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Scrappy & Sore in my Juicy Couture | Episode 177Added:
Have you ever canoeed down a babbling brook?
>> No, but I have cried at a Taco Bell.
>> Oh, same thing. Listen up, campers.
>> It's time to buckle up, pitch a tent, and take a hike >> because Camp Counselors is a variety show.
>> So, prepare for a good old-fashioned kumbaya, >> weird news, >> hot gossip, >> and scary stories around the campfire.
>> So spooky.
>> Is this podcast even about camping?
>> No, but it is camp.
>> This is Camp Counselors.
Hey, happy campers.
>> Welcome back to Cam Shady Birch.
>> It is week 177 here at Cam.
>> Jonathan, I want you to describe your outfit for anyone who's audio only because when you came out of our closet again and you said, "Is this okay?" I think it's more than okay, but I do think it's important to know what you're wearing. Um, a loose linen shirt and some coveralls.
>> No, really. What are you wearing?
>> I'm wearing my Juicy Couture uh velour tracksuit.
>> When did you get the blue one? Cuz cuz the infamous black one is the one that you almost you were sweating through on the flight to Portugal.
>> Yes. But I will say when I got my hair transplant, that did me wonders. Which today is the one-year anniversary of my new scalp.
>> What better way to celebrate than with a bedazzled hat covering it.
>> Your hair looks so incredible. When are you dropping that YouTube video you made?
>> When I finish um editing it.
>> Okay. Um I'm documenting this mostly for myself, but I am going to be getting a hair transplant.
Hi, I'm Jonathan and this was me at age 26. My hair was luscious. It was long and healthy. I was basically the poster child for Pantene. But 6 years later at the age of 31, this was my hair and I tried to ignore it, but that became impossible. So I did something a little drastic and documented it all. Have been awake for nearing 38 hours. I keep looking up if it's supposed to be normal to feel like you're laying on broken glass. Is this happening? I had a breakdown. I did. Let's see how bad it is. Oh my god, that hurts so bad.
It's happening.
>> Am I hot yet hot?
>> Okay. Cuz cuz your your results from your hair transplant are truly inspiring. My hair has been falling out so much lately and I it's annoying but at the same time I'm not overly stressed because I'm like look what it did >> cuz I feel like your hair looks insanely >> I kind of missed the era of my babushka era.
>> No, you were having >> not of the pain. My god.
>> Because what you're realizing as a person is that you love drag. You love a character. And I've I've known this for years personally. I'm always in a wig if I can be. And I think what you're learning right now is that you love to be in a babushka little scarf moment.
And even right now, >> I was also like so hyped up on painkillers. It was crazy.
>> Well, right now you're kind of playing around in this new territory. So you're wearing a baby blue juicy velour tracksuit that is cropped for your pleasure.
>> It is. And this is a double zero, would you believe >> that? They don't come in double zero.
That's XL. That's an XL.
>> Okay. Well, that's you're see you're setting unrealistic body standards. So, let's be honest with ourselves.
>> Um, but it is bedazzled. And when I stood up, there were a couple jewels on my seat, which was odd.
>> Where did you When did you get that one?
>> I've actually had this for a little bit.
It's just been in the closet, and I'm like, why not?
>> If he stands up, we will have to censor.
So, >> no. I definitely I will I'll put a picture here for Kevin.
>> No, just like the berries.
>> Well, no. No. From behind my juicy butt.
>> Oh, you just want the Yeah, you want to show it. Okay. Yeah, cuz it's Bazzle.
It's juicy on the front and it's juicy in the back.
>> I love to see that.
>> Ask your father, sweetie.
>> Okay. Well, I'm really excited because as we record, it's Saturday morning.
>> Yeah, it is. Good morning. Good morning.
>> Saturday mornings, I've determined right now in this phase of my life, are my favorite day of the week, my favorite time of the week. There's nothing I love more than a Saturday morning. And not too long ago, I was a man of the streets.
>> Yeah. you and every other third grader.
>> No, I I was a man of the streets for many years of my life. I was out. My favorite time to be out was the nighttime. I love to party like the bar and I still do, right? But I would have never have been like, "Oh, Saturday mornings, I spent so many years hung over." And I feel clarity right now. And I feel like optimism. And there's something about a Saturday morning that I think is just so reflective and so sexy. Like if you think about it, anything can happen on a Saturday morning. Like the possibilities are endless for your weekend still. And this is really speaking to the classic Monday through Friday 9 to5 crowd. Obviously if you're a weekend warrior, you don't feel this way. And that's okay because your Tuesday is my Saturday. So it's like we all get it at some point.
>> But then they're like, "Okay, but all my friends are like working on my Tuesday night and everybody has work on Wednesday morning. Everybody's got to be up early for the new release of the Camp Counselors podcast."
>> That's why people who work in restaurants are friends with people who work in restaurants.
>> That's so true. I love that a Saturday morning can be breakfast in bed or it can be a coffee at a yard sale. Like the thought right now, Saturday mornings to me feel like wet dew on the grass.
>> Oh, and it's also like now that it's getting warmer, it really is like a kiss from earth.
>> Yeah. Like ser like a Saturday morning in the in the in the in the cold hard winter. Ooh, I don't want to get out.
But right now when it's like it's like a crisp 50°, it's like no, let me throw the robe on and let me go get the newspaper in the driveway.
>> Yeah, maybe I'll go maybe I will go walk around the track a couple of times in my juicy couture tracksuit and it's not going to be busy cuz it's a Saturday morning and everybody's hung over.
>> I know. There's nothing worse than wanting like a really gorgeous breakfast on a Saturday morning and then showing up to the place and there's a wait. It's like I'll wait for lunch. I'll wait for dinner, but I don't really want to wait for breakfast. See, Saturdays weren't really like a breakfast. Saturdays was like a bowl of Froot Loops. Sundays was when breakfast was.
>> No, I'm talking about like at this point our lives like going out for breakfast.
>> Yeah, it's going to be a wave.
>> It's going to be a wave.
>> Unless it's brunch. You can't really do reservations at ye old diner.
>> There's this woman who works at a breakfast place kind of near us that we like to go to and she's like kind of obsessed with me in a way that's insane.
It is. And it's really funny cuz like I think it's funny cuz like she's like a big fan, but she has to like in her own words control herself around.
>> She said that and then at the end of it I was like I turned to you I was like wow she's like being like normal today and she goes, "Are you proud of me? I didn't freak out.
>> Can I show you my daughter?"
>> One time. No, one time she cuz she's always a lot when we go in there and it's fine. Like she's sweet. Um but one time Yeah. She ignored me the whole breakfast and I was like, "Oh, I think we've turned a corner. I think like I think it's I think it's worn like >> she's giving you the Boston treatment.
>> Yeah. I think I think she finally like doesn't care anymore cuz like we've met we've had multiple conversations and it's okay. And at the end of it she came up and she's like are you proud of me?
>> I didn't annoy you. And I was like yes I'm proud of you.
>> Thank you.
>> But I love going there on a weekend. I love running an errand.
>> I love running an errand on a weekend. I just love that there's no stress cuz Sunday scaries are so real. But we don't talk about the opposite, which is the Saturday morning muffins.
>> What's the opposite of scary?
>> Happy.
>> No, the Saturday sillies. I got to shake my sillies out.
>> I got to shake my sillies out. So, wherever you're listening and whatever day it is, just know that like that morning of a day off is coming and it's going to feel really sexy and amazing.
What can we do to celebrate after this?
Should we go get sushi?
I'm wearing this if we're doing that.
You say that there, but then we're going to walk into that place and they're going to say, "Get out."
>> I honestly Yeah. This is like I can't >> It doesn't fit you well. And I say that because it's a cropped and you have a very long torso and the way that it's bulging in the front is distracting.
Like I'm okay with it. Obviously, I don't know if the sushi place is going to be loving it. Also, you chose to wear a you choose to war wear a deep green sock with a baby blue and it's I've never seen that color.
>> The lights I didn't turn the lights on when I reached into the sock drawer first off. So, I was really looking forward to wearing the my Juicy Couture uh velour tracksuit and I feel >> I'll call your bluff. I'll call your bluff. I don't think you'd wear it in public, but if you want to, you've w you've walked out of this house with me in a dress how many times? I will support you in this.
>> Thank you. So that's all I needed. I appreciate that.
>> Of course.
>> Um, in in other news, where did we just come back from? We just came back from Oh my god, it was possibly the longest drive back from Pennsylvania to Massachusetts. It was like almost 9 hours.
>> Yeah, cuz you were driving so slow. I said, "Let me drive."
>> And then Yeah. You said, "Let me drive." And then we tried to plug in your phone into my Jeep's little what is it called? Apple AirPlay and it was it hated it. It any you you cannot have more than one account on there. I swear it disconnected my phone. It disconnected your phone. We're driving listen ecote alo listening to the radio which is I'm sorry it's not high def.
>> We listened to the radio for the last three >> three hours. We didn't know half of the songs. We were listening to 80s on the eights. No, it was kind of interesting too cuz they were playing some modern stuff at some point and I was like, "Oh, okay. So, this is who the radio >> this is who the radio thinks is popular right now.
>> Shake your ass to T pay and then get sad with Gracie Abrams."
>> Well, no, it was a lot of Somber and I was like, "Okay, so Somber is really like kind of like he's bigger, more general now, I guess." And there was someone else I didn't recognize, but yeah, your phone it said, "Oh, I will not put the CarPlay on for Zachariah."
And I had to give you a break from driving cuz you already you had already driven 4 hours. So I was like, I'll drive the final three. And yeah, no, it we listen to radio.
When was the last time you guys listened to radio for 3 hours >> consecutively? And And you know what?
Sirius XM doesn't count.
>> No, that doesn't count >> cuz it's limited commercial, sometimes no commercial.
>> Yeah.
>> Shout out to Emma on the highway. That's our friend. We know her. Um, but what were we doing in Pennsylvania? You may be wondering. um seeing that big old brassy bell.
>> Yeah. Well, we were there back at we didn't just go there to go see the bell.
>> Well, yeah, but nobody wants to hear be like >> I think they need contents cuz context cuz we didn't just drive to Philadelphia to go see the bell.
>> Well, this ad I'm doing isn't paying me for another avenue, but I'm I'm doing work with visitfilly.com, which you will be seeing probably sprinkled throughout the summer perhaps. Um, but yeah, we we went there and they put me up in a hotel and you came and you helped and you shot a bunch of my stuff and I was jumping on cobblestone roads in front of a bunch of strangers acting a buffoonery.
>> Yeah. And I was like, "Come on, smile for the camera. Not just over here cuz wave, please."
>> I'm like, "We'll do it in post." But something that's exciting to you that wasn't exciting to me because I've I've been there so many times was you got you actually got to see the Liberty Bell.
>> Well, the Liberty Bell is free, which does make sense, but I didn't know it was free. And there was so many times I walked past it when you were at work years ago before this podcast, like five, six years ago when we first started dating. I would go into Philly when you were at work and I just go like walk around. So, I used to walk by it and I could see it through the window and I was like, "That's cool, but I don't want to pay to go see it." I didn't realize it was free. Yeah. So, part of this ad, you have to go visit the Liberty Bell. So, we go in there and when we turned the corner and we saw the Liberty Bell, I was a little starruck.
>> You were like, "Oh my god, that's the bell." And I They have all these pictures from like years past of the Liberty Bell and where they were moving that thing toward the the country.
>> Yeah, it definitely is. They're trying to market it as like something that is all-inclusive to everybody. I don't know if that's truly the case. I don't know if every every group of people in this country looks at the Liberty Bell as a a moment of hope in your >> No, I don't think when it rang out, it wasn't. I'll tell you that.
>> But I had never seen that big old crack.
And this is what I learned. Nobody knows how it cracked.
>> And that is such a Fibberino Romano because somebody did it and there's two people out there.
>> No one's going to say they cracked it.
>> No one's going to say it. And there's two. Where's that movie? No, you know what? Copyright right now. I'm writing the movie. I'm coming up with my Stop.
>> National Treasure already came out.
>> No, it's Well, did they did they talk about that? Because >> they talk about everything. Everything.
Nothing is off limits in this.
>> Did you read the Da Vinci Code?
>> No. I have a >> Did you see the Da Vinci Code? I mean, >> no. I'm popular.
>> Oh my god. No. Your expenses are difficult.
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And now back to the show, >> babe. I had friends. I wasn't watching The Da Vinci Code.
>> Okay. Well, we were like in kindergarten when it came out.
>> Exactly. I had friends.
>> I tried to read the book.
>> It's big.
>> It's big. I was sitting in the backyard.
>> It's an iconic cover. It's like there's that mono.
>> I was sitting in an aderond chair and I was so uncomfortable >> place to read a book >> and I just had like this vision in my head and I think it was a Saturday back when that book came out and it was too old for me. Like I was too young to read. How old were you reading it?
Seven.
>> Um, >> did you take it from your your father's bookshelf?
>> Yes, I did.
>> Yes, I did.
>> I'm actually going to read this today.
>> Well, yeah, because like I they were in talks for the movie coming out and I was like, well, I got to get ahead of this correctly.
>> And then Tom Hanks was in the movie.
Correct.
>> Um, >> you're thinking of the Pelican Break.
>> I'm not thinking of The Pelican.
>> No, that was Denzel Washington.
>> I'm thinking of the correct movie.
>> Yeah. I don't know. But I was too young to And I remember I had this vision in my head. that it's a Saturday morning in the dewy dewy grass and I'm going to sip a lemonade with square cubes of ice which we didn't have. So I had to settle for I didn't I settled for the semicircles that were kind of >> those are the worst.
>> I know. And that's what we have. I'M LIKE GET RID OF THEM.
>> Oh my god. We have an ice maker in our fridge.
>> Freezer >> in our freezer. And it's the semicircle.
>> And what can we are there parts we can order?
>> It's a Quez anar refrigerator. And >> No, it isn't.
>> Yes, it is.
>> It's a KitchenAid. It's a KitchenAid refrigerator, which even better. That's like a nice brand. We We didn't get We got like a nicer refrigerator when we put it into this house. Okay. We splurged a little bit. I said, "I want my [ __ ] cold."
>> And I said, "Why? Why is the default Half Moon K?"
>> And it it does It's not mathing for me.
Why is that the standard? And no, it's so foggy.
>> It's not good chew ice either. It's kind of >> It's like break your jaw ice.
>> And we don't even have one of those night. Okay. Oh my god, >> we hate ice. I love a crushed ice maker.
Crush ice. Crush ice. Crush that ice.
>> Yeah. Amen. Um the one that Sam has when we go to Friendsgiving, she has the tabletop ones. Those ones are nice, the little nipples. But I do the chewy ones.
I don't want to have an ice maker on the counter >> and it is loud. It scares me in the middle of the night.
>> I'm not using ice that much to need it on the counter.
>> Yeah, but we were only using it cuz we needed it.
>> Exactly. But when my nana my nana >> your G >> my Gigi she had a crushed ice maker in the refrigerator on the door handle.
>> Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah that'll do it.
>> And you know what she used to always have for cups?
>> Those doublewalled plastic patio cups.
>> Your hand doesn't even get cold. There's no And inside sometimes. Yep. There's a patch. I'm like why is this?
>> So she didn't have the patch ones. They weren't fun and they weren't fun and freaky, but it was that classic double insulation. So, going up to her house, >> putting it in there, filling up with crushed ice and some water and watching Billy Madison on her TV.
>> The life, >> nothing like it.
>> Now, that is a full circle moment.
That's a Saturday to me.
>> And now we're 20 years later, and I'm sitting here with the trailer ice in my freezer.
>> I'm dead ass going to look it up and see if we can get that part changed.
>> Yeah, switch that part. Oh my god.
Square would be exquisite.
>> Square would be great.
>> And then I'll just get a mallet and just go crazy with my own crushed ice.
>> Oh god. No, but that's too loud. The cat's going to get scared.
>> I love when everyone like So I think everyone likes chewing ice for the most part. I don't think anyone's like anti- chewing ice, but they're like, "Oh, you must be anemic." It's like, >> "Yeah, use your sensitivity."
>> I have an oral fixation, and I love to put things in my mouth.
>> Yeah, you do, brother.
>> Um, how did we get here?
>> Um, the Liberty Bell, obviously, if we can take a couple steps back. Oh, cuz I was dreaming of reading Liberty Bell, Tom Hanks book, Aderondack Chair, Saturday morning, glass of iced tea.
Okay, full time.
>> So, you never read it?
>> No, I didn't finish it. No.
>> How far do you think you got at 7 years old?
>> I probably to the part where the guy was doing the uh torture on himself, which is possibly the opening scene, because I was like, "This is too much." They were talking about like ripping open Flash, and I was like, "I don't you asked."
Okay. Can I tell you something that I've never talked about before?
>> Come on. Gossip talk in a main episode.
>> No, this is bad. Okay, get the kids out of the room. So, when I was in eighth grade, >> this better not be [ __ ] and ball torture.
>> You're getting close. When I was in the eighth grade, we got all got to pick a book to read for a project and I was at a private Christian school. So gay. So gay, right? Oh my god, I'm getting nervous. I was gay. Did you catch that yet? I know.
>> So, I chose the book Water for Elephants and Okay, I'm getting nervous. So, in like the first four, so it's about a circus in the 20s, whatever. Great book. Now, it's a Broadway show. Um, so in the early parts of the book, at one point, one of the characters walks into one of the tents and there's a guy and he's drunk.
He's drunk as a skunk and he's laid out and he's naked in his bed and there's a very description of his like his twig and berry.
>> No, >> it's like very descriptive and it's probably like a paragraph and I remember I remember me in eighth grade. We're like 14 reading that 13 14 and I'm reading that. I had to close the book. I was fanning myself. I said, "Get me a glass of lemonade and let me read that paragraph four more times. Let me run it again." And I remember I remember having this book like out with my family and being like they don't know that I'm reading smut. Mind you, it was one line like one paragraph. It doesn't ever get up brought up again. And it was just kind of a descriptor, right? You would even think twice. But I literally like and I was like, "Nobody in this room knows I'm reading complete trash."
Smart.
>> And >> how was that in your library?
>> But no, it wasn't. We just got to go pick out a book.
>> Oh, okay. I would have picked holes. And it was a popular it was a popular book, right? Uh so and I and I remember buying it at like a local bookstore like it was like and it closed. It was so sad. Um but yes, so that made me think of that.
It was of an age appropriate book that I was I shouldn't have been reading. Like you shouldn't have been reading that book and I shouldn't have been reading that naughty passage.
>> I can't believe I still I haven't seen that movie. I haven't read that book.
Should I read it?
>> Um yeah, the book is great. I remember when they cast Reese Witherspoon as the lead and I said, "Oh my god, she's too old." And not to be agist, but she was just too old for the role >> to play the elephant.
>> No, that was fresh.
>> I don't know, babe. I'm going to be so honest. I don't know.
>> Witherspoon play.
>> I didn't know if it was an animated series.
>> No. Yeah, you're Yeah, you're confusing with with with Nick Jr. What the hell's wrong with you? Now you're playing a game. You're playing with fire and you're going to get burned. Oh, >> I thought Scarlett Johansson would have been perfect in the lead.
>> Well, you'll have to take that up.
>> And it never happened. Um, I didn't actually I actually never saw the movie.
Maybe we should watch it together.
>> We should. Oh my god.
>> Walking through that nasty curtain and there's that man leg spread open.
>> Ew. Okay. Maybe we could do that and then maybe just maybe we can talk about it on Patreon.
>> Okay. So, we we saw the Liberty Bell.
>> Yeah. We saw Miss Liberty Liberty and the way that you were like gagged and goopaya. I mean, it is it's a pretty bell. Oh, and what I was going to say was in all the old pictures when they were touring it around town.
I'm looking at these pictures from 1920, maybe 1919 >> and the bell already looks old in those photos. I'm like, it looks like an ancient relic back then. Like it was old.
>> It's attached to like a rotting beam.
>> It is. And they have to hold on to it.
But the thing is they I feel they get it off the bean. They weren't like preserving it. They were a little They were a little floozy back then. They were a little willy-nilly.
>> Everyone was touching it.
>> I was touching it, dropping it, >> kissing it.
>> Yeah. They took an X-ray of it at one point. We got to see that. That was cool, I guess.
>> Yeah. They were like, "Let's x-ray the bell." I'm like, "The bell's not um solid. Like, look underneath the hood."
>> Yeah. Just take a peek.
>> Pretty big. The head can fit right behind there. But they're like, "No, we want the X-ray. It's not a B." Listen, we just invented X-rays. We got to test it out. It's going to be great marketing for X-ray. Big X-ray. Big X, please.
>> I feel like when they when X-rays were just invented, they were like, "Let's just X-ray everything."
>> I know. They What does Oh my god. Can you imagine when they x-rayed a snake, they were probably like, "Whoa, whoa, what?
>> I don't think I've ever seen one x-rayed."
>> Well, you should look it up because big old mouse in it.
>> Oh, now you're being nasty.
>> Okay. But we also toured where they signed the Declaration of Independence, which was a little Can I be honest?
>> Yeah.
>> Little bit of a snoozefest.
>> Yeah.
>> I said, "Oh, a big open room." And the only time I gagged was when he said, "That's where Ben Franklin's at." I said, >> "Well," and they had like the original chairs, which was like, "Cool." But >> I was like, "Where is Ben Franklin's like big Oscar bait movie?"
>> I think I think here's my opinion. Well, he's problematic. So is everybody.
>> No, no, no. But here's my opinion is I think it's going to change a lot of things when slash if the truth comes out. I don't know what that truth is.
>> Okay. I think I think we're all very aware of the the problematic behavior of these people, but they're still making movies about people all the time. I just think from a level of sensation, I think he's been involved in a lot of kind of like crazy things. And like even if it makes me think he's a villain, I think it's still a story that we should know more about cuz it's kind of like Ben Franklin's everywhere. He's everywhere in Boston. He's everywhere in Philly.
He's on our currency.
>> He got around for sure.
>> He got He was >> I've never seen a picture ofies.
>> What does he look like young? I've only seen him looking like Santa.
>> Wouldn't that be nice to have a film >> called Ben? Just Ben.
>> Benjamin Button.
>> No, I wanted >> No, that would be good. Okay, so we went to the room where it happened. There's literally been like 17,000 Abraham Lincoln movies. It's like we've know his like >> the Abraham Lincoln Vampire Slayer.
>> Now we have Oh Mary. It's like now we've like paradised it. Like it's amazing.
Like can we get one Ben Franklin movie?
Maybe there is one.
>> There probably is, but it's it's going to be like independent. Yeah.
>> Part History Channel. It's like I didn't ask for that.
>> I want the Oenheimer of it all.
>> Yeah.
>> Like come on. Yeah.
>> And then we went to Miss Betsy Ross, home of the dress for last.
>> Oh my god. So Betsy Ross's house is pretty cute cuz it's little and it almost feels like Strawberry Shortcake would have lived there.
>> Yeah, but they preserved like it in its originality which doesn't really differ much from how the houses normally were.
They just kind of had like yards, a little courtyard in the front.
>> I kind of love that she's like right next to a palm reader and a vape store.
It's iconic. That's what Betsy would have if Betsy knew her journey, she would have been like, "Yes, like make sure I'm close to like a Parisian bakery like boots."
>> Yeah. She's kind of in the thick of it all in this little cupboard. And what what's what's her lore? She made the She made the American flag.
>> She did. She stitched it together. She had a symbol of gold.
>> So the American flag that's on display at the Smithsonian, that's not the one that she made. That one's huge.
>> They have one that she made. She made like a couple different copies.
>> I think she just had a lot of time in her life.
>> I wonder too if she's getting, and correct me if I'm wrong, I feel like she might be getting residuals.
>> She might be getting credit for a larger project. I don't know if she's the only one involved >> and we didn't take the tour there. So, we'll just simply never know.
>> We took a picture of you outside.
>> And where's hers? That's Reese Witherspoon could play her.
>> See, I'm not interested in Well, I don't want to say I'm not interested, but I think I'd rather I would put Ben over Bats. Oh my god. Let's put Ben over Bats.
>> Let's put them in a buddy cop drama.
>> Ben and Betsy take on the revolution.
>> Oh, hell yeah. That'll be fun.
>> Hell yeah. I wonder if they knew each other.
>> Hey, Ben.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay, I'll be Ben. You be Betsy.
>> OKAY.
>> OH, NO. THIS KITE. It's electricity. I made electricity. It's raining.
>> Oh, brother. Here he comes again. Big [ __ ] Ben.
>> Hey, Betsy. Hey Benny, >> quick question >> again.
>> How's that flag coming along? I've been wondering if you're making that flag for the country.
>> How's that gout coming along?
>> Okay, I didn't This is like not yes ending. This is just attacking. So I don't want to play anymore.
Literally me after the podcast episode's on.
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>> Attention campers, please meet at the old flag pole under the tall pine for morning announcements. Welcome back to morning announcements. Campers, this is the part of the show where we read news articles to you that you might have missed that we want you to spread like wild fire. Hey Johnny.
>> Yeah, >> you had an article.
>> I sure do. And guys, we are taking it for possibly the third time to Mount Everest. But this I found I'm sorry to your previous story, but I found this much more exhilarating than the poop bags. Okay, are you ready for this?
>> Okay. Why is my story catching strays all these weeks later? Like just read your story. You don't have to [ __ ] on >> Everest base camp sits at 17,600 ft above sea level.
>> We know that cuz I already told people.
To reach it, you must walk for 2 weeks through the Himalayas alongside a sherpa. Climbers start each morning in the dark and hike 5 to 8 hours a day. By the time climbers reach base camp, their body is operating on roughly half the oxygen it gets at sea level.
So despite how much training the climbers have, you know, headaches, exhaustion, brain fog, all that, all that stuff sets in somewhere around day 10. So, enter are two Canadian women in this in this story. And I I have their name, but I'm going to change their name for privacy reasons, which you'll hear about later. So, we're going to call them Thelma and Louise. Okay. Not sure if they're lovers, >> but isn't this article that already was published?
>> Yes. And I have three sources, and in two of them, they left them anonymous.
Okay.
>> And then in one of them, which was kind of like a a report, like a replace report, they um >> And you're like, I don't named them.
Yeah. Get involved.
>> Yeah. Okay. So, in November 2024, Thma and Louise, girls for life, cheetah sisters, if you will. So, they're climbing Mount Everest during one of the busiest trekking seasons of the year.
It's November, of course. Everybody wants to get up, get up there, get on top of that. Uh, but then near the end of their track, something terrible starts happening. They begin to feel sick and they can't go on anymore.
>> Oh, no. A medical emergency is declared and a helicopter is called. But there's just one problem.
These two women were now unknowingly victims tangled up in one of the most sophisticated fraud networks in the world. So in Nepal, helicopter rescues are genuinely life-saving. You don't need me to explain that. Like altitude sickness, there really isn't a way down if you're sick up there. you know, it's either like you get a helicopter, you grin and bear it, or you you simply pass. Um, so for truckers and climbers above 3,000 ft, I'm sorry, 3,000 meters, helicopter is often the only way out.
And travel insurance that covers the emergency evacuation is basically mandatory. So these people who are traveling is like you got to get all this insurance before you can even go up up that mountain. That system is exactly what made it so easy to exploit. Now, Nepal's police central investigation bureau has cracked open the case on this highly criminal fake rescue scheme.
Campers, are y'all ready for this?
Okay. So, at altitudes above the 3,000 meters, you know, people are getting sick. But guides and hotel staff, according to the CIB, which again is that the basically like their FBI, according to their investigation, guides and hotel staff have been trained to terrify treers at precisely this moment when they start to like feel sick and they're getting up high in there. So they tell them they're at risk of dying and the only and that only immediate evacuation will save them. In some cases, investigators found that guides had allegedly laced their climber's food with baking soda to induce the very symptoms that would justify a a rescue call. Are you following where this this scheme is happening? Okay. So once this quote unquote rescue is called, the financial choreography begins. A single helicopter carries multiple passengers, but separate full price invoices are submitted to each passenger's insur insurance company as if they had their own dedicated flight. So that $4,000 charter becomes a $12,000 claim to insurance. Then at the hospital, things are getting spicy and medical officers prepare discharge summaries using the digital signatures of senior doctors who were never involved in the first case who like who had no part of this scheme. Um, in one case, an office assistant at one hospital admitted that he had provided his own X-ray reports. Back to the X-ray, taken about a year ago at a different hospital to be used and submitted to CA as a case for treatment of foreign treers to claim insurance.
So, they're it's just like all around like they're doing whatever they want willy-nilly. So hospitals pay 20 to 25% of insurance payment to trekking company guides which is what's you know it's enticing to them to do something like this and a further 20 to 25% to helicopter rescue operators in exchange for patient referrals.
>> So the the helicopter rescuers, the hospital, the truckers and the hotel staff are all in on this.
>> The trekking guides, the truckers are the the victims like the climbers. Um, yes. Yeah, essentially pretty much. Um, and this isn't exactly new. Uh, it it kind of started picking up in like 2015ish when this was going on, but nobody really knew it. But between 2022 and 2025, investigators identified 171 cases that were confirmed as fake rescues.
So, at the end of 2025, Thelma and Louise filed a complaint with the CIB stating that their oxygen readings reported to insurers were dangerously low, around 50%. And they were like, m, I don't think that's right. That's really weird. Also, you charge us you charged us double for a helicopter ride that we were sharing with other people.
>> And they didn't even get to do the rest of the trip. So they kind of like they poison them to not fulfill their like >> so I don't I don't know if these girls were poisoned because there's also this they can either allegedly the guides can either allegedly lace the food with the baking soda to make them sick or they can actually get start getting sick and then the yeah the pressure is put on to be like oh my god this is bad you you're going to die the only way out of this is to to hellac you just say the word and that insurance claim is ours is kind of like sneakily what they're doing. Um, they also did unnecessary CT scans and intensive unit uh admission, intensive care unit admissions, and hospitals exaggerated their conditions to justify their paperwork. The most damning detail in this report by their FBI was CCTV footage recovered by investigators that showed foreign tourists drinking beer at a cafe while hospital records claimed they were simultaneously receiving inpatient treatment and in critical condition.
So they were like, "Oh, they're at the pub." So the investigators pulled the pub and they're like, "That's them.
They're not in the hospital."
Crazy. And on March 12th, 2026, oh, I'm sorry, the CIB released a 1,243 page investigation report. That's crazy.
12point font, no pictures. Boring. And on March 12th, 2026, Nepal charged 32 people, including helicopter operators, hospital administrators, physicians, and trekking company executives. Nine are in custody. The rest are currently on the run.
Oh my god. So they Oh my god.
>> And in wrapping this up poetically, as for Thelma and Louise, the two Canadian lovers, who knows who refused to stay quiet, are now a part of the public record. They went to Everest to reach the top of the world, but they ended up helping bring down the people waiting at the bottom.
And that is coming from the Cathandu Post. It's an article by San Gam Prean.
Um, and they really went in. I I cut out like four pages like this this uh this post wherever this the was published.
They went in. They were actually fighting with the CIB when he this guy was reporting it and the CIB wasn't really looking into it. And this is so like badass. At the end of it, he's like, "So thought you guys were taking care of this in 2018. What are you going to do about it now?" What? Like to the their FBI is what documentary.
>> I feel like it could like it is crazy.
See, I think they need more specific um story lines like the Louise of it all, >> but I think it's just it's too soon for that. Like the legalities are still up in the air. People are on the run right now. They got to wait till it's all cleared in court.
>> So, that's my uh that's my story.
>> Well, thank you for sharing.
>> You're welcome.
>> So, my story this week comes out of Southeast Michigan. So, a Southeast Michigan judge called out a defendant during a vital court hearing, saying it looked like she was operating a vehicle while participating in the video conference. He said, "Am I crazy or does it not look like you were driving the car?"
The judge said the hearing took place on Monday.
>> He's just like, "Wait, let me blur out the background."
>> No, it's so They're on Zoom. We'll get into this, but like she's looks like she's driving the car and the judge is pissed. So the hearing took place on Monday in the 33rd District Court in Wood Haven with Judge Michael K. McN presiding. So video conference participation is allowed on a case-bycase basis for court hearings in Michigan. The Zoom video platform shows an array of images of those participating whether they're in the courtroom or another location. So the case involving the woman in the car was one of the multiple cases recorded on the judge's live stream that day. So when the court officials noted on the record that the woman wasn't signed into the video call at the designated time, McN issued a declaration by default and began another conversation with attorneys.
>> Wait, after he had already called her out for driving.
>> I'm going to explain it. So like it's a judge and there's all these little like cameras going on and she he is like where is she? She's not on camera. It might she's not here.
>> Tina Bonita. So then a court staffer then interrupted the judge and was like I have an iPhone here that um I haven't been able to identify. So the camera's off.
>> Oh, she's the camera's off. Okay.
>> So she's there but her camera's off and she >> sent from my Apple iPhone >> and she didn't like be like it's me. So like they're like who is this one? Cuz like everyone here is accounted for.
She's not accounted for but we have one.
>> Wait, why didn't she speak up?
>> Because she's because we'll get into it.
>> Oh god.
>> Okay. So he's like she's like I have an iPhone here. can't identify it. The judge told the person on the iPhone to start the video function on the device and tell us your name, please. He's like, "Turn camera on. What's your name?" Okay. The woman stated her name.
She said that she didn't know how to virtually enter the hearing room correctly. So, she's she's blaming she's blaming tech issue here.
>> Okay. But that's also like that could be valid.
>> But now the camera's magically on. Oh.
So, McN, the judge, um, again insisted that the woman sign into the hearing with a video view, which she did. A video conference image shows her seated in a vehicle with a seat belt across her shoulder.
>> Oh my god, I see that, not the seat belt.
>> He goes, I just ordered a default judgment, the judge said as the connection was made. You can't be driving, ma'am, the judge said, shaking his head as he looked at the computer screen. What are you doing? Come on. She said, I'm not driving. I'm the passenger in the car.
The judge insisted he would not be hearing a case during which a participant was driving or a passenger in the car. Let me get into Don't cut it off. Let me get into it, please.
>> The woman said she would pull over, then continued to insist that she was the passenger.
She said, "I'm sorry. I'm having an emergency. I'm going out of town for a family member, but I will have my driver pull over. Hang on. The judge says, "What side of the car are you on?" She said, "I'm on the left side." He said, "How would you be on the left hand side of the car if you're the passenger in the front seat? Am I missing something?"
Oh, no. She's actually in Britain. She could be seen looking forward and also out the window as the vehicle appeared to be moving, but not directly on the phone screen. So, you can't see the steering wheel, but it looks like she's not even looking at the camera. She's like looking forward.
>> She's driving.
>> She's driving.
>> She's like left, right, left. She's like her little arms are going like this and she's trying not to. Did she have a fake conversation with a driver?
>> You know you're Let me finish.
>> Sorry, I'm excited.
>> The judge continues, "You know you're lying to me, right? Let me see the driver."
She appeared to sigh and said, "Hang on, I have to ask their permission."
He said, "Now," the vehicle stopped. She exited the door of the vehicle and appeared to be parked next to a business. No one else was ever shown on camera. So, she she's like, "Fine, we're pulling over. We're pulling over." She gets out in the parking lot. She's like gets out and then she kind of stands by the car and she's like, "What do you want to talk about?"
He he goes, "You think I'm stupid? I'm going ahead and entering a default judgment. You lied to me." The judge said his order for judgment of a one I think like $1,921 charge will reflect that the defendant was not available at the time and then driving a car and telling the court she was not. He said, "Have a great day.
Thank you." And then ended the Zoom call.
>> I see. Oh, sorry. Is that the end?
>> That's the end.
>> Okay. Question. What was she there for?
>> Um, it never really gets into it. I don't know what it was, but it could have been that serious that they were allowed her to be like on a Zoom call.
>> Okay. So, then this kind of brings it back to you covered a story minute and moon ago where a judge was getting pissed because this woman was on the phone call making a peanut butter and jelly sandwich and at face value.
>> Oh, you're right. I have another story like that.
>> At face value reading that headline um it's like what are you doing? What an idiot. How could you do that? But then through that previous story, not so much this one, but through the previous story, I learned for the first time that they're in waiting rooms for like up to hours and there is no countdown. You don't know when you're going to be entered into this thing. So if you have an actual emergency or you have something that you need to do, you're just, you know, we've all been put on hold for an extended period of time.
Just multiply that by the hours and be like, "Okay, >> you can't Jonathan, Jonathan, you cannot be driving a vehicle on a Zoom call thing."
So at the end of the day, like circumstances happened, but she had a scheduled court date. The last story was about her kid being sick and there was no control over that. This woman did not need to be driving a car.
>> No, she didn't need to lie about it either, but that like if she didn't lie about it, we wouldn't be talking right now. So >> yeah, it just I don't I don't >> Let me ask his permission.
>> I don't feel the need to like >> defend her defend this woman.
>> I just don't I think it's just really funny though. It's >> I'm just objectively looking at it all.
It's just no the but also like if you're gonna lie be better at it.
>> I saw the picture of her. It's crazy.
Like she's so >> they made her get on camera pull over then.
>> Yeah. Why didn't she do that?
>> So this was coming out of BCVB Boston's news leader and the article was by Paul Webbington. So this was like via CNN newsroom. So like everyone's kind of been reposting this but I got it off that website.
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>> Grab your bug juice and bear spray campers. It's time to pack it up and take a hike.
>> Welcome back to Take a Hike. This is the part of the show where we [ __ ] a little. We tell something to pack it up and take a hike. Um, what I'm complaining about this week, I you know what I hate?
>> What?
>> I hate a change of plans.
>> Hey, what happened to our original plan?
>> I honestly I honestly hate a change of plans, too, >> because it's never good. If something is good in a change of plans, it's like, "Oh my god, you're not going to believe it." That's what someone says.
>> It's not called a change of plans.
>> No, it's called an upgrade. It's called an upgrade. So, a change of plans is usually something bad, something negative, um something that takes away from me and and and the time that I'm spending. And I was fully mentally prepared to go to that frozen yogurt shop. And I didn't even get to go cuz that was the plan that actually had to change.
>> What was the plan that changed for you that really hurt? Why won't you share it? It's just it's about it's about my eyeball and everybody's sick of hearing it.
>> Oh, so what is it? You can talk about it.
>> No, it's just like it's not hey, change of plans. It's not getting better. You can't put your contacts in and actually you're going to have to shift around your whole schedule because you might have to go get surgery on it. That's not definite. But Zach is taking me to Boston. But in in any sense of a change of plans, I'm just over it. I'm over it.
What are we having for dinner tonight?
Oh, we were going to have pizza. Change of plans. Why?
>> Okay. You do not like surprises is what I'm hearing.
>> I don't like surprises when they're disappointing.
>> Yeah. Like if you're going to surprise me, it better be better.
>> Yeah. If you're like, I'm taking him out to um like our favorite Chinese restaurant. I'm like, whoa, that's an upgrade. Yeah.
>> That's a change of plans I can get behind.
>> Oh, yeah. I I now this is good for our relationship cuz now I know. I didn't really know this about you. I didn't know that it really stung you like that.
>> It does. I like to know what I'm getting into and I don't love going with the flow sometimes.
>> Yeah. You don't have to. So, you're getting older. You're getting more crotchety.
>> Yeah, I am. Thank you. So, what are you uh what are you going to [ __ ] about?
>> Oh my god, this is so crazy, you guys.
I need a second because the trauma is coming back to me in a way that I I can't even anticipate. Like, it was so bad, you guys. I was disrespected by something that was supposed to be such a treat. Like as a Big Back, as someone who loves food, who loves novelty food, who when when a when a when a restaurant comes out with a specialty item, I love to try it. Oh my god, I love fast food. I don't care that it causes cancer. I don't care that my cholesterol is up. I'm here for a good time, not a long time. And there was this new item that was announced about a month, two months ago that I had not tried yet that I was so excited to try.
So, we're on the way to Philly and we get off in the Connecticut Madison, Connecticut rest stop and there's a McDonald's there. And this McDonald's has been consistent in my life for 6 years, ever since we've met. I've stopped there a thousand times. The bathrooms in that rest stop are always very clean. It always smells nice in there. And the McDonald's is always very fresh. It's a good McDonald's. A McDonald's at lunch is always better than a McDonald's at dinner. even better than a McDonald's breakfast.
>> I don't like McDonald's breakfast. I used to like it and it always makes me sick now, so I just don't do it. So, there is this item that came out that was pretty viral. You probably heard about it. It was called the big arch meal.
>> Archer back meal.
>> This was the burger that the CEO was eating on camera last month that everyone was freaking out cuz he took a small bite. I don't Can I be honest? I don't think the bite was that small.
When I saw all the articles about it, I thought it was gonna be like Squidward trying this like the the tiniest piece of lint.
>> And it really wasn't the small. It wasn't a big bite, but it wasn't a small bite. And then it became like the ego Olympics of every CEO. It's like, look at ME EAT A WHOPPER. IT WAS LIKE, we agree CEOs do not belong on camera.
>> No.
>> Do not put a CEO on camera ever again. I don't care who runs your company. Keep them behind the scenes cuz it's pissing me off.
>> Unless it's like a small business baddy.
>> Yeah, I'm not talking about that though.
I'm talking about like these big companies in this case.
>> So anyways, this Big Arch Burger, this Big Arch Burger, I'm hearing all about this goddamn Big Arch Burger.
>> And can you explain what's on it because I still don't know.
>> I'm not even sure what I was eating. So it has the black sesame seedated bun, which I thought was >> And is that new?
>> Yeah, they don't have that on any other menu item there.
>> Okay.
>> I believe it's two quarter pounder burgers. They were not quarter pounder burgers. So that's a half a pound.
>> A half pound of meat. And it cuz usually it's the cuz the Big Mac they use tiny patties. Those are like small ones.
They're not These are bigger. And the the quarter pounder burgers are like the only burgers at McDonald's that are like on the grill. They're like the other microwave.
>> Well, those I think I think those ones come fresh. The other ones it's like we don't really know what we're eating.
>> Like the quarter pounders are more like Wendy's burgers where it's like a real burger.
>> Wendy's burgers are square cuz they don't cut corners.
>> So well McDonald's was cutting corners.
So it's those and it comes with white cheese. Not sure what kind, but it's white and >> monster. That'd be cool.
>> It's not monster, but I'm used to the orange cheese, right?
>> And then lettuce and then these crispy onions and then this like specialty sauce. So, all these things are really kind of like amaz Oh, and pickles. And I'm like, I'm into all this what I'm seeing. I'm I'm seeing good reviews about it. And the burger is massive. So, you were driving. I'm in the passenger seat. We eat in the parking lot for a second. And I open it. I go, "This is the biggest burger I've ever seen at McDonald's." I've never seen a burger this big at McDonald's in my life.
>> Is this bigger than Big Mac?
>> Oh, it's Oh my god. 100% bigger than Big Mac on weight and like width. Big Macs are tall cuz they have extra bread in it, but they're not that Actually, they're actually not that big. This was a big burger and I ate the whole thing because you know what sucks when you're eating a burger like that and it's messy.
>> You tend to eat it faster.
>> Yeah, cuz you're like slurping like >> Yeah. And it's kind of getting your hands and it's like I'm not kind of transition back and forth with it and we just kind of get it done.
>> Do you ever feel that way about sandwiches? They're messy.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I end up eating faster, bigger bites, chewing less, tummy hurts.
>> Yeah. So, I I'm I'm really woing this thing down like a dog.
>> He was I looked over, he's like, >> you know how like a dog dog tosses it up in their mouth to catch it.
>> And I was like kind of into it, but I did initially kind of get this taste of grease and I was like, "Okay, it's kind of greasy cuz it's one of those quarter pounders."
We are like 10 minutes after I eat and I go, "Oh my god, this is not sitting well in me.
I was nauseous for like 3 hours of that drive. I had to switch to driving to get my mind off of it.
>> He literally And let me just say that.
Well, I don't know if you were getting the McGurgles for the exit down south, but you had to grab the bag because you thought you were going to throw up.
>> No. And it was never at any point like, "Oh, I'm going to [ __ ] myself." It was truly like, "Oh, I'm going to throw this up." Like, it was the roof.
>> Something was so sinister in that sandwich. And I've never ever ever been sick from McDonald's lunch and dinner.
Breakfast, yes, cuz it's greasy. But the lunch, I've never been sick from it ever in my life. That that sits well with me.
That bodess well with me. But this did not bode well with me.
>> I wonder what it was. They just don't have it figured out yet.
>> I remember like 5 hours later being like, "Oh, I still feel it in me." Like I felt it sit in me like tar.
>> And it was And I was so excited.
>> You were. When we were just talking about what was on our hall of fame, that big rock formation.
>> I couldn't believe cuz it but the big arch wasn't on my wasn't on my >> No, it never will be. It's got to be buried.
>> And now I want it gone. I don't want to see it or hear from it ever again. My dad calls me. My dad calls me yesterday.
He's a huge McDonald's fan.
>> He's like, "Oh, I was thinking about getting that big arch burger." And I said, "Dad, dad, do not." Because he was in line at McDonald's yesterday >> when he called you. No, it was after and he was a bunch of McDonald's for lunch and it was the Friday. This was the Friday before Easter Friday.
>> He was like, "You wouldn't believe it.
People Friday." He's like, "People buying fish fillets out the ass." He goes, "I saw a woman, my dad, he's so me. We're the same." He goes, "Woman in front of me gets He goes, gets five fish sandwiches. No fries, no Coke. What's the point?"
I go, "What is the point? What are we doing here? Just getting the sandwiches.
Get the f You're already there."
Couldn't believe it. But he was like, "Oh, I want to try that big arch burger." But he goes, "You didn't want to wait for it." Okay, good. Well, >> but I was like, you're waiting for all of it. So, like >> we'll reiterate to him when we see him tomorrow.
>> I told him. He also told me he accidentally took 140 milligram edible.
>> And that is that's sinister.
>> He didn't mean to. He goes, "I woke up the next day still high." I said, "Oh my god, I was laughing." He called me last night. I was laughing my ass off.
>> I know you guys were giggling like school girls on the phone together.
>> I know. But I So yeah, the big arch meal. Anyone else had a similar experience? Drop it in the comments below.
Do you think the new counselor likes the top bunk or the bottom bunk? Over.
>> Either way, I'm giving them my boom taco keychain. Over.
>> Welcome back to Camper Crush of the Week. Wow.
>> Wow.
>> I'm feeling gratitude.
>> I'm feeling latitude.
>> I'm feeling longitude.
>> I'm feeling attitude.
>> What are you loving this week?
>> What am I loving this week?
>> Yeah. What are you loving? It's just something that I was reminded of that I think we really need to bring back.
>> What is it?
>> 3D movies.
>> Wow. I don't want to watch this at all.
>> Love a 3D movie. I >> love that over your glasses.
>> Well, that was that was rude. That was mean. And you know what? You're actually going to hold them for me. You can hold my glasses on my face.
>> What if I get you those ones that look like the binoculars? Like an opera?
That's going to make me dizzy. I'm going to feel like I'm spinning.
>> Okay, so what do you do? Do Do you miss the nostalgia of it or do you miss the technology of it?
>> Both. I'm like, where are the 3D movies?
I haven't seen anything since Shark Boy and Lava Girl.
>> Do you remember when like that one year where like a thousand US families bought that Samsung 3D TV?
>> Yes. My friend Amanda had it and I watched Wait, I can tell you what I watched cuz I watched the Lana Del Rey music video for Young and Beautiful and that movie that she sang the song for with the rich guy in New Jersey. Did that Lana Del Rey video come out with a 3D option or >> that was the thing or there were some things that you could watch that were in 3D? And I think she got the DVD for What the [ __ ] is that movie with the rich guy? Help me please. Not Catcher in the Rye. The other one.
Nope. Greatby. Yeah. Greatby. And um I think it was a bonus clip on the DVD. I don't know. A little killed nobody.
>> But that 3D TV and it kind of >> it looked a little bit like a diarama, but I didn't. I want to see. Here's the thing. I want >> I want a scene plot to be centered around somebody spilling liquid towards me.
>> I remember growing up and a big part of I was really into movies and like I would go to all the midnight premieres of movies when I was like a teenager.
Like I was really into that. I worked at a movie theater and we used to go all the way to Providence >> to go to the IMAX to watch things in 3D >> and I don't know, are people still really going out of their way to watch things in 3D?
>> They're not making them. And I swear to God, here's the thing.
>> Super Mario movie is going to be in 3D.
That feels >> Oh my god. Wait, that was the last thing we saw in 3D.
>> That was No, that was in 4D. No, some of them maybe knew. Zach and I got in a fight in the back of a taxi in New York City and we're on bad terms at that time. Oh my god, we weren't even >> And we're sitting in our [ __ ] seats in 40 wearing our stupid dumb dumb glasses. Let me finish.
>> We fought in the theater about the seats. That's what the fight was about.
>> Why would they have been about the seats? No, it was I I know exactly what it was about. And I'm not about too cuz the seats were broken. The seats were broken and I wanted to move our seats to the front and you were like, "No, I'm not doing that. I'm not getting up. I'm not getting up."
>> Babe, it was a scheduling complex and it was a it was I know what it was. And we got in there and >> the seats were broken.
>> Okay. So, the seats were broken >> and I wanted to move to the seat in front of us and you said no because everyone I was watching the movie star and people's bodies are being thrown to the left and to the right cuz they're in a 40 movie and our seats are barely shifting. No, it was like Rick Giddy. It was like >> No, I feel like we weren't getting enough movement and all we were getting was just cold fans blowing on us for 2 hours.
>> Smelled like hot dogs during the lava scene.
>> But everyone's screaming and laughing cuz they're getting water spray at them and their seats are moving and all >> our water spritzers are broken.
>> Our water spritz are broken. Our seats are barely moving and I have a cold fan on high on me and I wanted to move seats and you wouldn't let us.
>> My arms are crossed like this and I'm like dressed with my Princess Peach t-shirt on. I'm being like jostled like this, not talking to you and I'm like [ __ ] hate this movie. I hate my life.
I hate Princess Peach. Um, so I would love to revisit that because 3D movies are the best kind of movies.
>> I would love to go back to a 40 cinema that actually works. That's not for everybody, but I do think it's for me.
>> And I would love for you to go with Kira because I don't think that's for me again. I don't think I need to get jostled. I get like I'm like, okay. I don't like to get scared like that when like a bee comes up and stings me through the seat. Yeah, we I'm okay.
>> I think it's fine. Will you come with us?
>> Do they have normal seats? I'll take like the normal I'll bring a folding chair. How about that? A folding chair.
>> Do you see how he is like? Let's zap the whimsy out of the fun. I'll take the normal chair. Do you want me to sit next to you while you're stiff and I'm bouncing up on a balloon?
>> What does me enjoying myself in a different way? Why does that affect you so deeply?
>> Cuz I wanted to move seeds and you wouldn't allow it.
>> You wanted to bring the fight back up.
This is what we do. We I said we've already talked about this on the show and you said no, I want to bring it up again. So now you just rehashed an open wound.
>> I'm shutting down.
>> One of our worst days of our lives was seeing Mario in 4D.
It is like dead ass. Like looking back on it such a funny fight.
>> I know. But it was a really bad fight.
We were in a really bad mood. We honestly it was so bad that for the two hours we couldn't even snap out of it.
And usually we can snap out of a fight pretty quickly. That one. No. But we're just like like Mario Kart.
>> I'm freezing and I'm never cold. You're never cold. It was blowing us because it was the whole car. It's a car ride movie. So, it's like everything's moving.
>> Okay. So, we need to >> bring back 3D movies because they're not making them and I don't want to hear about how damn expensive it is. Here's the thing. Take two iPhones and stick them together. Okay? You're going to get a different perspective and I'm sure you can overlay them somehow. They've figured it out. What was the last movie we saw in the theater?
>> In the theater? Theater?
>> Oh, it was probably the um Wicked. No, it was the the one that we saw when she was drunk >> and she was yelling at people and she had chocolate.
>> Wicked.
>> No, that was the one with Amanda Cipher in Sing.
>> Oh, the Nanny Mcy.
>> Nanny McI's return to the attic.
>> Housekeepers. The house.
>> You read the book.
>> Housemade.
>> Freedom McFaten in that damn wig.
>> Baby, I got Freda McFat ass.
That was clever of me. Okay, so what do you >> I'm gonna read mine. So I saw a really interesting um like just like like a a meme or something and it was about crows and I was like wait is this true? So then I did a little deep dive and I found this really interesting article on medium.com and it was written by it was like a blog post and it was written by this person R Coron. K h o I r o tu n.
I'm not sure sure to say that, but I want to give credit where credit's due.
And they had seen the similar thing posted on threads and then they did a deep dive. So, I'm going to read what they wrote because it's kind of what I believe and I feel like it's like not taking ownership of this, but I think they just say it so well that I want to just read their words. So, crows can hold a grudge against a human for up to 17 years.
>> I didn't even know their lifespan went into the teens.
>> Oh, yeah. Birds last a long time. There was a dove that just became awarded the oldest dove in the country at 50 years old.
>> 44.
>> 44. Okay.
>> And his name is Sugar. And ironically, I'm not going to bring it down, but a dog of the same name, something else happened.
>> Oh, no. Sugar.
>> Yeah.
>> Sugar and spice.
>> And it was like it surfed. It was a surfing dog.
>> Oh, I saw that article on Upy.
>> Yeah.
>> Um, so crows can hold a grudge against a human for up to 17 years. 17 years.
That's nearly two decades of memories of remembering a face, a voice, or a feeling. I laughed a little at first, imagining a bird glaring at someone from a telephone wire year after year. But the more I thought about it, the more incredible it became. Crows, it turns out, are not just ordinary birds. They belong to the Corvid family, which includes ravens and magpies.
>> Yes, they love shiny [ __ ] >> Birds that are known for their intelligence. Scientists have studied them for years and discovered that crows can recognize human faces, use tools, solve problems, and communicate danger to other crows. In one study, researchers wore masks while capturing and tagging crows for observation. Years later, crows still remembered those faces and would scold or mob anyone wearing the same mask, even if that person wasn't involved in the original incident.
>> Oh, that they're having like non flashbacks.
>> That means that these birds don't just remember, they associate, they learn, and then they warn each other. The grudge becomes collective. It's passed down like a warming warning call echoing through time. Some scientists believe this memory could last up to 17 years and maybe even longer. It's just instinct. It's memory. And some say it's kind of justice. What struck me the most wasn't just their intelligence. It was their capacity to feel. Because holding grudges means something happened that mattered. It means they were hurt and they remembered.
>> Wow. I didn't think of it about it that way. is like, yeah, they're holding a grudge because it made them feel some type of way.
>> Yeah. Like they're so in touch with their emotions that they go back to the the herd, >> the flock, and they go this everybody listen up. I'm going to give you a descriptor and y'all need to remember for the next decade because if you see them and I'm not around anymore, you better check their eyes out.
>> I'm obsessed.
>> I love that. I'm literally dressed like a magpie's dream right now. Like a crow would love me. I would love a visit from a crow. I I've always been a little scared of them and I don't I now crows have had such a negative connotation. Same with ravens and I think it's >> I think it's not it doesn't it's stupid.
There's no there's nothing behind it like a murder of crows. Like somebody made that word up like they weren't born murderers, you know? They were born >> They're actually geniuses.
>> Yeah. And also where did bird brain come from? That's not an insult because they are clearly smart.
>> Yeah. Every species has idiots. Okay, look at our look at our White House. The dumbest are there right now. And look at the smartest people in the world on this podcast.
>> Camp chair.
>> But so my crush of the week is really going out to crows and me learning more about crows.
>> I love that. See, I love when you like bring a little like animal artifacts to the table or just a fact. Regular nature podcast. It's a natural observatory podcast. We're actually watching another Bravo show right now called Ladies of London and one of the main characters on it has a magpie as a pet and you said a lot of harsh things about the >> No. And I literally did I not identify it instantly.
>> Baby, I'm a born bird watcher. I'm a bird watcher.
>> I had this thought that as I get older I'm going to get into birding. Like I feel like it's in my body.
>> I think you should. Your mom knows so much about it. It would give you like something else to like really gab about because I think she's passionate about it and she's so knowledgeable and I feel like she could really fill you in on the scoop.
>> Well, it feels like birding is like real life Pokémon Go.
>> Yeah. Kira actually, we should have Kira talk about that.
>> Yeah. Like Well, Kira uses the app that like plays you like you just listens to things, but like I want to be able to identify them visually.
>> Well, yeah. And you can spend like you can spend literally like six months going down the same trails looking for the same birds and like you see them all the time and then one day just one random day when you're looking at the same area you've always looked at one bird appears that you've been looking for for years.
>> How exciting. What a thrill. What a thrill >> that is. I love cheap thrills.
>> Mhm. Come on. See you. What song's been sucking your head all week?
Welcome to Camp Songs.
>> Welcome back to Camp Songs.
>> Camp Songs.
>> We are adding these songs to our playlist that you can listen to wherever you have internet. Unless you downloaded it offline. That's none of my business.
But I hope you guys are jamming out with your clams out to this playlist cuz if you ask me kind of rocks.
So what song am I adding to the playlist? You might be wondering. Well, it's a little song we were listening to during our three-hour radio era, and that would be We Built This City by Starship.
>> And we're going nuts.
>> We I was going apeshit.
>> You were doing dissertations on it, and then other songs were coming out, and you were going, "Boo, it's not We Built This City."
>> No, because I like I love this song.
It's never I didn't even have it saved on my iPod. It's not coming on Scramble anytime soon. Nobody's playing it in commercials these days, so I'm not listening to the radio. So, I was like, "Oh my god, I forgot about the song."
And didn't the lyrics just come back to me just like that?
>> Can we get a few?
>> Um, we built this city.
We built this city on rock. Built this city.
We built this. Come on. You know the words. Rocking. And then once that synthesizer comes in, I am shaking my ass like you've never seen me shake my ass before. And in this Yeah, the juicy couture tracksuit with the sparkles on the back. It's going to look like a freaking disco ball in this [ __ ] Okay, so with that being said, um this is considered one of the most hated songs in rock history.
>> Really? By who?
>> Oh, many people.
>> Oh, I never got including from it.
>> Well, when I get into it, I'm like, "Oh, wait. I can actually see how that could play out.
>> So, Starship evolved out of Jefferson Airplane. Um, do you know who that is?
>> No.
>> So, when I had learned this, I don't even remember when I learned this, but I remember the feeling of being like, "Oh, wow." Because I I was listening to all of my mom and my uncle's like old vinyls and they there was a lot of Jefferson Starship. They play like White Rabbit. I don't know if you would know that one.
Um, don't love. So, they were like a 1960s. Yes.
So they were like a 1960s like psychedelic band.
>> Okay.
>> And then they took this weird nose dive in an airplane to a starship. And um the producer who made it initially hated the demo and he called it the worst thing I've ever heard. The band's guitarist also vetoed it. He's like, "Hey, that was the one and only time I'm playing it. Don't ask me to redo it. That was [ __ ] awful." And then you look at the cover of it and everybody's jumping up and down and I'm like shaking my ass in the car. How is it so iconic and wellknown if it's so bad?
>> The reason critics hate it so much is more of a hypocrisy because the song is about how corporate interests are ruining rock and roll.
>> Yeah.
>> But it sounds like the most corporate overproduced pop versus rock song.
>> It did. It felt like it was made for Kmart.
>> And Yeah. And they're kind of saying like, "Hey, we're the ones who built this city on rock and roll. like don't say don't be the big guy. And then it's like I can totally get it because hey, it's still getting radio play all these years later.
>> And rock back then was very political.
>> Yes.
>> Like you were like you were doing rock music to be anti-establishment and political. So to make a song that's so political >> this was also Yeah. This was 1985 and despite that it kind of did prove its own theory of like kind of why people were hating it because it hit number one on the Billboard Hot 100s.
>> So people did like it >> in No. Yeah, that that's where the controversy came in. Um, in November in 1985, also the busiest trekking season forever.
>> Are they mad that people liked it? Like some >> band. Um, so the girl who who was who sang it, she wasn't a big fan of it, but then I think years later people warmed up to it. The lead singer is kind of all about it. He's kind of like playing into it cuz he's like, "What am I going to do?" Like when um what is that magazine? I literally like need to take a vitamin.
>> Yeah. Or just say a magazine. It's easier for the audience to hear a magazine.
>> A magazine.
>> Rolling Stone magazine. I was on the tip of my sack. I knew it. Rolling Stone magazine came out with like the worst 50 songs of all time and this was up there.
But the singer was like, "You know what?
I'll take it. I'm on I'm in Rolling Stone magazine, guys." And it's like, you know, he's taking it how he's going to take it. Um, personally, I think it's a bop, but I can I can see how it is exactly hypocritical. And if you're also if you're interested in similarities of like hypocritical things, has nothing to do with the song, but I just did a video essay. I think it should come out by the time this comes out on Global Village Coffee House. Love that aesthetic. Not to make it about me for a second, but go watch that video essay cuz I was doing a deep dive and I was like, "Oh, wo, this is actually like super interestingly hypocritical and counterintuitive." And then I'm like, "Is anybody else talking about this?" And nobody was. So, I'm either really far off base or kind of like boots on the ground, breaking the ground, hard-hitting, factchecking.
>> You're my jackhammer. You're really cracking the case.
>> Thank you. So, that's my song that you can listen to and I highly encourage.
while Tony plays the mamba. Okay, what you got? My song is a song that I love so much that I was like, why haven't I talked about this song yet? And it's because I picked this song. It's called Killby Girl by the Back Seat Lover. I picked it because it reminds me of Saturday mornings.
>> It reminds me of like what we talked about at the top of the show. It just feels very light. And some of you may know the song, but it has 500,000 streams on Spotify. I mean 500 million.
>> Oh, I was like, "Okay, Andy." So, I feel like some of you must know it, but I'll do the chorus.
I heard that she was 19. She's got a fake eye and a nose ring. Those kind of girls tend to know things better than I do.
>> That's exactly how it sounds.
>> Wait, who sings that?
>> It's the Backstreet Lover.
>> The Back Seat Lover.
>> Oh, why do I think that that was like a a different band 1975?
>> No. And they're very similar in sound.
Yeah. And they're kind of from the same vibe. So it's this. So they're a group out of Provo, Utah.
>> Provo is like kind of one of the religious epicenters of Utah. It's about a 30 minute drive from Salt Lake City.
It's even more if when you think about like Mormons and like polygamy, like you're actually not thinking about Salt Lake City. You're thinking about Provo.
>> Well, if you know Paris Hilton and her documentary and what she runs around Provo Canyon. Yes. So, they're from Provo. They're actually not polygamist or anything like that, but that's where they just happen to be from. And they kind of formed in 2017. And this is kind of their huge breakout song. Um, but it's kind of cool. The reason why it's called Kilby Girl is because there's this place called Kilby Court, which is an iconic Utah venue located in Salt Lake City. And um it was established in 1999. Kilby Court is Salt Lake City's longestr running all age venue and widely appreciated as a springboard stage for beginning local and touring acts alike. Our DIY garage style atmosphere encourages close artist crowd interactions with the same intimacy as having a show in one's own backyard.
>> Well, that's cool. And it's also knowing that it's like all ages cuz it's Utah. I think it's a lot easier cuz the the laws are so different out there.
>> Yeah. And it's like very famous. In some early acts that perform there are Death Cat for Cutie, Doaat, Mackmore, Phoebe Brides, The War on Drugs, Diplo, Foster the People, Mac Miller, Vampire Weekend.
>> Is this the one that had the pool in the basement?
>> No. No. It just kind of like it looks like a backyard and like the stage is like you're like face to face the crowd.
So people like have started their like massive careers in there. So it's Kilb's Court and that's why it's called Kilby Girl based on that venue which I thought was really cool. Um but yeah, I love this song. It feels like a Saturday spring summer and it's really fun.
>> Just windows down.
>> Yeah. Um and the video is fun because they're just like performing it outside and the comment on top of the YouTube was the top comment was so funny I had to give it a shout out at and the hood 1108 said, "You know it's an indie band when they have lamps turned on in the forest."
>> I'm on Tumblr. I'm like Reblog. like they're just in force, but somehow there's a lamp that's like plugged into something >> and you know that that took so much work. Someone was running an extension cord. They were like, "We got to get the shot. Go to Home Depot."
>> It's in a truck plugged into someone's like >> and the generator and they're like, "You got to drive far enough away where we can't hear it while we're filming. Keep driving. Keep driving."
>> Lamp and it's like a they have a they have a white like bed sheet as a background for the drummer, but it's in the forest. It's very like indie, but they're a really great group.
>> What year did that come out? I'm sorry.
Um, the song came out in 2018.
>> Oh, >> yeah. It's kind of a new Yeah, >> this is And also, okay, everything you've said has shocked me so far because I also thought I know the song.
I thought that they were from like the UK.
>> No, >> they kind of sound like >> UK. I think they're very inspired by like you said like the 1975. I think that they're they're kind of like in that genre. And you know what?
>> Like actually we're in Provo. So grab your Provo cheese.
>> They're from Provo and that's why they're connection to Salt Lake City.
Kilby >> Kilby.
Great song. I've loved it forever. How many times do I play that song for you?
>> A lot. You actually used to rub my back when I when I had >> better than I do.
>> Where's our Q-tip on the floor?
>> Okay. We love you guys so much. That is the end of the show. Thank you so much for participating in camp activities. If you'd like, after the show, we are going to have a craft fair in the craft cabin.
Jonathan is going to be selling all of his macra. It's all started but not finished. So, if you're into beading or weaving, >> you can finish what I start. You can just finish what I started. That would be great. Um, >> he is overcharging. So, just you can you can haggle him. Haggle him if you can.
And also, the lunch being served at the messaul today is rusty nails and ham.
So, >> they're separated though. So, if you don't like your food touching, you are >> nails are for the that's what you're using for forks because the dishwasher broke and it just like we can't keep doing.
>> Well, you're going to get your iron, that's for sure. Also, the fire pit is covered in water, so we will be gathering around the lamp in the forest instead of the the bonfire. So, thank you so much. Give us a fivestar rating and review anywhere you listen to this podcast. We would greatly appreciate it.
If you want to be a part of our Monday episodes, you can send us an email. Go to camcounselorspodcast.com or email [email protected].
>> Yep. We'll see you next week. We'll see you forever. And with that being said, lights out, campers.
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