Trump Supporter Gets Cornered In Abortion Debate

[00:00:02]18 Do you support Trump?

[00:00:05]Yes.

[00:00:06]Okay, if you had to vote today Harris versus Trump, who would you rather vote for?

[00:00:11]Um, Trump.

[00:00:13]Okay, and uh what's your birth year?

[00:00:16]2007 And uh what month, sorry?

[00:00:20]September Okay, and uh why do you support Trump?

[00:00:25]Uh I just think he's a little bit of a better option uh to vote for than I I wouldn't say I say there's definitely better options for presidents, but from from what I know I don't I don't get too much into politics, but from what I seen I think he's a better option than Kamala Harris though.

[00:00:54]Okay. All righty, and why is that?

[00:00:58]Well there's I feel like his belief his beliefs align a lot more with mine, especially religion.

[00:01:17]Okay, and uh how so?

[00:01:21]Um like views on abortion is a big one and So you think if they want any legal access to abortion, if a candidate wants any legal access to abortion, you would say that's a red line you're not willing to support them, right?

[00:01:39]It kind of depends.

[00:01:41]What does it depend on?

[00:01:44]Um I I think if it's rape or incest, I think they should have a choice.

[00:01:51]Okay, I'm talking like elective circumstances.

[00:01:56]Uh What do you mean like?

[00:01:58]>> Yeah, like why do you think abortion is wrong in general?

[00:02:01]Is it just because of a religious prescription? It's a sin?

[00:02:05]No, I wouldn't say it I wouldn't say it never says anything in the Bible about like it never says abortion is a sin so but I just feel it's letting a person like not live.

[00:02:24]It's letting a person not live.

[00:02:27]We're not giving up a person that would have lived you just don't let them live. Yeah.

[00:02:34]Okay, so when does personhood begin?

[00:02:39]What was that? When does personhood begin?

[00:02:46]Personhood well, I'd say person maybe when they're the baby is like one.

[00:02:55]The baby's one?

[00:02:57]Yeah. What?

[00:02:59]What are you talking about bro? What do you mean personhood begins when the baby's one? What the [ __ ] does that mean? Dude, I've never heard that word personhood. You said the reason why it was valuable is because it's a person.

[00:03:11]So you're saying it's not valuable until [ __ ] one years old? What are you talking about? That's unhinged.

[00:03:18]It's not valid at all.

[00:03:20]What are you talking about?

[00:03:22]What's the definition of personhood?

[00:03:24]That's the word you just used. You just used the word person, right?

[00:03:28]For me it's going to be based in subjective experience. For you, I don't know what the hell it's based in.

[00:03:33]There's some other characteristic it seems.

[00:03:37]I don't know what comes at one year.

[00:03:41]What's being someone actually being like a person like that they can talk at one year, they can walk basically at one year.

[00:03:50]So talking and walking means you're a person?

[00:03:53]I mean the babies that just come out, they're not >> a newborn is a person?

[00:04:00]I think a newborn is a person.

[00:04:02]>> Talking like You think babble babble babble is that talking?

[00:04:06]>> [laughter] >> No, not really, no. Yeah, okay, so and also like you wouldn't say that they're able to like walk completely, right?

[00:04:13]They they they kind of stumble a little bit.

[00:04:16]>> that's the start of walking, yeah. Yeah.

[00:04:19]Okay, come on. Come on, bro, like that Seriously, that What is the standard? What is this is not a standard for personhood. That by his definition, those who can't walk and those who can't walk are not a person.

[00:04:29]>> it's like an insane position, so I'm like you don't actually think that.

[00:04:32]Okay, so like when you when you say personhood, what do you what do you Are you saying that that's like the basis of value for human beings?

[00:04:40]When that begins or what were you saying? I don't think it matters whether a person is in the womb or out of the womb. It's it's still um it's still a human. Okay, do you think it's valuable at conception? Is that your position?

[00:04:55]Yeah. Okay, so do you think that uh for example, if there was like a zygote in a petri dish, if I were to slap it and kill it, destroy the petri dish, kill the zygote, do you think that that would be murder under your view?

[00:05:09]Well, would I be a murderer?

[00:05:15]How would it live anyways?

[00:05:17]What?

[00:05:19]If it was in a petri dish, would it How would it even live if it's not in You destroy the petri dish, it can't continue to survive. I'm saying I killed it. If I did it for TikTok and YouTube content, should I go to jail? Did I commit murder?

[00:05:32]What? Do I get first degree? No, you wouldn't go to jail. You don't think I should go to jail?

[00:05:38]Um well, the baby the zygote won't live, won't become a human.

[00:05:47]That zygote in a petri dish, correct?

[00:05:50]Well, you said it was valuable at conception. Conception's already occurred. It's a zygote.

[00:05:54]Well, how is it out of a human being?

[00:05:57]How is it not in a woman?

[00:05:59]Because you can cause you can have a sperm and an egg and in a petri dish and you cause fertilization.

[00:06:08]Well, what where does it go from that? Just It's a It's just a It's a petri dish and it's a It's a zygote. And you said it's valuable at the point of conception.

[00:06:16]Conception has occurred. You're saying it's already a person and it's valuable.

[00:06:20]Okay.

[00:06:21]>> Well, that And that's what you're saying. Well, then what you're saying is that it would be murder for me to kill said zygote.

[00:06:27]Right? Wait, will Will that be a human though, the zygote? Under your view, it already is a human being.

[00:06:33]Well, will it be a >> Under your view, it already is a person.

[00:06:38]Well, it's Yeah, it is a human. I It's not It's So, the zygote in the petri dish now, will it become a human? Or will it It'll It'll become a human, right?

[00:06:56]Connie, thank you for the galaxy. Do you know what a zygote is?

[00:07:00]Um like the first step of um right after conception.

[00:07:09]Okay. You said life We agree life life begins begins at conception. You said it's valuable at conception. So, you're saying it's already valuable at that point. Do you think it's a person? I don't think it's a person. It's a [ __ ] single-cell organism.

[00:07:23]Okay, it's a part of the human species, but it's a single-cell [ __ ] organism.

[00:07:26]Now, under your view, you think that's a damn human being. And I'm just asking you if I were to kill it, do you think that that's murder? And do you think I should go to jail?

[00:07:39]Um I think yeah, that's murder.

[00:07:44]Yeah, so you think I should go to jail?

[00:07:45]You think I'm a murderer if I killed the zygote?

[00:07:50]Uh I don't think you should go to jail, but So you think murderers shouldn't go to jail?

[00:08:00]Like if you see a video of of someone murdering someone, you don't think the person who murdered the other person Yeah, yeah, they should go to jail.

[00:08:07]>> should go to jail?

[00:08:09]Yeah.

[00:08:10]Yeah, they should? Okay, so you don't think it's murder.

[00:08:13]Because you said I did I shouldn't go to jail.

[00:08:17]Well, I There you can't go to jail right now for that cuz it's not considered murder.

[00:08:25]Yeah, but would the question is whether or not you think someone should go to jail for it.

[00:08:29]Um if they prevent a human, yeah, I think they should.

[00:08:35]So so if I were to slap the zygote, right? You think I should go to jail?

[00:08:40]Yeah.

[00:08:41]Okay, so did you know within the context of the IVF process currently that we will discard many zygotes and embryos per patient?

[00:08:49]Like multiple?

[00:08:51]Tina, think of the canyon. So given that you figured that out to be true, do you think that all the people who are involved in this process of discarding zygotes, do you think they're serial murderers?

[00:09:02]Well, is is it their intent to do that?

[00:09:04]Are they like, "Let's kill these zygotes." It doesn't matter.

[00:09:07]Yes, cuz [clears throat] murder needs to >> They don't think it's a person. They don't think it's a person.

[00:09:13]They don't think it's a person, but it is their intent to kill it, yeah. It's their intent to discard it, yeah.

[00:09:18]But they don't think it's a person.

[00:09:22]Why would they? It's a [ __ ] single-cell organism, my guy.

[00:09:26]So the amount of cells matters whether someone is a person or not?

[00:09:31]Yeah, if it's a single [ __ ] cell organism, yeah, I think that's pretty relevant.

[00:09:37]Dude, a literal single-celled organism, my guy. But it's But it is going to be a human, so It's going to or it is a human, make up your mind.

[00:09:48]Well what's the definition of a human?

[00:09:53]Dude, why are you asking me that question? This is your This is your definition, your understanding of the term that you're saying you're basing it on. If you're going to base it on my definition, my understanding, well, then you're not going to value it until it's sentient.

[00:10:07]Which means you'll probably end up with a pro-choice position.

[00:10:14]Do you want to swipe back into the app?

[00:10:15]Also, like if I were to ask you this Let me ask you this question. If you're in a burning building and you can either save 100 zygotes or one newborn baby, which would you rather save?

[00:10:26]Um What What are these zygotes? Are they in These are just I don't I'm not 100% sure how a uh So, these zygotes are like in a lab, right?

[00:10:42]Yeah.

[00:10:43]So, how does this How does this work? Are they Do they put them in a mother?

[00:10:50]It Yes, in the in at some point in the future, there will be someone specifically that will carry the pregnancy to term, yes. Okay. I would save the zygotes. So, hold up. So, just to clarify, you would let the baby burn alive to save the zygotes?

[00:11:06]Yeah. That you could just recreate?

[00:11:10]What So, why does it matter if you can recreate it? Cuz you can't recreate a newborn.

[00:11:17]Right? That newborn will forever be gone. But those zygotes, they didn't have an experience, so you can recreate the zygotes. What do you mean experience?

[00:11:26]What do you mean What do you mean expe- Do you think a newborn has any a subjective experience?

[00:11:31]They just [ __ ] like cry and like just lay there. That's not really an experience.

[00:11:38]>> I don't think you have a subjective experience. Jesus Christ, dude. Holy [ __ ] what's going on?

[00:11:43]>> a crying baby is not experiencing something?

[00:11:48]Dude, dude, come on. Obviously, it's experiencing something. There's no way you're just you're just figuring this out today that newborn babies have experiences.

[00:11:58]Are you [ __ ] serious, bro? Come on.

[00:12:01]Why did I have to tell you this? How old are you, bro?

[00:12:06]I'm 18. Dude, yeah, as an 18-year-old, you should understand that a newborn has a subjective experience, right?

[00:12:14]Is experiencing things?

[00:12:16]You can make a new newborn baby just like you make a new zygote. You can make >> no, no. The reason why is because the individual subjective experience will never come back of that individual.

[00:12:28]Right? But when it comes to zygotes, they don't have these individualized subjective experiences. So, in in of itself, it's just a cellular human organism, right? That that's all it is.

[00:12:39]Also, by the way, can we just talk about also the fact that this baby that's burning will feel pain and a zygote will never be able to feel pain. Like Like you don't understand that, right? Right?

[00:12:49]Like a baby will be screaming because it's burning alive, whereas the zygote has nothing to feel pain. It has no It has no It has no pain.

[00:12:57]>> the zygotes. You have to use a microscope to look at the zygotes. Like literally, we're talking about like you would let a burning you you'd let the newborn newborn burn alive crying to save some microscopic [ __ ] zygotes?

[00:13:16]Come on, bro.

[00:13:18]I don't know what to say. They're They're going to be humans just like the newborn baby.

[00:13:23]They're going to be human just like a newborn baby. What does that supposed to mean?

[00:13:27]They're going to be humans.

[00:13:29]Yeah, so >> And Yeah.

[00:13:31]>> I Okay. Yes.

[00:13:33]>> future?

[00:13:35]Right now it's a microscopic organism.

[00:13:38]I mean, I would argue it's still human even at the moment. Yeah, it's still human, so But it right now it's microscopic and you're saying that you value it?

[00:13:48]Yes, I value it. Over the newborn?

[00:13:50]>> Say Say you How about this? How about this? Two two zygotes or one newborn baby?

[00:14:00]Well, what's the chance of a zygote becoming a baby?

[00:14:05]>> [snorts] >> 100%. We're going to assume that.

[00:14:09]Um if it's 100% and what are these zygotes? Are they just random zygotes in a lab or just just random zygotes? Yeah, just random zygotes.

[00:14:21]What if it was my What if it was me and my girlfriend had a zygote zygotes?

[00:14:28]Then it would change.

[00:14:30]>> I don't I don't know why you're bringing yourself into the analogy.

[00:14:33]And what if unicorns existed?

[00:14:36]If What if I would pro- I guess I would choose the baby then, I guess.

[00:14:42]You choose what?

[00:14:46]The the newborn. The newborn? Why would you choose the newborn over the two zygotes? I thought you value them as people.

[00:14:51]Why would you pick one person over two people under your own view?

[00:15:01]I Uh I'd save the I'd save the zygote zygotes two zygotes.

[00:15:06]>> [laughter] >> You'd save two zygotes over a newborn baby? Are you kidding me, bro?

[00:15:12]You'd save two you Why?

[00:15:17]You just learned what a zygote was today.

[00:15:21]They're 100 No, I didn't. If they're 100% >> You You literally did. We We had the conversation. You just learned what a zygote was today.

[00:15:28]>> You asked me to define zygote. I said uh the first like the first part of pregnancy.

[00:15:34]>> that after I defined it for you?

[00:15:38]No, I don't think you defined it.

[00:15:40]>> Okay, yeah. You're right.

[00:15:46]You're totally right. You're totally right, man.

[00:15:48]>> Um I would but you said it You said there's a 100% chance that the zygotes are going to become Yeah.

[00:16:00]>> babies, which is Yeah, in the future.

[00:16:02]>> which is not Yeah, so what would you let the newborn burn alive because you want to save the microscopic zygotes, two of them by the way, just two?

[00:16:16]If the But that's not that's not realistic.

[00:16:20]That's not realis- realistic analogy because it wouldn't be 100% chance the zygotes were become babies.

[00:16:29]Wait, wait, say that one more time.

[00:16:32]It's not a realistic analogy cuz it there's not a 100% chance that the zygotes would become babies.

[00:16:39]Well, we're assuming that's true. You're And you're saving And you're saying still that you'd rather save this.

[00:16:50]This is what you're saving, two of these over a newborn.

[00:16:54]Two of these.

[00:16:57]This is what you want to save over the newborn.

[00:17:00]Let me just be very clear here.

[00:17:02]This is under a microscope.

[00:17:05]This.

[00:17:08]And it's going to be a baby.

[00:17:12]What?

[00:17:13]It's It'll It'll be a baby though.

[00:17:16]Okay, it but like you save a newborn, a real baby that exists.

[00:17:21]What What the [ __ ] That's What does it matter if someone's going to be a baby or if something is a baby or going to be a baby?

[00:17:30]Dude, I'm sorry. Just like genuinely, literally, you would save you would save the zygote over the baby. Are you serious?

[00:17:38]You'd look at the baby literally and you'd be like, "No. No, not saving the baby."

[00:17:44]>> actually Instead, you know what we're going to save? You know what we're going to save?

[00:17:48]No, okay. We're going to save the zygote. We're going to save the zygote actually, everybody. Look at this. Would you rather save the newborn baby or the zygote, everybody? I You know what? I think I think I'm going to pick the single-cell organism. Two of them, please, over the newborn. Let the newborn burn alive actually. Burn alive, please. Newborn, okay. Actually, okay.

[00:18:10]That's good.

[00:18:11]>> [laughter] >> Well, frankly, I guess I'd save the baby.

[00:18:14]Come on, I said I'd save the baby. I guess If it actually You do not think that. You do not think that, bro. Stop.

[00:18:20]Stop, dude. What are you talking about?

[00:18:24]Do you actually think that?

[00:18:26]Okay, if it actually was happening, no, I'm going to save the baby.

[00:18:29]>> You totally are going to save the baby.

[00:18:31]That's what I'm saying. What do you mean? What do you mean with this [ __ ] like of Oh, yeah, I think I would save the zygotes. No, you wouldn't. Frankly, frankly, I guess I'd save the baby. Okay, so then if you if you would save the baby, then you have to acknowledge you've either to be a distinction in the level of value that you place upon babies, all right, than you place upon zygotes. Why do you think that is?

[00:18:53]Um cuz babies cute.

[00:19:02]Dude, I just I can't even have a conversation with you. I just can't do this anymore, man. I just can't do it. I can't do it, man. I'm losing brain cells. I'm losing brain cells.

[00:19:11]>> [laughter] >> I can't do this anymore.