The Idaho 4 Part 12 (Circle of Kaylee & Maddie)

Added: 2026-05-06

[00:00:00]Hey y'all. Welcome back to another episode of the Idaho 4 series. This is part 12. Geez, 12 parts in and we still have a lot to cover. As we all know, this is a very complicated case with a lot of players on the board, which is why I've been working on a bit of a visual aid for us as we continue to unravel the social circle of Kaylee, Maddie, Zana, and Ethan. This is our new social map. And yes, I shall be using my magic wand to point. But up here we have everyone that we have discussed so far.

[00:00:30]And I do feel like I should explain this to y'all a little bit. These pink lines are romantic relationships. The green lines are like business or professional.

[00:00:39]Money's involved, right? And the blue lines are for close friends, best friends. And pay no attention to the to the ghost lines here. I started drawing black lines to the sororities and then realized that just caused a bunch of silly lines for no reason because I also color coded this. Like the Pi fi are all pink. They all have this pink border.

[00:01:00]Alpha fee, which is Kaylee sority, matches her color. And over here on the sides, we have their work. So that also matches the colors. Very fun. I love a good craft project. So now that I've explained this, let's get started.

[00:01:18]That's the intro. Today I want to take a look at Kaylee and Maddiey's other connections. specifically a few of the men in their social circle. While both girls did join sororities and had many close female friends and connections, there's really not any of them that are relevant to the case. Now, we already know that Kaye joined Alpha, she was not a Pi like the rest of the girls in the King Road house. And it is unusual for girls from different sororities to live together. But I don't guess that really mattered because Kaylee, Maddie, and Zana had all recently dropped their sororities. Something a little odd in my opinion that we will talk about more later in another video. But the point is Kaye only lived in the King Road house because of Maddie and the other girls in the house and all of their friends were Pi. So Kaye really had her own separate set of friends, which I think is why she wasn't as wellknown across a lot of the interviews as Maddie and Zana were. And it's also why we'll see so many pi on this board. But there is one alpha tie of relative importance here and that is Eric Gower, the Uber driver or the lift driver, whatever he was. Eric's connection was to Kaye. He was her regular trusted driver and he became familiar with the others through her.

[00:02:30]Eric was older. He was a former U ofi student and a former frat member, though I don't remember the frat he belonged to, but he was in his 30s and he was married with a kid. But originally he was the regular driver of older now graduated members of Kaylee sorority and she had been introduced to him through them. Most of the time Kaylee didn't even go through the app to get a ride.

[00:02:52]She had his number and she just text him directly. Eric told police that many of the girls rides were off the books and sometimes the girls didn't even pay right away. Though he did say that they all paid eventually. As we already know, that night, November 12th, that Saturday, Eric picked up Kaye, Maddie, and another one of Kayle's friends at the King Roadhouse and took them to the corner club. According to the documents, he dropped them off at 10:20 p.m. And according to Eric's interview, which is MPD 113 Kaye text him about 1:45 a.m.

[00:03:19]asking to be picked up at the grub truck. And surveillance video did pick up the girls getting into his car at 1:53 a.m. And I'm going to play y'all the clip, but pay attention and you will also see Jack Sho Walter walk right by the car after the girls get into it.

[00:03:33]Here it is.

[00:04:05]Now, this footage when it first came out caused a bit of alarm because across statements, various people reported a different color car that the girls got into. Depending on the person, it was described a little differently. Some people said it was a silver sedan.

[00:04:19]That's what Jack Scho Walter said.

[00:04:21]Others said it was a gray car. One girl said it was a light gray car, but someone else said it was a blue car that picked them up. And Jack Scho Walter in one of his interviews said that he thought Zanna picked them up from the grump truck. So, in my mind, I was always picturing Eric's car to be like a silver or like gray car. But I still always wondered about that blue car thing because why would you describe a silver car as blue? So, when this footage first came out, I about had a heart attack. I thought for sure this was proof that it was a blue car, but rest assured, this is Eric Goward's car.

[00:04:55]There's pictures of it in the crime scene photos, and the notes in lab number 11 shows that he drove a dark gray Prius. It was not silver or light gray. It was dark gray. And I think the particular color of dark gray was this like gunmetal color. It can look blue in some lights. So, worry not. That is Eric Gower that picked the girls up. and he dropped them off back at the King Road house at approximately 1:56 a.m. That pretty much sums up Eric Gower's involvement. And I know that some people are still a little suspicious of him because he was very accommodating to the girls, like why would he go out of his way to give these specific girls rides sometimes for free? But I'm not really suspicious of him like at all. But he's still on the board because he was one of the last people to see Kaen Maddie. And I did find it interesting that in the interview with Braden Jensen, Jack Dor's roommate, he stated that Eric Gower sometimes drives different vehicles.

[00:05:53]Sometimes he has a gray car, sometimes it's a silver car, sometimes it's a minivan. And that does seem a bit odd to me because where did he get all those vehicles and why does he switch them up?

[00:06:04]But all in all, I'm really not suspicious of Eric Gower like at all.

[00:06:07]The rest of Kayle's important connections seem to mostly revolve around her love life. We've already talked at length about Jack Decor, Kayle's ex. They broke up the previous September after 6 years of dating. And the breakup was a little hard for Jack, I'm sure, especially so when Kaye started seeing other people. And it does appear that Kaye was casually seeing a couple of people, which isn't a bad thing. It is very normal for college kids to date around, college girls and college guys. So, that in no way should be considered or looked at as some type of personality flaw because it was not.

[00:06:41]We know for sure that Kaye had been hooking up with Mason Barstow, the vice president of the DTD frat, for at least about a month before the homicides. And we also know that she'd been at least talking to another guy in that same frat. Someone with the initials er who Jack Dor even mentioned in his interview was always flirting with Kaye. And I didn't know who Er was until just recently. Like just the other day, I mentioned in the two Jacks video that I thought ER could be a guy named Ethan Rung because this was an ER that was on the executive board the same year as Mason Barstow and Connor Chestnut.

[00:07:17]They're all listed here in the same 2021 2022 executive board, but that was just a guess and I didn't know for sure. But now I am 99.9% positive that that is correct. I've been catching up on some interviews that I haven't listened to yet. And in one of Kayle's friends interviews, a girl named Payton Campbell, the officer asked what guys Kaye hung out with a lot or who she was seeing or hanging out with. And apparently they forgot to redact a name because you can very clearly hear her say, "Well, Ethan, obviously," but then said she didn't know who else. So, I think we indeed do have the other DTD guy identified, guys. I believe it is Ethan Runge.

[00:07:57]I'm pretty sure that's wrong. But I do still wonder if Kaye seeing two different guys inside the same fraternity could have caused some issues because I also still wonder what exactly Kaye would have apologized to Mason Barstow for. Cuz remember what he said in his statement ISP number 44. He and Kaye started talking about a month prior to the homicides. She would come back with him and stay at the fraternity. And y'all, I've almost forgot. This is something else I just put together. I just put this together last night as I was mapping this out. This says right here, they talked on Saturday at the blank pregame party. Originally, I was assuming it meant the whites, but that space isn't big enough for the whites.

[00:08:37]And I just dawned on me. What this says is they talked on Saturday at the 11:22 pregame party. Remember that before all the residents of the King Roadhouse went over to the whites for that pregame party, they pregamed the pregame and had a few people over at the King Roadhouse.

[00:08:56]And remember in the video about Jack Sha Walter and Connor Chestnut part 10, I think Jack's mysterious bestie. That one we talked about how a couple of Show Walter's friends went over to his apartment that morning before Show Walter and Connor also went to the party at the Whites and Show Walter also mentioned that a couple of his friends went to the pregame party at the King Roadhouse. And I said he doesn't have many friends. So I thought that one of those guys was probably Connor. that Connor and whoever this other guy might have been probably went to the King Road house and then went to Sha Walter's apartment. And y'all, Mason is the other guy. Duh. It was Connor and Mason. I cannot believe I didn't put that together before. It finally clicked into place because Mason and Connor were good friends. We know that. We also know that Kaylee and Maddie were best friends. So, of course, they all hung out together.

[00:09:51]Duh. That's likely how Kaylee met Mason was through tagging along with Connor when Connor was going to hang out with Maddie. Mind blown. It took me this long to put that together. But also, holy sh because that means that on November 12th, Connor Chestnut was inside the King Roadhouse. Connor Chestnut being inside the King Roadhouse that day seems important to me. And I thought it could be true before, but now I know it's true.

[00:10:22]But anyway, back to what Mason was saying. He said they talked on Saturday at the 11:22 pregame party where Kaye apologized to him and wanted to go to the game with him. He already had plans to go to a sorority formal with somebody, some other girl. Kaye texted him that night. He ignored it. Kaye was pretty drunk on Saturday. She was probably texting others to hang out as well. See, Kaye apologized to him for what? What happened that an apology was needed? Was Mason mad at Kaylee?

[00:10:55]I don't know. But like somebody pointed out in the comments, Kaylee did text Mason that night and he ignored it. So I guarantee you I guarantee you that Kaylee and Maddie left the corner club with Jack Sha Walter because they were all planning on meeting up with Connor and Mason or going back to the frat house where Connor and Mason were. But Mason ignored Kaye. So, the girls changed their mind and they ditched Jack Sha Walter at the grub truck. It makes perfect sense, doesn't it? It does to me because I feel like everybody's always wondered why they would leave the club with Jack Shaalter and then just turn around and ditch him like that. But that makes sense. So, this little mystery could be solved, y'all. Another thing that I've heard quite a bit about is that Kaye may have been seeing another guy from a different fraternity, a guy named Reed Upmore. His name appears on the labs and supposedly this is the guy in the picture that was floating around of some frat Halloween party and this guy was dressed in this like military getup and he had a KBAR knife strapped to his vest. KBAR Charlie is what I know that dude as which I'm not sure why he was being called Charlie if his real name is Reed. I don't know. All I know is everybody was calling him Charlie Kar Charlie. But I'm not sure where the Kaye dating him thing came from because that is not true. At least if Reed Upmore is actually Kar Charlie because that guy was interviewed by Idaho State Police.

[00:12:25]This is ISP number 115. It says a tip was received that expressed concern about a photo online that appeared to be a Halloween party where members of some fraternity were in attendance. In the photo, a male believed to be a member of the frat can be seen wearing a military-style body armor carrier, also known as a plate carrier. Attached to the front of the carrier is what appeared to be a large KBAR style knife.

[00:12:50]So, this is definitely KBAR Charlie. But here it says he had been to the King Road house about 2 months prior with a girl and he did meet Kaye briefly that night and one other time at the King Road House when he was there with a friend. He claimed he only met Kaye and did not know her or the other victims well at all. So, as far as I can tell, Kaylee was not seeing that guy. But there is one last little mystery about Kayle's romantic life. We know that before Kaye got her online tech job, she was working as a babysitter for some of the coaches. And a couple of those men acted a little bit dodgy when they were interviewed. Nothing serious, but one did refuse to give a DNA sample and also refused to let his phone be extracted.

[00:13:32]So, when I started hearing the rumor that Kaye might have been involved with a professor or a police officer, I figured that's likely where it came from, from the babysitting for the coaches. And I also assumed it was likely just a rumor. But there is a couple of odd comments, just little comments made in a couple interviews that makes me second guess that in Jack Schoalter's second interview in this paragraph 35, he's saying something related to this, but I'm having a hard time figuring out exactly what it says.

[00:14:05]I asked Sha Walter if he had any knowledge about Kaye having a blank relationship with a blank. Sha Walter stated he had heard rumors but thought they were weird because the rumor he had heard was Kaye was involved with a blank blank or blank and he understood Kaye was blank. Sha Walter believed it to be an outlandish rumor and it would be more believable if it was a blank blank.

[00:14:31]Obviously there's no way to know exactly what those blacked out spaces are. But if we take that rumor and fill in the blanks, it could say, "I asked Sha Walter if he had any knowledge about Kaye having a sexual relationship with a professor." Sha Walter stated he had heard rumors but thought they were weird because the rumor he heard was Kaye was involved with a police officer or blank.

[00:14:56]I don't know what that space would be.

[00:14:58]He understood Kaye was blank. I'm not sure about that word either.

[00:15:04]But it does have quotations. You can kind of see the edge of one quotation.

[00:15:07]So, I'm thinking maybe it says easy or something like that. I hate to say that because I don't think Kayle's easy, but that is something else I've heard.

[00:15:17]Though, maybe it wasn't Kaylee that was easy. Maybe it was those dudes that were easy. Then, Sha Walter believed it to be an outlandish rumor and it would be more believable if it was a blank blank. I think this could say it would be more believable if it was a U of I professor. Those spaces can't be police officer because the first word's too short. So U of I professor is my best guess there. Now those are just guesses. I don't know that those are the words in those spaces. We're just giving it our best shot. But none of that even really means much even if we did guess those spaces correctly because Sha Walter is really just repeating a rumor he heard. So that also does not prove anything. But I have also heard that there's an interview with one of Kayle's friends that mentions a police officer.

[00:16:04]If that's true, I have not been able to find it. I do still have a few more interviews to listen to. I didn't finish them all, so maybe it's in one of those.

[00:16:11]If anybody knows which interview that could be in, let me know. Point is, I don't know if any of that is true about the professor or the police officer, but I mean, anything is possible. And Kaye was a very beautiful girl, and there's some real young police officers, and I'm sure professors, too. I mean, the first officer on the crime scene, Officer Nunes, was only 22 years old, only a year older or probably less than a year older than Kaylee and Maddie. But I've yet to see any real proof of her being involved with a professor or a police officer. And note, even if she was involved with a professor, I do not believe it's Professor Scoffield cuz she will sue you for $10 million.

[00:16:51]That's crazy. Y'all know what I'm talking about. the Tik Tok psychic that got sued for saying that this Professor Scoffield lady did it, but her source was tarot cards. She was asking to get sued a little bit, but $10 million is still crazy. But these are really the only people in Kayle's orbit that seem of any real importance to this case, or at least out of the known people close to her. Now, for Mattie circle, we know that Mattie was in a relationship with a guy named Jake Shriger. He had already graduated, but was also a member of the DTD frat. Maddie and Jake had been together for two years and according to everybody's statements, they had a very positive relationship. They were very enamored with each other. And their friends say they talked on the phone every night. And I do believe that's true because there is a Tik Tok that Maddie posted. And in her video, all of the roommates of the King Roadhouse are acting like each other. It's very cute.

[00:17:46]I'm about to play y'all the full clip just in case none of y'all have ever seen it before. But when one of the girls is pretending to be Maddie, she makes a big show of leaving the room because Jake is calling. Here's the clip.

[00:17:57]>> It smells like dirty dick in here.

[00:17:59]Murphy, you've been a bad boy.

[00:18:04]>> Oh my god. Oh my god. It's 9:10. Guys, can anybody drop class? I'm [ __ ] late for my supposed to be 10 minutes ago.

[00:18:11]>> Did anybody do their chores today? [ __ ] I'm just going to do it.

[00:18:17]>> Did you see that right there?

[00:18:19]Oh [ __ ] you guys. It's eight. Got to go. Chase call. Oh J.

[00:18:25]>> Oh my god, I look horrid.

[00:18:28]>> Oh, you look so cute. Get get out of here. You seriously got to get out of here. You're [ __ ] stupid.

[00:18:34]>> Okay, guys. I know I talk about myself a lot, but like what would you guys do in my situation?

[00:18:40]>> D, where are you going?

[00:18:41]>> Yeah, I got to go pulling failed 12 already.

[00:18:45]>> Does anyone do like a wine night? Like, let's just do one thing.

[00:18:49]>> Yo, is it okay to have a party? Like, just three or four people at most.

[00:18:53]>> Ain't that cute? It is such a weird feeling watching the girls Tik Toks because Maddie posted some Tik Toks.

[00:19:00]Santa also posted some Tik Toks. And if y'all have never checked out their Tik Tok pages, you should. It's a nice reminder that they were real people.

[00:19:10]They should have been able to make thousands thousands more of silly little Tik Toks that none of us paid any attention to because they weren't famous. I hate that we all know who they are.

[00:19:23]We shouldn't. But as cute as that is, and as much as we know that Jake and Maddie were happy, they were very much in love with each other, we also know that Maddie harbored some secret feelings for a guy she'd been in an on andoff casual relationship with before she got with Jake. Connor Connor Chestnut, Jack Sha Walter's best friend.

[00:19:46]And we also know that during that spring break, spring break of 2022, that Maddie and Connor both went to Cabo with a group of UFI students. And that is where a kiss happened between the two of them.

[00:20:00]And it looks like whatever was resp-sparked between them in Mexico continued back in Idaho because in ISP number 45, a close friend of Kayle's told police that the only boyfriend issues that Mattie had was during a spring break trip to Cabo in 2022.

[00:20:18]Mattie and Connor had a thing. I don't know what these blank spaces actually say. The kiss or affair or whatever word they have redacted took place in Cabo and possibly after they returned. And it also says Maddie blanked her relationship. I'm assuming this is mended or fixed some word like that.

[00:20:37]Fixed her relationship with her boyfriend, which is Jake after the kiss with Connor. But we also know that Sha Walter, Connor Chestnut's best friend, also hinted that Maddie and Connor were still seeing each other. In ISP number 52, which lists some phone interviews.

[00:20:52]Number three is a friend of Kaen Maddie, and she also mentioned Connor. It says she mentioned a male named blank.

[00:21:00]I believe this is Connor because of some other statements, but I will say that these spaces look more like the spaces for Jack Shoalter. So, I do wonder if I was wrong about it being Connor that was involved in whatever incident took place at a Halloween party that was referred to a couple of times. I talked about that in one of the videos about Jack Shaalter and Connor, either part N or part 10. But now I wonder if it was actually Sha Walter who threw the girl down by her hair. It could be either, I guess, since both of them are described roughly the same way. But the date of birth here, which is 2001, also makes me think this is Connor because Sha Walter was born in 2000. But this says she mentioned a male that was fairly violent and got into a lot of fights. Maddie and Kaye associated sometimes with him as recently as October 2022, but she believed he had gotten kicked out of U of I. Remember when the freshman sober driver for the DTD frat was interviewed and he mentioned that he thought Jack Sha Walter had been kicked out of the frat? Remember? So that makes me wonder again if they're actually talking about Sha Walter. And I also wonder if she's talking about Sha Walter because of what she says next. That she knew that Mattiey's ex-boyfriend was named blank and her current boyfriend was Jake Shriger. Mattie stayed in touch with him and Jake didn't like that. She believed Maddie still possibly had feelings for her ex. Now, I automatically want to fill in that blank to say Connor, that she knew that Matty's ex-boyfriend was named Connor Chestnut, and that she possibly still had feelings for him. But I will say here that it is possible that the ex mentioned here is not Connor. I do believe it could be, but we also know that Maddie and Connor were never in an official relationship. They were casually seeing each other. They were hooking up on and off. A situationship, I guess you could say, but not a relationship. And Maddie did have another ex-boyfriend that the police went to see. His interview is ISP number 179. I'm not sure what this guy's name is and I haven't bothered to try to find out because he lives in Cordelane and he wasn't even in Moscow. Maybe Maddie was the type of person that had a hard time fully detaching from people. So maybe she had a tendency of keeping up with her exes because of that. Sometimes that's the cost of a loving heart. I saw a hard time letting go. feelings linger and can sometimes cause problems in the next relationship. I think that could possibly be what we're looking at here.

[00:23:21]But when it comes to Jake, we have very little information about him. There's no interview with him from MPD or ISP. And that is because just like with Connor Chestnut, Jake was interviewed by the FBI. And we did not get any reports on the FBI's interviews. The FBI has released almost nothing. Every person the FBI interviewed, we do not have access to those interviews. If you try to foyer them, they will tell you no because it's still an open investigation. Which is why it's always kind of funny to me when people are like, "Let it go. It's a closed case, is it?" Because the FBI doesn't seem to think so because they will not give that information up. And once again, I I feel that says something. But all we really know about Jake is that he was Mattiey's boyfriend. He was in the DTD frat. he had already graduated and he was living in Boise. And we do know that he was in Boise the weekend of November 12th and 13th. And we know that even though we don't have his interview because of another interview with one of Mattiey's close friends in ISP number 16. This girl says that she received a FaceTime call from Maddie the night of the homicides at approximately 1:50 a.m.

[00:24:32]Boise time. Remember, Moscow is 1 hour behind Boise, so that would be approximately 12:50 Mattiey's time. The girl said she was drunk during the call and Mattie appeared to be drunk also.

[00:24:42]The call only lasted approximately 1 minute. She was with friends during the call at a bar in Boise and Mattie was with Kaye at the corner club. She ran into Mattiey's boyfriend Jake at a bar called Amsterdam Lounge in Boise and she took a photo with Jake in the picture at approximately 1:15 a.m. And the officer did confirm the date and time on the photo to be from the night of the homicides. And that's about it. That's all we really know. But it is good to know that Jake for sure was not in Moscow that night. Now, Maddie had a lot of friends. She was pretty wellknown.

[00:25:16]She knew a lot of people. So, it's really proximity to the girls on that specific weekend that I'm looking at.

[00:25:23]And another guy in close proximity to Maddie that night was the creepy bar guy, Cole Barenberg. We did talk about Cole a bit in the Two Jacks video and the altercation he got into that night.

[00:25:34]If you haven't watched that video, please do so that you get a little more backstory on Cole without me having to repeat it all. But we know that Cole was in marketing with Maddie and they were working on a group project together doing the online social media marketing for the Mad Greek, the little restaurant where Maddie worked and where Zanna worked. And Cole was allegedly super drunk when he ran into Maddie and Kaye at the corner club. and he was hanging around them, but he was getting a little too handsy and aggressively flirty with some of their friends. Then he had that small confrontation with Jack Decor and ultimately ended up getting kicked out of the corner club that night. And judging by all the interviews, it seemed that Maddie was really the only one there that night that knew Cole. So, everybody else really only remembered, hearing, or seeing about the weird, creepy guy that was hanging around Kaye and Maddie. So, a lot of people repeated that there was some random guy at the bar that was being creepy to Maddie, which of course was repeated again and again as news of the murders came out and everyone's talking amongst themselves. So, obviously, it came up to the police a couple of times, too. So, they tracked down Cole Baronburgg and I will say I do understand why he was considered a person of interest at the beginning. He was a bit older than Maddie and the others. Born in 1995, he was 27 compared to everyone else being 2122. And it seems that Cole was in the military at some point before attending U of I and he also worked at a sporting goods store which did sell KBAR knives.

[00:27:03]That checks a lot of concerning boxes there. But there's also two additional facts of even greater interest. One, Cole Baronburgg was among the people who could not be excluded from the DNA found under Mattiey's nails. There's his name right beside Jack Decor. Now, that does not mean that it was his DNA, just like it doesn't mean that that was Jack Dor's DNA, but it does mean that he could not be excluded as the source of the DNA. He could not be ruled out. The test could not tell. And the second fact is that it seems Cole was one of four brothers.

[00:27:38]Remember before Aram handed over the IGG to the FBI, the IGG is the investigative genetic genealogy done on the sheath.

[00:27:47]How they identified Brian Cobberger.

[00:27:49]Aram did not identify Brian Cobberger.

[00:27:51]Remember, before they hit a brick wall, they identified four brothers of interest. That seems very interesting to me. But I will say I don't really think he is one of the four brothers that was identified by Aram because Cole did give a DNA sample. And supposedly hit that brick wall because after they identified the four brothers, they tracked one down and he refused to give a DNA sample. So they couldn't go any further. So, if Cole was one of those brothers, they wouldn't have hit that brick wall because they would have had a DNA sample. See what I'm saying? But then again, I don't know if I really trust anything about the IGG anymore and whatever author and the FBI had going on. So, I still find it worth noting.

[00:28:32]So, I noted it. But based on the two reports on Cole himself and not just someone else talking about the creepy guy at the bar, I don't really think that Cole had anything to do with anything. Most likely. I think is ISP number two. Cole said that that morning, the morning of November 12th, that he watched some college football and then went to the gym. That evening, his roommate had a dart tournament at Moose Lodge, which is next door to the Corner Club. He got to the Moose Lodge between 5 and 6:00 p.m. and started drinking.

[00:29:02]Moose Lodge had a veteran special. They were at the Moose Lodge until approximately 9:00 p.m. and then they went to Mingles Bar and Grill for about an hour. After Mingles, they went to the Corner Club. But at this point in the evening, he was intoxicated. He did not remember getting kicked out of the corner club and did not know why he was kicked out. At approximately 11:21 p.m., he and Madison Mogan took a picture together while they were at the corner club. Mattie sent it in a group text to blank. Also sent with the photo was a text message saying, "Get to the club."

[00:29:32]He didn't remember taking the photo with Mogan and didn't remember who Mogan was with. This was also the first time he'd seen Mogan outside of class in school projects. He didn't remember much from the evening, but said he walked home from the corner club. His roommate, blank, got home around 1:30 to 1:40 a.m.

[00:29:47]And his other roommate told him that he got home about 30 minutes before that roommate, so approximately 1:00 a.m., and that that was the end of the night for him. And then ISP number 24 is the interview with his roommate, and his roommate said that he and Cole met while they both worked together at Blank approximately 5 years ago. He had been roommates with Cole on and off for the past couple of years, but most recently a little less than a year. and they had two other roommates in the house. He said he has never known Cole to have a girlfriend since they've known each other, but knows of a former girlfriend named Blank, who he dated in high school. She now lives in Portland, Oregon. On November 12th, from approximately 9:30 p.m. to 10:00 p.m., he and Cole went to Mingles after attending a dart tournament at the Moose Lodge. Shortly after 11:00 p.m., they left Mingles and went to the Corner Club.

[00:30:33]Both he and Cole were drunk. He met a girl named Blank while at the club around 11:30 p.m. and did not see Cole the rest of the night. He was unaware of who Cole was talking or hang out with at the club. On November 13th, he got home around 1:24 a.m. and he went to Cole's room and saw that he was passed out. He was surprised to see him home so early because he normally shuts down the bar.

[00:30:54]He has known Cole to get flirty and handsy with girls when he gets drunk. He was unaware of Cole being kicked out of the corner club earlier that night. In Sunday evening, they talked about the incident and he remembered Cole mentioning that he had a marketing class with one of the girls, Madison Mogan.

[00:31:06]So, just by these statements, we can tell that Cole was not being creepy to Maddie and Kaye like some of their friends reported. It seems like Mattie was happy to see him. She was excited to run into him that night. He wasn't following them around to be creepy. He was following them around because he knew Maddie. But I don't doubt that he likely was creeping out the other girls.

[00:31:26]Even his friend says he gets too flirty and handsy when he drinks. and those girls didn't know him. So that probably did come across as creepy. So I think Cole's name getting mixed up with this case was in fact a coincidence. An unfortunate coincidence for Cole Baronberg because now he's got strangers saying his name on the internet like me.

[00:31:47]Sorry about that man. And no, I don't think he has anything to do with anything. He's still on the board. Sure is. Because he was still in close proximity. He also had military training, access to the right type of weapons and direct connections to two victims, Maddie, who he knew, and Zana through the Mad Greek over here because Cole was also working on the marketing and both those girls worked there. I do wish I knew more about this guy personally, like if he had any other friends or connections to any other important names in this case, but I I don't know. So, this is all we got on him. But I do wonder if him and Oh [ __ ] I forgot I was holding that. But I do wonder if him and Jack Sha Walter knew each other. I mean, they both were at the club that night. And I'd really still like to know why Cole Baronberg's DNA is listed in conjunction with Jack Sha Walter's DNA because that's some weird [ __ ] I mean, I still don't understand why they would do that. And nobody else's names are combined in the same lab item number. So why is Cole and Sho Walters? And I still have the question that if they test item three, which DNA would they be testing? Seems like some [ __ ] Yes. But speaking of Sha Walter, I did watch his interview on Lena's page, Truth and Transparency. If y'all don't follow her, you should.

[00:33:12]She's she's really good. But she recently posted Jack Shoalter's first interview. the audio of it. And I will And I will say I was a little impressed say I was a little impressed with Jack.

[00:33:21]with Jack. He was very forthcoming. He He was very forthcoming. He seemed eager seemed eager to help. He came across to help. He came across just through the just through the audio more honest than audio more honest than a lot of the a lot of the other interviews I've other interviews I've listened to. And I listened to. And I was not expecting was not expecting that. the audio of it.

[00:33:35]that. So Jack Shoalter is he's a bit of a conundrum to me because while he is one of the two most suspicious people in this case to me I also don't get a lot of deceptive vibes.

[00:33:52]So I don't really know what the deal is.

[00:33:55]You know I do feel that the Jack Schoalter Connor Chestnut connection is key to this case. I really do. I believe that that is an a very important detail. But on the other hand, that doesn't mean anything. You know, it doesn't mean that Jack Sha Walter did anything wrong. It doesn't mean Connor did anything wrong. It just means they look like they could have done something wrong. But I don't know. Maybe we'll find more as we keep moving through the social circle. But for right now, these are the people of note on our on our social map that we have discussed so far. Now, we'll be moving on to Zana and Ethan's circle. And I think we're going to start that off with the morning crew, which should be interesting. But this is about all I have for y'all today. So, if you enjoyed this video, please hit like and subscribe. I hope youall have a wonderful rest of the day. I hope youall have a beautiful weekend. Thanks for hanging out with me and I'll see youall next time.