The four living creatures (lion, ox, man, and eagle) surrounding God's throne in Revelation 4-5 represent four fundamental types of cognition that serve as court bailiffs in the investigative judgment, calling forth four categories of evidence (ideology, force, labor, and ultimate disposition) to help determine the outcome of the cosmic legal proceeding that began in 1844.
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Alex Zdyb : The Four Faces of the Throne.Added:
So then I want to welcome everyone to this Sabbath meeting in we are blessed today we are having Alex with us again and uh for those of you who don't know Alex he um he's has his own um YouTube channel called Spirit of Emnet and today he's also going to share about his web page and the last um the last link I saw with him is called the hidden agenda behind the EU disclosure. So I will encourage you to see that. And you were sharing with me, brother Alex, you have even made a new one now. Maybe you want to share a little bit and advertise for that program.
>> Sure. Uh yeah, I've I just said in the last couple of minutes that I've I've been working on the next short film, which is trying to summarize the whole great controversy in 14 minutes. So post-prouction will begin next week and I'm excited to share it with you all.
But yeah, so um the topic for today is is a bit different than it it's something new. It's something that I've been working on and I haven't shared it with the world yet, but I guess this is this is it. This is the first time I will disclose that I I've been working on a book and um I will probably have to self-publish this book.
Um and today I will try to give you an introduction to chapter number one of the book and the book I don't know is the title the four phases of the throne. That's the title of the program.
>> Yes. Yes. Yes, the four the four uh the four faces of the throne is the name of the book, I think.
>> Um maybe maybe God will give me a new title. But um anyway, a small disclaimer.
I've heard before that the name of my website and my ministry, Spirit of EMTT, sounds esoteric and occult like Spirit of EMTT.
It's what is that? Aren't we supposed to, you know, be involved with spirits of EMTT?
And um and I've and I've I've I've even been accused of of of of yeah, making it sound occult and stuff like that. So, if if anybody believes if anybody had I'm not going to change your mind with what I'm going to say today cuz it looks very arcane, but it's just it just it's it's my way of of of um I guess expressing myself and and my theatricality. Uh I don't I don't I don't write or say anything that I don't believe um is biblical. So that's a small disclaimer right there.
>> Um, >> so maybe you would like to start with a prayer before we start.
>> Dear heavenly father, we pray that you may enlightened our minds now that we will study your word and my theories to interpret your word. May you guide us.
And we ask also that you will strengthen the uh the client that was already mentioned that lost a family member. May you strengthen them and and lead them to all truth and righteousness. We pray in Jesus name. Amen.
>> Amen.
>> Okay. Do you see my screen?
>> Yes.
>> Okay. How mystical does that look?
Sorry.
>> How mystical does it look?
>> Oh, it looks mystical.
>> I just want to say those aren't runes cuz my my wife said that looks like runes, like magical runes, but those are the um the Hebrew uh letters for how you spell the beasts that surround God's throne. So anyway, um chapter one basically chapter one of my book is meant to introduce a certain vocabulary uh terms to help us understand what is the meaning of the cherubim that veil the light of God's throne and hide his face and why are they involved involved in the investigative judgment.
Are they involved? Uh what does it mean for them to to um what are their um how do they participate in in Revelation uh 4, 5, and 6. Um so that's that's basically the the study for for chapter 1. I'm going to try to skip as much of the technical terms that I kind of use to explain why I believe the things I believe. Um because it's just unnecessary jargon if if if if you're not going to read the book like the the book is going to use the terminology to structure my thoughts.
But anyway, um the four faces, the first thing you notice about the four creatures is that they are not new. John sees them in Revelation 4, but Ezekiel saw them more than six centuries earlier by the riverbar in Babylon. The same four faces, though in his vision, each creature bears all four at once. So, you got that in Ezekiel 110, but it's the same lion, ox, man, and eagle.
Um, what I've noticed is that if you if you look at the sequence of these beasts that are around God's throne and you look at how they're calling each of them a horse, the first four seals of the apocalypse, You you can actually infer a certain pattern that is quite fascinating which is that each of the operation each each beast has an operation and that operation has like an a a signature. it it it it um it has a function and and what I've noticed is that they match the character of the animal very very well. I noticed that if you interpret the first seal which is which I think is the the lion the first creature that is described two uh two chapters before that uh and the previous chapter. So you got this for those who don't don't know the seven seals are uh are mentioned in revelation 6 and are crucial in the um in the sequent of se sequence of events in the end times and people can't really agree on what this this the the seals mean but uh I have a my own theory that I wrote wrote a book about uh what they actually mean what I believe that the the seals are the four horsemen of the apocalypse that I connect to the four animals around the throne are are four types of there are symbols and I'm not saying that they can't also be physical angels with animal heads that is quite possible that you can interpret it that literally but what I what I want to do with it at least as a supplement is to also put a symbolic interpretation on top of it and say that it's a it's a way of um it's a mode of cognition.
It's a way to um to think.
And why would why would God want us to teach why would God teach us that there are four ways to to um to think? Why are there four types of cognition?
um basically because I believe that in the investigative judgment where the anti-ypical yum kipur which is the um where the cleansing of the sanctuary happens and within the 7th day Adventist tradition it is believed that that began in 1844 and is ongoing as we speak in the heavenly sanctuary right now where Jesus is intercessing on our behalf with his father. And those cherubims that would cover the mercy seat are actually the cherubims mentioned in Ezekiel and and Revelation that we'll we're going to study. Um so I believe that those four types of cognition that each animal and man represent are the kind of evidence are categories of evidence in the investigative judgment.
Okay, so that was a mouthful.
I just want to see if I lost all of you or if any of that makes any sense cuz to continue if that didn't make sense makes little sense. This is the first time I'm ever explaining this. So I I'm I'm just as much learning from this that as you are. I've never explained this to anybody.
>> Makes sense. We are looking forward for you to continue.
>> Okay, sounds good. So, I'm just going to read a bit more because that that way you can you can get a sense of what I what I what I want where I want to go with this. In Revelation 6, the lamb begins to open the seven seals. John has just listed the four living creatures in a definite order. The first beast was a lion. The second beast was a calf or an ox dep depending on your version of the Bible.
And the third beast had a face of a man.
and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle. Now he uses ordinal numbers meaning the first, the second, the third, fourth to but what I do is that I go back to that original sequence and say I think we have an ordinal way of numbering not just in Revelation 4 but also where the six seals are seven seals are described um in Revelation 6. The pairing is not an interpretation in my in my view. The text itself binds each creature to each horse.
Oh, and by the way, traditional Adventist literature's is very very very far away from any of the things that I'm going to teach today. Um, but yeah, then again, if you know anything about my work, that that shouldn't be a surprise. I'm building on top of what they found out about Daniel 8, 9, uh, Daniel 7, many of those chapters, but some of these other chapters, I think, yeah, I'm more in agreement with Melody Drake, if anybody knows who that is. She often teaches on this channel.
>> Mhm.
>> Actually, I should probably write something the forward like, "Thank you, Melody, for sharing so much of your material with me. this book wouldn't happen without you. Anyway, I hope she she sees that when when she watches this video at some point. Anyway, um each pairing also matches the natural biblical character of the creature and just common sense. The lion speaks with the voices as the noise of thunder and actually only the lion's voice is associated with thunder in scripture.
We're going to go back to thunder a lot.
The book is about thunder basically because the seven thunders are in inextricably linked with the investigative judgment in the end times.
I'm going to say that again. Without the seven thunders, you don't have a temporal access. Meaning, you don't know how things will unfold in the end times.
without the seven thunders. Nothing in the book of Revelation is straightforward when it comes to sequence time.
Haven't you noticed that sometimes the chapter is talking about what happens when the heavens part and you like a scroll and suddenly you're it's talking about some beasts and then you're at the plagues and then you're not at the plagues now the trumpets and seals. the chronologies is difficult unless you figure out the pattern of the thunders and I build on top of that um school of thought if you will. The ox is the uh sacrificial animal of the altar, the bearer of the yoke. Its domain is force and slaughter. The red horse with its great sword. Only the man can wield scales. Weighing is uniquely human.
That's the third uh apocalyptic horse.
The eagle is the bird of death's territory where soever the carcass is there will be eagles.
There will the eagles be gathered together. That's from Matthew. Uh but there are many other descriptions of what an eagle symbolizes in the Old Testament as well. there.
It's it's a very symbolic animal in the Bible and it's the fourth cherubim around the throne of God and I think there's huge significance to each of these animals and we're going to look at that. But yeah, that's the pale horse on which death rides. So you got a small summary here how I do that. You got the four animals. I pair them. I map them to each horse in the chronology that John tells it. Simple enough for straightforward.
Okay. So, what does that have to do with the courtroom and the investigative judgment to see what the four creatures are doing? We widen the camera. Six centuries before John, Daniel saw a vision that compared with John's turns out to be the same, just seen from an different perspective.
I beheld till the thrones were cast down and the ancients of the ancient of days did sit. The judgment was set and the books were open. This is a description of the investigative judgment. And that's not a controversial um opinion to well- read Adventist because all the pioneers agreed about that. And actually most of them actually pointed to Revelation 4 and said there are this is the be this is this is this is describing the same courtroom the same investigative judgment. What I do is that I just follow that trail of thought and say, "Okay, so it's it started in 1844 and now what?"
Note the elements. A throne is set. The ancient of days takes his seat. Fire surrounds the throne. Thousands thousands minister. 10,000 times 10,000 stand before him. The judgment is set.
The books are opened. Now compare that with what John sees. A throne is set in throne figure, fire, sealed scroll, attendant numbered by identical formula 10,000 * 10,000 and thousands and thousands. The correspondence are exact.
The son of man approaches the throne in Daniel in Daniel and receives authority.
The lamb approaches in revelation 5 and takes the scroll. The two scenes are the same scene. Daniel saw the court from a wider angle. John was shown a docket up close.
This identification changed everything for me. The judgment was sent, the books were opened. Is an that's an un unmistakable judicial language. A tribunal is convened and we all know this as the investigative judgment as 7th day Adventist.
Um you can read the entire chapter. I put the first chapter for free on my on my website so you can you can see how much of this actually corresponds. But I'm going to I'm going to go to to to to the next part because we'll never finish if I don't skip some of the details. Uh Daniel 12 is the final chapter of the book of Daniel and the conclusion of the visions that began in chapter 7. If chapter 7 showed Daniel the courtroom, chapter 12 shows him what holds the proceeding together.
At its structural center stands a single act, a two-handed oath sworn by him who lives forever that that fixes the duration of the entire end time.
Meaning, you have you have the thunders and in Daniel, you have the exact time period. You just need to pair them together. And I've never heard anybody do that. But structurally the p the patterns converge perfectly.
Daniel 12 is structure structured kyistically meaning it's it's a its elements arranged in mirrored pairs around a central pivot which is in the middle. Verse seven.
Castic structure is one of the most common organizational patterns in Hebrew scripture and its function is consistent. The kayism points the reader to the central element which carries the chapter's theological weight.
So you got the oath in the middle. I don't know how many of you know Daniel 12 by heart. The kayism of Daniel 12 is quite clear. Uh if you start in the middle and then you pair each each verse in either direction together, you see a very cohesive structure almost like a vortex or two vortices, one from top to bottom and the other one from bottom to top.
Um like a whirlwind. That's going to be a part of the next book, I think. Uh but um why is this important? It's important because an oath is made by a man clothed in linen, which is an extremely important oath because it's only been done once in the Bible.
Every single oath in the Bible is done with one hand raised.
Even Jehovah makes an oath at one point but he only puts one hand up. This oath is done with two hands. So and just read Daniel 12 casually. You will see how important the the event is there in the middle. Something's going on. There are witnesses and it's it's it's it's a very important scene. We need we need to understand what happens there.
Um, and I heard the man clothed in linen when he held up his right hand and his left hand, both hands. That's symbolically very significant that you put up both of your hands. And swear by him that liveth forever that it shall be for a time, times half a time. Who is the man clothed in linen? Well, linen in the Torah is the specific fabric of priestly service.
I'm going to skip all of these texts.
All the pioneers agreed this is this is Jesus in his priestly role. He puts it both of his hands in the air because he makes he makes an oath that is irrevocable and is is is a very serious oath which is that the seven thunders he he he puts a um a time period there in that. Uh, so what does the oath actually guarantee when you couple the kaism of Daniel 12 together with the seven? And by the way, I have diagrams for all of that coming later. I just need to establish some of the base facts. The oath guarantees two things.
It fixes two things. A duration of course, but also a completion condition that the scaring of the holy people will be accomplished. Then all these things will be finished. So read together this proceeding has a fixed duration a fixed termination criterion bound by both hands of the heavenly high priest who is by the way he has a very active role in ending the world. Uh, the four horsemen of the apocalypse are the witnesses that the four beasts call to the stand to the courtroom and they give four types of evidence, four categories in my opinion.
So yeah, the proceeding cannot be interrupted, revoked, shortened or extended. It is settled.
So this brings me to the seven thunders.
What are the seven thunders?
The seven thunders are the phenomenon that John for some reason was not allowed to write down. Remember that it says that in Revelation he heard the seven thunders and then he was told specifically not to write them down.
Well, if you notice, there are seven thunders that have been written down in the book of Revelation, just not in that chapter.
They are scattered all over the book of Revelation. If you look at this diagram here, I don't know if you can see it.
But here you can see the first thunder is mentioned in revelation 4:5, the second 61, the third revelation 8:5, fourth 11:19, 5 fifth 14:2, 6:18, and 7th Revelation 196.
You see that covers more or less the whole end time period.
And my thesis is that four of these thunders are actually the four horsemen of the apocalypse.
and the evidence that they give in the courtroom in the investigative judgment while the world is ending. It is how the great controversy can be finished by gathering all the evidence that is needed for our advocate to finish his case against the accuser. And the four categories of the different kinds of evidence are pivotal.
So let's just go through them one by one.
Thunder one, that's when the courtroom opens. You got lighting, thunder, and voices proceed from the throne. The seven lamps of fire burn before it. The four living creatures and the 24 elders take take their stations. There are no horses yet summoned, meaning no evidence is yet been presented in the courtroom of the investigative judgment.
Does that make sense why I couple those two together?
It's all it's all about the investigative judgment. Which is interesting because Andrews, John Andrews, who was one of the pioneers of the seventh adventist movement when he was asked late in later in his life for future prophecy students, he was asked like what is the most important thing for us to study when it comes to prophecy? And he said, "If you study the investigative judgment, everything else will fall in in the right place." I guess that was a prophetic saying because this is this has been my exact experience with all of Daniel and Revelation that I've been studying my entire life, adult life.
So no evidence presented because this is just opening well just this is the verses we read in Revelation 4 and in Daniel 7 the the the beasts are taking their seats. The high priest goes from the holy place to the most holy place and the father is ready to to start the proceeding.
Then the next thunder, the second thunder is in Revelation 6:1. This is when the seals are presented.
The lion cherub is the first one. And what does what does a lion do? I've been studying lions now and oxes and eagles and I've been trying to figure out what kind of why are they the might mighty beasts around God's throne and a lion is associated not just with nobility royalty he's also the king of wild animals just like the ox is the the uh king of domestic animals.
Just like man is the grand, you know, on top of all creation here on on this world. And just like an eagle is the um top bird, if you will. And the lion cherub speaks with a voice as the noise of thunder and summons the white horse. Now who sits on the white horse?
There are many opinions about this, but I believe this is the lion of Judah. There are many lions, but that's the most important lion to know because he's also the high priest of the heavenly sanctuary.
And what does the the lion do? Well, he declares that's the role of a lion. He declares ideology.
So ideological allegiance is called in as evidence during this time of the investigative judgment.
The latter rain will empower the the bow's projection. Meaning the rider of the white horse, Jesus, has a bow, which is a weapon that is is a ranged weapon, right? It does something at a distance, just like a declaration. When that spreads, there is an element of of projecting into the distance. And that's the the role that's the function of the third angel's message is to give the loud cry.
And then you can ask, okay, Alex, but why all of this talk about beasts and animals? Can you just simplify it and say it has to it's the outcry? We all know we are waiting for the loud cry. This is nothing original. Well, first of all, the coupling between the investigative judgment and the types of evidence is fascinating because it excavates a lot of new information that I've never heard anybody write about. Why? Why exactly?
Why exactly? Why does it have to start with ideology?
Can it be something else?
Um but I make a very very long argument for why ideology or law the rule of law which is the same as ideology. Basically, those are exiomatic statements being being um declared based on some manifesto or something. And and this exact thunder thunder number number two that I believe we are on the threshold of this thunder is basically when when Jesus equips certain people to be able to finish what started in 1844 which is that the three angels messages they were given back then but only with a limit limited application.
You need an end time anti-ypical application which is the actual fulfillment of those prophecies. That that has not been done yet. People haven't heard um any of that. So that that remains to to to be done and I believe it will happen any day now.
And then the world will react to this lion roaring and declaring the ideology of heaven.
And the evidence, the horse that is being summoned there in the courtroom will write down in the books of remembrance how each human being chose where they chose their ideological like what what is their ideological allegiance.
Following that is the second beast, the ox.
And this is in Revelation 8. And as you know, that's where the first four trumpets are described.
Now, where do you put the trumpets in all of this? In my book, I call it the executive phase of the courtroom proceeding.
So, if you look at the diagram, we have seven thunders. Three of them are what I call thresholds or you can also just call it like a beginning, a middle and an end.
And the four ones are phases. There is the ideological starting phase, the ox phase which is the executive phase and the two the two last ones that are based on the two last horsemen which are the two types of evidence gathered after probate probation closes are are these these latter phases thunder five and six that I see are in revelation 14 and 16.
Now if this is a lot to take in, it's been difficult to make diagrams of something that is as convoluted as for different patterns super superimposed on on top of each other with the chaistic structure of Daniel 7 with the seven thunders of all of Revelation with the four horsemen with the four beasts and there's another one that comes in in chapter too. Uh but but nevertheless, Thunder 3 is the executive phase meaning whatever ideology was chosen by the world whether it is the lion of Judah or it's the lion that seeks to devour and gives his the seene and seat and authority to the beast out of the sea.
Oh, by the way, the current beast out of the sea.
What is what is the name he chose for himself?
The pope.
>> The vicor of Christ.
>> Yeah. What is what what's the what's the name that he chose for himself?
>> Leo. That's Leo >> the 14th.
>> What does Leo mean?
>> Lion.
>> It's a lion.
And maybe he has something to declare.
The day after tomorrow when he comes out with his first encyclical on Wit Monday. I think it's going to be a profound encyclical.
the so one of the what I don't know if any of you remember the last time I spoke about um thunders and all of that and I I was I questioned whether or not casting down the sensor in Revelation 8.
Do you want me to pull that up? Maybe that's a bit easier here. Right. We got the thunder. We got the um we got the thunders right there. So you know it's one of the thunders and then it says and the angel took sensor filled it with fire of the altar and cast it into the earth. There were voices thundering lighting. So I thought that what this means is that when the sensor is cast down which is an instrument of the high priest. It's an artifact in the heavenly sanctuary.
I thought it means, "Oh, this is when probation closes."
And I thought that was reasonable. I thought, "Well, look at the descriptions of the trumpets. They're apocalyptic.
It will completely devastate the earth.
I mean, you think climate change is bad.
That's going to be the real climate change. I mean, it's going to completely demolish this this this world.
And, you know, descriptions of of trees like forest burning up. Imagine what's that going to do to the to the to the atmos uh to the, you know, density of oxygen, carbo, you know, and so on and so on.
the um the the the the rivers, the just the the descriptions of the first four thunders are horrific.
So I thought, well, it would make sense if that's after probation closes because it does say the sensor is filled with fire.
But I have a more nuanced understanding of fire. Now fire is is associated with the lion.
It's associated with the declared ideology.
This is the executive phase of that meaning you believe certain things.
You commit to certain laws, human laws, divine laws. Now it's time to act upon your beliefs.
And God in his mercy will let everybody know through the trumpets that this is the end of the world.
And the universal church will explain these cataclysmic events in a certain way. And then the 144,000 will be able to declare with more power than ever that the hour of judgment has come in its anti-ypical fulfillment.
And the whole earth is going to be ready to hear that.
that message because they will see judgment all around them. They will just not be able to fully comprehend the meaning of this being the a loving creator destroying his creation uh or at least allowing somebody to destroy it. That's a that's a discussion for a different time. And then the fifth and the sixth trumpets. I mean according to to um well I I already covered that in in one of in one of the other sessions. But the fifth trumpet is basically demonic hierarchy externalizing themsel and manipulating the earth. And then the sixth trumpet is you know war like we've never seen it.
everybody goes to war with each other.
Um, 200 million soldiers meeting in the Middle East and stuff like that. So, and then you've got the middle of the fourth thunder, which is the mid the midpoint, the the the threshold in the middle, which is a very complete description of what happens when the oath of the high priest in Revelation 12:7, when that oath is fulfilled, when the mystery of God is finished, like it says in Revelation 11:19.
And what happens when the proceeding crosses from its evidentiary with mercy half to its verdict already rendered half the structural center of the seven thunders everything that happens after that revelation 14:2 Revelation 16:18 Revelation 196 that's that's after probation closes the 44,000 standing on Mount Zion singing the song of the Moses and the lamb.
That's associated with the black horse and the man of the cherubim.
Uh with his scales that that's the that's basically the evidence evidence that was gathered about who had faithful labor and who had merciful conduct. That's what the scales symbolize, right?
And then you've got the eagle which is basically in this in the chronology of the seven thunders that's the destruction of Babylon. Um that's the that's the plagues and and yes the earth the great earthquake.
So let me explain how I came to the um well I can just maybe explain very shortly how I came to with with the theory about the four beasts. So, I've been interested in studying um behavior and cognitive functions for for a while now. That's that's um that's a part of of of psychology that has fascinated me for years, the psychometrics part of it. and how you can basically modularize um a psyche into different cognitive functions and how different observations are coupled in um in pairs with certain types of judgment uh way of judging things like if something is pragmatic or logical or certain types and based on a certain uh school of thought within psychometric called socionics which is invented by uh basically Eastern Europeans and the model the the framework that I use is is um was basically invented by this scientist called Victor Guleno. is from Ukraine and he said that basically all people uh can be put into one of the four categories. And this is of course an oversimplification in a way because what about the people within you know one of the four uh quadrants types uh I mean quadrants basically mean one of the four boxes and then well it's a whole science he goes into well then you can partition it further and look at the differences further down but at the very fundamental level he says there four types of people. There are people who he calls central or peripheral which is people who contest for power and resources and are very hierarchal. They they orientate themselves through hierarchies and their position in the hierarchy. And then you have peripheral people that operate outside of context.
Actually, typical Scandinavians, I would say, are very peripheral. Um, there's definitely an over representation of peripheral people here. Uh, they are not as competitive. They try to harmonize with each other because they see it as a natural state of cognition to to multiply resources by by cooperation where the other one is is central. the hierarchy gets the resources and then there's a top- down approach of how you decide the resources how are they and I know you could one could think but how is that a fundamental differentiating factor it's a whole science a scientist came up with it and you know it would take me hours to go into it but this is the way he he saw the first um the first fundamental variable of how you divide this and and then He said the second dichotomy is whether or not you're ascending or descending which is do you um do you have a tendency to use the resources or information or your time and so on and so on to invent new theories. Um try to to push the envelope when it comes to innovation and see if you can establish new ideology, new frameworks, new way of new products and so on and so on. Or do you seek to conserve and enhance the what what has basically what's what's old, what has already been established as this works. We have to conserve these these what what what already works and these two independent axes two values for each create of course the four different quadras and you can then be a big nerd about it and study that for years study these four quadras and why this top top top um psychologist believes that all people can be put in one of those quadras and then you can further differentiate eight go into the different four types within each quadra and then four subtypes within each quadra and already there you've multiplied 16 with four and then you can have another uh you know you can go further down than that. So, um, but it, what fascinates me about this is that 20th century psychology perfectly and coherently matches what the Bible says is is a symbol of a lion, a symbol of an eagle, a symbol of an ox or a calf, depending on the verse you you take.
Um, and if you ask a a a competent AI algorithm to just show you like a create a big data set and show you the different correlations and and how and if there's anything to it, it will just go on and on and on showing you how they're actually highly correlated.
But all of that is on the website for you to read if you want to know more about this. This is this goes into the more technical stuff. We're not going to cover that today.
Uh but um I do want to I do want to read just these four descriptions of what I believe is the role of the lion in the investigative judgment, the ox, and and then we'll we'll do a long QA, twice as long as as we normally do. If um I think that's that's prudent. The lion's word, the lion's operation is to declare. The lion is the central ascending face. He stands at the center of the contest for the soul of the age and his energy is rising. Meaning he seeks to declare ideology to see immediate change in society.
um projecting binding word or ideology across the field. What field? The cultural field, society, civilization, assembling ideological cohesion, mobilizing followers toward the future being declared into being. When the first seals opens, when the first seal opens, John hears a voice as a noise of thunder. And the white horse rides out with a bow, a crown, and a rider who goes forth conquering and to conquer.
The bow is projection at distance. The declaration cast across the whole field.
The crown is binding authority. The doubled verb signals continuous discharge, meaning continuous projection until the field is saturated. Saturated with what? Ideology.
ideology that mobilizes. That's how civilizations are built. We've been talking about a new world order older, a new world order for decades, but we never talk about what actually what are the pivotal moments in the development of civilization and and and in order to get a whole world into such a new world order that is described in Revelation 17. For example, my chapter one here tries to to deconstruct some of those necessary ingredients for for for that change. In operational terms, the lion mode is mobilizing emotions and leading with structural logic, meaning the rule of law. And in this case, of course, it's the lion of Judah.
He is declaring his father's law. This is the son speaking. This is the high priest standing between the mercy seat and the father in the heavenly pray in the in the most heavenly place. A declaration both emotionally compelling and rigorously formed. The cognitive architecture of both law and gospel. The law is given on tablets of stone but amid thunder and fire in a way that makes the people tremble.
Recall the title given to the lamb at the moment he is decla declared worthy, the lion of the tribe of Judah. In Revelation 10, a mighty angel clothed with a cloud, rainbow on his head, face as the sun, feet as pillars of fire, cries with a loud voice as when a lion roarth. I don't think that's a coincidence.
I think this is a reference to the nature of that of that beast that gathers the evidence in the ending of the anti-ypical Yonipur.
that began in 1844. This is Christ himself in his lion mode declaration descending to address the post 1844 phase of the proceeding.
The bow of the white horse is the word in its out outpoured form cast across the field cultural field by the latter rain of the spirit. The 144,000 are the lion vanguard in its perfected redeemed form. Those whose ideological allegiance is absolute. They keep the commandments of scaff and have the testimony of Jesus. And not only that, I believe they are all teachers.
Um their commission is to prophesy again before many people, nations, tongues, and people and kings. So the pioneers believe this happened right after the great disappointment.
They believed that for decades God gave them truths like the Sabbath, the heavenly sanctuary, the health reform.
And when they brought that to all the continents and so on, this prophecy was fulfilled.
What I'm saying here is that yes, it was fulfilled, but not in a complete anti-ypical sense of of of prophecy. Um, it was partially fulfilled. You had an application of that prophecy. You did not have a fulfillment of that prophecy.
When you have fulfillment of that prophecy, then the prophecy of of Matthew 24, when the gospel will go to all the four corners of the earth, that's when that's fulfilled. that hasn't happened yet. You need the first rider, the first horseman to be called by the first beast that surrounds the throne of God.
That's actually what we are waiting for.
In the great in the grand scheme of things, this is the next step in the great controversy between Christ and Satan. It's not the loud cry. It's not the latter rain. It's not it's a part of it but it starts with the first beast calling upon the first rider.
That's the first seal and that's the next step in the esqueologgical big picture.
But the lion mode also has a shadow that's goes into the terminology of the psychology of the lion. But that's that's basically u it. We can then ask the question, what kind of evidence is being weighed in the great in the courtroom? And I summarize it with this sentence. What did this soul give its allegiance to?
This is why it starts with the Sunday law because it's a law and it's declared and it's then propagated through the cultural field.
And once everybody gets in positions, the war is truly started. The angelic hierarchy and the fallen angelic hierarchy are basically going to have a fist fight through their human instrumentalities.
And this is the ox face, the second seal.
The ox operation is to apply force. It has everything to do with force. The ox is the central descending face. meaning what we talked about earlier. And he stands at the center of the contest, but his energy is consolidating, converting the rising momentum of the lion, what the lion declared, the the ideology, the the mobilizing effects on the different cultures of the world. Now get into an executive phase where infrastructure is being being built around the new ideology settling ideological vision into accomplished material form. When the second seal opens the red horse rides out with a great sword and its rider is given power to take peace from the earth. The ideologist ideologies, the vanguard of the lion will have a fist fight with anybody who sides with the beast system and the world is going to be caught in crossfire.
This is the end times. Everything in the book of revelation and the book of Daniel are descriptions of of that.
The sword is particular force applied to specific bodies drawing specific blood.
That's a reference to to the ide the framework and taking of peace is an active active disruption of their prior settling order and then I go into yeah so basically this is not just people reacting to the ideology this is also God give sending the trumpets to let everybody know Hey, the 144,000 gave the loud cry. I gave them the latter rain. You've heard the ideology of heaven, the rule of law that exists on every single world outside of the firmament.
Now you all have to decide how are you going to act based on the ideology.
Are you going to participate in the wars that come out of it? Are you going to what are you going to do? Um, there's a whole chapter on there's a whole subsection in chapter one on on all kinds of prophecies and verses in the Bible that I believe are are to be coupled with this exe executive face.
And the and the pivotal question to ask is is what evidence is being weighed in this part of the investigative judgment?
Well, how did this soul wield force under conflict? This is going to be the face of conflict.
The third quadra or the third seal or the third category of evidence being submitted in the courtroom is the man's scales. The man's operation is to weigh. The man is the peripheral descending face. He stands outside the central contest.
Meaning he's not a bull. He's not a lion.
He's not in a fist fight. Basically, he is the face that follows. His energy is settling, building and maintaining the cooperative system within which patient labor accumulates. Faithful records are kept and the inherited order is preserved across generations.
in the grand scheme of things of of of what follows typically a phase of the application of force. When the third seals opens, the black horse rides out carrying a pair of balances. A voice cries, a measure of wheat for a penny, and see thou he hurt not the oil and the wine. This is from Revelation 6, right?
the scales way particular transactions, the protective injunction in the language of mercy preserved for the most vulnerable, oil and wine, the comforts of the poor and the medicines of the sick in the old old and new testament.
Um, so this is this is asking the question in the investigative judgment, did the soul labor honestly and weigh mercifully?
So this is actually not a punishment.
The black horse is not punishing the earth.
It's evidence being called in the courtroom in the investigative judgment according to my book.
Just like the pale horse is not punishment either.
It's also I mean horses a horse is a symbol of for people in Joel chapter 2 and Joel chapter 2 is describing the exact same prophetic picture as Revelation 10 to prophesy again.
That's the same injunction.
The fourth beast is the eagle.
Um the eagle's operation is to perceive from on high. The eagle is peripheral ascending phase. He stands outside the central contest. Meaning again it's not the fist fight phase. It's the how does this all end? How is the end times ending? His energy is rising, opening new horizons, discovering possibilities the established order has not yet seen.
perceiving from above the patterns the contestant below are too engaged to apprehend. So this is a generalization of what the eagle symbolizes. Right?
When the fourth seal opens, the paleo horse rides out. Its rider is named death and hates follows. This is the most somber of the four horsemen and is no accident the eagle summons it. The eagle's territory includes the ultimate disposition. every soul what each finally yields itself to when no further destruction can be sustained.
Jeremiah 32, I think, says that there are several verses about eagles in the Bible and how they're a symbol of the transition from from life to death. Not in an occult way, in a biblical way. I mean, you're you're you're um you're returning to the dust.
Um it has everything to do with that. I hope uh I explain that in the book why that's relevant but ultimately it asks the question in the investigative judgment to what did this soul ultimately yield to all the ideology all the application of force and opportunism in a world being divided by the red red horse now that the loud cry has been given and the world is reacting and the beast system is consolidated ating power and so on. And the third seal asks, well, what how did you weigh during those end times? Did were you judicious? Were you laboring honestly? Were you did you give food to those poor people that passed your house fleeing from whatever they were fleeing from? You know, all that evidence um is important in investigative judgment. But this fourth seal, this pale horse is like a summation. So, so we end up with this with this grid with the different beasts surrounding the throne. You got the different thunders and you can see what happens in each phase.
And all of that ends with the marriage, right? all four are are complete by then. Um and then there is no need for any of that because we receive a new home and the law of God will be written on our hearts forever and we will no longer have um what does it say? Hearts of cold hearts. Yeah, we will have hearts of flesh or something. What's that?
Ezekiel. I'm paraphrasing Ezekiel, but yeah, I um I can strongly recommend to actually read the whole thing because it's a bit Yeah, it's super dense, but but I I try to connect uh some some chapters in the Bible that that are typically very poorly understood like the kaism of Daniel 12 and like the beasts and how they are extremely important and not just decorative. You know, that's not just decorative language to say that the cherubim who surround the throne of God, the creator of the universe, well, they are just there for fun or something like that.
It's it's much more serious than that.
And and the the callers and why I call the line fire and frost and all that, that has to do with the different verses that I put to interpret this. For example, the at this phase of just give you one example before I finish my rant at this phase of of the end times during the eagle phase. I mean probation is already closed and plagues are falling.
So I connect it to frost because the the from we will see from the sky basically great hail for fall. And when I say fire, well, it says that every word that proceeds from the mouth of Jehovah is like fire. Um, so I just take these I just needed some colors for the four beasts. So I was looking for verses to couple it with and I actually I' I've found a lot like the the um the the golden calf that was built beneath Mount Zion has something to do with that. And yeah, so anyway, um I'm going to self-publish the book hopefully before August and I'm very excited about that. Um see if this is going to change anything in the um well in the community where people care to understand these prophecies on a deeper level.
So, let's do >> Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
>> a longer QA than we usually do, Evan, because I think >> this it's going to it's going to take a lot.
>> So, um I have to watch the program again. That's Thank you. I have to watch the program again. Very very interesting. But >> I would read the book instead of watching this because this was this was it was it's difficult to >> sometimes the conversion fails you know sometimes you cannot convert a book into a podcast into a speech or into a presentation sometimes it just doesn't translate.
So, >> so um are you saying that the four faces around the throne, the lion, ox, the man, and the eagle, they have different purposes of uh waking up people with the seven pl the first seven plag last plagues. But this is before the closer probation when God is trying to wake up people and 144,000 have got the latter rain.
You almost had it right. Uh you have it's it's basically right. So the the four the four horsemen is evidence being called upon by the ba baifts of the courtroom that's going on in the most uh holy place in the sanctuary.
They're baiffs. The four beasts are baiffs.
They are a part of God's docket.
They're like helping the lawyer, the advocate doing his job.
And the trumpets are I believe Melody D call calls them the place filled with mercy contrary to the place who are without mercy. Right? And that's because in the grand scheme of things, and I did not understand this on a deeper level before it finally clicked that the thunders are your proof, you can misinterpret what it means to cast a sensor down to the earth and while while it's filled with fire.
You know, just like the pioneers of the Adventist movement misunderstood what it means to cleanse the sanctuary. We weren't familiar with that language in in the 1840s, right? Just like I wasn't familiar with the language of of of of the thunders and all of that until it just clicked that the thunders give you the temporal axis, meaning when does that things occur, in what chronology?
And then the seals or the four horsemen are the different categories of evidence that correspond to the actions on earth during that investigative judgment and how it's ending.
>> Thank you. And then we have brother Evan with us. Sorry Evan.
>> Yeah. Hello from Norway. I was just I came into this meeting maybe like 15 minutes after it started. So I lost the first part. Uh I was was just wondering can you tell us a little bit about your books? Have you written several books?
Are they available on Amazon? Are they available online for free? Uh and there's one question in the chat here if your books will be available in Danish.
>> So um I was thinking maybe because what you have presented today seems you saw said it will be available maybe in August hopefully. So um just know it's available online as a web page.
So, thank you for your question. I will so I I've tried to summarize the first chapter on my website where everybody can access it, but it's sort of it's it's it's a summary, right? It's the first chapter is is 80 pages long and I cannot just dump 80 pages in the website. That would be overwhelming, I think. But it's a good summation and I tried to make some diagrams that that explain how the thunders interact with the four horsemen and how it's a reflection of the chaistic structure of Daniel 12.
This is my first book.
Um I've never published a book before, but this I will try to get this one published. If not anything else, I will self-publish before August. That's the plan. I have I'm planning on writing another book, but um but we'll see about that. Uh I also make videos on YouTube and that's very time consuming as well.
Uh I will be releasing a 14minut short film about the great controversy soon.
It's hopefully going to be better than all the videos I've ever done. I'm I'm trying to I'm trying something out with with AI that just came out. It's like state-of-the-art AI that helps me create the movies. It's Yeah. So, um, but but the the one thing about this book that I find interesting is that it's not really introducing something entirely new. The investigative judgment doctrine is not new. The um, you know, the apocalypse, the end times, all of that. We we know these terms, latter rain, loud cry, mark of the beast, the three-fold union, spiritualism, uh the plagues, the trumpets, the seals.
But what I've never heard anyone say is how do they all fit into one cohesive structure?
And as ambitious as that is, I've tried to write a book about how it does. and and it's basically it's basically a grid. It's basically a four uh you got four four um four phases and you got three transitions or or thresholds meaning something happens in in the courtroom.
The proceeding starts, the probation closes and then there is a redecoration at the end there. Actually, I I believe actually that the heavenly sanctuary in in the heavens will be changed. I make an argument in in in my book where I say that that there's no there's not going to be a holy and most holy place when we get there. Uh simply because there's no need for a separation because the courtroom reached the verdict and the accuser lost, the advocate won. And that it's a whole thing in the book in the last chapter in the fourth chapter. Very good answer. Thank you very much. And it's like multiple layers or grids. I I like the illustrations you had because like if you have studied psychology or economy or marketing, there are lots of like models and in Norwegian and Danish and English all over like different theories. So it's a kind of a good way to visualize things, ideas and thoughts.
So make it more clearer, more understandable that than just text. But what's difficult now is >> you can click the elements on the web page and then most things pop up. I think only one diagram has no popups but most of the things are clickable move.
Yeah, >> several layers. The one thing I have problems with now is my audio. I have turned it all the way up here on my Zoom on my Windows PC, but I don't know if the other like 11 people in here now if they also have problems with hearing you. So it sounds a little bit low. I think >> really on my part. Yeah, I >> I can hear you.
>> I can hear you well.
>> Oh, okay. I'm trying to hold the microphone as close as it's better if I use like some headset. I will pick it up later and use a headset. Thank you.
>> But uh yeah, thank you for uh for that.
I the whole the whole purpose of the book is actually not to be I I I didn't write it for everybody at all. It's very it's very antisocial of me. I know that to to write a book about the gospel and prophecy and all of that and and and not write it for a a a large audience. I wrote the book for systematic thinkers. I wrote the book for people who like to study patterns because I don't believe that we will we will I mean the next prophet who's going to who's going to be around is going to be the first member of the 144,000 and that's pretty late game. I mean we we will be very much in the process of of picking aside uh be system or God's eternal system government. So I wanted to I wanted to get something out before that happens.
And the best way I could do it is to take all of those patterns that brilliant people like Melody Drake and others. We shouldn't flatter each other, but I mean, I love her work. I just I've taken that and I just I just all I did was I I basically superimposed the different patterns on top of each other and I just noticed that it it fits the kayic structure of Daniel 12. The seven elements there fit perfectly with the seven thunders. And that in turn just works super well with having three threshold, a beginning, a middle, and an end with the four horsemen as the different four layers. two pre-probation, two post-p probation, one legislative, the second one executionary. And the two and the two the the two phases the the phase of the man the evidence that is gathered by the man phase or the man cognitive typology is actually a bit more you know it's it's almost more yeah it's it's just as complicated as as as as as understanding the eagle face and all of that. It's it has to do with studying the the the the different types that we have in the Old Testament with what's the role of of of a lion, what's the role of an eagle and then I basically I don't want to say speculate but then I say okay it's fascinating that that best of you know the best psychologists in the world agree that there are four fundamental ways of cognition.
They fall into these four quadras and every human being is either a lion, an ox, an eagle or a man.
And they have developed this system of typology.
And there are actually multiple frameworks. There is an American scientist that I've been cooperating for years now with that's making his own cognitive behavioral framework that's called voltology.
and they come to many of the same conclusions and they those four quadras just fit perfectly with the four beasts are on the throne. And I just can't help but think that cannot be a coincidence that the four types of evidence that you can gather under the investigative judgment match the four fundamental cognitive thinking types of humanity according to the best psychologists in the world.
Thank you. You have your hand up still, Roy Evan. Is there more questions?
>> Yeah, my my head are full of uh questions. Fortunately, this Danish friend is talking English. If it was talking Danish, it I wouldn't have so many questions. I wouldn't understand nothing of Danish, but English is okay.
So, my question to you, Alex, is um about time span or like chronology chronology or frame time frames. I mean we have a pope now called Leo and I think it was on the national day of Norway the 17th of May that they had some kind of consecration like no public day of prayer in America like uh I don't know if outside of the the White House or Capitol Hill or where wherever but I think like the the American state the United States are celebrating 250 years now this summer like the 4th of July and um people like presidents especially international politicians, but it started maybe with Ronald Reagan in I think 1979, 1980. They were talking all the time about we what the world need is a new economic world order. It has been on the lips of the two Bushes of Ronald Reagan and Clinton, everyone. What we need is a new economic world order to to set everything in order. So I was thinking most people especially for example in our um church um uh we we know that things are will be happening fast rapid movements in the last times in the last days and and I think most people are like looking forward to Jesus Christ returning in our um uh life uh time. But I I think what what you have presented today it it seems to me that there will be a long long time before all these things will occur like the the different forces, the different animals, the like the beast side and the human side or so do you think that this is like um things that will take a long time to fulfill all of these things that it will happen like internationally with politics and globalism?
>> Great question.
>> I mean you have the you have the United Nations now. I don't know how you say it in in English. We call it in Scandinav more. You have these 16 or 17 goals like to reduce.
>> So I think will this happen like very soon or will take like 100 200 years.
>> So um so if if you follow the Okay, I want I want to answer your your your question in two ways. first just uh with with with what I know from psychology and how I apply it to the to the investigative judgment and then I'll answer as a as a fellow uh you know analyst of geopolitics and stuff like that you know so the way that these scientists and I reference what what what kind of psych behavioral science cognitive science I I I I um that are in the it's all in footnotes, but but basically there's a certain the development of of of civilization is a wheel. It's cyclic. You got four phases. The lion phase, the ox phase, the man phase, and the eagle phase. And it's just so fascinating that that you can just superimpose those two and it matches. It's it's incredible. The scientists call them the alpha, beta, the gamma, and delta quadrants, but it's it's it matches with the animals and the man perfectly and and and it's basically based on the exchange of of energy and information. So, it's based on like first principles.
How how is it that that power consolidates? Basically, how is it that once some somebody's in power, how do they m maintain power? How do institutions stabilize in a in a in a forceful phase of the the the the development of civilizations and so on and so on. And it's a whole if you're a nerd like me, you're going to you're going to find it fascinating. And it it explains some of the most heavy books that I've read in my life. Like if if you read um Tragy and Hope by by Carol Quigley, the Jesuit historian who described all of the different civilizations of humanity in the past 4 and a half 5,000 years and how they developed and how they kind of, you know, h how did they fall and so on and so on. It's it's it's fascinating to read together with Daniel and the Bible in general. And it it it it it it matches perfectly what these what these psychologists that I quote uh say about information metabolism they call it to simplify and just say quickly what I what I want to say with that is that is this it's paramount to understand what is it that is truly transformative in society.
Can you have a bunch of Freemasons and Jesuits and a cultist and they they want a new world order? They say it on TV.
They write it in their And so what? Can it just happen because they want it to happen? No. They know it cannot happen.
It's impossible. Why is it impossible?
That's the big question. Why is it impossible for them to gather all the nations in a world government? And I have come to the truth of the matter I believe through psychology. But the Bible says the same thing which is interesting which is this.
What is the most fundamental thing in society is ideology and how it mobilizes people.
It's the primos motor. It's the primary engine and then how force and how strategy and how management of resources and cooperations in the institutions and innovation and the uh apply application of technology to increase comfort and and sustainability and all of that. All of this is a part of the of the wheel of of evolution and involution meaning the the the the um the checking of the evolved process produced rigid rigid um robust systems. Um all of that falls back on ideology.
And how beautiful is that? Because that's what the Bible says. You cannot participate in a sustainable government without having the rule of law.
Everything starts with the law. And that's why it's fundamental for God to teach us that to keep his commandments is really just so we can thrive, so we can live together all in peace.
And what better way to enforce law than to anoint your son to be the heir of all things, to mobilize all the different worlds, to be to join in the the beautiful choir of the symphony of heavens led by, you know, Michael, led by the one who is like God is and who says, I have been there from the beginning. I was the instrument of the creator. I had a father-son project. We created the whole universe, every single world. And I can tell you his law is just. I am the express image of him. So this is what I described in my book as the oscillation between the the the cognitive function of ethics and the cognitive function of structural logic or logic and how they permeate the cultural field or any field, any medium. But let's just stick with the societal field and how that information metabolizes into action and into resource management and into intimacy between people, between family members, between co-workers and then goes to the phase of being um you know creating new potential by having by having uh by by inspiring people to see how how much potential really there is to adherence to this law and to this and to these relationships and to this to the economy that now drives forward the law of God and the and the um and the monarchy that sits um on the seat the central seat of government in in that in that what I call and and the uh theocratic empire of the universe which is the the the government of the father and the son that this world is waiting to join. So yeah, it's funny. There is a galactic empire, but that galactic empire is not does not consist of ascended masters who will teach you to astral projects and find out that there is an arcane power dormant within you and you're a divine spark of, you know, the transcendent absolute universe. No, no, you're a created being and there is somebody who really wants to adopt you. You're a son of God.
you're a daughter of God and you have to be adopted and they're working on it.
>> Amen. Praise the Lord.
>> Amen.
>> So, um according to what Roy Evan was asking, he was asking, "Oh, this can take a long time." All what you were sharing.
>> Right. Right. Right.
>> But according according to when the Sunday law that can come very very quickly, right? And according to Daniel 12 at least you have to correct me but I have understood that when the suns are coming then it in America then we'll go 30 days and then it's national right and then we will have three and a half years literal years with time of trouble right and all these things you have been talking about are nearly you know something is coming a little bit afterwards but most of it is within those three and a half years Right.
>> Yeah. So if you have the seven thunders, the three and a half years or time, times, and half a time that we have in Daniel 12:7, that's from when the lion declares with a loud cry his decree.
And then Satan in the big chess game of the great controversy is allowed to give his declaration of his power and seed and authority. And that's the Sunday law to mobilize the peace system. That's when the new world order is is there is no world government without a world religion. Everybody has to get that through their head. It doesn't work the other way. Uh and three and a half years. Yeah. 42 months. uh to use uh revelation 13 uh 1260 days to use re uh re revelation 11. Uh none of that is in the past. All of that starts with the white horse and ends with the close of probation. But after the close of probation, you have bunch of things that have to happen.
They have to uh burn the of revelation 17 that happens after the close of probation. You have the plagues falling. That's without mercy. That's after close probation. You have the beatitude. That's what I call it. Uh that's the blessing that is um given to um anybody who's still alive at the at that point really. Uh most people will be dead though. I mean billions of people will die soon. Uh but yeah, I when the Sunday law could come to be honest, I would be a bit disappointed if it doesn't come here with the next um with the next uh encyclical.
I I'm I'm expecting very strong language with the first encyclical of Pope Leo the 14th.
I'm I'm kind of hoping for like a rer Novarum on steroids where he mentions aliens and all of that cuz they've been hitting us hard with the cosmic brothers wanting to to, you know, externalize themselves and tell us about the uh cosmic law of of of of the ancient gods of Egypt, the law of one they call it.
how we can all vibrate on a higher frequency and and resonate in such a way that we can elevate our consciousness to a to a new um density of of of of matter which is basically like a higher consciousness, Christ consciousness they call it. Um I I kind of I kind of expect that language um the day after tomorrow with Monday and to see if they can um at least push the boundaries when it comes to you know this new world religion that's really going to be the the start of the new world order is when the pope actually is given mandate to unite all the religions because they will be the appointed church by the extraterrestrials. or the ascended masters or whatever you want to call them. But in the grand scheme of things, the next move in the great controversy is not a black piece on the checkboard.
It's not Satan.
It's the white horse.
That's the next step.
So we have to understand what the white horse is, what kind of evidence he brings to the court courtroom which is ongoing as we speak. The investigative judgment is going on right now since since 1844 and what is the role of the rider of the white horse and why is it a lion that's calling upon him? The lion is the key to to to that conundrum.
Um I don't know how many languages I will publish my book in. I mean probably quite a lot when it comes to like a digital form but a published for publish like paper book probably only only English but like I I could translate to many different um languages. I guess it's it's quite easy to do nowadays with AI.
Marcus, you have a question.
Thank you for the presentation, brother.
I I really appreciate all the information.
It it's in line a lot with like what you said with the drakes what they have presented here on these programs. I did have a question regarding the the creatures uh the four creatures. I know in Revelation chapter 5 8 and 9 um it says that the creatures and the elders they bow down and uh you know to to quote from verse 9 it says you know and they sung a new song saying thou art worthy to take the book to open the seals thereof for thou was slain and has redeemed us to God by the blood out of every kindred tongue people and nation.
So my question is these four creatures that are before the throne of God are they uh physical creatures you know if they've been redeemed are they is it symbolic that they are humans because they've been redeemed by the blood of of Christ. Um you know that's always when I've when I've read through revelation that these are the questions that I have. I'm not sure if you come upon them.
That's very fascinating question and and it's hard not to call it speculation because how can we truly know something that's that concrete and detailed? How can we infer that? It's we can maybe we can do our best with you know you said they're redeemed. How can a perfect angel be redeemed? Okay. So maybe it's it's it's maybe maybe they are among the 24 elders and maybe the 24 elders are human beings that never saw death. You know, maybe Moses, maybe uh well, Moses actually died, but Enoch, maybe Elijah, you know, maybe some of them. And maybe four of them were chosen to represent these four categories of of cognition or or human behavior. is is a is a better way to put it. And so that so that they can help in the investigative judgment.
It would be nice, right? To actually have humans present and they're like, "Can you confirm that human beings are typically like this this and that and the reason why that would be very helpful like you you would want the evidence presented in the in the court, you would want human beings maybe present to to be a part of that, right?
So maybe the 24 elders are maybe humans and maybe some of them surround the throne and participate as baiffs in the investigative judgment. Can I substantiate any of those claims? No.
Are am I very passionate about guessing this part of it all? Not really. Not not me personally. I I invite anybody to do it. But you know, let's talk about the Bible some more. That's cool. But but to me what's very important is the the grid.
It's having the sequence nailed. Uh because first of all it's original. Uh we we need new thought in the movement. You know we've been talking about 1798 for 200 years. We we have to we have to um it's interesting. I don't know how many believe here that Ellen White is a was inspired by God, was animated by the spirit of prophecy, but I believe that and and and I want to comment I want to say that I've been looking for for like I've been trying to to to to have this grand unified field theory of prophecy.
Let's call it that. Oh, maybe that should be the title of the book. And and It's very ambitious. It's almost, you know, one would would would think it's almost hubris to think that that one that a person can do that. But I believe that God reveals his mysteries to those who seek him. So So it's not hubus. It's it's it's it's a love for the truth really. That's spirit of EMTT, right? The spirit of truth. And and what and what is very interesting is just how psychology maps onto all of it and how civilization develops and all of that. And if you and if you look at that from those I mean God blessed me with with an interest in psychology. I think it's because I'm autistic and I always wanted to diagnose myself and I didn't know what what direction to go. You know, I I had my diagnosis when I was in my 30s. So, so I had no idea what was wrong with me. Not that something's wrong with me, but but it basically led to to a long study of of psychometrics and typology. And it turned out to I ended up seeing that exact pattern around the throne of God, which is central to the investigative judgment, which is interesting. And and and then once it clicked that that has everything to do with the seven thunders that the seven thunders are is the structure is the temporal axis of the book of revelation.
That's how you structure it. That's the big enchilada. That's the key. The seven thunders is your chronology.
The three threshold tell you where you are in the investigative judgment. The beginning, the middle and the end.
Oh, by the way, the middle is the end of probation. But the end end, meaning the seventh thunder is the end. I mean, the the the uh the sanctuary will be cleansed.
Why isn't why does it have to be cleansed? By the way, I answer that in my book. Why would you even need to cleanse the sanctuary? Why partition something in heaven in into different rooms?
Maybe because a rebellion started in heaven. And if those rebels would confront God directly while remaining while still having access to the throne of God, they would immediately vaporize.
And God could not allow that because he needed the accusations to be tested and demonstrated in front of the universe that those accusations were false. And the accusations were so brilliant and well intertwined that the most holy angels, the most brilliant angels couldn't unravel the lies that Satan was able to mastermind and only the son could see through it. So he had to step in and and and and advocate for his father's law and his character, which is the same thing. Um, it's beautiful how you get these seven seven thunders and four phases of the end. You have a lion phase. That's going to be a hard one.
You're going to have an ox phase. That's going to be a bloody one. Then you're going to have a man phase where we all want to wait very scarcely and we want to we want to take care of those who are in need of wine and oil. And then you have the eagle face which will melt faces.
That's going to be very very sci-fi like I believe when we get to the eagle phase of things none of us have the imagination to be able to you know even contemplate with our current understanding of how things work and how the world is and how how predictable everything is with a cause and an effect and so on. I think it's going to be so different at that point because the demonic hierarchy is the fifth trumpet that's pre- probation closes, right? Once you have a demonic hierarchy taken full control over the earth so that the entire world goes to war in the valley of Jehoshaphat, right?
Armageddon, that's the sixth trumpet.
That's still prebation close. I mean, we're going to experience incredible things before the probation closes, but then after probation closes, then everything is up in the air, right? So, everything will be very sci-fi. You will have the 144,000 just teleporting from country to country performing miracles, you know, and most people will be dead by by the eagle face, too. I mean, I'm afraid only 144,000 will never see death. The rest will, but they will be resurrected. So, Thank you for that response. Um just wanted to follow up more so I I see how you're seeing it in different dimensions where it's more than just something physical. uh you're saying it's um you know cognitive uh but you believe because of those different dimensions that it could still both mean how you've explained in this theory but also where it says okay uh for instance with uh the pelor where it talks about the economy about how much things could cost that that still can be true at the same time as what you're saying is true of >> oh they they are highly correlated They're highly correlated. Yeah. So the the physical and the symbolic they both apply >> sort of how you know like I believe that um yes historically uh we've gone through revelation but um there is this quote from sister white that states that u you know that the prophecies of Daniel and revelation will preeminently apply to the last generation. So basically they will almost repeat themselves not prophetic time but literal time. So where we're now again starting it back over again, but this time we're going literally >> um >> and and of course there's there's as you mentioned breaks within the chronology of it where we jump, you know, from one, you know, from one chapter to the next chapter and back because we're zooming in and out of of how uh John saw it. But I I did want to ask, how do the seals um play a part in in here? Because I know for me when I read through revelation I believe it's the sixth seal when uh the the voices of those who have been martyed those who have uh you know died for you know for the word of God they ask how much longer and uh we're told that they are given their white raignment and so we know that the judgment of the dead have finished right because they received that white raignment so and that's when from that point on begins It's the judgment of the living. So just trying to find out how do uh the seals play into this.
>> Yeah. So the four horsemen are the four first seals, right? So the f the four horsemen of the apocalypse is seal number one, 2, three, and four. And then the remaining three seals, I would say once you've put the first four seals in their right slot on the temporal axis, meaning the seven thunders like I've done and their diagrams, then I believe the rest can be read more or less chronologically.
So you'll have the rest happen once the first seal initiates the second seal.
Sorry. Well, f first seal first. Oh, sorry. I'm I'm messing up. Um, it's the first thunder initiated in 1844. But the second thunder, which is the first seal >> that's still ahead of us. And I believe uh this is a big statement. You can quote me on it. It's I don't I don't know. We always speculate because we we don't know the the the the end from the beginning. But my personal belief I will share is that I think the white horse will release whatever he's projecting with his bow this year.
This year. and it will initiate the end times and we are going to go through a paradigm shift that I mean I don't know the percentage but I I'm guessing at least in Denmark where I'm from 99% of the population will just they're completely oblivious to this and they will be they will uh be given terminology to be able to process it because they they will not be able to do it by themselves. The cognitive dissonance will overwhelm them. So the media will give them terms, the their church will give them the right sermon, their government will give them the right, you know, legislation. Uh but it will basically be wrapped around the whole age of disclosure um transition that we are in the middle of. It's not like beginning now. It's been going on since 2017, which is interesting because that's a 500 year anniversary of something that's special to us all, right? The Reformation. But they began their age of disclosure in 2017 and it it it it escalated it accelerated in the same bill co in the co bill. I don't know if you guys know that.
I didn't know that, but I was wondering if you saw Brother Dean's presentation on here. I believe it was last week, but he was talking about the Jubilees and and uh again, a lot of um how, you know, God's appointed times is his times. They come together and and you know, like look at this. We're at the 250th of this nation. you know, like there's um I I would say we would be sorely mistaken if we thought that the deceiver would let um big dates like this go on without any type of uh pomp and circumstance for his for his plan.
>> Yeah. Well put.
>> Yeah. Had do you have a question? Uh why?
>> Yeah, it's just a comment on the last thing that was said. Uh I I feel also that like during COVID like because I was reading a lot of alternative news like we have in Norway and Denmark you have document.no ork and you have in Sweden also a lot of alternative news pages. So I think that we saw globally that they were focusing on educating people doing propaganda telling people what to think, what to believe, how to behave, how to react to things like to maintain life, maintain stability, health, security. And I think that could as well happen in during the next kind of global crisis that what you kind of mentioned now that uh the church, the society, the government, the media, everyone will be telling us how to react, how to focus, how to behave during those crisis to maintain stability. And also what you said like clinging on to power, to resources, to like be be in charge, be in control of things will be very important for those global forces, global elites. um whether it be the European Union or United Nations, World Economic Forum, there will will be a lot of um educating of the masters of the people via those means, those institutions. And I think also like um when we maybe like in the 50s and the 60s I it was told to be one of the best areas the best times in like uh the whole world after the second world war because everything was booming happiness family life indust industry production and everything and we have been a kind of a decline in recent years like with more poverty more pollution more riots. So I think um uh like most people they have um uh gone astray from the one true God message or or like the the the God of the Bible because I I find also nowadays like people in Christian churches or Christian um Christian people they're also talking about this ascendment and like rising up to the different level like different frequencies, vibrations and levels. They are not talking in in Clare about the descendant masters or ascended masters like those alien beings talking to them but they're like talking in a kind of a mixture of of a symbiosis between like Christian theology from the Bible biblical terms um names and words and kind of new age things. So there are a lot of people now focusing on I think it will be very easy to kind of get a new world religion. Um, a friend of mine, he's into the Freemasonry. He sent me a message like a screenshot that the Pope had said that uh, we can learn a lot, Christians or Christian people and churches can learn a lot from from the Muslims. And it kind of like they're like what you were talking about flattering other religions that you have something good, you have something we worship, that we can pay attention to, that we can learn from. And when you mix all this kind of um flattery for the Muslim religion and also for for the new age religion and you mix all of those together, if people are not stuck in the Bible like having a fundamental to stand on, they can't believe anything. And especially if the media like we saw in in co times, if the media is like doing propaganda or telling you what to believe about these things because I think most people nowadays they they focus they want more peace than truth.
is if truth is that there is one God and one son Jesus and that that's the only true message then you're kind of an a rioter you're making problems but if you're thinking all gods are the same god everything we believe in the same thing it's the same create creator and the same god then you open the doors to like one world religion to melting everything together just in the case of peace to have stability and peace instead of people staying focused on only the Bible >> yeah and it's just to add something to that great um point. The new age has a trinity.
I don't know if any of you heard that before, but the new age, they have no problem talking about the father, the son, and the holy spirit.
They do have their own terms, right? So say, okay, so the father is the will of the absolute.
Uh Jesus is the wisdom of the absolute.
And then you have the mobility or the action of the absolute which is the Holy Spirit or the the third ray of the seven rays. It's interesting that Satan uses all these terms like he's got the number seven rays or thunders. He's got it's going to be very confusing for people who are not settled into the truth intellectually and spiritually. I have two closing remarks.
First is this.
I have changed my mind about well not changed my mind but I have specified what it means to receive the seal of God. While I was writing this book, God really highlighted it for me. He emphasized what the seal of God is.
I must be honest and say I it was difficult to me not to mystify the seal of God. You know if you have the seal of God the locust demons are not allowed to touch you. If you have the seal of God you will be saved. You if you have the seal of God you will not see death. If you have the seal of God all good things come to you.
So I thought, the seal of God, that's got to be I want the seal of God, you know, how do I what is the seal of God?
And then you read some quotes from Ellen White and she says it has something to do with the Sabbath and you're like, okay, I I I I better keep my Sabbath.
But writing this book, connecting it connecting it to psychology and the and how cognitive science explains the development of civilizations and how ideology and the rule of law is fundamental and the mobilization of crowds and culture is fundamental to the law of of that government. and how then it develops through these cycles of force and opportunism and strategy and resource management and institutional development and so on and so on. I came to this very simple truth which is that the seal of God is not mystical.
The seal of God is when the spirit of truth, an intellectual truth and a spiritual truth takes hold of the of the inner you of the of the of the of the of the core of you and all the layers that make You are then saturated with this settling in into that truth.
And what is that truth?
That truth is this. That the creator of the universe is love.
And that love has appointed the majesty of heaven and gave him three jobs. The job of a prophet, the job of a high priest, and the job of a king to come and rescue you out from this world so you can participate in eternity of love.
And once you know that, once it sinks into these deeper layers and takes hold of the core of you, and from that core, every action, every decision, every choice permeates out from you and saturates the cultural field or you everything you do springs out from that knowing that that God is love and that he has employed his son to come and rescue you.
Then you will have received the seal of god in your forehead.
You will know.
>> Beautiful, beautiful end of the program.
>> You you will know. You will know. So the second comment was this is this and it's a shorter one, less poetic, less dramatic.
Does anybody know how the thunder gets its sound?
That's a question. It's not a rheto rhetorical question. It's does anybody know why the the thunder sounds like it sounds?
>> It's moving different layers of air. So, it like happens very rapidly and it's like sending the the sound waves or the air waves in movement. So, it's like a big crash explosion and starts moving the air air waves. That's half of the equation. There's the second half. The air cannot the it it it has to bounce out of something to make that echoey sound.
And I believe that I believe the thunder makes its sound by discharging plasma basically in the upper atmos and bouncing off the firmament of the heaven creating that echo sound. And I've seen some biblical creationist science scientists, let's let's just call them that, trying to make a miniature version of that with like a firmament with a dome firmament and then trying to do that and it creates the exact sound of a thunder.
So this is my most fresh speculation.
What if each thunder is like a like a warning that the firmament will depart as a scroll at the end of that seventh thunder because finally something will will crack or at least unfold. I don't know. It's just interesting. I think the firmament shows the glory of God.
M >> and has something to do with that and I believe that oh that's a whole thing not for now but I think biblical cosmology will will be very very very important in the end times once we have visitors that come from purport that they come from other places but anyway that's not for today >> thank you there Alex so maybe Ryan would you like to have a closing prayer today please.
>> Yes. Thank you dear heavenly father for the Sabbath. Thank you for brothers and sisters from all around the world coming together. Thank you dear Lord for technology that you have blessed us with the ability to speak together to see each other talk and be friends and be like one family. I thank you dear heavenly lord for what we have been discussing today what we have learned what we have got like food for thoughts and like Alex said I want you God to remind us to read the Bible in the same time as we read different other things like psychology or science that we can like have the Bible as a fundament the the guidance and the fundament for our thoughts and our studies today and for the future and for the rest of of the week. So I pray for each one of us wherever we come from that we can um uh do what we have learned today and heard that we can show love and have an understanding that you God you that you are actually love that you are a loving father and that you love us and that you want us to love each one of another together and to show your love to the world to be patient to be forgiving to be accepting and uh patient with with people around us to show your mercy and your love to the world in Jesus name. Amen.
>> Amen.
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