know. We They told us that he left the store, but we don't know. So, we need to clear the entire store.

[00:03:59]Trump is >> okay.

[00:04:08]>> We don't know yet.

[00:04:09]>> They >> Two of her co-workers are grazed by bullets. She is left face down on the floor of aisle 52. The shooter doesn't stop. He doesn't check. He turns and walks, then runs back through the main entrance the same way he came in.

[00:04:26]Officers begin flooding radio channels within seconds.

[00:04:29]>> Only one shooter.

[00:04:41]>> Anyone confirm this one shooter?

[00:04:47]>> The parking lot chaos is instant.

[00:04:49]Officers scramble to establish a perimeter. Witnesses report a silver four-door Chevy. possibly a Malibu.

[00:04:56]Fleeing the parking lot at high speed, turning toward Duvall Street. Radio traffic crackles with descriptions.

[00:05:04]Black male, blue jacket, um, khaki pants, black shoes, possibly with a Glock.

[00:05:10]>> Two men in a black Cadillac SRX are briefly detained on Duval Street.

[00:05:14]Officers drive a witness past them. The witness shakes his head. Neither of them is the shooter. The Cadillac is a dead end. Inside the store, a tactical entry team moves aisle by aisle.

[00:05:30]>> Bathroom.

[00:05:32]>> Can you go to a bathroom back there?

[00:05:40]>> In the back bathroom, what's your name?

[00:05:50]Parker.

[00:05:53]Clearing the building room by room.

[00:05:55]Officers leaprogging each other through the lumber section, past the garden center, checking every back door and employee corridor.

[00:06:02]>> We're clearing the building now.

[00:06:04]Everybody hold their position.

[00:06:14]>> Everybody needs to get out. Everybody needs to get out. Everybody needs to get out. Everybody needs to get out.

[00:06:18]Everybody needs to get out. Everybody needs to get out of the store. Everybody need to get out of the store.

[00:06:22]>> No, but Johnny need to start set up one.

[00:06:24]So it's confirmed he left the store.

[00:06:26]>> Left the store.

[00:06:27]>> Okay.

[00:06:28]>> EMS is already on scene, but for Brooklyn Sims, there is nothing to be done.

[00:06:38]>> Can you confirm her name for me?

[00:06:41]>> Yes. Yes.

[00:06:49]>> Okay. Okay. Do >> you have your ID on your honey? You know, Brooklyn what?

[00:06:58]>> Middle name.

[00:07:02]>> I know. I know this is hard, but we are trying to find this guy. Okay.

[00:07:11]>> Meanwhile, less than 2 miles away, at a mellow mushroom restaurant on Bayou Boulevard, a phone rings at the Pensacola Police Department dispatch center. Call 911. Where's your emergency?

[00:07:22]>> Hello.

[00:07:24]>> Yes. 911.

[00:07:27]>> Hi. I'm trying to turn myself in.

[00:07:29]>> You're where?

[00:07:30]>> I'm trying to turn myself in.

[00:07:32]>> Okay. Where are you at?

[00:07:34]>> Pensacola, Alabama.

[00:07:36]>> Pensacola, Alabama.

[00:07:39]>> Yes, ma'am. I don't know what street I'm on. I'm going to walk.

[00:07:43]>> What are you trying to turn yourself in at for, >> ma'am? What are you trying to turn yourself in for?

[00:07:49]>> Oh man, I made a mistake. I don't know.

[00:07:51]I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

[00:07:54]>> No, you're fine. Just calm down. I'll We'll get someone to help you. Are you injured at all?

[00:07:59]>> No. No. I don't know. Look, I I threw my gun. I don't have a gun, but I I just want them to shoot me. I can't I can't.

[00:08:10]>> Okay, you're fine. Are you out of business right now? Ma'am, this this call in front of IMAX. That's what >> you're at the at the movie theater.

[00:08:21]>> That's what it says.

[00:08:22]>> Okay. Are you in the parking lot of the movie theater?

[00:08:25]>> Yes, ma'am. Yes, ma'am. I'm in the parking lot by myself and no cars around me. I'm just You'll see they'll see me as they pull over there.

[00:08:31]>> Okay.

[00:08:32]>> Keith AG, 20 years old from Calbertt, Alabama, gives his location, describes the car he was driving, and waits. The vehicle is in a doctor's office parking lot right next to a hotel close to this area.

[00:09:00]at 105.

[00:09:03]>> Yeah.

[00:09:05]>> Yeah. Yeah. We're over there. We did a parking lot.

[00:09:09]>> Yeah.

[00:09:24]>> We have one question, but that's going to be he was standing right by that stuff. So, I'm assuming that's going to be his phone.

[00:09:29]>> Okay.

[00:09:29]>> He heard over the radio someone asked where the car was.

[00:09:32]>> We never went past him, but he said, "Oh, it's in a doctor's parking lot." He said, "It's not from here, but it's close to a hotel."

[00:09:38]>> Okay.

[00:09:45]There's all the y'all want to start circulating.

[00:09:56]>> He had wandered through a creek, sat in a movie theater parking lot, wrestled with himself in the woods, and ultimately walked back toward the light.

[00:10:04]Officers arrive at the AMC theater parking lot and find him standing outside. No weapon, hands visible. He offers no resistance. He is placed in handcuffs and put in the back of a patrol car without incident. The ride to the Escambia County Sheriff's Office is quiet. The officers brought him in for the interrogation and today we will look into the psychological aspects of this interrogation.

[00:10:37]ever lean your chest all the way up against here for me.

[00:10:40]>> They do want the restraints on.

[00:10:43]>> They do want the restraint.

[00:10:44]>> Oh, yeah. Yeah.

[00:10:52]>> All right. So, going lean this out. Give this hand to my partner over here. Put it around in there. Okay. We're going to keep one on you. A little more comfortable.

[00:11:11]water.

[00:11:12]>> Water.

[00:11:12]>> You want water? You want a cup of water?

[00:11:14]All right.

[00:11:36]>> I'm investigator Mart. This is investigator low.

[00:11:39]>> You need more water, man. You good?

[00:11:42]Before we ask any questions, could you mind if I hit your first name so I know who I'm talking with?

[00:11:59]Listen, what's happened is happened.

[00:12:02]Okay? We can't go back now. All right?

[00:12:05]What we can try to do is one of those things >> will help us. We want to understand. But before that, >> how about we start with just your name?

[00:12:14]I don't even know who I'm talking to.

[00:12:16]How can I understand if I don't even know who you are, >> right?

[00:12:21]I told you who I am.

[00:12:23]>> Detectives open by offering Keith Water and asking simple, non-threatening questions about his name and age. This is rooted in rapport building theory, establishing a baseline of comfort before any substantive questioning begins, making the subject feel safe enough to keep talking.

[00:12:42]It doesn't matter.

[00:12:43]>> Yes, it does.

[00:12:45]>> It does, too. Cuz I don't want to be talking to no stranger.

[00:12:47]>> Nobody cares about >> Nobody give a [ __ ] >> How can nobody give [ __ ] We can't We don't even know who who your family is to be able to tell anybody.

[00:13:01]They don't care.

[00:13:04]>> I mean, do they live here? They live in Alabama. What's the deal?

[00:13:12]Okay. All right. Well, at least we know where you're from.

[00:13:23]Born and raised in Alabama.

[00:13:28]Mom and daddy still alive.

[00:13:50]Where you from in Alabama?

[00:13:54]>> Calbert.

[00:13:55]>> Where?

[00:13:56]>> Calbert.

[00:13:57]>> Cal.

[00:13:57]>> Calbert.

[00:14:00]>> Whole life?

[00:14:08]Yeah, but we don't we don't have to like call you hey you or anything like that, man. Just what's your name? Keith.

[00:14:15]>> Say Keith.

[00:14:19]All right, Keith.

[00:14:21]How old are you?

[00:14:25]>> 20. Just turned 20 or you going to turn 21?

[00:14:28]>> Turn 21 next year.

[00:14:30]>> You said next year or next week? next year.

[00:14:33]>> Okay.

[00:14:39]>> And what's your parents name? Keith, so we can let somebody know what's going on.

[00:14:45]I mean, here here's the thing. I know you said nobody cares about you, but people do.

[00:14:50]>> You don't know. You don't you don't understand. All I got is my baby.

[00:14:57]>> When Keith said, "Nobody cares about me." Detective Low immediately responded, "How can nobody give a [ __ ] We don't even know who your family is to tell anybody." This reflects motivational interviewing, reflecting the subject's own emotional language back at them to validate feelings without agreeing with their worldview, keeping them engaged.

[00:15:29]I just don't nobody care. My mama, my daddy.

[00:15:36]People act like they care but they don't only person only person that care.

[00:15:46]Nobody. I say my baby, but she's not old enough.

[00:15:52]Is she even a year yet?

[00:15:55]>> She's about 32.

[00:15:59]>> So just by me talking to you just right now, I'm guessing she's the only one the only baby you have.

[00:16:14]>> Is that car registered to you? The silver one? Is that a friend's car?

[00:16:20]>> Okay.

[00:16:25]Is that on your daddy's side? Mama's side.

[00:16:40]What's your baby's name?

[00:16:50]Case.

[00:16:51]>> Casey.

[00:16:58]>> Is she giving that name after somebody special?

[00:17:03]>> I picked it up.

[00:17:04]>> Yeah. After who?

[00:17:06]>> Just became for me. I like the case instead of the C. with the K because Monday.

[00:17:15]>> Does she spell it just the way it sounds or did you spell it something different?

[00:17:19]>> A C E.

[00:17:20]>> Okay. Spell with a K.

[00:17:23]See, cuz I spell it with a C. So that's fine.

[00:17:28]Does she take your last name?

[00:17:31]That's good.

[00:17:33]That's that's acknowledging that you're the daddy, right? Detectives repeatedly brought up Casey, Keith's infant daughter, as an emotional anchor. This is drawn from attachment theory, identifying the one relationship the subject values most, and using it as a psychological lever to keep them present, cooperative, and emotionally invested in the conversation from Alabama.

[00:18:01]All right. So, I know your mama, you said grandmother's on mama's side. Is she an AG2?

[00:18:06]Who is she? Age is your daddy's name.

[00:18:10]Okay. And you said he's still alive, right? Are you a junior?

[00:18:14]No.

[00:18:20]All right. Well, let me read these to you. Okay.

[00:18:24]You have the right to remain silent.

[00:18:26]Anything you say can be used as evidence against you in court. You have the right to have a lawyer present while being questioned. If you cannot afford to hire a lawyer, a lawyer will be appointed for you without cost before questioning. If you wish to answer questions now without a lawyer present, you will still have the right to stop answering questions at any time.

[00:18:45]This is saying that I I have read the statement of my rights above shown and I understand what my rights are. No promises or threats have been made to me or no pressure of any kind has been used against me.

[00:19:00]Keith, do you understand what I read you?

[00:19:03]You shake your head. No. What's your question about it?

[00:19:09]>> You don't understand your rights.

[00:19:12]I don't understand.

[00:19:14]>> Okay.

[00:19:16]Well, let me help you simplify it.

[00:19:18]What's the highest level education you had? Obviously, you must have got GED or graduated, right? Because you got a job.

[00:19:28]>> So, did you get a GED or did you graduate?

[00:19:30]>> Understand how this world works.

[00:19:35]So bad for help.

[00:19:40]>> It doesn't nobody help me. I tried to sign up for me to help.

[00:19:50]I say I don't know. I don't know. I just >> Do you still feel like you want to hurt yourself?

[00:20:05]I want to die. Like I don't care about rights. I don't care anymore. I just want to die. I don't want to die for a long time.

[00:20:14]>> Well, just like you said that no one's listening to you and no one has been listening to you. I'm listening to you today and I'm asking you, do you want to hurt yourself?

[00:20:23]When Keith expressed suicidal ideiation, detectives didn't panic or shift to a clinical tone. Instead, they said, "I'm listening to you today." This is grounded in active listening theory, demonstrating genuine, unhurried attention signals to a distress subject that speaking further is safe, effectively keeping the interrogation channel open.

[00:20:48]You talking about the ones you had earlier that you talked about?

[00:20:52]being alone, wanting to hurt yourself, want to hurt somebody else.

[00:21:06]If you don't mind me asking you, how does it start with you?

[00:21:15]I don't know.

[00:21:17]It's like argument >> within yourself.

[00:21:27]I just can't help it.

[00:21:37]I don't like Russian [ __ ] and I don't It's like out of nowhere against that thought idea. If I don't think it's a good idea, it really messes with me and then I feel like I'm having a seizure.

[00:22:00]It get hard to read.

[00:22:02]I can't control. Shake it.

[00:22:08]What it is? It's just like I got to walk.

[00:22:26]So, I'm just going to You have a dog?

[00:22:45]>> Yeah.

[00:22:47]>> I know you don't.

[00:22:49]>> Uh cuz I started when I was young. Cuz I'm like you. Okay.

[00:23:02]So, I've gone through babies twice.

[00:23:08]I was on the outskirts, thought I was done. Started all over again.

[00:23:13]>> Detective Low disclosed that he himself had children and understood the difficulty of young fatherhood. This is a classic application of social proof and self-disclosure theory. When an authority figure reveals personal vulnerability, it breaks down the perceived power imbalance and encourages the subject to reciprocate with their own honesty.

[00:23:33]>> I just want to know.

[00:23:36]>> What is that?

[00:23:37]>> I just want her to know I love her.

[00:23:44]>> Where she is she going somewhere?

[00:23:53]here in Pensacola.

[00:23:58]>> In where?

[00:23:59]>> Citrine.

[00:24:00]>> Citrino. Is that Alabama? Okay.

[00:24:08]So, I'm just going to guess from the jump they've been hard to deal with. Best size family.

[00:24:17]You tell me why they don't like you.

[00:24:25]It's because I'm talking to Brooklyn.

[00:24:36]I don't I don't know what it is.

[00:24:42]But if I get angry, then don't I know not to hurt somebody.

[00:24:49]I know I don't need to be hurt. Not every [ __ ] resemblance of violence caused me hurt then.

[00:25:00]I don't know. It's like I'm inclined to but it's better alternatives. I used I used I used to break her stuff and he mad I broke a phone and I don't know I didn't every time I'm nice I have broke broke my phone before back in the And they don't like me cuz I found out she cheated. I broke the phone.

[00:25:50]Found out she cheated. I broke the window. I got mad.

[00:25:54]>> Oh, you're not supposed to get emotional.

[00:25:57]>> How that's completely understandable.

[00:25:59]>> But no, they everybody calls me crazy. When Keith admitted breaking Brooklyn's phone and window during past arguments, detectives responded with, "That's completely understandable." This is rooted in minimization technique, a core component of the Reed interrogation method, where the investigator reduces the perceived moral weight of an admission to encourage the subject to keep confessing progressively larger details.

[00:26:26]>> Make sure everything's clean. I just ask for the truth. That's this.

[00:26:35]And what was she telling you?

[00:26:39]>> Was she blaming it on you?

[00:26:48]>> Was Brooklyn the only girl you had?

[00:26:51]>> Yeah.

[00:26:52]>> I wouldn't I wouldn't.

[00:26:57]And she played to my mama. Like I just wanted to talk to her and I told my mom multiple times.

[00:27:06]I don't care if we talk. It's okay. I just want to know if she gave me something.

[00:27:13]>> I don't want Hey, do you know you have something?

[00:27:18]>> Just last week was the day after I dropped off. I start coming back today.

[00:27:30]They told me that crap over the phone.

[00:27:33]>> Yeah.

[00:27:34]>> [ __ ] up the whole >> They couldn't even bring you in the office to tell you that.

[00:27:40]>> What? That you had gorrhea. They just doctor's office. They just >> Wow.

[00:27:55]So before the weekend, when's the last time you were with uh with Brooklyn?

[00:28:02]>> With probably a year and a half.

[00:28:06]>> So that's how that's how long you guys been separated for about year.

[00:28:19]>> Will you be real with me?

[00:28:20]>> Absolutely. Go ahead.

[00:28:26]Is she still alive?

[00:28:29]No, she's dead.

[00:28:40]>> Thank you.

[00:28:49]When Keith finally asked, "Is she still alive?" detectives answered plainly, "No, she's dead." without elaborating or piling on. This reflects strategic use of evidence, delivering a key fact in a neutral, matter-of-fact tone at the precise emotional moment the subject is ready to receive it, allowing the weight of reality to do the psychological work without triggering defensiveness.

[00:29:14]And I even told her I was like, "Well, went back to blocking each other." So, I'd rather just go back to blocking because I can't I can't control that. If you going to be rough and mean when you talking [ __ ] I'm trying to be understanding and understanding my reach to you. I can't can't do it.

[00:29:39]And so, we just So, does she even know that you were diagnosed and had a positive test for us?

[00:29:51]>> I told her like I had something. I was like, "Be real with me." I was like, "Can you give it to me?"

[00:29:57]Well, it's probably a [ __ ] Like, she says nobody like shot.

[00:30:14]When she talk about shot, one shot like >> Oh, I don't even I didn't ask, but I don't know. She might have been talking about Gro shot from birth control. Might be >> I ain't going to stop you from getting that big probably help you get pregnant.

[00:30:28]>> She said she got tested though. They say they tested you when you get I didn't I didn't look it up. I didn't know. I didn't ask. I was just like that sounds but she thought I was lying when I was like she's like think doing all this cuz I didn't teach you back like I told her text back I was like look before I told her I was like look we just go back not talking I rather block you just continue I was like look I didn't uh it's not that deep for me. I was like I'm not going to go this far just to make a commotion just to talk to you. If you don't want to talk to me that's that's perfectly fine. You're not supposed to be talking anyway, so I can't make you talk to me. I know. It's weird.

[00:31:07]But I was like I was like, "You gave me an STD and you blocked me or you stopped talking to me." I was like, "Can you just tell her truth?" Like, "Has she done before?

[00:31:33]But something in your mind and something you feel that end wasn't like I know what's up.

[00:31:41]>> No, I Yeah, I feel like I I knew what's up. But >> detectives repeatedly circle back to the timeline of Keith's relationship with Brooklyn, the weekend visit, the intimacy, the blocked calls without accusing him directly of lying. This reflects chronological narrative technique, a method where investigators walk the subject through events sequentially to identify emotional pressure points, allowing contradictions and confessions to surface organically rather than through confrontation.

[00:32:10]>> It's not even the point of of you having an STD and giving it to me. Just be honest about it.

[00:32:21]So is that what upset you more was the STD or that she was stepping out on you?

[00:32:26]>> STD I don't Brooklyn Brooklyn can live for like well Brooklyn I don't have I didn't have no problem with Brooklyn with Brooklyn being with somebody else.

[00:32:43]All I had problem was the STD.

[00:32:47]That was it. I just feel like as many times as I say, "Okay, Brooklyn, I know I got a great job work here. I know that, but I make more money." I don't mind being if we go out, if I decide to take case out for a weekend, it's going to be hard for me changing stuff. We go out to somewhere and we coming down to Pensacola, we actually I think about coming down to Pensacola down here just to go out for the weekend. And u it's like just uh cuz it's hard to have a girl in ch. I'm not the best type of changer. I'm not going to lie at all. I use like >> I'll say none of us are. That's not a skill they that we pop out knowing real well.

[00:33:28]>> We change the tire but not diaper.

[00:33:31]>> Yeah.

[00:33:31]>> On the side of the interstate busy cars going about 80 mph. But you give me a poopy diaper. Yeah. you though.

[00:33:38]>> I can change a tire like a damn NASCAR pit crew, but diaperm.

[00:33:42]>> Yeah, I got to plug my nose. I don't want to smell nothing. I don't even get a whiff of it. So So I don't have a problem with that. Hey, and if you decide not to go and change, let me know. I don't have a problem with that.

[00:34:06]Would it have changed the situation of Brooklyn? Would it answered you? I told you the truth >> or just not tried to blame you cuz that had to frustrate you cuz she's kind of like put it back on you. It was frustrating, but I try to be understanding because when I break stuff, be a good racing. I mean, I'm crazy and stuff like that, but it's hard to deal with a lot of [ __ ] going on.

[00:34:43]>> Detectives asked Keith point blank, "What upset him more, the STD or Brooklyn cheating?" Keith answered clearly. The STD wasn't even the point.

[00:34:52]It was her refusal to acknowledge it.

[00:34:54]This technique is called funnel questioning. Moving from broad, open-ended questions down to a precise, specific emotional truth, which in this case became the clearest articulation of motive. Keith provided the entire interrogation.

[00:35:14]>> Gets to be a lot, huh?

[00:35:22]I don't know. I used to cut myself used to used to make me feel better somehow and I be conflicted you because I don't know stupid.

[00:35:38]>> Arms or legs?

[00:35:39]>> No arms.

[00:35:42]I have a late at night when I can't sleep, I dig and scratch my legs. I can't help it. I don't know why. It's just like a feeling of anxiety or what do you call it? I don't know.

[00:36:02]That's the only thing I do. my legs which I haven't cut too and I'll see you there progress.

[00:36:18]It don't feel like progress. It's just feels like it gets worse.

[00:36:26]It's like every time I take the good weight, it's like the blowback takes it next level.

[00:36:35]It's like you being too nice on this part.

[00:36:48]I think that's why they where they get that saying feels like you take one step forward and two steps back.

[00:37:12]I don't deserve to live. I don't want to be here.

[00:37:18]>> You deserve to live.

[00:37:21]>> You got to be here for gangster.

[00:37:24]going to do that.

[00:37:26]>> He can't cuz you what? You said it yourself, right? You're a product of being felt like you all alone. Guess what?

[00:37:32]>> When Keith admitted to cutting himself, scratching his legs at night, and having suicidal ideiation since childhood, detectives didn't flinch or redirect.

[00:37:41]They stayed present and kept listening.

[00:37:44]This is grounded in traumainformed interviewing. Recognizing that subjects with unresolved trauma require a non-reactive, steady interviewer presence before they will fully disclose as any visible alarm shuts down vulnerability immediately.

[00:38:00]>> I got to the door. By the time I get to the door, it's like it's like switch the back >> cuz the pressure was gone.

[00:38:14]I swear [ __ ] up Keith.

[00:38:24]I mean say [ __ ] up Keith. Say you [ __ ] up. You know I feel like I say stuff like that. I say it as in sense too like another side of you.

[00:38:36]So you [ __ ] up.

[00:38:40]don't fix you without side of me just feeling like well for nothing. So I don't get to see Casey and stuff like this. I have to work.

[00:38:58]Money don't money is not everything just to have my family actually [ __ ] with actually feel like it's a genuine conversation.

[00:39:18]Somebody asked me how you feeling today, bro.

[00:39:32]I was about to think about case myself.

[00:39:50]trying to try.

[00:39:58]I was going I was going to kill myself.

[00:40:04]No lie. Be real with y'all. I was going to shoot no police officer, but I knew y'all shoot me if I up the gun. And y'all, y'all know that. So, that's that was my plan.

[00:40:16]>> What changed it?

[00:40:20]Eagle was like that monster that that thing that pushes me to drive to go to do it.

[00:40:28]>> None of them truly honestly by myself.

[00:40:31]Then >> when Keith revealed he had planned death by cop, but the anger drained away before he could go through with it.

[00:40:37]Detectives responded not with judgment but with curiosity. What changed it?

[00:40:42]This reflects motivational exploration theory. By treating the subject's internal conflict as worthy of understanding rather than condemnation, investigators extract deeply personal admissions that would never survive a confrontational approach.

[00:41:08]No doubt. Right, man. You just You got to know, right? I know the noise. She live. So, she didn't say I don't care. She didn't say where my car. That's all I wanted about my car. Right. Yeah. But she car Um, so I know why your mom didn't answer.

[00:41:35]>> Wow.

[00:41:36]>> She's in the hospital.

[00:41:39]>> Yeah. Um, she got a little overwhelmed with everything that was going on. Um, and she passed out.

[00:41:47]Um, and when she did, she kind of conked her head a little bit. So there, she's okay. But that's why she's not answering.

[00:41:56]But I but but what I'm going to tell you about that is that this whole thing caused her to pass out. That tells me that she cares a little more than you think.

[00:42:12]>> Oh, I was passing out.

[00:42:14]>> Yeah, >> I was passing all the way up. It's certain circumstances to it. I understand y'all.

[00:42:25]Y'all supposed to I wouldn't expect y'all to tell me, "Yeah, nobody cares about shit." Yeah, maybe you're right. No, but it's just hard, bro. It's hard when you be put in my shoes. And I'm I'm really thankful for you guys. I know it's your job and all, but I'm really thankful for you guys. It really means a lot to me to talk to me.

[00:42:49]Y'all know the feeling to be a daddy and stuff like that.

[00:42:59]But man, you feel problem, man. Long time, man.

[00:43:08]It's a long time.

[00:43:12]Well, I'm not trying to tell you that people don't care about you, and I'm not going to try and tell you they do. The only thing I was trying to say.

[00:43:20]Detectives revealed that Sheila passed out and hit her head upon hearing the news, framing it as proof she cared.

[00:43:26]That tells me she cares a little more than you think. This is a textbook use of reframing technique, taking a neutral or even negative fact and repositioning its meaning to serve the investigator's goal. In this case, dismantling Keith's core belief that nobody loved him, which was the emotional wall protecting him from full cooperation.

[00:43:48]But people I mean people clearly love you.

[00:43:53]>> I know that little girl loves you.

[00:43:59]>> She could text. She probably would.

[00:44:02]>> If I watch a couple videos of her if you watch videos turn it off here. Just turn it off then so we don't have to here. Turn it off.

[00:44:22]>> Um, iPhone unlock.

[00:44:25]Yeah, just turn all of them off.

[00:44:26]>> Okay.

[00:44:41]>> Will they play with it being uh as long as it's stored?

[00:44:48]Okay. Yeah. Turn it off. Okay. It should be off.

[00:44:50]>> Okay. Cool. So, I think I think they'll play >> photos >> right here.

[00:44:55]>> Yeah.

[00:45:11]>> That wave you're talking about.

[00:45:14]Was that in Mobile or here?

[00:45:21]>> It's C.

[00:45:22]>> Okay. Beach out there.

[00:45:25]>> No, I wouldn't wave.

[00:45:27]>> She's literally waving.

[00:45:32]>> She's a cutie.

[00:45:37]>> Pretty sure she got your nose.

[00:45:39]>> That's what they say.

[00:46:01]She thinks that's funny. She pushed somebody.

[00:46:05]Oh, that's what you're doing. You're falling back. Yeah, I got pushing off the stick. That's funny.

[00:46:13]You mind if I show him?

[00:46:16]>> I just Yeah, you've been sitting here, too. So cute little girl, isn't she?

[00:46:21]>> Showing Keith videos of Casey on his phone was the single most deliberate psychological move of the entire interrogation. This draws from anchoring theory in behavioral psychology. By creating a vivid, emotionally overwhelming anchor point, detectives tied Keith's will to survive and cooperate directly to his daughter's image, ensuring that anchor would outlast the interrogation room and discourage any future recanning.

[00:46:46]>> Yeah, cuz she needs that.

[00:46:49]>> Okay.

[00:46:52]>> You remember what we read earlier?

[00:46:56]>> I just need you just put your name there and sign it.

[00:47:09]I know you probably saw it on the videos and I smoke weed to calm down. I didn't really want to say that. I don't care. I know you don't care. It's not point down, but you know.

[00:47:22]>> But but you know what? You know what the bottom line is? Is is I'm I'm not supposed to say this because I'm the police. Weed's going to be legal in five years anyway.

[00:47:31]>> So, so what? So, I mean, honestly, and what does it matter?

[00:47:35]>> Okay, you smoke weed to calm down.

[00:47:37]>> Okay, noted. I appreciate you being honest with me about it, though.

[00:47:41]>> I knew I was going to look through and see pictures of weed. Probably not be like, "Oh, it's irrelevant." But, you know, >> I'm going be like, "Okay, he smokes weed. So does pretty much everybody that can."

[00:47:55]>> Okay. So, yeah. Not Not a big deal.

[00:47:58]Appreciate you, man.

[00:47:59]>> Absolutely. You need anything, I'll get you the blanket. I'll >> restroom.

[00:48:01]>> We track down blanket. I >> I got to pee. But if if y'all are moving me in the next 20, 30 minutes, like just hold it.

[00:48:07]>> It's probably not going to be the next 20 30 minutes. I'd rather get you pee.

[00:48:10]Give me just a second. I'm going to let him get started on the paperwork. Let me go grab somebody. Um and we'll go. I'll take it.

[00:48:18]>> Give me one. I know we signed it, but can you raise your right hand? I swear that what you told me today is the truth. To the best in knowledge.

[00:48:24]>> To the best of my knowledge, yes, sir.

[00:48:25]Is the truth.

[00:48:26]>> Okay. And everything you told us, you told us because you wanted to tell us.

[00:48:29]It wasn't You didn't promise you. We didn't threaten you.

[00:48:32]>> You didn't promise me. You didn't threaten me anything. Everything I knew, I already knew what was going to happen, what was going down, and I still appreciate y'all for going the extra mile for me.

[00:48:40]>> Well, the bottom line is is and I mean it. Okay.

[00:48:44]>> Hey, this ain't no act for us. We >> This is an act, okay? You I see the responsible guy in you and I know that your anger gets the better of you and I know that's what happened today.

[00:48:56]is you let it control you instead of you controlling it.

[00:48:59]>> Yeah.

[00:49:00]>> And I get that. But that doesn't make you a bad guy.

[00:49:04]>> Just because you just because just cuz you make a bad choice in a moment doesn't make you a bad guy. Okay.

[00:49:10]>> I think I think >> Okay.

[00:49:14]>> Yes, sir.

[00:49:14]>> All right. Give me just a second. Let me get somebody. I'll take you to the bathroom. Okay.

[00:49:17]>> As the interrogation closed, detectives asked Keith to swear that everything he said was voluntary with no promises or threats made. This is grounded in commitment and consistency principle derived from Robert Sealini's influence research. Once a person publicly declares their actions were free and voluntary, they become psychologically bound to that declaration, making it exponentially harder to later claim coercion or retract the confession.

[00:49:43]>> These are my partners, investigator Al investigator. They don't take you to the bathroom so I can help investigator Martinez get going on stuff. So you're not sitting here forever. Okay. So just if they work with us, our colleagues just, you know, treat them the same way you've been treating us. And >> so they got to put this stuff on you.

[00:49:59]It's procedure.

[00:50:03]>> Thank you guys.

[00:50:04]>> You're welcome.

[00:50:04]>> We'll take care.

[00:50:07]>> You good on water, too?

[00:50:09]>> Yes, sir.

[00:50:09]>> You need like a Sometimes you don't get hungry. Stuff like this happens. But if you >> you can lay something, man. I mean >> Huh?

[00:50:18]>> I mean, you can bring something if you want.

[00:50:20]>> Snack, some chips or something? Yeah, I get you. Uh, >> go underneath the other way. That way.

[00:50:59]Take a Like I asked him uh if he could. He said he would for a blanket. I'll see if I can find something.

[00:51:24]>> Just from the cold. I've been in the water.

[00:51:26]>> Yeah, I hear you.

[00:51:36]>> This one. Yeah.

[00:51:46]That feel okay?

[00:51:47]>> Yeah.

[00:51:56]>> I need some chips. You get anything to drink?

[00:51:58]>> Um, I just walked.

[00:52:01]>> Yeah, appreciate you. Thank you so much.

[00:52:03]No problem.

[00:52:03]>> I'll get you two new cup.

[00:52:07]The final moments, offering a blanket, a bathroom break, chips, and a reminder that Keith would always be Casey's father, were not acts of kindness alone.

[00:52:16]They reflect reciprocity principle in social psychology. When people receive care and dignity, they feel an unconscious obligation to reciprocate with honesty and cooperation, leaving the subject in a state of gratitude rather than resentment, which secures the confession's emotional and legal durability.

[00:52:38]If you get the blade for me, I >> used to have one. I don't know what happened to it.

[00:53:01]>> Hey, we we improvise. I'm going to give you one of our jackets, but I can't find a blanket.

[00:53:05]>> Appreciate you, bro. Just put on my bank. I'm probably >> appreciate y'all, man. You just you just going to be an honorary employee for a little bit.

[00:53:16]>> You need anything else right now?

[00:53:17]>> That's it.

[00:53:18]>> All right. We'll come and check on you a little bit. Okay.

[00:54:02]Detectives provided Keith with a jacket, chips, water, and a blanket before leaving him alone. These small gestures of physical comfort are grounded in Moslo's hierarchy of needs. By first addressing Keith's most basic physiological needs, investigators ensured he remains psychologically stable enough to stay cooperative rather than shutting down completely or becoming hostile during the closing stages of the interrogation.

[00:54:30]>> What's I got my phone?

[00:54:32]>> Yeah. Stuff like >> uh I had text my mom beforehand. You had text your mama what?

[00:54:43]>> I had text my mama beforehand.

[00:54:45]>> Okay.

[00:54:46]>> Okay. And u no sense of u holding you feel me? Y'all got the phone open.

[00:54:58]I was lying when I said uh I was I was like you know what I do? I was like I I was like I shoot I'll shoot somebody in front of the police and get away.

[00:55:14]I was talking [ __ ] obviously but I knew it didn't matter then but still it's like the only thing all shit's coming back to me at once and >> that was today you text her that.

[00:55:25]>> Gotcha.

[00:55:26]>> Cuz I was just telling her like I just want to die. I was like she's like I'm going to jail like jail. She's like, "I want police to kill."

[00:55:38]Like, I told you like, "I just want police."

[00:55:43]>> Well, I'm so glad you didn't make that decision.

[00:55:47]That's all I'm doing.

[00:55:48]>> I know. I I I know it's hard and I know it feels like like some in some way like this is the end, but that's what I'm telling you is it doesn't have to be.

[00:55:57]>> I mean, yeah, whatever whatever's going to happen from today is going to happen.

[00:56:01]I mean, we you and I both know and we've shot we've shot straight with each other all the way along. Okay.

[00:56:06]>> So, like I'm not going to sit here and insult you and pretend that like like I mean >> like you know ain't nothing going to happen.

[00:56:14]>> No. No. I I mean it's it's a [ __ ] mess. I mean you >> I know. I know. I know.

[00:56:19]>> I I I mean you know that >> I mean you and I believe what I told you earlier. I I think that you you let you let the anger get the best of you and I you know you made a bad choice and and I still stand by what I said that doesn't make you a bad guy.

[00:56:38]>> You made a bad choice and you're going to have to deal with the consequences of that. There's >> there's there's no there's nothing that you nor I at this point can do about that.

[00:56:49]>> But and here's the but because this is the important part. When Keith voluntarily disclosed that he had texted his mother before the shooting saying he wanted police to kill him, detectives responded calmly with, "I'm still glad you didn't make that decision." This is an application of non-judgmental positive regard drawn from Carl Rogers person- centered therapy by receiving a deeply incriminating disclosure without alarm or condemnation. Investigators reinforced Keith's trust and kept him willing to keep talking freely.

[00:57:18]>> You'll get an attorney assigned to you.

[00:57:20]>> Go to court.

[00:57:22]>> Well, I just I just asked I I wanted to ask you just just what might possibly happen.

[00:57:28]>> Well, and and a lot of that depends. I I don't know. So, after it leaves us today, it's kind of out of Martinez and I's hand at that point because we we hand the case off to a prosecutor.

[00:57:39]>> Yeah. Yeah. DA.

[00:57:40]>> So, it'll be them that makes those decisions about what's appropriate within the, you know, within the process, um how that all goes. But, you know, for for me and and I'm telling you right now for Casey down the road, it goes a long way that like you you made one bad choice. You could have made more, but you didn't.

[00:58:07]>> No, I didn't.

[00:58:08]>> You stepped up and you were a man and you did the right thing and you called and you turned yourself in and you said, "You know what? I screwed up. I'm going to take responsibility for it. And you came in here and you didn't play games because I'm telling you, we've sat in this room with so many people that try to play games, try to excuse what they did, try to get out of it.

[00:58:30]>> And you didn't do that. You took you took responsibility and ownership for what you did.

[00:58:34]>> And at the end of the day, and I'm not telling you this to blow smoke up your ass because we haven't done that to each other once.

[00:58:39]>> And we're not going to.

[00:58:42]>> The reality is at the end of the day that you'll be able to look at Casey and go, you know what? I went in there and I I yes, I messed up, but I told the truth and I told what happened and I owned up to my responsibility. I didn't try to blame somebody else for something else or any I made I screwed up.

[00:59:00]>> I screwed up. Yeah.

[00:59:01]>> And at the end of the day, you can look your daughter in the eye and say that with all sincerity.

[00:59:05]>> Yeah. Yeah.

[00:59:07]>> And and the reality is is that, >> you know, she may be mad at you as she grows up.

[00:59:14]>> But don't ever give up. You keep loving her and you keep showing her love and you write to her and you call her, whatever happens.

[00:59:26]>> Okay.

[00:59:27]>> That's what you're living for.

[00:59:29]>> 25. Two life.

[00:59:30]>> That's what the book says.

[00:59:31]>> I I was just asking does mean I'll be in prison for >> So 25. So the the the 25 means 25 years.

[00:59:39]Typically have to do 80% of that.

[00:59:41]>> So close to 20 almost 22 21.

[00:59:44]>> Yeah. What I >> Okay. I don't I don't want to do math.

[00:59:48]>> I know what you're saying. Yeah.

[00:59:50]>> We'll do math.

[00:59:51]>> So maybe bust the calculator out.

[00:59:54]>> When Keith asked directly whether he would spend the rest of his life in prison, the detective answered honestly, 25 to life, 80% minimum. This reflects radical transparency as an interrogation strategy. Research in behavioral psychology shows that when authority figures respond to direct questions with unvarnished honesty rather than deflection, subjects experience a powerful sense of mutual respect that deepens their cooperation and reduces the likelihood of later recanting their statements.

[01:00:22]>> A lot of people going to judge me off this day of my character.

[01:00:25]>> They are. They are. But >> and it feels good to at least know somebody heard my story.

[01:00:32]>> Well, and we're I mean, we're gonna tell your story. I mean, that's the thing, you know, we're required to talk about what went on in here. And we're going to tell your story. You came in here, you owned it.

[01:00:47]You didn't try to run from me. You didn't try to hide.

[01:00:51]Okay? That's important.

[01:00:55]turned yourself in.

[01:00:58]All that's documented and what you said is documented and at some point those words are going to get out and that's fine. Let them get out because it's you taking ownership of your actions and what happened today.

[01:01:18]And that's the right step.

[01:01:22]You will look back on it 10 years from now and you'll be like, you know what?

[01:01:25]I'm glad. I'm glad I took the high road.

[01:01:28]>> Yeah.

[01:01:28]>> I'm glad I did the right thing when I had that opportunity.

[01:01:34]>> That's why I keep telling myself >> and you should just remember when you talk to yourself, tell tell yourself the positive stuff.

[01:01:44]Okay? We can acknowledge our failures and still talk, you know, still talk positively. A single moment doesn't define who we are.

[01:01:54]Okay.

[01:01:56]All right. I'm going to go help him so we can get you out of here.

[01:02:00]>> I can't promise it won't be any more warm over there, but at least they'll give you a full set of clothes.

[01:02:07]>> Yeah. I just need to get out these wet clothes.

[01:02:09]>> I hear you. So, if I had a pair of pants, >> we came with a jacket.

[01:02:14]>> You good, man. That's good enough, man.

[01:02:15]I don't think I don't think my pants will fit you.

[01:02:19]>> Throughout the closing stages, detectives consistently framed Keith's decision to turn himself in and cooperate as evidence of good character.

[01:02:28]You took the high road. You owned it.

[01:02:30]You didn't play games. This is a deliberate application of behavioral labeling theory. When an authority figure attaches a positive identity label to a subject's actions, the subject becomes psychologically motivated to live up to that label going forward, which in legal terms means they are far less likely to recant or obstruct.

[01:02:52]>> All right, sorry for the delay, man.

[01:02:54]It's all about paperwork.

[01:02:56]>> We finally got it done.

[01:02:58]>> All right, so I'm going to go ahead and tell you what your charges are. Okay. So, um the first one is the first-degree murder of uh Brooklyn Simps. Okay. Now, you have two other charges. Okay. Because in the shooting, two other people got hit by bullets.

[01:03:19]>> They're they're okay.

[01:03:21]>> Okay. Yes, they're okay.

[01:03:22]>> They got hit. They got grazed, but >> they got grazed. They didn't like nothing or nothing like that.

[01:03:28]>> Minor injuries. They were treated to the hospital and been released.

[01:03:31]>> Yeah.

[01:03:32]>> Yeah. Yeah.

[01:03:32]>> Okay. So, those are the other two charges that we didn't talk about. Okay.

[01:03:37]>> So, and those are two charges for aggravated battery.

[01:03:39]>> And honestly, we didn't know when we walked in here or talked to you. So, our guys that are working the scene told us that after we walked out of here. So, just so you know, all about the honesty.

[01:03:50]I thank you for going to be able to get a blanket when you get over to >> Oh, yeah. They'll get you those off. So, they'll get you in real close, too. That way you can get out of that wet [ __ ] I got to help you behind. when we take you over there.

[01:04:21]Um, I'll put that jacket back on you.

[01:04:24]>> Okay.

[01:04:24]>> Um, but I'm going to take it off before we walk into the jail because you don't need to walk in the jail. Sheriff's office jacket. Okay.

[01:04:31]>> I don't want anybody to get the wrong impression.

[01:04:33]>> Oh, >> cause you any grief unnecessarily.

[01:04:40]Here, tilt your hands back toward me. I just want to double lock these cuffs so they don't tighten down on you while we're riding over there.

[01:04:47]All right.

[01:04:50]jacket. I'll just pull it before we get out.

[01:04:59]We're going to go to the right.

[01:05:03]Before transferring Keith to the jail, the detective removed his own jacket that had been draped over Keith's shoulders, explaining he didn't want Keith walking into the jail, wearing it in case it caused him unnecessary trouble with other inmates. This quiet, practical act of protection reflects stewardship psychology. The investigator had shifted from interrogator to something closer to a guardian. And this final gesture of care ensured that Keith's last emotional memory of the interrogation was one of being protected rather than processed. A distinction that has profound implications for how cooperative defendants remain through trial.

[01:05:37]Keith AG was found guilty of first-degree premeditated murder on December 20th, 2023 and was immediately sentenced to a mandatory life in prison without the possibility of parole by the Honorable Judge Coleman Lee Robinson.

[01:05:50]The judge described the case as a title wave of effects and called it a textbook definition of premeditated murder, adding that A.G. had blamed Brooklyn Sims for something that, in a devastating irony, was never even her fault. as evidence submitted after the verdict confirmed Sims did not have an STD at all. AG was also convicted on two counts of aggravated battery for the injuries sustained by two of Sims's co-workers during the shooting.

[01:06:15]Following the verdict, AG addressed the court, saying he could not ask for forgiveness, but expressed gratitude for having had Brooklyn in his life. Words that came too late for the 18-year-old mother whose daughter Casey, as Brooklyn's mother, Cornelius Sims, put it, lost a mother, a father, and a grandmother all on the same duh.