He Said We Should Protect Animals… Then This Happened

Ajouté : 2026-04-29

[00:00:03]What's your name? Benjamin.

[00:00:05]>> I'm Chip. Nice to meet you, Ben. Nice to meet you.

[00:00:06]>> Where are you from, Benjamin?

[00:00:07]>> Colombia.

[00:00:08]>> Colombia. What brings you here to Amsterdam?

[00:00:11]>> Visit. Just visiting tourist.

[00:00:13]>> Nice. Nice. I'm a I'm an animal rights activist. I'm here to speak up for animals. How do you feel about animals?

[00:00:19]>> I feel that we need to protect them.

[00:00:22]These days, most people are not conscientious about the damage they're causing.

[00:00:27]>> We should protect animals, right?

[00:00:28]>> Yeah.

[00:00:29]I'll ask you one question and you want to see how you turn that around and say that we shouldn't protect that. Okay.

[00:00:35]>> Be aware that you might be doing that.

[00:00:37]>> Do you think it's okay to farm and eat animals?

[00:00:41]>> I think I think it's okay because not always there is a red ofation or one said >> but isn't that contradictory to your statement that protect them?

[00:00:57]>> Yeah. Many people don't actually care about them. It's >> But you do, right?

[00:01:03]>> No, I care. I care. But I also eat meat.

[00:01:06]Yeah.

[00:01:06]>> Isn't that contradictory?

[00:01:08]>> It's not always contradictory because >> you think you need to eat meat.

[00:01:13]>> I don't need but I like to eat meat.

[00:01:15]>> So then, so the statement is we should protect animals, but I'm going to demand that an animal gets killed because I like it.

[00:01:26]Are these not contradictory?

[00:01:28]>> Yeah, it's contradictory. But when you see it in a different perspective, >> which perspective is it that includes the victim, that doesn't make it contradictory.

[00:01:38]>> Yeah. How I see it is tigers. I'm going to put an example.

[00:01:45]They eat meat. Yeah. Because it's >> Do they have options?

[00:01:47]>> It's the nature.

[00:01:50]>> I don't know if the tigers would like to eat. Do they have another option?

[00:01:54]>> No.

[00:01:54]>> No. But you do, right? That's the difference, >> right? When we have another option, we can't justify doing something horrific.

[00:02:00]>> Cuz even a tiger, I don't think what they're doing is right, but they don't have any other choice.

[00:02:05]>> But what I'm not like, how do I say this?

[00:02:13]I don't The thing is many people or many I don't know.

[00:02:22]Yeah. They just put a lot of animals in a tiny space in a small place and the animals actually suffer when they die.

[00:02:31]>> Why is that bad?

[00:02:32]>> Because when an animal dies from natural >> Why should we care if an animal suffers?

[00:02:40]H >> why should we care if an animal suffers?

[00:02:43]>> It's not about care or not. It's just empathy, you know, empathy. The human has empathy and it's normal to care about animals and they >> Why don't Why don't you want animals to suffer?

[00:02:55]>> I don't want animals to suffer, but because when you see their faces or how they feel. Yeah. Because their facial expressions, it's actually not not satisfying cuz they don't like it. They don't want >> Yeah. They don't like it. Do you think they like or want to be killed?

[00:03:13]>> No. So then by that logic, shouldn't you apply the same logic and say I don't want animals to be killed also?

[00:03:20]>> Yeah. Right. Like I I I don't understand necessarily like you understand the contradiction, right?

[00:03:29]>> Yeah. Yeah.

[00:03:29]>> You understand your responsibility?

[00:03:31]>> I understand.

[00:03:32]>> Yeah. You understand like you're responsible for the exploit. Do you know what exploitation is?

[00:03:37]>> No. So exploitation means um we're using them. We're we're essentially treating them like our slaves because we bring animals, we bring them into existence, we use them, and then we kill them, >> right? Like imagine you're you said you're 14 15. Um well, you would really would you would already be pretty old for an animal. You would already probably have been killed. But your parents gave life to you, right?

[00:04:02]>> And your parents have authority over you. Imagine if your parents used that authority and said, "Well, you have to be my slave.

[00:04:11]>> You have to do whatever I say." And when I can no longer use you that way, I'm going to kill you. Would that be fair towards you?

[00:04:18]>> No. And I I I think your point is good because the humans think they are the kings of the world. Yeah. When we see the world Yeah. most of them think they own the planets and Yeah. It's true.

[00:04:34]That's right. that it's it's not right to say this because we are not the kings. who are not the owners of the planet and yeah they think they can do whatever they want but >> yeah we shouldn't have this right right to just bring them into existence use them and kill them right >> yeah yeah what do you think you should do about it >> I think everyone needs to put a grain of sand which it's an expression yeah >> in Spanish to help the environment and the world >> this isn't about the environment this is about the rights of animals >> it's also environment because yeah the CO2 two emissions are.

[00:05:10]>> Yeah. But like even if they weren't, we should still don't do >> No, no, no. I think we need to put a grain of sand for everything to be a better person to help others. Yeah.

[00:05:20]Yeah. But everyone if you and me and 10 people just do it.

[00:05:27]>> The problem with this analogy The problem with this analogy is that >> there's 8 billion people on this planet, right?

[00:05:34]>> You being one person out of 8 billion is a grain of sand. Correct? Mhm.

[00:05:38]>> If somebody chooses to kill you, it means nothing to the whole population of the world. But it means everything to you. You understand that?

[00:05:47]>> Yeah. Yeah. But what I meant is if everyone helps to do something right.

[00:05:54]>> Yeah.

[00:05:55]>> I think they it it going to have results.

[00:06:00]>> What do you think the right thing is? I think the right thing is just the moral, you know, >> but in this particular situation for example, eating animals or eating their products or wearing their skin, what is the right thing to do?

[00:06:14]>> I think many people would say that no, I want to eat meat. I don't care what other people say. Yeah, >> it's just eat meat moderate. Yeah. Don't eat meat because I want to kill a cow and eat it. So once a week.

[00:06:32]>> It's depends. Depends. Yeah.

[00:06:34]>> But once a week, let's say we do it once a week.

[00:06:37]>> Once a week, it's there's still no need for it. So if I choose to kill an animal once a week, how is that fair towards the animal?

[00:06:46]>> Also, what the other people think or may think is that I need the proteins. Yeah.

[00:06:54]>> Yeah.

[00:06:55]>> Physical culturist. And >> yeah, I'm a bodybuilder, but you don't need protein from animals. So you can get it from plants also.

[00:07:01]>> Yeah. But there Yeah. I Yeah. I don't actually know about this too much.

[00:07:07]>> Yeah. Yeah. There's like so protein like all the reason why a lot of these animals they they get protein also from plants but we essentially can get all the protein all the complete protein that we need from plants. There's none.

[00:07:21]>> Yeah. They're also vegetable proteins.

[00:07:24]But yeah.

[00:07:24]>> Yeah. I'm trying to think how >> But instead of trying to think of why other people would do it, think of yourself. Why would you think what would make you think it's okay once per week to choose an innocent animal to be killed?

[00:07:41]>> Just for pleasure to eat meat. Yeah.

[00:07:44]>> And do you think that's moral? Do you think that's okay?

[00:07:46]>> No, it's not moral. It's not moral. But anyway, many people do it.

[00:07:50]>> Many people do it, right? Like and we a lot of the times we swipe it under the rug as many people do it. But if we always had this mentality, we can never change this one thing that we think is bad, right?

[00:07:59]>> So do you think maybe you should change this thing about yourself?

[00:08:03]>> I'm going to try because I I admit >> Yeah. And also would be hard to just a drastic change, but I'm going to be more conscious about what what I eat. And >> let me let's do this. I'm going to give you a card. Okay. Uh there's a documentary here called Dominion. Do you think you can give that a watch? I'll give you this card for you.

[00:08:24]>> It's a it's a it's a it's a good documentary. You'll see what it is that you're paying for and if you don't want to be part of it, you can choose to not be part of it. Okay. You have all the help. Okay.

[00:08:31]>> Thank you, man. Thank you for having this conversation. Enjoy your time in Okay. Have a good one.