GARLASCO SATURDAY

Added: 2026-05-24

[00:00:54]Good afternoon everyone. We organized this live show on the fly because it was scheduled for 5 pm, then we said let's bring it forward, DJ Jump wasn't open, we said let's open this time. So with us today we have Hello the silence tells.

[00:01:11]Hello everyone who's already in the chat, hugs to everyone.

[00:01:18]And we have Lia. Hi Lia, hi. Good afternoon everyone.

[00:01:24]And hello Danilo.

[00:01:26]And who could be missing?

[00:01:28]Bravo.

[00:01:30]Hey, hello everyone. Hi Lia. Bye bye guys chat.

[00:01:35]Hi.

[00:01:36]So, let's start listening to something, then we'll start the live show. I'm all it 's an obligation of each I don't feel. I can't hear it. I can't hear it either.

[00:01:58]But go and get it. But go and get it.

[00:02:01]But go and get it. I heard that. She felt sick.

[00:02:13]Go get it, go get it. Go get it. I heard it well.

[00:02:17]Go get it in He 's a hero. He became a hero. Eh, Lovati last night.

[00:02:22]Oh, sure, he became a hero yesterday.

[00:02:28]Light gone.

[00:02:30]Rightly, rightly they invite him to talk about Garlasco and the and the and the Abruzzo to attack him and contest the fact of the invoice or not of the invoice.

[00:02:39]I can't hear you.

[00:02:42]So, anyway, Lia you started one with Walter, wait, wait Walter he can't hear Lia, can you hear me?

[00:02:51]Me, yes. Elijah couldn't hear you. She's out, I think.

[00:02:55]Ah, to return Barone Birra said what everyone wants to say to Abruzzo.

[00:03:10]Danilo, right?

[00:03:13]Me too. Wait till I hear you. Assault. I heard. Assaults. I don't know either. But it's us, eh, who aren't going. Now wait, go, go for a moment.

[00:03:23]Trial.

[00:03:24]Yes, can you hear me?

[00:03:27]Yes, I hear you now. Now I hear you.

[00:03:29]I was saying, I was saying that, eh, Alia said it too, eh, that yesterday Lovati said what we would all like to say to Aruzzone.

[00:03:42]Yes.

[00:03:44]So, so it 's really really Anyway, let's get back to the topic. Yes, it's becoming a mess, eh, the media thing, everything that revolves around the investigations, the investigations themselves.

[00:04:00]Danilo, we're no longer just talking about complaints against someone, but complaints against someone else. We're talking about eh phone calls.

[00:04:14]By Danilo.

[00:04:16]No, no, not you.

[00:04:19]I wasn't telling you anything, it seems that the case has been put aside that the K, Pizzoni, eh Lovati are more important.

[00:04:28]Well, that's how it is, that is, when what is most clearly evident is what will come out. Apparently, there's no talk of complaints anymore, even to the people in the chat.

[00:04:46]Oh, actually.

[00:04:47]Yes, yes, of course, there are also complaints, people in the chat and this thing is almost confirmed, that is, it is confirmed that there will also be that someone in the chat. So guys, when you write names, surnames and various things, you are also references, eh, also references, also reference.

[00:05:12]Be very careful.

[00:05:15]And then obviously after Lovati, we had two really hot nights, basically. We had Underensis who shot, who let off steam, who as a person normally is always super good, polite, never speaks, never says anything, leaves things misunderstood and everything. Instead, he started off dry. Lovati couldn't stay behind yesterday and then tomorrow Lovati and the mayoral elections begin and moreover I don't know how he managed to be on TV yesterday because eh it would take at least 3 days of silence for whoever is a candidate. I don't want to be wrong, eh, unless there is some variation. Three days of silence regarding the electoral program. Certainly not. Eh, but you shouldn't even let yourself be seen, right?

[00:06:12]So in my opinion they will attack Cassese in the end and even if he wins he will be defeated.

[00:06:20]Yes.

[00:06:21]Mh mh.

[00:06:22]Because I don't know. It's something that informed, eh. If he could go and talk about the Carlasco case.

[00:06:29]I think so too, but it's also just seeing the person. Someone, in my opinion, might get attached to that thing there.

[00:06:38]It's something we talked about with the super expert on these things, Corin and Corina, if Corin told me he couldn't, he couldn't.

[00:06:50]There is I do n't know. However, I honestly don't think Lovati is clueless. He pretends to be clueless, but he isn't.

[00:06:58]And maybe he didn't think about it or maybe Nuzzi fooled him because he wanted Cassese's son to win, who knows.

[00:07:08]There, however, you noticed that as soon as the investigations excluded the Ks, the disputes began.

[00:07:18]I ask the question: did they exclude you? If you 're out of the spotlight, what do you do? you feel protected and then you start attacking left and right, finishing under the spotlights. I know, there's certainly a disproportionate, significant abuse of the legal system, because it's one thing to defend one's reputation, and therefore to rightfully defend oneself from defamation and the like, but the numbers don't match what a normal defense might be.

[00:08:02]Furthermore, the very latest complaint against Di Rensis, who said absolutely nothing defamatory during the 2 p.m. broadcast—absolutely nothing, that is, there's no hint of anything that could in any way constitute slander or defamation, demonstrates the inconsistency of the legal actions being taken. So, from there you realize how the abuse is truly disproportionate and how it's something inconceivable and incomprehensible, honestly.

[00:08:42]which in any case seems to all belong to the same family, that is, it is now a strain of people who act in this way and with the reckless complaint, with the reckless denunciation and I do not exclude that a spotlight could be shed on this issue, sincerely, because it is not normal, it is not legitimate and it is not normal.

[00:09:13]However, I heard that he also filed another complaint referring to what Daamilo said, I think.

[00:09:21]What Derensis Da Milo said.

[00:09:26]Eh, but what did he say? He didn't say anything. I mean, more than telling the truth, but if you tell the truth you've told an episode that's true, okay? So it's not defamation. By the way, he also refrained from giving an interpretation to that phone call. He said: "As a free citizen, I have the right to form whatever beliefs I want regarding this matter." But he hasn't said at all what his beliefs are.

[00:09:54]Yes, of course, indeed.

[00:09:55]So there is nothing defamatory in what he said at 2pm.

[00:09:59]Absolutely nothing.

[00:10:02]Danilo, so, sorry, I just read the law for a moment since, that is, since midnight on Friday.

[00:10:12]Yes, but we can't talk about politics.

[00:10:15]No, no, from midnight on Friday he's basically not supposed to appear or do anything, so from midnight on Friday he has to stay, midnight on Friday he has to be inside. He was first, I predict, I mean, I think I understand, right? Before midnight, anyway from midnight on Friday, so everything is normal.

[00:10:38]Great Lovati, also because tomorrow the brown zone will be filming in front of the polling station where Lovati votes, so, get ready because it will be hilarious. All right? Apart from that, intellistalo, the tistolo.

[00:10:56]Yes, now I sent him a message telling me where to vote, so let's get back to the important thing, Lia. The fact is that the expert assessment, the datiloscopic one of print 33, revealed a cluster that practically gives 100% of the print to Andrea Sempie and is worth much more than the 16-17 minutes. Yes.

[00:11:27]So, Ibronza 33 is the main factor in the counter-defense proceedings, and the demonstration of the power of this element is also given by the fact that the defense no longer insists on talking about the lack of minutiae, but shifts all its attention to the imprint of step zero, trying to undermine that in order to then weaken imprint 33, therefore the strategy has shifted to step zero.

[00:12:06]They also stated that in their opinion it would even be possible to avoid the indictment thanks to their new consultancy.

[00:12:14]Yes, yes. Well, because it would remove any kind of foundation from the fact that those shoe prints could belong to Sempio.

[00:12:28]We'll see, we'll see. I believe that fingerprint 33 associated with the zero step fingerprint, but with the statements of the former members of the RIS who intervened at the time, therefore direct testimony from three exponents, from three investigators is really, let's say, very very very difficult to contest.

[00:12:53]Exact. Exact. Exact. Danilo is the smoking gun, the one in quotation marks, because he's not exactly smoking smoking, but he is the one for whom the best weapon is the best weapon they have. The best weapon they have. And surely then combined with everything else, you know, when you add all the things together, the prosecutor's office surely has something important and so we'll see, even though I have the suspicion that something could happen by the 28th, it seems to me, right? 20 days, 27 28, eh, but I don't know, as we also spoke yesterday with Mariano, in the sense that it could also be that he shows up to testify earlier. Yes, okay, they opened up the possibility of an interrogation, eh. I 've heard it said, they have n't completely ruled it out yet. Regarding a question I was asked in chat, well, there are rumors going around a lot about whether any other suspects will emerge, and it could be that other files will come out during the trial.

[00:14:24]Yes, other files, other things could very well be. It could be, it could be, but it could be.

[00:14:33]We know that Brescia is closing soon, guys. The Brescia investigation will reveal more than a few things, which will obviously strengthen the case against Esempio, because let's remember that corruption cannot ignore the probability that Esempio committed that murder.

[00:14:55]Yes, yes. I have nothing to do with it.

[00:14:58]Well, what are the other points that we can associate with and the import?

[00:15:06]Thank you Besta Graphic, thank you. You received a super.

[00:15:10]Thanks Grafic. Thank you with all my heart. Thank you with all my heart.

[00:15:14]Dad, I always go and get Chiara's ticket myself. it would be worth checking.

[00:15:18]Well, Valescià compared the note found at the cemetery with the notes from dad Giuseppe.

[00:15:28]They show a lot of correspondences, but you know, I'm still made by artificial intelligence, so we should have a graphologist, a graphologist and see, but she said it too, she was very clear, eh.

[00:15:45]Yes, yes, yes. Thank you Best Graphic, thank you so much. And I was saying 33 DNA fingerprints under the nails and three phone calls. In my opinion those are the heaviest elements and the receipt.

[00:15:58]They are the heaviest elements. Hi Max.

[00:16:02]The three phone calls are heavy, they become heavy also by virtue of the interception where he talks about the phone being hung up, he talks about I don't want to talk to you and videos and everything. In my opinion, that is the only relevant wiretap that cannot be denied or dismantled because until they find the comment they want to refer to or the video they want to refer to, they have nothing to dismantle that wiretap.

[00:16:35]and consequently it is he who directly refers to those phone calls which, as Antonelli says, fills those phone calls with content with that interception and therefore becomes an even stronger element than it has been up to now, right?

[00:16:53]Then I also wanted to say something, Walter, about the Ferrari letters, right?

[00:16:58]Yes. Yesterday I even watched it, I didn't watch Quarto grado because I care about my liver, but I saw some clips, let's say, about my group especially. And in Ferrari's statements, she reiterates that she absolutely does not regret sending those letters, and that she would do it again today. Um, but I wanted to remind everyone, including myself and Mrs. Ferrari, that it was n't Alberto Stasi's mother who brought Andrea Secpio into the picture.

[00:17:30]Alberto Stasi's mother simply commissioned a detective agency to gather evidence that could reveal her son's innocence, and the SKP detective agency turned a spotlight on the phone calls and the receipt. So Mrs. Ferrari should probably have sent those letters to the detective agency, not to Stasi's mother, who simply did what she does today: defend her son.

[00:18:01]But more than or even the Poggi. Well yes. or even the Poggis, because in any case even the Poggis the latest developments, all the focus has been placed on the complaint against Marchetto. Look, Napoleon communicated it, eh, Civardi clarified. Cibardi, Cibardi. Yes, and that complaint against Marchetto made him prick up his ears.

[00:18:34]That 's the point. But come on, I say, regardless of the fact that you might be angry and send a letter, the phrase money and friends eh override justice.

[00:18:51]So, look, that's how they express themselves, right, Walter, who are in line with all the consultants, with all the experts, with all those who support the defensive line, who defend Sempio, who accuse Alberto.

[00:19:07]That is, they all express themselves in the same way. From this point of view, they are perfectly aligned with regard to the lack of respect, the lack of divinity, the vulgarity, the systematic delegitimization of anything and everything, any other professional figure who tries not to dismantle their theories.

[00:19:33]They express themselves in exactly these vulgar ways that have nothing to do with education or respect.

[00:19:40]You justified that sentence yesterday by saying that it was obviously referring to the opportunity Alberto Stasi had to hire a detective agency, therefore because he had the financial means to do so. But I can also take that sentence like this, I don't want to necessarily give it a different meaning, but in any case it is a sentence that truly measures the moral caliber of these individuals. In my opinion.

[00:20:11]This is certain.

[00:20:14]But Danilo, as an excuse, I'll ask you for a moment how we're doing with likes, guys, given that there are about 700 of us in joint investigations, Walter deserves a few likes, eh, at least, and also a few subscriptions. For those who are not registered, I have to advertise every now and then.

[00:20:35]Go Walter. Danilo, do you think the states would have done the same thing? Had they been in di Sempio's place? I do not believe. Surely.

[00:20:48]Short answer. Short answer. I mean, that 's the point. Let us also remember Stasi's father who is no longer with us. Well, I mean, a whole thing that guys don't have, don't have. I think the Stasi story is special. From what I understand, he's already signed a deal with Netflix, I think.

[00:21:09]Yes, for a TV series.

[00:21:13]Yes, it's well done. He did well.

[00:21:16]Ah, well, but he makes billions at Palate Stasi, right? He has to do it in spades, huh? must recover the best years.

[00:21:27]No, they will never give back the years, the best years, maybe, let's say, eh, I mean, no, those are the years, those are the years in which you build your life, where you become independent, you start a family 40, guys. Well, 20 to 40 are the best years.

[00:21:46]You are in the center, you are in the prime of life. You are No, it is the plan in which you build a life for yourself.

[00:21:51]Yes, you build a life for yourself. Then they can also be better from 60 to 90, but they are the years that you really live life are the ones that yes, no, it really was But look, I say it here, I expect, I expect from all the people who are working today for Alberto Stasi, thanks Barbara for the coffee, thanks YouTubers, journalists, commentators and lawyers, professionals I expect that if there really were a stop to Alberto's MOT, this time we are all united and we take to the streets and make a patat truck because I don't even want to consider the idea that Alberto Stasi doesn't have access to the MOT. I really don't want it, I don't even want to think about this absurdity.

[00:22:50]Yes. So, if something so absurd were to really happen, I trust that this time, something that never happens in Italy, people will truly unite and stand together to do something.

[00:23:08]Certain.

[00:23:09]I greet a very dear friend, this is a very dear personal friend, Cristian, a musician, composer, a great man. Bye bye Cristian. Hi, hi, nice to meet you guys it seems.

[00:23:24]Thanks Max, also for the coffee.

[00:23:27]Thank you with all my heart. Thank you with all my heart.

[00:23:30]Tell us, tell us, tell us, apparently, if things are confirmed, Tizzoni will give up being the Poggis' lawyer if they appear as civil plaintiffs.

[00:23:41]And it's a Sure, it's obvious. We would be missing walls and maybe Why? How come?

[00:23:48]Maybe Why? It is not known. Then I'll tell you, then I'll tell you, then I'll tell you.

[00:23:53]Can I say it? That's one thing, right?

[00:23:55]So, let me explain this thing well because I mean this is, I mean, it would be illogical otherwise, right? If I have been committed all my life, because Tizzoni has also been committed all his life to this matter to establish Stasi's guilt and when he spoke yesterday he had the news inside him, he already talked about the Supreme Court regarding the review, so he has already told us that the Poggi family will not give up in the face of a positive judgment on the review, but obviously will appeal against an initial decision, so therefore he has already anticipated this. It's clear that if I take such a clear position to reiterate that Alberto Stasi is guilty, I cannot be a civil party or an injured party in the trial against another person accused of the same murder. So if the parents want to make this choice they can do so, but he rightly, perhaps for the first time, thanks, referring to the ethics he should adhere to, declared that he will not be the Poggis' lawyer.

[00:25:03]But I believe something else. I believe Tizzoni won't go as far as joining the civil action; he won't even have to raise the issue because, in my opinion, something will happen first that will keep him well away from this whole affair, which is what we all think. Ah ah ok.

[00:25:24]that perhaps someone who said that because the other evening, for example, De Rensis told Damilo "The K is not the head of the snake."

[00:25:36]No, no, he put it, he said it, huh? he said it.

[00:25:39]Eh, but I never thought it was Kenta, honestly.

[00:25:44]Me neither, me neither. Hi Massimo.

[00:25:47]Eh, I didn't even think that he was the head of the snake. Me niether.

[00:25:57]This one probably says, "Oh, if we go and they join the civil action, I won't be the lawyer anymore."

[00:26:03]Eh, it really stinks to me, though. Eh, Fermodromo said it's the head's daughter. The daughter of the head. No, I don't think so, I don't think so.

[00:26:14]No, no, no, no, no. It 's another head. In my opinion it's right on that side. It 's another head.

[00:26:22]Hmm.

[00:26:23]Because anyway, all the people, all the strange things, always refer to Tizzoni, eh, Lia, all of them.

[00:26:35]Barbaini calls him and says, "I'll explain to you how to always stop." But look Walter, now it's Palistiano that's what happened, I mean it's really clear, it's very clear. It's written in black and white in the Carabinieri report what happened. There is no more doubt.

[00:26:57]Yes, we have to stay away from that.

[00:27:02]Whether this will lead to media and legal consequences depends largely on the specific types of crimes identified, and therefore on the statute of limitations.

[00:27:16]So, on this point, I honestly don't know if there will be any legal consequences, but on the ethical level, therefore on the question of then identifying in the exercise of one's profession which are the criteria and principles that have been breached, this will necessarily have to happen. By force. Well, we do n't know tomorrow. Maybe tomorrow we'll be in front of the polling station where Lovati votes, in the brown zone. Eh, let's see.

[00:27:59]Sorry, I read a message. I don't speak much, I don't really introduce myself. I, on the other hand, would like to understand Walter, if you saw Danilo, if you saw, because I repeat, I can't handle the fourth degree, not even me.

[00:28:13]Eh, what did they say about this strange size of the foot?

[00:28:22]But I know they say that the footprint is too narrow to be, eh, to be an example without, they didn't understand. Be an example, but you know what? If you took a test now, the feet of a forty-year-old are not those of a twenty-year-old with the addition of fifty kilos, I mean. In fact, with an extra 50 kg the foot clearly widens. Yes, it deforms and the older you get, the more the foot widens, guys, because you get crushed, there's not much you can do. Instead of putting my shoes on lengthwise, I now put them on crosswise.

[00:29:01]I mean, no, that 's the point that if you try it on I won't put my foot in it again because they said they always have a wide sole and that the shoes aren't between. Ah!

[00:29:15]Oh well, so the shoes aren't pre. Okay.

[00:29:18]Consulting done with your feet.

[00:29:21]Oh, that for sure.

[00:29:22]Mom reiterated that for example I turn to 44. Well, it's like this, it's like this, it's like this, it's like this, Garofolo. C'ai c'hai fra No. Ok, fine.

[00:29:31]No, but they mean that even though his foot size is a size 42 and I'm a 43, he has this flaw, let's say, of a wide foot, and has always bought 44s. This is the I. But can I ask you a question? Yes, but I can ask myself a question.

[00:29:49]It's possible that with all the things that always fit together he always has something that justifies what he does.

[00:29:55]Everything everything. So, interception, thanks best graphic. Thank you, thank you best, thank you, thank you, thank you so much. Thank you. Is it possible that all the things that happen? Ok, so you wear 42. He must have done the anthropometric survey, right? Cattaneo, right?

[00:30:14]Perfect. He made the survey anop What is more precise than that?

[00:30:19]If the chain doesn't tell you, look, in my opinion, so-so and so based on your measurements, you can't go and say "Ah no, because my son wears 44s because he has this problem". No, you were [ __ ] because I just measured you.

[00:30:34]Well, that 's the point. We all took numbers for convenience.

[00:30:42]We've all taken numbers for convenience over time. I also went from 44 and I was 45, now 46 47. Eh, but it's normal.

[00:30:52]After my pregnancies, I went from a size 37 to a size 37 and I went from a size 39 to a size 38 to a size 39, but after something happened to me that changed my physical structure, I mean, it doesn't happen to everyone, it's a law of physics. It's clear that if he was a twig at 19, he probably weighed 60 kg, today he weighs 90, eh, if not more, it's clear that his foot, the weight, the foot is the support, so everything falls on the foot.

[00:31:30]That is, the fat also ends up on the foot.

[00:31:35]Certain.

[00:31:37]But then it depends, rightly, it depends on the brand of the shoes too.

[00:31:43]Oh, indeed.

[00:31:45]No, but then they showed a photo of Sempion in 2017 wearing shoes very similar to the Prau.

[00:31:53]Yes.

[00:31:55]And he was thin. That 's the point. But that's the point. But the thing that immediately strikes me is that everything that has been said is counter-evil, it seems perfect that there is a perfect explanation for everything, in the sense of the shoes, you can come and tell me that for me the 44 on the front is an anthropomorphic skin. There's no [ __ ] way to stop it, shut up, you'll look better.

[00:32:26]Aside from what Spinnato said yesterday, he claimed that he silences her every day for 5 minutes, hammers her feet, crushes them a little because she will arrive at the trial with size 57.

[00:32:38]He said that she will arrive with very long feet.

[00:32:43]You said.

[00:32:44]So I think that when you are in front of a scientist who is making measurements, keep quiet and you will make a better impression. The quieter you stay, the better you look.

[00:32:57]Yes, but in fact I read a comment from Alberto earlier, if I'm not mistaken, I don't want to say exactly, who says "But obviously Cattanio has taken into account all the probable changes in the foot with age, plussoria plague and so I mean it's clear that she evaluated everything, no, in making certain statements and it's clear that then there will be a further expert who will re-evaluate all the aspects and so then in the end that will be the decisive phase, that is, if they don't choose the abbreviated procedure, we will find ourselves with all these expert opinions.

[00:33:40]Yes, which are not simple expert opinions from the prosecutor's office, they are expert opinions with counter-causes. Anyway, guys, there's also Alessio.

[00:33:50]Oh, look how cool he is with the cap. Look at him with the backwards rapper cap.

[00:33:57]You know I'm rock and roll, so today I'm a bit tired.

[00:34:05]All right, I was following. Anyway, I mean, it's not like there aren't any expert opinions, eh, In Gallasco II, some of the prosecutor's reports were valued by the judge.

[00:34:20]Oh, yes, yes, yes. This is the question I asked you too, right? If Catttagio's report could have been acquired by the judge, but it's a judge for the judge that they'll ask for it, right?

[00:34:34]Yes, yes, but in fact, back in the days before the deposit, what is commonly called Discovery, I said that the reports were useful for a possible expert assessment, that is, we start from a very high standard, that is, from Cattano on up. So then, frankly, doing the expert assessment to measure the foot does n't seem to me to be worth it for the gait, in my opinion, for the issue, that is, the gait. Not the gait, because he did n't seize the shoes.

[00:35:13]That's true. The gait, the gait has nothing to do with it. He's not the discoverer.

[00:35:22]The gait, his gait was needed to establish whether the discoverer himself was the same.

[00:35:29]You're right. We'll finally overcome this wretched vision of the fact, that is, a thing. Indecent, well, we 'll see, but I repeat, any expert reports, besides not being mandatory since the judge is the expert peritorum, can be valued even without an expert report.

[00:36:00]Keep in mind that if the expert reports were to last that long, they would have to be taken up as an evidentiary hearing. This Lovati, you see, the thing he never wanted to do was expand the evidentiary hearings to things that could—well, I mean, the usual defense has actually been a bit of a digression on the data that can be examined because, according to imprint 33, they decided not to expand the evidentiary hearing. The other expert reports could have been taken up as an evidentiary hearing, just as they can still be taken up as an evidentiary hearing until the trial begins, but we start from there, unless the expert reports from both parties end up in a preliminary hearing or the GUP requests an expert report to establish, for example, evidence that could be decisive to prevent the referral to trial or even can be requested during the preliminary hearing, either by the parties as a conditional summary trial or requested by the judge following the summary trial, as Vitelli did. So it's all a matter of understanding that they want to do exactly this, that is, that they want to request an expert report during the preliminary hearing.

[00:37:38]Yes, but it must be decisive in order to obtain a... What's Alessio's name? Madonna, preliminary hearing.

[00:37:47]Oh, preliminary hearing.

[00:37:49]Oh, but that expert report there aimed at... not at not referring to trial must be decisive, in the sense that if there are 21 pieces of evidence, you really need to find the decisive one if they are testable, many things are not testable.

[00:38:08]Then here it continues and they focus on the issue of the fingerprint on step zero, right? to demolish that one and therefore consequently by demolishing that one you demolish the... in their defense argument they then consequently demolish the 33 fingerprint and everything.

[00:38:26]And if it's confirmed that a 43 is also fine.

[00:38:32]Yes, it's the same.

[00:38:35]There you go. He's talking about 42 and I'm 43, and if that's compatible, right? My usual mother said I 'm 44. That 's a lot of 44. Yes, but then I'll end up in an evidentiary hearing, sorry, in the preliminary hearing, also the wiretap where he boasts about not having handed over the shoes, it will also end up in other, other things, in short.

[00:39:10]Eh, I don't know, actually the real meat of this story here is in the corruption for judicial documents in judicial documents. What a good thing. I think that too.

[00:39:24]There you can't do any consultancy or expert opinions there. You ca n't do them there. There's no material for the tables. Judges' material?

[00:39:34]Not only that, Baron Bira, it reminds me that at the time someone said, "Thank goodness we didn't hand over the shoes."

[00:39:39]Eh, what I'm saying.

[00:39:42]That's already in the investigation.

[00:39:45]Eh, why? Why?

[00:39:51]Why? Why wasn't an expert opinion done at the time to establish a Consultation to establish whether it was because Casso, because Casso said he told him he was 44, so he ruled it out.

[00:40:02]No, no, I'm talking about the interrogation.

[00:40:04]Ah, the interrogation before the prosecutor.

[00:40:08]But I can say one thing here: let's start from the assumption that Racis defined him as whatever he was defined as.

[00:40:19]Be careful, I keep hearing that it's a personality profile. No, it's a criminological analysis.

[00:40:27]Today, for example, I saw a post in a well-known blogger where everything was distorted and then in the attachment it was written that the acquisition of Amazon data wasn't aimed at seeing what he had bought, not even seeing what he had bought. It was aimed at seeing the addresses he had, it was aimed at seeing the credit card data he used.

[00:41:00]Sensitive data.

[00:41:02]Yes, they are sensitive, but the judicial authority... I know, I know, I know, nothing comes of it.

[00:41:08]I know, I know. That's what Racis did. That's it. They keep... I mean, the personal consultancy, no, no, no, it's criminological.

[00:41:19]The facts are put together to see if the main fact holds up or not. It's not the consultancy to see if what kind of person is there, you say, the judge is enough, the judge is enough to evaluate that.

[00:41:40]How do we put it?

[00:41:42]Well, how do we put it? Well, but they say he won't even go to trial. People are saying there's no evidence, so yes. Who? The people, who the people? Who?

[00:41:53]The people in Havana. I mean, even before when we spoke with Lia, that there's the expert report, that dactylic one of the fingerprint 33 went to trial because the consultant for the prosecutor Ris had said he had lied about the alibi. He had said that after 10:17 he had no alibi.

[00:42:13]But what are we talking about?

[00:42:15]What are we talking about? I mean, da Silva in Rimini went to trial for nothing.

[00:42:25]But an evidentiary incident of a person who after 17 months, a year and 7 months, 17 months, those who I am, he decides to talk. Oh well!

[00:42:42]If the same rules apply, if the Stasi rules apply, Cartabia or no Cartabia, there's nothing to be done.

[00:42:51]Carta is a political thing.

[00:42:53]Why shouldn't the same rules apply as Stasi? TTI went to trial because the PM's consultant, the PM's consultant RIS, because the RIS first intervened as judicial police, then had themselves appointed consultants. The PM's consultants said that Stassi didn't have an alibi after 10:17, that's the famous computer alibi, right? That he turned on the computer, didn't use it all morning, left it on.

[00:43:17]So what do we do about it?

[00:43:19]Of course, right? It's true, it's true.

[00:43:23]You're absolutely right. In fact, in the Cagliari RIS expert report, there's precisely the space from 10:17 to 12 and something where it's practically empty, there's no activity according to the RIS. While when I did the portacchetti they identified all the activities done during that time because they got confused. They said they weren't... autonomous computer activities, these computers that register themselves.

[00:43:49]Yes.

[00:43:52]Hey, guys, I love everyone, but more than anything I love justice.

[00:43:59]Oh, you're saying equal for all. Stasi went to trial for much less.

[00:44:07]So, right? You're right.

[00:44:11]What are we talking about?

[00:44:15]Do we or don't we want a fair trial, equal to the one Stasi had, without making mistakes about the facts, I guarantee that.

[00:44:26]Heh heh Alessio, I understand that things piss you off, but they piss you off because they piss you off.

[00:44:39]No, no, they don't piss me off. I'm persevering. I am me, not, as good old Derensis says, because of my personal history, I've seen hell, I didn't like it and I'm no longer afraid of anyone after hell, so for me after what I 've been through it's all from heaven on up, so not I'm not afraid of anyone, right?

[00:45:04]And I understand you.

[00:45:06]Heh, but certain things do indeed make you angry because you say independently of always stasate and everything is stuff that could happen to us. Thank you, thank you. On site. Bye Sempiolo.

[00:45:22]Bye Raffa.

[00:45:24]Oh no, Alessio is a rocker. He's not Giovanotti's uncle, he's a rocker.

[00:45:33]Oh, rock and roll.

[00:45:37]I hate tattoos, I'm going to get one of those summer ones from ah 1 145. Then one day I'll explain to you what the 145 is.

[00:45:48]It's the rock and roll circuit, so it derives from the blue circuit.

[00:45:54]What was it I wanted to say? Oh, let's get back to the topic. So, yesterday, apart from the fact that we started the live show by saying that Lovatip has become a hero for us because he said what everyone would have wanted to say to Bruzzone. That's true.

[00:46:07]By the way, there today I did what are they called now? Tweet post, what are they called now?

[00:46:12]Tweet. Tweet.

[00:46:14]Tweet. But now go ahead, tweet, sorry if the money.

[00:46:18]Yes, tweet tweet tweet tweet.

[00:46:21]Yes, tweet. Tweet.

[00:46:23]I have a rather unpresentable nickname.

[00:46:26]No, how can I find you on Twitter?

[00:46:29]Oh, with your name, then.

[00:46:34]And so I basically wrote, excuse me, if everyone agrees that the money went to one of the lawyers, the first named, the one who should have accounted for it is the first named.

[00:46:49]The internal distributions, the ones behind the client's back, shouldn't be of any interest; it's a confidential matter.

[00:46:58]So the one who should have accounted for it to the client is the first, not the one who arrived later. This is the ABC of related firms, and the one who should have invoiced is the one who receives the money; the others should have invoiced him.

[00:47:17]So then let's say that this guy, as he says, had done to third parties and didn't incur any expenses, poor guy.

[00:47:28]Yes.

[00:47:29]And then he should have deducted the expenses from the castings.

[00:47:32]Of course. So what are we talking about? It's not like we're talking about 45-60 million in expenses and talking to just one person who, in fact, is behind the first named.

[00:47:49]This means he has to answer. He's about the client reporting.

[00:47:54]I asked Lovati this question, eh, in a live broadcast I told him, "Excuse me, you were providing the receipts for the bottles, for the payments." He says, "Eh, but that's all just what they told me?" I don't doubt it. Out of the question, but between you two you didn't even exchange a few lines to say, eh, and he said no, we trusted him.

[00:48:21]But technically, the one who has to report is the first named and then he's the one who receives the money. This is now established.

[00:48:31]He said he didn't receive them, someone else receives them, they gave them to him. No, but even the assignors, the donors, say this. I felt like asking myself.

[00:48:44]But with whom? Excuse me, did you do the live broadcast with Lovati yesterday?

[00:48:48]No, months ago.

[00:48:51]Oh, okay.

[00:48:54]No, yesterday Lov was busy and then basically he was campaigning, so he launched, how shall I say, a meme today.

[00:49:08]Eh, okay, guys, it's like this.

[00:49:13]And instead of the whole situation that's been created, well, I said it before, Lia, the Ks are practically excluded from the information and that's where the assault begins with the complaints.

[00:49:25]Instead of staying quiet, letting their people get rid of them, they believe their rights have been violated, so it's right that they evaluate their appropriate actions.

[00:49:39]Hmm. Period. Change of subject.

[00:49:43]It seems to me that clean began on July 14th.

[00:49:51]Yeah, it should be almost in the closing phase.

[00:49:56]Clean began on July 14th and this is called heterogenesis of ends. Because now those who are in clean, if clean began on July 14th, have an enemy.

[00:50:11]They have an enemy.

[00:50:12]Let's also remember the request from the GICO and it's not De Renzi and it's not De Renzi who made it to be able to inspect and ascertain, then afterwards it was not known what happened because he spoke to a group of magistrates on July 14th.

[00:50:34]Eh, who spoke on July 14th? Nenesis Walter. On the 13th July happens, he receives the phone call.

[00:50:42]On July 14th, July 14th, the innate opens, it's part of another chapter that we've closed.

[00:50:50]I'm talking about what happened on July 14th.

[00:50:53]Okay.

[00:50:53]July 14th, 2022, in my opinion, either it started clean or it accelerated. Well, you know, there, dig dig here, dig dig there, so whoever we say was immediately clean, now has a name and a surname that determined all that mess.

[00:51:21]You have to, when you do the actions, when you do them, as he explained to do them, equal and opposite reactions.

[00:51:29]Yes, exactly.

[00:51:34]This is the truth, this is the truth.

[00:51:37]Because Chiesa took a bribe of 7 million clean, right?

[00:51:45]Well, which was an activity, let's say, of simulated flagrancy, that is, when the prosecutors tell you, "We'll film you, you give the money and then we'll intervene."

[00:51:57]That's called simulated flagrancy. Yes, but the problem is that Chiesa kept quiet for a long time, so much so that Craxi called him A crook.

[00:52:10]Yes, so to speak, that's where it ends. What was the problem with the church when his wife, during the investigation, since she was left high and dry—I think there was a separation in progress— revealed the contents of the Swiss bank account, and that's where they found the one here—they're saying if Mr. Sempio's wiretap talking about Maurizio could be Papalardo, it could be many people. He 's the one who's been paying up until now, eh, he 's paying, the other one is paying, they're paying, and then they'll see if they can figure it out for other reasons. Pappalardo is paying for other reasons.

[00:52:58]Eh, I understand, but you know, those born round don't die square, eh.

[00:53:03]No, no.

[00:53:04]Oh, okay. I have no doubts. I have no doubts about that.

[00:53:07]Okay, so there they found it—it was within the scope of that activity that they found the—that's where they found the geolocalized frames, with the location identification.

[00:53:27]I mean, this activity is almost an intelligence activity, guys. We 're talking about this, I really don't know if GICO did it. There, I could see GICO's hand in it, because that one comes from Brescia.

[00:53:42]Those are the things you have to expect when you mention certain departments, not the lawyers' statements saying everyone has their say, that's not the meat of the investigative activity.

[00:54:00]It's true, it's true. What people don't realize is that the entire investigative machinery that was put in place, that was set in motion, that was set in motion, guys. That is, the top of the Italian departments, eh, as an investigation in all fields. In fact, that's what makes the constant desire to delegitimize these investigations even more ridiculous, precisely because they're hitting the best in the sector, so the attempt really seems ridiculous, truly ridiculous.

[00:54:34]So I'm telling you that in the corruption of judicial documents, you can't provide consultancy. They don't exist.

[00:54:44]And if the magistrate leaves Brescia?

[00:54:47]Yes.

[00:54:48]We're at the level of the judicial police.

[00:54:50]The The file returns to Pavia.

[00:54:52]Yeah, yeah.

[00:54:53]And who's to say they're not requesting a reunion of the files? You can ask for anything, so go to a judge who has to judge you.

[00:55:06]Among other things, if he ends up in Brescia, I think they'll implicate him too, because he's involved in a lot of the activity he's done, as leaks have been leaked, but as of today he's out.

[00:55:21]But there are many scenarios here. We're only at the beginning. Over the next six months, we'll have not a 600 live to do, but not on complaints, on things, on who I am, who you are. But I mean, we're talking about meat here, not straw.

[00:55:41]Lia, are you in the same head as another YouTuber who's in Arizona?

[00:55:47]It's a backdrop, guys. There's a backdrop.

[00:55:50]Is that what made me... No, because he made the commercial for... It's a backdrop because I'm in a room that's not the same backdrop he uses... what's his name?

[00:56:00]Maria Conversano.

[00:56:02]Maria Conversano. Everyone in the same house.

[00:56:04]The... No, it's not that it's just this, guys. O There's this or there's a green wall, so there's not much choice. Then I don't know how to do it. Maybe you can teach me how to set up access from a phone or a PC?

[00:56:21]From a PC.

[00:56:22]And you can upload any photos you want or create them with artificial intelligence. See, mine was created with artificial intelligence.

[00:56:29]Oh, okay. So, I'll do that for the next time, come on.

[00:56:32]Eh, instead, what do you think of this one who has the power of attorney, this person who has brought attention to a fake news dealer? Eh eh no, I'd start from the end, I mean, I'd start from the individual, what are the fake news, because if you identify them, but you know, all these fake news, I don't know, maybe I remember one. The one I heard the most was the one when they dragged Stefania's husband into custody. That was really big, but I never fully believed that one.

[00:57:13]Me neither. Me neither. In fact, it was very suggestive, but I never fully believed it. I haven't never, eh, because from what I heard, from what I heard, eh, DH, we brought forward the live because DJ Jump wasn't there, we brought it forward. Um, I was saying, from what I know, he's a character who's very active on social media. With his main profile, the real one, he says things in favor of Stasis, and with other fake profiles he attacks himself.

[00:57:48]So he's a self-attack and he's in the groups of the "ciaccia", a self-attack.

[00:57:54]Yes, yes, yes.

[00:57:58]That he's not a person who's in favor of Stasis, in fact tell him this, he's not a real person, he's not human.

[00:58:06]Of course he's not a person in favor of this, let's start from the end. What are these meatballs?

[00:58:14]Eh, we don't know that. I also asked them to give me the name, I don't know.

[00:58:17]Eh, one is definitely the one from Ignoto 2, which has been circulating for a while, right? That one definitely has to be counted among the meatballs and that's the one that allowed, in my opinion, to develop all the 100-odd complaints from the mechanism is that, that is, this one was placing these, spreading these poisoned meatballs to allow others to then file complaints against those who then filed them.

[00:58:51]You know that if you know, well, by the way, do you know that if you induce someone to tell a lie, you're responsible?

[00:59:01]Yes, let's hope so. Oh, let's hope so.

[00:59:03]Maybe that's the key to everything. That's the key to... it must also be said, look, in my opinion, something private must be said: all these mechanisms aimed at doing all these tricks, this stupidity, in any case, originate from minds that are not very intelligent.

[00:59:23]I mean, this needs to be underlined because even the young lady Grosso who exposed herself in that way simply harmed herself and this is indicative of people who are not very intelligent.

[00:59:39]So I hope it's as you say, I, all that nonsense you came out about the fact of witnesses brought to the prosecutor's office by someone, busloads of witnesses, yes.

[00:59:55]I mean, guys in favor of stasis, busloads busloads of witnesses.

[01:00:01]Yes.

[01:00:02]Well, until we have the con there have been we'll have to see. But in my opinion, sorry, I'm hot.

[01:00:12]They will find a way to reach this person and thus everyone will develop all his contacts. Yes, yes, yes, yes.

[01:00:18]Palia we are not facing each other. Here, in another live, now I don't remember why I said that ah from Easter I said Pasquale, what do you know about red herrings? The Monster of Florence, Ustica.

[01:00:36]What level are these at?

[01:00:39]Medium low. They leave traces everywhere.

[01:00:42]It's true, it's true, it's true. And these are truly a bunch of scruffy people.

[01:00:49]It's true, it's true. The thing that's everywhere.

[01:00:53]What the [ __ ] kind of misdirection is this?

[01:00:55]I want to tell you.' That 's right, you're absolutely right. Actually, a gang of people, I thought, who had run away from home.

[01:01:04]My house says they run away from home.

[01:01:07]Certain.

[01:01:08]Homeless have done. Oh, yes, good.

[01:01:15]And that is, it is really an activity, that is, you notice it immediately. But you don't need the prosecutor's office to notice when you come to me and say, "Ah, there are buses full of witnesses." Because they would have seen these buses going, these people entering Pavia and there were people there in front every day and nobody was in sight. Nobody?

[01:01:39]I mean, someone definitely went, huh. No, yes, someone there. But he will certainly have been summoned. Someone we did last time, if these activities here are mandatory, because if it's called SIT, you're obligated.

[01:01:55]Exact.

[01:01:55]If these activities here have not yielded investigative feedback, that's it, he dies there. Bravo. That's where the seriousness of the investigator lies, right?

[01:02:09]Receive, compare, find in fact or discard and there is none. I mean, Unknown 3, do you remember him? They said, "Gentlemen, there 's nothing on July 13th, July 12th, enough, take it away from Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. That's the point. That's where they go crazy, you understand? Because he says damn, we can't make fools of these people, neither us nor those who have us against us.

[01:02:40]To repeat, if someone is called upon to tell the truth, it 's not that they're not believed, there's no confirmation because so many years have passed, but then this sit led to the opening of a file against these people because Musquit was acquitted precisely for this fact.

[01:03:13]because his activity had not led to the opening of a file for the alleged crime and in the context of his acquittal it was declared there too the first instance sentence of Vitelli was recalled and its unaccountability was declared, but in fact his story ends because his activity did not lead to the registration in the register of No one is under investigation.

[01:03:50]Because at that point I ask myself why anyone should have to endure such an ordeal if the basis for the Muschitta trial wasn't already there, because the prosecutor who opened up to Muschitta didn't open up to someone else and then realized that Muschitta is a scaremonger.

[01:04:12]Then Muschitta was also excluded from the new investigations. Why were urgent wiretaps requested that not even the new organized Camorra couldn't?

[01:04:26]First he recants and then you can wiretap him because, because evidently, in order to obtain the wiretaps, false information from the APM wasn't enough; something was needed, as they say in jargon, hyper-classified, that is, a more serious crime put on a higher level.

[01:04:47]Yes, obtaining. The poor guy then went through all three levels of judgment to recognize that the trial shouldn't even have started. Let's repeat, in the context of the ruling that acquitted him, the judge cites the ruling of Tella Vitelli and declares him unreliable.

[01:05:05]But in fact, that's the reason he was acquitted, though. According to the documents, to date it is still considered unreliable, and because... well, let's get back to the point.

[01:05:23]Was there any investigation today? Well, there was no confirmation, that's it. Exactly. That's where you evaluate Laura, the investigator. That's where you reject him. He leaves nothing to chance, he doesn't reconsider anything. Closed, dead right there.

[01:05:44]True, true, true, true.

[01:05:46]And it's not easy, eh. Here we're not dealing with a prosecutor who tells you there's no more DNA.

[01:05:54]Then when the press release comes out that they 've found it, he calls him back and lets him rot in a closet. Now, that's something I would never want to expect, regardless of the fact that Osetti has been definitively convicted.

[01:06:14]Sure, but when they have to do DNA tests on him at random, the DNA ends up in the closet, as you said.

[01:06:19]But the violation, the violation of the right to defense is as big as a piece of paper, eh. Exactly, precisely, precisely. True, True, you're right.

[01:06:27]But it wasn't, but it wasn't the only one, it wasn't the only element. Well, take away my DNA and Bossetti's trial won't even start.

[01:06:38]If you take away the DNA, well, that's the linchpin, right? You're absolutely right.

[01:06:44]Okay, but the same goes for that little bloodstain on the door sill of Olindia's car.

[01:06:49]Rosa says it was on the front seat.

[01:06:54]Yes. Oh, so Sempio's mother said she's not sure of Stasi's guilt.

[01:07:04]But what does she have to say? Excuse me, you're in the position she's in today, attacked from every side for the letters she sent. Today she's forced to say that, in my opinion, why not? She doesn't want to carry out any further investigations. You can do more, Lia, he has every interest in saying that he has every interest in saying that the investigations were wrong because today it affects his son. That's not the point.

[01:07:32]Oh, yes, right, right. Good. Yes, yes.

[01:07:35]That statement is a rash one, guys, now. We've gotten to know them as they are.

[01:07:40]Well done. As they are.

[01:07:44]Yes, good people. Well, until proven otherwise, right up to the curve, right?

[01:07:50]You have an interest today in saying that the investigations were done poorly, therefore Malcomune, half Gaudio, right?

[01:07:57]And that's the Lovati theory, right?

[01:08:00]He goes, he tells you that the poor guy needs to be reviewed like mine needs to be ham.

[01:08:06]Exactly, because anyway, since they asked me a question about the Catagliotti defense, Catagliotti is an excellent professional, let's say he slipped a bit at the start, he slipped a bit, evidently he didn't have a full understanding of the complexity of the case and therefore he shouldn't have gone against Stasi because he brought so many of those down on himself.

[01:08:31]Well, that 's the point. If they had kept Lovati, Lovati always said Stasi was innocent, but in Lovati, Lovati couldn't stand up to a debate, come on, I was speaking clearly.

[01:08:48]No, it wouldn't have been.

[01:08:52]No, no.

[01:08:54]Cataliotti, in addition to having perhaps initially underestimated the case, is also He fell off his pear tree when faced with certain discoveries like forums, soliloquies that he was certainly not aware of and so, in short, he had to recover for a moment in the face of this thing. Yes, Cagliotta now, in fact Catagliotta even now, I mean now he really has, I mean he's focusing only on the case. Listen, he doesn't say anything about Alberto, he doesn't say anything about.

[01:09:31]Unlike Taccia, TCH really speaks, he can't say anything. He can't say anything because Alberto is out, eh, professionally he can't say anything anymore.

[01:09:42]Yes, yes, yes, yes. Because as long as the competition is on, there's a call to the choir, so can something be said?

[01:09:51]I'm only replying to one message.

[01:09:53]You can download everything onto the already convicted competitor, a bit like what happened in Perugia.

[01:10:01]Perugia, we already have a convicted competitor, we upload everything to him, even if someone can explain to me why Marco is deleting him and he tells him, "But you can delete all the messages." It 's not true, it 's not true. But then they all appear on the records.

[01:10:19]No, but Zanella did a search on this story. Maria too. Conversano explained it very well, so you can go and retrieve the videos in relation to this, and it's absolutely not true that messages were deleted.

[01:10:32]Then if you delete them from the phone, all the SMS messages appear in the records because they're billed. Because the SMS messages were billed. Exactly.

[01:10:43]So all the SMS messages appear in the records, even the content of the SMS messages within the time limits. Yes, of course. Yes, but they immediately analyzed Stasiel's messages, Stasiel's devices. They were all there at the time, so they turned Stasi inside out, completely.

[01:11:03]Exactly.

[01:11:06]And nothing came of it. He never contradicted himself, he never evaded, he never changed people, and he could have easily done so to go against the reconstructions they were making, but he never did, so not only that. Oh, I still have 20 minutes, another quarter of an hour.

[01:11:30]Oh, what was it I wanted to ask before, but what did you talk about this morning? Because I haven't seen your video yet.

[01:11:39]Oh, that's true. I haven't had time to see your everyday gown yet.

[01:11:43]You're confessing to a crime.

[01:11:50]You... And so this morning I was in... What were you talking about?

[01:11:56]No, I was in desperate condition because of a tooth abscess. So I recycled an old, but very current, video about the difference between a civil party and an injured party.

[01:12:07]Oh, okay.

[01:12:08]Oh, okay.

[01:12:11]Because among other things, I'm also dressed in Vermani, it's really hot here, but it was precisely because I'm on antibiotics, I can't. Tomorrow I'll recover.

[01:12:20]Tomorrow you'll recover. Tomorrow I'll be in the mountains in the cool. Good job.

[01:12:26]Lucky you. It's already scorching hot in Puglia.

[01:12:30]Tomorrow, tomorrow the mountains. Oh, wife, two days ago it was fine, maybe it came after they left.

[01:12:36]Oh, but today it started to get hot.

[01:12:44]I was reading to see if anyone was here. Do you have any questions? So let's ask some questions. Oh, then can we find out what these text messages were saying? So... that in some he said, "Remember to bring me the postcard from London and already knowing that he had to come back Marco knew that Panzarosa would come back, so I know that in one of those text messages there is the request for there is the request for here, the record that you don't convince me about grass. They're two fanatics."

[01:13:18]I remember that when I was interrogating them, Olind and Rosa said to those who were interrogating them. "Did I do the right thing, did I say everything right?"

[01:13:26]I mean, the question: what does it mean that the civil party cannot participate unless it goes against the accused? Article 380, second paragraph.

[01:13:42]Well, you can't use unfaithful counsel, you can't collude with the other party to the detriment of your client, and if you set yourself up as a civil party to ask for damages, you can't contribute to the resolution of the defendant's case.

[01:14:00]This is the reason why, in fact, I explained it a few months ago and today I re-proposed it with the video because the decision is that, now they have also expressed themselves in the evidentiary hearing, so then they will be able to request damages in a separate trial following the outcome of the res judicata.

[01:14:32]What do you think about the fact that the Ks don't want to imprison them, they want to imprison them, they made that veiled militant threat about the fact that he shouldn't be on TV anymore? How can a lawyer of a civil party allow himself to say something like that? of the sort?

[01:14:50]But did you mention K?

[01:14:51]K has nothing to do with that.

[01:14:53]No, no. Tizzoni, Tizzoni, Tizzoni, Tizzoni, I was wrong.

[01:14:56]Tizoni, who told Tizoni, believes that what Milo Infante is doing isn't a public service. Milo Infanto believes that Tizzone doesn't go to him because he doesn't get applause.

[01:15:08]Today, the la la la between those two that has been going on for a long time is that. But, let's talk, I mean, this is like saying a rearguard battle, it's really the truth that clogging up the prosecutor's office with countless complaints could be taken badly by the prosecutor's office and could backfire, and they'll get together and ask for the case to be closed for everyone.

[01:15:39]Look, we ca n't have a massive defamation trial, eh? Yes, of course.

[01:15:49]Look, if it's not the action, it's the number, you really want to enmity yourself; if you really want to enmity a judicial authority, start clogging up the roles and you have a sure enemy. Of course, because they don't want this kind of thing, because there are more important things to do.

[01:16:12]Exactly.

[01:16:14]And you can embarrass a judicial authority, clog up the roles and then we'll see how it goes.

[01:16:23]Excuse me, Alessio, can you answer Rene's question: "Will Veren Renis be dismissed from Stasio's defense?"

[01:16:33]Why?

[01:16:35]There, I already answered you why, why should he? Okay, but maybe someone might be worried about this issue, so they're asking the question because they're worried about the chaos that's being created around me. My answer is not to worry.

[01:16:56]Okay.

[01:16:58]Instead, Lia, do you know anything about the old devices? They're still analyzing one with 40 GB of data.

[01:17:06]Oh, and all the analysis of friends is missing, friends' devices, I mean, we're missing, eh, in the sense that it hasn't been, they have n't been circulated.

[01:17:16]Here they're asking which ones are missing. Five consultancies are missing.

[01:17:20]Five consultancies are missing to predict.

[01:17:24]Yes.

[01:17:26]So I don't know. Well, not, I mean, the defense will definitely have them.

[01:17:32]I would predict the door. There's a revolving door. Predict what you said you'd predict?

[01:17:37]I have a revolving door. You enter and exit the big hotel.

[01:17:44]And what are the timeframes? For example, Bin, who doesn't get a judge who will examine the reports of his lawyers.

[01:17:51]How long will it take when you bring the statement, maybe you don't go to the interrogation.

[01:17:58]Oh, if he doesn't submit to questioning, doesn't ask for, um, additional investigations, asks for nothing by the end of July, maybe the request for a postponement of trial is in the fall.

[01:18:13]1, 2, 3 hearings, who knows. OK.

[01:18:18]Preliminary hearing, then we'll see.

[01:18:22]Walter, read Alberto's question, please.

[01:18:28]So, what does the poisoned Volpettara say, who boasted about contacts with the prosecutor's office?

[01:18:37]What can she risk?

[01:18:40]Who for life who didn't spread fake news?

[01:18:43]They're asking you for investigative secrecy to be lifted, for misdirection, for misdirection, in short, a blow to justice. I don't know, it depends on whether he's a public official, or not. Public, it depends, right? Apparently he was claiming to be a public official, claiming to have contacts with Napoleon's prosecutor's office, but then he's not, well, he's a little strawberry, you know.

[01:19:10]If he's a public official in life, there are public official crimes. Well, we'll see. Until we know who he is, we can't say anything. Until we know what he does.

[01:19:21]So I'd start from the end. What is this meatballing activity?

[01:19:28]Hmm. I'll repeat the things that meatballing seemed to be, that the fireman had issued the receipt, eh, that the testimony of the unknown Biasetti, the testimony of Biasibetti.

[01:19:45]Eh, take away the bus that arrived, so whoever bet their face on Biasibetti's testimony can tell us, eh.

[01:19:58]Who did he get that news from?

[01:20:01]Oh, true, true, true.

[01:20:06]Yes, but you know, maybe he got it from someone else who also received it, from him, so who knows.

[01:20:14]But I think the prosecutor's office will eventually understand. Sure.

[01:20:18]So, the prosecutor's office already knows who he is.

[01:20:20]Yeah, they already know. Okay, the prosecutor's office already knows. I suspect.

[01:20:26]Oh, I don't know, from what I understand, they've opened a case, right? Yes.

[01:20:30]I'd be careful about going to the prosecutor's office today and to the court in Pavir. They're all over the place.

[01:20:39]There's an open case already.

[01:20:41]You know what they say in New York?

[01:20:44]Ringo talks to George. George reports to Paul. Paul meets with him.

[01:20:51]It would be a crime to commit false credit, impersonation of persons if there are instigators, criminal conspiracy.

[01:21:01]Milan, the false credit depends on him, precisely, we need to see if he's a public official, if he's not a public official, we need to look at many things because there are, I do n't know, it could be someone who in some way collaborates with the prosecutor's office, that is, he belongs to an institution that, in a broader sense, could collaborate with the prosecutor's office, local police. So, someone here wrote that a channel says the group is archiving, I did n't hear you. If I went to a public official, we have to look at the typical crimes of a public official.

[01:21:49]Hmm.

[01:21:51]Then, eh, Valentina says Emanuele Pierone said the prosecutor's office has his name on the file.

[01:21:57]Yes.

[01:21:59]And then this one says a channel says the group is closing the case due to lack of evidence, but an exemption could be opened for the investigation.

[01:22:07]Could the GUP request further investigations?

[01:22:11]Okay.

[01:22:12]But guys, I mean, I repeat, yes, he was sent to trial without anything.

[01:22:21]Exactly.

[01:22:23]Da Silva even less so.

[01:22:26]Exactly.

[01:22:27]I mean, it's not a game of who can tell the biggest lie, it's a serious activity, also because if there's a trial, this trial, well, I'm not saying it's equivalent to the Cusani trial, but almost.

[01:22:49]And instead, the story of the Pacciani trial is a trial that will set a precedent.

[01:22:56]Part of it is that the code was in force, so these things here will have everyone's attention. Therefore, I saw the magistrates who are part of the Pavia criminal division, I think there's only one who can assume the presidency, only one who you say you're capable of.

[01:23:18]Oh no, there They want the functions, that is, it's not just that it's needed, it's not that No, they take it from the opening of whatever it's called in Gambolò, that is, they need at least second-level management functions, that is, in the sense of But who takes responsibility, who could take responsibility today for closing an investigation that in any case even if we wanted to be, let's say, no, excessively protective of the law and say that on the temple there are only indications that must be judged serious, precise and consistent to leave this situation in doubt. I mean, for me it's impossible. Before the GUP's decision, Brescia will arrive and there we'll talk about the nobility.

[01:24:18]We'll know if Brescia keeps the file, if it's sent back to Pavia, if they also involve Junior, because technically it was a clever move not to involve, for example, Junior, because otherwise the file could have been diverted to Brescia, instead Yes, yes, yes, yes. to avoid having all the investigations go to Brescia.

[01:24:48]Yes.

[01:24:48]Okay.

[01:24:50]But there the decision that was then made by Jeep Gallaschelli at Aiello's distance, first of all Aello told him, you are not a party in Causal, but in any case, he also decided on the merits, saying that the bribery wasn't aimed at hiding the murder— it's called a teleological connection— but the bribery was aimed at getting out of the criminal circuit.

[01:25:19]Strictly speaking, that is, there was no connection, had there been the other connection, that is, there are three connections: conspiracy of persons, continuing crime, and teleological connection, when you commit a crime to hide or commit another. I know about the theft of the car to go and commit the robbery, there, I'll just throw it out there. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. I understand, I understand everything.

[01:25:48]And what these people were worried about was the fact that whoever it was had bribed him to hide the murder. In reality, the judge said that's not the reason he bribed. He bribed to get out of the investigation, also because at that stage he was still in the preliminary investigation, so you don't know if there are elements to find him guilty. It was, let 's say, they ask this question: if you want to answer, if you can answer, if you can't answer. I don't like it, I don't like it. I like it. I'm a consultant, I have more fun, less stress. The other day I was at a trial in Brindisi, I mean, the prosecutor asks the question, he uses his test, he asks him, he doesn't ask him, he tells him, you said this, this, that, but you have to tell me. He's basically making a style.

[01:27:00]You said this, this and this, but you have to tell me this. I mean, are we joking or playing at it? It's a world like that.

[01:27:08]Then explain to us who the lay judges are, what role they have, what classification they come in, or they come in, or you decide to join the register of lay judges, yes.

[01:27:21]Or you come, if there are no applications, you are chosen by lot.

[01:27:24]But what requirements do you have to have?

[01:27:27]Compulsory schooling for the first grade, high school diploma for the second grade.

[01:27:31]Oh, okay.

[01:27:34]And then the composition of the register is drawn by lot and then the reasons for, let's say, eligibility or incompatibility are verified.

[01:27:52]So, here they say that I have lay judges. €45 a day, go be a lay judge.

[01:28:00]€45 a day.

[01:28:02]Yes, if you have a VAT number, something more.

[01:28:05]If you're an employee working 45 hours a day. I have faith in lay judges.

[01:28:10]Unless they get closer. I'm afraid of Napoleon's colleagues.

[01:28:14]The entry of the ANM comp. has been underestimated.

[01:28:20]Eh, here put a link with the ANM with Garlasco, NM association, the NM is silent on Garlasco. This is out of the question. He does n't say anything.

[01:28:32]Eh, shameful.

[01:28:35]But it's not them, eh, the ones in Brescia.

[01:28:39]They are ashamed of all the orders that have n't expressed themselves at all. They are called regional judicial councils, I think, basically, they are small NM on a regional or district basis, Court Appeal district, sorry.

[01:28:56]The one in Brescia, the district council intervened in the one in Brescia. Well, what is it, in short, finding Lara Vecchia's question again. Wait, I'll find it, she told me to ask the question.

[01:29:13]Ah, there, they ask him what he thinks Gallo, Lovati's defense attorney, always against Prostasi makes sense. In my opinion, yes, everyone has their own reasons. Reasonable.

[01:29:22]He wants that investigation to fail so that his client comes out as you imagine, right? Then, damn it, this guy goes to trial.

[01:29:35]That investigation couldn't find a tree in a forest, and how does he get out of it?

[01:29:43]But how does he get out of it with the postponement of trial? He comes out very badly, which reinforces certain suspicions.

[01:29:51]If, on the other hand, this investigation fails, he'll say so, my client was right. Simplicity. Things are much simpler than we think, much simpler.

[01:30:06]Another question I want to ask you, which has nothing to do with Garlasco, is you, with your experience, do you think our judicial system is better or the Anglo-Saxon one?

[01:30:17]Anglostaf.

[01:30:20]Why do you think it's better?

[01:30:22]Because when there's nothing, the prosecution drops the charges. You don't go to a judge. Here, it's a labyrinth.

[01:30:30]And then in the United States, there's the famous jury of 12 equals.

[01:30:37]Then there's not... I know if you've seen the TV series Yellowstone.

[01:30:43]No, no.

[01:30:46]It's fantastic, because there's a county next to the county where it all takes place that has no citizens.

[01:30:54]Oh, okay. The one where they couldn't find lay judges. There ca n't be lay judges because there are no citizens, so no 12 peror jurors, no justice. And so they went to dump all the bodies in that county.

[01:31:12]Brilliant, I mean, that series is fantastic, and so if there's no jury of 12 equals, among other things unlike the Italian lay jury in many states, then keep in mind and now I'm boring you a bit, the common American criminal law is based on the state of affiliation with the attorney general, the state's attorney general, and the district attorneys of the counties, right? So criminal law is legislated at the state level, not at the federal level. Then there are federal crimes and there's the general attorney for federal crimes and the dict attorneys for federal crimes, with courts only for federal crimes, prisons only for federal crimes.

[01:32:07]So, That said, in many states, common criminal law provides that a jury of 12 equals convicts, only convicts.

[01:32:21]The judge determines the sentence in a separate hearing.

[01:32:27]In some states, the judge can, eh, invalidate the conviction of the popular theory of the laissez-faire jury, reverse it. Have you seen the Chicago Seven?

[01:32:40]Yeah.

[01:32:41]Something like that.

[01:32:44]So the theory, the laissez-faire jury convicts, and that's not there. That's the Constitution; it's written in the Second, Third Amendments, I don't remember now.

[01:32:58]So the laissez-faire jury convicts the judges after a hearing a few weeks and sets the sentence. Now the sentence is a bit strange compared to what we think, because for example, they sentence you to a 25-year sentence, so you don't know how long you'll spend in prison, or they sentence you to a 25-year sentence without probation, that is, without probation, because in the sentence between 25 years and life, after 25 years you can ask to be released on parole.

[01:33:41]Keep in mind that in the United States, parole doesn't have the same value as we do.

[01:33:46]If you lie there, you're done. Clinton docket.

[01:33:54]Case in point: the famous mythomaniac who killed John Lennon. This poor guy, you know, is he still in prison? He had a life sentence for 25 years. Do you know why?

[01:34:05]Because I don't give up, he never gives his consent to parole him because I'm not enough.

[01:34:13]And this guy is still there, the famous Hawaiian who had seen him the night before. That one. Just think, that guy over there... I do n't know what happened to him, the night before he asked John Lennon for an autograph on one of his albums and the next day he killed him.

[01:34:29]Killed him.

[01:34:31]So I ca n't imagine that album being put on hold one day. Just think.

[01:34:40]And how many trials in Italy with the Anglo-Saxon system would never have reached trial?

[01:34:47]Many, many, too many, too many because then in Italy the prosecutor asks for the case to be dismissed, the judge asks for forced indictment, stuff like that.

[01:35:00]Or the prosecutor asks for a trial to be annulled and the judge finds him guilty.

[01:35:07]Eh, No. Okay, Ctrrangolo asked for the justice penalty to overturn the second-instance sentence.

[01:35:16]Yes, and he was completely ignored.

[01:35:22]Ignored.

[01:35:23]And in fact, we're here talking about it. Exactly.

[01:35:27]So, I thank you. Thank you Elia, thank you Alessio for today too.

[01:35:31]Thank you.

[01:35:32]Thank you so much. Now the weekend starts, so I'm on vacation until tomorrow, I'm going to the cooler.

[01:35:40]What are you doing this weekend? What are you doing tomorrow? Are you recording a video? We know. You already said Alessio.

[01:35:48]Then I'll go out, tomorrow there's the Giro d'Italia in Milan. Everything's stalled.

[01:35:51]In Baldaostima, at the piece in Baldaostima.

[01:35:56]I have a communion tomorrow.

[01:35:58]Wow.

[01:36:01]So, spanzata spanzata.

[01:36:06]Yes, so thank you all.

[01:36:11]Once upon a time, communion was just a greeting to everyone and then you see each other again. Thank you. Now it's become a fashion show, a wedding.

[01:36:22]Exactly. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

[01:36:24]Yes, yes. True, true, I have to. All right, thank you all. Bye, bye guys, good morning. Weekend. Have a good rest, it was a pleasure. Thanks, see you Monday. Bye-bye. Oh, tonight at 11, anyone who's there, go to Danilo's, he's opening the live show at 11 tonight, and have a great weekend. Bye everyone.

[01:36:48]Bye everyone.

[01:36:49]Bye. Bye. Bye Alessio. Thanks. Bye Lia.