Daystar Heretics with Stephen Beauchamp

追加: 2026-06-01

[00:00:14]I don't need a wizard. [music] Don't need a wizard of eyes.

[00:00:25]I don't need a genie [music] when I have you, the one true God.

[00:00:33][music] >> Hello everyone.

[00:00:39]>> It is Friday and I'm excited. It's casual Friday.

[00:00:44]So, as [music] you can see, I've just got casual clothes on.

[00:00:49]>> What do you think about my friend's new song? Is that the best? I love it. Okay, I'm going to tell you more about our new music today. Um, I got some very talented friends. They come to our home church and uh, man, I was just listening to that song like a hundred times last night. So, I got some permission. I got something fun to share with you. It's going to be super cool. So, we got a lot. Um, we've got Steven Bochamp. We're going to talk about Dayar and uh, he's been in mega ministry. He's been um in sort of uh you know embroiled. He's had his journey with the Lord bring him through a lot of big organizations. And so one of the things he's going to say later is that God does not need Dayar and it was a bit of an eye openener.

[00:01:43]Yeah. Cuz he doesn't. All right. So let me read this to you now. Second Corinthians. My father went crazy. 2 Corinthians 5. I mean, I never seen so many stars in all the times I've been looking through my dad's Bible as 2 Corinthians 5. It is just everywhere. Okay. So, 2 Corinthians 5:1, for we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

[00:02:18]For in this we groan earnestly, desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven.

[00:02:26]If so be that being clothed, we shall not be found naked. Amen. And I'm grateful for that. I think that means when we get to heaven and we're clothed with our earthly eternal home, we will not be naked. Good news, everyone. Write that down. Make a little selfie. Make it turn that into a meme. So this is really cool. So, I want to show you a graphic because are you sort of a songwriter and you you can't really sing. Um, I have that problem. So, one time I was singing in the kitchen and I was mopping and no one was around. So, I just started belting it and all of a sudden my husband whips out of our bedroom upstairs and he comes over the balcony and he's like, "What's wrong? What's wrong?" And I'm like, "I'm singing." And he's like, "I thought somebody was dying. I thought you fell. So anyways, I don't sing. I mean quietly to myself, maybe in the shower once in a while. That's it. But um so I have actually written a few songs in my life.

[00:03:32]So I've got some friends. So put up this poster here. I want you all to know how you can be a part of this. Um they are called Heavenspire Lyric Challenge.

[00:03:41]Calling all Christian writers and poets original Christian song lyrics or poems wanted. All right. And um so this is rooted in scripture, filled with the word of God. They only do Christian content. So it's got to be something.

[00:03:55]Now, they are going to have their submissions. Uh they want submissions sent. The deadline is June 15th. The email is at the bottom there. Do you see it? Contact heavenpiremusic.com.

[00:04:07]Heavenspire. I love it. And I don't know if we could just play that for just a couple more seconds, JT, but just listen to a piece of this music. Now, this music has dropped today. Okay. And you can um go online and find you can download this music. You you can uh it's on Spotify, I believe.

[00:04:32]I don't need [music] a wizard of I don't [music] need a genie when I have you the one true God.

[00:04:52]You found in me a work [music] of art.

[00:04:54]>> I mean the whole thing is spectacular.

[00:04:58]All right, we're going to put up um on the screen there [music] where you can go. Um Spotify, I believe. And this song is um >> is my goodness, I just need to get that uh what's it called? JT man.

[00:05:13]>> Tin Man. Yes, Tin Man. So, it's saying, you know, you don't need this Wizard of Oz. You don't need a genie. You don't need any of that. We have the one true God. We don't need no magic. We just need Jesus. And all of their music, you can go. They've got lots of um uh songs.

[00:05:29]Well, they've got a few songs that they have released now. So, go check that out. Love it. Love it. Love it. All right. So, I want to read to you something that literally just came in.

[00:05:39]Um we're going to talk about um and Steven Bochamp is going to cover this just a bit. Uh the question uh people still saying, you know, how can you say Joanie went to heaven? Um there were some things that were wrong. So, uh, but we believe in the word of God. And the word of God says that, you know, if you repent, if any one of us repent, we know that we get to go to heaven. And so, somebody wrote me and uh said, "Hi, Laurelyn. I wanted to share the following with you and ask you to forward it to Jonathan Lamb. Um earlier this week, my family and I were on our way to a birthday celebration lunch about an hour's drive away and all of a sudden Chris Tomlin's music came on.

[00:06:26]It's so good to sing praises to the Lord.

[00:06:30]So suddenly, this person says, "I was completely overwhelmed in a vision. My whole body froze. I caught my breath. I saw Joanie Lamb in heaven singing this song. She was jumping and twirling and singing with all her heart.

[00:06:48]Many others around her were worshiping with her. Something else. She was so happy.

[00:06:59]I could literally feel her happy happiness with every cell in my body. It overwhelmed me. I began to cry with mutual overwhelming happiness for her that she was there. Praise God. And that she was finally, truly, genuinely, thoroughly, completely happy.

[00:07:20]The whole vision lasted just about 3 minutes. I took a few moments to process and consider what I had just witnessed.

[00:07:28]She was so happy. Laurelyn, I hope this brings peace, comfort, and joy to those that we share it with. I felt like I was witnessing the joy of heaven itself in full celebration over just one repentant person. In this case, Joanie Lamb, Luke 15:7 says, "I say unto you that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner who repents more than over 90 and nine just persons who need no repentance."

[00:07:57]Joanie is indeed in heaven right now giving and experiencing a whole new definition of the word happy. sincerely and that's from Carol and I'll leave the rest and yes I will absolutely forward that to Jonathan and Susie and that will give them comfort. Um that will be um very nice and you know I think I think we we believe that Joanie is in heaven and that despite that this was a very difficult season and there's going to be more difficulties because there are more problems and it's not going to end. But um but Joanie, you know, if we believe the word of God, everyone, then we have to believe that Joanie is in heaven. So, there's somebody else that also wrote me and I [clears throat] want to read this email. I'll put it up there for you.

[00:08:46]Hello, Miss Laurelyn. My name is Maryanne and I was a longtime viewer of Dayar who recently started watching your videos in February of 2026 um after everything Jonathan and Susie uh have gone through. Now, she says a few things. Uh, she wanted to send you what God had impressed on her heart back in 2024. Uh, that Joanie lost her fear of God the day that she agreed to marry Doug Weiss. She says another few things.

[00:09:11]And then, um, if Jonathan would let this scripture always resound in his mind, and that scripture is Proverbs 3:5-7, "Trust in the Lord with all your heart.

[00:09:20]Lean not unto your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths. Be not wise in your own eyes. fear the Lord and depart from evil. So um what I'm what I'm wanting to share in all of this is that [sighs and gasps] um she said some things that many people have said also, you know, a little bit higher there uh regarding, you know, some presumptions. Even people that worked at Taster had some opinions about Joanie Lamb and the way that she felt about Doug Weiss, you know, when he would come on the set and, you know, he was always just adoring and fawning over Lisa, Lisa Weiss, green eyes. Um, and that, you know, it just seemed like Joanie just loved that. Like there was a, you know, she, you know, anyways, she she makes some remarks in that regard.

[00:10:14]So, she had been a faithful viewer. Um, so she wrote Joanie Lamb on April 18th.

[00:10:20]This looks like it was on Facebook and um, April 18th, 2019. That story is now unavailable, but may God be with you, Marcus and Joanie. May God do great things through both of you in Jesus name. And interestingly, April 18th, that's my daughter's birthday. And that is also the birth date of I think Douglas Weiss. Interestingly, um, so May 11th, 2019, it's God's blessing to be a grandmother. I pray I will become a grandmother in the future. Enjoy every moment of it, Joanie. Then in July 18th, 2020, she said, Ariel, Ariel looks just like Marcus. And then December 19th, 2024, this is after the video had come out. This is after I had left Dayar. Uh, it was the beginning of sort of understanding there's a big family drama going on. But she wrote to Joanie and said, "Please take time to fast and pray because there is perilous times waiting for you. So please repent um from the way that you have treated your son Jonathan and Susie. Please seek God's counsel and repent from any wrongdoing."

[00:11:23]Then in March of this year, she watched Dayar and saw that Joanie looked ill.

[00:11:28]And the spirit of the Lord was telling her that she was very sick, even though they did not say anything serious regarding Joanie. And the Lord said Joanie had three requirements to get healed and live. Reconcile with Jonathan and Susie, restore them both to their rightful position at Dayar. Uh divorce Doug Weiss, and if she refused, this woman felt in her heart that it would um it would cost Joanie her life. And so she made notes regarding this. And then um so she says it's sad that she died because she died in bitterness and unrighteousness. We're not judging her behavior is what judged her. So only God has the power um whom he will let into his kingdom, but regarding earthly things, not reconciling with her son and daughter-in-law and other people that she's wronged over Doug. I don't know the heart of God concerning that. But I know our God is a righteous God. Yes, indeed. And then may God bless our ministry. And so you see on on the heart of a lot of um people is this whole issue about if um if Joanie Lamb made it. I sincerely believe that I do believe that she had a come to Jesus moment. And part of that is because of the things that I know that have not yet been revealed, but things that I know that have been said to um people before she passed. So, Kenyan uh did allude to that. And so, I'm just going to say that uh God is a righteous judge. He is also kind, forgiving, and if Joanie made her peace in her last breath, then she gets to go to heaven because the word of God talks about this. So, that's going to come up later with Steven Bochamp as well. But, let's understand something going on at Dayar right now. We have got um you know the the pretty much um the difficult bunch running the show. Uh I've had word that they were going too appoint that three presidents had been put in that there was a day meeting where all of the Dayar employees were brought in together and they have appointed Steve Wilhight um Arnold Torres and Rachel as three coexisting presidents. Now, I would like confirmation on that and so I do welcome any of you. Do we have my email there somewhere, JT? Laura Lindlivegmail.com.

[00:13:53]I want to make it easy for you to all be able to get a hold of me because sometimes um uh you know, you've got information or you don't know like if it'll really get to me and it really will. It really will get to me and I will absolutely read what you have to say. Um the the difficulty that's happening right now of course uh and we talked yesterday about courts. I do have the court documents. There's three different court documents that are now uh registered. And um after talking to lawyer types, I believe that um what we actually see is that you know um that this was a a simple process of going down to the court and Rachel basically um you know she submitted it looks like she submitted the will um and oh there's no share there. Let me get that JT. All right.

[00:14:50]So, uh, application for probate of will and issuance of letters, uh, test, uh, testiment. Rachel Lamb Brown, applicant, furnishes the following information to the court for the probate of the last will and testament of Joanie Traml Lamb.

[00:15:07]Applicant Rachel Lambr is the daughter of de uh, deedent.

[00:15:14]Yep. The last three numbers of applicants social security number are 593.

[00:15:20]The last three numbers of applicants driver's license number are 144. Uh deedent died on May 7th, 2026 at the age of 65 years and four years have not elapsed since the date of descendants's death. The last three numbers of descendant social security number and they give it oh 222. That's cool. The last three numbers all right of her driver's license. This court has jurisdiction and venue is proper because de uh deedent deedent deedent was doiciled in Tarant County, Texas and had a fixed place of residence um at 5110 Montlair uh Drive, Collieville, Texas. Decedent owned personal property described generally as cash, personal effects, and household goods having a probate value in excess of 10 million.

[00:16:14]Uh deedent left a valid written will dated March 13, 2026 called the will, which was never revoked. A copy of the will is being electronically filed with this application and the executed original will shall be filed prior to the uh setting of a hearing on this application. The will was made self-approved in the manner prescribed by law. The subscribing witness to the will was Arnold Torres and Michelle Martinez. The will was notorized by Rosa M. Martinez. No child or children were born to or adopted by deedent after the date of this will. No marriage was dissolved after the date of this will.

[00:16:56]The will names applicant to serve as independent executive of uh deedants estate. Applicant is not disqualified by law from serving uh as such or from accepting letters testimentary and applicant is entitled to such letters.

[00:17:14]The will does not name the state of Texas, any governmental agency of the state of Texas or a charity as a devisy.

[00:17:21]I'm I'm shocked um that you know that maybe Joanie didn't want to leave um her remains uh to Dayar because um that's what they asked a lot of people to do.

[00:17:34]Leave your wills everything that you have leave it to Dayar. I mean that's that was Yeah. Yeah. Um so all right so so there is that one. Okay. Let me go to another one.

[00:17:47]So last will and testament of Joanie Traml Lamb and these are public records now. Uh still not there. Thank you JT.

[00:17:56]All right. I Joanie Traml Lamb sometimes known as Joanie Lamb Weiss or of Tarant County, Texas make declare and publish this my last will and testament and hereby revoke all previous wills and wow and that word made by me. All right.

[00:18:15]Article one. My family, my what is it?

[00:18:18]Cautis sales. My husband, I am married to Douglas Weiss. Uh, every reference in this will to my husband is to him. My children, I have three children.

[00:18:26]Jonathan Lamb. Wonderful that he was named. I mean, not named at the funeral, but nonetheless, named by mom. All right. In this document, beautiful.

[00:18:38][laughter] I think she did get into heaven. All right. [gasps] So she names Jonathan Lamb, Rachel Lamb Brown, and Rebecca Lamb Weiss. Every reference in this will to my child or children means the above and all other children who may be born to or adopted by me in the future. All right. Although my husband has children from a previous marriage and those are children of my husband and not born who are legally adopted by me, for the purpose of this last will and testament, they shall not be considered my children.

[00:19:09]Survivorship clause. For the purpose of this will, no person shall be deemed to have survived me if such person dies within 30 days after my death. Adoption for the purposes da No, she's not going to adopt kids. Okay, nothing happened.

[00:19:22]So, gifts um after providing for payment of debts and expenses as defined in and directed by article 3, my remaining property, meaning the residue of my probate estate, including lapsed gifts, gifts, legacies, and devices, but net of debts and expenses, shall be disposed of as provided in this article two, gift to trust. I give all of my remaining property to the then acting trustee of the revocable tr uh trust of Joanie Lamb dated March 11th, 2026 and any amendments there to the trust executed before this will uh this last will and testament to be added to the property of that trust, my trustee shall distribute my estate under the terms of the trust.

[00:20:10]And so it's my understanding um that we don't necessarily know who the um executive um exeutor of that trust is. Um is it Rachel Lamb? I'm not certain. Is it Arnold Torres? Uh Tom Calendarer? Not sure. Contingent incorporation of trust terms. In the event that my trust is not in effect at the time of my death or if any other reason the poor not the poor I was going to say poor souls I don't know why the poor over fails I hereby incorporate all of the terms of the trust into this will and testament defined words and phrases in the trust shall take precedence over words and phrases all right defined in the last will and testament disposal of community property and powers of appointment not exercised. It is my intention to dispose only of my separate property and my share of community property. However, I do not intend to exercise any power of appointment which I may possess or come to possess unless such power is specifically referred to herein or in my cautisil here too. All right.

[00:21:26]Independent executive. I appoint my daughter Rachel Lamb Brown to serve alone as sole independ independent executive of this will. So this is the will as separate to the trust. In the event Rachel fails or ceases for any reason to serve as my independent executive of this will, I appoint my daughter Rebecca Lamb Weiss to serve alone as sole independent executive of this will. Every reference in this will to my executive is to the executive then serving as such. executive resignation.

[00:21:56]Um, and you'll see there that there was not a mention of Jonathan. Um, an executive may resign at any time with or without cause by filing a resignation notice uh to the probate proceedings pertaining to my estate and by delivering a copy of the resignation notice to the next successor executive named in this will. if any and each adult individual, corporation, trustee or other beneficiary then entitled to or permitted to receive distribution.

[00:22:26]Um I think uh my executive shall receive no compensation for serving or acting.

[00:22:34]So basically she gets zero dollars all right for having to take care of this.

[00:22:40]All right.

[00:22:42]Independent administration without bond.

[00:22:44]I direct that. That's probably pretty standard. I direct that no action um be required in any court in relation to the settlement of my estate other than probating payment of debts my executive shall provide for the payment when due of all debts and obligations that are legally enforceable against my estate.

[00:23:03]It's kind of like just a bunch of, you know, I I think this is all like standard like you just have to have it sort of in there. All right. Um source of payment. Yeah. Charges against exempt taxes. I'll kind of do this slowly. Some of you like to go over things like this. Notwithstanding any contrary provision in this will and to the maximum extent allowed by law, no debts or expenses shall be charged to paid from or satisfied.

[00:23:32]uh out of any interest in any exempt assets including insurance protected under article. And of course there you know there is um probably uh that she probably did have insurance um executive's fiduciary duties, powers and rights. My executive shall act independently and free from control by any court and shall have all of the powers conferred upon trustees by the Texas trust code except for any instances in which the Texas trust code may conflict with the express provisions of this will in which case the provisions of this will shall control generally to sell exchange. So, what it's saying basically here, I believe, is that Rachel um has um you know, full rights and um is able to do whatever is needed to be done for the will side of Joanie Lambs.

[00:24:27]Um, if my husband survives me, I authorize but do not require my executive at the discretion of my executive to enter into an agreement with my husband dividing our community property either proretta or nonpr in cash or in kind including individual interests in kind at reasonable date or dates of [clears throat] division values determined by my executive with or without adjustment for income tax basis.

[00:24:56]Now, there's probably someone out there and you have some real understanding of law and exactly what this is saying. I mean, to me, this is saying that Rachel can confer with Doug Weiss um for division of of mutual assets. Do you have any more to any more? It kind of looks like it says that um she has leeway to do so. Yeah. But I I just >> Right. Right. But I just want to say that I loved when, you know, I found out that Rachel really had some backbone.

[00:25:34]It's not as if we don't know she has backbone, but I just kind of loved when she she stood up. She kind of had a little set too uh in that, you know, in that um in that studio and gave Doug a piece of her mind, >> right? You got to follow the will.

[00:25:58]Right. Right. Yes. So, so what JT is saying, I mean, no matter what, no matter how, you know, if she has any um angst, feelings, or anything, she's basically bound by this. So, whatever this is, she's got to follow it. She can't just go off on Doug, you know, although we're waiting to hear that that happens again. Anywh who all right estate references in this will to my estate means all my interest in the community property owned by me and all my separate property. So heirs at law references to this will to the heirs at law of any person shall be those persons determined to be such according to the law. Yep. Blah blah blah blah. Okay.

[00:26:39]Texas Probate Code uh follows all of that several ability.

[00:26:49]So there you go.

[00:26:52]And one of the reasons that we are taking time to go over this, [clears throat] I have never looked at any of my friends or you know gone through somebody's, but this is a big deal. What's happening right now is a big deal. And I'll tell you why. because somebody's been treated pretty badly for a a little bit of time here and we all want to know is Jonathan going to be treated fairly because what we saw at the funeral how we have seen this bunch Steve will height so if he's if if this is true I I'd like another confirmation I've had I've had confirmation that it's been said that the staff were told that there were three presidents. Now, I like more than that. So, all I'm going to say right now is on first on first hearing of this, it does come from a credible source and has been reported in front of multiple employees, lots of employees that they have appointed Steve Wilhight and Arnold Torres and Rachel as three acting presidents.

[00:28:10]None of that necessarily, I believe, affects the the board. And who's on the board? To my knowledge, Tom and Arnold are still on the board. Have they now put Rachel or Rebecca? Rebecca's name is someone that we just don't find anywhere. I'm wondering if Rebecca does kind of just doesn't want anything much to do with it all.

[00:28:36]She has her her show. Um she has her standing. She's got lots of money coming. Um her and her husband will be able to pay off every debt that they have on their multiple properties that they have acquired. That will be taken care of. I'm assuming. And um maybe somebody doesn't just really have all of this, but you see Rachel always always always wanted the position of being in the lead. She wanted that position. And I'm I'm gonna have to think that what they do know at Dayar is that Rachel is such a liability. Not only because we've been informed how much people don't like her, uh that she's the mean girl. She she does not have a um a gentle spirit.

[00:29:20]If she's upset, it can be very well known. Um she's controlling. There are issues that have presented themselves uh with respect to Rachel's leadership. The other huge liability is the husband, uh, Josh Brown. Uh, the one that we saw. I don't know if you've got a quick, um, you know, in the blue suit. He she bought, uh, him a blue suit. Don't know why. I mean, man, is that coming back? I I don't know. I don't I I don't like the blue suit, but, you know, so we do have um we do have somebody who has actually sent in. We've got a little screenshot and I'm going to see if I can uh get this up to the screen. So, give me just a second here. Somebody has reported that they knew uh Joshua Brown many many years ago. So, Pete apparently he was um Did I send you this at all, JT? Let me see if I can get it in the system right now. Hang on. All right. So, this is something that is on Reddit and Charismatic Starrop.

[00:30:28]They're saying something regarding Joshua Brown. Um, and basically it's something to do with holding a child. So, this is on Reddit recently sent to me. I met Josh when I was 15. My youth group friends and I were volunteering for a festival.

[00:30:49]His band was playing uh before Planet Shakers and were assigned to work their merch tent. I didn't do anything overtly Oh, he didn't do anything overtly weird or predatory to us, but it was weird because he kept deciding to hang out in the hot tent with a bunch of teen girls rather than hanging out in the air conditioned trailer with other adults.

[00:31:15]He [snorts] gave one of my friends his email and added us on Facebook. When I watched the not the good girl dock and I saw him, my body froze. As soon as I heard about the allegations, I said out loud, "Pete is Josh."

[00:31:33]There are uh people that know uh about Pete. They know about his past. And um so I would say that there's going to be more information coming out and that this is just a firestorm waiting to be lit and it's kind of a serious one.

[00:31:55]Next week, we're going to go over some of the police um the police videos that were released. And I've actually found a guy that gave some commentary to the Joshua Brown police um videos. And uh he had excellent points and so we're going to highlight a little bit of that. Um, in it will be featured where Rebecca and JW were concerned because JW was concerned that Pete had his arms under underwater as he was with the kids.

[00:32:31]These are things that there's just so many so many things that were said to the police and contradictory statements to everyone else and then, oh yeah, they just closed the case. you know, I'm I'm at a complete loss uh as to, you know, the ineptness at times. Um, you know, Joshua Brown, Pete's his testimony completely different than JW and Rebecca, completely different than um the housekeeper, Sylvia.

[00:33:08]The nanny never interviewed.

[00:33:12]All right. And what do we do with all this? His testimony completely different than Jonathan and Susie.

[00:33:21]So, it's just a mess. And every single day, Dayar's best ideas is that this would be the new face of ministry. Now I mean even the way he sits it it's people uh we we have had um former employees from Dayar that all behind the scenes it was like you know is is that guy is is is he you know twinkle toes or what? like there's just something and with all of the allegations with all of this stuff uh this is and Rachel Rachel she's going to be oh being one of the three presidents or whatever and of course she's going to want to feature uh Joshua Brown. So somebody wrote me regarding um seeing them on Ministry now and some of the clips and stuff and it's it's just it's unwatchable. It's literally unwatchable.

[00:34:25]And these are the decisions being made by the people in charge.

[00:34:32]Um I I don't have words. I really don't.

[00:34:36]Okay. So, we have somebody that has just uh sent in 1 hour ago an email and she says Rachel is trying to do the same thing with her mother's will. So, here we go. If you can put that up on the screen now, JT. Um trying to not share people's names. Um unknown, missing or incapacitated heir refers to individuals who are entitled to inherit from an estate but cannot be located are not known or are unable to manage their own affairs due to incapacity. In such cases, the probate process may require special measures to protect their interests, such as appointing a guardian, um, ad litum, or publishing notices to locate them.

[00:35:27]So, no, not all wills have a section specifically labeled as unknown, missing, or incapacitated air. This designation typically applies when there are errors that cannot be located or are incapacitated and it is not a standard requirement in every will. So who is missing other than Jonathan is what they're saying. All right.

[00:35:52]So uh this person is saying this unknown, missing or incapacitated.

[00:36:03]and there's a redaction.

[00:36:11]Okay.

[00:36:13]So, this is something that a lawyer type exactly wrote to me and says that um basically uh people do know uh where Jonathan is.

[00:36:26]It's doesn't take rocket science.

[00:36:29]So, is there some kind of monkey business? Cuz you can bet, here's the thing that you can bet your bottom dollar on. All kinds of monkey business is going to go on. All kinds of monkey business.

[00:36:43]Absolutely. If it can happen, it's going to go on by the flying monkeys. All right. Huh. All right. Well, we're going to we'll just look into that. Just saying. You know, every tea has to be crossed, every eye dotted, doesn't it?

[00:37:02]And um if there's any shenanigans at all, it's definitely going to come pouring out, isn't it?

[00:37:10]100%.

[00:37:12]100%. I'm looking back at the the the documents that were given us yesterday.

[00:37:20]Okay. So what I can say is that I had these documents yesterday and okay that is not that has not redacted anything.

[00:37:29]Okay just to be clear this we're on the move here. Um unknown missing or incapacitated errors. Um what they're saying is this is not typical but there is nothing missing on the original that I had but I think that this person has made a a notice of this like why you know why is this being said because this is not an automatic this is not something that you would automatically put in there. So what's going on? All right, that is coinciding with what another lawyer type was saying to me on a voice message today that it would be important that Jonathan um and Susie would let them know absolutely 100% because they do know I'm assuming it's not hard um but to let them know that exactly where they are and so if there's anything to be talked about that there's no incapacity idated or unfound missing. All right.

[00:38:30]Error. It's all perfectly fine. So, the final document that we I don't think that we went through this one, JT. Um, does this look like a new one? I will put it up here. So, I believe it's this one that we have already gone through.

[00:38:46]Um, but it does say, you know, down here, uh, respectfully submitted Kelly Hart and Hman LLP.

[00:38:56]Um wherefore applicant prays that citation be issued as required by law to all persons interested in this estate that upon notice and hearing as required by law. The will be admitted to probate as dissident's last will and testament that the court authorize the issuance of letters testimeamentary to applicant upon qualification and that all other orders to be entered as the court may deem proper. And um do you still have those items from yesterday by any chance JT? Those uh three um three pages. So here it is where um somebody writing in is just saying that this is the part you know where right there you can see uh any errors missing or wow that's very that is very um blurry.

[00:39:51]But in in any case, we kind of already showed this document and the case being made um you know why why even comment uh you know or why are you saying errors that you can't find? Obviously they can. All right. So here is the final document we want to share today.

[00:40:10]And um so in the probate court order admitting will to probate and authorizing letters testimentary on this date uh came on to be heard the application for probate of will and for issuance of letters testimentry filed by Rachel Lamb Brown in the estate of Joanie Traml Lamb. Um, the court having heard the evidence and having reviewed the last will and other documents filed herein, finds that the application complies with the Texas Estate Code. Notice and citation have been given in the manner and for the length of time required by law.

[00:40:53]So, notice of citation have been given.

[00:40:55]Mhm.

[00:40:57]So, I'm going to get my lawyer friend to really give me some advice after all of this to see what's happening. Uh, I mean, for sure, I'm I'm sure it's probably in order. It's public um, you know, public to for everyone to see. So, I'm sure everything's absolutely fine.

[00:41:13]Everything is fine. Everything is fine.

[00:41:16]Uh, descendant died on May 7th, 2026 at the age of 65 years. Four years have not elapsed. Yes. This court has jurisdiction and venue of dissident's estate because the decident was doiciled and had a fixed place of residence in this country um on the date of death. Descant left a written will dated March 13th, 2026. The will executed with the formalities and solemnities and under the circumstances required by law to make it a valid will.

[00:41:45]On the date of execution of the will, the decident had attained the age of 18 years. Yes, of course, no objection to or con contest of the probate of the will has been filed.

[00:42:02]All of the necessary proof required for the probate of the will has been made.

[00:42:08]The will is entitled to probate. I guess I just have a casual question. I mean, I'm just asking like, shouldn't Jonathan be there or No, cuz he doesn't. So, shouldn't he know?

[00:42:25]Did is that a a ridiculous thing to to ask? I I mean, just shouldn't he know?

[00:42:31]All right, back to this. Uh, the will is entitled to probate. All of the necessary proof required for the probate of the will has been made. In the will uh descendant name applicant Rachel Lamb Brown to serve as independent executive applicant Rachel Lamb Brown is not disqualified by law from serving a as such or from accepting uh letters testimementary and applicant is entitled to such letters. H okay so isn't that um isn't that fascinating? All right. Well, we're going to talk about what is going on in the Christian world at Dayar um and other places and some of the the the heretics, the false prophets, the things that have been platformed on Dayar. And we're going to talk about it with my dear friend Steven Bochamp. This was earlier today.

[00:43:28]Well, once again, I am thrilled to have Steven Bochamp here. And I'll just remind you everyone of uh some of the things that I had to overcome in order because you know we've done a lot of um talking. We've done a lot of exposures.

[00:43:42]We've we've talked a lot about you know some certain leaders that have had problems in the charismatic circles. So here I meet Steven Bochamp and just sense that he is such a powerful man of God and has been through you know so much and he and his wife Sage beautiful people. So, you know, I get shocked. I get his bio. Um, and uh they they were uh involved in the Brownsville Revival and they graduated from Brownsville Revival School of Ministry. He was the get this the director of uh prophecy, healing, and deliverance training at IHOP for 17 years. Was in the vicinity, you know, saw Mike Bickl. So, director of intercession and deliverance as well at Christ for All Nations. And you might know that is the Reinhard Bonkey uh ministry now run uh by another uh leader. So, Stephen, welcome to the show again. I sure appreciate that you're here and uh and I appreciate the expertise that all of this very uh astounding experience has given you in in big ministry like you worked for for big ministry.

[00:44:59]>> Yeah. Well, thanks for having me and uh yeah, what that means is there's been a ton of experience. I've seen the good, the bad, and the ugly. And thank the Lord that we've come out on the other side wiser for it. Uh we we have gone through a lot of painful situations, but at the same time, God is showing me that he has been faithful through it all, and that now we can come out and start sharing uh with people how to discern what's real, what's false, what's fake, what's authentic. And that's where my heart's always been in each of these ministries was to pursue the authentic move of the Holy Spirit according to the word of God.

[00:45:41]>> Right. I um I just appreciate that so much. And you know uh I appreciate that you help me to wade through things because sometimes you also have a different perspective and you have known a lot of people personally. And this last week as we have gone through like uh for those of us who really love Jonathan and Susie Lamb um we we have been so hurt actually on their behalf because something there is this travesty of of what is happening that is devastating and um and yet we know God's in charge but you know there was some things that happened at the funeral and all of that and and you've got a perspective on that.

[00:46:23]Yeah, I I really do. I've been blown away and and I would love to just take a moment and maybe do and share a little teaching on some of the issues that I found because I was disturbed. Uh I grew up listening to Jensen Franklin and uh what I saw uh that he did at the funeral was uh very disturbing just the way the word of God was weaponized. And I just appeal to Jensen to really reconsider those words. And primarily what's been thrown around a lot that I'm hearing so much lately is the term the Lord said and uh the Lord told me or the Lord brought me. And so just again emphasizing the need for the fear of the Lord before we speak those words. When you say, "Yahweh, the Lord of hosts, has spoken to me," those words that come out of your mouth a afterward better be spot-on accurate. And I believe we've allowed too many people to just go online and build ministries around these quote unquote prophetic words and use the scripture in a way that is more of a gaslighting manipulative way than it is a sincere witness of the heart of God.

[00:47:41]And so I want to talk about a couple of things today. I want to talk about how to interpret scripture in the the prophetic anointing. I taught on the prophetic for years at IHOP. And then at the same time, I want to talk about the heart of God because someone who claims to prophesy really needs to have the heart of the father. And so I'm reminded again of Jeremiah uh chap 23 verse 31 and 32. It says, "Behold, I am against the prophets, declares the Lord, who use their tongues and declare, the Lord declares, Behold, I am against those who have prophesied false dreams, declares the Lord, and related them and led my people astray by their falsehoods and reckless boasting. Yet I did not send them or command them, nor do they furnish this people the slightest benefit, declares the Lord. In the Old Testament, we had prophets who would prophesy on a regional and national level. And when you read the Old Testament, these prophets would speak directly to the the country and to the region. And it was very limited when you look at the number of prophecies that we have in the Old Testament. I mean, you think of Habach and Nahm and Amos. Amos was a farmer and he just got this download from the Lord and wrote it and it's not but maybe a couple of chapters.

[00:49:09]But here you see these people online claiming to get prophetic words on the daily straight from heaven. And what we see in a New Testament model is that prophecy was much more local. It was much more governed by a local body of believers rather than this national stage of prophecy. And so prophecy is for edification, exhortation, and consolation. It's not necessarily to uh get online and tell the entire church what season it's in. I believe each church can be at different ways and different levels and seasons at different times. And something that in the charismatic community we do really bad that really fires me up is we do something called isog Jesus. Now is Jesus is when you take something and uh you insert your own ideas or assumptions or agenda into the text rather than extrapolating what the text is saying in its original context. And we do this a lot as charismatics. We we cherrypick a verse and then we say this is what the Lord is saying and we insert our situation into that storyline. Now the Bible was written in a way that all the stories parallel our lives. We can find ourselves in scripture because these stories are things we can relate to and the Lord will absolutely highlight those things out of those stories and prophecies that speak to us individually. But what we'll do is uh let me give you an example. Let's uh if you have a Bible, I want to go to Acts chapter 16. And uh just read this story.

[00:50:58]Acts chapter 16. This is when Paul is on his way to Jerusalem and uh he is going through Samaria, but they or no, this is Jesus, I'm sorry. Or is it? No, it's Paul going through. And there was a woman who continued to cry out. And it said, "It happened in verse 16 that as we were going to the place of prayer, a slave girl having a spirit of divination met us who were bringing her masters much profit by fortunetelling."

[00:51:31]Following after that and us, she kept crying out, saying, "These men are bondervants of the most high God who are proclaiming to you the way of salvation." Now, what's interesting is what she's saying is true. What she's saying could have easily been interpreted as the word of the Lord.

[00:51:51]And so, she continued doing this for many days. But Paul was greatly annoyed and turned and said to the spirit, "I command you in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her." And it came out that very moment. But when her master saw that their hope of profit was gone, they seized Paul and Silas and dragged them into the marketplace before the authorities. And when they had brought them to the chief magistrates, they said, "These men are throwing our city into confusion being Jews." And so you can take that verse and apply it to many different situations. There's people proclaiming things that may be informationally true, but in a spirit of divination.

[00:52:35]And so, it was the the lack of monetary gain that the leaders were experiencing that were so frustrated that Paul dealt with this issue. And I would say that we could easily apply this parallel to what's going on in in situations today where it doesn't matter if what you're saying is in the right spirit. you are bringing in money for the organization and anyone who speaks out or cast out that spirit is going to be labeled a troublemaker causing confusion. Now you can easily parallel what I just read with a certain situation we all know of and it now the way I presented it to you is something that is real and authentic as to how [clears throat] the scripture can be used. I could have played the game and said, "I've got a word of the Lord for the people today. This is what the Lord says. Acts chapter 16, you have a spirit of divination, and this is all about profit." Now, see how how preachers and ministers can spin it.

[00:53:41]Yeah.

[00:53:42]>> And and the word is living and active and profitable. It's alive. When we read it, there's an anointing on it. And we don't need the hamburger helper to say this is the word of the Lord to you today. You just speak the word and if it confirms or convicts, that's what it does. We don't need to prop ourselves up as with as if we are prophets. And so I just I want to challenge people. I could do it again. Uh Mark, Matthewap 11, Luke chapter 11, there's stories of the Pharisees who were uh wanting the chief saints. They wanted to be recognized by men. They wanted the accolades, but yet Jesus said they were whitewashed tombs.

[00:54:24]And so there's this is Jesus that takes place that in the charismatic community where we take a passage and we insert ourselves into it first rather than looking at its original context and then communicating into it in a way that bears witness to the spirits of people rather than using the God card. The God card is manipulative because that puts a person in a difficult position either to call you a liar or come under the burden of what they think God is speaking in that moment. And it's got to stop. And just like Paul was annoyed by that woman saying these things, we should be annoyed at the God card where false prophecies are running rampant. And most of these people are not submitted to a local body of believers in church governance in order to have these words weighed. And right now we see the Jeremiah Johnson's, we see the Mike Pickles, we see the various ones, the Shawn Bulls, they're continuing in ministry. There's been very little change of accountability because the people are covering them up for sorted gain or they themselves have been gaslit by the manipulation of the thus sayeth the Lord uh deception.

[00:55:46]>> Wow. [laughter] Sudden stop right there.

[00:55:51]That well this is so intriguing. And when I think about how um in in this scripture in Acts that these guys were called the disruptors, they were called they were disrupting this uh way of making money. This false divination even if she was able because we know sometimes you know people get sucked in even to fortune tellers because they are getting information of course from familiar spirits and things like this.

[00:56:17]And then, you know, you're you're referring to people uh we have a lot going on where the I guess if you're bringing prophetic words um you you get a lot of views. Is that because Christians are so hungry to hear a word?

[00:56:38]I believe it's it's a combination of hunger and I also believe it's it's an issue of a low biblical IQ, low knowledge of the scriptures where we're looking for someone else to get the word of the Lord for us. It's a neglect of our own personal devotional lives and study to understand the word of God. Um it is absolutely for fame. I believe people are seeking fame. Uh we are a culture in the west that loves to prop people up and put them on pedestals and uh have American idols. And so these are the things that need to come down even at Dayar regardless of what happens. Uh there needs to be a reform where we remove heretics from platforms. We actually take a stand and remove false prophets from platforms. And that will cost you something. There will be a price that has to be paid. But if you want authenticity over this plastic performance ministry that we see running rampant in the church today and even on television and online, I mean, some of these people are just saying these prophetic words saying, "I heard the Lord." And you know, I don't want to uh throw anyone under the bus, but I don't need the the Lord to show me that Dayar was a mafia ran ministry. You know, all you need all you need is a little bit of common sense to see that's what's going. If you've been in the mix, they're all running like mafias. They all have the mob boss at the top and are manipulating.

[00:58:11][snorts] And so for those of us who look, it preaches well. It's really easy to preach and say it's all a mob. It's all a mafia. Stop listening these people. But the only way reformation is going to take place is for you to pull out. is for you to stop playing the game. And that is difficult. There's so many people out there floating right now because they don't want to play the game anymore. But there's not really many alternatives out there. And so we need to start asking the Lord, what about ourselves? Starting something where we just start connecting with people. And that's what my wife and I are doing is we're really trying to just focus on family, focus on loving each other, getting a sincere love because what Jesus said to the Pharisees, uh he said, "You have disregarded justice and the love of God." And so there's a justice chip and there's a love of God chip. And some of us are uh more gifted in mercy and compassion. My wife, she sees the good in everybody. She very rarely says anything negative. Uh I've never heard her say anything negative about anybody.

[00:59:24]I on the other hand, I have more of a justice chip and I am black and white and I will call you out and you know I have to repent oftentimes for being critical because you know there's just a mixture there. So you have some people specifically with this dayar situation maybe they are love and caring and they see the situation with the family and they want to love and they want to nurture but there is a justice issue as well that we cannot neglect where there has been uh the allegations of abuse there's been fraud there's been manipulation there's been financial there's been so many things where justice needs to be upheld but in either camp. We need a a fresh revelation of the love of the father because there's two extremes. If if you love too much, then you can not I won't I I won't say love too much. I'll say if you are hyper grace. If you give too much grace, then you allow corruption to continue and that is unhealthy. At the same time, if you're too much justice, you can be like the disciples. I I believe it's Luke chapter nine in verse 54 and 55 where Jesus was going through Samaria and the Samaritans would not allow Jesus to stay there and the disciples wanted to call down fire on their heads for vengeance and so Jesus says vengeance is mine I will repay and before we start proclaiming vengeance type of words Jesus told them you do not know what spirit you are of let Vengeance be the Lord's as we speak the truth in righteousness for just. We hold the line for justice, but no one's getting away with anything before the Lord. He is just. So, we need to avoid the vengeance heart of anger. Uh we need the love of the father to know how to process what God's really thinking and feeling about a situation before we put our mouths on it. And when I was in Bible college, all I did was study these scriptures of how you can lose your salvation. Uh Hebrews 6:6, Hebrews 10:26, 2 Peter 2:20, uh Revelation 3:5, they [clears throat] all talk about a falling away and apostasy, but I was feeding myself on those scriptures. And look, I know there's controversy over whether or not Joanie made it or not. And and this really breaks my heart because this goes back to sotiology. This is a a knowledge of salvation.

[01:01:55]Whenever your spirit is regenerated, it is washed by the regeneration of the spirit. Titus chapter 3 verse 5, you are born again of spirit. You become a child of God. The only way that can be taken away from you is if you become apostate.

[01:02:18]That is if you completely renounce the God is the the God is God and Jesus as your Lord and Savior. Now people say, "Well, what about if you practice sin, if you commit adultery, if you commit manipulation and power struggles?" Look, if I were to follow anyone's life, I would dare say 98% of us all have control issues, manipulation issues, power struggle issues. Some of us have lust problems. porn pornographic addictions. Maybe you married someone that it wasn't or or divorced someone and remarried that wasn't biblical. But God as a father sees us as his children.

[01:03:01]There can be loss of reward but he looks at the heart and uh most of us see God as mostly mad, sad or disappointed all the time. But Hebrews tells us that Jesus has been anointed because he loved righteousness and hated wickedness. He was anointed by the father with the oil of joy above all his companions. He's the most happy. He's the mo most joyous.

[01:03:26]He's the most forgiving. He's the most merciful. We don't know how who we're dealing with sometimes because he's so kind. The transaction of our behavior compared to our inheritance in Christ is overwhelming. Now, I'm not saying that if you have a hard heart and you mistreat people and you don't have the fear of the Lord, there will be punishment. There will be loss of reward. But to condemn someone eternally to hell and eternal punishment, you better know that you know that God is speaking that reality and that the person's heart had become apostate. And personally, I don't feel like Joanie had crossed that line. I believe that she was still a believer in Jesus Christ despite her failures, despite her weaknesses, despite her power struggles.

[01:04:18]And so I I would love to put that to rest if possible because uh scripturally and uh just satiology wise I I believe she was a child of God or the other extreme would be she was never a child of God to begin with. That would be the other extreme.

[01:04:34]>> The interesting thing um happening thank you for for you know clarifying all of this is because people have been so upset um they knew about Dayar a lot a lot longer than I did. um they watched uh Doug Weiss when he was on the show talking about his lovely wife and how in love he was with her. So they knew all about that. I I didn't I didn't know Doug Weiss from A Hole in the Wall. Even when you know I talked to Joanie myself on her set about him when they were dating. I kind of just went, "Oh, okay."

[01:05:08]You know, he sounds a very nice man. You know, she was telling me these things. I didn't know anything about the story. So come to find out when when all of this has happened then people got very upset and then they got upset because it was presented as if it was okay. It was presented to the audience as if it was okay. They called that which was um unholy as if it were holy. So the angst came and then then she's sick. Nobody knows. There's no like let's pray for her and then she dies and in the meantime so people are upset about all of this. So they there's a bit of a like how can she possibly be saved because she did all of these things. But what I have I totally agree with you that when we receive Jesus I mean God forbid on what day that any of us face we we have no guarantee of tomorrow. So a car crash anything can happen. So what if you did something bad the day before? You shouldn't have done that but but you did. Does that mean you're not going to heaven? you know, no, our our salvation is sealed in Christ because he died on the cross because we receive and we believe that Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior, died on the cross for our sins so that we could be forgiven. So, thank you for setting that straight because people are and in the feeds inevitably even if I say, you know, well, she, you know, she finished her course, she finished well. And what I mean by that is that we do have this information uh coming to us, you know, from Kenyon. Um, and there there's more information that she said some things in those final days. She said things. It's out of the bag. Okay, we just don't have everyone's permission to say stuff, but things have been said. It's out of the bag. It will come out. It will in due course, in due time. But, uh, that showed us a little bit of insight that she um, she began to realize some things. And that's a beautiful thing, and we should all give her some room.

[01:07:04]But the other thing that I want to ask you about is um you mentioned about these uh platforming these prosperity gospel teachers, these fake prophets and this is the problem with Dayar. Yes, they did get satellites across the world. Yes, they did bring the gospel of Jesus as they say across the world. They also brought the prosperity message across the world. They also taught a false narrative. they they were in the the nar so to speak, the apostolic uh reformation, the prophetic um recently seeing you know even um something that that Marcus Lamb had said giving an indication. I mean he he was tied in with those groups and so that is what Dayar did. They platformed um and have and still continue to do that and Jensen Franklin uh is one of them. uh Joseph Z, these others are still on there, still platformed, and now we have a group of people, and this is my final thing I'm going to say before I turn it over to you, but we have a group of people in charge right now who are totally on board with all of that. And and uh games can be played. And here's a young reformer, a young Joseph in the kingdom, a young Daniel who's basically saying, "Let it be the word and the word alone.

[01:08:22]let us stand with integrity and truth.

[01:08:25]And Jonathan and Susia paid a very high price. So, you know, we're continuing continuing to watch the epic saga, the epic modern-day biblical tale of what is happening at Dayar.

[01:08:37]>> And uh just let me be clear, I'm not affirming anything that Joanie did. I'm not affirming anyone that they platform.

[01:08:45]I believe it was dirty. I believe it's filthy what happened. I just really want to appeal to people uh concerning the heart of the father, concerning how God really feels about these situations and how incredibly kind he is. Now, in revival, we >> we were getting uh saved every week. It was such a heavy repentance message, but when you only feed on one particular council of the scripture, sometimes we miss some of the others. And I spent years studying and dialoguing the father's heart and and communicating and and asking God, "How do you really feel about your children?" And look, when I see my daughters fail, when I see them make mistakes, even when they're angry and they're ugly, they don't understand, I still love them. They're still in the house. So unless they are old enough to pack up their bags and walk out the door and totally reject me forever, they're still allowed in my home. And so that's kind of the way I we need to approach these things. At the same time, if you practice sin willfully, if you are in rebellion and you know the right thing to do and you stick your thumb and your nose up at God, you can be in danger of that apostasy. And so we we do walk a fine line with that. Now, yes, there are heretics being platformed at Dayar right now. I make no qualms about that. Um there's a certain man who teaches modalism. Uh there's the prosperity gospel. Uh there's the plastic sort of inauthentic showmanship that's still going on on the platform and podium. God is opposed to these things. In Malachi 1:10 says, "Oh, that someone would shut the gates and stop needlessly kindling fire on my altar." This is a false fire.

[01:10:37]It is a false flame. It is not revealing who God really is in his heart to speak through his people. And we need an authentic local body of believers to hold these people accountable. The very fact that these guys are still functioning shows the failure of our church structures. And that's where the reform needs to come. But the people need to stop contributing their funds to this. They need to stop watching this.

[01:11:03]They need to get out of these Babylonian churches. And I know that's harsh, but your healing, your deliverance, all of that from that spirit of this age requires you to pull out.

[01:11:16]>> Wow. Amen. Um because this is how it's gotten so big is um you need a lot of money in order to have a show on Dayar, right? So there's just a lot of push for it. Then you get the exposure on Dayar.

[01:11:32]So, um, you you mentioned a bunch of different things like even heretics. Uh, so when when you're putting this out, you've got these naive uh people, people that don't necessarily know the word, but they're sitting at home and they just want to support this cuz they're hearing somebody ask for money. Do you know most of us when somebody asks uh us for money, we have kind hearts. We actually want to help. So, this is someone who's coming into your living room right every day and they're saying, you know, we need funds. we've got this project or that project or we're just building our big center you know uh Joseph C has a big center that he he's got going on and so you need these funds so what you do is you you know you appeal to everybody but then Dayar is able to keep their like it's it costs a lot of money so you got to be one of these you know sharks you have to be very adept at raising money in order to be on the platform that is supposed to be preaching the gospel that is not for gain, you know. So, it's all a vicious cycle of of money needing and money requesting and money grubbing and and that has been the cycle that has followed. And what about just the truth of a network that is there to promote Jesus, make it affordable for the guys that are the real deal who aren't trying to flee the sheep.

[01:12:58]I I think there's a way forward to produce something that can be authentic.

[01:13:03]I personally don't believe that a person's primary mode of pastoral care should be online or on television. I believe what we watch and take in online and and through media, I believe should be supplemental learning of the word of God. Uh we really need our local churches to step up and be the primary source. Now, maybe you're older and you can't get out. And some of these TV uh preachers have been uh great for people to continue to hear the word of God, unless of course those who are teaching the word of God are teaching error. And so, I believe Marcus Lamb was clear that he wanted his son to inherit the ministry. But to be honest, even if Jonathan does take over again, uh there needs to be a real cleansing of the house to say, "We're going to build on another foundation of authenticity so that an authentic word of the Lord can go forth and we can see true conversions, not just these single prayer of salvation checklists in order to uh beef up our numbers and make us look good.

[01:14:17]Um, I think that's what we need is something more authentic, something that has a foundation that is built upon a solid ecclesiology where we're all held properly accountable and don't have these board members and and people that are just there for their own self-preservation and are giving words that help themselves and are claiming to call people the spirit of Ahab and the spirit of Jezebel. Look, I know we use these terms, but again, that's is Jesus. We don't really think that Joanie Lamb was practicing witchcraft and sleeping with uh so many adulterers at at a astral pole. You know, we don't think that she was murdering the prophets just like Ahab was an emasculated man who laid down and committed such terrible acts.

[01:15:13]You know, we can't just label these people like that. That's why I say there's parallels. We can say, "Oh, well, this person was manipulative like Jezebel." But to put that full stamp on somebody, Jezebel's not in heaven.

[01:15:25]Jezebel didn't make it. Okay? Jezebel never even came close to that. And so, we've got to be careful with these hyperbolic statements that we use the scriptures in a weaponized way. And uh we just got to stop it because we do it in the name of the prophetic and it's damaging. I just listened to Mike Winger's interview with uh is it Amy Beth Stucky or Ali Beth? I I forget.

[01:15:49]>> Uh Ali Beth, you know, >> Ali Beth. I was so disheartened because man, the charismatic community is just taking a beating as a result of all the lies and all the lack of accountability and the abuse of spiritual gifts or even faking spiritual gifts. And so if Dayar moves forward and Jonathan is the guy, which I believe his father is what wanted. Now there's dynamics there with the sisters that have to be worked out.

[01:16:17]But my appeal to them would be, you know, what did your father want? What was your what was the vision of the ministry? Get back to that and let's not try to pat our own pockets or or maintain a ministry that's not really doing what God really wants to be done, >> right? You can't get on national international [clears throat] daily television and talk about the peace of God, the joy, the love of the Lord for forgiveness and be having a family dynamic where it's your mother's um funeral and you refuse that like Jonathan is the nicest guy. He is uh forgiving. He is forgiving. He is uh a a standup righteous guy, but he's willing to extend, you know, and he asked, he was he was polite. I'd like to speak at mom's funeral. That was his mother as well. And in spite of, you know, all the things that had happened, there should have been much greater care because now the masses are turning on them. The masses are saying you you get up there and you talk about unity and love and forgiveness on your broadcast and you look like you're just hypocrites because what you did nationally in front of the world to your brother. So there there's just a huge a huge disconnect in all of it. And I think that is revealing the very the the problem that's that's in the foundation of all of this. and you talked about um you know about uh television being or internet online being supplemental to what you've got going on and I I really appreciate that and we are going to be gathering at your home July 11th in Port St. Lucy in Florida and I'm pretty excited about that. I'm really excited to just gather with the saints, with the remnant, with people who love the true word of God.

[01:18:19]And uh you know, you've opened your home and and I just appreciate that you have such beautiful hearts to serve the community and you see the need there.

[01:18:31]>> Well, it's always been our hearts and over the years, I've seen so many relationships destroyed because of ministry. I've seen so many brothers in Christ and I've seen so many families choose ministry and the continuation of their ministry over maintaining a healthy loving relationship with their family and the body of Christ. And it's just got to stop. And so it's got to be built relationally. It's got to be love first.

[01:19:01]Uh our hearts need to be purified for a sincere love of the brethren. And the only way that can truly happen is time spent together. And so we're opening up our home just to get to know people and love people. And I think that's where the heart of the father is is in those places of just not having any special person do any special thing, but let's just be together and fight God's presence and and let him be the head of the church. And so I pray I pray for Dayar. I pray for this family. I pray for Jonathan. It has been horrible, but let's not let these external pressures and and all of these damaged emotions uh filter uh or give us a filter that keeps us from seeing the bigger picture of what's important in life. And I'm afraid that's what happened at this funeral. There's such a bigger bigger thing at play than just a television ministry. And if you want to talk about eternal rewards, God is far more interested in how you're treating your brother and your sister than he is the masses of people listening to your program. God doesn't need you. They star. God doesn't need you. He's looking at hearts.

[01:20:23]>> Wow, man. That just like I feel a chill.

[01:20:28][laughter] I I I do like that something that you just said there. That's just such a warning.

[01:20:36]Like God doesn't need your big network, not your satellites, nothing. He will do his work in lots of ways. He is looking for the heart. He's looking for those that will act with purity, with holiness, with the fruits of the spirit, love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, meekness. He's looking for those that are operating in forgiveness in kindness. If we don't see that, then what spirit is is actually at play?

[01:21:09]>> Wow. I really felt that. Um, so I'm going to see you and uh, Sage in just about uh, just over a month and a bit.

[01:21:18]We invite everyone in the viewing audience if you are in Florida or if you want to just fly in, have a blast, we are going to be there. And uh, we're we were hoping that parking is uh, going to be sorted. You know, if if the whole entire if everybody comes, it might be a problem. But, you know, we just we just wanted to say we want to gather. Some people might live. We already know people in Port St. Lucy that are like we're we're going to be there. So, that's fun. Wonderful. And yeah, I'm excited about that.

[01:21:45]>> Thank you, Stephen. Say hello to Sage and uh we'll talk to you again.

[01:21:49]>> All right. And um God bless you. Thanks for your time.

[01:21:52]>> All right. Thank you, Laurian. Bye-bye.

[01:21:54]>> That byebye. Hey there. Many of you would value getting your hands on some ivormectin, hydroxychloricquin, orphendazol. Contact Mia at sooalth at proton.me.

[01:22:08]Don't [music] need a wizard. No, don't need a wizard [music] of ice.

[01:22:19]I don't need a genie.

[01:22:22]When I have you, the one true God.

[01:22:28]You formed in me. [music] >> Wow. Well, >> I'm wondering if any of you out there love to write songs [music] and you would like to be a part of my friends.

[01:22:42]They are awesome. They are so talented and they do all kinds of great things.

[01:22:47]Um, so if you would like to be part of the Heavenspire Lyric Challenge, calling on all Christian writers and poets, original Christian song, lyrics or poems wanted, submission deadline, June 15th.

[01:23:00]See that email right down there? contact at heavenpiremusic.com because they are going to choose something the winning lyric produced into a full song with potential release.

[01:23:10]All right. So they they are so talented like this one uh fellow I mean he's he uh he's a photographer actually and he has photographed uh Lady Diana. Um he's he's uh been involved with very very famous famous people and he's very just the neatest guy. uh they love music and they put all of this together. So get your names in for that. We want to also let you know that when we're not on set here, one of the things that we are doing is uh we're doing this and that should be on a share there. JT, we are out there making a difference in people's lives. We love to go into these rooms that are really destroyed. They don't have um any love. That was the good side, but this is what we find. And then we do a room makeover and we change everything and we love contributing to precious people who really just need a little leg up. And so that is the mission um that we invest in right now.

[01:24:16]And if you are willing to be a part of that and help us then we have zel Gmail zel or e transfer. Um you can go to our website there ways to donate. You can become a monthly partner and if you can do $50 or more per month, we would love love love to get this beautiful little silver cross out to you because I just love silver crosses. And some of you all ask about this one. Um, you have to get this at a special uh place here in Canada actually. Uh, but for these, we're going to just ship these around the world to you. So, let us know if you can help us with 50 bucks or more per month. And we also do have Oh, wonderful. This guy's life was changing.

[01:25:01]Never had a television. See that TV? We put that in. We made the whole place look like it was uh a little New York condo. And also for silver and gold, uh we want to let you know that um the guy that we trust and believe in is uh Steve Merrill and Sun City Silver and Gold.

[01:25:20]That is where you can get a hold of him at sovereignizmail.com.

[01:25:26]I would love to lead you um into a time of the scriptures and um praise God.

[01:25:36]Praise God. I thank God that we've had a good day, that we can trust him. We can trust him with each of the moments of this journey.

[01:25:51]that in the highs and the lows, he's in full control. That God is God. He will not be outdone or undone by anyone.

[01:26:04]His plans and purposes will come to pass.

[01:26:07]And it does not matter about the scheme of man or how people choose to behave.

[01:26:16]God sees it all. He's in charge. He meets out his discipline. For those who are fakes for those who do not walk with integrity before God, he sees it all. And he's doing something right now. He's actually getting rid of it. It's an interesting thing, isn't it?

[01:26:39]It says here in Galatians 5:16, "So I say, walk by the spirit and you will not gratify the [music] desires of the of the flesh. For the flesh desires what is contrary to the spirit and the spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other so that you are not to do whatever you want." Isn't it interesting that it's [music] kind of simple actually to get away from to get away from the fleshly desires and the things that can really destroy you.

[01:27:18]It's quite easy. It just says well first of all in another part of the scripture it says to just um resist the enemy and he will flee from you. That's always great. If the enemy is just going to like take off and leave you because you've resisted him, that's great. But it says here, walk by the spirit and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. That means just spending a little bit more more time walking in the spirit. If you are struggling with things, if you are struggling with attitudes, if there is a sin that easily besets you, the word of God gives you the antidote. It gives you the fire. It gives you the way in which you are able to fight these horrible things.

[01:28:05]God is a God of order. He is a God who loves you. He is a God who is actually there to give you peace of mind, to give you strength when you don't even know how to get it done. God does know.

[01:28:21]He knows how to give you strength when something is uh is coming against your soul. When there's a bitter fight, some of you there's um you know uh challenges with your finances, there's marital challenges, there's relationship issues, there's pain, there's rejection, all kinds of things.

[01:28:44]And God is a God who never leaves us. He does not forsake us. He's with us in the fire. We do know that Shadrach, Meshach, and Abedneo, when they were tested in the fire, what happened? God in [music] the fire with them. Do you need that kind of hope today? Because you got it.

[01:29:05]It's in the word that he walks down every path. And you know he's really really honoring and his favor is greatly on you when you are walking in holiness and righteousness before him.

[01:29:24]It's kind of a price we have to pay to get all the goods. It's not easy to just [music] have you know God's favor in our lives because it has a requirement.

[01:29:36]The price is that you would walk in purity before him. And I pray that you find a way to do that. I can't believe it's Friday. We will see you next week.

[01:29:46]God bless.

[01:29:49]You know, it's not easy to deliver the truth of what our sick world is doing.

[01:29:53][music] But for some of us, we feel that we have no choice. Because if we are silent about these abominable things, then we are letting evil go unchecked.

[01:30:02]And [music] we cannot do that. For those of you wonderful people who are writing me and are sharing your encouragement. I am deeply [music] grateful. Thank you for all the letters that you've been sending. Thank you for the donations and the support. I found out that in order [music] to speak the truth, you have to become very, very strong. If you would go to my website at www.uralind.tv, you'll [music] find all of the ways that you can contact me. Remember, my friends, all is well. All is well.

[01:30:29]Thanks for joining me.

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