Understanding Mental Health with Kahindo Gacago || Relationship Resonance || 28th May 2026

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[00:00:05]Yes, it is all about mental health and understanding mental health. That is the conversation we are having these uh relationship resonance day 28th day of May 2026. a warm welcome and yes you can be part of the conversation across all our social media platforms because we are live on YouTube on Facebook on Tik Tok so that we can be able to have these very timely conversations so that we can be of help to someone who is crying out there for help and maybe it could be you and I know that also you are looking for that help. So, Hope TV Kenya across all our social media platforms and also you can get us on WhatsApp 07082323 and you can be uh sure uh that our guest will be able to address all the questions that you could be having in as far as uh mental health is concerned.

[00:01:02]And so without further ado, allow us to welcome our guest. He's already in studio uh ready to help us unpack today's conversation. Kahindo Gashago.

[00:01:12]He's coming to us from Outspan Teaching and Referral Hospital.

[00:01:18]Thank you very much and for having me. We've met before in February and Men on record.

[00:01:27]>> Men on record.

[00:01:29]>> We were on record.

[00:01:30]>> We were on [laughter] record and we also on record that you'll come back.

[00:01:34]>> Oh yes, I remember. Here you are.

[00:01:37]>> Thank you very much for having me.

[00:01:38]Awesome.

[00:01:39]>> Awesome. and maybe a brief introduction of yourself and what you do and outspan what you do there as well.

[00:01:48]>> Okay.

[00:01:49]>> So my name is Kahindo Gashago.

[00:01:51]>> I am a clinical psychologist. I am based at Outspan Teaching and Referral Hospital where we treat uh we diagnose treat and help people who are struggling or just with daily stress >> or struggling with mental health illnesses and what to do issues >> and also I also visit our facility outspan serenity center >> where it's the one that had sent us last time. Yeah. where we it's a wellness center for basically substance use disorders and other mental health illnesses where we treat now there as I am an addiction therapist. Oh, that's amazing. And you know, you keep saying the word mental health >> and I think there are many of our viewers who yes, they have heard about it. They probably have an idea about it.

[00:02:43]But would you please define what it means um that statement mental health, mental wellness, mental illness, help us understand this terminologies?

[00:02:52]>> Absolutely.

[00:02:54]>> So mental health is not the absence or the presence of a mental illness. Mental health is basically how we cope, how we think, how we feel about ourselves and how we thrive just with life.

[00:03:11]>> Yeah.

[00:03:12]>> All right. Beautiful.

[00:03:13]>> And and and and when we we were highlighting this earlier and we were talking about when we mentioned mental >> health >> uh when we were growing up people would tell you hospital.

[00:03:27]>> Yes.

[00:03:28]>> Help us demystify that. Yeah. And help us understand.

[00:03:32]>> Very good.

[00:03:33]>> So you don't have to have a mental illness that warrants you to be in a mental facility or you visiting a hospital for the treatment.

[00:03:44]uh mental health or these issues that we have h in the past understood that understood as mental illness would basically be like you being stressed just by the daily stressors and like and like I've said it's the daily how we are able to thrive how you're able to cope how we able to think how we able to respond emotionally and also rationalize so basically that is what mental health is it's not the presence over mental illness. Let's say someone is depressed or anything. But those could be the extreme when now mental health detroates just like physical health. Physical health does not mean you have diabetes or anything >> but it can improve on treatment or it can detroate same as mental health.

[00:04:36]>> Yeah.

[00:04:36]>> Oh, that's good. [clears throat] cuz I think sometimes uh even while referring to somebody with mental illness, you would hear people say a mental health.

[00:04:45][laughter] >> Yeah. And that has continued to sustain the stigma around mental health.

[00:04:52]>> Yeah. There's no proper information. And the question that I'm also wondering is can somebody appear fine you know to to other people even be talking well smiling but struggling internally and what are the telltale signs that whatever we see on the outside is not what is happening on the inside.

[00:05:13]Absolutely. Good question. And this is quite common because uh for mental health, you won't feel the pain.

[00:05:22]>> They you won't see blood.

[00:05:25]If you had a toothache or something like that, you'd rush to the hospital. Or maybe because you been hurt, your knee, you're limping. We would see you or maybe you could send a message, you're not able to report to work today. you're having a really bad h pain somewhere or something like that. But because these things we cannot see, we try to appear quite fine because in the at the end of the day we have to show up. And this is why we say we are not suffering in silence. We are suffering in performance. Like besides you having a heartache, maybe your boss talked to you badly yesterday or maybe you didn't have a really nice time yesterday, yesterday night with your husband, but still you have to show up and you have to carry on whatever you do. So yes, people can still suffer inside and still continue to show up just fine. And now because now we have this culture, the I am fine culture.

[00:06:26]>> How are you doing? I'm fine. I'm okay.

[00:06:29]That kills any space that would have been created for a further engagement into knowing how are you really. Yeah.

[00:06:37]Yeah. Yeah. One misconception that we have mentioned is that when you say mental health and all the first thing that comes to mind, we need to rush this person to a mental institution. What are some of the other now that you have interacted in a vast way in this field other misconceptions that you have come across?

[00:06:57]like uh like we used to see in high schools and primary schools. This is attention seeking >> h this is someone probably just who is weak >> or maybe we see such other misconceptions would be like h they're just lazy >> h they're just not willing to show up to do something and probably this this person is just struggling to even afford to take a shower or even get out of the house but they keep on sending messages requesting maybe they withdrawing they are just isolating but still we cannot seem to understand and we'll see them as people who are underperforming and all that does those are some of the misconceptions especially in the corporate world where someone has to continue to perform >> h in our society it's like that what I've said attention seeking laziness h maybe they want to term it as spiritual it's a c or Maybe >> things like those. Yeah.

[00:08:07]>> All right.

[00:08:08]>> Or maybe when now they have to use substances, you say to nab whatever they dealing with or maybe to hide their pain or to address their pain, we call them drunkards or call them other things. And now we bash them out from our circles.

[00:08:24]Well, and it's good you've mentioned that because what I'm thinking is why do we find it hard as especially the African countries to talk openly about mental wellness?

[00:08:34]>> Why is it so difficult?

[00:08:36]>> First the stigma >> h around just like you'll be termed as yes and then there's the hollow effect once I see you like that >> I cannot see you any different. So people would want to hide themselves.

[00:08:53]So they wouldn't openly talk about what they suffering.

[00:08:58]>> Secondly, when we talking about the issues, these issues, you see, it overwhelms the only part of yourself that is responsible with finding a solution, >> the mind.

[00:09:11]>> So when this is affected, you don't see a a a viable option or possible outcome that would be of benefit to you. So why would I talk about something?

[00:09:26]It's the same way when you admit something your mind fails to go out to find solutions towards it. So we've already seen this as a giant as a monster whatever and this cannot be helped cannot be addressed and this comes with the helplessness and hopelessness that it's one of the key symptoms in let's say depression or this serious mental health illnesses >> thirdly or maybe I would say also is now maybe sometime you've tried to open up to someone but you didn't really get help >> because maybe that person and this is a tendency We have we listen so that we can talk.

[00:10:15]>> You are just cious enough not to interrupt them but actually you're not listening that person. There's a next stage of energy. When you're listening and you're not listening actively the other person can feel your energy is quite off. M >> so sometimes maybe they tried opening up to someone and right after opening to that to someone the that chance was closed or maybe they received a criticism or judgment even as sub as you giving a different opinion to that thing. Sometimes like we said issues are not just to be solved some are just to be shared. Yeah, >> sometimes we try hard and maybe we rush to give solutions or try to fix that other person, >> but it's also another way of because you're trying within to prove that you're a better person or probably you have it figured out. Yeah.

[00:11:14]>> Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you for that. and I'm listening to you and also what you have mentioned earlier in terms of even from our own context African context that we do not want to share what we are going through mentally emotionally and all >> then how how can we if you can help us >> so that now we can be able to from afar we can be able to tell that my friend is not okay my spouse is not okay my child my parent is not okay so what are some of these early >> signs >> signs warning signs that someone is not okay mentally and emotionally so that we can be able even without them actually calling out for help we can actually >> come in and intervene at an early stage.

[00:12:00]>> Exactly.

[00:12:01]>> I'll give h in two ways. Uh one is quite layman. So you wake up in the morning you know what to do for the day. Mhm.

[00:12:11]>> Maybe you pray, you go and brush your teeth, maybe you take a shower, >> you make a cup of coffee, and then you iron your clothes, you dress.

[00:12:23]>> Yes.

[00:12:24]>> You know what means you're going to use to get to your workplace >> and you can do that within the time that you've h maybe planned to use for the preparing and getting to work [clears throat] so that you are at work by 8. M >> then you find this person maybe they don't even know what they going to wear that day and it's not their usual behavior.

[00:12:48]>> It's not their norm. You find they struggling to even wake up. You wake up but you still maybe you slept quite late >> or maybe you struggled to initiate sleep >> but when you wake up in the morning you find you still have h some sleep deficits. you would want to sleep even more or you don't have you just don't have the energy to do something >> they start h bleeding into the other thing.

[00:13:16]>> It bleeds to now taking the shower.

[00:13:18]Maybe you find you've taken a bit longer or maybe you you can just afford a passport because of the time now you have to rush. Maybe you've seen now you have to skip breakfast. You don't even the moment you're getting to the house, you don't know what means of transport you're going to use to get to your workplace.

[00:13:37]>> By getting to work place, you're already late.

[00:13:40]>> You're already feeling inadequate.

[00:13:43]>> You're already feeling h left behind by time >> and by people. So the day rolls on you find you struggle even achieving small things like and then you would say leosina grace leosina grace because you're not doing your tasks with the efficiency that you used to. Then you find you not enjoying the company of your friends. You're not enjoying the work you're doing or maybe you're even struggling to achieve something you achieve with absolute like less time. And then over during the day you find you struggle so much. Now this brings mental exhaustion, brings fatigue. At the end of the day you're already feeling like I need just to get to the house >> because whatever you've been doing has been eating you up or maybe the day has been eating you up. I'm talking about just a normal person >> like the way we've normalized life.

[00:14:42]>> This person goes to the house. If it's a lady, they will just throw their bra somewhere. If it's a man, their socks somewhere and then they just h sit on that maybe cold floor tile because they just want to feel that breeze. they are burning or maybe when they get onto that couch they they cannot tell when they started watching that episode and how far they are because now concentration and attention is slowly h being taken away by whatever the exhaustion the mental exhaustion >> you find now time you you now need to sleep on the couch you've you'll probably miss your supper or probably you now and we know Even the action of preparing knowing what to eat it is selfare it is an art and it's therapeutic but now you have to uh depend on fast food and all that you find now you'll struggle that day >> that goes on and on and on creates a mental loop and that overly h brings overwhelming emotions.

[00:15:49]>> Okay. The other way to see it is when now we start seeing people isolating, people who are known to be outspoken, to be engaging, to be talkative, and to just to be friendly and fun. We find them, they've started over and over.

[00:16:06]They are quiet, they are quiet. We have these gatherings. We meet on Sundays.

[00:16:11]They just sending apologies now and then. They are family gatherings to meet. You find they either come late or maybe they don't even care to come. Such things will find people who are just very irritable. At the slightest provocation, maybe they'll pick a fight, a conflict or just an argument. It's like just a balloon that has just been inflated over time. So at the slightest h sight of a needle, what does it do? It will explode. So it will explode. Maybe you find if it's your wife or two or it's your husband key to heavy maybe they are kicking the kids in the house or things like those.

[00:16:55]>> So over time you get to see these symptoms and you can tell this person may not be doing very well.

[00:17:01]>> Yeah.

[00:17:02]>> Wow. I mean, you know, as you were explaining that, I'm thinking in my mind that's the typical [laughter] >> that's literally what people go through on a daily basis >> and yet they are not and they shouldn't be there.

[00:17:17]>> They shouldn't be there. [laughter] >> That is mental health.

[00:17:20]>> Yeah.

[00:17:21]>> So, I I would love for you to talk about um the power of intentionality in resting in having those moments of reflection, those short naps. Sometimes we feel like they're not necessary and I think sometimes we are drawn by overachieving. We want to do the most.

[00:17:39]We feel like if I do more then I will be valued. But demystify that and why it's important for us to take care of ourselves.

[00:17:47]>> Selfcare >> to take care. This is proactive selfcare. What we do besides now is coping >> like taking that those two shots or having to call someone to go h with that is coping.

[00:18:05]>> Now you're trying to reduce distress.

[00:18:09]>> You're trying to deal with a crisis.

[00:18:12]>> You're trying to manage a crisis or some overwhelm.

[00:18:17]>> Self-care is like long-term investment.

[00:18:20]the way you make sure you have your health insurance or maybe you saved >> bottom up >> as opposed to now where now you have to go and take a soft loan or just a long-term loan.

[00:18:34]>> Now selfcare is long-term investment. It is intentional habits, hydrating, sleep, >> choosing what you want to consume like in terms of information, these things.

[00:18:50]>> H you you provide yourself with cognitive boundaries that not everything gets into you.

[00:18:58]>> Yes.

[00:18:59]>> Not everything happens around dictates your psychological baseline. Not everything that is happening maybe affects you emotionally and maybe let's say in a negative manner.

[00:19:12]>> Selfare means you tending to yourself.

[00:19:16]It's just a psychological maintenance.

[00:19:19]>> The same way you check your vehicle, your car has fuel, has the oil is okay and the water and everything, the tires are okay. That is selfcare. M >> the other one when we don't do that it's like now you have to try to manage or maybe you're trying to balance your your car that has a busted tire up at the highway. Yeah.

[00:19:47]>> That's good.

[00:19:48]I I I have a colleague.

[00:19:50]>> Mhm.

[00:19:51]>> And uh I want to to to join these two questions >> in terms of how you how how how different people express and express or show >> stress, anxiety, burnout and depression.

[00:20:06]>> And this this this uh colleague, allow me even to read the question.

[00:20:12]>> He's tempted. He says, uh, he's trying to look at the selfcare >> and he's tempted. He feels like shouting.

[00:20:20]>> Mhm.

[00:20:21]>> Does that count as selfcare? [laughter] That is screaming.

[00:20:25]>> Oh, coping.

[00:20:27]>> Oh, that's coping. [laughter] >> It's not It's not maintenance.

[00:20:31]>> That is Yeah, that is shortterm.

[00:20:33]>> Yeah. because they are now shouting something they have been something they have been holding in suppressing and now it has to get out of their lungs actually can't help they will scream watch out [laughter] >> maybe it's not the actual scream but actually even that one >> screaming so we also need to recognize >> when people are not just communicating and just saying or just throwing being memes or they are communicating. We can read between the lines. It's like a burning bush. What is the message?

[00:21:10]>> I like to link another to that because I I I don't know how true this is. I just saw it online.

[00:21:17]>> I don't know what they call it. A certain room in town where you pay to go bring things >> like you feel so mad.

[00:21:24]>> So you're going there, you you and you pay.

[00:21:27]>> So you probably take a loan. I don't know. Then you enter in another financial crisis. I don't know. But there's a TV there that can be broken.

[00:21:36]>> So I break a TV.

[00:21:38]>> Yeah. So you go there, you're given a baseball bat and things.

[00:21:42]>> What will you pay for?

[00:21:43]>> The pay for what you are breaking.

[00:21:46]>> Oh, >> so the more things you break, the more >> the more money you pay. [laughter] >> I don't know what they call it. There's a name. I think I look for it. But it's literally something that I saw online.

[00:21:57]>> The more you're stressed, the higher the bill.

[00:22:00]>> Oh yes.

[00:22:01]So I think it's the coping, you know, cuz you can go there and shout and break things >> and sometimes you don't have the money to go there to do that, but you have the TV in your house. Imagine.

[00:22:13]>> Yeah. Or just a kid who is annoying you.

[00:22:16]They are crying each [laughter] each every 10 minutes.

[00:22:20]>> Maybe you might find you're breaking.

[00:22:23]>> Yeah. By that's true. And I think that's why it's important those intentional small things. You look small. You said hydrating, you know, sleeping well and and just ensuring that you're guarding your space in terms of what you're listening >> prevent emotional build up.

[00:22:40]>> Exactly. That's amazing. That's good.

[00:22:43]>> Are men and women affected differently >> when it comes to mental health?

[00:22:48]>> No.

[00:22:49]>> Mhm.

[00:22:50]>> It's just the expression that is different.

[00:22:55]>> They affected the same. If it's depression, the expression would be different like for men because of how we have we are now we tend to suppress emotions or maybe don't show our vulnerability.

[00:23:10]So we'll try to hold it in for long >> and then we'll just explode at some point or maybe you'll find now we have to deal with it maybe with substances with alcohol with women >> with violence >> because it's energy.

[00:23:29]They will pick fights and then they'll get engage into a fight.

[00:23:33]>> But for women they talk more, they share more, they express more. So but that does not mean because now they have different emotional pressures. So they will experience it differently but it's the same mental health issues.

[00:23:50]>> So for men and women [clears throat] >> they will suffer or maybe they will go through this but just the expression might be different.

[00:23:59]>> All right.

[00:24:00]>> All right. Beautiful. We are having this conversation and we did ask a question online and we will come back to sample those many feedback actually a lot of feedback has come in so we will be looking at your comments the question we were asking today is what's the one thing you wish people understood about mental health so just go to hope TV Kenya you can drop down your comments we'll be coming back to look at them but you can also send them on 0708LE2323 Three.

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[00:27:01]Friends of hope, keeping hope alive [music] [music] and the difference between listening and hearing because most people listen but they do not actually hear what the victim is saying. That is just one of the comments that we are receiving. What is that one thing that you wish people understood about mental health? And that is uh uh one of the many comments that we are receiving this morning. Another one saying that we do not stigmatize those who are not mentally okay.

[00:27:42]Instead, we encourage them to seek help because it's okay not to be okay. I love that. And then that no one is immune to mental illness.

[00:27:51]>> Yes.

[00:27:52]>> You know, that is big. That's big >> because you're thinking about other people. No one is immune.

[00:27:56]>> You don't get a vaccine.

[00:27:57]>> You don't [laughter] by you don't.

[00:28:00]>> Yeah, >> that's interesting. And and also echoing that is that everyone can be a victim.

[00:28:07]It's not evil. [clears throat] It's a disease.

[00:28:10]>> But I would love to comment on something. somebody um has commented and uh saying that somebody should go to a certain you know ministry or a pastor or something of the sort >> and dedicate to destroy that sickness and be healed. What would you say to that and the overarching misconceptions around mental wellness and the church as well?

[00:28:32]>> Very good. M >> so uh the church and uh let's say religion not religion >> spirituality can never be in conflict with its mental health >> because uh you exist in the body the mind and the spirit >> so maybe they are just ways people work up their spirituality >> some of them is through religion >> some of them it's other things uh let's say charity service the work you do or something you've let's say meditation >> something things like those >> yes >> so uh we cannot say like church can heal fully mental health >> but yet church provides comfort and warmth or spirituality provides the comfort and the hope and the warmth and the maybe the fellowship that one requires especially when they are struggling with an illness or maybe when they need someone let's say in terms like uh one one has lost a loved one and they are griefing they'll enjoy the comfort the good scriptures and all that because besides this is what probably has raised you you pro probably born in a Christian family so by virtue of birth you are a Christian >> so I believe I was born in a Muslim family I would I would be a Muslim >> if I was born in a Hindu family I would be a Hindu so it's no question of what religion or anything we just look at it like maybe religion is what helps me work towards achieving maybe the aex of my spirituality so spirituality or church can it's not okay for them to be in conflict and also h there needs to be a balance when we spiritualize things, when we need to see them as something and like spiritual and when we need to see them as maybe an illness because this is actual illness.

[00:30:45]>> Yeah.

[00:30:45]>> Yeah. Liz Alma says the one thing that they uh want people to understand is that you don't have to wait until you are on the extreme end to seek help.

[00:30:55]Seek help early. You don't have to fear sharing your story, wondering what the therapist will think about you and your story. The Bible says that there is nothing new under the sun. You should prioritize your mental wellness before thinking of people's opinions.

[00:31:09]>> They really don't matter. And I want you to uh highlight this one by Paul the Entertainer.

[00:31:14]>> One thing is that suicide is real.

[00:31:17]>> This is the most ignored part.

[00:31:19]>> Uh many people who reach this point are usually have been having depression for a very long time. M >> let us step up for our people. Talk to us about that level >> you know of suicide and people who have reached that point and people are even ignoring those test signs. Yeah.

[00:31:37]>> Because uh suicide >> before it's like you died 10 years ago.

[00:31:44]You're just being buried like right now.

[00:31:47]>> To get to that level life is very sacred.

[00:31:51]>> So is death. It's not something that you can just takes a lot of uh trauma, a lot of suffering.

[00:32:04]It takes a lot of many years I would say or a lot of time for you to get to those levels and probably we've been ignoring these signs or we and it shouldn't be a maybe a community responsibility all the time. It's even a personal responsibility. Maybe you've been ignoring these signs.

[00:32:26]>> Maybe you've been okay >> okay okaying your life or maybe dealing with it or maybe suffering.

[00:32:33]>> And sometimes sometimes not all the time people want to be helped.

[00:32:39]>> Sometimes just people just want to be that way >> because probably it feeds h the helplessness all that. But again then there's the issue when someone has been struggling with this maybe because of depression or the suicidal behavior disorder. They are just people who are not depressed but they have this h tendency maybe because they are genetically predisposed >> from their family. There have been cases of people dying by suicide and right now we are not saying committed suicide. we died by suicide because has also been categorized as an illness.

[00:33:20]>> So the same way I' said it takes a lot for you to get there.

[00:33:24]>> So maybe predisposition genetically, behaviorally, you've seen how your uncle maybe alived themsel or maybe how they have dealt with issues in the past maybe by uh taking their own life.

[00:33:40]>> But I would also say it's a very selfish act.

[00:33:44]like [clears throat and cough] the offender.

[00:33:57]So they have a knife. So something like that.

[00:34:07]I have power over it.

[00:34:10]>> So sometimes it's courage. M >> I have power over it, >> but it's just a long-term solution to a temporary problem >> because help is there and there's there's a way out.

[00:34:25]>> The thing is now in depression, you cannot see a possibility of you getting out. It's like being in a dark tunnel and there's no light at the end of that tunnel. you're just walking in that darkness and you don't seem to get to any end or to get to the other end and it's just dark and then there's just a a a crowd on top of your head. So it's more like that. So sometimes it becomes easy to get to those extremes where you feel now I cannot take it anymore. Yeah, >> but the strongest are not the ones who fight who are strong. The strong ones are the ones who fight >> because strong is an attribution to a behavior.

[00:35:14]>> So maybe if you've been struggling, you've been fighting, then you are counted as strong. So it means you possess that power or that strength to get even over that >> issue. That's good. Then I see also another comment uh from Nune Nema fan on uh Facebook page saying it is okay to feel low disappointed. It's okay to fail. It's okay to just allow the low moments of life move through them instead of avoiding them.

[00:35:43]>> He says also I don't know if it's he or she the name is Nune but saying it gets intense sometimes but allow yourself through it don't avoid it. So talk to us about that the whole aspect of not sweeping the feelings under the rug and how to deal them deal with them in a way that is not intrusive.

[00:36:04]>> Okay.

[00:36:05]>> Yeah. So we advocate for allowing emotions or these feelings >> to surface >> naturally >> to pick safely. I mean, find a space. Just go and scream or do whatever you need to do or talk to that person. Let those emotions, those feelings to peak safely and then allow them to subside naturally without you impulsively trying to distract or >> h deal with them. Because when you do that, you realize you cannot run away from your emotions. M >> you'll you'll suppress them and you can even repress them but your body does not forget your mind may your body will not >> forget so you'll feel a bit antsy you're feeling quite fatigued and all that and when you close your door after you get home you realize now these emotions are just looking for the perfect opportunity to hound you'll dress you will eat nice food you'll take yourself out to a nice restaurant. But as soon as you've worn that dress, >> as soon as that meal is done, >> your trauma, all your misery is waiting for you at the at the door.

[00:37:27][clears throat] [laughter] and the emotions. So, it's okay to express emotions, >> uh, to just allow yourself to feel.

[00:37:44]>> Emotions are not your enemy.

[00:37:46]>> They're just messages. Get to learn what is the communication because this is how the mind communicates. We know the language of the spirit.

[00:37:56]the spirit, >> the body, if there was pain, you were hungry, you'd feel the hunger, the thirst, pain, >> but also the mind that you also exist in the mind, the body and the spirit. The mind is through emotions. Why should we now try to distract these emotions? And when we they build up to be something else to be burnout, to be depression, to be s persistent sadness and to be all these things. Yeah. Yeah. There there's there's a a school of thought that uh the young generation today >> are overwhelmed mentally >> as compared to the older generation or the previous generations.

[00:38:44]>> Where do you stand when it comes to that?

[00:38:48]analysis.

[00:38:49]>> Yeah.

[00:38:49]>> First I stand in the new [laughter] generation >> but I don't stand in the vice >> uh of what we are continuing to to sustain >> because I would say like in older generations they were more communist.

[00:39:06]>> They were more social.

[00:39:08]>> They would meet. They would talk. Life was more communist.

[00:39:11]>> Yes.

[00:39:12]>> As opposed to now when it's now capitalistic. I was as I was getting here also in my I would see someone is doing is carrying this maybe they're going to do this and there's no like chatting or anything just just greetings hi and that's done. So we see more isolated people h and more lonely uh people coming up >> and also because now in the wake of h media there's now the pressure >> to fit in >> and to be like someone >> you wake up in the morning you feed on uh maybe you'll get to your ex Twitter and then what you see knows that starts to dictate how you feel about that day.

[00:40:11]>> Yes.

[00:40:14]>> That becomes now your psychological baseline for the day or how you continue or how you continue to feel. No, we are more exposed to information. We are exposed to the world that we don't really have a human experience or human interaction with the world. I mean the people maybe on that other end of the world but we can interact with them but we cannot really >> h get to have that human experience. The capitalism I'm talking about we are competing we are competing who is more beautiful >> who is more handsome >> and this informs the mindset we are competing who is doing well who is achieving this.

[00:40:58]So when you're not able to do that or you're not able to perform at that level, it affects your self-esteem your self worth. So you end up feeling like a victim and over time over time you cannot even confess or admit this what I'm suffering from or going through.

[00:41:16]>> So we find people who are more depressed again and again. And I would say also h it's not it's just a theory I'm trying to find and maybe sometimes it will make reason and maybe uh make a lot of sense.

[00:41:32]I feel like us we were exposed to technology at younger ages and not just technology at complex stuff >> in our developmental ages. Your mom would leave you with a nanny. They would go >> h to work. Yeah, >> the nanny has chores to do. So maybe you have your tablet or your TV and now you have to do things.

[00:42:00]>> Before your 4 years, you're already in kindergarten and now you're being shown how to write to do this. You don't even know how to slide in a in mud.

[00:42:11]>> So you already know how to do an equation or do things. It's okay. But you see over time the brain I feel I have said this as a theory.

[00:42:24]>> I'm trying to see if it's really true or maybe something like that. So over time you find people are having more anxious minds more anxious brains because what happens to your muscle when you use it when it's not fully developed you get fatigued.

[00:42:41]>> So at the age of 20s these people have done whatever they needed to do.

[00:42:46]>> Yes. who what you are doing at 24.

[00:42:49]You're through [snorts] with campass.

[00:42:50]Now you're looking into life and after education now you start thinking of marriage. You find you don't maybe >> wrong timing. Yes, you're there but wrong timing and not biological by just h the systems. So you find people are now having to deal with things that maybe they fast because in growth and all that. Now they have more anxious mind because the brains are quite fatigued and all that.

[00:43:21]And this is the time now they are supposed to be >> dealing with other things. And then now we have to understand also the development of the brain itself. the prefrontal then now the ones responsible with executive functioning develops later in teenagehood it's the one that's able to rationalize even emotions >> make decisions plan problem solve things like those the ones you choose to do the intention >> when these people are being asked to do these things at an earlier age >> they don't have fully the biological capacity to do that.

[00:44:07]>> So it also becomes a problem for them because probably they grow with the inefficiency or feeling like they're inadequate to solve something but it's just they were presented a challenge >> that is not yet their time >> right and I see Kney here saying I'm loving every bit of this can we have more of Mr. Harrison we I didn't have that name. Is it your name? [laughter] >> In the future. Thank you so much Katney for that. And now I'm also thinking of um there's this notion that goes around that uh when you're a Christian the whole conversation about going for therapy even even forget even about just Christians everybody just going for therapy. Some people feel like I am sick. you know it it's something that we are not still very open to talking about. So maybe talk about the importance of seeking professional help when we [clears throat] realize that we are going through a mental breakdown.

[00:45:06]>> Awesome.

[00:45:07]>> So uh we tend to see like therapy is for crazy people.

[00:45:12]>> It's like but it's not really the case. I myself go to therapy.

[00:45:18]>> Yes.

[00:45:19]>> Uh and I'm a therapist.

[00:45:22]Everyone should because this is psychological maintenance as I had earlier said.

[00:45:30]>> Yes.

[00:45:30]>> The same way you go for annual checkups.

[00:45:33]How are your kidneys? How is your liver?

[00:45:35]>> You do the same with your mind.

[00:45:38]>> Yeah.

[00:45:39]>> Therapy is a safe space. There are things you may not share with everyone but you can share them in therapy.

[00:45:45]>> Therapy is conducted ideally by professionals. These are unbiased, >> nonjudgmental and very confidential. So it makes it easier some issues that could be uh feel very extreme and very severe or very difficult to talk about to a friend who might judge you, >> you can share them here.

[00:46:11]>> Yes.

[00:46:12]>> And sometimes it's not the people or the church or the people in church that judge you. It's the the inward feeling you feel the bias you have this person will judge but it's only because you're protecting yourself from being seen in a certain light. It's not the to say that those people will judge you because yes, you can still benefit from help with the help from church or people in church because there are also people who are there who are nonjudgmental who've done counseling who are unbiased and who can really provide safe spaces. But even when you don't even fight that person just talk but also professional help is necessary because now they are you need now to deal with maybe extreme issues or maybe call these people to different levels of action. Challenge them h objectively. If they are receiving that from a parent or from a friend, they may feel like it's criticism and they may not fully take it as >> h to as an action point.

[00:47:28]>> Yeah.

[00:47:28]>> So also therapy you see it's planned.

[00:47:31]It's intention. It's a choice. You're exercising this. You're saying taking yourself to a therapist is an action of I'm going to take care of myself >> because I love myself. There's an inward conditioning to just taking that action.

[00:47:48]It's not just impulsive and just talking. Yeah.

[00:47:54]>> Yeah. As as we bring our conversation to a close this morning, >> what would be your message to someone who is watching us today and they are struggling mentally and emotionally.

[00:48:04]>> Yeah.

[00:48:05]>> Okay. Uh some of these issues are chronic. So it's okay to understand that so that you don't find yourself sleeping to bad habits and to bad emotions or bad h state of health you used to be and then you feel like ah >> you some of these issues you need to understand it can come back again and again just the same way you maintain your sugar your diet your sugar levels your diet you eat well but still You may struggle with diabetes >> the same way these things they these issues may they may recur >> because now you have maybe a vulnerability when there's a crisis we don't expect you or we may not really expect you to just remain okay just like a normally healthier person.

[00:49:03]>> So these people are the ones really encouraged to seek help. uh back to that question is that people will uh I'll urge them or ask to consistently take themselves for this psychological maintenance. It helps not just the mind but the body and the whole functioning.

[00:49:27]Just find someone, talk to someone but even the most basics. Eat well, >> sleep well, >> spend time with yourself, build a relationship with yourself. You realize most young people, most of the young people are strangers to themselves.

[00:49:43]>> Wow.

[00:49:44]>> They always a fugitive on the run because once they get home, they cannot afford a minute with themselves. This is why they'll buy drinks >> in the house because they they want to intoxicate themselves. You like But they can afford that because at least they are running they are not with themselves in that sense.

[00:50:09]>> You'll find people who are overinkers.

[00:50:12]>> I say when you're overthinking you're not with a thinker.

[00:50:16]>> You're with some the thoughts not you're not with your self. Spend time in nature. Talk to yourself. The self-compassion self talk to yourself nicely. Maybe even if you are not validated at childhood, you are not you didn't have really a nice experience, you are not affirmed, do that for yourself. Get a good mirror, get a good bed, do this these nice things for your yourself and you'll be invincible.

[00:50:46]>> Yeah, >> that's a good way to wind it up. And you know just piggy banking on what GI you were sharing during the devotion today all about um you know the seed as little as a mustard seed something so small can make such a huge difference the yeast in the dough uh that little intentionality sometimes can make such a huge difference. So I think that's what I'm picking from you and I pray that our viewers have been able to learn learn quite a lot myself. Um I'm asking myself am I hydrating enough? Am I ensuring that I'm going to bed early enough?

[00:51:22]>> I have >> you know all this GG are you hydrating?

[00:51:27]>> I have I have and I continue >> you continue to hydrate.

[00:51:30]>> I hydrate. [laughter] It's a process.

[00:51:32]>> But thank you. Thank you so much Harrison for helping us with this wonderful conversation. And then maybe you can let the people know how they can connect with you.

[00:51:41]>> Thank you. Thank you. Uh we are in >> Yes.

[00:51:45]>> in Embu in Anuki and in Gati. Okay.

[00:51:49]>> That is outspan serenity centerpan hospital global university outpan embu and nuki. Beautiful. You can get us from all those branches and uh also from our hospital. uh you just need to make a call >> and maybe you can be connected to a therapist even virtually or visit our institutions. Uh our numbers are can be shared in the screen.

[00:52:17]>> Yeah. So you can get us there. Uh we are there fulltime 24 hours >> and you can share the number actually.

[00:52:24]Oh, for the hospital is 0722 >> 69691 0722 69691.

[00:52:34]My number is 0799560 9991. 0799560 9991.

[00:52:42]>> Okay.

[00:52:43]>> 911 [laughter] 911. Yeah, you can call anytime. I'll if I'm not able to pick, just send a text and I'll get back.

[00:52:53]>> Amazing. Mhm. Awesome. Thank you so much. We really appreciate for your time this morning and continue doing the amazing work that you are doing as well.

[00:53:01]And to the viewer this morning, yes, it's okay not to be okay. Go ahead and share whatever you are going through with someone professionals and they will be able to help you as well. Thank you so much. We need to call it a day. But before then, tomorrow is of course Friday. We will be having men on record.

[00:53:19]So join us in the evening uh as we talk everything and everything that touches on us as men. That is tomorrow across all our social media platforms, Hope TV, Hope FM and our digital space. Uh that's from 7:00 p.m. to 8:00 p.m. And also we are planning something on the 19th uh which will be a precursor to the father's day. And so we are planning men's that is conference sort of where we will have men on record on location at Dennis White. We have an audience of men coming with their sons coming with you know uh with their friends male friends be specific male male friends uh as well so that we discuss everything uh in as far as men are concerned. So that will be happening on the 19th of next month June.

[00:54:10]>> Beautiful.

[00:54:10]>> Looking forward to that. [laughter] You were talking. Yeah, we were you were talking. Yeah. So that's what we'll be doing as well.

[00:54:21]>> Okay. Tomorrow on Beyond the Melody, we have Mila. Looking forward to her coming through. It's going to be a beautiful conversation. So tune in, be part of the convo. Thank you so much for tuning in today. My name is Vicious Nudi.

[00:54:34]>> All right. My name is Joishuro and thank you. Uh remember the national prayer breakfast happening at the Safari Park Hotel. Forgiveness and reconciliation that is the theme and speeches are ongoing and so let's see what we are able to do this morning. So it's bye-bye for now. M [music] [music] [laughter] [music] >> inspired by the timeless wisdom of Vedas and the Bhagat Gita. Let us bow our heads in prayer.

[00:55:26]Oh supreme divine source of peace, compassion and truth, we come before you with humility and gratitude.

[00:55:36]We thank you for the gift of life for our beloved nation Kenya and the opportunity to gather together together in prayer as one people and one nation.

[00:55:49]Lord teach us the strength of forgiveness. In the Vic tradition, forgiveness is not weakness. It is the spiritual strength. It is the ability to rise and above anger, revenge, hatred and division and reconcil. The Riga teaches may we look upon one another with eyes of friendship. Rigua 1 verse 89. Oh Lord, remove bitterness and hostility from our hearts. Help us see one another not through the lens of tribe, race, religion or political difference but as the f fellow human beings created with the dignity and purpose. The Bhagat Gita describes the qualities of a noble human being. One who has no hatred towards any being who is friendly and compassionate is dear to the divine. Bhagat Gita chapter 12 verse 13. Today we pray for healing in our nation. Where there is hurt, bring reconciliation.

[00:57:03]Where there is anger, bring understanding.

[00:57:07]Where there is injustice, grant wisdom and courage to correct it through peace and righteousness. Nonviolence, truthfulness, absence of anger, peace and compassion are the qualities of noble soul. Bhagat Gita chapter 16 verse 2. May these values guide our homes, institutions and national life. We pray especially for our youth. Teach them that true strength lies not in violence or revenge but in self-control, wisdom, forgiveness. May they become ambassadors of peace and unity for the future of Kenya. The ancient prayer from the Upernet says, "Lead us from untruth to truth, from darkness to light. May forgiveness and reconciliation bring light to our hearts and healing to our nation. May peace prevail among communities. May peace prevail among nations. May peace prevail with every heart. Om shanti shanti shanti. Thank you God. God bless you all and God bless our beautiful country Kenya abundantly.

[00:58:27]Ashanti Nissana.

[00:58:30][applause] A round of applause again for our police.

[00:58:48]It is yet another time that we call upon the Boonka Fellowship.

[00:58:54]uh I am sure you agree with me that uh they have improved from last year. So as a result of that improvement we are giving them one more time uh so that they can do better next year. So bunga choir by the choir master himself uh honorable Osoro there's an interesting story you know this man he was collected in the streets of Machakos B here and I was just wondering is what the president used to say you know people rise from the dust and even sit with the kings you know this is a very good example of the bottom up approach karibu so Immediately after the bunga fellowship uh uh that practices your excellency you can imagine excellency we have about uh uh three sittings in a year and every Wednesday we meet so we've got so so many songs that we practice we may not sing them all today but you want to kill the monotony of uh people just uh you know speaking but immediately after here we'll need all members of parliament now those who don't practice including the honorable kimmani Shuno and the rest to join us uh for the nonpracticing team.

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