Deconstructing Your Faith - Questions and Answers with the Pearls

Added: 2026-05-24

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[00:00:04]You want to pray for us?

[00:00:05]>> Sure. Dear Lord, thank you so much for today. I pray for our kids that are off on mission field. I pray that you will just protect them as they're flying today. Pray that this time will be a um just a time of fellowship and uh a blessing to those listening in Jesus name. Amen.

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[00:00:24]>> All right. How we all How how's everything looking there, Adam?

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[00:00:28]>> You ready? Ready? Three, two, >> All right. Good morning and welcome back to No Greater Joy podcast. I'm Nathan Pearl. To my left is my mom Debbie. My sister Shalom and my dad Mike. We are excited to be back with you this morning. We are uh all a little sleepdeprived. Shalom and I both had >> Not me. I slept real good.

[00:00:53]>> Yeah, which is normal.

[00:00:56]>> I woke up surprised.

[00:00:58]I'm here.

[00:00:59]>> I'm here. The >> But Shalom and I both had kids go in the mission field this week and so uh yeah, we've had to be up early and send them off which is a blessing but also get some dark circles under our eyes.

[00:01:13]>> Yawning.

[00:01:14]>> Yeah. Did y'all get that? We have two grandkids on the mission field today.

[00:01:19]>> You have three or four? Three?

[00:01:22]>> Three.

[00:01:22]>> Three. I had two kids go.

[00:01:24]>> Oh, okay.

[00:01:25]>> Yeah. And I count Zayn as like half my kid because I fed him so much. So I've got two. One and a half. No, two. Two and a half. I've got to actually get and and Zayn.

[00:01:35]>> Three.

[00:01:36]>> Yeah. Two and a half.

[00:01:37]>> Two and a half. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:01:39]>> Okay. Now we got the math all that.

[00:01:41]>> You can tell we're tired.

[00:01:41]>> Take it away. Okay.

[00:01:44]>> Let's go ahead and jump into the first question. Shalom, you want to read it for us?

[00:01:47]>> I wanted to ask a question regarding the Bibles that have recently come up. This being the Ethiopian Bible and its impact on the Christian community. I would like to know if the Ethiopian Bible is legitimate and could be recognized as cananan.

[00:02:05]Personally, I always believe that the King James Bible was the most accurate and still do. If you can give me your take on said topic, I would much appreciate it.

[00:02:16]>> I wouldn't want a Bible that was most accurate, >> right?

[00:02:19]>> It wasn't the word of God perfectly accurate. I wouldn't want to bother reading it because I might end up believing the wrong thing. Now, I didn't I never even heard of this. So, I looked it up. I asked my friend Google AI.

[00:02:34]>> Oh, Google's not your friend.

[00:02:35]>> Google AI. Yeah. I said, "What is this Ethiopian Bible?" And it says it comes from an ancient Ethiopian language called Gizer. Now, I've been called an old geyser, so I don't know why they would name a language like that. It has 46 books in the Old Testament where the Bible has 39. Has 35 books in the New Testament where the Bible has 27. Now, it has the books that we have in our Bible that are the real word of God, but it also has additional books just like Roman Catholicism has additional books like it has Enoch. If you've read the book of Enoch, which I have, it's a fun reading because it's full of u angogology and devils and superlative, imaginative, sensational themes about angels. And >> you just used all the vocabulary words I know.

[00:03:35]>> I just it was a magnanimous magnitude, preposterous proportions.

[00:03:43]uh and then had the book of Jubilees and had uh his Makabian is pronounced differently and since this old geyser can't speak Geyser I won't try to pronounce it but it's different uh books than in the first and second Macab bees which I've read also uh it is uh totally different and it has a third Mcabes too and it has a book of covenant things like that now the question is have we have We westerners and the rest of the world missed out on these books of the Bible that should be the the word of God that have been hidden in a dark Ethiopian tribe of people whose language is lost.

[00:04:30]It's now a dead language. And someone dug it up and said, "Okay, finally we have the Bible.

[00:04:38]Think not."

[00:04:41]Uh first Peter I mean 2 Peter 1:20 says knowing this first that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

[00:04:51]>> That means no prophet said let me see what does that mean? How should I write that down? What what is God saying there? Okay I I have it I have I think I know what it is. I think I'll write it this way. Said nothing like that is in the word of God. For the prophecy came in old time by the not by the will of man, but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. Now, you've seen movies where spirits take over people and they do things. Okay, it's not quite like that. These guys wrote just like I would write, but they were moved.

[00:05:31]Now, that's not their hand being dictated like some kind of automatic pen like Biden used. This is different. This is God working in their spirit to cause the end result of what they did to be every single word of God. We know that because Jesus referred to those Old Testament writers and called them the word of God and said the scripture cannot be broken. That is there can't be any error can't be any false who had no lost text.

[00:06:04]So Jesus confirmed the 39 books of the Old Testament very clearly and they're all quoted in the New Testament. These other books are not quoted by the authors, the apostles. Now someone said our book of Enoch has a passage that comes from the old book of Enoch. No, it's simply that in the writing of the second book of Enoch uh or in common literature, they came up with a similar phrase. Uh not at all an indication of anything. Now, uh I think that's enough said on that subject.

[00:06:48]A couple things I want to highlight. uh one is the the question was uh its impact on the Christian community.

[00:06:57]>> I I don't guess there is one the >> I hadn't been impacted. I had never heard of it.

[00:07:02]>> Well, the internet has created a phenomenon of stupid in the world where you know the and I'm know I'm going to I'm going to get harassed for it but the flat earth thing is stupid. It's something that is that's nonsensical. It it I lived on an island for years. You know, you walk out and you can see the curvature of the earth. It's it's a stupid it's a stupid thing to do. If you've ever been up in an airplane and flown from one >> only thing more stupid in college, they had a philosophical discussion on whether or not we exist.

[00:07:37]>> Well, that's a pretty old discussion.

[00:07:38]Yeah, I think therefore I am.

[00:07:41]>> Uh or is is truth subjective?

[00:07:44]uh you know the there's these ideas that are that are legit dumb and they get so much airtime because people want to be special. They want to have they want to reject the common and say I'm uncommon because I've accepted this uncommon. And the people like to tear the foundations out from under absolute truth.

[00:08:08]>> There's a human propensity to do that because that foundation is a threat. It does not change. It does not change when I change. It does not vacasillate. It does not give into my moods or temperament. It simply stands firm and it bothers people. Yeah. Yeah. That that makes sense why they would the the the behind it. But the result is you get a thing floating around and there's a text that nobody's ever heard of before in a language nobody speaks and I've seen it 10 times in the last and I'm not on the on the uh social media much. I basically check uh the sermons and things like that, but uh I I've seen this Ethiopian Bible over and over again, and I think it's just the the fad that's happening right now. For the most part, ignore it.

[00:08:56]It's interesting. You said, I believe it's the most accurate. If you want if you want an amusing thing to do, get into a room with a bunch of pastors that are talking and just announce a little bit louder in the crowd, I believe that the Bible is the perfect and inspired word of God, and it's unchanging.

[00:09:10]Everybody will go silent, look at you like how dare you? What? And it's amusing be to me because it is like why do you care if I think that? What why is that a threat to you enjoying the NIV if I think I have an inspired text? And yet it is something that bothers everybody because it's putting a stake in the ground and saying this isn't the best.

[00:09:33]It's the only. It is God's word and it is beyond and above me and I don't have the right to change it, adjust it, to pick a better way to say it. It belongs to God and not to me. And it it rattles folks.

[00:09:47]>> Yeah. Having a perfect Bible is the equivalent of finding a cure to cancer.

[00:09:53]>> It kills a whole lot of industry. Takes away a lot of money.

[00:09:57]>> It does.

[00:09:57]>> Takes away a lot of business. If there's a single pill you could take that cures cancer, this gospel right here cures sin. Preachers don't like it because they like to be philosophers and they like to uh have all the progressive concepts of how to better your life and improve yourself in advance. And they like being needed to interpret the Bible and to tell you what the original Greek says. I studied the original Greek. I studied several of the original Greeks being there's 24 original Greeks and I can tell you right now what you'll get out of the original Greek will not improve on what you can get out of the King James Bible.

[00:10:38]If you listen to uh sermons that where they're using the Greek a lot, they'll come along and they'll say, "Well, the Bible says believe on the Lord Jesus Christ." in the original Greek means and they'll say it means to to ascertain the truth and affirm that in your own spirit. So you mean believe, right? That so all you're doing is taking a thesaurus and getting a list of English words and using those English words and saying the Greek means and your list out of your thesaurus.

[00:11:09]It's still English. You're just using a thesaurus.

[00:11:12]>> Makes you sound so educated. It makes you sound. So, and people stop thinking as soon as you say, "Well, the Greek says," everybody goes, "Uh-huh." And you could you could say whatever you want.

[00:11:21]Well, the Greek says, and everybody will just nod like, "Oh, we know that, too."

[00:11:26]But that aside, the devil's desire for the word of God from Eve hath God surely said. The devil's desire is not to remove the word of God. He can't do it. It's to disparrage it to the point that we consider whether it's right or not.

[00:11:43]Because if if we sit in judgment of the word of God, if we say, well, I have to decide which version is the best, then I am my own authority now. I'm the one deciding, not God. And it's his words are not above me at that point. I heard a a I'm not going to call her a preacher, but a lady uh talking this last week and she said, "We need a third testament." Because she said uh the Bible says some pro problematic things.

[00:12:14]Says that women need to not preach. And and that's just stupid. And so she said, "You need to just tear that out of the Bible." She said, "The Bible is it's the word of God, but it's not the words of God." That their men translated it. and and I thought, well, that's an extraordinary statement of arrogance that I get to determine what's right and what's wrong. And it's a thing that's been passed down by years of doing that.

[00:12:39]So, I tell people, find the scripture, find the English text that you can hold up and say, "This is God's perfect word.

[00:12:47]I believe it word for word and I don't care what text it is because it is my firm belief that if you do that you'll end up in the King James Bible.

[00:12:58]>> Can I throw out a surprise?

[00:12:59]>> Oh, throw a surprise.

[00:13:00]>> Okay. Earlier we were talking about faith and how to build faith in your children. So, we're going to do something. Um, if you share if you loved this podcast, I want you to share it with five people or share it on your social media. And once you've done that, comment in the comment of this podcast shared five times and we're going to pull a drawing um for someone to win. Uh next week we will announce the winner a free book of >> faith more than you think. Hardback cover. Beautiful book, beautifully written, good information.

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[00:13:50]>> Hopefully you're not on the toilet reading it to your kids.

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[00:14:11]Okay, carry on. Shalom.

[00:14:14]>> Could you guys talk about how to deal with a new thing called deconstructing religion? I believe it is the new age thing and I am seeing it in a lot of younger people. I would appreciate any help in how to address this with someone.

[00:14:29]Jock D 1952 entered a French university and became studied philosophy and ended up with he wasn't attacking religion he he was just developing the concept that we need to rethink all of the concepts that we hold whether it's political, religious, social, whatever and look and see what kind of errors are there in this what kind of corruption is there?

[00:15:01]Uh purify our thoughts, purify our activities so that we're we're not victims of tradition, perpetuating things that are stupid. And uh it was it was a good thought you know and uh but today what's happened there's people who are looking for an intellectual way to back out of Christianity looking for an intellectual way to fornicate and feel good about it to take drugs and hate their fellow man or whatever they want to do just to be free from the constraints of divine sovereign dictates. And so there are people using this to say okay I have deconstructed my religious thoughts and I've come to the conclusion that there is no perfect word of God. There is no Bible. There is no Jesus was not resurrected. After all I've looked at the evidence. Three different writers they looked at. And so I have deconstructed and now I'm a I'm an infidel. I'm an atheist. I'm an agnostic. I'm I'm I I have no religion and so that is what is happening on a pretty wide scale. Now uh the different people are driven by different motives.

[00:16:18]Now I looked at the when I first looked at this I thought okay how can I how can I answer that? That's like an attack.

[00:16:25]Okay. It's an attack on Christianity. So we need to answer that. And then I looked at a little more and it dawned on me. I love it. I'm a deconstructor.

[00:16:35]always have been. Jesus was a deconstructor.

[00:16:39]>> What did he do? He came along. He looked at Judaism. He said, "We got to deconstruct this thing. You're teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

[00:16:48]We got to get those commandments of men out of here." He said, "You tithe, mint, rue, and cunning, just down to the tiniest little bit of herbs, you give 10% like this to God." He said, "This you ought to have done, not left the other undone." And so he deconstructed Judaism. And it was so offensive they killed him for it. Martin Luther came along and he deconstructed Catholicism.

[00:17:14]He looked at Catholicism. Catholicism was selling indulgences. And indulgenc is the the the Catholic Church got ready to build new basilica. It's going to cost a fortune. Didn't have the money for it.

[00:17:27]So they said, "Uh, got an idea that a lot of people out here want to fornicate.

[00:17:33]If we could, you know, we don't want to wait. If we wait till they fornicate and and have them pay penance to the church, that could take too long. Let's sell them the right to fornicate ahead of time. It's an indulgence, it's called."

[00:17:49]So they would they would go out and stand on the side of the road to priests and say when the coin in the coffer rings the soul from purgatory does spring.

[00:18:01]Truth. That's truth.

[00:18:03]>> It probably sounded different German.

[00:18:05]>> Yeah, it was it was in German. And so people would say how much it going to cost for two adulteries? No, three.

[00:18:14]Well, that'll be uh 1995.

[00:18:18]Okay. here's your indulgence. So, I got a free ticket to sin. Martin Luther came along. It was a lot worse than that stuff going on. and he deconstructed Catholicism and came up with the doctrine that been the anti-abaptists had been preaching for a thousand years uh actually 1500 years which was justification by faith without the deeds of the law with no priesthood but Jesus no saving church but the organic body of Jesus Christ so yes I'm a deconstructor and what I would uh suggest uh is that you become a deconstructor too. Hey, we could make a little song out of that.

[00:19:03]I'm a deconstructor. You're a deconstructor. Won't you be a deconstructor, too?

[00:19:08]>> Next time you got to take the kids to the airport, obviously.

[00:19:14]>> You shouldn't have this much energy in 80.

[00:19:16]>> All right. First Thessalonians 5:21 says, "Prove all things.

[00:19:23]Hold fast that which is good."

[00:19:24]>> Yeah. Amen. So that means prove it.

[00:19:28]I became a deconstructor concerning the word of God. When I was raised, I was raised on half a dozen different Bibles translation, so-called. When I got old enough, I said they can't all be the word of God. This one, this King James has 12,000 words in the book of Revelation. Exactly. No more, no less.

[00:19:49]One, and I forgot which one. The other had 13,200.

[00:19:52]1,200 more words. The Bible said, "If you add to the words of the prophecy of this book, I'll add to you the things written in it, the judgments. If you take away from the words, I'll take your part out of the book of life and you'll go to hell." So, I said, "Well, I want a Bible that's got exactly the number of words is supposed to have and no more."

[00:20:09]So, I deconstructed what I'd been taught all my life. I went to Bible college and studied Greek. And after I got out, I deconstructed that. So, I spent my whole life looking and deconstructing. And here's what he says here.

[00:20:23]uh 2 Corinthians 13:5, examine yourselves whether you be in the faith. Prove your own selves. You know, we need to deconstruct our own life. Am I a Christian or not? Have I got fake Christianity or have I got the real thing. Know ye not your own selves how that Jesus Christ is in you. Said you need to know that for yourself except you be reprobates, which is a possibility. They're reprobates running around the church preaching the pull pit that don't know God never will. Mark 8:15. And he charged them, saying, "Take heed, beware of the leavenven of the Pharisees and the leavenven of Herod."

[00:20:56]That's the corruption, the false teachings, the false doctrine, the false practices. Beware of it. Jesus was deconstructing the Judaism. Uh, sec 1 Corinthians 5:7, purge out therefore the old leaven that you may be a new lump.

[00:21:12]Acts 17:11, excuse me, they weren't my eggs and bacon. Uh, these were more noble than those.

[00:21:20]That's why Shalom's sitting next to you, not me.

[00:21:32]>> He's deconstructed.

[00:21:33]>> He sounds so learned until he starts laughing and then he's an old cook.

[00:21:39]>> I'm I'm the funniest person I know.

[00:21:43]Okay.

[00:21:44]>> Keeps him young.

[00:21:45]>> He says, "Perch out therefore the old leaven." And then Acts 17:11, these are more noble than those in Thessalonica in that they received the word of God with all readiness of mind and searched the scriptures daily whether those things were so. So the people who heard the Apostle Paul preach deconstructed what he said and reconstructed and said it's the truth. So if you want to deconstruct your Christianity, go right ahead. I'm all for it. Just make sure that when you get through on the other end, you believe the Bible is the word of God. Jesus Christ is God. He died on the cross, shed his blood, was raised again. He's coming back pre-tribulation rapture. And you will have been a successful deconstructor and a reconstructor.

[00:22:28]So I I have a I agree with all that. I I have a different take.

[00:22:33]>> I feel better about that.

[00:22:34]>> Yeah, I'm sure you do. Except for the Luther thing. The reason that they stated they were selling the indulgences was in case you died while you were committing adultery. It's a it's a uh cardinal sin and you'd go to hell. So they were selling it as a safety belt so that you could sin without ever be in danger of hell.

[00:22:54]>> Is that different from what I said?

[00:22:55]>> You said that it took too long after this to get the money in the pot. But not only were they >> didn't that pay ahead of time?

[00:23:02]>> They paid ahead of time. That way they would be >> they would be safe. Well, I think it's worse because they're not saying they're going to do this anyway and they'll pay penance after. They're saying, "Oh, you want to fornicate? You can premeditate that now."

[00:23:16]>> Which is kind of Yes.

[00:23:18]>> Okay. Go ahead.

[00:23:20]>> We're deconstructing your statement.

[00:23:22]>> They uh statement.

[00:23:24]>> So, I've heard this from people before and usually the way that it's used is that someone is raised in a Christian home and they don't like God. They don't like Christianity. They don't believe in God and yet it's their culture. It's extremely difficult to get to a place to where you let go of everything that you are and cast about the sea of of information and try to determine who you are. Now, I've known people that have have, you know, created a thesis that said, "I no longer believe there's a God and I no longer believe I'm responsible and I'm a woman now as a dude." and and the one is directly connected to the other. In order to change the lifestyle, you have to change your faith. I've known people that deconstruct religion where they were raised conservative and um and they they can't get a tattoo, but they want a tattoo. So, they they say, "Well, you know, the Bible doesn't actually have an edict against tattoos, so I can get it." And they go back and forth about it, and finally they get a tattoo. Well, I agree. The Bible doesn't say specifically not to get a tattoo. I wouldn't. I don't think you should. But I get that. Okay. Deconstruction. And then they say, "Well, then I need another tattoo." And then, well, uh, you know, church is not just going to the body of Christ. It could be fishing. And I And so then they go do that. And then a little bit and a little bit. four or five or 10 years down the road, uh, one girl that I knew that did this just married her girlfriend, uh, and, uh, had a beautiful wedding after deconstructing her Christianity over a decade. And it started, I think, with a tattoo.

[00:25:03]>> I say, let them do it. You know, >> it's their heart, right? It's it's them exposing who they always were. I knew another girl that went to college uh, started with a nose ring, I believe. And I I know fine Christian ladies with nose rings. The nose rings aren't fine.

[00:25:20]>> We used to put those on hogs.

[00:25:21]>> Yeah, it helps l them around.

[00:25:22]>> It keeps them. Yeah, you can you can make them do what you want to like that.

[00:25:26]>> I was preaching a sermon one time and I was talking about I was trying to talk about the following the things of the world and I knew my my congregation didn't have septum piercings through the middle. They had So I was talking about how you move from one to the other and then you know it doesn't take long and you have your septum pierced. And I'm like, we used to lead a bull. Millers had a bull that we couldn't control till they put a a ring in its nose and then you could take that 2,000 lb bull and and unbeknownst to me, somebody was visiting and the girl had a and her family came up afterwards and they were like, "That's the greatest thing that's ever happened." Like, we hate it so much and we had so much fun. Uh so um what I'm saying is when you're when someone starts this modern version of deconstructing religion and they start offloading the the things that look Christianes.

[00:26:23]Um a lot of those things aren't particularly bad, but it exposes a heart. It exposes a desire to follow the world and the things of the world. And um I don't I don't think the answer is to say no, you don't need a tattoo. I don't think the answer is to say no, don't get your septum pierced, your nose. I don't think that the point the idea is to say you need to go to church more. I think the thing is do you love Jesus? Do you want to be more like Jesus tomorrow than you were yesterday and uh and preach Christ? Because that's what they're missing. Says go on.

[00:26:59]>> I gotta say this. Uh there's a a movement among women. In fact, there's a really uh very good speaker that's speaking on the subject right now, a lady going to all the ladies meetings.

[00:27:13]And uh her thing is she's telling that the homeschooled generation is coming up and they are in this deconstructing thing and especially females and they love Jesus and they love uh Bible studies and they love meeting together and all the things of uh emotional >> appreciation of God but they want to live the way they want to live. And so they uh they all the things that were they say restricted in the Christian life, the way they were raised and the way they what they did and how they dressed and all the different things.

[00:28:01]They've thrown all that out and doing just exactly what they want to do. But they maintain that I love the Lord just uh much more than you do because you're into works. And so that's a new movement among Christian women uh that are uh going to the women's meetings now. It's a big thing.

[00:28:24]>> That denomination is called the >> nickelatans.

[00:28:27]>> The uh uh Jesus said, "If you love me, keep my commandments." Yeah, it's pretty straightforward. The love of Christ is not a a feeling, it's an action.

[00:28:36]>> Yeah.

[00:28:37]>> Okay. Carry on.

[00:28:39]>> Uh number three. Why is it that I will feel compassion for or the desire to help someone but not the next? Example.

[00:28:48]Uh can see bombs every day, but then all of a sudden I'll see one and I'll be moved to help them in some way.

[00:28:58]>> Oh, what? Bubba says me. My first thought was bums like a butt.

[00:29:04]>> Was what?

[00:29:04]>> I was like, I see bumps every day. I was like, she's changing a lot of diapers.

[00:29:08]>> The British The British. Yeah, you're a mama.

[00:29:11]>> I feel uh often, you know, I'll be uh anywhere at a grocery store or something. And uh you know, all of a sudden it comes to me, this person right here, we've got to get them the gospel.

[00:29:25]And I don't have I can't I can't keep shopping. I'm interrupted. um um start, you know, it bugs me until I know, and I'm sure it's the spirit of God speaking to me and telling me this person needs the gospel now. And u when I was young, I would resist it if I could. But the older I got and the more it happened, the more I don't. In fact, I tell Mike, I said, "We've got to give that person $100." And you know, in times past, he would look at me like, "What?

[00:29:59]And now he just hands me $100, you know, cuz he knows sometimes that's the case.

[00:30:04]I was thinking this morning, it's I didn't read these questions until I got here. I was thinking this morning, I know a man that it he's not like regular man. He's real sensitive and um and and not has a lot he doesn't have a lot of uh confidence. He wouldn't do well at this table. But I know that uh there have been times when he obviously was moved by the spirit of God to know something. And that's the only time that I've ever seen him have total confidence. This is what we need to do.

[00:30:48]And it's it's like rare. Like three times I've known him in in many many years. But some people do have the sensitivity that God's given them. It's I think it's a gift. Don't you, Papa? I think it's a gift.

[00:31:01]>> Yeah. The way that you can tell the difference between whether or not it's uh some psychological connection you have with some past experience or relative or some feeling affinity for this particular person or whether or not it's God is by following that inclination. In other words, help that person. Offer, extend a hand. And if God is in it, you will see that. You will see that God has prepared the ground.

[00:31:29]The ground is ready to receive the seed.

[00:31:32]If not, if it's just a random thought, then you will discern that and know that it's simply a personal thing with you and not from God.

[00:31:40]>> Yeah.

[00:31:42]>> I think a lot >> Go ahead.

[00:31:44]>> A lot of people out there that are u bums are actually fake. They're just out there taking advantage and there are some people that are actually in need.

[00:31:54]>> Yeah, I know. I watch and so you're fulfill that. When I was young, I was preaching on the street and and this guy came up and pulls out a card with all the hand signs on it, you know, and and he writes on the back of it, uh, my my tongue was cut my No, my >> Yeah, my tongue was cut out in No, he said my my tongue and my ears were cut out in Vietnam. And uh, so I thought, here's a veteran that's been a prisoner wars, lost his ears, lost his tongue, can't talk, and he can't he can't hear.

[00:32:28]And so, uh, he said, "I'm hungry." So, I said, "Well, come on. I'll go get you something to eat." So, we're walking through the park and I let him get just a little bit ahead of me. And I said, "Oh."

[00:32:40]He didn't move. I thought, "Well, maybe he is, D." So, we got a little further and I said, "Look, I'm in a hurry. Can I just give you 10 bucks?" Yeah.

[00:32:49]So, I just laughed at him, took him, get him something to eat.

[00:32:53]So yeah, that a lot of times you'll have people that are being deceptive.

[00:32:57]>> I think it's better to air than it's better to go ahead and do what you feel led to do than take a chance and not giving the gospel to somebody. And uh and then missing that opportunity. I have to say there's there's a time in my life where I felt like I really needed to give the gospel to this woman. Uh but she intimidated me and uh every time we drive by her uh store her she had taken on the name Candy. That was her special little name and she had been candy to a lot of men.

[00:33:37]And um and it was just like I felt sorry for her. But she was still I mean she really came across heavy on Mike. I don't think I ever even noticed it. But uh I never gave her the gospel. And about two or three years after we stopped going to that little store, I heard she'd committed suicide. And I knew I had really, really dropped the ball. And so even now about three days ago, we were driving by her store. I say, "God, forgive me. Forgive me.

[00:34:11]That's not good enough."

[00:34:14]So now I if I don't care who it is, I if I feel led to give them the gospel, I make everybody feel bad and uncomfortable, make me feel uncomfortable, I'll do it anyway because I know that that woman's she needed me, you know, she needed me. I was the one person that that could have given her the gospel because everybody looked down on her. I mean, her shirts were always so low and she was, you know, her problem was she was getting old and losing the only thing she had, which was candy. And so, uh, she really needed the gospel. And so, if you feel inclined, don't don't let that pass without giving the gospel to whoever it is, even if they are a fake.

[00:35:04]Romans says as many as are the sons of God are led by the spirit of God. I don't know whether the reason that you are have an uncction to do things a particular way is the spirit of God or something going on in you but the Bible says whatsoever is not a faith is sin.

[00:35:19]If you believe God is directing you to be a blessing um prayerfully and carefully uh be obedient. I've been on both sides of this. I've had people that have um come up and and given me a check or a handful of bills that covered a bill that I had that they didn't know that I had. And it's incredibly humbling to know that that God is taking care of you. It's incredibly faithbuing to know that God has got you. Um, and then on the other side of it, I have been prompted to do something, say something.

[00:35:58]Uh, in particular, I remember one time I I was uh my wife and I were out to eat on her day off and I saw a guy from the church that uh I told my wife, I got to go pray with him. And uh so I she she went to pay the bill and I went over to pray with him and uh he said uh uh did I say something? How'd you know? And it was there was something happening in his life that was at that moment he needed that that encouragement and he needed to be prayed over. And so uh don't don't ignore what God is telling you to do. Be obedient even if you're not 100% sure.

[00:36:40]Good.

[00:36:42]>> Next.

[00:36:43]>> I often engage in conversations with pro-abortionists online and at times they will use a few Old Testament examples to support the idea that God is an evil narcissist and abortionist.

[00:36:56]Specifically, the bitter water ritual in Numbers 5 11-31. The NIV that they insist on using says the bitter water causes miscarriages. So that is God showing biblically abortion is okay.

[00:37:11]They obviously don't really want to get into a theological conversation and typically dismiss anything contrary. But do you have any advice on how to respond to that portion of scripture and the accusations against God that might be effective for planting seeds? I know many people read comments without engaging. So when I am in a conversation, I try to keep those who may read it in mind as well.

[00:37:36]Yeah, you know, it's pretty hard to answer stupid.

[00:37:47]Uh the Bible says, "Answer not a fool, lest thou be a fool with him."

[00:37:51]>> Yep.

[00:37:52]>> And then it says, "Answer a fool, lest he continue in his folly." That's one follows the other. So that's like a dilemma.

[00:38:00]You if you answer them, you're you're being foolish. and if you don't answer them, they'll stay a fool. So, what do you do? Well, that's the point. You're kind of in this stalemate of uh intellectual stalemate that they're referring to. Numbers 5:17. And the priest shall take holy water in an earthn vessel of the dust that is in the floor of the tabernacle the priest shall take and put it in the water.

[00:38:26]And that's when a man thinks his wife has been unfaithful. So he goes to the priest and they pick up dirt off the floor and put it in some holy water and have her drink it. Uh and he charges the woman with an oath of cursing.

[00:38:41]That is she pronounces a curse upon herself if she has been fornicating.

[00:38:49]There's nothing in the passage about abortion.

[00:38:54]the New International Version, other translations are interpretations of what they think the Bible was saying or what they wanted to say. It's not words directly out of the Bible uh out from it's not exactly a translation of the of the original text.

[00:39:11]It's an interpretation all these are.

[00:39:14]And so New International Version got it wrong. Then he says for for she makes this curse upon herself. Uh when the Lord doth make thy thigh to rot and thy belly to swell. So the product of if the curse comes true if she drinks this water then what would happen is it doesn't say she'd have an abortion said her thigh would rot and her belly would swell.

[00:39:40]So that's some kind of a genital disease you know. And when he hath made her drink the water, then it shall come to pass that if she be defiled and have done trespass against her husband, that the water causes the uh causes the curse shall enter into her and become bitter and her belly shall swell and her that and so forth.

[00:40:05]So that is something that God ordained just for the Jewish people in the Old Testament to settle a dispute when a man couldn't prove his wife was unfaithful but thought she was. So he'd take her to the priest and she would pronounce this curse upon herself and God is the one who caused that curse to come about. And so apparently it happened right away.

[00:40:31]her belly would swell up, her thighs would rot, and she would be putrid, which then her husband would have a basis for rejecting her and leaving her, otherwise he had to stay married to her.

[00:40:45]So, I thank God we live in the New Testament era and not in the Old Testament era.

[00:40:53]But that's what God did back then among those people. And that's not a repudiation upon the name of God. It's a statement of how primitive people where adultery and fornication and homosexuality was rampant and people had no sense of morality as we do today where the law of God was a new thing to them and uh they didn't understand good and evil. Uh God exercised extreme means to establish the understanding of morality and righteousness among his people.

[00:41:24]>> It kept the line pure too.

[00:41:26]>> Huh.

[00:41:26]>> It kept the line pure, too.

[00:41:28]>> Yes. that kept the seed from being corrupted with other nationalities.

[00:41:34]>> It it serves another purpose. It was a theocracy that was directed by God. And one of the problems in a patriarchal theocracy is the the isolation of power with a group of men. And if you got a guy like Eli or Eli's sons uh that could that could use their authority inappropriately, there needed to be protections in place.

[00:42:01]in uh Iraq and Syria in the last few years, the uh the uh ISIS would take uh captive young girls and marry them and then defile them and then divorce them and then the next person would marry them and they do it 10 12 times in a night and all they're doing is raping a girl but it's holy because they're marrying and divorcing. What this does is it says if there's a if there's a lack of goodwill between the husband and the wife, she's upset, he's upset, he says, "You're a hooker." She says, "No, I'm not." There's a there's an outside structure that allows for a legal representation of her before God. So, they can go to the temple, get the priest. It's now we're not just having a yelling match. And if she drinks this water and has the curse and he was not right and God shows that he wasn't right, then he has just got an egg on his face socially and it offers a great degree of control. If you are a husband in this time period, uh you don't get to just make accusations and spread her name around the community and she cheated on me and that's not really my son. uh it's a legal way for the wife to have uh uh a right protection >> and it is divine.

[00:43:28]>> So I don't see it as a just as a judgment. It's a in sense it's not a a repudiation of her. It's as much a repudiation of the husband is of her.

[00:43:39]It's a it's a social constraint.

[00:43:42]>> Yeah. That's the way I see it, too. It's a way for a woman to justify herself.

[00:43:46]Okay, let's go. I want to go. I want to prove this thing because a lot of men would be ready to just throw their wives out and this way uh >> and the symbology is the earth and vessel is the body. The holy water is God's spirit inside the body and the impurities that would go in are either expuned or that they are they take root.

[00:44:08]So it's a it's a symbology of the issue they're talking about. It's not an herbal mix.

[00:44:13]>> Yeah.

[00:44:15]Okay. I'm in a woman's Bible study and we're studying the birth of Jesus. I'm having some trouble understanding Isaiah 7. If verses 14 and 16 are referring to Jesus, which I believe they are because Matthew quoted it, how was it a sign to as as as >> Ahaz Jesus wouldn't be born for hundreds of years? Also, can you recommend a study guide or reference for the book of Isaiah? source.

[00:44:46]>> Uh that's a very interesting question.

[00:44:50]Um this Ahaz uh let me find the scripture on that. Uh what what Isaiah she said >> Isaiah 7 >> seven. Okay. Okay. Here it is right here.

[00:45:03]>> Uh God says a prophecy verse eight. He says, "And within three score and five years shall Ephraim be broken." and so forth. And then he says, he said, "Say say here ye, oh house of David." That's important. He's speaking the house of David.

[00:45:22]Uh, is it a small thing you should wear me? Therefore, the Lord himself shall give you a sign. So, here's the sign.

[00:45:29]Uh, he says, uh, a virgin shall conceive and bear a son and shall call his name Emanuel. butter and honey shall he eat for before the child shall not to refuse evil and choose the good of the land that thou horse shall be p for forsaken of both her kings.

[00:45:49]So this prophecy was future because he said that before the child was born uh before the child knew good and evil the land would be forsaken of both of her kings and the land was forsaken of both her kings just two years before the before the birth of Jesus. the Romans came in and removed the ruler of Judea and the land became empty of a king and two years later Jesus Christ is born. So it's definitely a prophecy speaking not just uh to uh the people of that time but speaking to future events to the whole house of Israel. It's the lineage of Ahaz lineage of Israel that goes down to the future.

[00:46:37]Doesn't it say uh there that in 65 years Ephraim will be >> Yeah. 65 years. I just gives it a date.

[00:46:46]>> Be brief.

[00:46:47]>> Yeah. Um so the the backstory here, Ahaz is an evil king and he's down in south of Jerusalem and he just offered his son and probably a couple of daughters on the altar of Bal and he's coming back to Jerusalem. God sent Isaiah in chapter 7 down to the the river, the creek that runs between the upper spring and the lower spring. Isaiah is standing there and God, this is the only time God says specifically to Isaiah, "Take your son with you." So Isaiah and his son meets this king Ahaz Ahaz is coming back from offering his children on the altar to Baal. And the reason he's doing it is because he's afraid of Syria and northern Israel who are both attacking Judah at the time. He's the king of Judah. And so Isaiah starts with Ahaz, would you like a sign, a prophecy for you? And he said, sky's the limit on earth in heaven. You pick a prophecy or a sign that you want to see to show that God's going to deliver Israel from Ephraim, the guy in the north, and from Syria. And Ahaz says,"I don't want a sign from God." And then Isaiah says, "Well, then I'm going to give you a sign from God." And it's a sign for Israel.

[00:48:06]And he gives the sign of the coming of the Messiah. And the point was the rending of the kingdom away from Judah.

[00:48:13]And it was still going to be in the house of David, but but it was going to be rent from Judah and from the nation in the north. The prophecy that follows is for Israel. This is extremely common.

[00:48:26]A few uh chapters later, there is a uh uh Israel is taken off into captivity.

[00:48:34]Her last king, Jotham, is is on the throne. Uh it's not Jotham, it's ho starts with an H, but he's on the throne. And God sends a couple of different prophets. Micah is one of them. Isaiah is one of them. and also uh uh speaks out of the book of chronicles and he says look I have warned you and you have sinned you took Jeroboam and took this and so in his prophecy to the king of the northern Israel that had nothing to do with Jeroboam's line he said you have sinned and he names Jeroboam sin in other words the curse the judgment to Israel was the entire spectrum of the northern tribe all the way back to Jeroboam sin. And it was it was it was all the way through. This is a prophecy of the judgment and restoration of Israel. And Christ is the fulfillment of that prophecy. He is the key of David. Okay. What's interesting in the language here, >> uh if you had a King James Bible, it would get you a long way down the road to understanding.

[00:49:43]Uh he rejects the sign.

[00:49:47]So he said here house of Israel verse 13 verse 14 the Lord himself shall give you a sign. Now if he was talking to Ahaz he would say give thee a sign.

[00:49:58]>> Yeah.

[00:49:59]>> See the the King James Bible the English language cannot differentiate between you and you all.

[00:50:09]That's why southerners have added you all. So we make you plural. There is no plural U in the English language. So the King James translators invented a plurality for you. All the T's are singular. The thine. All the wise are plural. You.

[00:50:32]So when he said the Lord will give you a sign, he's speaking to more than Ahaz.

[00:50:37]He's speaking to the house of Israel.

[00:50:39]>> Right? So, and plus with the hem in the 65 years, it didn't even kick in until after 65 years and almost all those people been dead. So, it was well beyond that when the child would be born whose name would be Emmanuel, which means God with us. A lot more we could say about that, but to to be brief, that sums it up.

[00:51:04]>> Okay. What I want to say is it's a woman's Bible study. When you separate Isaiah uh and try to teach it as if it's by itself, you're going to miss a whole lot of Isaiah was a prophet that's telling what's going to happen. But he had a certain time that he was a prophet and who was king uh of Israel and who was king of Judah. All that makes a difference. So all I got to say is if you want to know about Isaiah, if you want to know about Micah, if you want to know about Joel or any of the other prophets, you got to know about the kings. And if you want to know about the kings, the best place to get that information is the kings of Israel that Nathan's been teaching. What lesson are you on?

[00:51:54]>> 89.

[00:51:55]>> 89. It is the best series I have ever sat through. I've learned so much about why God does things and what prophet is prophesying at the time of what king and all of the different aspects of the sins of Israel and the repentance of Israel and how it it can relate to people's lives. Now, it is the foundation of the Old Testament. And so I would say stay home from your women's Bible study and watch. And you got to watch it in line.

[00:52:32]If you don't, you won't know what's going on. Every once in a while I'm either sick or Mike's sick or I'm helping shalom and children's Bible school and class and I come in, I'm going like, let's see, wonder what? And I have to go back and watch online. But it's online. Adam post that poem and you will not regret that Bible study.

[00:52:55]>> Yeah, I've learned a lot too. I hear things I never thought about when he's teaching this and I regret the different times that I was asleep and you know what he's trying to say is I'm boring something.

[00:53:06]>> No, I'm just saying at my age I had to catch a nap about 10:30 or 11:00.

[00:53:11]>> I was preaching my heart I was preaching my heart out Sunday and I looked down and dad's nose is about touching his belly button.

[00:53:19]I wasn't there to keep him awake.

[00:53:21]>> Just wilted. I'm like, well, >> he's always bumping me like this, keeping me awake, you know.

[00:53:27]>> Now, three Sundays ago, as soon as church got over, he looked over to me and said, "That was a really good message. I didn't fall asleep a single time.

[00:53:37]>> He keeps you humble. He's the thorn in my side." Paul said, "I have a thorn in my being almost 81 years old." Oh, >> by the way, I'm going to be 75 in 3 days and I got a new t-shirt and I'm going to go pick it up tomorrow when we're in Ho and Wall and it's going to say 75.

[00:53:57]>> Why don't you wait and let us hear see it next week.

[00:53:59]>> I want everybody to guess what Mike has put on my t-shirt. He's the one that decided what was going to be on my t-shirt. And I can tell you this, I was worried about it.

[00:54:10]>> If he decided, it's probably his face. I was really worried about it, but it it it's really really sweet. So, I want all you ladies out there to get online kind of that way. I've been >> and tell me what happened. He put on my 75th t-shirt and then next week I'm going to wear it. I wear the purple one and I will make him wear his purple one.

[00:54:33]>> Okay. Carry on. Shalom.

[00:54:35]>> Okay. What habits or routines helped you build a strong foundation of faith in your children?

[00:54:42]Go ahead, Shalom.

[00:54:43]>> Go ahead. Um, I would say from the very first knowing just communicating to my kids constantly when they were really young that God is good and his goodwill is towards them.

[00:55:00]And it to this day, we'll be like, "Oh, we need a pair of new shoes. Let's pray and ask God that we'll see one a pair of and all the way to Goodwill, we'll be praying and asking God. let's find the right pair of shoes and we always do and the little examples of faith being built that um and then on top of that creating a sense of thankfulness that God is looking out for us that God is faithful and then chronologically teaching through the Bible. I went through the Bible chronologically with my kids from the time they were one over and over again and showing them God's faithfulness through scripture towards his people.

[00:55:39]>> Yeah. Deuteronomy 6. And by the way, her kids stay with us for four or five months.

[00:55:46]And one of them is over our house almost every day. Sometime two or three of them. It's because she doesn't feed them enough. And >> they're boys.

[00:55:54]>> I got to say, Roland was at the house yesterday and just a little bit of fried rice left. Leila, her daughter, had already eaten most of the leftovers. And Roland comes in and he starts digging in. And what did you say? I don't remember what you said to him. He said, "It's because Mama Pearl loves me." You know, that is his heart. His heart is thankfulness and uh anything good that comes to him, it's because God loves him. Somebody loves him, and he's so appreciative for that little bitty bit of fried rice.

[00:56:27]>> I highly recommend The Christian Life.

[00:56:31]>> The best people I know are believers. Uh there's just none better in the whole world. It's just it's the ideal human being. Now you say, I know somebody claims to be. Yeah, I do. I know a lot of Christians claim to be that or not.

[00:56:46]But for real Christians, there's nothing better. here says in Deuteronomy 6:16, "And these words which I command thee this day," pretty heavy words there, God speaking to them, "shall be in thine heart, and thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children." Teach them diligently, these words, Bible, unto thy children. Thou shalt talk of them when thou sitest in thine house.

[00:57:14]Thou sh when thou walst by the way when thou liest down and when thou risethest up.

[00:57:21]He said the words I'm giving you should be diligently taught to your children.

[00:57:26]You should speak of them when you're sitting around. You should speak of them when the children are being put to bed at night and when they rise up in the morning. You should speak these words.

[00:57:35]They should be inundated with the words of God. not condemnation, not rebuke, but to worship God. That is to see his worth, exalt him, and show them that their sovereign God loves them and is in control. I I must say, Shalom has done a magnificent job. Shauna has done a magnificent job with her children.

[00:57:59]Rebecca, I don't know. I don't see them enough. They live way out in New Mexico.

[00:58:03]>> Has done a magnificent job.

[00:58:05]>> Yeah. And he's done a great job with his kids. And Gabriel's kids are great, too.

[00:58:10]I hadn't had chance to spend as much time with him, but I'll tell you what, we have some fine 27 very fine grandkids. And it's all because they were raised like this. Deuteronomy 6 through15. Train up a child in the way he should go, and when he's old, he will not depart from it. You know, that'd make a good book.

[00:58:32]>> Real good book. called it to train up a child by Mike and Debbie Pearl and I predict it'll sell over a million copies and be translated into a dozen languages. Wait, that's already happened.

[00:58:44]>> Predict it when you wrote it.

[00:58:45]>> Yeah. No, I when I wrote it, I didn't know what I was going to do with that thousand copies if I'd ever be able to get rid of all of them.

[00:58:53]>> We can keep it in the outhouse if we can't do anything else with it.

[00:58:56]>> I have a couple of things I want to add.

[00:58:58]This is my passion. Uh raising kids that love the Lord. It's my passion. The statistics uh on Christian kids, on pastor's kids, on missionary kids are not great. Um and uh you know, one losing one in four to the world is pretty common. And my two cents is any is too many. I want all of my kids to walk with the Lord.

[00:59:23]>> Uh so it's my zeal and my passion.

[00:59:26]There's two things and I've thought about this a lot. There's two things.

[00:59:28]One is faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God. They need to know the Bible. They need to know it.

[00:59:34]Not memorize pieces of it. They need to know the Bible. They need it to be part of their >> know God through the >> know God through the Bible. It to be part but but the knowledge of what's in the scripture that that so that when you hear something I remember when I was about oh I guess I was seven years old and my Sunday school teacher said something and I'm like and he goes, "What?" I'm go, "That's wrong." And it was it was Mr. David. And and uh he he goes, "What? Why do you say that's wrong?" And I explained it to him. And uh he said, "Well, uh you know, I I don't think." And I go, "No, no, you're wrong." Which was terrible. You shouldn't do that. But I went home and I asked dad because I'd heard dad preaching because we went to Bible study four or five nights a week. And I said, there was this thing he said. And dad was like, "Well, here's my concordance in my Bible." And so, uh, I went through and I prepared a lesson for Mr. David to, which is terrible. I, I'm but I knew the Bible when I was 7, 8, 10 years old.

[01:00:37]Uh, know the words of God. Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the words of God. And the second thing is faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

[01:00:49]Your faith is the evidence of the unseen thing. That's what Shalom's talking about. driving to to get something and let's pray and talk to God. There's uh practical jokes I've seen over the years that are amusing where people are walking on a sidewalk with a bunch of people and they look up, scream and duck, and everybody screams and ducks, you know, cuz they all think that there's something falling cuz that guy thinks so. Uh if you learn the things of God and don't live them, your kids will be the worst kids. Your kids would be better off with agnostic parents that totally ignore than parents that say you'd have to obey your parents because God said so and and turn to their wife and you shut up and get out of my Okay.

[01:01:36]Well, you're not loving your wife, but you're telling them to obey your parents. There's a dissidence here. And what they're learning from you right now is you don't believe the Bible. You only use it as a tool to get your way. And so, uh, they're learning to hate the things of God, letting the the the word of God enrich your life and change you and for you to actually believe God and then teach them the words. And when they're old, they'll not depart. And they'll not depart because it's sweet.

[01:02:06]If you've tasted of the heavenly gift, if you've tasted the sweetness, the honey on your lips, uh, you'll you'll not depart.

[01:02:14]>> Amen. Amen to that. As far as habits and routines, I am always the whole phrase, I am not ashamed of the gospel of Jesus.

[01:02:25]And so it doesn't matter. Every single time we're in the vehicle, I burst out in prayer out loud for whatever reason.

[01:02:32]And the kids do the same.

[01:02:33]>> Burst what?

[01:02:34]>> Out in prayer, like pray like in constant communication. And I do it verbally so that the kids see a constant relationship with God. Singing in the house, bursting out. I had my uh our my niece living with us, Risha, and she's like, "Shalom, you know, you just in the middle of like you'll be and you'll just praise ye the Lord and then you'll just keep on talking just randomly." And I was like, "What are you thinking?" I was like, "I don't know."

[01:03:01]>> But when you like, Nathan, when you love Jesus, your kids are going to be attracted to that. When you have a faith and a thankfulness that God's going to see you through, the kids want to be a part of that.

[01:03:14]>> Yeah. One other thing that we did, this didn't have uh anything to do with building a foundation, but it does have to do with teaching a child to uh speak.

[01:03:26]And Mike taught all of our children to be speakers. And they all are speakers.

[01:03:33]And what he would do is he would make them stand up behind the kitchen sink, not the kitchen sink, but the kitchen counter >> from everybody else.

[01:03:41]>> Yeah. It was a long ways away. And some of the kids couldn't hardly read at all, you know. I mean, they were just starting to learn. I >> was only 16.

[01:03:50]>> 16. They were just starting to learn to read. And he hope for my kids.

[01:03:55]>> He would say, "Hold your head up." He say, "Hold your head up. Speak where Mama Pearl, your mama can hear you." Of course, I'm hard of hearing. Have been always hard of hearing. So, they had to speak very loud and very clearly for me to be able to hear them. and he would stop them and they we would go through uh proverbs every week. And so they would read a verse and he would correct them, make them pronounce the words clearly until they got used to speaking and reading and looking at the whoever their uh audience is. And I think it made all of them good speakers because all of them are very all five are very good speakers and pronounced very clearly. They don't have my southern accent and and I can get words all mixed up because um the hearing so I can get anything that sounds like another word which is sometimes very very amusing to everybody around me. None of them have that problem because they learn to read the word of God with authority and with conviction and with uh a reverence that showed this is different. Uh I know the new boys trying to learn to to preach uh they speak and look at the people but when they get ready to read they got their heads down and they mumble because they haven't learned that. But they will learn it. They'll learn that what they have to say is this important, but what God has to say is a mountain of importance. And so that's what Mike taught them. I appreciate that.

[01:05:35]>> We in reading Proverbs when we were whatever, seven, six, seven, eight years old, we'd go through and read it and then and then talk about what it meant.

[01:05:43]The first time I went to a a church over in Hawaii, the lesson, the thing they were doing was a Wednesday night or Monday night Bible study through Proverbs. And everybody sit around the table and we'd do the same thing I did as a kid. And the first time I went, there was a guy with an amplified Bible, a guy with a new NIV and some else something else.

[01:06:03]>> And they'd go through and they'd read their verse and they'd look up and say, "I don't know what that means."

[01:06:10]>> And then I'd read it in the King James.

[01:06:12]Oh, it was insane how you just you read one of those others and it completely lose the meaning in Proverbs. you just couldn't get it.

[01:06:23]>> Destroyed the poetry, too.

[01:06:24]>> And it just destroyed the >> reader, the rhyme.

[01:06:27]>> And and the difference between cuz cuz often Solomon is going in four or five verses where he's introducing a topic and then he's going through it and he's looking at that topic from three different directions >> and you go through it in the Amplified Bible and they're using words that just don't connect to the verse above. And uh the we got to where when we were sitting around the table, they would have me go last because after I went through the passage, it was over. So everybody would give their two cents. And I'm like, "Guys, I mean, they sell these at Walmart."

[01:07:03]>> I want to say too, when we were going through Proverbs, I would have the three and four and five year olds sitting by me and I would and they would do it too.

[01:07:12]So I'd say, "Give me the Bible." I'd say and and Johle slept with his fathers and they and they buried him in the city of David. In the city of David. So the little ones weren't actually reading. They were just quoting what I said, but I was going along with with my finger. So in a a real practical way, they were learning to read. A lot of times a reader will start out and they'll say, "I I I am am reading, you know, they they they're stuttering." But by reading with them, every time we went to Proverbs, they were getting the full sound of a reader.

[01:08:01]So it was teaching them uh to be ready to stand behind the the se stand behind the counter. Uh and they had two or three years before they were finally able to read without me pointing out each was a slow learner on reading of all the kids. And I remember when he was I don't know seven years old or something >> eight years old.

[01:08:26]>> Eight years old he still couldn't read much. And he came to Deb and said, "I want to learn to read the Bible like daddy." And within a month or so, he'd learned to read.

[01:08:38]>> Yeah. I got the I got the uh regular little books, cat and rat and all that. And he said, "I don't want to learn that baby stuff. I want to read the Bible." And so I turned to Genesis 1 and had him mark all the word God all the way through. So I said, "No, what's this word?" It's God. What's this word?

[01:09:00]God. What's this word? God. I said, 'Then you're a reader. You can read the most important word in the world, and that's God. Now, let's read the rest of this. So the first three or four verses he memorized, but he was getting all of those words, and within three weeks, he was a very, very good reader. It just didn't take any time at all. Just happened.

[01:09:25]>> Yeah. Yeah, he'd had the phonics and all that preparatory stuff and it just it seemed like he didn't want to learn to read until he did want to learn. It just wouldn't take.

[01:09:35]>> He's king personality. You know, I'm going to do it when I get ready. And I thought, well, I'm not going to fight you. You can get you can do it. He was tested that year by the state because they were fixing they were giving us great grief about homeschooling because it was against the law or it wasn't a law established yet. And so they decided to test our children and they didn't give us much time at all. So, Gabriel had just learned to read and I was like close to a nervous breakdown because I knew that what they Gabriel and Rebecca tested would make a difference for all homeschoolers. I mean, it was >> there was no homeschooling yet as such.

[01:10:20]No word.

[01:10:20]>> It was the beginning. I mean, the very beginning. And so, I knew what they tested would make a difference. and he would and Rebecca had learned to read when she was like four years old. So, I knew she would uh ace the thing. And I didn't have any curriculum because there wasn't any homeschool curriculum. There wasn't anything available at all. And so, I hadn't taught them things like anonyms and synonyms or anything, but um >> he was sick.

[01:10:47]>> They went in to get tested and they made it as hard on them as possible in a big empty classroom. wouldn't let me go in with them. One teacher and one student and the teacher looked down at him and of course they didn't intimidate Gabriel. But uh both of them aced it.

[01:11:07]Gabriel really acceeded math because he was really good at math. And Rebecca tested into uh college level. I couldn't believe it. Uh so >> got pretty low standards. it it uh it they that silenced that area of the homeschool debate and and you can thank uh God that he he raised he inspired Gabriel learn how to read when he did because it made a difference for the whole homeschool fight.

[01:11:39]>> Okay.

[01:11:40]>> Okay.

[01:11:40]>> Carry on. Shalom.

[01:11:41]>> We're going to do another one.

[01:11:42]>> Yeah.

[01:11:44]>> All right. Um, someone told me that when the land went dark for three hours during the crucifixion, God's wrath concerning sin came upon the Lord and he suffered pain only God could endure since a just father would only punish to fit the sin and not a title more. Does this mean that the less we sin today, the less Christ had to pay?

[01:12:09]>> I remember that coming up when I was young. some preacher teacher, I don't know if someone was teaching that. And uh it was troubling, you know, uh the idea that if if I sinned, I was causing Christ to suffer more for it. And uh by the time I was 15 or 16, of course, I knew better, but uh that that must be common since I've heard of it as well.

[01:12:36]uh there's a misunderstanding theologically and us evangelists are responsible for it. I think uh we say we abbreviate and say Christ paid for all your sins. He died for your sins. And so we get the idea that like what God did was he took uh 976,327,014 of my sins, took all of Nathan's sins and shalom sins. It took all of these sins of these different people and uh added them up and there so many total sins which is worth so much suffering.

[01:13:16]And so when he died, uh, the wrath of God fell on those sins and they were they were punished on our behalf. And that's not true at all. Uh, when Christ died, let me say it in a radical way, he didn't die for me or you. When he died, he died for God, for the father. When when Jesus died, he died. See, God was predisposed to forgive us. He wanted to.

[01:13:45]the Old Testament, he forgave people.

[01:13:47]God is predisposed to have mercy. It's his nature. So God already had mercy. He already wanted to display grace, had been doing so. He wanted to forgive and he he'd been doing so. He forgave Abraham, forgave David, so forth. But when God forgave David, David's sins were not yet paid for. So God had to save David on credit. had to take his sinful condition and set it aside like this and then write in the books forgiven but the debts not paid. They're just being symbolic here. Uh atonement not yet made accepted but atonement not yet made. So the atonement was made to God.

[01:14:37]When Jesus died on the cross, he was dying to provide the father with a legal basis of doing what he'd already done. The Bible says he is remission for sins that were passed through the forbearance of God. God forebear that is he carried the load of sin himself before Jesus died in order to like he put off the payment like a banker saying it's due I got to repossess but I'm going to put this document aside I'm not going to repossess now I'm going to forgive your loan but it's eventually got to be paid so Jesus comes along and pays to the father he provides a basis for the forgiveness of any and all sins of any and all people at all times, past, present, and future. That's who he died for. So the atonement was made to God, not to the devil, not to us, but to God. So now God can do what he's predisposed to do and had been doing, which is forgive a sinner based on the merit of Jesus Christ.

[01:15:50]So when you sin, you're you're not adding to. And Christ does not did not suffer.

[01:15:57]I remember there was a lot of sermons like that. He did not suffer a worse death than the thieves on either side of him.

[01:16:04]He was in no more pain than the thieves on either side of him. He died a normal natural physical death except that God judicially had laid upon him the consequences, the burden the the legal consequences of our sin. So when he died, he died as if he were the sinner die.

[01:16:30]And I mean, I've been in pain so bad I couldn't speak.

[01:16:35]Uh and Jesus was never in that kind of pain. He suffered, but he was able to say to the thief on the cross, "This day thou shalt be with me in paradise." So it's not like he was being tormented or tortured beyond human existence. It was not the pain that he felt that atoned for sin. It was the shedding of his blood that atoned for sin. Why the shedding of blood? Because life is in the blood. The blood makes an atonement for the soul. Without the shedding of blood, there's no remission. So, it was the shedding of his blood. And when you shed your blood, as as you use lose more and more blood, you become more and more desensitized to the pain. It just makes one almost go to sleep. So, the idea of building up the concept that he suffered for every single sin he suffered a further degree of pain or agony, that's just not true.

[01:17:31]Um, the word of God's good for all doctrine, correction, instruction, reproof and reproof uh instruction, righteousness.

[01:17:40]Someone told me that's that's the issue.

[01:17:43]Don't don't accept doctrine that someone told me. Uh what what does the scripture say? The scripture does not say anything about suffering in particular in the dark. It just doesn't. Um, the best way to describe this is uh the the sacrifice for sin and I think that it comes a lot of it from limited atonement from from Calvin because the idea with limited atonement is that only certain sins are paid for and so it was a list of >> probably trying to sell you something.

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[01:18:24]>> You're talking to him now.

[01:18:25]>> My best friends are doc. My best friends are doctors.

[01:18:29]>> You answered >> uh the the idea that there's a limit to the atonement and that it's only for a certain number of sins for a certain number of people and not that it is for sin of all time. the old covenant, you had a sin offering that was to the individual that was a rep representation of their repentance towards God and their desire to atone for their particular sin. But the Hebrews, the one that's referenced for us is the is the yearly offering that the blood goes before the mercy seat for all of Israel.

[01:19:07]And it didn't matter if there were children that were born before or after or how big Israel was. It was one uh animal that was slain for the sins of Israel for the whole nation for the whole year because it was it was an atonement between God and his people.

[01:19:24]And the atonement of Christ is not to the individual sin but to sin uh altogether. It covers all sin of all time. Not for my sins only but the sins of the whole world.

[01:19:34]>> Okay. They're tired out there. They're tired. Not dad.

[01:19:38]>> Okay, thank you for joining us. We're going to stop with that. Uh, >> can I throw out a surprise?

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