Right and Wrong Don't Come From God

Added: 2026-05-17

[00:00:00][music] [music] >> I just feel like there is an objective.

[00:00:09]I get I guess I could just say objective morality.

[00:00:13]Well, >> I don't think you can get that from God.

[00:00:16]Uh Well, you'd have to because he he would he's unchanging.

[00:00:21]Well, he definitely changes cuz the the Bible has a sequel, but I would [clears throat] just ask I I think this can be I actually did this the other day on some other platform, but uh I think there are just like two questions you can ask that make this argument basically disappear. So, um what is something that is morally wrong or immoral?

[00:00:45]Uh like you was giving you just one example of something? Sure.

[00:00:49]Uh grape. Okay. Does God know that that's wrong?

[00:00:54]Yes.

[00:00:55]Okay.

[00:00:56]Then it doesn't come from God cuz God just knows that it's wrong. Uh If if objective morals are real, then moral facts are real and we can just know what they are. We don't we don't need we don't need God. They don't come from No, I I agree with you that the grape does not come from God because that would be bad and only good things come from God. No, I mean the the the moral statement it's wrong to do this doesn't come from God or he doesn't define it as being wrong cuz he know if he knows that it's wrong, then he's not the one determining it. It's just something he knows.

[00:01:34]>> into free will though.

[00:01:37]How?

[00:01:39]Because God gives us free will to do as pretty much as we want, but it doesn't mean that he agrees with everything. That's why we have heaven or hell because That's not what determining what is right or wrong is. That's just determining behavior.

[00:01:53]Well, it's not really determining behavior.

[00:01:55]>> But you said you said because he knows that it happens that No, no, no. I asked if he knows that it's wrong.

[00:02:02]And if he does know that it's wrong, then it doesn't come from him.

[00:02:09]It's like like a a way simpler example would be does God know that 2 + 2 = 4?

[00:02:14]Yes. Okay. Well, then it doesn't come from God.

[00:02:19]Well, it proves that it doesn't come It doesn't disprove objective morality, but it proves that it doesn't come from God.

[00:02:28]>> [snorts] >> I I agree. Yeah, I agree rape does not come from God. Yes, we agree on that.

[00:02:33]No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying I'm sorry. I'm just not understanding what you're saying.

[00:02:38]whether or not God exists, people would be capable of doing that very wrong thing.

[00:02:45]But you're saying unless God exists, it's not wrong. But that's not the case here because God God knows that it's wrong. So, God God is just simply um understanding that it's wrong rather than being the source uh for the reason why it's wrong or something like that.

[00:03:09]Yeah.

[00:03:10]But if God didn't exist, you know, it would just be Then it would still be wrong if he knows it.

[00:03:17]Well, no. No, cuz cuz that's just your opinion.

[00:03:22]Well, then it's just God's opinion.

[00:03:26]Yes, and God's opinion is objective.

[00:03:30]It's good.

[00:03:32]It's a good is Yeah, but why?

[00:03:34]>> nothing but good.

[00:03:35]Th- Th- I mean that that can't be.

[00:03:39]Well, it can't be objective because damn Daniel Jones tore his achilles his achilles, I think. That [ __ ] sucks.

[00:03:46]But um um that can't be objective because God is a subject.

[00:03:53]Uh Mhm.

[00:03:54]because objective in this case would mean it's stance independent or true in all cases. So Yeah, it doesn't have to >> If God just changes his mind about what's right and wrong, then it's not objective. And he definitely has done that.

[00:04:09]I don't think he's changed his mind about what's right or wrong though.

[00:04:13]Uh could you be killed for working on the Sabbath?

[00:04:19]No.

[00:04:20]Well, that used to be what God said you have to do. So he's definitely changed.

[00:04:26]>> that in the Talmud though?

[00:04:29]Yeah.

[00:04:29]Wasn't it God?

[00:04:31]>> The Talmud's not That's That's uh rabbinic text. That's not even like biblical.

[00:04:38]No no no no. It No, it 100% Okay, so I I mis under I don't think there's anything in the The Talmud?

[00:04:46]Okay, I don't remember I don't remember >> that the the rabbis use to like uh interpret the Bible, interpret scripture.

[00:04:52]>> Um Okay, maybe you're right. So No, it's not just in the Talmud then. Um It It's in the Bible. Like I don't remember which if it's Leviticus or which book it is, but Okay, probably >> Well, I mean honor the Sabbath is in the the Decalogue appears three different times and honoring the Sabbath it is in each one of them.

[00:05:17]But um No, the like And then the guy that gets punished with death for disobeying the Sabbath, that specific story is in I don't know if it's in Leviticus or or what. I don't have that memorized.

[00:05:30]>> Yeah. But so no, it's it's not it's not extra biblical.

[00:05:35]Okay.

[00:05:37]Um I don't know. I I I don't think that is God changing his mind.

[00:05:47]Well, he literally Did morality include prohibitions?

[00:05:53]Um and I mean, there's a question as to whether or not morality includes punishments or not. I would say that is I mean, I don't know. I would I would say that it probably does.

[00:06:08]Um even if the death penalty for disobeying something like not honoring the Sabbath goes away. Um if there's no punishment for it, then it isn't wrong anymore. Like it like if there's literally no I mean, there's if there's no prohibition on it, then the moral stance of doing this thing has has disappeared.

[00:06:33]And Christianity's just done this in the weirdest way. They've They've decided, well, we go around telling everybody that the 10 Commandments is like that that's the highest echelon of morality ever, or you could form a perfect society just based off of these things. And it's like, wait a minute, but none of you Christians think that you need to honor the Sabbath, or virtually none of them.

[00:06:58]It's like, correct. But that's one of the 10. Correct. Okay, what about murder? No, I still don't think you should murder. What? So, there's just very weird uh cherry-picking, I guess we could call it.

[00:07:13]With this I guess, yeah, but um you know, these were these rules that were given in old Mosaic laws for for them to follow back then. We still have We still need to abide by the law today.

[00:07:28]But that's not what's going to get us into heaven at the end of the day.

[00:07:32]We believe that you know, putting our faith and trust in Jesus is what gets us into heaven.

[00:07:37]Because at the end of the day, none of us are are going to be perfect. If you've already committed a sin, it's late.

[00:07:43]>> This version >> of Christianity is by far the weirdest because How though? But because Because there's no such thing as morality in this view.

[00:07:51]You could do you could >> Because you can do you can do any kind of sin you can imagine, but as long as you have faith in Jesus, then you go to heaven.

[00:08:03]That's the most welcoming religion, man. Anybody can get into it.

[00:08:07]It's just Then Nobody's perfect because Yeah, then don't quarrel about right or wrong.

[00:08:13]I'm just saying if humans came from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?

[00:08:18]You can't have an atmosphere next to a vacuum. The Big Bang violates the second law of thermodynamics. Everything that's created requires a creator. Show me curvature. There are no missing links.

[00:08:27]Evolution has never been observed. The Earth is only 6,000 years old.

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