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[00:00:00]When, the three men of God came to visit Abraham and Sarah and prophesied about their son, then that was possibly, you know, that the son that I'm doing, that that would be the Holy Trinity coming to >> That's that's the difficulty when someone believes thousands of years later in a trinity and then he starts reading the Old Testament says possibly.

[00:00:29]But if Abraham is the friend of God >> Absolutely, yeah.

[00:00:33]>> And we believe that he never said about a triune God, he never worshipped a triune God.

[00:00:40]And the same with Moses the same with Noah the same with Adam David, Solomon and even Jesus himself, we don't know that he believes in a triune God.

[00:00:56]>> Okay.

[00:00:58]>> Why should I believe in it? I believe >> But there were times, I mean, if you think about if you remember, there were many different times in the Old Testament when the Holy Spirit came. So, for example, when Samson was called, yeah, and he was called by the Philistines and he was captured, the Holy Spirit came on him and that's how he had the strength to pull the temple down. And that's when he had the strength to build the ropes, you know, because the Holy Spirit came down. So, that's part of the Holy Trinity.

[00:01:28]>> But the the difficulty is that those people who wrote the Old Testament, who read the Old Testament, who practiced the Old Testament they believed the Holy Spirit was the power the presence of God.

[00:01:45]>> Absolutely, yeah.

[00:01:46]>> They ne- they never believed it was a separate person.

[00:01:50]>> But it's not separate.

[00:01:51]>> A distinct a distinct person.

[00:01:53]>> Yeah, but but >> They give it personhood is is a Christian idea.

[00:01:57]>> Yeah, you've got God the Father, God the Son, God the Spirit. Three ones. And yet they are three individuals but blended into one God.

[00:02:05]>> Yeah, but I'm saying but I'm saying that the people who read the Old Testament, they like for example when you talk about the the knowledge of God, >> Yeah, yeah.

[00:02:13]>> the mercy of God, the power of God, >> Yeah.

[00:02:16]>> they understood the spirit of God like this. They didn't understand it was a distinct person. They understood it was the power of God, the presence of God, the help of God. It was Christianity who made it into a distinct person.

[00:02:29]>> Did Jesus My question is did Jesus practice this Holy Trinity?

[00:02:33]He was a But in the Bible he worshiped only the one God.

[00:02:38]>> Right.

[00:02:39]>> He worshiped God but if you look if you look in the New Testament where it says the Holy Spirit the Holy Spirit when he was baptized, yeah, the Holy Spirit came down from above and the Holy Spirit was with Jesus throughout his >> Yeah, I I I think I think the confusion is the Holy Spirit >> confusion for me cuz >> No problem.

[00:03:00]>> [laughter] >> But the the the difficulty is when you make the Holy Spirit a separate person and you make it a God or part of God. Like for example, when Jesus was asked what is the most important commandment?

[00:03:15]>> Love your God. Love the Lord your God your Father and love your neighbor as yourself.

[00:03:21]>> It's very it's very interesting when when the Christians say this.

[00:03:25]When Jesus was asked what the most important commandment was, he said, "Hear, oh Israel, the Lord our God is one Lord."

[00:03:35]And this is also attributed to Moses that he said, "Hear, oh Israel, the Lord our God is one Lord." So when they say when they say our God, it shows that Jesus has a God, Moses has a God, and they always believed this God was one.

[00:03:49]If Jesus wanted to say that God is triune and we are expected to believe in this, then I think Jesus would have made it very clear. He wouldn't He wouldn't wait for Christians to interpret that.

[00:04:02]>> But but look at >> Yes.

[00:04:05]>> Look at Acts and then look If you look at the book of Acts and you look about when Jesus ascended to heaven and Jesus ascended to heaven, he he said, "You wait in Jerusalem for the Holy Spirit." And he said more than once, not just in the book of Acts. But when I go, I'm going to leave the Holy Spirit to you and he will be your comforter.

[00:04:29]You know, you know that he convicts us of sin, comforts us when you when you're wrong.

[00:04:36]>> Yeah.

[00:04:38]You know, Jesus also, according to John chapter 14 and 16, he also said something else about another comforter who will come.

[00:04:48]He said, "It is expedient for you for you that I go because because if I do not go, he will not come."

[00:04:57]In one place he says, "When I go, I will send him to you."

[00:05:00]In another place he says, "When I go, I will ask the Father and he will send him to you."

[00:05:06]So when Jesus says, "I have to go because if I do not go, he will not come."

[00:05:11]The Holy Spirit was already there in the time of Jesus and before Jesus.

[00:05:15]So when Jesus says, "I'm going to send another comforter to you and if I do not go, he will not come."

[00:05:24]It It It cannot It cannot be the Holy Spirit.

[00:05:27]Al- Also, sorry.

[00:05:30]Can I Can I just finish two more points?

[00:05:32]And And And according to the words of Jesus, he said that "I have many things yet to tell you, but you cannot bear them yet.

[00:05:44]When he, the Holy Spirit, the spirit of Truth comes, he will inform you of those things.

[00:05:52]And lastly, he said that this this one who will come will not speak in his own name, but he will speak whatever he hears, he will he will say.

[00:06:02]So that one who's going to come, and he said he will tell you of things yet to come.

[00:06:10]So so So I ask you, what did the Holy Spirit teach you which Jesus never taught you? And when it says that the that Holy Spirit will will inform you of things to come, what did the Holy Spirit inform you about things which are going to take place which Jesus never told you?

[00:07:14]No, but very specifically, I have many things yet to tell you, but you cannot bear them yet. But when he, the Spirit of Truth, or the Holy Spirit comes, he will inform you of those things.

[00:07:27]So I would say, based on the clear reading of the wording, if if the Holy Spirit came with in the time of the the day of the Pentecost, to the disciples, you you would have to tell me the things he has informed you of which Jesus never told you.

[00:07:47]>> Right. So, Jesus said, "I am the good shepherd. I'm the way, the truth, and the life."

[00:07:53]>> Is he a lamb or a shepherd? Or both?

[00:07:55]>> Hey, lamb of God, I'm a shepherd.

[00:07:58]So, >> Isn't that a contradiction?

[00:08:00]>> No.

[00:08:01]No, no, no.

[00:08:01]>> Okay, carry on.

[00:08:02]>> No, no, no, because the lamb of the God signifies the same Christ.

[00:08:06]>> Yeah.

[00:08:06]>> Because you know in Jewish in Jewish customs in Israeli customs, you had to have a lamb as a sacrifice. And then in the time of Moses, you know when they they left they left Egypt, they they passed over land. So, he was the perfect sacrifice to pass over land.

[00:08:24]>> Do you know Do you know he's only called the lamb of God in the last gospel, John?

[00:08:29]>> No, it's in the No, no, no, there's more than one gospel.

[00:08:33]>> Mark, no, no, no, but Mark in the gospels, Mark, Luke, and Matthew, they don't know Jesus to be the lamb of God.

[00:08:40]Only John talks about it.

[00:08:42]Anyway, >> I would need to clarify that. I I I'm sure it's in more than >> But I I want to know specific things which the Holy Spirit has taught you which Jesus never told you. Because he said to he said, "I I I am the >> I will give you a perfect example. Okay?

[00:08:58]I'll give you a truly perfect example.

[00:09:01]On 29th of December, 2022, I was coming up from Kent to a hospital appointment. I was very close to here, Ebsfleet.

[00:09:11]Um there'd been the the London the Thames tunnel flooding. So, there'd been a It's flooding. All the trains were up there.

[00:09:20]So, we were I was trying to make my way to the hospital. I was usually late.

[00:09:25]And I was looking just on the I was on the bus just looking in the sky. And the Holy Spirit said to me, I saw a beautiful cloud.

[00:09:36]It got dark cloud the you know the the sun poking through the edge. You know the Holy Spirit clearly said to me, "Every cloud has a silver lining." And I was like, "Holy Spirit, thank you. What does that mean?" He just said, "Don't be afraid of the cloud."

[00:09:51]And the next day I had a phone call from my pastor that my husband died.

[00:09:59]And in that season person who became Holy Spirit gave me so much comfort and strength and guidance.

[00:10:12]And Jude was just so strong. You know, she was 55. I was 1 year younger.

[00:10:20]And he just walked me through that grieving season.

[00:10:27]Guided me and strengthened me so powerfully.

[00:10:31]Every Please let me finish. I'll I'll respect you. Please respect me.

[00:10:34]>> Yeah, yeah, that's right.

[00:10:35]>> And and he just walked with me in such a deep, profound, healing way.

[00:10:43]And that is just unquantifiable. So, I'm afraid personally I cannot accept the Holy Spirit doesn't talk to people today because I know in the natural without the Holy Spirit >> Okay. So, madam.

[00:11:01]>> I'm listening.

[00:11:03]>> When So, when Jesus said according to the Gospels of Mark Matthew I'm sorry, John 14 and 16 he's saying to the disciples, "I have many things yet to inform you.

[00:11:15]>> Yeah.

[00:11:16]>> But you cannot bear them yet.

[00:11:18]>> Yeah, I know. The problem with that >> When when the Holy Spirit comes, he will inform you of those things." You think that Jesus was talking about one of the things >> guidance of the Holy Spirit.

[00:11:28]I I It's a day-to-day guidance and also the end time.

[00:11:32]>> The problem with this is the disciples of Jesus, the people before Jesus, the prophets before Jesus were also guided by the Holy Spirit.

[00:11:43]But Jesus is telling you, I have many things yet to tell you.

[00:11:49]But you cannot bear them yet.

[00:11:51]But when But when he when he comes, he will inform you. So, I want to know, not personal experience, I want to know that if you believe it's the Holy Spirit who came on the Pentecost, what did he teach the five And he said, "And also it said, he will inform you of what what is to come."

[00:12:09]>> Okay. So, with number one, >> Yes.

[00:12:11]>> that I would want to read the scripture that because I feel that it's been taken out of context.

[00:12:18]I think that the Holy Spirit is here and it did come because the gifts of the Holy Spirit weren't with people previously.

[00:12:26]>> Yeah.

[00:12:26]>> Uh and that is the issue.

[00:12:28]So, the previous Now, you could ask the Holy Spirit but every anybody asked >> Yeah.

[00:12:34]>> but that did not happen at the Pentecost.

[00:12:37]SO, THAT'S THAT'S THE pivotal point for me.

[00:12:40]>> Uh >> And the Holy Spirit, he does guide us.

[00:12:43]And I think you're taking the bit about not bearing things in out of context. I'm actually a theology student.

[00:12:52]>> Yeah.

[00:12:52]>> I would love to have >> Yeah.

[00:12:54]>> a generic email address where I can get back to you. I want to read up on what you're talking about to give you >> actual academic >> Okay.

[00:13:01]>> academic answers.

[00:13:02]>> So, John 16, >> Yeah, let me just get my >> Yeah.

[00:13:30]verse 12.

[00:13:32]This is the NIV translation.

[00:13:35]I have much more to say to you.

[00:13:52]Let me Let me read both the verses to you, so you know that I'm not making it up.

[00:14:00]So, John's John 16:12 says, "I have much more to say to you.

[00:14:07]More than now you can more than you can bear now.

[00:14:12]But when he, the spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth.

[00:14:17]He will not speak on his own.

[00:14:19]He will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come."

[00:14:25]So, me, how I understand this is another messenger is going to come, another prophet is going to come.

[00:14:38]Let me finish. Let me finish. Let me finish.

[00:14:41]Thank you, ma'am. Sorry, madam.

[00:14:45]A prophet is going to come because he will not speak of his own, but he will speak what he hears. So, that that person is going to receive revelation, and he's going to do two things according to this. He's going to tell you what is yet to come, and he's going to tell you things which Jesus knows, but he understands you are not ready to bear them yet.

[00:15:06]So, me, I understand when the when the another prophet comes, he's going to inform you of what will take place. He will inform you of the day of the signs of the day of judgment.

[00:15:18]He will inform you of those things which will take place in the future. He will inform you of the paradise, of the hellfire, of the day of judgement more than Jesus informed you, more than Moses. Because Jesus said according to this, he will tell you what is yet to come.

[00:15:33]And also he will come with new with new laws which you haven't heard before cuz Jesus says that I I have things to tell you that you cannot bear them yet. But when he comes, he will inform you of all things. So I understand it can't be the Holy Spirit you're talking of because the Holy Spirit was already there in the time of Jesus.

[00:15:53]And the Holy Spirit hasn't informed you of what is going to take place and he hasn't and he hasn't in and he hasn't informed you of things which have which you are not ready to bear yet.

[00:16:06]Yes.

[00:16:10]Mine's a clear reading, yours is an interpretation.

[00:16:17]So so tell so tell me what that what he told you when Jesus said I have many things yet to tell you.

[00:16:28]That was already there.

[00:16:30]That was already there.

[00:16:33]That's an interpretation. Jesus never Jesus never said Jesus never said it's here but when he comes it will be in its fullness. He said I have many things yet to tell you but you cannot bear them yet. But when he comes, he will inform you and he will inform you of what is going to happen.

[00:16:51]The prophet Muhammad informed about the signs of the day of judgement, about the antichrist, about the return of Jesus, what will happen on the day of judgement, what will happen But what's the authority of the book of Revelation if you don't know who wrote it or you don't have evidence of it being written.

[00:17:19]Who is John?

[00:17:25]No.

[00:17:28]It doesn't say that either. This is just because it has John, it doesn't mean it's that John.

[00:17:46]Authorized by who?

[00:17:49]Not by Jesus, not by Moses, not by Abraham, not not by God.

[00:17:58]They were messengers though, they received revelation.

[00:18:06]All the believers are son of God according to you.

[00:18:11]Blessed >> [laughter] >> Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be the sons of God.

[00:18:15]You You believe that Jesus taught how to seek forgiveness, Our Father who art in heaven. You believe that Jesus taught, I'm going to my father and your father. So, the same father.

[00:18:27]My My God and your God, but the same way he's the father of Jesus.

[00:18:31]And neither is Jesus.

[00:18:33]How can you Can I ask one very quick very quick question?

[00:18:39]Very simple.

[00:18:41]Did Jesus have a God?

[00:18:56]So, do you believe that God had a God?

[00:19:01]But if you believe Jesus is God and you believe the father is God which no prophet taught.

[00:19:13]Can I Can I just leave it there?

[00:19:15]>> simple?

[00:19:15]>> Yeah.

[00:19:16]>> God is one.

[00:19:17]He has no partners, no equals.

[00:19:20]All of the messengers Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Muhammad, peace be upon them, came with the same way of life.

[00:19:27]Submit yourself to God and worship God alone.

[00:19:32]>> I will not deny Jesus is my Lord.

[00:19:35]He is my Lord and that's that, but listen >> I I believe he will deny you on the day of judgment.

[00:19:39]>> I absolutely believe he will not.

[00:19:42]>> [laughter] >> We will see.

[00:19:43]>> I believe he will not because he says you stand up for me, I stand up for you and I I will not >> Did he really say Did he really say that? The authenticity of those books are questionable.

[00:19:55]So when you have a final revelation, okay, why you need to look into the previous scriptures?

[00:20:01]>> And he will not deny me. Jesus will not deny me because he is my savior and my savior will not deny me.

[00:20:07]And he will just not have >> [laughter] >> Anyway, listen.

[00:20:12]>> Madam, thank you for your time.

[00:20:15]No problem.

[00:20:33]>> Have a lovely evening.

[00:20:34]>> Thank you, madam. Thank you for your time.

[00:20:39]Who will you pray to? Who will you pray to?

[00:20:43]Only pray to the one Jesus prayed to, just one, not three.

[00:20:50]>> Thank you.

[00:20:57]>> Okay.

[00:20:58]Thank you, madam. Thank you. Thank you.

[00:21:00]Bye-bye.

[00:21:04]Alhamdulillah, may Allah guide us and her.