⚠️ “Camilla Fabri: amor, poder y escándalo”

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[00:02:48]Statements made by guests or during the development of programs constitute opinions within the framework of public debate and do not replace the decisions or pronouncements of the competent authorities. We reiterate that every person is innocent until proven otherwise before the appropriate authorities. Well, and I welcome my guests tonight, uh, journalist Stefano Tamburini from Italy, an investigative journalist whom I am also following. Thank you because I know you do the same for me and I am extremely grateful. Well, and I also really enjoy the investigative journalistic work that, within the work of someone like the one I've been presenting, exposing my Jorge Castro channel, raises so many thorns, Stefano, so many wounds, so many discomforts that I say, well, that's the job of the journalist, uh, to stir things up so that if there's something dirty or clean it should be highlighted in any way. Well, the authorities in any public institution have to be subject to scrutiny, but their functioning and it is our duty to do so. And tonight, uh, after this preamble that I've gone on for too long, we're going to talk about Camila Fabri, how, after everything that's come to light, what's coming, Stefano, and I'm going to start with you tonight, I thank you for the first time, I hope it's not the last, uh, how was she involved? How did it consolidate? How was this structure created, uh, in what was the person identified here in the United States as the front man of the dictator, the narco-dictator Nicolás Maduro. After all this, Camila Fabri is an important piece. Welcome, Stefano.

[00:04:33]Thank you Alejandro for the invitation. Hey, greetings to my colleague Jorge Castro, with whom this topic has been constantly discussed and, well, scrutinized, as you say, regarding what I mentioned at the beginning. But it's important to say this because in a culture without democracy, like the one we've been fostering even in the Venezuelan diaspora, you can't say anything without people getting offended, right? He doesn't have to be, let's say, constantly a repeater and not a thinker. In this case, regarding Camila Fabri's situation, I have constantly received even indications about investigations that they didn't like, they didn't like them at the time when Belé had blackmailed Italy for the release of Alberto Trentini and from there a lot of calls started coming from here, from Italy and from people who are linked to that power network that had already fallen and Alex was already in prison. So yes, Camila Fabri is important in this story, she plays a decisive role, not only because she's a face that sells itself effectively on television with her modeling skills and charisma, which somehow managed to win Alexab's favor, but also because of her ambition, which allowed her to include her aunts, Patricia and others, the lady with the last name Fiore, her brother-in-law, and her own family in the acquisition of important assets in Rome: a property, works of art, and a circle that formed over time.

[00:06:25]We can also see the role, and here we put it on screen, of what was his brother-in-law Lorenzo Antonelli, who not only comes from being a loan shark, a front man as they say there and as they say here, but a person who little by little has also been led by ambition to live perfectly in that fauna that Venezuela has become and to survive because getting into a certain business without anything happening to you and without any other figure being able to touch you also requires a very shielded circle. In other words, we can see where a powerful person like Tar, who made me, ended up, and how today a person like Lorenzo Antonelli has not been touched and manages to remain peacefully in Venezuela.

[00:07:15]Rather, at this moment, as we are speaking, a kind of return is being planned, as some voices are saying, but it is something that we have to confirm.

[00:07:26]Meanwhile, we see a guy who's a year younger than me, uh, 90, class of '93, and he managed to climb what I never dreamed of climbing here in Italy. The situation is very similar to that of the Italian migrant to Venezuela, and with this I immediately yield the floor, but it is about leaving Italy where you don't have a space for investment and economic growth because the market is full of competitors and arriving in Venezuela, which you consider a virgin land without laws where you can do whatever you want. Well, a lot of Italian migrants did so many good things back in the day, but then these people come along and say, "Well, in Venezuela we can do whatever we want and we can be the ones in charge." And so the empire of the Fabri family is born, grows and thrives, this time not only in SA in our beloved homeland. Well, and you know, you've summarized it brilliantly, and before we have Jorge Castro's reading, I must say that we are recording this program at 2 pm today, Friday, and I have received the news of the resignation—and I didn't want to leave it out—of Tulsy Gabar, the national director of intelligence for the DNA or DNI here in the United States, because her husband has a rare type of cancer and she is going to dedicate herself to taking care of him. Well, uh, I've also read about a strange form of bone cancer, of osio, of, I don't know, in Spanish we call it bone cancer, right? But anyway, all the best to her, but I think it's a big setback in this department for President Donald Trump, and I bring this up, Jorge, because all this, this whole setup, should be investigated and it also impacts the United States, which is the guardian of B Rodríguez or the Rodrigato. But your reading, Camila Fabri, you're already talking about Lorenzo, this boy, and there's a plot involved. I'm going to post the picture; I forgot to upload them before, so I'll post them as I can and you can comment on them. We also have a video and some documents that I can look for when you ask me for them. Welcome.

[00:09:41]Thank you.

[00:09:42]Good afternoon. Well, for everyone.

[00:09:46]What would you like us to start with?

[00:09:50]Camila Fabri, today's topic is Camila Fabri, a model, a useful piece.

[00:09:56]Hey, who is Camila Fabri who's still in Venezuela, because the other one is here in Miami? But Camila Fabri and all the management, she also managed that criminal empire. If I want you to tell me, for you and your work, who is this lady?

[00:10:12]Well, Camila Fabri was an escort, a lady of the night that Alexa eventually met and they began a relationship and she quickly became one. Besides becoming his partner, Alex divorces, separates from his wife and she becomes an important piece in his machine because she is also part of the beginning of his network of front men, right? his corporate structure and adds his family to this structure, right? This includes her aunts, her brother-in-law, who is Alex's brother-in-law in this case, Camila's sister, well, and we see them later in Congress, in the National Assembly, in official acts and in any number of events. Well, they had a great ability to hide from the beginning, to deceive the media, even international public opinion, and to create a different face for themselves so that they would go unnoticed.

[00:11:11]This Lorenzo Antonelli will be known by another face, the face of a gentleman who in real life was the makeup artist and hairdresser of Camila and her sister, who is this one here, right?

[00:11:25]That's exactly it, that's that face.

[00:11:29]It's the makeup artist's. Uh-huh. Why is he disguising himself? I had forgotten to tell Estefano, "Estefano, here we are free from free, free at last, like stay free. This is my show, not the television channel." In other words, here you can feel free to say whatever you want, however you want. Always focused on your journalistic work, right? Hey, what does this mean, Jorge?

[00:11:49]Well, that was the way to protect him and deceive everyone. That's when you realize the kind of journalism we do in Venezuela: we don't verify the source, nobody bothers to check if that photo actually corresponded to the real Lorenzo and find out who Lorenzo really was, you understand? Now we're finding that the real Lorenzo is this one here with the beard, the one in the middle, right? It is true that this Lorenzo is everything, not only a magnate, but a guy who has a very active social life in Caracas and has participated in all the public events that could be held in the National Assembly. There we have photos of Lorenzo at official events.

[00:12:34]Yes, I'll look for it. Keep talking, I'll look for her, okay? I'll find her eventually, so don't worry, don't worry, there's time for everything here, welcome. Here you are free because we are recording something for the channel too, and so I asked them to speak one by one because it's a completely different format. Uh-huh. But anyway, if you want to add something to this, Estefano, yes, it's also important to note that obviously neither of them has any kind of competition at the level of business management, at the level of managing economic corporations, or in governance. nor from public administration and unexpectedly they find themselves there and that generates discomfort, as we already said before, that it was the ideological circuit, the hard core of Chavismo, the same as Rodríguez, the same Jorge Rodríguez Rodríguez, because these people immediately begin to fill important public positions. We saw, I mean, since when are we going to say it clearly, clearly, bluntly. A lady like Camila Fabri who made videos saying she wanted to be a model, who comes from a background and this is unknown, no one ever says it, but she comes from an important background, let's say from that market of the escort ladies that was dismantled in Rome, which was called Baby Squirlo. And she was even interviewed by a colleague at the time, uh, a colleague also confirms it to me, and she suddenly finds an incredible rise in her life that is like something out of a movie. This whole thing deserves a movie, Alejandro, because five years later, you find yourself at the very top of the Venezuelan state as vice minister of international communication, leading a campaign for the release of someone who they unexpectedly start calling a diplomat, when in fact he wasn't a diplomat at all, and then you become a minister. He's also running a humanitarian program here, which is his latest political endeavor, which is already called the "Return to the Homeland" plan, and if he does end up coming back here, we should write a poem about it, right? Because, in other words, it practically becomes her parable, the plan to return to the homeland, and it is she who ends up returning to the homeland. Almost like the tango by Carlos Gardel, returning with a rebellious forehead, and well, and all that paraphernalia. What they do, because this even becomes a comical story, since we are here among ourselves, because no one on a rational level is going to be able to explain it and this has also generated discomfort around Maduro, right? Because a Colombian who puts another Colombian there without any merit, a jumper in line, a person who manages to skip the line of ambitions, because everyone who has seen politics in Venezuela, and here I pass the word, knows how there have always been internal competitions, right? in internal competition, within the parties, within these power groups. Imagine when there's a government, when there's money involved, and there they are, applauding, let's say, in the chamber as protagonists without any reason whatsoever. They are there with an incredible rise that only Maduro will be able to explain in due time.

[00:15:55]Well, and look Jorge, there's something important in that video you're showing, isn't there?

[00:16:00]Jorge is there, yes, at a King.

[00:16:06]Yes, of course. No, and that's where I'm headed. How do Camila and Beatriz Fabri cope, how do they arrive in Alex's environment?

[00:16:13]How do they get to Venezuela? This case of Lorenzo, where they make a change of image for practically everyone and hide who the real one is, who is the one in this photo. Let me repeat that. Uh, these are already works that are being presented at the research level in Italy and other parts of the world, but they make it seem that uh it is him, sorry, this is not him, this is Lorenzo, this is the makeup artist, the one they pass off as Lorenzo Antonelli. There is a network. How do they actually get there? And why do members of the powerful constantly appear in those cheers? What was being protected? How did they protect them? Who was protecting them today, May 22nd? What did it really represent?

[00:17:01]Well, look, Estefano, it was part of the network of companies that controlled Alexa, particularly from Türkiye. Go ahead, we can see you. Stay frozen for a while, and I have Stefano as my witness. I suffer a lot because of it, but here it is again. He continues, he repeats the la. He went ahead. Explain it to me, look, there's also a question of skills that we can't overlook. Mr. Alexo, who doesn't have any kind of, I mean, he's not a person who comes from Palantir, he's not a person who comes from Silicon Valley, but I also have his life experience through which he knew how to survive. And when he studied at the German school in Barranquilla, Colombia, he managed, yes, the companies of his parents, eh, with Limanes who had emigrated to Colombia. And there is also an important issue that he becomes a valuable interlocutor for what were, let's say, the relations between the regime and the world of the Middle East. In other words, we see there that he managed to be an important interlocutor with Iran, also with Turkey, and also with those belligerent countries with which the United States obviously has no kind of alliance. Uh, no, and well, and I think that what made the United States even more bitter was this guy, and we'll give him a new word, Jorge, this type of relationship that he managed to weave and engage with this part of the world in particular with Iran. And we also encountered a strange relationship that manages to intertwine the exam with China without any kind of diplomatic role.

[00:18:48]So much so that the Concord Company came to invest in the south during the times of the great oil crisis, when sanctions were devouring, not only the sanctions, but corruption, everything else was devouring the country. So we see that this company comes from Hong Kong, and the person who tells me about this company, who is a good source, tells me that this company is not a Chinese company per se, but that it has to do with Alexa, and we manage to see how this network of international relations had not been fulfilled by anyone up to that point in Chavismo. And that was of great interest to Maduro because it allowed him to escape a condition of isolation in which, at another time, he would have found himself in the same situation as Cuba.

[00:19:34]Jorge, hey, you interrupted yourself, resume what you were explaining. In the case of this gentleman, whom they manage to hide masterfully, but they link him to large companies, present him at major events, at the highest level of the corporate structure, and make him an important piece in the concealment of capital for Nicolás Maduro and a series of companies.

[00:20:08]So, we could hardly say today that Jorge Rodríguez doesn't know what we're talking about or that he's obsessed with dementia. Now they don't know who this man was. It now turns out that Alex was not a minister or that he was not a Venezuelan citizen at some point. In short, they are aware of everything that is happening.

[00:20:30]Of course. I believe that this structure, even though there is a tutelage, and let me show you what you are teaching there to see what this refers to. That was a boxing gala that they organized in Venezuela, a festival that also considers the sponsors, the type of advertising, the coverage, and the businessman who organized the entire gala was Lorenzo. And that is when, within the framework of that activity, they take Hollingfield. I bet I have a photograph somewhere that... Ah, well, show it, show it better. Show it yourself, Jorge. It is more effective within the context of that activity. That was 1983, wasn't it?

[00:21:11]No, that was November of last year, 2025.

[00:21:14]Of course. No, what happened is that the press release refers to the Pan American Games on the 8th.

[00:21:19]Of course, here we have it. Look, right in the middle of a visit. There it is. A lot of money has been moved, what we see today and find difficult to understand, Estefano and Jorge and friends from the chat, is that we have been protagonists of a huge embezzlement of money. Here it is. Let's go see TVA Promotion. Okay, well I'll put it on for you.

[00:22:02]Well, while he's putting it on, we're seeing what I was pointing out to him, a network where so much money was moved, money that wasn't legal, obviously, otherwise he wouldn't be prosecuted, he wouldn't be in jail here. God gives maturity, God gives a dream with them. Speaking of that, he really enjoyed several of the reports that you and your team have presented and that we have shown here on our YouTube channel on the program that was allegedly fired. We'll see if that was the case. You've got it now, Jorge, right?

[00:22:31]Okay, I'll go see Stefano. Estefano, look, while you're looking for it, yes, so much money has been embezzled from our nation, but money that is not only from the treasury, from Pedveza, from the minerals, but has been mixed and multiplied by, as I was saying, as the Bible says, 77 times 7 with drug trafficking, with terrorism and other irregular groups in the world.

[00:22:55]We lose sight of the true scale of Alexa when we talk about the possibility that they are involved in something so big that we cannot perceive it now.

[00:23:05]Actually, yes, we haven't really understood the impact yet of what has been, of what has been the great network created and orchestrated by Alex, and from which everyone benefited, not only Chavismo, but even sectors of the opposition who made quite a bit of money, right? Today, only the tip of the iceberg is emerging, which is PDBA crypto, which is still conducting, let's say, a closed-door process with some information coming out, but we also see that at an international level there were entities that benefited a lot and in particular, let's say, under the plea agreement that, for example, was signed here in Italy between the defense of Alex and Camila Fabri and the Italian Prosecutor's Office, what is achieved is that those properties that were confiscated from them at one point to another are returned to their hands. He was also complicit in the dismissal of the case concerning the negotiation for Alberto Trentini and his return to Italy. But we see that in one way or another these people did believe at one point that they got away with it, but also when we see the concert of great powers that come into play, right? Money in the United States and that has not yet been fully deciphered in the way we want, and it is not something that divides between Republicans or Democrats because here we tend to ideologize and we have already gone too far with Jorge regarding the supposed connivance of the Democrats and, let's say, the determination of the Republicans to remove the regime, and that is not the case. In other words, there's no ideology here, it's all about money. And we also see other very large powers such as China, which has not left Venezuela. with China. Someone had to have sat down. An important interlocutor of China, as we mentioned earlier, was Alexa, the same Russian federation that entered the country yesterday and that whole area which today seems to belong to the United States and which is not so much like the mining arc which was a great global division of what is extractivism and someone who really wants to do research on an environmental crime should go there. Well, we can see how there were powers, as we say nowadays, that divided up the spoils and that are not, let's say, minor countries, because it's true, we always say that Cuba looted us, but there, well, obviously we are talking about an island that for ideological reasons had its connection with the Caracas regime, but that does not represent the same impact at an international level as the actors mentioned above. China, Russia, Iran, whose regime did not completely fall with the impact of the United States. So, that revisionist alliance was largely fueled by that architecture whose main objective was to evade sanctions. Whether he has become rich or not, because he is a lustful person, because he is a greedy person, etc., is another matter. The political goal here was to evade sanctions, outwit the United States, and feed a parallel system that has nothing to do with the brick, or with all the other things, or with the South-South Alliance, or with UNAS-South, or anything. That was obviously something outside the law.

[00:26:41]Hey Jorge, what are you presenting? Definitely, Jorge, we can hear you now. That's it, that's the gala. But look at how they treated this man when he arrived in Caracas, the security levels.

[00:26:59]I think the one providing security is Gran Corteaga, even.

[00:27:02]Imagine.

[00:27:08]Of course, with all the money behind it, which you have already described and which has now been done in a way that is also rude.

[00:27:22]Yes. And look at this, Alex, I think I mentioned it in a chat with you, Jorge. Yes.

[00:27:30]Um, in a conversation I had with a former DEA officer here recently, he told me that he wasn't much anymore. He used an expression that makes me laugh, because he too, of course, comes from this place and we have expressions of Cuban identity. He tells me, "Adding that won't add much to the pudding, but I think it will, because in the end I think so. Not me, me too. That was the answer you gave me when I made the comment, but I'm going to share it with Stefano and those watching us tonight. Um, this was a feast where not only figures from the past but also from the present have come into play, and there are countries involved: Turkey, Dubai, the United Arab Emirates. Um, what else is there? What else can we discover that still persists, survives after January 3rd in our country of origin?

[00:28:19]Look, well, I don't know if it was Jorge's turn to say something because you, you, go ahead, go ahead, either of us. Look, just as they were able to blackmail and use hostages to make Western countries do the will of the Venezuelan regime, just for a moment. In that way, they are holders of important information that sooner or later they could reveal, like we can talk about negotiations that took place at the time between a part of the regime Venezuelans and the same sectors of the United States of America. Uh, we don't know what happened there in January 2025 when, publicly, Chevron returned or its license was renewed, and the American executives came back.

[00:29:13]That's only one part of the whole scheme. There are so many things behind it, like in Italy, for example, you saw that they returned, Trentin returned, some Italian-Venezuelan prisoners were released, and so on, and from there things started to happen, agreements with Ennie, who is now a privileged player. But things also happened behind the scenes. There were meetings between Italian intelligence, the Italian intelligence services, and SAAB. There were negotiations; there was first a request after which they sought the return, the expulsion of Rafael Ramírez, who is now a refugee here. There were also, let's say, threats, reprisals that haven't been made public yet, and Italy's inaction in the case of Francisco. Agostino, because Italy acted like they were crazy about Agostino's arrest and the extradition request—the two extradition requests that exist in Venezuela against Agostino—they still do n't know why they released him.

[00:30:18]So, Venezuela has also become an important archive for certain types of leaders. We see today's Plus Ultra case with Zapatero, which is an international situation that I didn't cover.

[00:30:30]I see that Jorge covered it and told me a lot of things in advance. I didn't have time to cover it, but right now it's causing a stir in Europe because he's the former prime minister.

[00:30:41]I have some breaking news about that right now before we wrap up. Perfect.

[00:30:46]So, he's being called to trial, and that risks the complete collapse of Sánchez's administration and a new, let's say, return of the right wing, or well, the right wing, because I see that Vox is also splitting. So it's a particular situation in Spain, but Venezuela is like the Epstein case of other countries, and we're not doing things right. We're not doing a Venezuelan-centric analysis, but it is important to consider the amount of information that has accumulated there and that, sooner or later, if it explodes, will end up hitting a good part of the Western ruling class, as Jorge Castro revealed some time ago with the situation of Francisco de Agostino, and also with Alessandro Baroni, who used polo players to launder money from Venezuela. I mean, they even got involved with the horses, guys. Ah, they even got involved with the ponies. We have to say that, I mean, really, if there are a lot of politicians who, individually, fear that what's happening with the abuses, etc., will explode, we have to see that, well, the focus of these people is exactly Venezuela, I mean, the focus of the countries, I mean, a lot of alliances, a lot of trafficking, could explode, which has n't really come out yet, and which he is a bulwark against.

[00:32:17]Look, Jorge, before that Let me do some advertising, please, just two minutes, and when I get back you can tell me what you have there and everything new you have for tonight.

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[00:33:26]Well, it's been a while since I invited Miguel Romer to join us for the analyses. He usually does a fabulous job, and I always work with China in Venezuela, and refreshing that topic is very interesting, so I'm doing it publicly. Miguel, if you're watching, let's chat one of the nights this week. God willing, we'll both be healthy enough to do it. We're going to talk about traducir.usus. If you need certified English translations of any document, this is the cheapest option you can find.

[00:34:28]And I'll also give you the phone numbers for Dr. Dadilia Garcés, Ali Maduro Aparicio, and psychologist Gloria Garcés. She's a cosmetic doctor. I have an appointment there, I'll be there around 1 or 2 in the afternoon, so if you want to stop by, make your appointment and get up to date on how to lose weight, how to improve your health, lose weight.

[00:34:49]People say that being overweight has nothing to do with health. Yes, indeed, being overweight generally brings some consequences that affect health. I'm telling you this as someone who also used to have high blood pressure; I don't anymore, I have my occasional episodes, but I spent many years with blood pressure above 140 or 150. And even, let me tell you something, they used to tell me that my bad moods, because I'm very argumentative, very argumentative, were related to my attention. I know, because my older brother Antonio also has high blood pressure, and they say that people with very high blood pressure are generally very reactive.

[00:35:22]So, well, probably, but now you notice me calmer, more tranquil.

[00:35:27]I believe that you can't change your essence, but the happiest thing is that, as a friend of mine was saying, when I look at myself That big belly you had isn't down there anymore. Someone was asking me, saying, "Hey, but why are you still there, why are they injecting you? That 's dangerous." I told them, "Well, more dangerous than having that beer belly without drinking beer, right?" I almost drank beer; that belly is a sign of poor health. They can have stroke, heart attack, etc., etc. Look, nothing is guaranteed, nobody is immune to adversity, but taking care of yourself is priceless, because you can be completely curable and it can just disappear, because that's what it is, and I'm just talking nonsense, right?

[00:36:06]Estefano, that's me. And well, Jorge already knows me and most of the chat. Jorge, before you give me your vision, let's listen. You're listening, right, Jorge?

[00:36:16]Exit. No, Jorge, every time we go out and come back in, you see? Whoever wins in internet crap, wins.

[00:36:24]It's a... Well, the game isn't over yet. We can, let's say, I can still take a chance.

[00:36:31]Ah, then, let's listen to what Jor Rodríguez said about the people from Venezuela.

[00:36:38]We are serious about putting criminal judges, thieving judges, and unscrupulous prosecutors in jail.

[00:36:46]Let's be serious.

[00:36:53]Well, Jorge, they're serious. What do you say?

[00:36:57]Here I am. Uh-huh. Can you hear me okay? Yes, perfect. And Rodríguez says, "Yes, I can hear you better. I can hear you fine, but I can't hear you.

[00:37:07]Ah, then he goes out again and comes back in. I think this program is like a decorative Chinese vase. Well, I'm asking you. Are they serious, Estefano, about seeing how far and what interests they might go?

[00:37:22]Anyway, something very important has been noticed. There's a dismantling phase that for now is limited to those in Maduro's circle. Uh, there's a very important dismantling phase.

[00:37:38]We were able to see it with the removal of the entire high military command, Vladimir Padrino López, and up to now, right? Up to Alex.

[00:37:48]So, we can see that we can't say that Chavismo is in a phase of complete archiving, but a good part of what was the Maduro era, and up to now we are seeing the survival, in contrast, of the military wing carried out by Diosdado Cabello, while people like Tarek William Sa, who wanted to come to Italy in his time because he really liked giving talks on human rights, and all that stuff, and he didn't care when he was invited, right? He also brought that up, regarding the Trentino issue, and everyone was asking for what they wanted. But people like Tar William SA are, let's say, building up a little dossier trying to bring down people like, for example, Mr. Lacaba, who recently came to Italy, didn't offer any kind of statement for months, and who also wanted to gain political capital from the Alberto Trentino issue, from the Italian political prisoners. He wanted to sell himself as a kind of Gorbachev, right? That he was going to carry out, let's say, a series of economic reforms when, let 's say, people who also know him called him a second- rate dancer. So, we're in a kind of every-man-for-himself situation, a kind of... we can't say it's the transition that María Corina talks about because this is an imaginary thing, what the lady says with all due respect to, well, to the political endeavor of each Who, but if it's an internal transition to Chavismo, it's like what happened in the Soviet Union in that period between '92 and the early 2000s when, well, when it arrived, all of that included, right? Are you both listening to me?

[00:39:39]Yes, yes, I can hear you. Uh, uh, Jorge, and if you're listening to us perfectly, nothing, speak because you haven't been able to speak during the entire program. It seems like you've been censored. I have, on another note. You just released a video. I have the expanded version of that complaint.

[00:39:56]Let's say it's shaking Caracas right now.

[00:40:06]Give me a second. Did you hear that? We're serious. Jorge Rodríguez, thieves and the... Did you hear that?

[00:40:18]We're serious, Jorge Rodríguez, because in the Caracas courts it seems that the reality is very different. While they talk about decriminalization, the freedom of citizens seems to have a very high cost. Look closely at these documents.

[00:40:30]Citizen Oto José Erdeneta Olarte has been in a judicial limbo in Colombia for two years.

[00:40:35]Trapped by a highly questionable case dating back to 2020, here is proof that the case has lost its force. Interpol's own office in Venezuela certified in this April 2026 document that his status is entirely negative; that is, there is no longer an international arrest warrant. The case collapsed, but the paperwork suspiciously remains stagnant.

[00:40:57]This is where the tactic of bureaucratic delay comes into play, generating profits. They directly point to Judge Fredy Alberto Campo Sánchez and Prosecutor Euneris Orangel Hernández Téz as the ones keeping these documents languishing.

[00:41:10]The reason for the alleged paralysis?

[00:41:12]Sources close to the case allege that they are demanding the exorbitant sum of $300,000. Yes, you heard right, $300,000 as an unofficial condition, just for processing a document from the court to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs to notify Colombia. See how this international puzzle connects.

[00:41:30]Meanwhile, breaking news reports from abroad are raising alarms, revealing that federal agencies like the DEA and the FBI are involved. They allegedly raided Tarek William Saf's house in Puerto La Cruz. The collapse of the old power structures linked to Tarek.

[00:41:45]The Aissami has unleashed a real free-for-all within the justice system. Cornered by international pressure, the mid-level operators seem to have entered into absolute desperation to collect their earnings before the whole thing explodes. They are demanding an initial payment of 150,000 in cash to expedite the process, which they themselves are stalling as they see their traditional structures crumbling due to federal investigations and reported raids. These officials are seeking to secure their loot at the expense of the freedom of an innocent man, Mr. Jorge Rodríguez. And the promise of being taken out by these unscrupulous firms is real, not just a show for the cameras. Here are names, surnames, and case files.

[00:42:27]They are going to dismantle this extortion network and allow them to continue operating with total impunity. Don't let this go unnoticed.

[00:42:34]Like and share this. A video so everyone knows the whole truth. Time to pay.

[00:42:39]What do you think? Well, tell us, tell us more details, add what you wanted to agree on. And it turns out that this is the case I already told you about yesterday, about a man who was arrested in Colombia in 2020 and since then they've been blackmailing him, detained under the threat of extradition to Venezuela, when this individual is actually involved in a political matter with the former director of the DC, Gustavo González López. They're extorting him. They've been extorting him for about five or six years until the man got tired of giving them more money, and he has American citizenship, which is the most serious, the most delicate part. The US authorities are already on alert, the diplomatic authorities in Bogotá are aware and some measures have been taken, but even so, the alert remains in place through Interpol and the blackmail against this man and his family continues.

[00:43:34]Venezuela and its properties.

[00:43:37]Well, uh, is there or don't we see justice, Estefano, for those of us who have suffered the blows of this Castro-ism, this thing that Jorge is presenting, and what we've seen: the deaths, disappearances, recent examples like Mrs. Carmen, her son, uh, and thousands of other cases. Mrs. Marino, Merino, I think that's the last name, right?

[00:44:00]Marino, Marino, Beatriz Marino. Beatriz Marino, who has been searching for her son since 2019.

[00:44:05]There's another one out there. So many, so many disappeared, so many dead, so many people thrown from balconies. Uh, someone probably reported to me that they were going to send me a video. They have the corpses in the Wire River, floating in that filthy stream until they rot, and nobody, nobody does anything. We have a country whose regime has failed society because until January 3rd they were all pompous, they're starting to change. You also described a little at the beginning that right now it's a purge of of what Maduro's regime was, right? For now, and after January 3rd. What worries you most?

[00:44:52]What worries you most from Italy, I don't know how long you've been away from Venezuela?

[00:44:57]2016.

[00:44:59]2016.

[00:45:00]I've been to Venezuela anyway. I've tried, obviously, with the risks that entails, even being interrogated in the basement of the Maracaibo airport, because those people never leave you alone, right? Obviously, but well, what worries me is this kind of middle ground because it's the worst thing there can be. The gray areas are the worst thing there can be in a situation. Maduro, in his case, was, let's say, predictable. You could already know where he was going, you knew his alliances, etc., and you also knew his weaknesses. This kind of hybrid situation where people are getting overconfident. There are also people fishing in troubled waters. We see Mr. Lester Toledo, who even has video and all kinds of paraphernalia. We also see the Big influencers, right? Like, well, Mr. Jesús González Sevilla.

[00:46:00]Exactly. Uh, taking advantage of the chaos to fish in troubled waters, in a situation that hasn't been resolved yet.

[00:46:08]Damn it, you know what? If you want to help, why don't you go? Why do n't you open a Caritas there in the country, which is so desperately needed? No, and talk to the Episcopal Conference, or well, if you don't want to do something religious, create another type of organization and give people what they need, not like the opaque ones from the interim government, obviously, and well, and start, or there will also be, let's say, educational services, which are what people so desperately need.

[00:46:41]Before turning on the camera, worry about this kind of situation. So, these two kinds of fire worry me, right?

[00:46:47]Those of a wolf in sheep's clothing, and it continues to worry because when the news comes out about Mrs. Carmen or the confession about Víctor's death I want to clarify that this isn't about announcing the arrival of "Glassworth," or transparency, as the Russians called it, but rather about building a case against Tar William Sa. It's not about repentance, but an attempt to legitimize what was, let's say, the power of those who previously held that responsibility. And now, when things haven't changed and there are opposition members campaigning, visiting stadiums, and holding rallies, we see that we haven't learned anything from the past and that we 're using the same methods, the same lack of research, the same superficiality to address a problem that we almost never managed to solve in 30 years. This worries me. The third point that worries me, and this is on an international level, is that if before we had a player like the United States that openly denounced what was happening in Venezuela because it suited them, now we see an administration that is obviously pursuing its own interests, right? And so this happens: the human rights crisis takes a back seat, without diminishing the fact that around 500 political prisoners have been released. Which is to the credit of the United States, but what is concerning is the lack of interest in Venezuela's humanitarian crisis due to the attempt to normalize, obviously, a situation of raw materials that, well, was bound to happen sooner or later, but it's worrying because then the country is left without any indifferent or valid interlocutors at the international level. It's so much so that after January 3rd, after those two weeks, now, today, it's difficult for the Venezuela issue to regain public attention internationally.

[00:48:47]Jorge, you know, regarding what Estefano is saying, Estefano speaks slowly. I do n't like people who speak slowly, Stefano, really, but you're understandable, right? Yes, because I tend to fall asleep quickly. I prefer activity. Thank you, thank you, thank you for your attention, but, uh, but let me tell you something, I enjoy it when there's information and content like this, mind you, I'm not going to apologize because that's just how I am. Uh, you have such a valuable handling of information that it 's extremely important and Look, when I hear you, I think, "How screwed are we?" You know? It gives me time to reflect. What I don't like, well, I don't like it, but it's very good because Stefano also has an idea of ​​the contextualization of the ideological issue, as well as the background, the social issue, the geopolitical issue, and that's something we lack these days. Well, I'm adding this so you know that this is my style of program, right?

[00:49:47]No, of course, yes, yes, I adapt to this.

[00:49:49]Relax, but since you hadn't been with me before, so you don't regret it later on a second invitation. Now, uh, Jorge, Jorge suffers from the same vein as me. We're kind of burnt out, and we have an effervescence that doesn't allow us to think faster than we can speak and evolve.

[00:50:05]But listening calmly, Jorge, to Stefano, we realize that we are living in such dangerous gray areas, so incredibly dangerous, that it can be counterproductive to freedom.

[00:50:21]When he recounts the Léer issue, when I saw the hug, I say, "My God and how deflated it is, I'm going to link this with a bit of the program that we published this morning, that people are going crazy because Diosdado referred to this space and mentioned you and us about drug trafficking, about what you said, it wasn't me who said it, gentlemen, it was an investigation that has been carried out for some time, eh, Jorge, but people don't want to listen to it.

[00:50:49]They prefer to publicize, Jorge, that hug, the moment they return, and not the proposal of a Caritas or another NGO that allows helping those who suffer.

[00:51:00]The catch-a-tat attacks are really something, are n't they? But besides the fact that we're talking about Léer Toledo, who is a criminal, even if Estefano does n't like the less-than-cordial and less-than-courteous terms I use when I describe him, he 's a criminal, okay? That 's a guy who stole an entire cargo plane that they picked up in South Florida. The cargo of an entire plane that arrived in Venezuela and was lost. It wasn't sent by the USA, it was sent by Venezuelans who came together in Florida and collected a series of supplies and sent them; they chartered a plane and sent it by air cargo. Those people, that character, took that. I mean, a guy who, when he arrived in Colombia, imagine that, eh, Álvaro Uribe Vélez, didn't want to see him at all because he said he was a toxic guy as a political advisor. I mean, the same one they sold us, who also takes credit for Bukele's victory in Honduras, remember? Sorry, in El Salvador.

[00:52:05]This one, apparently worked with this Sara Sar Sara Hani, who was another person, of course. He ended up being Bukele's right-hand man, and in a relationship with his sister-in-law, well, in practice.

[00:52:20]Clear. And he was the right-hand man here in the whole media operation.

[00:52:26]Anyway, wherever Lester Toledo has been, he's had problems; he was in the Dominican Republic and he also left a trail. Tell me, Estfan, this nonsense about me marrying the first person who comes along simply because they're right-wing, because they're not from the other side, so I accept everything they offer?

[00:52:48]We know for a fact, we know it's confirmed, and I don't know who on this program likes Bukele or anyone else, but this is a fact: Bukele had specific dealings with criminal gangs, with whom he managed to forge a pact that lasted over time, and that's why this whole thing came about.

[00:53:07]And with Hugo Chávez, a direct, intimate contract with Hugo Chávez is the good thing. Beyond that, that's another very important element. But beyond that, this whole thing came about because at the time there were 13 gang members in the United States, including Elegreña, who could clearly speak about the pacts that were made from 2020 onward with the government, with Bukele, even when Bukele was a candidate for mayor of San Salvador, and that couldn't be revealed in the United States. United because it could generate a situation similar to that of Juan Orlando Hernández, who was pardoned, but he did get into big trouble for drug trafficking and is now trending with the Honduragate investigation, which is another issue. But going back to the question of El Salvador, we cannot then say that it is an admirable example. I saw comments saying, "Oh well, hopefully he'll help us with security then, since he was Bukele's consultant."

[00:54:07]But then Bukele made a deal with the electoral consultant and asked for those thugs to be brought back to him so he could manage them here in his country, offering Trump around 50% of the cost of receiving the various Venezuelan expulsions who were there. So, we can't say that Bukel is an example, a jerk who comes along and also goes after the Faro newspaper that exposes the corruption schemes and then suffocates them. That's already a script and it pursued them until they had to leave Salvador. We saw it earlier. So, you ca n't come with the story that because the hell he's right-wing he accepts everything and because this hell he 's Cuba and he's Marxist- Leninist. Then I don't report it, nor vice versa, because then we're not ethical at all, I mean, we don't have the gray areas we're talking about. Jorge, sorry for interrupting you. Forward.

[00:55:08]No, because there's also a story recently about the candidate who was killed there in Colombia, the presidential candidate, help me remember, Miguel Uribe. Miguel Uribe.

[00:55:19]Miguel Uribe. And Miguel Uribe's advisor, the one they hired, the one they imposed on him, well, the one the cattle ranchers' association wanted to impose on him. The senator's husband, the president of the Colombian Cattle Ranchers Federation, I forgot, Senator Cabal's husband, was precisely Toledo.

[00:55:40]Exact. So, what are we talking about? that the one who paid Toledo's fees to hire him as an advisor to Miguel Uride is the same guy who financed the United Self-Defense Forces of Colombia, the same guy who was Salvador Mancuso's partner. So, what are we talking about?

[00:56:01]Of an entity of a network that has a beginning and an end that are the same. And here's the political issue, the issue of the current ones. You are talking about Estert Toledo, but Estert Toledo also embraced the leadership of this novelistic opposition figure. So it's the same thing. What are we talking about? What are we talking about?

[00:56:22]Just like that young man González Sevilla, who is a puppet of Leopoldo and a newcomer who also has a torrid romance with a boy of 3 centimeters.

[00:56:38]centimeter, not kilometer. That same millimeter.

[00:56:42]Well, it's the same to me. And there they are, deceiving people again. About what? That's the solution.

[00:56:52]Well, the cure is worse than the disease.

[00:56:57]I say the same thing, and you know that, Estefano, look, this morning I mentioned a segment we published that Jorge and I recorded yesterday, in which I mentioned Dado Cabello, from this network, right? It has arrived in Panama and I want your reading since we have a few minutes left, eh, María Corina Machado, yes, just as I said, I posted a tweet and it's blowing up among all the people because I do it on that social network that I use and that I like the most. Uh, this is my YouTube channel, right?

[00:57:25]But I put my balloon up, and people vomit on your writings. Nothing, I've really been noticing that things aren't the same anymore. María Corina really doesn't have the same receptiveness anymore, there wasn't that slaughter.

[00:57:42]Let's see what happens tomorrow. But Mulino, who is important, has also been accused, Jorge has made them, you must have read them in the international press, he washes his hands and says that he will receive her for a little while next Monday so that she can inform him. But the issue of bringing her the dress from that magnificent party was left behind.

[00:58:01]And no, he didn't clarify the matter of the Neapolitan cart driver, nor did he clarify the seizure of the ship with the small amount of drugs. This is in International Waters, the president of the Venezuelan Association, of the Venezuelan- Panamanian Chamber, the president of the Panamanian Chamber of Exporters, everyone involved in this scheme has not clarified it.

[00:58:23]So, and everything remains, Stefano, it all remains in gray areas, gray areas where the big losers are those who keep betting that the novel is going to be what I already think it isn't. Today there was a meeting, I saw it before we started recording with you, where Edmundo González was with the same people as always from the platform where you... I say, what a disgrace, what a disgrace that we have to end that gray area and move definitively to the black one, to the Tun Tun one, because that way we are not going to prosper. And in that way, Estefano, I don't know if you agree with me, Donald Trump is going to have to have a tough time where we're going to have to swallow a lot because it's with the criminals that Ciro Rodríguez directs because the rest is worse. That was the first line of reasoning he used when he decided to intervene in Venezuela. I mean, he simply, uh, look at this thing, this thing was told, it was narrated back in the 800s by people like, let's say, the sociologist Max Veer, who was German at the time, and Germans are very pragmatic, and he would say to you, well, what is a government? What is the legitimate monopoly on violence in the territory? Who exercises it? These bugs. What are these others? Well, these others are looking at the sky, these others are doing lame philosophy because they don't even open books, they don't study. So these people who come to deceive me, as they already did at the time, I cannot count on them to regenerate what is social unity and to ask for governance in the country, because they are simply not only absent, as well as we are, right? but they have lost touch with the real country, they have lost touch with the needs of the people, they have lost touch with the crisis in Venezuela, they have decidedly encouraged the crisis to worsen so that, well, so that the explosion would occur. The big flop at the time occurred on January 9, 2025, when it was expected that, well, that people would react in one way or another to what was that very strange situation with María Corina Machado who had been accused of the issue of the little blue purse. In the end, people aren't there, they're not there because, besides, well, it has weakened a lot, and protesting in Venezuela has had its share of problems, right? But they are preparing you, excuse me, you touched on an important point, they are preparing another false positive with Norvei Marín who is already putting on another show saying that a contingent of FAR members is going to enter to attack María Corina. What is Norve looking for? Either a campaign is launched in Venezuela, or something actually happens to María Corina, and then we'll see who gets blamed. It also seems irresponsible.

[01:00:56]And it is because, well, that's another example of the constant manipulation of news to then generate it, right? And make them happen. And unfortunately, this is an agenda that runs parallel to, and is very different from, that of Donald Trump, as we already said. Donald Trump said, "Well, we're going to do something pragmatic, a pragmatic solution. You keep domestic politics, or part of it, but you govern. For me, we neutralize all action, all action abroad. It's no coincidence that the Alliance of the Americas was born, which just hours ago spoke out about the situation in Bolivia. And there, I mean, inside your country, well, keep your colors, which aren't even there anymore because there have even been significant chromatic changes, but foreign policy and resources are for me, and that's it, because I don't have any valid interlocutors. Because a valid interlocutor, for example, I have in Bolivia with peace, or I have one in one way or another in Argentina with my law that won its elections. We can say that everything that has happened here—and with this I conclude, because I understand, aside from the slowness, I understand—that everything that has happened here is the sole responsibility of the regime, which has its historical responsibility. There have also been huge divisions in the The opposition, when electoral avenues were possible—and we know this in one way or another— saw an unforeseen collapse. We don't want to talk about 2015, when they won a majority in the National Assembly, and from there they began to divide, despite the pact to remain united, and instead they started tearing each other apart. One side demanded resignation, another demanded a transition, let's say a recall referendum, and then the idea of ​​a constituent assembly emerged because they wanted to emulate Chávez. So, from there, that was the last democratic path we squandered because Chavismo is politics, and from then on, everything that followed was utopian and an increase in power for Chavismo, right?

[01:03:02]Chavismo was building the constituent assembly, which was real and had its decline because it was based in the country. Guaidó was fabricating a government by acclamation abroad. We squandered that opportunity, and from then on, we also squandered the possibility of a transition from a government exercised by... Maduro's opponents, and that's where the tutelage comes in.

[01:03:26]Why? Because you're not capable of governing yourselves.

[01:03:29]Well, we're left with... he's writing here, they sent me this from you right now. That Noel Georden looks quite a bit like you, huh?

[01:03:44]This is your fan, and Lemaro. I don't know if he's a fan or a detractor. Sometimes he's in some gray areas there.

[01:03:49]Yes, I have my doubts. I also have him under observation.

[01:03:53]Ah, which one? Right. I have him under observation. Ah, well, nothing, everyone needs to be observed. We agree on that, he needs to be observed. What are you left with from this conversation? What else do you have to say, Jorge, to finish this Friday?

[01:04:06]Quickly, the Plus Ultra thing leads me to believe that they're going to liquidate Plus Ultra by order of the court authorities, the National Court is going to be forcibly liquidated, and that Rodríguez Zapatero is going to end up in jail.

[01:04:24]Well, I'm absolutely happy about it, about that news. So let's pray that it happens. Estefano, what are your takeaways from this conversation we 've had?

[01:04:35]Well, I'm also taking away, let's say, " Wait, wait, sorry, before you say it, wait, hold on." I like it, I like it because sometimes I feel—that's why I have an educational project I 'm working on. How can I re-educate people? Look, I did n't talk about how slow it was, man, and in the last 15 minutes you've become, you've said swear words, that relaxed, right?

[01:04:57]No, no, but there were also topics that made me, that made me angry.

[01:05:03]Exactly. Angered.

[01:05:05]Now then, what are your takeaways, Estefano?

[01:05:08]No, I'm taking away the realism, that is, not the hope of not getting our hopes up with these kinds of siren songs that people carry in Go ahead, right? So they talk about magic solutions, that they come in through the airport and start, let's say, selling us the same old formulas they used to sell us. And I'm also left with the certainty that one way or another, I mean, Venezuela is true, it's not under the gaze of international journalists, but there are Western nations, there's the United States, that in one way or another are still paying attention to what's happening in the country, and we can no longer do whatever we want, at least not in this respect. Now, I don't agree with theories like the 51st State or any of these things that have come out lately. I believe we have the right to have a sovereign country, but I do constantly believe that at least this election serves to prevent those false leaders who are now, for example, in Panama, from giving us false hope. And well, we talk about the phenomenon of María Corina Machado, who received a consolation prize in the Nobel Prize. Something new will come along, but the future of the country isn't decided there. The future of the country isn't decided in the Cameras, the future of the country isn't decided by slogans, by those slogans that always came with a "now," that "now" that was eternal and lasted 20 years, right? And that "now" largely reflects the immediacy of Venezuelan culture, or rather, of the subculture, because it has nothing to do with the real culture of the country, which is that we want immediate solutions without breaking our backs. I think we're turning the page. We don't know what will come, but we do know at least that there are a lot of figures who are going to be relegated little by little to the backyard of history, and well, we'll just have to wait for future generations.

[01:06:57]Thank you, Estefano, really, for this opportunity. I also thank Jorge Castro and all of you in the chat for participating in this tremendous program.

[01:07:07]Well, there it is. We've broken down who Camila and Alex are. Camila Fáb, of course, his wife, the network, Extremely dangerous. And we'll see and discuss what happens this weekend. We'll also see Jorge next Monday morning, God willing, if we record something, but we'll be there at 9 a.m., God willing. So, see you then.

[01:07:30]Estefano, I see you have another chance. I loved your analysis—cold, confident, and accurate. I can see how you're going to get hit with the "hubieron" thing, something I suffer from.

[01:07:42]Yeah, yeah, people close to the position are even sending us legal things, intimidation.

[01:07:48]So, yes, yes, that's right, isn't it? And well, we have stories and people who intend to silence us that way, right?

[01:07:55]I was referring to the verb that the Royal Academy already gives for some personally, but you know that when someone uses the verb instead of " hubo" in the plural "viero," then you'll see how they're going to... But you know that's a problem, a problem that people who leave the country have. Here in In the United States, none of the Cuban-Americans say there was something there, if there wasn't. So, well, one of the things I've learned, and this is what I'll take away from it, is that, gentlemen, it doesn't make us more or less than anyone else, and that's a little mental flaw we have, a defect, because we think we're perfect, because we studied, uh, that's not what's important. What's important is to keep an eye on things and denounce them, and not fall into those seductions of creating false leadership. H, do you have something to say that's uncomfortable there? No, no, no, no. I have some things to take care of right now.

[01:08:46]Oh, well, because I'm rambling. Nothing. Okay, thanks. Big hug.

[01:08:49]Thanks to everyone.

[01:08:50]Thank you. Have a good time.

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