POISON IVY 5: Final Throttle - VCR Redux Sequels We Need

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[00:00:05]VCR Redux will begin in t minus 5 minutes. What the fart is VCR Redux?

[00:00:12]>> It's the show where we take movies from the VCR era and bring them back to today.

[00:00:17]>> How do we do that?

[00:00:18]>> Well, we start by talking about a VHS classic. And usually you'll say something like >> I haven't been this uncomfortable since I watched Meatballs for meatballs to the rescues with my parents. Oh, yeah. hour or you'll say something stupid like >> I wish we lived in a world where the garbage pail kids made as many movies as the Muppets, >> but I know you'll always see it through with a positive attitude.

[00:00:41]>> I hate this movie. I hate being here. I hate all of this.

[00:00:45]>> Oh, James Kennedy. Oh, well [ __ ] Well, let's go for this.

[00:00:49]>> He was in Son of Mask. This is genius.

[00:00:52]>> I am not a gamer. I just I I'd rather read books. I'm just >> seems like the old lady that's like, I got video game monsters, I got monsters in here.

[00:01:01]>> As long as we respect the passion and the artistry that went into these films, >> you know, obviously they took this movie, it's 93, right? You're like, "What do you want to see in your Mario movie?" And they're like, "Oh, we want it to be grim. We want a lot of death.

[00:01:13]We want tits and ass." Oh, and then we start the pitch ideas with modern-day sequels like We get a Bernie 3, Cocaine Mountain. Sometimes we take it kind of seriously.

[00:01:26]>> I'll watch a Paul Verhovven alien movie.

[00:01:28]>> Oh my gosh, that alien will have more vaginas than anything you've ever seen in your life. Sometimes this Hawaiian shirted fool will pitch something stupid like >> I would take out the virtuality stuff and just have it be about Jeff Fehee mowing the lawn. Sometimes the best pitches come from the live chat.

[00:01:46]>> Alex Bonafonte also pitches Grand Theft Star Fighter Vice Galaxy.

[00:01:51]>> Wait, wait, wait. I thought I had the best pitches. And what happens at the end of the movie? The ultimate fart. The fart that the warmth goes like all the way down to your socks.

[00:02:01]>> The only rules are there are no rules.

[00:02:04]Sometimes we cross over franchises. Only the truck from Tango and Cash can kill Christine.

[00:02:10]>> And sometimes we travel back in time.

[00:02:13]>> Like 1995 is missing a good Universal Soldier sequel.

[00:02:18]>> But you never know what we're going to pitch next. What do you do? Do you want like do you want Daniel Stern behind like a muzzled mask? Like >> we all know it should be Peshy behind the mask and like underneath the mask.

[00:02:31]You should hear him going like >> you are so proud of yourself for that one. I can't stand you.

[00:02:38]>> I would also love to see a Charles Bronson version of It's a Wonderful Life.

[00:02:44]>> What?

[00:02:45]>> Direct to me. If you made a shot for shot remake of Scarface with Goofy and Aluccino, it would be amazing.

[00:02:53]>> Lori, you need me to be the bad guy.

[00:02:56]>> It's like the worst 1987 Disney movie Disney ever made.

[00:03:02]>> Schlongo directed by Jim Warski.

[00:03:04]>> Like, I would watch a whole bowl of that.

[00:03:06]>> Do the John Holmes story. Add a comedy spin to it.

[00:03:11]>> Wow, the Wonderland murders are so funny. I'd watch it on my mobile.

[00:03:17]>> Something happens and he goes into a coma. He gets like, you know, hit by a car or something. I know this is dark, but like bear with me. He's got to go.

[00:03:24]>> You just go like hard to kill with Ferris Buer.

[00:03:27]>> I'd watch it on my iPad.

[00:03:30]>> If you want to just like throw in the kitchen sink, it all works. Like Alien versus Predator versus Robocop. Like that works. Alien versus Predator versus Terminator. That works.

[00:03:39]>> Alien versus Predator versus Earnest.

[00:03:42]That works.

[00:03:42]>> That works. I respect everything you just said.

[00:03:46]>> I need David Silver and Terry Silver and the Sloan family all learning the Quicks and but they're doing it in Breaking Three Hydraulic Booaloo and it's underwater. It's going to be incredible.

[00:03:59]Eat your fing James Cameron. I got the underwater movie you can't touch.

[00:04:04]>> That was the most disgusting thing I've ever heard on in my life.

[00:04:08]>> Mr. Toxy goes to Washington. My ass would be in the theater tomorrow.

[00:04:14]>> If Harley Quinn gets seven movies, then Tank Girl should get at least 70.

[00:04:19]>> That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard of in my life.

[00:04:22]>> I mean, why should we even bother with Look Who's Talking when Airbud is soaring to new highs.

[00:04:27]>> All I know is I want Danny McBride.

[00:04:30]>> I'd want him doing anything other than writing Halloween movies. Honestly, anything that keeps him away from thating job, I'm for it.

[00:04:37]>> Just let him talk out of his butt. I don't care how he does it. I'd rather not >> constant powers doing the mock arena.

[00:04:44]>> That would be the opening credits. Come on.

[00:04:47]>> But we have not yet had Die Hard on a halfpipe. What if John Mlan Jr. was a pro skateboarder and also an avid machine gun enthusiast?

[00:04:57]>> Skater die hard count.

[00:05:10]Oh, what up virtual people? Welcome to the 238th episode of VCR Redux, where we take your favorite franchises out of the analog air and bring them back to 2026.

[00:05:20]I'm your host, pop culture punk Chris Styles, joined as always by my co-host with the most complaints, film professor Ian Clank.

[00:05:28]>> Hi.

[00:05:33]>> We have two radical guests on the show tonight. First up, the third leg of our video tripod, Mac Daddy Mickey Torres is Mick back on the show.

[00:05:41]>> What's up everyone?

[00:05:43]>> And rounding out this righteous crew, the formerly blonde Bobby Master is back on the show.

[00:05:50]>> Hey, >> before we get into the poisonous uh part of today's episode, guys, I did want to raise your attention one more time to a very serious cause out there. our beloved MK, a mini Kyle who's been running the chat for us for like going on five years now. Uh he makes this all possible for us. Um he has a GoFundMe out there. If you guys could share it or could, you know, anything you could drop in the bucket would be so appreciated.

[00:06:15]MK does so much for us and has asked for nothing in return. The least we could do is uh tip our caps and uh a buck or two for our our dear friend MK in his time of need. All right, getting to the poisonous stuff. We are here today to put Darlene Connor in danger, to defile Cheryl's deathbed, and to sexualize everything from ET to Degrassi. That's right, folks. This world needs Poison Ivy 5, and we're here to give it to you.

[00:06:41]But before Ian blames his condition on gas station Ivy exposure, we got a dish on how poison ivy came into our lives and what we love about it. Of course, that goes double for you at home and everyone watching in the live chat. Was it love at first laser disc vital VHS?

[00:06:56]Hit us up in the chat and let us know how Poison Ivy came into your lives. So, Bobby, when did you first get poisoned?

[00:07:06]>> The minute I was born. Um, no. Uh, so I was a big Drew Barammore fan in my adolescence.

[00:07:15]So, I discovered this movie in like the early 2000s because like I like this was like the best look for her. Like I think she definitely like peaked lookwise >> in 1992 with this blonde hair, black roots look. That's always been my thing obviously. Yeah, that's what I used to look like.

[00:07:34]>> Um but um yeah, I in the early 2000s I was I I discovered it. I was I was a big Roseanne fan, too, and a Charlie's Angels fan. You got Cheryl Lad in this [ __ ] Um, and also let me point out point out that Leonardo DiCaprio is credited as like kid number two in this movie. Do we know this?

[00:08:00]>> I noticed that in I noticed that in the credits, but I obviously did not see him as kid two or anything in there. I didn't I didn't spot him. Has anyone spas anyone has he ever been spotted?

[00:08:10]>> I I never spotted him. So, >> I spotted who who apparently he is, but it doesn't look like him because you could Google it. Um, but I it doesn't look like him, but like that would be if I ever met him, that would be my question.

[00:08:24]>> Oh, for sure. Yeah, it's got to be right in between Growing Pains and like What's Eating Gilbert Grape? It's the missing link. Yeah, Critters 3. Yeah, >> you acknowledge Critters 3, Chris.

[00:08:34]>> Oh, I you know, I acknowledge Critters 3. I think you should put that like on, you know, that should have won the Oscar. [ __ ] you know, the revenant, you know, sell out pieces, you know, >> but I feel when this movie came out, it was around the time of like the like the early 90s when there was like all this like softcore erotic thrillers that take place in like mysterious mansion type places that seem so like >> aka the producers house.

[00:09:04]>> Yeah. Yeah. There was a whole slew of those.

[00:09:07]>> Oh, it was a >> I watched them all and I I was not ashamed of it then and I'm somewhat ashamed.

[00:09:14]>> I know our audience we tal we've talked about it before. The '9s were king of it was either family entertainment or it was thriller sex erotica. Those were those were the two movies out there >> cuz you needed something to watch during the daytime with the kids and then at night time when you when the kids were to bed needed >> if you think about it though like I mean was it really that different from like the sex the runchy sex comedies of the era? Like I figure in those runchy sex comedies you probably had about three like boob scenes per average, right? And that's kind of what you have in a lot of these type of movies like whether it was like you know um u what's her name like a Megan Ford ninja movie or um you know um who's the god who's the real tall one who married um >> married Kevin Eastman um Julie Strain you know like there was a whole subgenre of Roger Corman produced movies like this >> they all had the same >> also there was also boxing Helena which was also like the whole like mysterious like mansion type thing that was >> Bobby knows. Bobby knows that when he mentions boxing Helena, I've got a a DVD of it handy waiting for his next visit.

[00:10:26]This has been collecting dust for like six months, waiting for Bobby to come back over.

[00:10:31]>> It's so messed up. It's so messed up.

[00:10:34]>> I am waiting to discover how messed up.

[00:10:37]Anyway, >> Jennifer Lynch's first movie. It's David Lynch's daughter's first movie and she was like condemned by like the film world for making this movie. There's so much like Madonna and Kim Basinger both like dropped out mid filming.

[00:10:52]>> Wow.

[00:10:53]>> I need to see this film. Anyway, what are we here talking about?

[00:10:57]>> Poison.

[00:10:58]>> Like Bobby, hold up the DVD cover. Like this is what I love about the DVD or the VHS covers of the of the era. Everybody got their hot, sweat, sloppy neck was kissed and there was a gun on the cover.

[00:11:13]Like that's every 90s erotica member.

[00:11:15]>> Yeah. Sometimes a giant lot holding it. Yeah.

[00:11:19]>> Yeah. And it's like one guy to the side who's doing this and he's like sexily looking into the >> to like buy this like rent this movie and then there's like neck kissing over here. Side note, that's why I love Andy Sedaris because he would have like, you know, also a Lamborghini and explosion or like a speedboat and a >> Sure. For sure. Exotic local and explosion. Um, but you know, Mickey was I guess was this is old enough to be a McDate, but this wasn't a big theater film. So, >> no, no, this was HBO or something like that. Late night.

[00:11:53]>> Late night. This is definitely one of those things where and I you know and I love you know Drew Barrymore like you know obviously like >> at her peak this was her hottest ever saying >> yeah to me like you know like I you know like hey do you do you like like never been kissed like yeah I like never been kissed and stuff like that but she's goofy in that like whatever case it be this this is like hot prime Drew Barrymore like this is like when you think of when I think of Drew Barrymore I think about that era where she was like, you know, smoking.

[00:12:28]>> Yeah, I loved her style. I loved her style in this movie. I loved her outfits. I loved like her hair.

[00:12:34]>> It's a great Oh, yeah. Definitely. I loved the look and the performance and all that, but for me, Peak Drew Barrymore will always be Wedding Singer, you know? That's just one of my favorite movies of all time.

[00:12:43]>> You know, it's like Tim Curry, you know, everybody has their version of Tim Curry, you know.

[00:12:49]>> So true.

[00:12:49]>> So, some people are mad loved, I'm sure.

[00:12:53]It's like the comedy side of Drew Barrymore. I mean like again I I love like let's be honest like I love all you know Drew Barrymore movies and I love Drew Barrymore period. So it doesn't like it doesn't matter. I'm just saying from a from a from a standpoint of hotness like that was >> Yeah. Agreed.

[00:13:11]>> That was on on display.

[00:13:13]>> Mad Love Mad Love is an Aerosmith music video wannabe movie and you know it. I know it. We all know it. Well, well, that's fair. Um, well, what about Poison Ivy? Were you allowed to watch this in the Iowa corn coin fields or did you have to >> Oh, I don't remember.

[00:13:32]>> I don't remember watching it. I know it was on HBO. I I just never I never watched this one. I was more into The Crush >> with Alicia Silverstone. I just >> I just watched that.

[00:13:47]>> Yeah, The Crush was good.

[00:13:49]>> I'm surprised you just saw that. They all kind >> No, I mean I just recently watched it like over.

[00:13:54]>> Oh, okay. Rewatched. Okay.

[00:13:56]>> I saw the other one for the first time where she was the babysitter. That's called The Babysitter, actually.

[00:14:01]>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:14:02]>> I thought that they were the same movie for a long time and that like they changed the title of it like overseas and I was like, "Wow, it makes sense as a title." Like >> because I feel like that the covers were similar.

[00:14:13]>> Yeah, >> for sure.

[00:14:14]>> And they're both erotic thrillers from the early 90s.

[00:14:18]>> There were so many, dude. There was just so many. It was And >> I watched I watched this I think I remember watching it uh probably my late 20s. I remember getting a copy of it and just watching it and >> I was probably in like a I probably watched Body Heat and I was just like >> throbbing in the heart, you know, to like watch more of these and so >> you Nobody can pass the body.

[00:14:45]>> This is definitely what was throbbing, right? All right.

[00:14:46]>> So, there was definitely also, >> but nothing beats, but I'll tell you the top one, nothing beats blown away.

[00:14:53]>> Cory Feldman socks on during sex.

[00:14:57]Nothing is better than that in any movie you'll ever see.

[00:15:01]>> That is I mean, [ __ ] Hang that one, you know, put that one in a book. I want you know, if you ever read a book, that's the forward. Cory Felman with his socks off. That's as sexy as it gets.

[00:15:11]>> God blow his socks off. Sorry. Socks on.

[00:15:15]Yeah, his socks were on in that one. And he had the long hair. It was long hair ponytail Corey.

[00:15:21]>> Oh, this was the this was the new Jack Swing era. This was the I'm just going to rip off the dangerous album shamelessly era.

[00:15:29]>> But it was it was just >> PTSD. Just thinking about it.

[00:15:32]>> That was a genre in the 90s. It's just the erotic thriller >> and and honest and you peak >> there was peak bit was basic instinct I think. I mean, from >> to to basic, I think, was >> this this here's the thing. Poison Ivy created a whole new subgenre, and that was essentially within it was the genre within the genre, of course. Um, where you're doing the Basic Instinct, but you're also taking a kid and, you know, former kid actor who wants to strip it down and say, "I'm not a child anymore, you know, now I'm a >> Elizabeth Berkeley in Show Girls." that became a thing. You know, Molly Ringwald did one of these. A lot of these like former >> Milano sequel, >> Liz Milano in the sequel. You've got Ice Becky O'Shea ice box from Little Giants in the fourth one and the girl from Degrassi in the fourth one. Like Jesus, like >> I'm, you know, my head is spinning. But yeah, >> you needed to do a coming of age movie, so to speak. You needed to shatter the imagery of your your youth. So she like Drew Barrymore had to get rid of the ET fire starter, you know, like >> and Drew Barrymore also.

[00:16:42]>> Have you ever seen Far From Home?

[00:16:45]>> Uh, I don't >> It's really [ __ ] up.

[00:16:49]>> I've seen I've seen her I've seen her Amy Fisher one.

[00:16:53]>> Yeah, that's what I was about to say.

[00:16:54]Didn't she Amy Fisher, right?

[00:16:57]>> That's the Bafuko one, right?

[00:16:59]>> Yeah, I love that one, too. Oh, Alyssa Milano did a Amy but Alyssa Milano did a Amy Bafuko one too or like a Lolita too the 90s everybody. Yeah, this is the thing. It was imitating life life imitating art. It was the sleaziest most scandalous [ __ ] time. Like even the president was grabbing >> and that was real life. That was real life.

[00:17:23]>> Yeah.

[00:17:24]>> Yeah. No, it was real life. Did that [ __ ] I mean I feel like the ' 90s was the time of scandal and these movies reflected that. especially the like child star turn sex symbol notion of it all. Um in the >> for me it was great cuz it was like a lot of them were like around my age when I thought >> ah to be Yeah.

[00:17:45]>> I remember I do remember thinking this is like an adult the good son. I do I do remember.

[00:17:50]>> Yes. Yes. This is very much got good son vibes. Yeah. Definitely.

[00:17:53]>> Yeah.

[00:17:54]>> And I felt bad for Melissa >> in reverse though. in reverse though because the evil in the good son the evil one already lives in the house and in this one like she shows up and [ __ ] everything up.

[00:18:06]>> Yeah. Yeah. I mean I mean yeah I do remember like thinking like >> this is what Melissa Gilbert went into moviewise. Like this is what she chose which I understand why she chose it but >> you mean Alyssa Milano or what's her name? Sarah Gilbert.

[00:18:20]>> Sarah Gilbert. Sarah >> Sarah Gilbert. Sorry. Sarah Gilbert.

[00:18:23]Melissa Gilbert's the Little House in the Prairie.

[00:18:25]>> I want to talk about the sister, right?

[00:18:27]I mean, I'm surprised that wasn't a [ __ ] one of these.

[00:18:30]>> They're related, right? Are they not?

[00:18:32]>> I want to talk to the hair stylist who carved that Egyptian eye into her head.

[00:18:37]>> That was real. That was real.

[00:18:40]>> Oh, man. That was as 90s as it gets. I mean, I can feel the Doc Martens, you know, like when I see that >> this whole this whole movie the the first two movies are so 90s it's not even funny. It's like it's literally >> got Tom Scar in it. They're so 90s they got Tom Scarat to be in it.

[00:18:59]>> Yeah, >> Tom Scar. I mean, I'm I I just got to say this before I go to the live chat.

[00:19:03]You know, I was looking for I I had not seen this since, you know, since it was like a fresh, you know, release on like film on TV or whatever.

[00:19:12]>> Um, and like I'm expecting Drew Barrymore to really be like, you know, seductress, like pulling the strings, puppet master, like really, you know, spiderwebs, all that [ __ ] No, Tom Scar's kind of just a [ __ ] creep. Uh, we'll get into that.

[00:19:28]>> He also I feel like even as like a young uh 12year-old closet case, like I felt he was miscast. I did not think he was a DF, you know? I don't think he's hot still.

[00:19:41]>> So, they have that problem. They have that problem in almost all of these.

[00:19:45]Like, like Xander is supposed to be seductive in the second one. Like, come on.

[00:19:50]>> I mean, let's be honest. It's like the only one that could get, you know, kind of like can can pass or take you get a pass on this is basically Michael Douglas. Michael Douglas could have been in all these movies and people would have been like, "Oh, it's so great.

[00:20:07]>> He was in this.

[00:20:07]>> He could for Ian's sake, for Ian's sake, one of these could have used a [ __ ] Treat Williams or something like that."

[00:20:14]>> Sign me up for a James Brolan. You know, he was doing this kind of [ __ ] at this point in time. He was doing Shannon Tweed movies, you know, um like one of those a David Bradley, you know, like a Sasha Mitchell, like something. Yeah, they could have like I I I sort of get >> Let's go fun and do >> Sorry to this man. Sorry to this man.

[00:20:37]>> You You needed an older You needed >> I love Tom Scar. I love No, I love Tom Scar, but it's also like weird like they I don't know that just that scene where like she sees him without his wig on or whatever and that's like the weirdest.

[00:20:49]Yeah. Like I don't know what that scene is there for. That is like one of the weirdest scenes I've ever seen in any movie.

[00:20:56]>> It's because like he's the newscaster and he has to like be hot on tele I mean like not bald on television. Have you ever seen a bald like newscaster? I don't think I have.

[00:21:08]>> Oh dude, you didn't grow up in the [ __ ] Midwest, dude. They were all bald out there.

[00:21:12]>> Like the funny thing about >> bad hair plugs and bad hair plugs and terrible wigs. Oh, anyway, I do want to get to the live chat.

[00:21:21]>> I do want to get to the live chat. So, let's see who tuned in to get poison tonight. We've got Angie Saunders, the mashup genius. Mikey Riffraff, the other bashup genius, and Matthew Sharp. We got three mashup geniuses out of the gate.

[00:21:31]Thank you so much for tuning in, guys.

[00:21:32]We got Kaitlin Alman, America's Next Top Model. Whiskey 41, the great Alex Bonafontai. Al Bonafontai, why can't I talk? Bonafonte, our good friend, Joanne. Joanne, what up? Rand, our favorite Canadian, and Michael Reachi, our favorite location scout. Thanks for tuning in to get Poison Ivy, guys. Uh, Whiskey Orb says, "Why are the sequels numbered? Shouldn't they be poison oak, poison stomach, poison mushroom?" Never mind. Matt says, "So, Poison Ivy on VHS simply because Drew Barrymore was in it." I think that is what the producers were counting on.

[00:22:04]Uh, Cobraai Joanne says, "I rented this from Blockbuster." That is like, yeah, this is such a blockbuster film. Such a 90s like such a VCR film. Anyway, poison on the shelf just mentioning that. I could see it on the Blockbuster shelf.

[00:22:19]>> Yeah, the blue carpet, like the stale popcorn, just all of it. I can, you know, the overpriced candy. Um, I'm getting wonderful flashbacks memorabilia. Why did they sell so much Pink Panther stuff there?

[00:22:34]>> I don't remember that.

[00:22:35]>> I don't remember. I just don't remember.

[00:22:37]I never went to I was never a Blockbuster guy.

[00:22:42]No, it's on. I'm not >> I was on I was an owner. I was an owner.

[00:22:46]I was a Sun Coast video kid because I wanted to buy the movies. I don't want to rent them.

[00:22:54]>> Sun Coast. I used to go to Sun Coast like every week and buy like horror movies or whatever DVDs. I would buy >> Oh yeah, dude. How many You know how many horror tapes I got for 10 bucks from Sun Coast?

[00:23:05]>> I would go through them with a fine tooth comb. I would look at every single title. Like I don't have that like I don't have that energy to do now. But back then like I would literally start at the A's of the comedies and the Z's and I'm like all right on to the dramas.

[00:23:23]I will say this about VHS, there was something about the dimensions of a tape like that they were just thick enough that even when the tapes were like you were looking at the just the spines, you could navigate through pretty briskly and like that's something as DVD it got really thin. So then it really takes more time to read all the titles and you got Blu-rays got thinner and you know >> I think VHS was the the the the allore of VHS was the spine like reading like seeing the spine like and seeing the title and going from there. When DVD came out to me it was all about the cover. So you wanted to see like you know it lined up like that and it was like kind of like a like a comic book store in a way like you like oh man I want to see that. Like if the cover was like front, not the spine. Yeah. Okay.

[00:24:11]>> Exactly. You wanted to see that the spine like it was so small. So like it would it wouldn't have the same impact.

[00:24:17]>> So DVDs >> said I was VHS cover guy and the DVDs, you know, they would do the cheap early 2000s Photoshop crap >> and some of a lot of the B movies would do that. Yeah. The reason I like the spines is like I remember two two things that really got me into this and and I'll stop with on this rant with this, but I remember buying a Vanam Universal box set and then seeing all the like Universal logos at the top of the tapes lined up and thought that looked really good. And then I remember at one point my dad, even though we owned them all, my dad bought like a Rocky box set of tapes that like it was all the sides of the tapes were him with the American flag or whatever and they lined up lined up across a bunch of the tapes and I was like that's Awesome.

[00:25:01]>> They did that with Nightmare on Elm Street, too, I think.

[00:25:04]>> Yep. Y >> Yeah, the first I think DVD release uh box set out of of the Platinum series, whatever. God, that takes me back. New Land Platinum series. But anyway, um yeah, I I feel you. So, those any rate, you know, this, you know, VHS nostalgia runs runs rampant with these movies. But also in the chat whiskey for saying I forgot this movie and confused it with the Alicia Silverstone Carrie Elways one. Um that of course is the crush. Uh, Jennifer Rubin, of course. Um, God, love that movie. Um, but yeah, I love that whole genre. You know, there should be I wish I had a shelf of subg genres. This would certainly be one of them.

[00:25:39]>> Um, yeah, this one for me, I feel like it this is one of those movies that felt like it came out right on TV. And maybe I'm sort of confusing it with the Amy Fisher one or whatever.

[00:25:52]>> Theatrical release. If if this is the only one, this is the only one that did.

[00:25:57]if it did.

[00:25:58]>> Yes.

[00:25:58]>> Yeah. The others were direct to DVD. I know that.

[00:26:00]>> Yeah. The second >> they were before DVDirect.

[00:26:03]>> Yeah. Direct to video. Yeah.

[00:26:05]>> Um which is ironic cuz they were all New Line still. Um the the next few, you know, so >> New Line in the 90s, man. Such an interesting.

[00:26:13]>> Well, I did look up something that's interesting uh just because I haven't seen the sequels, but they they wanted to bring back Drew Barmore for every single one.

[00:26:25]>> Well, that was the problem. the director fought it to kill her and then realized that was a stupid mistake because everybody loved Drew Bear more >> and you know they they >> Yeah. Oh my god, that could have been like like a a trilogy of her like just moving on to [ __ ] more people's lives up. That would have been awesome.

[00:26:47]>> Yeah, but they director was like, "Nope, the whole reason I did this so she dies." They had contract >> bastard.

[00:26:53]>> So, >> but here's the thing. Like I mean like let's let's ask this serious question.

[00:26:58]Was she really out to [ __ ] people's lives up or was she really just wanting to become those like she wanted those things?

[00:27:06]>> Yeah. You know what we get? She's she's still an enigma. We we get none of her backstory at all. The backstory in the third one it's kind of like I don't know. Like they call her Ivy but her name wasn't Ivy. You know Sarah Gilbert's character gave her that name.

[00:27:24]and you don't know what her real name was, >> which is the inontinual which is the inconsistenc I mean it's such a me this is such a meatball series where it's like they're so barely connected you know that I want the Ian challenge the thing that unites them all and makes them all make sense you know with Jamie Presley and Alyssa Milano uh and to me to me that third that that fourth one the secret society or whatever case it be should have been them getting together like should have been like can Can you imagine cuz Alyssa Milano >> resurrecting from the dead.

[00:27:57]>> Yeah. Well, exactly.

[00:27:58]>> For a [ __ ] lifetime movie. I would have loved that.

[00:28:01]>> Alyssa Milano was just like just really like you know she discovered her diary and [ __ ] like that and it was really which which to me it's like look there was no like no mention of a diary.

[00:28:15]>> How did she discover this high school student's diary in her college dorm house?

[00:28:20]>> In her college dorm. Exactly. She never went to college.

[00:28:24]You know >> exactly why did that happen? Because five minutes before they filmed the scene, a producer came up and said, "Hey, I just bought the rights to Poison Ivy. So, here's what we're going to do."

[00:28:36]>> Yeah. Yeah. Poison Ivy 2 honestly feels like a movie that like again a meatball situation where they meant to make a different movie and at the last minute they like changed it and we're like, "Yeah, I got the Poison Ivy rights.

[00:28:47]Let's, you know, let's put this one little scene where she opens a box of [ __ ] and like it all ties it together, you know.

[00:28:53]>> But don't you like I mean also like there's there's two things about this too. The second one uh is that you know like number one I mean like Poison Ivy the first one wasn't like a great seller. Wasn't a great like it didn't it didn't it wasn't a barn buster whatever.

[00:29:06]So I don't know what po putting Poison Ivy in the title your direct the DVD direct the you know video movie is really going to do other than maybe it was shelf. It was shelf.

[00:29:17]>> Yeah, there's there's also like Wild Things 2 and three. Have you seen either of those?

[00:29:22]>> No, I would have done Wild Things for for our sexual awareness month, but I did not want to watch those [ __ ] sequels. I was like, "Nope, I'm not doing that." So, we're not doing Wild Things. Someone needs to see all that the whole body.

[00:29:34]>> Someone needs to examine the whole [ __ ] corpse.

[00:29:36]>> You just didn't want to see Kevin and his bacon.

[00:29:38]>> No, I'll watch that. I'll watch the first one again.

[00:29:41]But what happened was back in the day this, you know, in the the video store years, >> it was so common to do that though, the meatballs effect. That's actually a good theory to call it. It's the meatballs effect. You just literally if people grabbed one and there was five others next to it, they were shoppers are more apt to grab one or two of the other ones to rent.

[00:30:06]>> Completest. Completest.

[00:30:08]>> Completest. Yeah. I mean, that's that's really So, I get why they used Poison Ivy because the first one wasn't a blockbuster, but yeah, I people knew about it. People knew it was the dirty.

[00:30:22]>> These all feel kind of like they they somehow they somehow took the place of like in the 80s we kind of had like the slumber party massacres and then these sort of feel like they took those places like the sority massacres. That's like this is what we're doing in that kind of space now. And then the other thing was is that I got this I I get this confused sometimes with Embra Embrace of the Vampire too.

[00:30:48]>> The director of two is the director of Embrace of the Vampire and they had made that right before they made this before they made two.

[00:30:56]>> But then Poison Ivy 3, which I feel like is the one that like >> I don't know somehow for me somehow that's the most rewatchable one. Like the first one is a lot of [ __ ] cringing. Like almost nothing but cringing. The second one is beyond that in terms of uncomfortability. Like way worse. The third one is like okay it's sleazy9s and it doesn't apologize for it and neither does Jamie Presley and she's perfect in it. And >> yeah, it's really it's like really bad.

[00:31:28]It's so bad. But like I >> but but it's like a comfort movie. Like this one I have to be in the mood for because like you said it's so cringe.

[00:31:38]But this one like it's just it's outright runchy and like it's Yeah, it's the Springer skin [ __ ] version of it and like it it makes no apologies for it and I respect that somehow. I respect And of course when I watched that one I was like 12 years old and I was hoping that it would be exactly what it was.

[00:32:00]It's like it's really funny when you watch it too, you know, like the things that happen like when she handcuffs the girl to the bed and makes her think that they all slept together >> and like she >> dude. Yeah. And then seeing the girl walking in on her father and he's handcuffed getting whipped. Like that is so ridiculous. It's like straight out of bachelor party like just >> and then he's just dying. You never find out if he lives or not when she like tries to kill him with the carbon monoxide in the um in the garage. You just never know if he dies or not.

[00:32:32]>> I got to watch this one.

[00:32:33]>> I didn't say it was perfect.

[00:32:35]>> Yeah. Now he insanled on it, right? He's like sleaziness. Okay. Yeah. I'll tell you. No, it's good. You enjoy it. So, we got to talk about the fourth one a little bit. Um >> in terms of >> Yeah. So, it might I I might be the only one here who's seen the fourth one. So, >> you're the completist of this one, sir.

[00:32:51]>> I I am proud to be somehow. Um although although let me tell you that fourth one was rough. Now I'm thinking okay I'm thinking just for the show >> that was a Lifetime movie.

[00:33:02]>> It's a Lifetime movie but there is the unrated version. They made like a you know sexier version for home video. Um and that's somehow what I well you know like Lifetime can't you know be what uh Poison Ivy 3 was or two was. So, they had to make that version for the Blu-ray sales and the DVD sales.

[00:33:24]This is 2008 and it looks very much like 2008. It looks very video. It looks very sterile. Um, >> what a weird time that time is going to forget.

[00:33:34]>> I hope so.

[00:33:35]>> 2008.

[00:33:36]>> But I will say this 2000s are not represented in mainstream media. I want to see flip phones. I want to see like [ __ ] skin hair. I want to see the really dark eyeliner. I want like the Hot Topic bands. I want to see that. I want to see the mall kids. I want to see Warp Tour.

[00:33:54]I want to see that.

[00:33:54]>> We will someday. I We will someday.

[00:33:56]Nostalgia is a hell of a thing. And And eventually, you know, >> it's always the group 20 years after like once they were they were born during that time.

[00:34:03]>> Yeah.

[00:34:04]>> You don't remember it. That's the group.

[00:34:05]>> Yeah. 20 years ago was 2006. Like just wait next year. It's like you'll have 2007 nostalgia in full full swing.

[00:34:11]Anyway, >> I still have it right now.

[00:34:15]>> Well, you've always been cool. 2007 Will Ferrell. That's it.

[00:34:20]>> Yeah, my chemical that kind of [ __ ] Um, >> but Oh, Woodran says, "Poison Ivy 2 has the Nightmare Elm Street 2 within the diary in the box she finds." Oh, is that a thing in that is a Nightmare Elm Street 2 thing. Wow, that's right.

[00:34:35]>> That's how he he looks at NY's diary.

[00:34:38]And >> that is the most [ __ ] forgettable part of Two, though. I got to say kudos to you for remembering even that part of Two. I remember like dancing and towel whipping and you know Freddy ripping his way through the chest and you know all this you know >> but movie everything else but that the bust >> stand by two until the very >> I love to I love to >> until Freddy actually >> I hate to >> I'll tell you what I'll tell you what Freddy one through six can do no wrong in my opinion I enjoy them all very very much >> uh it can it's called Freddy's dead >> [ __ ] you say is >> all I can say [ __ ] you. [ __ ] you. And all these [ __ ] Freddy's dead.

[00:35:18]Freddy's dead is a [ __ ] masterpiece.

[00:35:20]>> Nightmare three.

[00:35:22]>> Freddy's dead is for everyone. All right, that's the thing is Freddy's dead is for the whole [ __ ] family and you guys just can't handle it.

[00:35:30]>> I never got into this franchise. You guys lost me. Can we switch back to something else?

[00:35:34]>> We'll switch back. Yeah. So, so I for the secret society, the Lifetime movie, whether you're watching the Lifetime version or not, it's very sterile looking. Um, the script writing is awful. The acting all feels very first take and that's from people whose work I respect and other properties.

[00:35:51]>> I haven't even seen it, but I'm assuming they tried the Cruel Intentions ripoff on that one.

[00:35:56]>> No, they actually gave us the Cruel Intentions too as well.

[00:36:00]>> I know. It's we Yeah, that one.

[00:36:02]>> It's basically >> It's basically The Skulls, but you know, less polished, of course. You know, >> for those of you that remember the Skulls with Joshua Jackson Yes. and >> a horrible movie.

[00:36:14]>> Craig T. Nelson joint. Yeah. Um that was not anyone's finest hour. And even last second time around, >> we all went to go see it.

[00:36:24]>> And I just I just say this before before we get to Poison Ivy 5 pitches, whoever did the sound recording and mixing for Poison Ivy 4, I hope you found another line of work because I don't say that kind I don't take that kind of lightly.

[00:36:39]>> Rod in hell. Yeah, I'm tell it was the most whisper quiet dialogue I've ever heard in my life. And if there could have been anything to make that movie more insufferable. It was accomplished by awful sound mixing and like I had to put subtitles on and read it almost knocked me out. Um >> that was probably due to the fact that they were probably, you know, it was a Lifetime movie, but they were trying to make it sexy for Lifetime. And I get like if you lower the voices and you make it like inaudible, people like kind of like, oh, it's sexy. It's, you know, >> I think I can only assume it was recorded on a 1970s answering machine or something with like how faint and quiet the >> 2008 2008.

[00:37:22]>> Yeah. I don't know, dude. It was not state-of-the-art. I've heard much better sound and [ __ ] from way back in the day.

[00:37:28]But >> they filmed it on a digital camera.

[00:37:31]>> Yeah. Well, yeah. This was definitely the era of that. it. Uh, >> Ebby, does Dallas have better audio quality?

[00:37:38]>> I bet you it [ __ ] did. Some of those guys were respected.

[00:37:41]>> They're still trying to find her.

[00:37:43]Where's she at?

[00:37:44]>> Craftsman. That's like the the where in the world is Clement San Diego for our father's generation. Um, they want to find Debbie. We're trying to learn geography. Um, we are not the same. Um, all right. So, there are pitches and you know, also for those of you in the chat, what do you want to see? What don't you want to see in a Poison Ivy 5? If you've seen them all or if you've seen more than one, how do you rank these films?

[00:38:07]Uh >> I don't want to see anybody underage going after old people. I want I don't want that.

[00:38:12]>> Uh yeah, I you sound like an old man when you said that, too. You're like, I certainly don't want that.

[00:38:21]>> She's 20.

[00:38:22]>> She's 20 in this, but I think she's >> in four they're all in college. In five and two, they're in college. Yeah, >> she's like 15 or 14. I think she I think she's like 16 like as an actress in the movie too. I think she like her real age is 16. I think she was emancipated by this point.

[00:38:40]>> So I imagine that all body I imagine >> files. That's what she >> I have to imagine that it's all body doubles. Anytime you see Tom Scarret in the frame and then that's a body that's a body double >> obviously. Um but still it's so uncomfortable. Like the first two movies are really uncomfortable to watch through 2026 eyes. Like >> yeah, if you're think if you're thinking about it then yeah, if you're thinking about it then but here's what's wild though. That was an era though that was I mean listen >> at the end of this era we were we were given an Oscar to freaking American Beauty. I mean there this subject matter in a weirdest way was a huge you know >> Yeah.

[00:39:24]>> Yeah. the teenage.

[00:39:25]>> Yeah, they remade Lolita in 1997.

[00:39:28]>> Yeah, the I mean the the concept I like that one was so much to the book. The the Stanley Cubric one, they watered that down and changed a lot of the subject matter. They took a lot of the bad parts out, but the new one, the Jeremy Irons one, oh my god, that is so graphic.

[00:39:45]>> Which was Adrien Lynn who did Fatal Attraction. Adrian, I mean like I mean it this was a big thing. So I mean >> and a half weeks. Yeah.

[00:39:54]First and foremost, you couldn't do anybody in in height. I mean, the movie would have to be somebody who's at least college or, you know, above, which, you know, I think everybody >> they'd have to be legal.

[00:40:08]>> Obviously, yeah, or you have >> or you have to water it down so it's not about sexual desire. It can be about this kid wanting that world, wanting that to take over, to have what she doesn't have.

[00:40:28]>> But but that's not Poison Ivy in a weird way either, you know, like the >> I think it needs to be made by ABC Family to keep with the like declining like >> oh my god >> production company rate, you know, like >> Thompson plays the the Katherine Hicks role, the mom, you know. You know, it's like it starts out like it starts out with a theatrical release and it just like keeps like direct to video like Skinamax and then you got Lifetime and now the the only way you can go is down.

[00:40:57]So I feel like any >> ABC Family is now called Free Form free.

[00:41:02]Yeah, like even worse. It should be a free form.

[00:41:04]>> No, no, no. I don't even know this world. We have no MTV. We have no ABC Family. I can't stand this anymore.

[00:41:10]>> Well, Bobby, worse is to be original.

[00:41:15]Uh, hey, those barge movies are great.

[00:41:18]>> Hey, you know I'm number one supporter, but >> I love I kind of want a fifth one. A fifth one.

[00:41:26]>> I'm watching the fact life on Tuby right now.

[00:41:29]>> Yeah, I always watch it there.

[00:41:32]>> I would want >> That's what I want. I want >> Alyssa Milano back.

[00:41:35]>> Ivy remake.

[00:41:37]>> I want Alyssa Milano back.

[00:41:39]>> So, honestly, I respect I respect that you want Alysa Milano back. Um, however, because the brand is so much like, you know, hey, remember that kid from ET?

[00:41:49]Well, check this out. Like, hey, remember Sam from Who's the Boss? Check this out. Like, remember Degrassi and Little Giants? Well, you won't believe this [ __ ] [ __ ] That's intrinsically become what the brand is now. So given that I think we are >> the one that I wanted as a kid >> and probably you know >> still I guess but the one I really wanted as a kid would have been I think the Tia and Tamara Maui Poison Ivy the Twin Poison the Twin Ivy or something movie that like they're now like hey we're not kids anymore because that's basically what all these are like we're not little [ __ ] kids anymore check this out you know >> you know who I would have wanted I would have wanted Lacy Shabar kid. I had all of the lacy.

[00:42:36]>> I had a I had such a crush on her from Lost in Space.

[00:42:42]>> I had such a crush on her.

[00:42:44]>> I you know I That's the most That's the worst. Yeah.

[00:42:48]>> It's kind of creepy.

[00:42:50]>> Can we hear the dad figure in >> Dan Gouier? If you know who that is, please.

[00:42:59]>> Yes. From Team Witch. Yes.

[00:43:01]>> How much?

[00:43:03]>> A picture from the house the other day from the Teen Witch House.

[00:43:07]>> Conrad, Terry Silver, Thomas.

[00:43:09]>> If you did Lacy Shabar, if you did Lacy Shabar now would be creepier if you had Matthew Fox as the >> Oh, no. No, no. You can't. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[00:43:22]>> Oh, no. No. That is a party of one and it's only you, sir. That is >> that is a party of no.

[00:43:31]>> Give me a party of five reunion in this in this bet.

[00:43:34]>> Do you think Do you think that it's very trouble? You know, it's it's funny because I was thinking about that when I was watching Poison Ivy one. So, I mean, would you Barry more? Like I said, it's different because she was around my age.

[00:43:46]So, like I grew up with her basically whatever case may be.

[00:43:49]>> You start sexualizing people like Lacy Shabar. And for me when I you know first time I saw Lisa Shabar was in party of five and she was a young girl. So it's like so you I can't like I don't know like well that's the way people felt about the boss at this point.

[00:44:11]>> Yeah. It's just weird. It's it's just weird. But >> but the whole point is that like again not not defending it but the franchise is like that kid's all grown up now.

[00:44:22]Like that's what the franchise is.

[00:44:24]>> Have you ever seen Pretty >> Watch Gertie get dirty? Watch Sam get slammed. Watch, you know, Icebox get [ __ ] nice boxed.

[00:44:32]>> And also, stop ridiculous. Stop bringing up Degrassi. Nobody likes Degrassi.

[00:44:36]>> Degrassi [ __ ] kicks ass. And I won't I won't have this.

[00:44:42]>> Stand for this.

[00:44:42]>> Degassi is the best.

[00:44:44]>> Skins kicks Degrassi's ass every day.

[00:44:47]>> I don't even know what you're saying right now. All I know is I heard >> I I didn't get into skins. I didn't get into skins.

[00:44:53]>> There's no time like the present, Mickey.

[00:44:57]>> Whatever it takes. All right. I know we can make >> I just love I just love me some Degrassi.

[00:45:02]>> Let's all just try and be the best. All right. Um >> by not watching Degrassi.

[00:45:08]>> Everybody wants something.

[00:45:09]>> Look, whatever I say to you, okay?

[00:45:11]Whatever it takes. All right. The pitches are pitches are in. Pitches are in. And some of them may be from Canada, so we can hope. We can be hopeful. Um, Whiskey 41 Canada.

[00:45:20]>> We got one pitch in here. Whiskey 41 with a pitch. His pitch. A handsome senpai in his late 20s runs a nighttime women's self-defense class out of his sensei's strip mall dojo. But when a young aspiring influencer falls for the senpai, sensei gets dangerous. Excuse me. Sensei gets jealous and tries rather pathetically to show who is more worthy of 20some punani. Steven Seigull is out of breath.

[00:45:49]>> So, I love that [ __ ] title. And yes, Steven Seagull would actually fit as the sleazy dad type in this. The sleazy villainous like professor teaching the girl, >> the sexually harassing boss. Yeah. The like whatever martial arts he does. Whatever martial arts I want I want a gay version of Poison Ivy 5.

[00:46:12]I'm not against that. I honestly I think that actually would be a really interesting approach.

[00:46:17]>> Give it to me. Cast it. Who we got?

[00:46:19]Who's doing it?

[00:46:19]>> Who we having in that?

[00:46:21]>> Me. Starring me.

[00:46:23]>> Yes. Bobby.

[00:46:24]>> Well, who's your co-star? Who gets too solid? Yes.

[00:46:27]>> Give it who who did who's my go?

[00:46:33]>> Keeping No, no, no. Keeping with the brand. Keeping with the brand. You got to give me Joey Lawrence because it's like he's not a [ __ ] kid anymore.

[00:46:40]Give me a break now. You know, so he's the one, you know, he's >> any one of them aren't actually like pick of the litter, throw a dart at the board. I'll take any anyone.

[00:46:52]>> I mean, Joey Lawrence was prime right out of the like, you know, >> I mean, you would do somebody probably from You'd probably have to choose somebody from like the Disney era.

[00:47:02]>> Oh, no. I've got it. It's [ __ ] It's redot. Joey Lawrence and Jason Baitman.

[00:47:07][ __ ] Hogan family and um and Give Me a Break and Blossom. It all comes together. They're not kids anymore.

[00:47:15]>> That's basically the weird part.

[00:47:17]>> Basically, your Poison Ivy is the weird parts of Juno that everybody hated.

[00:47:22]>> Oh my god. As >> now you ruined it. Now I don't want it.

[00:47:27]Thank you.

[00:47:28]>> Watching Juno.

[00:47:29]>> You just dissuaded me, sir. For the first time.

[00:47:32]>> We were all We were all there. We all like Juno. I really thought I had something too. You just [ __ ] in my mouth.

[00:47:39]>> We're all out.

[00:47:40]>> Watching Juno as a teenager and watching it as a 35year-old like hits so differently based on that subject matter.

[00:47:49]>> Wash down the [ __ ] Juno.

[00:47:51]>> It's like as a teenager, I'm just like, "Oh my god, she's so like quirky and sarcastic." I'm just like, "Oh my god, she's being like um groomed by this middle-aged like man who's sponging off his wife."

[00:48:06]>> Mhm.

[00:48:07]>> Wild.

[00:48:08]>> But that's poison light fun.

[00:48:13]>> Oh my god. Yeah.

[00:48:15]>> Where that genre went, you know? I mean, but there's like uh you know, whoever the hot next I mean, no offense, Bobby, but if you are going with a name, I I go with Bobby. I want Bobby in it.

[00:48:27]>> If you say one of the two names like I'm jumping through the screen and strangling you, say it.

[00:48:34]>> Now, well, if you got a Timothy Shalom, >> you're dead.

[00:48:40]>> Death to you, sir.

[00:48:41]>> Death. But I'm just saying if you got that next >> up canled, shut it down. Shut it down.

[00:48:50]>> He's in.

[00:48:50]>> Shut it down.

[00:48:51]>> No. I mean, honestly, if you're honestly, I hate to say this and I hate to be I hate to be a star [ __ ] about it, but if you want to grab onto some fame, you're going to have to take either one of them Stranger Things kids or one of the Cobraai kids and be like, they're not kids anymore. You know, that's the that's the only young stars I know of.

[00:49:07]>> Those are the only young stars I know of right now, honestly. And that kid Tanner Buchanan is one of the best looking [ __ ] kids I've ever seen in my life.

[00:49:15]That's a good >> I don't really know any young I don't really know any >> redhead kid in Stranger Things. Who? Um >> is it Red >> Sam?

[00:49:25]Yeah, I didn't watch it either.

[00:49:27]>> Um or uh do you guys remember it from a few years back?

[00:49:33]>> Yeah, the one who played uh the >> Ghostbusting one.

[00:49:38]>> No. No. Um the the girl she played uh Beverly Beverly Marsh in the in the in the movie.

[00:49:48]>> I never watch >> apparently. She was pretty >> She's a great actress, but she's she's got that like the the sassiness but break out into the the more adult role.

[00:49:59]But honestly, I kind of like Bobby's approach. like do I like do a different Poison Ivy >> Timothy Shamlet has no part in it because we have we've seen enough of his face in things >> like I don't need to ever see him again.

[00:50:14]I don't need to ever see his face again.

[00:50:16]>> What I said was that it is a Timothy Shalaméesque rising star.

[00:50:24]>> I still was like no no it's not. But but any but I do but I do like the let's switch it up a little bit.

[00:50:31]>> Yeah, switching it up. I see where you're going but we but he but I see where you're going but I'm like yeah.

[00:50:37]Okay. Yeah, I like that.

[00:50:38]>> Or do you switch you got a you got a you know a boy this time and is it a mom and you got you got that version of the of the >> is it Mary Kay Turno and Billy >> which is which is pretty much the paper boy which is the greatest USA movie ever. Now we're just getting real. This >> knows what I'm talking about.

[00:50:57]>> Well, you know, I also thought like >> if you guys have never seen the paper boy, >> stop watching our show right now. It's going to hurt.

[00:51:08]>> But go watch the paper and then come back and watch this show.

[00:51:13]>> It's always on YouTube. It is. It is.

[00:51:18]>> Oh my god. Brilliant.

[00:51:20]>> Have you ever click? Wait, you guys, have you ever heard of a movie called Minnie's First Time?

[00:51:27]>> No.

[00:51:28]>> No.

[00:51:28]>> Okay, so it stars Nikki Reed right after 13, and it's just like this. She's like seducing some rich ass dude's like like husband. I mean, rich lady's husband.

[00:51:40]It's crazy. Um, but she It's It's just like this, >> but it's early 2000s trash. I love these like teenish subg genres or like you know young adult subg genres before that was even a thing like all the less than zeroesque movies of the time. There was like a Luke Perry-ish one. Um you know like you know even like movies like Brotherhood of Justice out there. I'm really kind of getting off the path here.

[00:52:03]>> What if as the mom >> like when they brought Shannon Doy back for the Heather show >> or Patty or Patty McCormick for Mommy and the Bad Seed. You kind of have that kind of cool thing going on.

[00:52:18]>> So, >> can we get Jennifer Tilly as the mom?

[00:52:21]>> Oh, I'd be sold for that.

[00:52:22]>> Oh, yeah. 100%. Yeah. Or me.

[00:52:24]>> Can we get Jennifer Tilly as literally like Can she just play every character in the movie?

[00:52:28]>> Hell.

[00:52:29]>> Can we get me Tilly and make the world an even awesomemer place?

[00:52:33]>> Yeah, agreed. Um, so just for the sake of of getting crazy with it, and I think Bobby already has a really solid idea there, but if we really wanted to get insane with it, you could flip it, you know, you know, you could do a gay version. Of course, I'm 100% there. Could you at the same time flip the age concept? Instead of a young person going after middle-aged person, you have, I know this is going to sound crazy, but an older person going after middle-aged person. We are now in a time where like there are I'm saying we are now in a time where like there are hot 60year-old people out there. There are like very hot people in their 60s and even like beyond that now like maybe that's something to explore in this movie or like generationally to speak to people who watch the first movie.

[00:53:21]>> So he wants RFK Jr.

[00:53:24]>> Oh god, no. [ __ ] [ __ ] terrible idea.

[00:53:28]>> Snake wrangling piece of [ __ ] Say what you want. He does have any talk about what you want. He's got abs.

[00:53:37]>> He would be the guy.

[00:53:39]>> I don't support the guy, but he's got abs. Leave him alone.

[00:53:44]>> I wish I could have.

[00:53:45]>> Oh my god. Well, that's Tell me you masturbate to his workout video without telling me you masturbate to his workout video.

[00:53:51]>> Not to him. Chris Rock.

[00:53:53]>> Chris Rock. Kid Rock.

[00:53:56]>> Wrong rock. The guy he said Chris >> Oh, we just lost Mickey. Mickey's going to have to [ __ ] decombobulate.

[00:54:07]>> What did I say?

[00:54:08]>> Um, >> you said Fritz Rock.

[00:54:13]>> Kid Rock. Yeah, that's the one. Same thing.

[00:54:18]>> Although Chris, well, he's not a kid anymore. Poison Ivy 5. Brett Michael's left with the ball.

[00:54:28]with the >> in the sauna.

[00:54:32]>> Subtitle B with the sponsored by Bud Light. Um, >> my god.

[00:54:39]>> [ __ ] godamn kill me now.

[00:54:44]>> Um, okay.

[00:54:46]>> He's an American badass.

[00:54:48]>> Oh god, I could I would rather piss in my mouth. Make America great again.

[00:54:57]Oh my good lord. Um, so no. Could you do the, you know, keeping it flipped still? Could you do is there who's in their I mean like Brad Pitt's probably in his 60s and like >> Are you saying Are you saying you want like a middle-aged person to go after a 60year-old or like a 20-year-old to go after a 60-year-old?

[00:55:18]>> No, a 60-year-old to go after a middle-aged person.

[00:55:21]>> Oh, okay. like a hot, you know, George Hamilton or something.

[00:55:26]>> Yeah, but I I don't know that that would like, you know, that would uh >> would necessarily be anything bad. That sounds like a romantic comedy.

[00:55:34]>> It's pretty much something.

[00:55:35]>> Yeah, it's more Yeah. It's not like Poison Ivy. It's like >> that is all of our dating lives currently.

[00:55:40]>> Yes, it is.

[00:55:45]>> Great.

[00:55:45]>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:55:48]>> Slice of life, man. You know, hey, well, you can't do what you did in 1992 anymore. You can't. I'm sorry.

[00:55:54]>> No, I know. I know. I know what you're talking about.

[00:55:56]>> I find Tom Scarat very likable in every other movie. But holy, when I watched that first one, >> no, but Chris, what you're basically saying, though, I mean, that is I mean, think about it. That's Michael Douglas and Sharon Stone is what I mean, that that version is what you're kind of >> Yeah. Michael Douglas and Katherine Stone. Yeah. Well, but but I mean you're but you're you know that that really is a lot of those movies were that I mean they they did get the older guy to go after the younger girl stuff like that.

[00:56:26]So So I I I don't think it's a terrible idea but >> yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Certainly it's not like the it's not the risque like >> well I think the poison ivy is the you have to have the corruptible innoc innocent or the corruptible >> bad seed going after the adult to make it stick with >> me fem fatel >> yeah I mean I like I said I like the idea of if you did have Alyssa Milano as the mom or Drew Barammore as the mom or Jason >> Well here's my idea my idea is you have Priestley as the mom.

[00:57:04]>> Whichever one it works. He's a good actor.

[00:57:06]>> I like Jason.

[00:57:08]>> So, here's what I think. You could have Alyssa Milano cuz And then remember the daughter, the DNA, whatever like that that almost died could be one like she's trying to like she's trying to, you know, she reconnects with Lily. So, she's trying and then she's trying to seduce Jonathan. Sketch >> Shaq.

[00:57:30]>> Jonathan Shack. I like skietch. I like skietch better.

[00:57:33]>> Ski.

[00:57:34]>> I get it. I get it. I call I mispronounce things because I like the way it sounds better that way.

[00:57:39]>> But I think I think that would be kind of cool if you did if you did if you did one like that where Alyssa Milano is older right now and she's married to you know Jonathan Sketch and then >> her character is the only one that lived.

[00:57:53]>> Yeah. And then you have Daphna the daughter now because she she looked up to Lily. She like, you know, but Lily, you know, screwed her dad and then caused her mom grief and this and that and eventually her dad, you know, dies.

[00:58:07]>> Oo. Just for fun though, can she have like she's she's kind of like hallucinating a little bit or she's on some like bad medication or some bad drugs and she starts seeing Drew Barmore talk to her.

[00:58:20]>> Hey, it's a 2B original. We could do anything.

[00:58:23]>> You really can. Sky is not the limit for a 2B original.

[00:58:28]>> The sky is not the limit.

[00:58:30]>> You can quote me on that, Tuby. Uh, keep doing what you >> share rail is the limit. The halfway point of the room.

[00:58:36]>> Keep doing what you do for America.

[00:58:38]>> The doorork knob is the limit.

[00:58:40]>> Um, good enough for free.

[00:58:43]>> You know, she's literally like maybe she gets the journal again cuz if it's Melissa Alyssa Milano's character, she's got the journal. So, >> you're making this journal like the book of the day.

[00:58:53]>> Oh, these pages were taped together and 20 years later I found out these two pages were taped together.

[00:58:59]>> I'm just I'm just saying but like now >> the cello player has the the journal still.

[00:59:05]>> But but how cool would that be to have >> player >> just be a ghost, you know, like >> like Weathering Heights?

[00:59:14]>> It kind of would be cool. Like I don't know. Just again, that's my con.

[00:59:17]>> Are you pitching a ghost story?

[00:59:20]Why not? I My goal is to bring everybody into the series to connect the dots.

[00:59:24]You're >> pitching the others.

[00:59:25]>> Okay. Oh, no. I respect that. No. Yeah, >> that's what I'm saying. So, you get So, she's reading this book, but imagine it's like a stage thing where >> and then she all she s she summons Ivy.

[00:59:37]She accidentally summons her >> the sacred >> and and and you get you get the story and you can have your John Stamos >> and you can you can have a maybe she >> or she gets possessed by the spirit of Ivy.

[00:59:52]>> I like that too.

[00:59:53]>> Maybe the daughter the daughter Daphna >> she picks up the >> Hello Mary Lou prom night too. I like this. She picks up the journal and all of a sudden she gets possessed by the spirit of Ivy, >> which is she starts off as a very dorky, very shallow, very like like in her own world and >> and then she takes her glasses off and then she's hot, >> which was perfect 90s. She's all that.

[01:00:23]>> She's worked.

[01:00:25]>> There's an actor um who's in Jason Takes Manhattan who plays like the principal.

[01:00:30]Do you guys know who I'm talking about?

[01:00:32]>> Oh, yeah.

[01:00:33]>> Mark Richmond is his name.

[01:00:35]>> Mark Richmond is his name or like the teacher or something like that. I just need him to be in there somewhere and hopefully not in any sex scenes, but um I just need him to be >> especially at this age.

[01:00:46]>> Well, he's he's not with us anymore.

[01:00:48]>> I I will say this in a in a in a past like like future or going back to the future, whatever it is. Uh time travel, >> you know, thing. He's a future past.

[01:01:00]>> I want a Michael Ironside version with Poison Ivy.

[01:01:04]>> Oh my god.

[01:01:06]>> Okay, I want to hear more.

[01:01:07]>> I just I just want him as the dad >> and you get Michael Ironside cuz he was always on those covers with the gun just sexily kind of, you know.

[01:01:17]I've never heard anyone put it sexily, but um >> Well, that's pure dude that is evoke doesn't evoke >> pure Guatemalaness. When you get a Michael Ironside in this world, that is Oh, God. Give me that any day.

[01:01:32]>> Wow. Okay. I'm learning all kinds of things about you.

[01:01:35]>> Wow.

[01:01:38]>> He's No, he he's no William Sadler doing naked Taichi, but >> No, but you know what? You know what I'm talking about. There's that like 1998 on the video shelf. Michael Ironside.

[01:01:47]>> Oh yeah. No, I want him in this as like the overbearing father who gets killed, but he deserves to get killed. He's not in any sex scenes, but he's a [ __ ] dad. He was great [ __ ] dad material.

[01:01:58]>> Oh, I got an even better one for for although I still >> You don't disrespect me, boy. You know, >> I would love >> you don't sass me like your mother. I would have loved the 1998 direct to video with Tim Dailyaly from Wings as the dad.

[01:02:16]>> Oh, dude. Dr. Jackal and Mrs. Hyde, just give it to me. Just give me uh Tim Dy did not care he deserved. And that would have helped him tremendously in my eyes.

[01:02:26]>> Dude, if Shawn Young's there, I'm there.

[01:02:29]If it's a Dr. Jackekal and Mrs. High, >> oh my god, give me a Shawn Young Poison Ivy.

[01:02:34]>> Oh, [ __ ] a. Yeah, I'm I'm game. I'm sorry. I'm sorry the Catwoman thing derailed her, but I think she was a great actress.

[01:02:44]>> What a [ __ ] way to go down in flames, dude. Like, holy [ __ ] >> And like you could have maybe parlayed Ace, you know, into something else out of that. But I think Ace was, >> you know, um >> Einhorn is a man.

[01:03:01]>> That's Yeah, that's another story for another day. Go back and watch our Ace Centur episode. But I do want to just acknowledge I do see um um oh oh there's some more pitches in the chat going on here too. Oh oh oh okay okay oh man I missed a few of these. Okay so Rand says the fifth one could boy uh be poison ivy the witchboard story. So that actually I would like to see and that makes me wish there was a [ __ ] Tony Kain Poison Ivy. Oh rest in peace Tony Kain uh you had loved still to this day. Michael Richi saying Poison Ivy 6 Sydney Sweeney. So sadly, when you're talking about sexy movies today, I guess she's going to come into the conversation because she's a sex symbol to people.

[01:03:39]But uh I say no, get let's move on from her. Let's get something new.

[01:03:48]>> Well, yeah, that's the other thing. Do you you know, my thought was like who was like in something in the 2000s that is now grown up like a [ __ ] uh a Vanessa Hudgens or Selena Gomez or something. Yeah, Miley Cyrus. Hudson did um Spring Breakers Spring Breakers, which was old news.

[01:04:06]That's Yeah, >> I guess now at this point you have to take someone from the 2010s.

[01:04:11]>> I got it. Bring back the curlyhaired Pepsi girl.

[01:04:17]>> She's like my age, if not older.

[01:04:21]>> I don't know who that is.

[01:04:22]>> Oh my god, that kid from the movie commercials.

[01:04:26]>> Wait, her brother. Her brother is Jesse Eisenberg. Her brother is Jesse Eisenberg.

[01:04:32]>> Really?

[01:04:32]>> What? That's [ __ ] crazy. Wow. Holy [ __ ] That's just weird. All right, so we got Sean Gold in the chat and you know what that means? We got an airborne pitch. So, cover your ears, Ian. His pitch. Bruce Wayne encounters Ivy only for her to take over the Gotham underworld.

[01:04:47]>> Wrong move.

[01:04:49]>> But she's in for surprise when a transfer student named Mitchell comes to Gotham to stand in her way. It's Poison.

[01:04:56]Poison Born. That girl is poison, bro.

[01:04:59]Um, and also I see Dustin of Retrofen Radio in the chat. Makers of the finest cannon of martial arts docs on the interwebs.

[01:05:06]>> So, yeah, >> if there would be a canon films version, >> that could have been >> that could have been Dudikov and Sharon Stone for sure.

[01:05:15]>> No, give me the Charles Bronson version.

[01:05:19]>> Oh, dude, >> that you know what? Yes, I do need that. I'm I'm not even going to apologize for needing >> Charles Bronson was a film star from the 70s.

[01:05:31]>> I know who Charles Bronson, >> don't you glare at me like that.

[01:05:36]>> Ian, do you believe in Jesus? Cuz you're gonna meet him.

[01:05:41]>> And he knows who Chris Rock is, too.

[01:05:42]Ian, so >> I don't know. I don't know who Chris Rock is. I know Kid Rock is >> Yeah, they're brothers, right?

[01:05:49]>> Same thing.

[01:05:50]>> Name me a single silent film star. I'll wait.

[01:05:54]>> No. I'll do it.

[01:05:56]>> May May West Charlie.

[01:05:58]>> No, she was not in the silent films. She was in the talkies.

[01:06:01]>> I want to bet, sir. Look it up.

[01:06:03]>> Yes.

[01:06:04]>> Yeah. I want to bet her first movie was 1932.

[01:06:10]Her first movie was 1932.

[01:06:13]>> He's right. I just >> The gloves are off. Uh Bobby has Yeah, definitely.

[01:06:17]>> No, I was thinking of the the one uh Greta Garbo. That's And I mixed I the name my Okay. Well, >> I was just thinking about that time.

[01:06:25]>> Great doctor, by the way. Should watch that.

[01:06:28]>> How? Well, I was just thinking about that thinking about that time we had that Poison.

[01:06:32]>> That's what we need. We need the 1929 version of Poison Ivy.

[01:06:36]>> Yeah, that would be awesome.

[01:06:38]>> The silent movie version with Greta Garbo >> with ragtime piano >> and she flashes her ankle to show she's interested.

[01:06:46]>> Scandal with Buster Katon.

[01:06:49]>> Oh my god. And Jean Harlo.

[01:06:55]Oh my god, we just lost our two audience members.

[01:06:58]>> Honestly, I'm kind of into this. Yeah, these the handc cranked, you know, the title cards in between like, you know, >> I want to I want to seduce you.

[01:07:11]>> Comically set up. Yeah, comically set up.

[01:07:14]>> We almost get this like this what we're pitching and stuff like that with the Kiana Reeves movie with the two girls.

[01:07:22]Oh my god, that movie is crazy.

[01:07:24]>> I heard about this movie. Isn't that what it's called? Knockknock.

[01:07:28]>> Yeah. Night Shyamalan. Yeah.

[01:07:30]>> Yeah. That's a remake from a 70s movie with Colleen Camp.

[01:07:35]>> Really?

[01:07:36]>> Yeah. The It's a >> God bless Colleen Camp.

[01:07:40]>> Colleen Camp is Yeah. a treasure.

[01:07:42]>> Give me that. Give me >> It was one of her first movies. It was one of her first movies.

[01:07:47]>> Oh wow.

[01:07:48]>> But um the Kiana Reeves movie. Oh my god, they [ __ ] him up.

[01:07:54]>> Yep. Yep.

[01:07:55]>> I heard about that movie. Yeah, I never saw it, but uh >> good movie.

[01:08:00]>> You got to watch it. I know you don't like newer movies, but this m like you just keep being like, damn, they are savages.

[01:08:08]>> They are savages.

[01:08:10]>> Could you do Pedro? I know everybody does this, but Pedro Pascal is the dad in a Poison Ivy.

[01:08:15]>> Oh, yeah. Oh, for sure.

[01:08:17]And if you I mean that's like that's reaching for the [ __ ] stars. I mean >> but set it I mean but set it like you know set it in Puerto Rico and have a have a Havana Nights kind of kind of >> Could it be like a Spanish Nolla type thing?

[01:08:32]>> Yeah, why not? Yeah, give me that version.

[01:08:35]>> Hey Mickey, I feel you. I feel your pain right now just as much just as you do. I feel it. I feel every bit of Mickey's pain right >> I'm done.

[01:08:47]He's done, folks.

[01:08:48]>> Mickey's done.

[01:08:50]>> He's McDunn, folks. That was it. Yeah.

[01:08:53]Um All right. Well, I don't know if we did it, but I think we kind of did. I don't know. I think there's a Puerto Rico.

[01:08:57]>> I think Bobby is still the best. I like Bobby.

[01:09:00]>> There's a Puerto Rican party in there somewhere. Um, >> no. Honestly, we didn't go Poison Ivy on ice, but um, you know, we could have. We almost did. We went to Puerto Rico instead, and that's okay. Um, but I guess it's time for me to say that if you can here for the plane.

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