He Was Sweating On Fortnite And Asking About The Problem Of Evil

Added: 2026-05-22

[00:00:00]And my dad doesn't stop, though. He He's sitting there he's like, "Hey, catch the ball. Catch the ball."

[00:00:06]And then fast forward in the middle of a game where I'm doing something that I really want to do, right? And no matter the pass that is thrown to me, I was in a position to where I was able Hello.

[00:00:16]Hello, how you doing, brother? I'm good, bro. How you doing?

[00:00:19]I'm all right.

[00:00:20]I am the agnostic that came up earlier.

[00:00:22]Are you currently allowing agnostics up?

[00:00:26]I'm sorry, agnostics up? Are you allowing just like Muslims and you know, people like that?

[00:00:33]Uh currently right now, I'm only accepting people who are of a Korean cult. So, do you happen to be of a Korean cult? If not, I got to move on.

[00:00:43]Korean cult? Yeah.

[00:00:46]Uh What's a Korean cult? I never heard that before.

[00:00:50]>> if you was part of one, you would have known. God bless you, bro.

[00:00:53]Oh, wow. God.

[00:00:54]>> No, I'm just saying. What's your What's your question? What's up?

[00:00:57]Um I want to bring up um the problem of the problem of evil.

[00:01:04]Um do you believe that God created the natural laws?

[00:01:10]Like what? And can you like I don't know what you playing, but like you flicking them joysticks hard >> [laughter] >> Like that's the right by ear. You trying hard as hell right now. I can't control that.

[00:01:24]>> I can literally I can hear the sweat dripping off your gym, bro. Like relax.

[00:01:29]It's not that serious.

[00:01:31]>> I'm on I'm on Fortnite, so I'm trying to sweat.

[00:01:35]>> You over here Yeah, exactly, bro.

[00:01:36][laughter] I'm sweating like a mug. Bro, I can hear it, bro.

[00:01:41]>> [laughter] >> I bet. Okay, I'm glad I glad Yeah, yeah.

[00:01:45]So, uh do you believe that God creates uh the the natural laws? Like in regards to the Uh-huh. In regards to what?

[00:01:55]Uh like the laws of nature because uh you guys Oh, like that. God. Yeah, like there needs to be a a lawgiver, right?

[00:02:02]Okay.

[00:02:04]So, did he create the law that um like the natural disaster law in a way?

[00:02:11]Creating um waves to kill innocent people and innocent children.

[00:02:18]Uh, I mean >> This is a genuine question. I mean >> No, no, no.

[00:02:21]It was just the you said creating waves >> to say that. I didn't know I was Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, you chilling. You chilling. Um, I'm sorry. Sorry.

[00:02:28]>> Uh, so I mean like you could say all right, a natural disaster is like more of a relative term to be real. Like if there's no people in that area, right? Like a hurricane hitting that land or whatever isn't a disaster per se like because no one no one gets hurt. So like it's just our proximity to these things that make it a quote unquote disaster because they happen to us. Right? But like an earthquake where no one is getting hurt doesn't really do anything. But you don't necessarily have to hold to the stance that these are things of like God's creation. You can and you can't. Like really that's up to you. You can say that these things are a effect of the fall. So of us disordering ourselves from God and us being the heads of creation, the rest of creation becomes like misaligned and disordered.

[00:03:21]Okay. Um Does God cause Does God cause evil?

[00:03:27]Um, I don't know what you you mean by that.

[00:03:31]Um, because in Isaiah, I forgot what the verse is. Yeah, in Isaiah it says he causes um evil and but he also causes good. So >> Yeah.

[00:03:42]So like that you're reading you're reading a particular um translation. What the Hebrew word more accurately translates to is calamity.

[00:03:51]So when it says like I create peace and calamity, um that's what it's talking about, light, darkness, peace, calamity.

[00:04:00]Uh it's not like actual evil.

[00:04:04]>> [snorts] >> Okay, that's uh that's a Okay, so okay.

[00:04:09]Maybe it's just an emotional problem for me like um like the problem of evil. Mhm.

[00:04:15]>> Cuz I think it's just an emotional because I mean like I have um I mean, just today when I was at work, I heard a kid um like uh like a little girl crying. And she said she was bleeding and that and that >> [cough] [laughter] [laughter] >> No, my mom is right. I am worse than Jordan. Dang, I'm I'm worse than Jordan.

[00:04:47]Cuz Jordan would have did a good job holding it together, man. Cuz he No, cuz he covers he covers >> [laughter] >> He going to cover his mouth.

[00:04:57]You said he heard a little girl, she was crying.

[00:05:00]Yeah, yeah, yeah. What happened? What was What was wrong with her?

[00:05:03]>> know, but she was crying and it absolutely broke me cuz I'm like, why would God allow his precious like his precious creation Mhm. that he loves so much to suffer like this. And I understand like when we when we pass from this body, right? Like what you guys believe or she when we pass from this body, there will be no suffering. So, in a way, it's just temporarily suffering. But why do we have to go through this temporary suffering? But you also said because of the fall. Mhm. But he knew the fall was going to happen. So, why create why create us to even have the chance to fall and then suffer Yeah.

[00:05:40]>> if you know what I mean. Mhm. I'm not trying to be a a bee right now, but No, no, no, you're You're Yeah, you're chilling. I'm actually interested. I find the evidence very convincing. So, I'm just I'm [clears throat] just trying to search um I even tried to play like I was Christian, but I couldn't I couldn't do it because I just had too many doubts. I had too many doubts going on. So, I hear you. I remember uh when I was growing up, man, I remember when I was growing up, my dad, he used to help train me and my brother and I uh in playing basketball.

[00:06:14]I and he would do these things and I remember one day in particular, he was really teaching us how to catch, like to catch whatever is thrown at you.

[00:06:23]So, first it started off as like bounce passes, and then it went to chest passes, and then the chest passes got faster and faster to where as a kid, I was no longer able to like catch it with my hands at first, and it started to hit me in my chest, and sometimes it'd deflect off of my hands and might hit me in my face a little bit. And my dad was sitting there and he would be like, "Yo, you need to stop being scared of the ball and just catch the ball."

[00:06:47]"Stop being scared and just catch the ball." Now, obviously, like I'm a kid.

[00:06:51]So, you know, it hit me in my chest a little bit too hard, and it might've hit me in my face once, and then next thing you know, like, you know, I got a couple tears running down my face. You feel me?

[00:06:59]And I'm crying. And my dad doesn't stop, though. He He's sitting there. He's like, "Hey, catch the ball. Catch the ball."

[00:07:07]And then fast forward in the middle of a game where I'm doing something that I really want to do, right? And no matter the pass that is thrown to me, I was in a position to where I was able to catch the ball, where the fear that I once had no longer existed within me because of this amount of suffering that I went through in the backyard. And sometimes those are the uh things that God allows is that we're being situations where, you know, God is putting us in situations where the ball is slipping through our hands and hitting us in our mouth. Um and it hurts, and it leads to tears, and it feels like suffering, and we don't immediately see the strength that's being built in the midst of those trials. But then after a while, the things that would have made me cry before no longer make me cry and the things that I was scared of before no longer brings me any fear because I've been through this amount of suffering.

[00:07:58]So sometimes suffering is used to help build the virtues that are needed for like tomorrow.

[00:08:06]>> [laughter] >> So you're telling me that there's just some type of purpose in suffering basically.

[00:08:12]Like a good purpose. Yeah, so like God could permit certain evils or sufferings. He could permit it for some greater good. So like one of my favorite analogies personally is through the martyrdom of like the saints for example. Like Peter being unalived, Paul being unalived, Stephen being unalived. The martyrdom of these saints is a evil.

[00:08:37]Like they are suffering and they die.

[00:08:39]That's a evil. God permits that evil because on the back of their martyrdom, millions if not billions come to Christ.

[00:08:47]Mhm. So there's some good although like as we're sitting here watching Stephen get stoned to death, we might not be able to fully understand the good that's able to come out of it. Even by the time that we die, we might not see the overall effect of the good that's able to come out of these things. But God who knows all is able to see so he permits certain evils for some greater good. And only for some greater good.

[00:09:12]Very very well explained. I see I see what you mean by that.

[00:09:15]Um not trying to hold you up but um also I've been dealing with these um the thought of natural explanations.

[00:09:25]I've been looking >> [laughter] >> Are you Okay. No no I'm good I'm good. No no no no.

[00:09:31]>> [laughter] >> Okay. All right. So I thought that um oh yeah yeah yeah, yeah. So and was studying like miracles and you know, things like that and I came to a conclusion of what, you know, most scientists say, which is they can't explain you know, the miracles that happened especially the the miracle I think it's called Our Lady I forgot what it's called.

[00:09:54]>> of Fatima.

[00:09:56]I studied that and I don't think there's a very good explanation. But what I rely on, I'm not going to be like there for God exists because you know, I kind of believe there's more natural evidence than than what's her name? The supernatural evidence, right? So I would try to push more to a natural explanation.

[00:10:21]And I believe um the best explanation right now is that we don't know yet. We don't know yet. You know, people back then thought thunder was a a thing of gods.

[00:10:35]Yeah, something from God, but science has proved that. But then somebody told me that well, who's to tell you that God is not working through the natural? Like so that's where I went down a spiral hole. So Have you Yeah, I mean like as the evidence is going to be acceptable is going to be different for everybody. I think in a situation with Our Lady of Fatima it's a very peculiar situation especially because of the prediction.

[00:11:06]Right? Like from I think it was July 15th, they say um or August, September, October. They say three months from this date there's going to be a miracle in which is going to bring a lot of people to Christ. So they they put a very specific date as to when this is going to happen.

[00:11:27]Um and then this event happens and a lot of people see you got like you know, newspapers and everything. Like, so that's something that isn't really explanatory where these kids, they get a particular date as to when this is going to happen.

[00:11:42]They never really recant their story or they never recant their story and an event happens on that date that they predicted 3 months prior.

[00:11:50]Um, but either way it goes, like say for instance that there was some naturalistic explanation, um, that's fine. Like, Christianity doesn't hinge on that. And what Christianity teaches is that you can like natural theology is uh an evidence for like the supernatural.

[00:12:09]Like, we could use the things in of what we see within our everyday lives to then conclude that like God exists. And those who turn a blind eye to these things, who turn a blind eye to the testimony of of natural reason, um, and natural theology, they're going to be held without excuse on the day of judgment.

[00:12:29]So, when Jordan or me or whoever gives an argument like the argument for motion or the contingency argument or from gradation or all these things where we're using the world around us to then conclude that God exists, right? You don't need miracles.

[00:12:46]Uh, you I don't need to prove a particular miracle, right? All I need to do is prove that hey, if change exists then God exists or if you're distinct from your existence then God exists or if there's a such thing as like good, bad or you know, whatever, then God exists or if something doesn't exist necessarily then God exists. Like, all these arguments that could be used to prove that God exists, it doesn't hinge upon one miracle.

[00:13:12]Mhm. Right? A miracle is just it would only be possible like if God doesn't exist then yeah, there has to be some naturalistic explanation because the supernatural doesn't exist. But if we conclude that God exists, then obviously this miracle happening, it's in line with God existing and it can explain this event. Whereas our natural reason right now can't fully explain this event.

[00:13:38]Yeah, there's so much stuff that just we don't know. We don't even know if the universe is eternal yet fully.

[00:13:47]Um, so there's just so much stuff. Um, and honestly gives me anxiety every single day when I study this from the fact of not knowing.

[00:13:55]Um, but our minds can only go so far to put So I feel like the I mean I've been studying for about 2 years now. So I feel like the universe is it requires some faith and some it just it it requires faith that you that you have to have whether it's science because we never we didn't really see the Big Bang I'm guessing. We didn't see Christ resurrected. I mean it's It's just it's like Either way it goes. So like I like to run the argument from motion. Jordan he likes to run like uh, the Diente the argument from essence and existence.

[00:14:34]Either way it goes regardless of your view on whether or not the universe had a beginning or not both of those arguments still conclude that God exists.

[00:14:42]It's not dependent upon whether or not the universe had a beginning.

[00:14:46]Uh, that's like the Kalam cosmological argument. Um, but even then even in a Kalam you can still have a eternal universe and still have something that depends upon um, you know, the first cause in order to to have this universe. But there's multiple arguments that regardless of what you believe about the universe. If you believe it's eternal, if you believe that it's it has a beginning.

[00:15:10]Doesn't matter God still exists.

[00:15:13]Um, and those arguments still work.

[00:15:16]Even if the universe is eternal? Mhm. So the The would have to be created though.

[00:15:22]You could have a You could have something eternal that's still like dependent upon something else.

[00:15:28]So, like the universe wouldn't actualize itself. It would receive actuality from the the purely actual being, for example. So, it doesn't depend on how long the universe has been in existence.

[00:15:41]The fact that the universe exists right now points to some uh purely actual being or pure existence being.

[00:15:52]Yeah. Um is there any like Is there any like um any book that you recommend on specifically faith and uh number one faith?

[00:16:01]Um because I feel like to be act like extremely skepticism, I'm not going to really see the truth. But if I have a little bit of humble in my heart, then I I would probably find truth.

[00:16:17]Um >> [clears throat] >> or the best explanation, I be.

[00:16:20]Yeah. Um I think a good book for you to read?

[00:16:29]Yeah, or YouTube video, anything, you know.

[00:16:32]I think you should probably read, yeah.

[00:16:35]Um I would read Mere Christianity. I'm not going to hold you.

[00:16:39]Mere Christianity?

[00:16:41]Yeah, Mere Christianity by C. S. Lewis.

[00:16:43]It goes from like Mhm.

[00:16:46]from arguments for the existence of God to like Christian behavior and faith.

[00:16:53]Um and like You said what? He was a uh a Christian all his life, or was he like a Or is he like the the atheist Yeah, he's the atheist, right? He used to He used to be atheist. Yeah, he used to be atheist, then he converted.

[00:17:09]Yeah, but I would I would really suggest that book. If you're If you want one book that's for like concise, cuz it's not a long book, it's a easy read, and it covers a lot of topics in regards to Christianity.

[00:17:23]Even in regards to like natural law, and and things like that. Like he starts his book off like that.

[00:17:32]That I think that that would give you a good starting point into looking into these things.

[00:17:38]Okay, what what about William Lane Craig? What about him? Do you He has William Lane Craig. Now, I wouldn't go to him for theology per se, but William Lane Craig has a good book in regards to arguments for the existence of God.

[00:17:57]And so does Edward Feser. I like I like both of their books though on that.

[00:18:03]But if you're just talking about the existence of God, William Lane Craig has a good book on the existence of God, and Edward Feser has a really good book on the existence of God.

[00:18:13]Okay.

[00:18:14]So, Edward Feser's book I have I actually have So, I have both of those books or in my Patreon.

[00:18:24]Um So, like if you go it's free, you don't have to pay anything, but What I was going to say, bro. What I was going to say, when you >> No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[00:18:35]So, Mere Christianity is one of the books that I would definitely recommend.

[00:18:41]Um And yeah, somebody just said Mere Christianity is available in audio book form for free on YouTube. But you could just like I have the the PDF here. You could just click and just download it, it'll pull it up for you.

[00:18:55]Um and Edward Feser's five proofs for the existence of God.

[00:19:00]He goes through like five different arguments for the existence of God. Like both of those books you can just you can literally just download and read, and they're not difficult to read. Yeah.

[00:19:12]So, and also one more thing before I leave, is there any like is there any Discord or any other person I can talk to that that you recommend is going live today or tomorrow?

[00:19:21]Um yeah, so I mean you could join my Discord, but my friend Abe, he's a good person to talk to, but he doesn't normally go live on his own. He'll go live on um he'll either come up on my panel or he'll be on Jordan's panel.

[00:19:38]Uh but I would really like me, Jordan, Abe um I feel like light will mess around and just refer you to me.

[00:19:49]That's why I'm here, bro. That's why I'm here, bro.

[00:19:51]Yeah. I mean, but we me and him had a good conversation like I think twice so far. Yeah. Yeah, I forgot I forgot to come back, by the way. I had to go to work. I forgot, so.

[00:20:01]No, yeah, you good. Yeah, I figured, bro. I was waiting for you like the entire time. I was like, oh, okay, I guess.

[00:20:06]>> No worries, are you going live tomorrow?

[00:20:09]Uh no, no, no. Uh Tuesday though, Tuesday. Okay, bet. I'll I'll probably I'll probably be there, for sure.

[00:20:15]But yeah, read I would definitely say like read those books.

[00:20:19]Um and like just in regards to like devotion, bro.

[00:20:25]There's this book by Saint Augustine.

[00:20:28]It's Saint Augustine's Confessions.

[00:20:31]And now, I love Saint Augustine. He's my favorite saint.

[00:20:36]But in reading the Confessions, I don't know, it really just it really just did something to me, bro, like like all these things all like the goodness of God that we overlook and stuff like that and when he's talking about it, it's a really really really really really good book.

[00:20:52]Um >> Bro, he'd convict you like no one else like no one else did. Like, bro, I read it, first page, I was like, all right, bro. Yeah. That's crazy.

[00:21:01]I love Saint Augustine, but I would definitely Yeah, I would really really recommend those books. Um Mere Christianity is a really, really good book. He's a Protestant, but it's a really good book regardless.

[00:21:16]Uh if you want books for the existence of God, there's a lot out there, but the books that I recommended are really good. And then St. Augustine's the his Confessions uh Confessions.

[00:21:28]Really, really good book. I need to actually cuz I have found one that was in modern English.

[00:21:36]A PDF that was in modern English cuz they be Most of the the PDFs that you'll find of the Confessions is in a weird archaic style.

[00:21:44]Um that I you know, I can't stand reading like that.

[00:21:47]But his Confessions is really, really good, man.

[00:21:54]But but but Uh but yeah, man, please come back if you have any more questions, bro.

[00:22:04]For sure, man. I'll definitely look into it, brother.

[00:22:07]Uh Yeah, bro, I'll look into it, man. I really appreciate y'all, man. Uh might not be there if if I see it. Definitely.

[00:22:16]Um and I appreciate y'all. Y'all have a Y'all have a good one, man.