In criminal trials, when evidence is destroyed or lost, defendants may have grounds to file due process claims challenging the fairness of the proceedings. Courts must determine whether the destroyed evidence would have been exculpatory and whether its destruction violated the defendant's constitutional rights. The analysis involves considering whether there is a reasonable probability that the evidence would have been favorable to the defendant and whether the destruction was intentional or negligent. This case study illustrates how evidence destruction can significantly impact a defendant's ability to mount an effective defense, particularly in cases where the evidence could potentially exonerate the accused.
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Tyler Robinson Court Updates and Discussion w/ Adam, Matt, and Eco.Added:
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What's up? What's up, guys? Um, I don't think I need to introduce anybody here.
So, um I hope everybody's having a good evening. Uh looking forward to a wild weekend for some of y'all folks.
Not so much for me, but >> [laughter] >> um anyway, uh yeah, glad to see in the chat. Um y'all just keep on piling in there.
Um guys, uh who are we starting with?
Uh it it it doesn't matter to me. Do we go Do we want to start out sharing video or do we want to start um you know, start with the um It it don't make me any difference. We can start wherever y'all want. Uh honestly, I'd love to start with the Esquire over there. There we go. There we go. Yeah. What he say? What he say?
the he's That's the He's the resident attorney.
He's the attorney.
Yep. Yep. Yep.
Um Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, um would you want to give just a like a real quick recap on the whole uh trial thing for anything that we may have missed the other day? Any Any high points? Anything?
Um I'm assuming you watched it, didn't you, Echo?
I I did. I'm I'm curious with the lawyer thing. Yeah. That's kind of what I That's That's kind of what I was thinking. Yeah. Yeah. Great judge. You I don't think the judge uh I don't think the judge came to any conclusions and won't until probably the 1st, right? Um No. No, the judge didn't rule on anything. He took um everything Well, pretty much under advisement. Obviously, the second part of the hearing the other day was about um was Hold on. Was it second part?
The second part was about the media. And yeah, so he tabled that. He's taking that under advisement. And then the first part talking about the prosecutor's contempt, uh obviously, they're asking for an evidentiary evidentiary hearing uh on that issue.
And so, you know, I guess he took that under advisement. He'll he'll announce whether they're going to proceed with with that or not also uh I think at the next Oh, as a matter of fact, he's going to do it over WebEx.
Uh he says he's going to deliver those orders over WebEx, I believe, uh the 1st. Is that right? Mhm. That sounds right. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. I mean, I I liked it I I for one time I felt that judge was actually pretty receptive to the defense's arguments in regard to the contempt issue.
Um That's what That's what the biggest one of the biggest takeaways from that, I guess, is, you know, they're one of the Yeah. Yeah, that's just my question, though, Greg.
Uh-huh. Go ahead. We Have you decided yet if the defense is genuinely trying to help Tyler or do they have ulterior motives and they're just pretending to help Tyler?
>> That's a good question and I said this the other day. I mean, I'm starting because I heard some things in this last hearing related to the private motion that they filed that explained a bit better for me exactly why they did that.
So, I'm I'm starting to think that they're actually working for him, but again, that doesn't resolve the potential did they hire these attorneys do the death hire, you know, for specific reason not that they're like all on board, right?
And again, >> Somebody can always Yeah, somebody can always look you up and see what your weaknesses are and stuff like that, you know.
>> they control the purse strings. They control and and I don't know if y'all heard Baron on Zach's talk talked about this is going to be a battle of experts, right? Um, if it goes to trial, I tend to agree and hey, in a death penalty case like this with the county, the state funding it, well, they get to approve or disapprove of whether certain experts get retained or not. Right. I mean, look, if they don't if if the if the prosecution don't come up with some kind of underlying, you know, uh, evidence on on different things like the, you know, the, um, the DNA and the the the bullet forensics or, you know, whatever you want to consider it, but either way, all that kind of stuff, I mean, um, it'll come down to the to the experts. That's about all they'll have to go on.
>> [laughter] >> Yeah, I mean, again, you know, unfortunately, >> still have not got that stuff. That's >> Yeah, I don't think so and unfortunately, I don't think we're going to I mean, depending on how judge rules on the 1102 constitutional. Oh, by the way, he he did signify, he acknowledged that the defense had filed that motion to challenge the constitutionality of, uh, the 1102 Article 1 Section 12 paradigm there. Um, and because the state actually, was trying to argue a little bit on it during the second part of this last hearing to try to like insert argument towards that motion into this and judge like actually stopped uh, I think it was Gruenander uh, was the DA up there arguing and he like stopped him and said, "We're not going to go into that right now." And I thought for a second he had just inadvertently like kind of, you know, digressed a little bit into it, but no, it seemed like he like Uh, he's going down the wrong road.
>> outline was to like try to go in into that issue. So, um, you know, it'll be interesting. I guess back to my original point is that, you know, a lot of the expert evidence stuff like that or like the real battle of the experts, obviously we wouldn't see any of that till trial till trial primarily because of the 1102 thing and them wanting to get in these, you know, conclusory reports over uh, you know, having it to where they can be cross-examined uh, and or where, you know, be challenged by another expert.
Yeah, I'm not sure they have time to to to really um, um, you know, really study on that pre-recorded uh, Lance uh, you know, deposition.
>> [laughter] >> Well, you know, in regards to the other like the conclusory expert reports, it's like you can't do anything to challenge that until your expert gets a chance to like actually look at the underlying evidence, look at the full basis and all the data points for their report. So, yeah, I mean, it's it's, you know, they kind of got the defense in a bad place in that sense, right? That like or at least for the preliminary hearing. They're if the if 1102 Article 1 Section 12 is upheld by the judge, yeah, it's, you know, as the defense said in their motion, they're going to be like potted plants. There's just not a lot they can do without the ability to uh, confront and cross-examine at that hearing.
Right.
>> Well, and what what got me was um, I just I thought was kind of funny, you know, um, I can't remember exactly how that goes or how they worded it, but you know, basically when they were arguing about the you know, what the what the defense had said in their their motion and then the prosecution came on to kind of counter it and you know, correct the record and I forget like I said, I forget exactly how it's worded, but basically you know, a defense attorney is you know, bound by certain you know, well, code of ethics and everything else, you know, but >> [clears throat] >> but they they have a they have a a responsibility to the defendant, you know, to um you know, what I'm I I don't know how to put it, but you know, basically to give them a proper defense and make sure nothing's misrep you know, represented and stuff like that.
>> [snorts] >> Um it was funny to me though when when the the prosecutor was like trying to trying to use that almost like the public is and I guess kind of is, but he was basically making it sound like, you know, well, the public is my you know, my client and so we we had that responsibility to go in here and counter that you know, that statement and correct the record cuz obviously um you know, they're might get in hot water over that, so Yeah, Echo, you want to say something?
Well, it's just [clears throat] you know, there's the the defense was trying to disqualify the entire office for the sort of prejudicial investigation that they basically started.
And so here they're now holding a different person in contempt for basically going to the media, right? And that included I think Daily Mail and and New York Post, which are also the ones who were putting, you know, out early information.
And so, there's seemingly a pipeline between the prosecution and the media.
And so, the defense's kind of request that the prosecution basically said they didn't they weren't going to fulfill.
And which the defense is now asking the judge um to to basically force them to turn that over, right? Was um seemed to be about the uh specific content of what was being deliberated on. And just the fact that they were deliberating in the first place um is is a violation, I think, of of the um um or at least that itself might not be the violation, but um there was communication with it, and so that's kind of what the arguments were. Um but it it it continued that um prejudicial uh you know, slander from the prosecution side. The other thing that I thought was really interesting was based on what the prosecution, defense, and media um all said about the um you know, what is basically hearsay, and which because it's hearsay is prejudicial also, and could slant the jury against uh or the the the jury pool against their client. They're it sounds like they're not going to show anything unless the judge uh sort of is the only advocate for um public, I guess.
Because seems [clears throat] like it seems like yeah, it seems like the only thing that could possibly be heard is Twigs' statement um that would be recording because all of the pictures are going to be the uh the chambers are going to be shielded from these pictures. Um and so I guess only the judge is going to see them and based on what they are um you know, it's only one person is going to basically see them. And I guess actually um well, yeah, anybody on the other side.
Yeah, so um going back to kind of the first part real quick about the uh prejudicial statements made by the uh prosecution. Yeah, so it was kind of twofold what they were talking about or what they were request for judge like right after and if we remember correctly, right? The prosecutor's statements, the prejudicial ones which we dissected the other night Adam Adam and I did a bit, but um you know, those were made in response to when the defendant filed when when Robinson's attorneys filed the motion to continue the preliminary hearing, they discussed and labeled as exculpatory uh the uh ATF report, right? And then the media took it from there and you know, ran with it. And so the prosecutor, you know, trying to and their client is the state. So just so yeah, judge is our representative. Like when it comes to media access stuff like that, like the judge plays our attorney in all that, right? But in regards to the uh prejudicial statement, yeah, the the DA was saying, you know, the state's our client and we had a duty to get out there and like And and and more of a duty to truth than even the defense, right? That Yeah, that yeah, he said, "Oh, us prosecutors have a duty to the yeah, >> [laughter] >> he said a duty to the truth." Like he didn't directly say it, but like implying that like the defense like have nothing to do with the truth. It was yeah, but um what they did is as soon as they made those statements, the defense sent them a discovery request. And what they were asking like you indicated uh was for the like internal correspondence and other communications in between the DAs. And the reason for that uh like you say, it doesn't necessarily go to whether they were in contempt.
Obviously, we can look at the statement and judge can judge that, you know, according to the rule as it is, but it goes to like the seriousness of if there was contempt, right? Like and so basically gauging remedies, it depends, you know, like were they aware that this was a violation of the rule, yet did it anyways or like they didn't really know it was a violation of the rule, but they talked it over and maybe they just made kind of a bad judgment call versus like intentionally going in like knowing that like there's no way that this is going to come out in a way that is congruent with the rule. So like that's really what the internal communications were for and why the defense was asking for them like to get judge compel them to answer, but you know, secondary there was also like, "Hey, we want to have an evidentiary hear evidentiary hearing on this." Which said emails or correspondence would obviously be relevant to. Yeah, it was very interesting. Like I say, it you know, I could tell that the state got a dose of its own medicine, right? Because obviously there's a lot of statements made against the defendant and have been both by people in their camp and by the media. And so it's it's kind of comical for me to like see prosecutor have to like take some of that >> Yeah, yeah. not control their emotions, apparently. Well, did you get the Did you get the feeling like me that, I mean, obviously if something's been violated, it has to be dealt with, but did you get the feeling like me that the judge I mean, didn't say it in so many words, but as far as, you know, the the prosecutors going and, you know, quote-unquote correcting the record, that, you know, they were so adamant that what the defense said was so mischaracterizing, you know, what what was actually said in the ACF report, but yet at the same time what they said was was inconclusive.
Which is exactly what the ATF report said. I mean, it said we could not, you know, we could not positively match it, and we could not rule it out. It's inconcl- it's conclu- inconclusive.
Well, it's I mean The the thing about the inconclusivity is that um based on which side you want to take, it's either going to be it's either going to be exculpatory or inculpatory.
And so, because of that ambiguity, people are going to say, "Well, it you know, it matches it on some levels."
Other people will say, you know, "Well, not enough." It all goes to the Either side's got about as much ground to stand on as the other.
Yeah. Every single piece of the sort of proof I hear is built on that same kind of it could go either way on some level.
And so, I think you know, it just the fact that it is ambiguous, I think is what the defense is basically saying makes it exculpatory. But you can still, you know, get away with saying inculpatory and then potentially overlooking that fact. Well, yeah. Yeah, no. And Well, also it seems like just a just to end with that, they basically said they didn't want to like enter the reports into the probable cause they didn't want to show that or make that available or accessible to the media um or potentially anybody else. Uh and then, you know, with the files being classified as either private or um you know, personal or all of these different things, you also can't see a number of different um pieces of of how things are being assessed or the different evidence. And so, if especially uh he doesn't even go to trial because this is uh you know settled potentially or or there's a plea it would seem that we they could get away with not showing any evidence and and we would be none the wiser because they say they have it. So on on that issue you know I'm thinking let's just say in a hypothetical judge were to rule that the 1102 article 1 section 12 at least as it relates to this case is unconstitutional and then opens it up to where the defense can actually show up confront Lance confront these other experts cross-examine them.
Well, that might vitiate the defenses urge to want to suppress that or at least you know hide that evidence for purposes of the preliminary hearing because then they'll have an opportunity to actually challenge it. I think what the issue for the defenses right now is like especially with the 1102 evidence right it's like they're going to bring this evidence in the public's going to see it. We have no way to challenge it or put it you know into the crosshairs and so it'll just pass into the public domain without challenge or And I get that. I do. I understand it. I've said from day one I'm okay with the cameras not really being in there even though I'd like for them to be as long as you know as long as they're there when trial starts you know I'm good with it cuz I can see both sides of you know you know how it could how it could prejudice you know I can see both sides of it you know for the during the during the preliminary hearing stuff so Well, I think the the the solution that they posed was basically like you know, it's your legal right to spread as much disinformation as possible as long as you like have a live feed to the actual thing so that hopefully, you know, uh someone can root through all the disinformation. Which sounds great, and that's, you know, wonderful, but um but then also if if you don't have access to those exhibits, then you can't know for sure. It like the whole thing is a trust me, bro.
And so, to the question of like, are the defense in on it?
You know, it I wonder like who's talking to who and what the different roles are in the strategy and like also the degree to which Tyler is in on it, if at all.
Because even to sort of assume that is to not presume innocence, which is like on some level the problem.
But then also, how do you explain all of these things? And I think that is um sort of the question that gets to Candace, that gets to, you know, the sort of open source and you know, uh investigation.
And uh really what everybody's trying to figure out. So.
Yeah. It's a question.
Yeah, yeah, no. And again, I don't when I said earlier like, I'm starting to feel better that they're working for Tyler, but again, this this whole situation I I've said this since day one. I do uh run away from drawing any hard conclusions on a lot of things in this case. Uh just because I feel like doing that and getting stuck in a position, that's when the fast one comes uh just right by you, you know? And so, I uh So, it's evolving, right? My opinion on that issue is evolving with me right now. Feeling pretty good that they're they're doing what they're what they need to be doing, but you know, we'll we'll see as it plays out. Yeah.
Yeah. Time will only tell, right? Yeah.
Yeah. Um I was going to say real quick on on the on in terms of whether they're going to allow cameras in on the preliminary hearing, the way I kind of felt, Judge, that he recognized that like the defenses suggestion to like completely exclude like cameras and all that's like that's not like and like I said in my live stream the standard requires narrow tailoring meaning that judges order needs to be narrowly tailored like just as prohibitive on the media as possible. Um in order to try to protect everyone's rights and so you know off the bat he said totally excluding the cameras that's not narrowly tailored that's just like a general blanket y'all got to get out of here and then you know even the prosecution I think after what they experienced with the media even they're like yeah you know maybe we do need to put some restraint on what's disclosed at the preliminary hearing so I would imagine it'll be somewhere in between where we'll get to see most of it but there might be some bits on some of these exhibits and stuff where they cut it off for them to present it to judge on the record you know without us being right there.
Yeah and like I said I mean I'm cool with it as long as they're there at least by the time you know trial starts they got to be in there when trial starts or Oh they will yeah absolutely yeah the evidence while it might be technically right now admissible for the preliminary hearing purposes now come to trial they're going to have to bring those people in and they're going to fully develop those expert reports hand over the evidence all that. Right.
[snorts] Exactly.
>> is like will it even get to that or will it just sit there and >> [laughter] >> That's the million dollar dollar question there. That's the million dollar question.
telegraph that they like definitely do have it but then it's never actually shown and so it's a question of whether they do.
Yeah.
>> Yeah.
Keeping fingers crossed and pray pray pray.
>> [laughter] >> You know judge did basically make those exhibits accessible to the um public and the media because that is the entire thing.
And if it's just like, "Oh, you know, cops got it from social media." It's like, is that how we're doing police detective work?
>> [laughter] >> A screenshot from the social media like this is what the judge said. Oh my god. Like like YouTuber, you know, like hmm.
So why do they say that this could go on for years?
Yeah, death penalty cases. How long do death penalty cases usually I think that's part of it is just the amount of appeals that you can bet will be coming. Well, you know, and that's the thing is is exactly you indicated is that, you know, death penalty is serious matter, right? I think we can all agree on that. And so the attorneys like are very, very meticulous in creating the record, meaning that, you know, every objection needs to be, you know, plainly stated, motions filed, hearings had, like, you know, cross all t's, dot all i's. Where in another case, you know, it might be part of the strategy, like, you know, maybe we don't want to spend so much time in here pursuing this thing that might not be that successful versus this. Whereas in a death penalty case, it's like any colorable argument or avenue that you have to represent your client and assert their rights, like, you have to more or less do it, right?
So it just it's a much more meticulous process because of the appeals afterwards, right?
Yeah, because how many appellate [clears throat] courts are there before you get to the the Supreme Court?
>> [laughter] >> A death penalty case, I mean, it's, you know, there's pretty much appeals until the time that they're they're execu- executed. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, I mean, right up to the day before, right? I mean, Yeah, I'm thinking some cases I've heard day of that they actually got, you know, >> There have been some day of.
One one issue I do want to cover tonight if we have the time is I want to talk about this payver testimony, like the payver contract.
>> Yeah, yeah.
Talk about that in context of Tyler's due process rights because >> Yeah, for sure. it sharpened our due process analysis on that If If you want to go ahead and play that video, go.
Oops, sorry. Do you have a clip of the Pever just giving his testimony? Do we need to pull that up? I've got one I've got one handy. It's not ready to go. If you want to go ahead, we can if you've got a video there, go ahead and pop it up there and I'll I have the other video. Go for it.
>> Uh I have a couple of funny videos and total change of pace is from what we were just talking about, but sure. One of them is it's all good.
Okay, I think Oh, yeah, let me share my screen real fast.
I'm not going to say anything about this video I'm about to show you, but I think you guys will figure out in 2 seconds why I am showing this.
I found this video and it's from a month ago.
And keep in mind what we just discovered today and I'm not going to play the whole thing.
You'll see.
All right. My screen is I'm showing I got you. I got you. I got you. I got you. Okay, and I do have the Pever video pulled up whenever we're ready for it.
Okay, cool. Yeah, I would love to see his story again. I've only seen it once.
Yeah, it's pretty good. All right, hear me out.
This video is fake.
It's not CG or AI.
It's real.
>> It's all real. Shot in camera. You see why I'm playing this video?
It's crazy, right?
>> [laughter] >> I don't know if you've seen it yet, but a few months ago the crypto company Coinbase wanted Don't believe your lying eyes. Yeah, this is real. This is not CG. Anyway, I was watching the video while you guys were talking.
So, they this whole thing about masks and they've been working on the mask for a hot minute. Have you guys heard what the the idiots are saying? They're trying to say that this is just shadow. Oh, yeah.
>> shadow and it's bad lighting. I'm like, no, I've watched this a million times.
That's a mask and you can see him you can see the mask like flapping on the sides of his neck.
>> That is not a shadow.
No, not at all.
What do you think the next best move is today? Well, I I agree with the general completely. I can't even watch this.
This is so gross. Patience may indeed a little short of the real objective here. The president has time on his hands. He >> [laughter] >> I can't even watch this. Do you guys not get disgusted seeing this?
>> Yeah, cuz when I first saw it, first thing I thought was look like somebody tried to cut his head off right before he went on.
I [laughter] mean, seriously. I can't even look at it. It looks like, yeah, a a shadow. Look, I I I got some better clearer You did? of it, you know. I found some online, you know, and I zoomed in on it and I'm telling you that is not a shadow.
No, that looks like a piece that didn't get makeup covering it as it Yeah, all right. It It came untucked or unglued or whatever.
It's [laughter] so gross. I couldn't find the one of BB Netanyahu though where the mask is showing.
>> Oh, yeah. I would I'd like to see that.
Have y'all seen the comparison though of him and himself?
Who? BB Netanyahu? No, no. That that that admiral there, that vice admiral.
Oh, yeah. I've seen the comparison of the real him.
Yeah.
Anyway, this is a random video.
The mom and dad geese down here.
The baby is way up there.
>> [laughter] >> And watch what happens. Do you see the baby?
Yeah. The baby Where did the baby go?
Oh, there it is. There it is. Yeah, there it is.
>> [clears throat] [laughter] >> You think he's going to jump?
Oh, yeah. No, DON'T DO IT. DON'T DO IT.
>> [laughter] >> OH, I LOVE BIRDS, DUDE. BIRDS ARE so awesome.
>> I well, I was hoping there was water underneath it.
>> [laughter] >> He lives. They would This is on mainstream news, man. They would >> There was water under it. Okay.
>> [laughter] >> I guess it's training day for them.
Dang, man. Hey, that's like that's like how people used to teach their kids how to swim, you know, be 2 years old, throw them in the deep end, and hey, you know, sink or swim.
Yeah. Yo, what is this thing about Fetterman's secret Israeli handler? Do you guys know anything about this?
>> know anything about that.
>> I kept seeing it come up, but this is looks like a boring video. We don't have to Did someone say um you know about this?
No, not me. I I have no idea.
I just kept seeing that topic come up.
Who's Fetterman again? Someone that works for Trump and they've got a secret handler?
>> [snorts] >> Yeah, he's Isn't he Democrat? He sort of went against them to kind of get the keep the Iran war going? Was that him?
Was that someone different?
I don't know because >> so now we move on. Fetterman was against it, wasn't he? Or at least initially.
Yeah, I got it.
Fetterman's secret Israeli handler exposed. This is just a Oh my god, he looks so he looks so Philly-ish.
>> [laughter] >> He's got Philadelphia wrote all over that [ __ ] >> Yeah, is this Fetterman right here?
Yeah.
And that's his handler? I mean >> It looks like it looks like a couple Looks like a couple of [ __ ] >> [laughter] >> So, you don't know >> me of Runkle from Californication. You don't know Fetterman?
No, I'm not the smartest person ever.
He's the one that got that literally got elected wearing a freaking hoodie and jogging pants.
I mean, the guy he had a major stroke and I don't know, Well, had some kind of computer some kind of fancy computer technology that's helping work and his his you know, I don't know. Helping him out with his you know, brain and mouth connecting you know, I don't know exactly what it was. Either way, oh God, some of the stuff he would say, I mean, he can't help it. He had a stroke.
I mean, but dang.
Better than dead.
>> [laughter] >> Yeah, I figured you knew about him.
Yeah, I know it sounds familiar just the thought of someone like in their hoodie.
But yeah.
Got elected to the yeah, to the Senate.
So.
Yeah, over the last years Democratic Party's support for Israel has undergone a dramatic reversal. 18 Democratic senators backed uh what backed a measure to block arms sales to the country in April of this year. It was 40. Yeah, but you know, everyone's acting like the Democrats don't like Israel, but like you guys already know, 90 Yeah, 90% of their politicians also take money from AIPAC. So, it's all an act.
>> Yeah, the average Democrat or person that calls themself a Democrat, the voter, yeah, a lot of them have completely turned away, but now when it comes to Congress, you know, DC, I mean, they're 99.9% all completely bought.
Oh, this is another This is a random thing. I found a website that's so bad, we might get banned just if I even pull it up.
It's not like pornography or anything.
It's called [ __ ] TV.
goyimtv.com I got to check that out sometime. Uh I'm scared to pull it up. It's I'm just I'm I I'm going to pull it up and then we can't look at it very long and we have to go and then YouTube got >> check this on y'all's own time, Chad.
Like like YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? OH GOD.
>> [laughter] >> WHAT I'M DUDE. That guy does Did you see though there's a Tristan Tate This is This is how I found it. Let me find Tristan Tate.
I don't even follow Tristan Tate. I don't know how he came up.
Why is it not coming up? Tristan Tate.
Dude, this this video makes me mad cuz it seems like it's This seems fake or it seems like this is the [ __ ] TV people.
Mhm. They are so racist against Jews that it makes me think it's fake. Like like Jewish people are paying them to do this to make us feel sorry for Jews.
>> That's a That's a That's And that very well could be. And that's what I was going to say. I always try to differentiate. Um obviously, you can talk about the whole Jewish supremacy thing and all that, whatever, but to me it's not about the Jews. It's about the Israelis, that government and those, you know, their influence and all that kind of stuff.
>> to say it's the Zionists and it's the Rothschilds. We do not like Rothschilds or Zionists. Same thing.
You want to see this though? You want to see like how racist they are?
I mean, what are your thoughts about Jews sucking baby penis?
Hey, how about [ __ ] you? Oh, yeah, Jew?
Excuse me? I said, "Oh, yeah, you crossed eyed Jew?" Whether I'm a Jew or not >> You are Jewish. You are Jewish. You are Jewish. You're disgustingly Jewish.
Jewish. So Jewish. This is so fake.
>> You're so Jewish. You're hideous. What are your thoughts about your Jews sucking baby penis?
Oh my god. [laughter] Do you guys know about the Jews sucking baby penis thing though? It's It's real.
part of the circumstance and they when they got it and then they cut it off, they they supposedly and they allegedly sucked the blood out, you know, you know.
>> I I knew about that before I started to specialize in free exercise of of religion and my position that that shouldn't be protected under the the law is And again, I'm not saying that cuz I'm like trying to be prejudicial or just like a fair constitutional analysis is that I want to say there's been instances where babies have actually caught infections and been injured [snorts] or or maybe even lost their life. I think that only goes if it doesn't affect anybody at all, you know, any other people at all.
>> Yeah, so and I'll just tell y'all real quick, you know, the Constitution, the original 13 colonies, you know, the the impetus was this, if you're not physically harming a person, okay, another, right, or disturbing anyone else's peace, go about your business with freedom of religion. But again, harming children?
You know, I don't think it's ever been in the spirit of of religious freedom in this country. Just my opinion. Nope. Yeah.
Yes, anyway, I find this I saw Tristan Tate post about how [ __ ] this guy is. That square on that microphone is made to look like something other [laughter] than what's on it.
Dude, but they they're so flamboyant about hating Jews and they're so racist.
It's got to be they have to be getting baby bucks. Dude, and what makes this the most fake is the police officer standing there doing nothing when this guy is clearly assaulted that man. Cuz as Greg knows, you a lot of people don't know this, you don't have to touch someone to assault them. No. But getting in their face like this and being racist to them is assaulting them. So he has just committed a crime in front of the cop. The cop does nothing.
Yeah, and trust me, >> fake. Yeah, trust me, just a heterosexual white dude, I mean, they're the first ones that are going to get the cuffs the cuffs slapped on them for the most part, you know.
So, Yeah. So this whole thing is just so fake. That could very well be. There look look baby baby bucks are known to go to people like that just to get stricter anti-semitism laws and stuff like that. Yeah. Look at what it says down here. But yeah, like and then we caught the Democrats.
>> I know, right? I just we caught the Democrats What is he It almost looks like he's mocking the the baby penis sucking joke. Uh, we caught the Democrats paying for a racist to show up to the Trump crowd. This is the same thing. I think this is Bibi Netanyahu paying these people to be racist against Jews.
Yeah. To make to make Jew hater to make Zionist haters look like this Look like that.
>> of this. Oh, so that's what y'all think of when you think of me now. Everybody gets lumped together. Do you think that's the Do you think that's the same thing with like other personalities like Nick Fuentes or, you know, even Candace Owens I've wondered with some of them.
Like Nick Fuentes I I'm starting to think is a fed. What do you guys think?
Well, to me this stupid Yeah, the the stupid like extremes. I mean that he he goes through like Um, you know, absolutely hates Trump, everything he stands for, everything he wants to do, and then all of a sudden he's like, "Yeah, when it comes to Venezuela." You know, talking about, you know, how we're going to go over there and kick their asses and we did you know, I don't know.
It's just like one extreme to the other back and forth doesn't make much sense.
So, I don't know. Yeah. I If if I was going to If I was going to have to rank probability, I mean, he would probably be the highest probability on the list.
Yeah.
Um, we're going to have to put up some We're going to have to put up that pay per video to to to uh >> [laughter] >> Did anybody check out that um Keep America Great documentary that's been coming out? What's it What's it about? It's like the Unfuck America tour I think just put out a video that was sort of doing a documentary on how some of the USA chapters are not actually real.
Um, and I [clears throat] haven't I haven't finished the whole thing, but if this is it I was just I just wanted to point out that, you know, Candace and Nick have done work together. Candace and Destiny have done work together. Hunter and Destiny do work, you know, so it's just like But that Candace works for Ben Shapiro and they hate each other's guts now, you know what I mean? Yeah, just cuz they worked together in the past might not be She used to be a flaming leftist. So, I mean, I could easily see her and Destiny doing work together years ago. Should we watch this video, Ghost Chapters? Is this what you're talking about, Echo? I think it's not I don't think it's long, yeah. How long is it? 10 minutes-ish?
Yeah, I kind of want to see it now. I've never heard of Unfuck America Tour.
There's going to be a whole bunch of them. I I normally don't cuss on I'm just saying the name of this channel.
>> name of it, yeah. Yeah. All right, let's look There's 12 chapters and only seven of them [music] were actually real.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. What? Now, look, I want everybody to keep in mind one thing.
I I like to keep this this I like to frame it this way. I mean, I watched it.
The information in there is probably good or mostly good, but it is going to have somewhat of a slant. I mean, this is literally This video?
Yeah, I mean, these people literally hated Charlie Kirk and everything him and Turning Point stood stood for. Oh, so this is a liberal This is a liberal >> Yes, the Unfuck America is Destiny and all of those Hunter Hunter's part of that, too.
Yep, Hunter Cosack. Hunter Oh, okay.
It's going to be left slanted. It's going to be, you know, Yeah, since I'm a I'm a flaming conservative, so I normally don't watch stuff like this, but I kind of like checking it out every now and then.
>> Well, I mean, like I said, as far as most of the numbers and everything going in it, it's probably accurate, but I always like to keep that in mind like, you know, they literally created this this entity here to counter Turning Point. So, um Okay, let's let's see. If something sounds a little extreme, maybe it's it is, but like I said, the numbers are probably pretty accurate.
All right. And this is probably the kind of thing Charlie didn't know about and was starting to wise up on, hence wanting an audit. Oops, I'm sorry. An effort.
Yeah, I mean, that is the nice thing though about having these two opposite parties that hate each other is sometimes it takes the other party to expose something that your your party won't admit to a certain truth. And I'm in denial about it cuz I love it. Like I loved Trump for way too long. It took me forever to finally turn on Trump. He had but uh Yeah, so so anyway, let's The other five [music] I found out the previous field reps family members had pretended to open up in chapters [music] so that they could claim there was chapters on campuses and then the rest were legitimately fake contacts. Fake contact information bounced back, texts bounced, calls [music] failed. Nobody has actually verified the students' identities.
It's really creepy to think that they're collecting students' phone numbers in the first place.
Please welcome This is a little bit slow-paced.
Would you trust Erica with your child's phone number? Y'all, I trust this girl.
>> [laughter] >> Yeah, no, I wouldn't. school across the state. [music] In its own filings, the organization claims to operate more than 1,800 campus chapters and to be active in more than 3,000 high school and college campuses.
>> Great question. Start a Turning Point USA chapter. It's It says its program reaches millions of students.
And behind that movement is money. In a single year, Turning Point USA spent more than $20 million on what it calls its field program, the part of the organization responsible for building and supporting these chapters. All together, it raises more than $80 annually. That money comes from donors.
Donors who are told they're funding something very specific. A nationwide grassroots network of young people organizing, educating, and reshaping the future of American politics from the ground up.
But now what they're doing, I forget where I saw this. I saw someone exposing TPUSA, all they're doing is collecting data to send to Israel so that Israel can market and pay influencers like target teenagers and church members to like Israel. Yeah, via Tyler Boyer and and her and Erica's mother, you know.
>> Yeah. Well, and like Erica's whole thing going on tour around the country to go speak at all these churches, which she was doing for free, being like, "Oh, we're here cuz we love Jesus. No one paid me to be here." But she's also making a deal with the church that we're going to like geo-track everyone's phone who shows up to your church. So now what they're not actually doing it for free, what they're actually doing is uh getting everyone to show up to this church and then snatching all their phone data so they can send it to Israel so that Israel can go contact those people later. Have you heard about this? And Israel's contacting them asking, "Do you have a few moments to talk about the importance of USA's and relationship with Israel?"
>> I didn't [clears throat] hear that. I knew that they were tracking geo-tracking people at those events.
>> Dude, Israel is using AI to contact everyone Erica Kirk who everyone she's going on tour. Anyone that went to the church to go see Erica speak is getting texts from an AI from Israel saying, "Do you have a few moments to talk about the importance of the relationship between the USA and Israel?"
And it's a bot that will actually like argue with you about why it's so important. And they're doing this with the kids, too. The whole thing about like, "Oh, we have a chapters in all these high schools and all these colleges." Sure, maybe a whole bunch of them are fake, but what they're also doing is uh getting all these kids' information so they can follow them on the internet and make sure that they love Israel. Yeah, hey dude, that I just reminded me. I've got a screenshot. I'll have to show it sometime, but yes, I got a text message something about asking me how I felt about Israel and um Oh, you have to share that, dude.
>> Yes, I will. I totally forgot about it till you till you were saying that.
I don't know if we really need to watch this video. So what's So basically they're saying a bunch of it's fake.
What are they saying is fake?
Yeah, so like one chapter, um you know, like if you look at the map, it shows all these different chapters, the name of the school and everything. And they have gone and investigated a bunch of them and they went to one, I forget the name of it. It's in Georgia and literally they got there and the school has been closed down for like 2 years.
The doors are hanging open. There's, you know, [ __ ] strewed everywhere like I mean positively no kids going to school there, but yet it shows to be an active chapter on the Turning Point website.
So [snorts] Yeah. you know, it's like and so look, even if this is the way I look at it, it's bad even if they're not giving money because I don't think Turning Point necessarily directly gives these chapters any kind of money, but at the end of the day uh for every chapter that they have that that is donors that are you know donors are paying more because they think that they're doing X Y and Z. And if they're not actually doing X Y and Z it's kind of fraudulent.
And like I said, I think this is the kind of thing that Charlie didn't know about and was learning about. I want to replace this goes to like who the decisions are like who are the decisions being made uh by like >> Yes. the technology companies, you know, who are they owned by? Um I think there's been some some sort of good work on how this money is flowing in different places. But if it's, you know, if it is an op, if it is a front, and uh uh it's a front for, you know, foreign intelligence gathering through youth via schools or um churches, it's um it's an interesting you know, fact that so many of these uh I guess chap- may not even be um real and and more of that kind of just Yeah. Wow.
Says, "Administrators told us they had no affiliation with Turning Point USA at all."
>> Like, would you be able to let us know if it's been if it was ever a club that existed and maybe dissolved?
>> never I No, I do know for a fact it has never been a club on campus. Got you. Um Of the [music] 72 high schools we contacted, seven schools said they had an active Club America chapter.
31 schools said they had no chapter at all.
>> [music] >> A student organization can come and go.
Records can be incomplete.
>> All right. And a national organization may define its presence This is the Georgia I want to I think this is the Georgia one that you were talking about.
And I'm sure that they lapse like every year. Former Wolf Training School was established then.
It was established from lack of maintenance and deterioration.
>> Oh, yeah, look at it. Yeah, and especially if they're getting money from, you know, the government to this or if Turning Point USA started club.
It's showing you how easy it is to make a fraudulent one.
They're literally making it in real time.
Oh, wow.
Yeah, just watch till the end here.
Oh, yeah.
>> See, they just put a fake picture up.
That's creepy you can create fake pictures of kids that I just that >> Well, I mean it's probably a generic screenshot offline, you know, it it might >> Now we got to go back to all of, you know, erotic pictures We received your chapter agreement, so I want to reach out with the next steps. I couldn't be more excited to welcome you all to the Club of America family. Yep.
>> So a lot of them are just fake. Oh, man.
Boom, there it is.
>> That Yeah, that's the one Yeah. They made a fake chapter of TPUSA.
>> up on the map right away.
What What is this? Clubs in it.
A name, a contact, [music] a record that may or may not reflect what's actually happening on the ground.
And when That's so crazy.
Yep. Well, yeah, it kind of reminds me of what Matt Cucharoni taught us about how TPUSA operated as like ballot harvesters. They just All they care about are the numbers.
They don't care about like authenticity.
Hey, we need to get We need to get Matt T on now >> Charlie's Angels, what do you know about this? I kid you not. Charlie's Angels, I just had the same thought. I wasn't even reading your text when I said that. You said the exact same thing as me. That's so funny.
Yep. I'm sorry. Sorry I interrupted you, Adam. What's up? I said the same thing.
I said we need to get Matt T on now and talk to him and see what, you know, what he what if anything he knows about that and or, you know, what he knows about that.
>> contact with him. He contacted me like a few weeks ago saying, "Hey, I'm in I'm in Texas. I'll call you soon." Uh and I've texted him and called him since then and he didn't respond. I I think he's trying to step away from the internet life, but I don't know though.
I texted him like 2 months ago and he never replied back, so I don't know.
Yeah. And when's the last time you talked to Mitch Snow? Cuz Mitch Snow also doesn't reply to me anymore. Oh, really?
Yeah. Well, I haven't I haven't tried that many times. I've I've messaged him on X and messaged I text messaged him and I think I called him and that's it.
Just I haven't talked to him lately, but now I I was talking to him a couple weeks ago. We had a show lined up and then he said that uh um he had some baby mama drama pop up and he had to go to court, so uh he was laying low for a little bit.
Uh-oh.
Ross, thanks a lot. This critical moves once again a topic of contention between the US and Iran.
>> The battle intensifying over who has control of the key waterway all while peace talks remain at a standstill. Our DC Bureau Chief Ben Kennedy has more from Washington.
In the war with Iran, Secretary of State Marco Rubio says progress is being made on a deal to end the conflict.
>> There's been some slight progress. I don't want to exaggerate it, but there's been a little bit of movement and that's good. He met with US uh I don't believe I don't believe anything he just A little bit of movement in which direction?
>> [laughter] >> This this is a not This is a nothingburger.
Dude, have you guys seen I am now convinced that China and America are not enemies or competitors at all, but the elites in China and the elites in America are best friends. It's What it all makes sense now. Yeah. The reason they want us to think of China as a threat is they they have the elites have everything to gain from us thinking that they're a threat. It's one of the big examples is Is that why we don't have a funding all this research into AI. If you question why we have to give billions of dollars to AI, what they'll say is well we have to compete with China. Yeah, we got to beat China.
>> Yeah.
Did you see though when all these guys go When Trump went to China recently, did you see everyone he took with him?
It's like Elon Musk. It's all these tech billionaires.
>> All the tech bros, yep. So what they All they were doing over there is just learning plotting and planning how to build a world's AI surveillance. Yeah.
That's That's all they were doing it.
Yeah. Uh one interesting thing I saw was um the lawyer of um um you know the the huge data center that's sort of going into Utah.
It was interesting. The the Kevin, what's his name? Kevin like um, the guy on the Shark Tank.
Kevin O'Leary? Yeah, so he's the guy so his lawyer is the is Erica and um and Charlie's lawyer. He was the lawyer that is basically on the um on the docket for the Tyler Robinson case getting information for Erica um, Niemann, I think.
Um, he was also the lawyer who was with Charlie when he was pleading the fifth um, and uh and also Kevin O'Leary's lawyer. So you know, I wondered that relationship and then also uh I think uh the governor of Utah made a deal to protect the um the Great Salt Lake that and Trump um gave him all this money, I think, to do it. Um, but I just thought that was a really interesting kind of relationship with this Great Salt Lake restoration, this uh you know data center that is absolutely essential for national security, the connection to uh Kevin O'Leary who's connected to the lawyers to Erica and um and uh Charlie and then um you have this uh smack in the middle of it you have this UVU uh campus which um which signs a a five-year agreement with Nvidia and is also involved in uh deep fake research um so you know, just thinking about what the evidence is that was provided to us and all of these potential deep fake audio things or or um pictures or video, you know, it's really unclear what is what, especially with all this disinformation in the ecosystem. So um you know, and and we're signaling that there's only going to be more of it. So, it's it's kind of an interesting >> [laughter] >> I'm sorry. Is this a real name? Major Chang Chang?
>> [laughter] [laughter] >> Look, they name them different over there, okay? I'm sorry, Echo. I'M SO SORRY.
>> [laughter] >> WELL, AND THEN WE got uh we got Elon Musk, right? Who's right next to >> Oh, he's thinking. He's like, "Oh, yes."
He's like, "I would love to add a 14th or 15th kid to my portfolio."
>> [laughter] >> Another baby my Oh, is this guy have a mask on? Is that the mask guy?
Probably.
No, that's Stephen Miller right there.
Dude [snorts] needs a mask. Hey, we going to watch that uh paver video?
People in the chat probably probably start We We bouncing around like a ping pong ball here. Sorry. No, you're good.
I just happen to think of it.
else to uh distract us from the uh fact we're not going to see any evidence from this trial.
>> [laughter] >> He's basically the propagandist for this uh thing.
I think he I think he had That is a crazy story. I think that um yeah, I think that was I think that was really revealing. That was a pretty good I would love to get that guy on to talk to him.
Which one?
>> you you could tell um the the guy that put the pavers down at UVU? Yeah, I got the video pulled up. All right.
>> Yeah. Oh, it's right there.
Um if if you can allow it where I can share, Adam. Oh, no, I see. I'm sorry. I thought that was uh I thought that was the one Matt had there. Sorry.
Oh, is that mine? Yep, I think so.
Let me uh Yeah, yeah, UVU contractor. Yeah.
Okay, here we go. Cool. All right.
Uh here we go.
Merrell made.
What's up, guys?
Hey, I just want to share a quick post here.
Um I got a call about a week and a half ago from a couple of uh couple of maintenance guys from the state of Utah that had been asked to replace uh to beautify an area where a brother had been gunned down.
Got him that gun. Okay.
When he came out and made this post, what was alarming to me was that he said that two maintenance guys from the state of Utah called me on guys from the state of Utah called me on a Sunday. All right, here we go.
>> And I get a uh call, and I don't answer my phones on Sunday.
They left a message, [snorts] and the gentleman said, "Hey, you know, this is kind of weird." And he was kind of humming and hawing on on the phone.
This is 5 days later then. You said it was on the Sunday. Okay.
>> Yeah, on Sunday.
And he says, "We've got a paver emergency." Uh-oh.
The hell is that? It's popping up all the time. Exactly, right? I'm thinking this guy's What the hell? You know, so anyways, I I wasn't going to even respond cuz I don't typically do that, but I'm like, "Paver emergency, you know, part of my MO is I like to be useful, you know, where I can be help, you know? So, I texted the guy. I said, "Look, uh I don't work on Sundays. Um my guys don't work on Sundays.
Uh you know, I'm happy to call you on Monday. What's a paver emergency?"
So, he sends me pictures of of right where Charlie was murdered.
And he says he says, "We need to put pavers in this place."
So, I called him, and um the guy seemed like a genuine good dude. He says, you know, look, we we don't have a whole lot of answers.
We're told by, you know, people above us that we've got to put pavers in, you know, today and tomorrow. It needs to be in by Monday.
And we've never done pavers, we've never installed them, and we want to make sure we do it right.
He says, would you come help? I said, 100%.
So, I went and got my [ __ ] I got my trailer. I started calling my guys.
And none of my guys answered.
Okay.
So, the two guys that were instructed to do this paver job did not know how to do pavers. Didn't know how to do pavers.
>> [laughter] >> They had to reach out to Dan and Hardscape Utah to do them because they did not have any experience doing that.
Wait, I'm confused. I I got lost for a second. Yeah, hold on. What's up? Go ahead, Matt.
>> What is it? Go ahead.
Who Who called him? Why don't they know how to do pavers? Why are they Okay. So, two maintenance dudes that work for the state of Utah They They called him.
They got tasked to do it, and they didn't know how to do it, but they had the money and and they're saying, hey So, this this is like the cleanup crew that, you know Do you think those were actually maintenance men or were they FBI agents pretending to be maintenance men who they called?
>> Well, no. If you keep watching, you Yeah.
>> is actually the company here. Yeah. And he he gets into like who the people ordering it were. You want me to keep going? Yeah. Yes, please.
Two men have been asked to do this.
>> [snorts] >> So, that's the first red flag. That's the first red flag there. These two individuals who were contacted by the higher-ups and we're about to find out who those higher-ups were here in a second.
Those higher-ups informed these two maintenance individuals from the state of Utah that they needed to get their butts out on a Sunday in Church of Latter-day Saints taking Sunday pretty seriously Utah they needed to get their butts out and get this done by Monday by Monday.
So they had basically two days to do it.
So they basically they they launched this on these two guys who didn't know how to do pavers and said you got to get this done by tomorrow.
That's the first red flag.
Now just wait until you hear who told them that they needed to do it.
And so I started calling my other guys, you know, my my brothers. And then I called another, you know, so I put together this ragtag team, you know, of guys [clears throat] that we showed up on that Sunday, you know, within a hour and a half of when they called us with our trailer and uh We met with a couple of dudes. Um I was telling you there you know, there wasn't a whole lot information. There was there was two guys that were kind of in charge.
>> So by this point it's all dug up and everything.
>> It's everything's torn >> What what did it look like?
It was I've got pictures, you know, I could give you pictures of exactly at when I showed up I took pictures of what it looked like.
They had taken out about 10 inches of the dirt around the whole place, right? You know, you can right now you can see where the pavers are.
Everything under that probably 10 inches had been excavated.
>> they excavated so much dirt?
You think that they were trying to make sure they got any bullet fragments or anything that was in there?
I wasn't looking at it with that lens, dude.
>> Really?
>> I wasn't.
>> It didn't even cross your mind?
>> You got to start looking at things in that lens. I You know, you were saying stuff on social media. Everybody's saying stuff on social media.
And quite frankly I had been you know, I got so disheartened with social media because they just spin everything and they talk [ __ ] and and >> Yes, we do.
and I didn't want to see it. I knew there was videos out there right when I pulled into town when it happened. I Googled it and I saw the I saw the video from afar, right? Of Charlie getting shot and I thought, "Man, I don't want to see that shit." This guy got shot. You see it, you know he's probably dead or dying.
When he showed up to the site, he had found that they had excavated about 10 in down into the dirt of the crime scene.
And then they had a different crew to come in and do the beautification of the area. Hey, so one point I would like to make >> has pictures.
Dan Maril says What what was that? One one point I would make is that, you know, and and he and he tells in here when when Dan asked him, you know, why they took so much. Um, you know, he said that you've got to get down. You want to get that that top soil, that loose stuff off there, you know, and get down to the the really good You want a good solid base. I mean, when you put them down, they don't crack, you know, all that good stuff. Yeah. Well, this is the thing about it though, at a place like that um, you know that entire campus was basically built from the ground up.
Like, it's not like any of that dirt is just naturally virgin, non You know what I mean? So, it's hard for me to believe that they would have had to took 10 in to get down to solid base anyway. But, the way that is and how low it is there where that tent was sitting and everything, I'm guessing all that was excavated down to that level at some point cuz you know how you know how you got the water fountain and those Yeah, yeah. So, they built that >> Everything steps down. Well, I mean, and steps down to the bottom, so you know that it was cut down. So, that was just an interesting thing I thought of is like, yeah, but they probably wouldn't have had to go near 10 inches to hit good solid, you know, base.
>> Yeah, so you're saying that they would have leveled that place out and then built those steps on top of it. And so, that was like the lowest level right towards the solid earth. Yep. Yep. Yeah, you want to get down past the top soil because it's kind of loose and stuff, you know, it can it can shift and pack.
But, now this guy's going to die. So, so 10 inches So, 10 inches would have been excessive.
>> Seems like it's excessive, yes.
It would seem like it to me. Yeah, that he has pictures of what the site looked like prior to the beautification. I want to see that.
>> He has pictures of what they did to tear up the entire site.
Come on, Dan. I I think you're going to need to make those pictures public, man.
We're going to need those pictures.
We're going to need them. Yeah, we're going to need them. Candace is calling.
Let's let him go cuz it's coming. Just wait.
Dying, right? I don't want to see somebody murdered, especially a good man, a father, and a husband. So, so I hadn't been on social media. I had stayed away from it. My wife had been on it and she was a wreck, bro. She was just All that ugliness was just So, when I got the call, I thought, "You better [ __ ] believe it. I'm going to go help."
That was all it was. I'm going to go help these guys. He's asking for help.
They want to do it right. He he framed it in the sense that, "Hey, we want it we want this to be done right." So, that's That's why I showed up. So, I mean, to do pavers correctly, you over excavate. You get rid of the top soil.
You do. 100%. You want to get a good base. And these guys had kind of, you know, there was two two guys in charge and a ragtag crew. One of the guys was in charge of a a state-owned facility uh in um American Fork. And the other guy was in a maintenance groundskeeper on a facility in Provo. And these are the two guys I'm corresponding with.
The first guy, you know, the second guy that I hadn't talked to on the phone basically said, "Hey, look.
We're not talking to anybody. We're not saying anything to the media. He says this is above our pay grade.
Uh the FBI and the state Uh-huh.
>> The governor and the FBI. That's what they told me. The governor and the FBI said they want this done by Monday. And we need to get it done. We're not asking questions. We're not talking to media."
And so I said, "Okay."
What about that? Governor Cox Dude. and the FBI Yeah, I want to talk about the dude problem.
>> Governor Cox and Cash Patel >> instructed the state maintenance guys on a Sunday in Utah to get this done by Monday.
>> [laughter] >> These guys had no prior experience to get the job done that they were instructed to do.
And also, the site had been excavated prior to them arriving.
Governor Cox and the FBI instructed these men to get out there on a Sunday at the very last minute, rush, expedited.
That's the word we use in the business world to get something done very quickly.
expedited the call. So much so that they pulled out these religious people on a Sunday when they don't work to go out and do this.
Do does Did ever provide any proof of any of this or are we just taking his word for it?
>> did the excavation.
Uh that's a that's a good question. I haven't seen anybody doubting his veracity or that he's for real. I mean, what do y'all have a stance on that?
>> I don't I don't know why he would for one, I don't know why he would lie about it because >> to put his life in danger like Yeah, I mean, yes, he's put himself in a Plenty of people will just make up stories to make themselves the center of attention in a story.
>> most definitely did the work.
I mean, um and I other people have dug into it. I mean, I've looked into him and the name of the company and the contracts. So, I mean, he did the work. So, um I want to believe it. I do believe it. I just feel what happened after what happened to Charlie, it just seems awful ballsy to go out there and blame everything on, you know, the FBI and and the governor.
And also, too, >> [laughter] >> if he didn't do it, you already know they'd have been all up in our face with you know, everything to show that he's he's full of it, you know? I mean, wouldn't you imagine?
Like the other side, uh Gary and them, they they'd have pulled out the receipts to try to discredit him. Oh, you mean Gary Meltdown?
Yeah, practical Practical Tactical DOD Contract Gary? Am I the first one to come up with that nickname for him, Gary Meltdown? Definitely not. Maybe.
Cuz I just came up with that today while he was having a meltdown on me. Yeah, I think it's been a long history of that.
Oh, it has? It makes sense. Uh I don't really interact I've like never interacted with him, Eco. Today I interacted with him on X and he immediately sends me a sassy message and then blocks me. So, when I go to reply to his sassy message, I'm blocked.
Right. I'm like, dude, this guy just had a meltdown.
>> He blocks everybody just for nothing.
He hasn't blocked me yet, but I don't know why.
No, he he blocked me for a little bit and then he unblocked me and we had a conversation. He he's a lot nicer when he's not you know, writing for the the people of X, I think.
Oh, really? Yeah, but but it's Did you contact him on X? How did you get finally actually get in contact >> Yeah, so I mean I basically trolled him for a little bit and and was sort of pointing out all of his kind of mistakes and whatever and then he blocked me and then I continued doing that. Um, and he couldn't respond without unblocking me.
So I think he responded and then as we kind of went back and forth a little bit he ended up because he had basically said anybody who who thinks you know, you're you're right and I'm wrong, you know, come to the show and I was like, all right, I'll I'll do that. So that's how I got on the show and I know, but he won't do that for me.
He already told me that he would take he would have me on.
>> annoying, man. Yeah, he did that bad with Adam for sure, too. God, I mean No, I don't know. I don't know.
But it's it's an interesting We're going to have to kick it up a notch.
>> [laughter] >> All right, y'all want to finish this little last piece >> Yeah, yeah. Yeah, there's not much left.
Go ahead. Yeah, can I ask you though, too?
>> I'm wondering who the crew is that did the excavation.
Oh, no, we could do it after, too. But I guess the question is like you know, the fed slop is going to say like, oh, we needed to clean up the blood and so the governor and the FBI were like done with the scene and so, you know, blah blah blah.
The sort of conspiracy crowd is going to be like, no, they destroyed exculpatory evidence that would have shown that it was a bomb or it showed that the blood was fake or this or that or the other.
Um, and so basically it only really comes up if they're seeking the death penalty at the point at which then they need to reconstruct the crime scene. I think this is how it was explained to me.
Um but and then maybe if they kept some of whatever's on the, you know, pieces that they saved, if they even saved it, that could be provided at that stage in the trial, but also, you know, take years and years and years and so >> a celebrity in the chat.
Oh, yeah. Who is it?
Mr. Blake Bednarz. A shaped charge, What's up, Blake? Yes. I know.
It's if it's a shaped charge, like how are we going to know, right? So, anyway, the point the point I'm I'm asking here as uh You want a link?
Is uh yeah, get him on. That'd be fine.
The question that I'm asking is like if if you can't like make the case with it, but you can't unmake the case with it because the evidence that would have been able to is destroyed, is that going to be like good for the defense or bad for the defense if they can't actually make a defense because they don't have access to those things, which goes to the point of these other you know, evidence that is being tested without people from the defense there, without being recorded, so it could be destroyed also. And so, they're essentially destroying all of the evidence that could be used to make a defense, and so, the defense is kind of like, you know, how are we uh and and then it would seem like the jury's just kind of there to overlook that because, you know, we all know what happened, you know what I mean?
I um I made a due process worksheet for us, which once we're done with this video, we can switch over to the worksheet. I I put all the elements for the due process uh uh case for Tyler onto a word document.
And like yeah, so we'll we'll sort all that out. No, those are all very very good questions and considerations like going directly at the heart uh of the due process argument for Tyler. So yeah, if it's cool with y'all after this, I was going to pull up that little sheet and uh we can go through like these three questions and then like make all these points that like he's talking about uh and see what we think as far as his due process argument.
Yeah, that sounds good.
>> for sure. All right. All right. We always I only said bomb cuz I just heard Alex Jones say explain [laughter] Yeah. Yeah. Really fast super random question that has nothing to do with it but it'll be fast. Have you guys ever heard of Billy Webb?
The girl? She's like a blonde girl.
Uh no uh yeah, Adam Adam mentioned the other day. Yeah, I've been I've been talking to her. She's going to come on the show.
Oh, really? I started talking to her today, too. I thought she was a small channel cuz I she's only got like a few thousand followers. So I was like, "Hey, your videos are really good." Her and Brandi Billie had on the Brandi Billie channel channel they had like 20 or 30,000, so Oh, yeah, she's like actually famous. And now and now she made a tweet and like Bearing Kolman's posting on it.
Projects, Candace, everyone's They did a video with Bearing.
on her tweet. I'm like, "Wait, wait, who is this?" Okay, anyway.
Yeah, they did a video with Bearing.
Bearing pushed them hard.
But now they've had a falling out and she's like not they're not Okay, anyway, this never mind. Cool. Uh back to whatever we were doing. Sorry. We'll finish this video real quick. It's almost done. Yeah.
>> And where the debris in the construction world you normally have likely a dump truck or a dumpster that you throw the debris in and then it goes off.
Where did that go?
Where did the debris go from when they excavated it up?
Was this collected as evidence?
Or was it just taken and and disposed of? That's an important question.
That's a very important question.
I don't know if he just tried to explain that the reason that it was excavated about 10 in down was to prepare for pavers.
I don't think that's accurate. No.
That's I don't That seems to me a little bit suspicious of an account from what this Dan Merrell Yeah, and you know Zach does construction.
Zach Costello?
It would have been excavated for evidence, I would assume, right?
>> Yeah. You excavate the soil for evidence, the grass and the soil, you take it up for evidence, and then and then you allow the beautification company to come back in. It's not It wasn't to prepare for pavers so they could do pavers the right way.
They didn't excavate 10 in down to prepare for pavers.
I'm pretty sure he just made that implication.
But guys, what's so shocking to me about this that the governor of Utah and the FBI were the ones that instructed these maintenance guys to get this job done as soon as possible.
I thought I thought it was UVU.
I thought UVU would have been the ones to been like, "Hey, we need to get this done so we can get back to school." Huh.
Something like that. That makes the most sense, doesn't it?
What you looking at, Zach? What are you doing, Zach? I know. It drove me crazy when I was watching this thing. I was like, "Dude must have just smoked one before where did this video." Will's faster than hey uh Billy what the Billy girl's here right now in the chat. John chapter 14.
Yeah. Well, she's in the chat. Hey.
Amen. Amen. I say to you.
>> just hear me talking about how I just found you today on the internet and then like was messaging you and then I found out you're like already famous. I was I was telling her I said to her oh your videos are so good. You're going to be famous. Can you please like come on my show?
>> famous. Before before you get famous.
No, she didn't say she's already famous.
I know. I know. She's just like I don't care.
Uh hey Adam.
>> She's here, dude. Her name is Now Noticing. That's her YouTube channel.
>> right. Yeah, everybody go to subscribe to Now Noticing. Yes, go go give her a subscribe. Yes.
>> Also Daisy Times, thank you for the super sticker. Um I think YouTube is straight up shadow banning me. There's like my views are down. Do you guys did did My videos about Candace Owens, my newest ones uh have been dropping in views. Like I caught them dropping and they're like going down in views, which is driving me nuts.
Like Corby Corby It's like it's going in reverse.
Dude, Corby Hall posted my video and it's got 10,000 views on X and then on YouTube it doesn't even have a thousand views.
And I understand like not everybody who sees the post on X will click play on the video, but it has 10,000 views on X.
How does it and it has like 500 views anyway.
Yeah, that's crazy.
I mean how like I said, how does it go in reverse?
We got Yeah, but from Amy.
>> Yeah, she said she's not famous. Well, she's famous she's famous uh Oh, you're famous to us. I I made you famous.
You're famous [laughter] on the Things with Matt channel now cuz I was just telling everyone how you make good videos. I like your shorts.
You >> Me? Your short videos?
>> [laughter] >> Yeah, hey pull up pull pull let Let share my screen. I'll pull her up real fast so we can show people her shorts.
>> [laughter] >> Where's share screen?
>> in the chat is, do you believe it's a gunshot?
Right.
Anybody in the chat? Is anybody Are there any 30-06 believers in the chat?
>> [snorts] >> Well, I think it I already know where Billy stands on that for sure.
Do you see my >> looks good in shorts as Charlie's Angels said.
Who?
Charlie uh You you those jokes went right over your head. You said kept saying show you her shorts, you know, you uh Oh, her shorts.
I like your shorts and I was like >> stupid. She likes your shorts. She likes your short videos. Well, Charlie's Angels got it. Oh, hey Billy, is your channel named after like noticing that Israel is being Israel? Is that why like the great noticing?
Cuz I love the channel name Now Noticing. It's genius. I have my screen up if you wanted to.
Miss Susan, now uh Easy Killer, that that's Billy. That's uh not Brandy, so she's not the one that pushed the doggy.
Hey uh Daisy Times, I'm not saying that I got your super sticker. I'm just saying I saw that you posted a super sticker.
I I thought you posted on mine. Are either Are any of y'all monetized on YouTube? I'm not, so I don't It must have sent it to Greg. It showed up on mine over here. I I don't know. I don't even know. Do they Do Can you do that with Then Greg, yeah, she gave you a super sticker. You just weren't paying attention.
Oh, well, I I >> You forgot to I actually I was in the middle of thanking her in the chat for it whenever uh uh you chimed in on it.
It's okay, man. It's all right, bro. All right.
Anyway, you're not going to show my screen?
All right, what Guys, what what's our next subject? I was I was going to see if we wanted to in in in the context of the Paven situation, just discuss briefly how that might affect Tyler Robinson's ability to assert his due process rights and maybe get a jury instruction or something.
Yeah, let's do it, man. Let's do it.
>> Yeah, yeah.
Uh you want to let me share screen real quick, Adam? I got a worksheet pulled up. So, I created a good worksheet >> if you want me to shoot you a link, I'll shoot you one on X real quick.
>> Yeah.
So, everybody, this is uh so in well, federal and but we're talking about Utah constitutional rights of Tyler Robinson to object to the fact that they paving over the crime scene, essentially destroying, losing evidence, right? And so, obviously, if his defense, as as Echo was so cogently pointing out earlier, you know, if his defense is prejudiced by this, well, he could potentially assert a due process claim pre-trial. And if successful, you know, not saying it would be dismissed, although that is a possibility, you know, there are other remedies like jury instructions, uh limiting certain types of arguments the state can make, stuff like that. But I made this chart right here, and it's just three questions, but this is generally how the court would review um a due process challenge by Tyler Robinson. So, the first thing like here, Tyler Robinson must show a reasonable probability that the sections of removed grass and dirt, i.e., the lost or destroyed evidence, would have been exculpatory. And so, this is kind of an interesting question to be especially in the context of the definition of exculpatory because, you know, Tyler Robinson doesn't have to He obviously doesn't have to prove it was the rifle, right? Well, he doesn't necessarily have to prove it was any rifle, right? They just want to make sure the jury infers that it wasn't the.30-06. Now, with the ATF report being inconclusive and hence exculpatory in terms of Tyler Robinson as a criminal defendant, let's think about this for a second. You know, would further bullet fragments help his case out any? You see what I mean? Like right now if it's conclusive and they're unable to affirmatively match it, if there were other bullet fragments in the grass or sections of removed dirt, well, that could really go either way.
And now also too, you know, there's been allegations or thoughts, speculation that there might be some explosive residue or maybe perhaps a fragment from a shape charge or something of that effect. You know, obviously if stuff like that was found, that would be further exculpatory, right?
>> Very very exculpatory. Yeah, exculpatory. The context though of him, you know, sitting at this inconclusive ATF report, is this something that he would even really bring up to challenge considering which way it might go here? Any thoughts on that, Ed?
Yeah, well, and that was the kind of issue with regards to like the adult child in their role in the early part of the investigation. Mhm.
They were the one who basically said that they heard someone say he got shot in the neck.
And then I think from there it sort of became narrowed down to the shot on Mosey. And so the defense had basically said that it was prejudiced to sort of and they went a different way with this, I think, but ultimately they the defense was saying like who got your initial evidence from this adult child who through their, you know, trauma may have unduly influenced you to one, even believe that you know, there was a shot from this place and so it goes to the disputing disputing the facts.
But two, and the way they went on it was like did this merit a um um uh And I guess the sort of the timing for when the sort of aggravating um information was coming in was a question because I think the governor was saying, you know, very early on before uh before anyone knew what was going on, you know, we have the death penalty. And so there was a question of are we looking for um some of this aggravating uh you know, evidence and then poof, you get this aggravating evidence. So anyway, so just bringing that up because >> Yeah.
if the way in which the facts became the facts were themselves kind of planted and prejudicial then like, yeah, the adult child doesn't really matter if you have all of this stuff from the internet that is also saying the same thing. But if it's this coordinated um you know, planting of evidence in order to create the illusion that this shot was coming from Losey and then up, we have, you know, a UVU police officer who runs right there and secures the scene and then uh we have FBI coming in and planting this and that and oh, we have, you know, a rifle coming up on New York >> Yeah, it's very convenient all of it.
not exactly sure. So and I mean for that like if that is coming in a different way and it becomes the sort of you know basis for some of this evidence, can you get that thrown out if if it's already clear that the that the prosecution is potentially working with the media to prejudice the um the jury pool when that seems to be the case that is now bringing them into um Anyway, so that's just how I'm looking at >> Yeah, so let let me just see if I got you correct. So you're saying like some of the witnesses who are claiming that it was like a gunshot like to the neck, you're saying that some of them were influenced by the media or other things that they heard. Is that what you were getting at? Um Well, I guess what I'm saying is like, you know, to the question of like, is the defense in on it? Is the crowd in on >> Oh, okay. Okay. Like, are the people who are investigating this in on it? Are the people who are securing the evidence in on it? And they're providing the sort of things that are both exculpatory and inculpatory in order to have like both of these different sides destroying evidence doesn't answer those questions. It allows both of those sort of possibilities to continue going on.
And so my question is basically does that it would seem like if you're willing to overlook the fact that exculpatory evidence was destroyed, then it would help the prosecution.
But if you are of the opinion that no, that exculpatory evidence is potentially inculpatory evidence, then it would it would benefit the prosecution again. And so the only way that the defense can basically handle um dealing with this is basically doing a motion to um I suppose like suppress any evidence that they can't do their own independent testing, which becomes more and more the more the prosecution is destroying that evidence. Yeah, right. Yeah, so and and and that, you know, and a challenge to that would really be, you know, if the defense experts, the defense doesn't have an opportunity to like test the bullet fragment or these other items of you know, forensic evidence, you know, you would really move to suppress that or or exclude that basically under the the discovery rules, right? Like part of discovery is that they have to release this information for independent testing and stuff like that. I don't see judge letting evidence that hasn't been properly analyzed and considered by the defense and its experts in. I mean, sure you could let it in, but you have to give like a a big limiting instruction to the jury and let them know like, "Hey, the defense has That's not even clear here yet. We're like at this point it's like the the the preliminary trial is like July.
Yeah, sometime in July.
The defense already basically said, "We need more time with our expert than would than they would be able to get if they gave it to us now." And they like may not and you know, it's unclear what they've given, but um but they're not even going to show the reports the uh Put me back on. preliminary trial, too. And let me let me say this too. Now, this like when we say a reasonable probability that this evidence would be exculpatory, let think about this in the context of, you know, right now there's a dispute over whether I mean, kind of a lopsided one with us having the better argument, just saying.
But you know, whether Tyler had the ability to even send those Discord messages. Well, obviously they've asked for the video inside Washington County.
I do believe that, you know, presumably would show Tyler at that time when that message was sent, you know, well what was he doing? You know what I'm saying?
What was he doing? Now, if that video is destroyed, right? And all these other document Yeah, and all the other documents and stuff kind of show that no, he probably didn't have his phone on him. So, it seems that that evidence would probably be exculpatory. Now, if they destroy like that evidence, right?
Or or it or destroy it, that definitely, I feel, would would be something that they could make this initial showing on.
Does that make sense? It does, and I guess the ultimate like answer is like whatever the judge says, you Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.
At the end of the day.
Yeah.
So, yeah, okay. So, and it and that's the I think the issue is like is the jury going to overlook all of the lack of chain of custody for all of these things even though the defense had specifically requested it, or is what is like put onto the internet and sort of like looked at and you know, the cops are like, "Oh, TMZ, you know, put it, so therefore it's Yeah. Yeah. This is This is literally probable cause and it allows for them to move forward with probable cause, but it it also doesn't, you know, factor in that reasonable doubt that it we're not even at that point here. So, it I just like we're all going to get sick of it. Like the the county is going to go bankrupt, you know, cuz it takes more money to put a person to death than to like lock them up for life.
Um and we're and we're basically going to either get bored and and you know, if we're if we're looking >> will. years, right?
Well, you know, the unfortunately for them, now that there's these platforms like YouTube and Twitch where people can earn an income while constantly talking about this stuff like >> Yeah, there's going to be a lot of people that hang with that thing.
battle, right? I don't think they're going to win that battle. Um but I know that they're going to, you know, I think they definitely are trying. Like, you know, it's it's Well, I say that. You know, we said earlier too and I'll say, you know, it's a death penalty case, so all these motions that are being filed are kind of within the gambit of of what should be being filed and done. Um but you know, it is it's going to be a long drawn out, you know, tit-for-tat deal.
Does that indicate that, you know, maybe Tyler's attorneys aren't working for him?
I'm not prepared to go that far.
But, yeah, it's going to be a long drawn out deal. That's what I'll say. Do you Do you think, Greg, it's possible that Novak and Burt are not talking to Taylor and Taylor's only talking to Kathy? Is that possible? Or do you think he would definitely be talking to all of them?
>> I would I would hope and assume he's speaking with all of them. But, I'll say this is that if there was one attorney that he would have, you know, personal communication with over the others, it would be Kathy because she's the Utah attorney.
And Novak and Burt are really kind of the expert attorneys that are coming in because they're they're they are they seem to be very knowledgeable about the appellate side. And then I think one of them would be what they call a mitigation attorney.
Yeah, that's good at like arguing against the death penalty. Cuz I guess I wonder if Tyler was in on it and and even said he had done it without doing it, but he told that to Kathy, that would seemingly restrict what the strategy would be as well as kind of what Burt and Novak can even necessarily do.
So, that's I guess one thing. And then, well, you could push back on that.
No, no, no, keep going. You're good.
Yeah, I mean, I I caught what you were saying there. I caught you.
And then, I guess the other thing is maybe I'll I'll just hold off on that for a moment.
>> Yeah. Well, here and what I want to do is go to like let's just assume right now for cuz cuz, you know, like I said, reasonable probability would be exculpatory. You know, we could go back and forth on that. I think it'd be viewed either way. But, in the context of what we just heard about the favors, let's just say that this was true that yes, Tyler could show that these missing pieces of grass had a reasonable probability of being exculpatory form.
Then it goes to okay, well, and this is kind of just, you know, when we were speaking about the uh uh the the sanctions, the uh in contempt, right? I told you, you know, first there's the inquiry of like were they were these statements violative of that order? Basically, were they in contempt? Yes. Well, then to what degree, right? So, like how much bad faith did they have in doing it if any? So, this is the exact same thing.
Once Tyler would be able to show that yes, these sections of grass and dirt, you know, had a reasonable probability of having exculpatory evidence, well, then the court would flip over and say, "Okay, well, what was the reason for the sections of grass being removed, right?"
Like looking at the level of culpability or bad faith Yeah. That's where you can either make an argument or get called crazy. Yeah, so like here, you know, it would be like, you know, the Fed and the governor like personally, you know, instructed that it be removed, you know, for the purpose of beautifying >> That's just crazy.
beautifying, if that's even a word uh if that's a word uh beautifying the UVU campus, you know what I mean? Something that's completely insufficient uh for a reason to have evidence lost or destroyed in a capital murder case like this.
Um you know, so again, that's just kind of like the elements there. But, uh what else did they say could we say there are the reason why it was removed? Um well, I guess that's it, right? They just said it was it was >> Well, I mean, you could So, that would be the Fed slot type of version, right?
But, the key version would be to specifically destroy the the exculpatory evidence.
Yeah. For instance, It's if it if it is a bomb or if it's a shape charge, excuse me, Mike. If it's you know, if it's ketchup on the slipper, right? Like all of this would be um example. And so, you know, on the one hand, the defense is sort of stipulating to the to the facts that the prosecution is laying out by collecting them from these, you know, people who may be in on it or whatever.
Um the defense isn't necessarily making those expected challenges.
Um and and are explicitly saying that, you know, we don't want to think about any of the um conspiracies cuz they're all, you know, insane.
>> [laughter] >> Like if any of those conspiracies are true, they could bring in that evidence after, you know, Tyler gets um you know, uh found guilty and it could undo the entire, you know, it could undo the entire um case, I would imagine, if you bring in uh exculpatory evidence after to sort of show that you didn't do it. Um but they're not >> as insane as the the Feds lot.
And so, yeah, and so, I guess the the question is kind of like what it like it it seems to me that the defense is almost um letting people believe that Tyler did do it.
Um and there's good reasons, like maybe he actually did it, right? Or maybe there's like something, right? Or you can have your own conspiracies.
Or you can basically sort of say like, "No, there's there's literally no part of this that can be actually tied to Tyler. The only thing there are are these artifacts that don't have a chain of custody, that were like found on the internet, that there's a lot of ambiguity about. And like you could forgive the police for believing that that's true, but if it comes to, you know, an actual trial, um none of that is necessarily going to hold up. And if we are sort of at the place where, you know, they're you know, between the probable cause hearing and the trial, they can they can do that, please, so that we don't see anything.
Um and the only the only thing that was sort of projected to be shown was the verbal testimony, I think, of Twiggs, and everything else was either going to be on um monitors facing away from the um from the chamber or uh or potentially in a closed session.
Well, in in Thomas In two, I'll say, you know, the evidence is going to need to be put into the record some and I'm not really sure how they're how they do it there. Like, I don't know like with these reports, these expert 1102 reports, like I don't know if it's been drawn.
Huh? Hey, real fast, I just want to shout out the fake Blake Ben Ben Ben >> Yeah, thank you so much for the super chat. Thank you for the super chat, Blake.
The fake Blake, they don't have enough evidence to hold Tyler.
>> They they don't I mean, I agree. I tend to agree. I mean I mean, they do, right?
Information technically, but now that we've had an opportunity, right, to really start sorting some of this stuff out and we've learned more information about that evidence. Yeah, and I agree with like I know Baron said it before, it's like it's just fell apart from day one. Oh god, it's not done.
>> More or less. I mean, in my opinion.
Greg, is there a possibility he's not in jail?
I mean, you know, in this day and age, I don't discount The reason I bring this out is because like if you look at the assessment, he's like in the green. He's never had a prior charge, right? And so like the only thing that exists is this allegation, and we're not even like at the point where we're like at probable cause, and like a bunch of things have already potentially gotten thrown out of the probable cause hearing.
So, you know, like could he be at home or in, you know, Camp Valhalla or whatever with a little ankle monitor around him?
>> [laughter] >> Camp Valhalla. The squeaking noise that says like uh you know, that says jail, that is sort of meant to you know, promote the illusion, and then he gets walked into this uh court with his armored car. I guess my question is like is there a possibility he's not even in jail or like is he definitely in jail?
Um you know, that's a good question because probably in jail. If he was to be out of jail, that would mean that he would be out on bond. I don't know if they ever even gave him a a bond or set the bond.
>> way he could have bonded out and that not be public though? Well, no. I mean, it generally would be. Now, they could have I I don't I don't see any There would be some entry in the record. Now, it could be again filed under seal. It could have all been done under seal. I don't see anything in the record that indicates that's that happened, but again, you know, I I don't want to discount any possibilities because obviously if Tyler was out on bail, his life would potentially be in danger, right? So, that being considered, I see where if they were going to let him out on bail, if they wanted to keep it private on the DL, I mean, I certainly see that. I think there's some public and perhaps obviously personal interest in doing that. Um so, I don't want to discount that at all. I mean, that that point, no. Um you know, I I do think he is in jail, but again, I I can't say for sure 100%. And then this other question about the showing the autopsy or dropping the case.
Uh Blake's comment, yeah. Yeah, the fake Blake Bednarz. Yeah, the fake Blake.
Thank you so much again for the other super chat. They need to show the autopsy or drop the case. Yeah, and and you know, apparent and the defense acknowledged that they had that autopsy, but they didn't know enough to make anything of it. Apparently, it had pictures on it and I'm not entirely sure what um what those pictures are, obviously. Candace has also sort of she has a a source that [clears throat] um Bless you, yeah. That uh that can definitely um corroborate that or confirm that he is dead.
Um but I guess the question then becomes is this is this what can this autopsy be fake? Obviously, it probably could.
There's also this medical examiner who has signed his name to it.
You know, it sounds like they were next to the um you know, FBI when that uh signature potentially happened.
So, it's uh and then also and also Twiggs uh came in and um you know, with regards to the note, with regards to these pictures, also talking specifically with the FBI um and then the report from the FBI got filtered through the um Utah State Bureau of Investigation to the uh Utah County's office. And so, you've got these like multiple layers of law enforcement that are all kind of you know, um potentially in charge of different information.
You know, you've got Cox there, you've got Trump there, you've got cash there, Bongino, you've got new Utah publics safety new, I think even the hospital people were new or at least one of them. So, it's it's the Yeah, I think this is why people are are wondering if like an autopsy can be fake and so They they legally don't have to show it cuz it's Utah and so that's probably why they picked the state.
>> Yeah, and and I actually covered this in a in a prior live stream that I did, but you know if the defense reason can can show the judge, I will just say, I don't know if this is standard, but let's just say like reasonable probability that there are, you know, material inaccuracies or potential misrepresentations in the autopsy, you know what the relief for that is?
Go and dig up the body, right? That's that's normally like if there's issues about cause of death, stuff like that that rise to a certain level exhumation of the body would be potentially the relief. to do that, right? But they're not going to do that, right?
>> No, I don't think I see no way I mean there would need to be a dire I mean it would it would have to be like the there's a very limited slice of circumstances I could ever see equating to that, but I don't want to say never say never.
Right, and can you imagine the As much as they're trying to cover this up I have a random twist to throw in. Oh, please. And Corby Hall sent me this if Corby ever sees this, I'm I apologize completely forgot about it.
Did you guys hear that Lance Twiggs and Victor Marks might be create connected because they would play video games together online? I hadn't heard that one yet. Dude, can am I changing the subject too much or do you want >> No, you're the conspiracies are never-ending with this. It never ends, no.
And the bad part about it is most of them are pretty plausible.
I think I'm sharing my I'm going to s- Yeah, I would >> how the sound glitches work. I'm going to re-share my screen. For anything with regards to Twiggs, I feel like there's even less evidence than than Tyler.
You know?
>> Um yeah. There's like there's the Turkey Tom thing and then like Daily Mail and I think New York Post have like gotten into and Jesse on Fire has actually uh done some of stuff with uh you know, the gamer angle that Twiggs and Tyler have with Discord and stuff like that. I'm I'd be curious kind of what the um And the problem is this is a This is almost a 4-hour video by this girl I don't give a damn. Right. And she's got like she's good.
She is so annoying. I I mean, she's smart. She's >> she's a hell of a researcher. She's a hell of a researcher.
>> Gosh, she gives a million side comments.
Right. Wait, she >> [laughter] >> She I mean, this this 4-hour could easily be 20 minutes if she Anyway, I'm sorry. [clears throat] I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm just I'm just ranting. I feel so mean now.
>> I know what you mean.
>> though. Yeah. Corby sent me this, so I don't give a damn. If you ever see this, just know Corby Hall is a fan and that's a that's a flex.
That's a flex.
>> over Lance Twiggs' uh Steam profile and he's got all these different names, Mindly Menacing. And she's connecting all these people.
Lance Twiggs I'm just going to have to She's a hell of a researcher. Yeah, she Dude, she goes real thorough into all this too. Like Like if you see down here on the bottom right Oh, you can't really see, can you?
Um Down here in the bottom right, I don't know if you all can read that, but it's all of Lance's names, Fluxolati, Lanceloti, Lancelot, Lancelot the Spooky, Lancelot, Madison's Behind.
Disposhionfree, [laughter] Sir Lancelot. He's got all these usernames.
And then at some point in the video it'll take me way too long to find it though cuz this is so long.
But Corby Hall watched the whole thing and is explaining to me. I was like Corby you got to tell me what I'm supposed to be looking for cuz this is too long. I don't have time Break it down. Give me some time stamps or something.
>> put a cats as like like like highlights for her thing like for the cat owner They're like cats outside the box like she was like marking the document Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She was.
That's funny. Look Flux Alotey. So eventually she finds I'm not going to be able to find it guys. It's so long but on Lance Lance shares a screenshot or something and on his friend list on Steam is Victor Marx's profile. It might be this actually right here. Crafton I don't know if I think that was the an early one of his or Of Lance. This is in Utah. Where's uh I guess is Victor always in Colorado or is he is he new to Colorado? Has he always been in Colorado? He's the king of Colorado. He's is that where he's just been? He's the king pastor of Colorado. I'm not going to be able to find the image but it's an image of Lance's friendship with Victor on Steam.
How Oh I think this is this is Victor I think.
No I don't I don't know.
>> that do you know that right? Like and this is would be my question for kind of all of these Hey and this is how they force people to do stuff. I mean with all the between games and Discord and everything.
If you go look at the Sorry Eco I I think I'm Eco if you are wondering how they know it's Victor if you go in the comment section everyone else is asking the same thing and you'll find the answer somewhere in the uh comment section. But again he can't find it in his four and a half hour.
No I I didn't watch the the thing. No worries. Anyway it's an it's a it's a question that I think is pops up, you know, like how do you source all of this and it it it comes to some something and it's and it's sort of this way or that. You can kind of go either way.
But I I don't know for sure. I'll have to I'll have to double check on on this.
>> It's it's crazy. It's just it's just amazing to me that there is even like, you know, a poss- possibilities of some of these connections. It's just like, the chances of some of these people being connected, you know, is just Well, if if if it turns out that I mean, cuz keep in mind Victor just said on Candace's show that Victor's been working with the CIA for years, like over 10 years. Dude, if he's been working with the CIA, uh then it's not the craziest thing that they would tell him to go on Steam and befriend and befriend this username Lance Lancelot. Yeah. Victor Victor Anyway, if the the text Corby sent me about this, I want to read real fast.
Um I said uh something Oh, I I can't watch I got Barry Melton Andrew Colvin now. That's cute.
He says, "This is Corby Hall. If Lance had a picture of Victor Marks on his stream profile, it means that Lance had some kind of obsession with Victor. I believe that Victor identifies patsies for domestic operations. This is where it gets really inter- Keep in mind, y'all, Corby Hall knows Victor better than all of us." Well, he's running against him, right? Is that what I heard? No, uh Corby Hall is used to be friends with Victor. Corby Hall owns a gun company that makes foldable AR-15s.
He was friends with Victor Marks because Victor is obsessed with guns. Well, basically, Victor reached out to try to get some kind of a professional relationship going, correct? And then, you know, it didn't take long before he realized that Victor Marks is a is crazy case. Yeah. Yeah, and uh keep in mind Eco Victor is the perfect like CIA CIA operative who pretends to be a Christian and wins over Christian people. Corby Hall is an actual Christian. So, I can I can imagine Victor uses this like Christian lingo to be like, "Oh yeah, Corby, you know, I'm a man of faith, too. We should be friends. I think we can help each other. Your your gun company, I can get these guns over to Israel. Don't you want to help out Israel? You're a Christian." And Corby is like Corby sees through it. Uh but So, anyway, Yeah, no, [clears throat] it was it was interesting also the um the sort of trafficking um comments that were coming up and um and also, you know, connecting uh trafficking to um Wasn't Cutler and Ballard part of this?
Yeah, have you ever seen so many trafficking-adjacent people in your life?
>> Mike Mike Mitchell's part of a sort of sex crimes unit um and they're sort of all kind of planting fake, you know, stuff to entice people to kind of get uh in trouble and and, you know, have these profiles and stuff. And then also, you've got Erica with her stuff uh and the Romanian angels. You've got I mean, there's a lot. Yeah, what's the What's that pastor's name um that they're doing the the Mike Haven crowded tour? Um what's his name? Uh Uh Greg Laurie.
>> Greg Laurie. Oh, Greg Laurie, yeah.
Yeah. Wait, let me uh read this real fast what Corby I Well, you know what? I don't know if I Actually, I don't know if I should be sharing this. I I usually ask people for permission before I read their text messages.
Do it nationally, yeah, right. And he Let me just [laughter] put it this way, he thinks it's possible that Victor >> Victor went online, con- found Lance, and and that Victor might actually be trained at finding patsies. Oh, wow.
Interesting. And uh yeah, so if you look then you go watch the Candace Owens thing and Victor openly talks about working with the CIA for 10 years.
Mhm. Then it's not that crazy to think he might know how to He might be a little smarter than he gives off cuz he plays the I'm a dumb dumb He kind of plays off like he's dumb or something. I think he plays himself down. I think one I think he's on drugs.
Two, I think he is smarter than he pretends to be in a bad way. Oh, yeah.
Um and you know, one thing about one thing about it um so the the creepiest most to me damning most just just insane to me is the fact that um with the text message that he sent to Erica basically um right after Charlie had had died saying that um They only >> No, what was it? They only wanted Charlie, you know, They only wanted Charlie.
>> safe. Yeah, you and the kids are safe. Pretty much like Farnsworth, right? And kind of they got him and Well, I mean a lot of media was sort of using or a lot of interviews were were having people on that were were using the they they pronoun.
>> yeah.
For sure. But but though for him to do that though, I mean when when you reach out to somebody directly, you know, and privately, I mean like you send her a text message and say, "Hey, don't worry, you and the kids are safe. They only wanted Charlie."
That is a very definitive statement and to make a statement like that you either have to be completely full of [ __ ] which is a possibility, or or I mean by making that statement you are claiming you are putting yourself out like you know who and why.
I mean, there's no other way to take that that message. Who Who said that, Adam? Victor Marx did.
>> Okay. Okay, that's what I thought. Okay.
>> Yeah. And so, this is the thing that I thought of as soon as he said that.
Yeah, there's the CIA stuff and all that, but um remember Candace was asking him about how he got in uh to certain places and was able to do certain things when he was over there in Israel, you know, um and he went to the West Bank and over there to Gaza and all that. And what did he say?
I don't work with the governments, I work around the governments.
>> Well, but that and but besides that, I mean, >> [laughter] >> he said I have really close relationships with really high people up in the IDF, you know. Oh, surely not.
Oh, yeah.
So, when you kind of when you kind of think of that and um who do a lot of people think kind of orchestrated this whole deal?
Um you know, to me >> [laughter] >> you could deduce that down to, you know, hey, it was Israel, you know, but I know some higher-up IDF and they only wanted Charlie, you're safe. I mean, like >> Yeah. when you put two and two together, I mean, like it's hard to take it any other way.
Yeah.
>> Oh, we got Cisco in the building.
Hey, this this comedian's good. I like that comedian.
>> Yeah, he's He's going to take everything you guys have been talking about and sum it up in 45 seconds of pure gold. Are you ready?
>> good.
You ready? Take notes, buddy bear.
I didn't even know that was in their wheelhouse. It was literally a video, you have this Iranian general just sitting in a chair with his face blurred. He's speaking in English, which means it's to me, okay? But he has an Iranian I think cuz I lived in LA for 10 years.
Let me tell you about it, Charlie Kirk.
I'm like, what do you got for me, general? And he's like, did you know Charlie Kirk was killed by your government? I was like, yes, I did know that. I did. I did actually. He's like, well, while we were hacking Kash Patel for funzies, we got into your FBI's mainframe, no big deal. Apparently the password's Valhalla 1 2 3.
>> [laughter] >> It revealed that he plotted the murder of Charlie Kirk. And it didn't go ACCORDING TO PLAN.
>> WHAT? OUR GOVERNMENT botched an assassination attempt?
>> [laughter] >> Well, no. Charlie Kirk was not killed by a bullet. He was killed by an explosive device planted into his microphone that was clipped to his shirt. Oh, [ __ ] Mind blown. Better choice of words, sure. I'm sure a lot of people are asking, what? Who could even plan this >> sound gray then? small piece of technology, detonator remote. Who would do that? But it's a thing. And it is real. And it is real. And it is real.
And it is real.
>> [laughter] >> And it is real. And it is real. Thank you patriots of Tel Aviv. By the way, where do we get this? Trevor, SFI? What is it? Tel Aviv Tech? Okay.
He said the device was supposed to explode downward into Charlie's chest cavity to make it seem like a clean gunshot wound to the chest so we would all be like, oh my god, he was shot. And they thumbs up the fake Tyler on the roof. They're like, good job, buddy.
We'll see you in Valhalla.
>> [laughter] >> It misfired. Like where am I heard that from? And a piece of shrapnel shot through Charlie's neck and it came out to the place that we were supposed to see the bullet going in. Now, this was the part that he said that blew Okay.
This was the part he said [laughter] that really opened my eyes. He said, because it misfired and because it exploded in all sorts of which ways, a bunch of pieces of shrapnel flew everywhere and a lot of them went down and lodged themselves deep into the concrete where Charlie Kirk was speaking. And this is why the next day a bunch of people came to repave the entire area. So Charlie Kirk is shot and the next morning a bunch of random guys of Israel come and start repaving THE ENTIRE ASPHALT. IT'S LIKE YOU COULDN'T CHOSE A BETTER TIME TO DO THAT. This is literally the weirdest, most eerie part of the Charlie Kirk case aside from Erica. It is the [laughter] second strangest part about the case. Like if YOU WERE WATCHING A CRIME DRAMA, like CSI or M, and somebody gets shot and then like moments later they're like, oh, nothing to see here. We're just repaving the whole area. THAT WOULD BE LIKE A 10-PART SERIES WHERE THEY'RE TRYING TO FIGURE out like, who the [ __ ] are these contractors?
>> [laughter] >> And it was like, this is how you know it was your government who killed Charlie Kirk. Like like, is this how you know that it was your government who killed Charlie Kirk?
Uh it fell I was like, do you have Lego contest?
Do you guys think the Iranian government really did hack our government?
I'm sure they have. I think that's just the story that like we like telling cuz everything that they claim is all stuff I already believe. So I am inclined to say haha yes, they did hack our government and they saying is right. But isn't it like there's that or looks like Israel almost like planted the Iranian story that said in order to do what you were saying which is like create a completely absurd um uh you know, disinformation Look, when you have a president when you have a president that literally runs his whole campaign and everything based off of America first and no longer letting any other nations no matter who they are even if they're like the size of New Jersey um you know, keeping them from taking advantage of us and so on and so forth.
Um what better way to rein them in and get them under control than to try to assassinate them three times?
But if you do that, you know, people start looking at you.
So it look like Iran and then when he comes into office the second time, you give him a nice shiny gold pager in a glass case to sit on his desk. That way he can constantly be reminded of how we can reach out and touch you any day any time.
You know, this was an ongoing this was an ongoing operation went on for 10 years, you know?
Yeah.
No amount of secret service in the it just uh that's the way I look at that's the way I look at it. I think that, yeah, they did all of it. Hell, they probably are the ones that did the hacking and all that. They probably just dropped it and made it look like it was Iran.
Yeah.
Which Iran does have a pretty good, you know, cyber They usually like deface banks though, I think.
>> [laughter] >> Instead, they got into Krossfire Cash Patel's email.
>> [laughter] >> Yeah, right.
Um, I mean, it's it's The thing is like you don't know, right? Like you could Maybe, maybe not, you know. So, yeah.
Did Did y'all see the crazy post about from Gabriella Kuchia?
Uh, I'll share my screen again real fast.
Um, this Candace Owens posted it.
Both reposted it.
Uh, this thing, have you guys seen this yet?
Uh, no.
You may be wondering two things. What happened to Trump? Who is he listening to? Why does it feel like the internet isn't real and engagement is fluctuating based on particular topics lately?
I think I can help answer both questions. There is a company called Vine and Fig Tree, VFT. It's a pro-Israel organization with ties to the administration. Earlier this year, VFT was at the White House meeting with Sebastian Gorka. Mhm. Shortly after that White House meeting, I was contacted through a third party and asked to script write for VFT. The individual who contacted me is publicly very Christian and widely perceived as America First. I was told the script would be used to create an AI-generated video on behalf of the White House, specifically for NSC and Sebastian Gorka. They told me, "Yeah, we have to do this on behalf of them, the administration, because they don't want it to look like it's actually coming from the White House. You know what I mean? I mean, it worked out for them and Nick Fuentes. Mhm. I was then given a Dropbox link containing research, polling data, internal comments, and strategy material compiled by VFT and the third party involved.
Inside the Dropbox were seven folders.
Through those documents, I learned more about what this organization actually does. Here comes the frightening part that pisses me off.
The reports monitor major conservative and dissident right accounts. That's all of us.
Even though Eco, you kind of seem like a lefty. Are you a lefty or are you a righty?
I don't do identity politics.
>> Yeah, honestly.
I generally lean more right.
>> [laughter] >> Yeah, I'll tell you I am a libertarian, but I'm definitely flaming conservative.
Anyway, um dissident right accounts.
They frequently frame those accounts as vulnerable to or participating in foreign influence operations. They're framing these accounts.
The reports include information regarding Nick Fuentes, Hodge Twins, Real Candace, Tucker Carlson, Jackson whatever, Ian Carroll, Mario Nafal, and just to name a few.
They also collected polling and response data surrounding Joe Kent's resignation from the administration. And they added or Tulsi Tulsi Gabbard to that now, right? Yep. Oh, and she says that they were going after smaller YouTubers, too.
Oh, this is the part I think that I'm about to say.
In another report, they argue that distrust surrounding Charlie Kirk's assassination was mostly due to Americans falling for Russian, Iranian, and Pakistani propaganda networks.
>> Right, there you go.
In that same Charlie Kirk report, they state this representa- This represents an urgent national security threat and demands a whole-of-government response on par with cyber attacks or terrorism.
The internal comments attached to these reports are what stood out most. They talk about going after Fuentes.
Stating undermining his Christian identity is probably a good idea.
They contemplate getting Matt Walsh or Michael Knowles to publish on behalf of VFT.
They suggest collaborating with NCRI funded by funded by Joel Finkelstein, a multi-million dollar organization that tracks hate speech on social media.
Another internal comment weighs in on how they will advise politicians based on their data, which also compiles info surrounding J.D. Vance's 28 2028 run.
There is definitely a way to use this in our favor. Tell politicians that there are two wings of the party, they don't overlap, the majority lies here, and this is where you should be if you want to get reelected. I mean, we we see them doing this already, but Anyway, uh this is this is an extremely interesting thing. I highly suggest everyone go look at, but it really once you look into all this, it really makes me think they're coming after small YouTubers like me who are blowing up for exposing the Charlie Kirk assassination story being fake. Yep. I mean, they're not just going after the big guys. She's just naming all the big guys because you'll recognize their names. They're going after everybody that doesn't uh have the narrative that they have.
Well, it's not like they can hold the money part over my head, you know, so cuz I'm Who's blessing here, yeah. If you guys don't know the Google that chill or or uh you know, make sure people are not uh saying what they're not supposed to. But also, I mean, like it it also, you You there are multiple intelligences that are probably running psyops or at least information um sources into the country in different ways, right? And just like the US does that with other places. So, you know, it could be multiple intelligences sort of fighting each other for who's got the president's ear or all sorts of different things. So, I mean, I have no clue about this, but it's uh it I'm skeptical of everything at this point now. Yeah, I have to be good at it.
>> [laughter] >> You know, It's so annoying. I'll I'll find it Oh, sorry, go for Greg.
>> No, no, go ahead, Matt. You're good.
I'll find a I'll find a YouTuber I like and I'll start talking about them in my videos and then everyone in my comment section will go, "Oh, no, no, no, you can't trust that person. Don't you know what that person said last week?
Don't you know?"
Like, come on.
Yeah, it's like, [ __ ] anyone. No, but it >> Well, I became I became friends with Matt D'Avella and then one person started messaging me privately that Matt D'Avella is hired by the government to come give me disinformation and to win me over and to manipulate me. Uh-oh.
>> Well, the joke's on them. I said, "I don't I don't think so. I think he's kind of a nice guy." He doesn't even respond to me anymore. So, Matt, we love you. We miss you, Matt D'Avella.
Yeah. We got We got Blake, we got Billy.
Who else is in the chat? We got all sorts of people.
>> Yeah, we got all kinds of celebrities.
This has been a This has been a a very, very productive productive live stream.
>> Yeah, I really enjoyed this. Yeah, man.
Um you know, Guys, I hate to, but I'm fixing to have to go get my kids. I look, y'all can stay Y'all can stay on here as long as you want. I mean, like, the stream's running. I'm going [snorts] to say peace, too. I'm not trying to cut it short, but >> Yeah, I'm going to I'm going to go grab a bite to eat and lay her down in a minute, but I enjoyed it. Like, hopefully we can do this more often, man.
>> Yeah, we can definitely do this again.
We can do this, you know, I say we start doing it. Well, you know, we already us three had even talked about doing Fridays and Echo, of course, anytime you're anytime you want to pop in, you're welcome.
>> Yeah, Echo. Yeah, and there's a bunch of court coming up over the next several weeks. There were at least a couple court dates coming up over the next couple three weeks. So, it'd be, you know, in that regard, we'll have plenty of content.
>> Plenty to need to talk about. Yeah.
>> Let's go. There's something every day with this thing, man. It's every day there's there's always something to learn and, you know, so yeah. Yeah, I got a couple things I'm putting together, too. So, I'll have plenty to talk about in the meantime, of course, so.
Cool beans. Yeah, yeah. Everybody plug y'all's stuff before we get out of here, though. You know, you got to do that.
Sure.
Uh Ecological Crime on Exile is just through my uh little new new Eco-Criminal Report um thing on uh in the chat there, so. All right. And >> thank you, Echo. Yeah, good good work, man. He does good Echo does good work.
>> I actually put everybody's links in my description, so, you know.
Um yeah, Echo, I don't have You're the only one I don't have your the Friends, if you want to subscribe to any of these people, look at the description of this video. I don't have Echo's uh link yet, but I'll put that in like right now. Hey, I got all of them in mine.
>> them all in mine, too. I'll I'll go back and edit mine to include everybody's links. Cool.
>> Okay. Yeah, I'm going to say goodbye.
See you guys. Have a good night. Hey, man, it was fun. It was real fun, and hey, we're all friends with Matt, right?
That's right. We're friends with Matt, man.
>> If you're watching this live stream, you are friends with Matt. And Greg, and Echo, and Adam.
>> [laughter] >> Yeah.
All right, buddy. Um all right, guys.
So, I guess we'll call it there. Um we'll let's we'll stay stay touch, and we'll definitely do this again real soon. Cool, man. I love doing it. Thank y'all. Yeah, I enjoyed it and God bless and uh y'all enjoy the rest of your weekend, man. Yeah, absolutely. You, too.
All right. See y'all, man. All right, buddy. See you. See y'all.
All right, guys. That's it. I'm going to kill her here, I guess. Y'all have a good night. Y'all have a good rest of y'alls weekend or good weekend. And um yeah, pinned in the top of the chats my three links. If anybody can, would that's where all my um air quotes super stickers and super chats got to go. So, anyway, I got Venmo, Cash App, PayPal.
Um and besides that, like I said, y'all have a great weekend.
Go back and watch the replay. Anybody that's just popping in, um we're sorry we missed you, but make sure you make sure and and show up popping there next time. So, all right, guys. Thanks. Love y'all.
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