The collectibles market is increasingly dominated by wealthy institutions and investors rather than traditional collectors, as demonstrated by the $3 million sale of a graded Super Mario Brothers video game to AJ Scaramucci's Treasure Trove. This institutional involvement creates market volatility, as these entities may quickly sell items when market conditions change, potentially lowering prices. The collectibles market operates on a 'tulip mania' cycle where prices inflate during booms and crash during corrections, with different categories like trading cards experiencing more rapid turnover due to their mobility and liquidity compared to comics or video games.
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There Are No Collectors! BIG MONEY Buys PSA Mario, Bricks & Minifigs DISASTER, Heroes Con Recap!
Added:Micro penis >> rated video games back. Well, big money certainly seems to think so. What's going on with Bricks and Minigs? And how was Heroes Con, which many people say is the greatest comic book con of the year?
We're going to talk about all these things coming up next on the Unrad Truth Podcast.
Detective Comics set a record for 1.8 million. Nobody really cares.
>> Who are annoyed that people are asking the question, is this book fair? That question didn't exist a year ago.
Somebody's submitting like 25 vintage books and getting 15 9.9. We always think, how could it ever get crazier?
And then it always does.
>> Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the number one collectible show in the universe, The Ungraded Truth. Special stream tonight on a Friday. Uh but uh it's good thing that we could get the guys together because we have lots to talk about as always. I'm Swaglehos joined as always by Automatic Comics Ryan Manu the 99 News stand and Rob Neoards and Comics back from Heroes Con himself. Rob, how you doing? How was the trip? It's good to see you, you know, home back in your comic book basement.
>> Uh it was good. I mean, anytime you walk out of a convention with an AF15, I think you're rolling all right.
>> Oh, spoiler. Yeah, we we see it hiding in the background there.
>> Is it back there? Oh, it sure is.
>> It's >> beautiful.
>> It's back right there. Well, >> we we we won't get ahead of ourselves because we do have some pickups to talk about tonight. But before we do, we have to do a little bit of housekeeping.
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collector booster boxes selling at crazy prices right now when the hit rates are absolutely abysmal. So, very interesting things uh to get into, but last little bit of housekeeping. This is a co-stream on all of our streams. If you guys have not yet subbed up, Ryan's channel, he's live over there. Neo's channel, he's live on his on his YouTube and his Twitter as well. So, give him a sub. I'm live on mine. Wherever you are watching the show tonight, make sure to hop on over to the description and give everybody a little bit of love. But gentlemen, any other little housekeeping things before we kind of get into our main topics tonight? Anything you guys want to shout out?
>> No, let's get into it.
>> Let's do it, Rock.
>> All right. Well, let us go into our lead story, which was the graded video game sale for Super Mario Brothers in a PSA 9.6 A++ sealed gloss sticker. second production that went for an incredible whopping price of $3 million. The most expensive video game to ever have been sold. I mean, and that's saying something considering we had the crazy boom of video games back in 2020 and 2021. To backtrack a little bit and set up the story a little bit further, uh, Heritage Auctions had its recent uh, video game platinum auction. Uh, this was the flagship game for that. This uh has a very interesting story actually that you know it was found in you know an old NES system. A lot of people didn't think that you know this high grade of a copy actually ever existed but this was one that was actually never really circulated like meaning it wasn't actually put on shelves which is why it got such a high-rade distinction. And a lot of people were talking about how you know maybe this could break a million dollars. The previous record was 2 million in a private sale. Created video games, ever since their their controversy of, you know, the Wada scandal and the lawsuits and the class actions and all that stuff has had its major pullbacks. There's a lot of people that were soured on creative video games. But now we have this sale and it kind of feels like maybe video games are back, you know. Um guys, I'm going to kind of kick it over to you guys and um ask you what you just initially thought about this sale and uh this price before we kind of move on to some of the other interesting topics within this video game extravaganza. What do you guys think?
>> I mean, everything's back except comics, right? That's what it seems like.
>> Never.
>> Uh but like I mean the tricky part for me always with video games is they're actually they they are always really confusing with the labels. There's so much variation between different prints and different stickers and different seals and all that kind of stuff. Like it it's all to me it always gets a little tricky. So I always am wondering if that's something that maybe would hold that market back. But clearly uh clearly not on uh on this where this went for I mean a huge number. I mean $3 million and a new record is pretty crazy to see.
>> Wow.
>> What did you guys think about the sale of manure, Rob?
>> I I love it. I mean this is a It's quite a lot more than it was when we were highlighting it on last on the last episode. I think it was at like $675,000.
And uh you know, we anticipated a strong finish, but this is wild, right? And when when uh I first saw that it had sold for $3 million, probably shared by by one of you guys is probably when it first got my attention, like this final price, I was like, "Holy cow, that's a ton." you know, and then a couple of days later um which we're going to talk about in a moment, it um I discovered or or you showed me who bought it and and that's very interesting and my thoughts on that aren't fully developed, but that is a much wider conversation, a larger topic, and that's what I'm excited to talk about. But in terms of a video game selling for $3 million, one of my favorite games, one of everyone's favorite games, I think that's fantastic. It what does it mean? I don't know. Are video games back? I mean, this is certainly an indication that it's going to start happening. Like, you know, obviously this we know what takes place after something like this happens.
So, I love it and I want to dive into the weeds of what it all means and who bought it and so on and so forth.
>> We're going to get there. You set it up nicely. But Rob, before we do, just talking about the sale, what was your kind of initial thoughts?
>> I mean, like, it's cool. I'm not I'm kind of like Ryan. Like I don't really understand graded video games and all the nonsense and shenanigans that are on the labels for them and all the different like little notes that they put on there. Uh it'd be cool to own some games from like when I was a kid, but I I just don't like I don't know.
Like I get it, but I don't get it. And like Manuk kind of led into the whole like are real collectors like aren't buying these things? like it's institutions and businesses buying these super high-end and rare things which I mean the downstream effect is that it pumps everything else up like it's going to bring everything out of the woodwork and you know quote unquote raise the values of of lower-end stuff of this but I don't know like I get like I said I get it but I don't get it like would it be cool to own a sealed copy? Yeah.
Would I care if it's in a 96 or not? I don't know. Like I don't know. This is just >> I would only buy a 98. I I don't know why they're even buying 96. I'm I'm 100 gold label only.
>> Yeah. What are we talking about here?
You know, >> I want I want >> This is from the 80s. This is this is copper age rage. Like, what are we >> I want the Zelda gold label color match.
>> Oo. Well, there there were some Zeldas that did go up for sale. We'll talk a little bit about that later on. But to the point of what Manu was saying, and maybe maybe the more interesting part of the story that we can really unpack is who ended up buying the Super Mario Brothers for $3 million? Because as our show is titled, you know, there are no real collectors because the people that always end up buying these highric figures seem to be big money institutions, kind of like AJ Scaramucci, who the day after this thing got sold, he made this post over on his Treasure Trove Instagram account showing that he was in fact the one that ended up buying this thing. Uh, if you guys don't recall what Treasure Trove is, AJ Scaramusi Mucci was the guy who ended up buying the Logan Paul Pikachu illustrator card for 16 million. And he made mention uh upon his purchase that he's sort of trying to do this modern-day collector hunt where he is going to put together the greatest uh collectibles and the greatest uh, you know, art pieces uh, ever to be found and just have the greatest collection in the world. uh a little bit of his background comes from, you know, uh his dad who has kind of been in the financial world for many times. So there's a lot of talk about how big money institutions, companies coming in to make purchases like these and use them to kind of platform their own various business ventures. They're it's more of a marketing um aspect to their business when they buy these types of things. Um I guess let me kind of throw that over to you guys. Do you feel like that that sort of threw some water on the blanket for this sale knowing that it was an institution that buys it? Or is it the same to all you guys no matter who ends up with it?
>> I mean, me personally, like I I don't really have the problem with institutions buying things versus an individual like a person with a bunch of money or a group of people with a bunch of money, you know? I I mean like at the super high end like how many people are really playing around in that area anyway. So it's like ah who cares? Like like I just like I mean it's cool to see the sale. I like seeing the big sales, but it I I'm not going to get all hurt that you know some some like uh entity bought it because I mean people like I I feel like people think like maybe it's like oh if they hadn't bid on it I could have owned it. And it's like no. Like it was going to go for a lot anyway. It's just it went for a little more.
You guys agree, >> Robert? Neil, >> I I I mean, I agree with that sentiment.
I should have listen, I should have uh taken in more content about the purchase of this. I want to hear what Scaramucci has to say about the purchase, but just watching even without audio that reel of, you know, him and I think his brother and his friends like dressed as characters from Mario Brothers, like there was no shot at them not winning it. You know, when you have, this is an exaggeration, of course, but when you have endless funds, you no one has, he doesn't have endless funds, but he he has what appears to be, right? You spent $16 million on a Pokemon card. He wasn't letting that thing go. He has an objective here, and he has the capital, like an insane amount of capital to make these things a reality for himself or his team um or or his uh his end goal.
But, uh there was no shot of him not buying this. Now, who was bidding against him? Who knows, right? but someone else obviously with really deep pockets. I didn't watch the action happening live and and the I want to continue having this conversation. I want to develop these thoughts more, but you know, he clearly has a thesis about collectibles and so does Jeremy Padaw who's one of his like uh friends. They have a podcast together and I'm not familiar with the other individuals on the podcast, but I'm probably going to consume some of it just to kind of feel what they're thinking. But I have heard Scaramucci talk about uh I think there was a brief clip I consumed somewhere where I believe he was talking about Pokemon. He said something interesting where he said Pokemon's like currency, right? Where there's was it I I don't I I I forgive me if it wasn't him, but I think it did come from him or from his podcast where he's talking about the global value and the economic factor that Pokemon is, right? and how much of it trades annually, how many dollars worth of these things uh get traded around. And he talks about it in the sense that we we talked about before about like market cap and things like that. Like really from a financial perspective, an alternate asset, but an asset class that's developing rapidly, being more more real as a financial instrument or a place to even find liquidity or store your wealth if you want to. like it's becoming more real in that sort of a sense than it's ever been before. And maybe in the 90s to a certain extent there was this kind of conversation. I was too young to maybe take it all in or remember it. But you know Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies were an alternate asset class and then they became very real and they became a financial instrument and financial institutions that have you know certain governing bodies have now decided to take part in them and is that also what's going to happen in collectibles?
Are collectibles actually going to be looked at as an asset? The other question I have is, is that a foregone conclusion and there's a couple of wealthy, smart people that know that and uh that's why they're jumping in or is it going to be them, their voice, their money, and their influence that actually makes it that like are they seeing the writing on the wall or are they writing on the wall? Right? That's what I really want to find out.
>> That part is is super interesting and we're going to talk a little bit more about that. I want to revisit the water thing, but Rob, why don't you chime in here? Talk about Ag Scaramucci buying this thing, Treasure Trove. What's your thought on this kind of big money coming in?
>> Uh, I have two thoughts. One related to that, one unrelated. The first one related is any of this high-end stuff that sells like I'm not surprised that it's some group or institution buying it. We've been seeing it on the sports card side for a while that you know between Treasure Trove and Logan Paul and you know there there's these just like little factions of ultra rich usually with like a front man to to to kind of you know help the the marketing side of it. It it does make me a little like if I was a high-end person and I guess maybe it doesn't matter. It just always concerns me when there's not like when the end user is not a collector and it's an entity. It always makes me concerned for when the downside comes because they don't they don't have any love of the game that actually hold on to it. So when when [ __ ] goes sideways, it could go quicker when you have people buying it that aren't buying it because they truly want to own whatever it is.
Whether it's a comic, a card, a game, doesn't make a difference >> when it's just like an asset that they're looking at like that. like the second something goes sideways, they're going to sell it immediately. So, it makes the makes the floor a lot lower potentially. And then my my unrelated one is just more of a video games are not meant to be slabed. Mario is meant to be free.
>> The cartridge should be should be uncaged. You should be blowing on that cartridge >> and putting it in your NCS and trying to get it to work >> and and and let let Mario run. Mario was made to run free. He should not be caged.
>> What's funny about that is that is actually a lot of the sentiment within the video game culture. You know, no matter what hobby you're in, >> it's all of them.
>> Yeah. It's all of them. They're all the same. They're all the same.
>> The same complainers in everything. Like you see it in coins, you see it in comics, in cards. Like, >> god, it gets it gets we've talked about before. It's like it gets a little tiring after a while just the the complaining. It's like just let people do what they want.
>> Yeah. No one's no one's ever going to uh no one's ever going to agree, right?
Like this would be brief and I want to jump back into this, but the other day uh I was at um a game store where I mean I don't know what it's called, right?
Where they they sell Magic the Gathering cards and TCG and so on and so forth.
And I just walked in because I was in the neighborhood and uh it has something like a comic book store appeal to me.
So, you know, I just I want to walk in for the energy and they were unboxing the new Marvel Superheroes Magic the Gathering um items, right? There was the collector boxes, the other boxes, special edition boxes, different boxes.
And he said, "These are going to be available this weekend. We can't sell them yet." So on and so forth, but they obviously get their inventory early. And uh you know, I I led with you know, I'm not a TCG player, but uh I am a collector and um I do look for the more valuable stuff. And I led with that so that he didn't find that out later in the conversation and think I was the enemy, right? The [ __ ] that wants to slab or look for the valuable stuff. And so I led with that in a friendly way uh to kind of just have that uh already established. And I said, "Well, which one of these boxes would I buy if I wanted to find the valuable card?" And he said, "The collector's box. You have to buy the collector's box." And I talked to him a little bit about the Spider-Man, Magic the Gathering, so on and so forth. And he went into uh not a not a rant, but he he went into the fact about how Magic the Gathering people didn't like the fact that comic book and card people were slabbing the cards.
They're like, "We don't slab our cards.
We don't do that. We play with our cards." And it's that same conversation, right? So, you're always going to have uh both sides and everyone gets to have fun within the community and that tension keeps that friction, the tension keeps things interesting. It keeps a dialogue going, right? Uh so, that's kind of fun. But back to this, is this a good thing? You know, are these huge amounts of money, and I'm not picking aside, I'm just having the discussion.
Are these huge amounts of money and this massive publicity that these sales are getting, is it a good thing or is it the end? Like, is there going to be an inevitable crash as everyone starts to buy things for more than they're worth, if that's the word to use? Like, are they going to get left holding the bag?
Like Neil said, you know, when the guys that have hundreds of millions of dollars decide, oh, this is not fun anymore and they lose some money, they're just going to sell it before the end of the year and write it off, you know, like and they're just going to move on. Like people that play with this amount of money, they're going to take some losses and they know how to cope with that and move on to something else that's going to be profitable for them.
What does it mean for the everyday collector? Is this a good thing? Is this the beginning of a collectible boom again? Or have has the boom silently been taking place? Just not in comic books apparently. And there's an inevitable crash. I can't figure that out. Like I don't know if I'm supposed to be playing here or if I'm supposed to be avoiding it. I'm a little nervous but excited at the same time. Like can any of you guys help me sort out my thoughts? Like where are we going? I I mean my thoughts on this is like the only place where I've really seen the like to me at least like the the high-end transfer down to increases in the lower end is cards like cards we've really seen like the entire market moving but with comics like it's not like we haven't had similar big sales.
We had the we've talked about before we had the action comic sale for 15 million. We had the Batman one sale and the Superman one sale like for big big numbers all that kind of stuff. And so like we had big sales there and other comics generally have still like we're we're generally flat. We're not down in that like downtrend anymore, but we aren't like taking off like everything Pokemon and you know and all of that.
Same thing. I mean and maybe I maybe I'm just not as familiar with it, but it feels relatively similar with manga. You know, it's like the big stuff's moving, but how much impact is it really having on the lower end stuff? And with video games, we're seeing a big sale, you know, for the these big numbers, but how much impact is that really having on the lower end? I I just I don't really feel like any of this is necessarily moving the lower end that where more people really live than like like we're seeing in in cards. And so that's why the one that scares me the most is cards >> because cards feels a lot more like what we saw during the like the COVID boom, you know, where it's like everything was going up across all ranges. And so then like is it real? And like what happens when it starts to pull back and you get a bunch of people losing starting to lose money and they just start selling into it. But in these other areas, if it really is just like the super high-end that's really moving, I mean, if that drops, like what do I care? you know, it's like it's it's a headline maybe, but it doesn't really matter otherwise.
>> You know, there was um there was another clip and I think it was the treasure trove uh what is their podcast called? I want to uh address it appropriately, >> but their podcast on that one.
>> Sure. Thank you. There was another clip where they were talking to the uh the guy from Pawn Stars, you know, the main guy, the and Rick, right?
Yeah. And he said that comic books are next. He thinks comic books are uh an underappreciated uh collectible category that has yet to boom. And yes, you mentioned we've seen some large sales in the Superman one, so on and so forth. Yeah, this clip here.
But like that's exciting to me to think cuz all the other markets in collectibles are booming and crazy things are happening and all price ranges seem to be affected by the enthusiasm, but we haven't seen that in comic books. Does that mean I mean like I feel like that means comic books are next. Like it's just going to happen.
One morning we're going to wake up and the crowd is going to be sourcing comic books.
>> I mean that's possible. Uh Treasure Hunters is the name of their podcast.
>> You know what's interesting about this?
Not really where I was thinking that we would take the conversation, but since you guys are are chatting about it, I figured I'll just weigh in. You know, I do wonder if in collectibles there is just rotation of money. And I just wonder if uh cards is just in that winner take all flywheel because it's like yes Action one can sell for $9 million or this Mario Brothers can sell for $3 million but like why isn't the low-end moving? Um probably because I could just go into Pokemon and do better you know. So, if you are somebody who is like uh you know looking to get into a collectible world and you're you got all these different verticals to choose, I mean, you're probably just going to go to the one where you actually have like the liquid value like you do in Pokemon and trading cards and all that sort of stuff. And so, I I just I say all that to say I don't know if uh this would necessarily move video games or comics.
like the only thing that's going to make those things move is them actually moving faster than Pokemon. And I just don't know if that's possible, but I don't know what you guys think about that.
>> And one one of the comments I saw in the the chat that I really do think is a big driver for cards is it's the mobility of them. Like they're so small, they're so easy to take a bunch of them someplace.
You can have vendors that can easily just travel with them to shows where they can bring like cases of cards like on a plane and then just rent uh rent booths that have like glass, you know, glass cases to display them, you know, they don't have to like with with comics, even with like things like video games, manga, like manga are they're freaking phone books, you know, those things are huge, you know, and so like all this stuff that takes up a lot more real estate, it's just not as easy to carry around and do little trades or like, you know, you could have somebody that has like a case of cards that has easily millions of dollars in one case or hundreds of thousands in one case.
Whereas like to have that in comics outside of a few very expensive items, you've got to have like a whole wall setup, like hundreds of pounds of stuff you're lugging around. And so I I really think that I that is got to be one of the big pluses with cards in terms of collectibles and how how the market works with them and shows and everything is they are just so mobile. And also I I think I think we were kind of touching on a little bit is the liquidity of them. I mean I remember a few months ago and we may have talked about it on here.
People were talking about how like on the we'll call it like the the less uh I don't know the bad side of the law, you know, type things like people can travel with them, you know, overseas and find a show and sell it and immediately have cash.
>> You're not, you know, and you're not traveling with 20 30 grand in cash, but you've got a few cards on you. You could go get that at a show easily. You probably make it through on a plane or whatever. nobody even think about. And so there's very interesting things that that come into play when you're talking about cards and that side of it as well.
>> You make a really good point. I want to quickly uh Binky here in the chat says 9.9. What you talking about? Comics went tulip in 2021. Their time came and went.
And I like the way he phrased that.
Everyone might be familiar with like the tulip craze from way back in the day.
It's an analogy everyone uses and it it was very famously associated with cryptocurrencies uh five or six years ago or maybe even a touch more than that. But in any case, what I want to say to that is true, they did, but every collectible market did that and every collectible market then went down and now has come back up. Comics have not yet. That's the question. Like every collectible market went tulip crazy uh in in the pandemic, right? and and then collapsed and now we've seen >> and a lot of them took a long time to come back. I mean, it's like I talked about my uh I had vintage Pokemon cards.
I had like a Shadowless Charizard and like a uh a base set, first edition base set, Gyarados, and that kind of thing.
And I was in the red in those until earlier this year and all of a sudden vintage like took off and it was with one of I think it was with like the big Charizards. I think that's probably what pushed it that you know and thank Scaramucci I guess that I was able to sell my my cards back in the black you know but it's like because nobody cared about vintage. It took five years for that for my car to get from where I paid to be able to get out of it in the black. So things didn't all just come back.
>> These guys are doing a lot for the market. Like we're being super analytical about it but they truly are.
Like you know I can show that headline to someone and be like no no cards are a great investment. Video games are a great investment. Look, and to someone that's not thinking about it or been around for a decade dealing with the ups and downs, they're like, "Oh, man." You know, there really is something going on here, it does make for an easier sell, right? And um tulip mania is what I think they used to call it. Swag. Sorry.
>> I want to take us back. Rob, do you have any other thoughts on that? Just uh what the guys were talking about with trading cards being more liquid and easier.
Before I before I bring it back to the video game conversation here, >> I mean, I I I agree with Ryan. I think one of the biggest problems is that comics just don't feel transactional enough. And that's what people want.
They want that action. They want that like the flip game. They want the be able to walk into a show with one thing, trade it 16 times, you know, sell it a couple of times and walk out with something completely different. And I think part of that is the size, like the form factor of the collectible that makes it more difficult. I think also a large part of it, and we've kind of touched on this in previous episodes, I don't think the, and this is just me coming off of, you know, two days at Heroes Con, I don't think the dealer mentality is there for that, like the too many of the dealers are still in the old school mindset and not like not thinking the way like card dealers do, I guess. like, you know, if if I try to if I walk in with a PSA 10 whatever slab in a card and I want to trade that for something else, like there's just some generally accepted practices of like what's going to happen with that deal of like the percentages that we're going to value stuff at and things like that. or even if I go to try to buy a book or a card, like if if it's selling for this price on eBay or, you know, the card ladder price or market movers price is this, there's like a reasonable expectation of kind of where we're going to meet at and like everyone's on the same page. In comics, I don't always feel that. There's some dealers that are absolutely like, "Oh, yeah, okay, it's going for this. Uh, sure. Like, normally I'm going to get hit with 13% in selling fees. Uh, let's meet somewhere in the middle and call it a day." I I feel like you don't see a lot of comic dealers that work that way. Like they're still stuck in that old school mentality >> of, oh yeah, well, if you want to trade, I'm only going to give you 60% value.
You know what? I'm just like making numbers up, but you guys know how it is.
>> Um, I think that's the biggest thing holding. The other strange thing is is like you'd think like it's just like an old old school mentality with like maybe like a little older collectible, but like I watch a lot of like silver and gold channels and that kind of stuff and they talk about this and it's like like a lot of silver and gold dealers like they like they're just looking at turning stuff over as fast as possible and getting their tiny margin, you know, and they're looking at it about replacement costs. They're not thinking about what they paid, you know? It's like if they overpaid, so be it. They get rid of it and then they try they've got their next deal where they can get something for less and keep moving forward. But comic dealers like on the at least it seems that a lot of cons like a lot of like it's not everybody but a lot of comic dealers they're just like I paid this and you're going to pay more than I paid.
>> I think I think that's the biggest mentality hurdle is comic dealers are I don't know if they're afraid they're unwilling to take a loss on something like they would rather and I remember I I had a good example of this a couple of years ago when I bought my X-Men one.
Um, there was a dealer that had one. I don't remember what the grade. I don't even remember what the price was, but I asked him about it and I was like, "Oh, like, you know, that's in the general grade range that I'm looking for. Where are you at on it?" And he pulled it down and he looked at the sticker and he's like, "This is a dealer that has this set up at a show.
>> I don't even want to tell you the price because I know I'm nowhere close to market."
>> And I'm like, "Well, then why why like why do you even have it out?"
>> Yeah.
>> He's like, "I, you know, I just got to wait. You know, it'll eventually get back to this number. I just got to wait it out." And it's just like and he would had it priced like it was still a COVID book. And in my in the back of my mind, I'm like, well, and I'm going to make up numbers here. Let's say he had it priced at 5K and current market was like 3.5K.
It's like, are you better off to wait for that book to get back to 5K? Maybe if it if if that even ever happens. Or are you better off to just take the 1.5K loss, get three and a halfK in your pocket and then turn that 3 and a halfK over a couple of times and make your 10, 15, 20% with that 3 and a half thousand versus the hopes, dreams, and wishes that the X-Men one gets back to the price point that you needed to get to.
And you needed to actually exceed that if you actually want to make money on it. It's not that it even has to get back to that number. it has to get above that number, you know, if if you're factoring in like your costs. Plus, you're hauling that thing around for months or years. Like, it's like guys, >> I mean, I I just book that I lost like 1,200 bucks on, you know, and it's like, but that's what the price is now. It is what it is.
>> I think I I think there's definitely a few things at hand I'll just add in uh before I transition here. Comic dealers have never heard the term opportunity cost. They just don't understand what that means. Uh, number two, I think comic dealers, and this is just a judgment because a lot of them are, you know, a little bit on the older side, I genuinely think they operated for a long time with asymmetric knowledge and they don't realize how prevalent like GPA has become, eBay sales, whatnot, abilities to buy comics on uh, you know, page like our sponsors that we're going to talk about very soon. But like there's so many more opportunities to find these books and before they used to be like the the you know the big dog who just this is the only place you could find this giant sized X-Men one and then so they are got away with that for a long time. And then the last point comics have only always gone up. So like the guy that's telling you Rob that like oh I'm just going to wait for it to go back up. It's like dude 2021 like this is >> you got to throw those numbers out.
>> Yeah. You got to throw this number out like to totally. And I think that they just a lot of them hadn't ever um accepted that. But maybe as we talk about Heroes Con later on, we'll um you know, we'll talk about maybe they finally come around. But before we do that, I I I just want to transition back to one more aspect to this graded video game thing that I just think is is so interesting. And it's going back to like the big money interest coming in and how in a lot of ways I wonder if the Logan Paul Pikachu Illustrator sale and what he did with it and the marketing behind it completely changed the game, right? I mean, you have these new companies like Treasure Trove coming in that are kind of doing these things. We've talked about Kevin Olirri many times as he's kind of marketed stuff. People are using their platforms and social media to promote their things. And it reminded me of, funny enough, back when graded video games were going crazy, the Wada video games controversy that surrounded some of those sales. And I was looking back at those previous lawsuits and a lot of the language in it was oh uh you know Wada conspired with Heritage to promote the items and they all gain because of the fact that if it sells for more WA charges more for the fair market value of the item and Heritage makes more commission. But like reading back on it, the language I'm just sort of like that sounds so tame now or or it comes off to me as like a well duh. I mean that's what Logan Paul and Golden did. Like that's what Treasure Trove is doing now.
That's what anyone who has graded manga is doing. And I just sort of wonder if like I is the world just so different now and and was it was the that great video game controversy kind of like not really a there there or or have we been like now I don't know we're now drinking the Kool-Aid of how this collectible world works and we're all in the space. I don't know. Do you guys you know where I'm getting at with this? Do you guys think it's interesting? So you're saying like we're at a place now where we instead of looking at the it's weird to call a pump artificial like what marketing isn't artificial right you have to market it because the demand isn't there so that's why advertising exists to create the demand all advertising is artificial until the demand is real right >> and so we come from a place where oh you're pumping that it's dirty and now it's not dirty anymore and it's we're kind of buying into the pump like that >> sentiment bidding is allowed now so >> come on it's in the writing do whatever you want.
>> Normalize defensive bidding.
>> Oh man, that's funny actually. Um >> yeah, I hear what you're saying though.
>> I don't know. I thought that was interesting. Um you did ask Manu uh who the other biders on that Super Mario game were. Um there are some people that came out with it. You know, shout out to Henry over here. Great uh video game collector. He was actually in this game up to $2 million with the buyer premium.
He ended up backing out. And then actually one of the co-founders of Reddit, if you guys know who Alexis O'hanian is, he was one of the co-founders of Reddit. He also u publicly uh tweeted that he was one of the underbiders and actually said, you know, a guy who's worth probably like a billion dollars. He's like, "Yo, I tried to go the distance with this one, but I'm um betting it was a fund or another rich guy who really loves great games."
But it's kind of crazy that like, you know, a a hobbyist like him who's like the co-founder of Reddit, who's like a billionaire, was like, "Ah, I got beat out by a fund, guys. I'm not going to spend $3 million."
>> Dude, this is amazing. Maybe this is the thesis playing out where like uh people that put their their wealth into art and um other sort of historically significant sort of things. Maybe that's for the older generation, right? And the younger generation with money literally the way that we kind of talked about might happen is looking at nostalgia and the things that they grew up with as that sort of thing, right? Like why do we still look at it as kids stuff? We're not kids anymore. We we participate in things that we loved when we were kids.
So it makes our inner child feel alive, but we're not kids anymore. So it is real. It's real money. It's holding real wealth. We're allocating real funds to it. Maybe it is fine art 20 years from now or the same sort of thing and rich people are going to have they're going to make their decisions about how much money how much of their wealth they'll allocate into that class.
But maybe it is actually real and sustainable because if the Reddit guy and some other millionaires are all going after it, yeah, maybe it doesn't have an effect on the uh the the lowerpriced products. Maybe. But maybe they're two completely different worlds.
and that world has now been established where previously it wasn't perhaps, you know, and >> I think that's the I think that's the bullcase argument is is that this is our generation's art.
>> You know what I mean? Whether whatever it is, whether it's comics, video games, cards, whatever. We don't care about paintings. We don't want a painting on the wall, but maybe we want an original art piece from Todd McFarland or maybe we want ASM 300 and a 9.9 or maybe we want a >> PSA 9.6 six sealed Mario.
>> Yeah.
>> Or maybe we want an ultra rare Star Wars toy still in the packaging. Like that's >> that's our Van Go. That's our, you know, whatever insert whatever artist here >> that, you know, you used to see people in the 70s, 80s, and early 90s going after for their display pieces on their walls. We want a ASM15 or a an AF-15 hanging up in our office as a as a talking point, not a random painting.
Like I think that's that's the bullc case if you want to make it. That that's where that's where our headsp space is is that we care more about that type of stuff than a random painting.
>> Yeah. I mean I I do think that that is the case for a lot of people and that's why I'm somebody who actually does believe in the greater video game space.
Um I I do think that you know someone mentioned >> one yet. I know you were bidding before but have you have you uh won anything yet?
>> I got I got I got I got a couple things.
I got a couple things. I'm not ready to talk about it yet, you know, but but but I did >> position first before you talk. You build a position and then you double shift.
>> Arcade flyer all over again.
>> Exactly.
>> Arcade flyer. I secured my position.
That's why I was ready to talk about it.
But >> a position then execute double shill.
>> Exactly. Exactly. Um just other other little things because again allow me to nerd out guys. You know, I think it is funny cuz uh yes, there was a lot of hype in that time with the water of games thing and I think again people got over their skis. There was a lot of people that lost a lot of money. They got burned but that was just because like there was a information gap like nobody knew how many sealed whatevers there were. And yeah, like if Wada was saying this is POP one, I mean, you could say that, hey, they're like they're lying or whatever. Or you could say they're actually just telling you, no, no, it's POP one because we've only graded one, but that doesn't mean that there's only one. So, you know, it depends on how much you want to take them literally. But I did think it was funny uh that, you know, a lot of memes are coming out now. Shout out to High-end Garrett who had this one here.
know, back when that controversy happened, Carl Jo, who's like a huge YouTuber, made that video game scam alert and uh Highen Garrett took his original thumbnail from 2021, crossed out the two million, put in three after the sale, and said, "We need an update on the YouTube video now. Graded video games can't be stopped even by YouTubers." Um, if there are people who have been in the video game market for a long time, this has kind of been their like Super Bowl victory because like they're kind of back here. Uh, there's another post here that I thought was funny. water founder uh water founder Dennis Khan lied to us. Uh Dennis Khan lies about a Mario game being worth 1 million. Actually, if it's worth three million, um I thought that that was pretty funny. So, I don't know, guys.
Grading video games might be back. Could be a real category as far as I could understand, you know, with the other sales that occurred um at that auction.
You know, some highs, some lows, some business as usual. There was a golden auction sale that happened that also did very very well. But um I think that if you're somebody who is into great video games and you believe in it, this is probably like a good place to start to get into it. At least that's my own opinion. But I don't know. Anything else on the story, guys?
>> No, nothing else on >> video games to the moon. I'm all about it.
>> All right. Well, we have lots of other stuff to talk about like the bricks and minifig story, like heroes combo. Before we get there, we got to give a shout out to a new sponsor of the Ungraded Truth YouTube podcast. That of course is Elite Comics 11. If you guys don't know about Elite Comics 11, they are the largest, most trusted communitypowered comic and collectibles consignment page on social media. Do you want to buy or sell comics or collectibles fast and securely? DM Elite Comics 11 on Instagram. They're always buying collections, too. You can check them out. They have live daily sales. They're gonna set up an expo in LA coming up which we'll talk about in a second. But uh we are proud to say that Elite Comics 11 is one of our new show sponsors. Manu, I know that uh you've been using Elite for a long time. I know that you're a fan of them. I mean, why don't you talk a little bit about this relationship here?
>> I I'm actually really excited about this swag and I think you guys know that. Um I I do I do use Elite. Um, Ali is the owner of Elite and and there are a lot of friends that uh also work for Elite and I like communicating with all of the guys there, the whole gang. But this just feels really good to me because I love that they're a sponsor of the show.
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So, uh I I just feel really good about this. I look forward to talking more about Elite. There's a story that I'm going to tell about some really cool books that recently were transacted by Elite and we'll do that at the end of the show cuz it's just a fun story. It's a story I would have told anyway, but having them be uh partners with us, our sponsor. Shout out to Ali. Shout out to Bill over there who you'll see hosting live sales a lot and a lot of other people in the community. So, they started organically on Instagram, grew with the community. They do really well there. And if you're on YouTube and not on Instagram and you haven't checked them out, hop on over there. shoot them a follow. Definitely tell them if you hadn't heard about them before that you heard about them from us. Um I want them to know that uh people are hearing this and and and going and and taking a look and engaging with their platform and stuff and and books of all prices. You know, you could buy a book for a couple hundred bucks. You could buy a book for $100,000. A lot of people sell there.
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>> Uh just a couple other, you know, to reiterate what you said, Instagram account, Elite Comics 11. They are consignment page if you want to do some selling of some books. They're obviously a place where you can buy books. They post stuff every single day as you guys can see. It's it's one of the great places uh to buy comic books. And I always say like I mean if you were somebody who is a comic book buyer, you got to be everywhere, you know? You got to get on Instagram. You got to follow Elite. You got to make sure that you don't miss some of these deals because they always got things like deals of the day, things like this. I mean, I noticed that there was this one comic book and Ryan, I feel like you got to talk a little bit about Elite. And this one, they posted a Tales of Spence 39 first appearance of Iron Man uh in a 10 3700 or 37.99. Um but this one, if you'll notice, >> is a double quote copy. Uh why don't you take it away? Kind of explain this because you recently did a video on this one.
>> Yeah. So I I was I was doing a video talking about uh like you often hear people say that they're hunting for double quote copies and I just wasn't really sure how rare they actually were because I'd always talk about it when I'd see them. It's like oh that's not a double quote. You know, you make some like facicious joke or whatever. And uh so I actually looked at the last 100 sales in a recent video of uh Tales of Suspense 39. And for double quote copies in the last 100 sales, there were only five. And when you when you have double quote and blue under the table, which you see this one doesn't have the blue, but it has a double quote. Uh when double quote and blue, there were only three. And so >> we should quickly explain in case sorry, we should quickly explain just what the double quote is in PE in case people don't know.
>> So it's basically it's how the book was cut. And so what people tend to want is if they if they want like this is when you start getting nitpicky on things, but hey, we're comic collectors. Comic collectors are often kind of nitpicky.
And so you're looking for, you know, that ideal cut book, one that has a good wrap and everything. And so very often that second quote on the outside of Iron Man is partially gone. Sometimes it's completely gone. Sometimes it's cut all the way up to the exclamation point. And so, uh, looking at how many actually have that full double quote, I was surprised how uncommon it actually is.
Like I said, out of 100 sales, only five. So, really about 5% of copies roughly have the double quote. And so, if it is something you're looking for, you know, there's a copy up there. But, yeah, it's just, yeah, like I always hear people talking about it, and I I thought I would just do the work and see how uncommon they actually were. But just uh some other thoughts because I I have also been buying with Elite for I mean probably since 2019 2020. It's been six or seven years since I since I've been uh buying stuff on Elite. And I always tell people because people ask you like oh where do you find some of this stuff like rare? Because you know like I'm a big like golden age collector. I like to buy a lot of like more difficult to find books and like Mickey said like you've got to follow everywhere. And I have found a number of rare or uh tough to find books on Elite.
And I brought one of them here. Uh this is one of my PC books. And this is the uh Black Cat uh number 50 and a 900. And and it's a file copy. And like and this is I bought this on Elite. And so that's why it's like whether you're a a you know like looking for less expensive stuff or more expensive stuff. Like I've seen them sell like I remember during the comic boom I watched them sell a TMNT1 first print 9.8 for like 250 grand you know like I mean I mean big stuff sells on there. So that's what I was saying like like if you're if you aren't on Instagram like Instagram isn't I think like if you're not on there like people still might think it's like oh people are just posting pictures of their food and that kind of stuff. It's like that's not what it is. like Instagram has a very robust comic community and Elite really is the, you know, the top of the top when it comes to like consignment type pages and the stuff that they have and the fact that like I said like that was not a cheap book. That was multiple five figures. Uh and uh and so like you you can be comfortable making large purchases with uh with their platform.
>> Yeah.
>> Well, like you also said, you know, it's not always five figures you got to spend. You know, they got some good deals on some books that man, I mean, look at the journey to Mystery 85. First Loki deal of the day under a thousand.
Rob, I mean, I know you just went to Heroes Con and you bought a lot, but like when I saw this, I was like, dude, that is I cannot believe that this book is under that. That seems like a steal.
>> Yeah, this is actually on my long list of things that I eventually want to get.
Um, you know, I I've bought some stuff for Elite. Some of my X-Men filler books I've purchased from them commenting on like you could get good deals on lower-end stuff. I I would say even if you don't want to buy, they're a good follow just to see like what's going on.
To me, I've always used Elite like as a lititness test for, oh, that book got posted. Oh, that seems like a really good price. Oh, it got gobbled up like within 3 seconds of it getting posted.
That was definitely a really strong price. or, oh, that I thought that was a really good price, but no one's jumped on it yet. Like, it does give you a little bit of a sense for what the market is. I mean, they have 50,000 followers. A lot of people have I remember at one point in time when I was hunting for specific stuff. I had post notifications turned on for them, so I would get uh a notification on the phone as soon as they posted something. Uh, but they are a good market barometer if you're just kind of curious how certain things are moving. when they post something that you're interested in and you think the price is good, look to see how quick someone jumps on that. It kind of tells you a lot about the current market of that book.
>> And and uh like we were saying, like I I was pointing out like some more expensive stuff. And usually the the books that are posted on their page tend to be a little bit higher price point, but they have their live sales all the time. And I bought lots of stuff through their live sales that are basically it's other it typically it's other sellers that are selling through their platform like use utilizing their platform to sell and there's all kinds of ranges of prices like $5 books up to like I said like the $250,000 one that was a live sale. So So there's huge ranges that that happen on those sales.
>> Yeah. Man, I know you want to talk a little bit about this one. Just just give me give me a little quick rundown of of one of your favorite books here.
>> Oh shoot. And this ties into video games. So, in 1994, this video game came out for uh Super Nintendo and Sega Genesis. And for the pre-orderers, the people that pre-ordered the game, this was actually shipped to them in an envelope. I own some of the envelopes.
The envelopes are far more rare than the book itself. And so, they are oftent times really in poor shape because they were shipped to like video game buyers that may or may not have been collecting comic books back in the 90s. And so, they were, you know, just flipped through or whatever. It's like an intro to the Maximum Carnage series. you guys remember, like it was a 14-p part series that spanned the different Spider-Man titles in the mid '90s. And so, uh, this is like, um, a really thin book. It's very delicate. It's awesome. The cover is it's a it's a Bills Kevich cover.
There might be some Bag I don't know if there's a Bagley aspect to the cover.
There might be, but it's said to be it's it's known as a Bills Kevage cover. The interior is done by Bagley. Super difficult and high-grade. Awesome book.
There were some copies though that were not mailed out uh that were actually distributed at certain stores that didn't have to, you know, actually be mailed in an envelope and take all that damage. So, you can find some really high-grade copies that were just given out at stores, but generally they were shipped out to people in this dope envelope uh where the book just sat in flat and was put into the mail. So, it was folded in people's mailboxes and stuff. So, it is a partnership with Acclaim cuz that's who released the video game and and that's what makes it so sick. It's got a video game tie-in.
It's a rare comic book. It's Carnage, Venom, Spidey. It's in Kevage and Bagley. It's my favorite era of nostalgia. Absolutely love this book.
>> That that one it always I always crack with that because it just it looks like clip art. It's like >> Yeah. Right. It does actually though. It does. It does.
>> Like where like where are these guys jumping from the Spidey and Venom? You know, there's a I think there might still only be three 98s signed. There's there's more 98s blue label. There might only be three or four still signed. And I've owned two of them, but one of them I I had submitted to a Sincvage signing.
It came back a 96, but I disagreed with the grade and I later submitted it again to CGC, got the 98 on it, but it's the most beautiful signature. The way Sincvage signed it in this bold white, it looked like Venom and Spidey were surfing the signature. And I sold it for a big premium because of how rare it was and the look of it. But I missed that book dearly and it was just playful because it like it finally gave those two characters a place to stand because they're just kind of floating.
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>> Yeah. Let them know, you know, check out check out what they got. Make us look good, you know. Wingman for us. Um, and we'll talk a little bit more about their expo coming up later in the year. But with that out of the way, we got to get into our next topic, which is going to be about bricks and mini figs, the story that keeps on giving. I mean, we talked about the initial stuff that came out the prior show and just the first two episodes. Since then, there has been so much that has come out. Most notably, the Coffeezilla breakdown of the entire situation where he did a deep dive investigation as he always does uh where he talked to uh the CEO of Bricks and Minifigs. He talked to the previous owners and he really went in to sort of find out like what actually happened to the Legos, like where has the value of this collection actually gone, you know?
And he did a deep dive. We're not going to like break down his entire video. I mean, you guys should just go watch his video in order to get the full story, but I bring it up to sort of give catch you guys up to speed as we dive into the story. Um, you know, it's looking like there's a lot of foul play going on with multiple parties, but mostly on the bricks and minifigs. I mean, they seem like they have dug themselves into a corner. And for doing that, they are kind of trying to put the, you know, the gag order on Reckless Ben where they filed a lawsuit against him where he has a temporary restraining order and was not actually able to post his third video which was due to come out, you know, in the time since we did our last episode. Um, kind of where we stand, you know, it it's looking like, you know, it's in legal land. that there's an update that apparently the previous owners of the Bricks and Minifig location are now putting in their own lawsuit. And you know, I'm I can't speak the legal ease, but from other uh content creator, YouTube lawyers who have broke it down. They say that that lawsuit could unlock Breckless Ben's ability to talk about Bricks and Minig.
So maybe we will be able to one day see his third video episode. But guys, I want to kick it over to you before we kind of talk a little bit uh a different aspect to the storyline. But did you get a chance to watch the new content that came out? Did you get a chance to watch Coffeezilla's uh video? And uh what did you think about the story as it stands now?
>> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I've watched all of it. I watched his full video and everything. I'll say one of the impressive things about Coffeezilla is how open people seem to be with him.
They're just like give him whatever he wants. Like it's it's crazy. Like he's he's going through or not necessarily him. him. It sounded like he said he hired people to to evaluate all of, you know, all the numbers and everything, but like I mean all the financials for this, all the receipts and everything from the store. I mean, and he really did narrow it down to only finding about what was it like 15 or 20,000 in the the actual Star Wars pieces or sets that was missing that couldn't be accounted for.
Now, the other side of it was that the the original owner, Brian, it sounded like he's still missing about like 80 grand in payout. Like, he's he is way behind on what he should have been receiving. They they they've roughly estimated that this collection, like from what Coffeezilla said, is actually probably worth about 107,000. He had a range, I think, of like 85 to 120 somewhere in there. But >> I was before before you go at it just just from a collectible standpoint. I thought that was one of the interesting things because even when I initially watched the story and they were like, "Oh, his collection worth $200,000."
I in the back of my mind was always like, "Is that the real liquid value of these collection?" Cuz as we all know, like a value of a certain collectible is only the value until that sale is realized, you know, and so you don't actually know. And some people kind of hype things up and it's like at auction what is the real floor price? But uh it was it was not surprising to me that the $200,000 evaluation was really more like $100,000. But sorry Ryan, go ahead. I I I digress.
>> Yeah, I mean it was I I definitely recommend watching that. It is on the longer side if I remember correct. It's been maybe a week or so, maybe even two weeks now since I watched that, but it's a little longer, but I do recommend watching it especially if you've been following the the Bricks and Mini Figs story. But I mean the the interesting thing was that yes, it does look like there's definitely some issues on the bricks and minifigures corporate side.
Like they kept changing their numbers for what was missing and the valuations basically to meet the the the needs of their their what the story they were trying to tell at that time. And that really made it so it's like it's hard to trust anything that's coming from them.
But you also have the original store owners who while I I don't really think they did anything wrong from what I can tell other than being kind of crappy at business. Like it seemed like they kept very very poor books and you know just like not really good records of sales like things that sold that were his that didn't end up paying out to him. And I don't think it was anything nefarious.
It's just they just weren't tracking it well. And so that that resulted in problems and it was just yeah it was a lot of mistakes everywhere. Um it I will say like people are still giving it a lot of coverage even though he can't talk about it. And that was one of the things I've been thinking about was I was just like I wonder how much revenue has been generated on YouTube from this story alone. I wonder if it's gotten close to a million dollars. I I bet it has because like when you've got you've got Reckless Ben's channel. he's getting three or four million views. Like those are like 30 to $40,000 videos. Then you've got like that Penguins, I can't remember his exactly like his but then all the legal channels and everything that get hundreds of thousands if not hitting million views and like they're just doing video after video after video because everybody wants to watch them.
They're like if you put out a video on it and you're in that space, they're like instant 200 to 500,000 view videos.
Every one of those is two grand to five grand. And I'm just like wondering like how much money is being generated from this story alone on YouTube. I think it's pretty interesting.
>> The underrated aspect of that too is those aren't 10-minute long videos. Like most of them are like an hour long and you earn way more.
>> Yeah. The legal ones are >> of a longer video than you do like our like you know most of the stuff that we do is 8 to 15 minutes give or take. Like some of those things are like 60 minutes.
>> Yeah.
>> And people are locked in for the full 60 minutes. So >> yeah, >> you have mineral ads running. You're crushing it.
>> Yeah. What did you guys think about the story Rob or Muji? I don't know if you guys a chance to catch up on it, but do you have thoughts?
>> I haven't seen the Coffeezilla one yet.
I haven't had a chance to watch that one. Um I watched the one that you sent us uh earlier today. Uh but yeah, the whole thing is just absolutely craziness. It does feel like it's probably starting to wind down a little bit. People's attention spans are only so long.
>> I I do think that not having Reckless Ben being able to post videos has had the effect they've wanted it to have to some extent. like that has I think slowed it down because everybody was using his content to create more content, right? So, they're kind of like running out of things to leverage to make that additional content.
>> The only problem with that though is that you kind of give it a little bit of a longer tail because that they had to know that that probably wasn't going to be a permanent fix that eventually he was going to be able to talk about it again. And now they've kind of delayed that. So, like they get this little like they got hit with it out of the gate and they continue to get hit with it. And now things have still coming out but like are starting to slow down a little bit and now he's going to put out this part three and it's going to just send it right back to the moon again and you're going to start recycling all that content. Like you you're almost starting the cycle over again by delaying the part three. It almost would have been better off for part three to come out two weeks ago or like a week ago. And by now we kind of probably be in the same place where it's like, oh, okay, like everyone's done their reaction content, everyone's farmed it, and now, you know, okay, on to the next thing, basically.
Whereas now, now the hype is building for this part three that and now we get this tease that maybe it comes >> like that'll probably be the most viewed of the three. Well, and I was just say we've seen that it feels like the corporate side has made the wrong decision like every step of the way. So, it's not really a surprise that maybe that wasn't the best uh the best call. I mean whe whether they have like even if they were in the right on everything just the way that they have PR bundled bundled this whole thing like there's there I don't think that there is a single thing that they could do tomorrow and like magic wand this and just be like guys we gave a million dollars to puppies like we're we're the best company ever. People would still hate their gut. Like I don't think there's literally a single thing that they could do. They could be like, "We donated every Lego in the world to like, you know, kids in hospitals." Like, no one would care. People would still hate them. Like, they're they're so buried.
>> And it does kind of like be stuck in people's heads forever. Like, they're just like >> for sure. And I'm sure there's like some franchise owners that are doing things correctly. I'm sure there's probably some super scummy ones that, you know, we might talk about in a minute. But, you know, it does suck for the people that are kind of caught in the crossfire. Like, some people got into this and they did not sign up for this.
And now all of a sudden, if you're just like a random franchise owner in like I don't know, Ohio and all of a sudden you're getting strays left and right when maybe you're doing everything relatively correctly, it's like what the this is not what I got in this business for.
>> Well, there's like that one in California where they I think they said that like they were getting all these threats and so they're actually closing down for like a week to try to hope stuff dies down a little bit before they they open back up. But I I mean I I've had the stance that I mean yeah it sucks for them but there's no way I'd ever go into any bricks and mini figs like if like because the a percentage of their sales goes to that the corporate entity that's been doing all the bad stuff. So it's like you know >> well well Ryan interesting about that.
So, I think that they did an announcement where they are freezing um any payments that go to corporate at this moment in order to help out the individual mom and pops that own those things. But nobody cares. And to like what you guys are saying, it's like their brand is so ruined at this point.
Like I don't think we've ever seen anything like this. Like it is they like we always make jokes about who's the hobby villain. You know, a little inside baseball for for you guys watching. Like we're always Jake like uh oh it's you know eBay is the hobby villain now or like you know there's always some entity that's like the new hobby villain. Logan Paul's the hobby villain. Bricks and Minigs is not only the hobby villain they are like the hobby super villain.
They are the they are the endgame. This they are the Thanos of collectibles.
Like it's pretty crazy how much they ruin the brand. And I feel like Rob, you're right to the sense that maybe momentum has tapered a little bit, but I feel like if it whether it's a week from now or a month from now, I feel like if Reckless Ben puts out bar three, like this thing I it's like kerosene fire again. Like people will go crazy like because I think people really want to get some result out of this or they want to find out more. And I I do think that this is a story that yes, it's tapered because people can't comment on new information, but I think it has legs. I think it's so interesting and uh we're going to talk a little bit about more about, you know, this other aspect to it. But Manu, let me let me let you in if you just had any other thoughts on uh the Coffeezilla if you caught it or or just some of the other information that's come out since.
>> I'm not I'm not fully caught up, but I did start watching the Coffeezilla. I didn't finish it and I want to I want to be brought totally up to speed. But the same thing you brought up was very interesting to me when he did the analysis on the actual value or he was like comparing the pictures and counting how much money's worth of stuff and what was on the spreadsheets and he was like >> this is not $200,000 worth of stuff. Why are we using this figure? And that's the first time I actually even stopped and thought about it. I was like, "Wait a second." Oh yeah, why did we just agree that it's $200,000? And even um even uh Reckless Ben, like he was like, "Well, that's what they told me." you know, like >> well, I mean, it was it was the original store owner. That's what they used as their promotional announcement.
>> They're like, "It's a $200,000 of Star Wars this collection." Like, that's where it originally came from.
>> Right. Right. And then, yeah. No, I got to watch the rest of the Coffeezilla cuz there was some stuff in there that even started to fall apart for the original store owner, right? Where she was like, "Well, we did say we were going to keep them off site, but they were there the day the store got taken over cuz we moved them off site just to not get robbed. But when the collection was made available for sale, we did bring them back in, but we didn't tell anybody. And so that kind of put a couple of holes in her story. So I need to I need to watch the whole thing to see where where all the chips land. We're not done with the chips landing yet because we got to wait for part three. Whatever happened with the uh the crowdfunded money? Uh >> it's back. They did take it down, but then they brought it back up. They had to remove references to bricks and mini figs. I think they change they took the name out of the actual like description that was in there. It's this whole thing where he's like not allowed to say their name basically. And so like there's all this stuff that that's had to be done.
But yes, they did bring it back up.
>> And that money like like that roughly 300,000 or something that they >> It's almost 500,000 now. It might be over 500 now. I don't know. I haven't looked in >> and that is going to the original family whose collection was first consigned. My understanding is what I think what Ben said is it's going to be put into some kind of trust and it's going to be used to pay him and cover his lawyer fees because Bricks and Minifigs is suing Brian, the guy that had his collection stolen for $1.3 million. He's a million dollar >> he's a codefendant with Ben, you know, like it's just that's that's this whole thing where it's just like they are making all the wrong decisions, you know, suing the guy who is the Saab story in this whole thing.
>> Wow, man. like talk about the bad optics and and it's funny because the CEO who was interviewed with uh Coffeezilla like it's just like read the room like he keeps saying like understandably his point was like um you know hey whatever you think about the situation like please leave the mom and pop bricks and mini figs alone because obviously people have been harassing the stores or like doing all these things and these are individual business owners that have nothing to do with it and he was like giving this impassion speech about like, you know, uh these are good people and you guys are doing all these bad things to him, but it's like, bro, you're the one >> Yeah.
>> that that made this happen. Like like you're the one that's counter suing them for a million dollars. It's just bad optics like overall. And >> I I I don't know. It's just it's completely ruined the brand. Um and I think it's funny because >> the algorithm be doing some things as soon as this uh video uh went crazy. But before before we get into that, I want to comment on one thing because you were mentioning the algorithm. I thought that this was hilarious because I'm curious if since you've been watching a lot of this content too, if you've seen this, >> I have been getting fed so many Bricks and Minigs ads on YouTube and it just it cracks me up. It cracks me up. It's like it's on videos where they're criticizing them and it's like come go to Bricks and Miniigs and I'm like we got to call time out. What is this?
>> You don't you don't pay for YouTube Premium?
>> No, I do not pay for YouTube. I pay for >> What are you doing? How are you living your life?
>> Oh, that's why you pay for premium.
You're not going to see them. But I Yeah, I am getting You're a mad man.
>> Now, now that we're talking about this, I want to take a second here, too.
Sorry, swag, but listen. I don't pay for YouTube Premium either, but YouTube is killing me because now, bro, it's not just an ad anymore. Now, when the ad goes away, that stupid floating thing is up there and you got to hit dismiss on that.
>> It is that I hate the floating thing on the phone. I really hate that.
>> 12, whatever it is, 10, 15 bucks a month. You never have to see it again.
It's great. No, not you are right.
YouTube Premium is what's up. And also, man, YouTube really jacked up the amount of ads that play recently. Like PE sometimes I get the comments >> they changed the back end for us. That's why.
>> Yeah.
>> Well, yeah. But like sometimes, you know, we and I'm sure you guys get it too, like you get the comments where it's like, "Oh, swag, you put too many ads on this thing." It's like, bro, I just hit ads on and then like if you look the like on a live stream, literally YouTube will put like ads like like across the timeline, thousand ads. It's like it's insane.
It's like I didn't put that in. It's like they did with their algorithm. It's crazy.
>> Yeah. Before they used to let us like we had I mean we still can control it to a degree but they override us basically and if you don't give them the option to override it kind of [ __ ] you over to the frust they put in those auto ads and if you remove one it's like oh you don't want any of our ads.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. It's like oh hold on a second we have to review this for 24 hours to see if we like your ad placement or not.
>> Ryan Ryan I have said I hate subscription services. I'm super cheap.
I'm notoriously cheap. Like I have friends passwords for certain things that I use.
>> I'm not I pay for a ton of subscriptions. And I think that's part of the problem is that I pay for so many I'm just like, "Oh my god, I don't want to pay for like I've got HBO, Apple TV, Crunchyroll, Amazon Prime. Uh we've got I don't know, we've got some other ones."
>> So you don't want to just add another 15 bucks if you're already doing >> Netflix, you I mean, I think I have like five or six different things I'm paying for right now, and I'm just like, I don't want to pay for YouTube, too.
>> But what's funny about that is like I genuinely What's funny about that is I genuinely watch YouTube like 10 times more than Netflix. So, it's like, why do I even pay for Netflix? Like, I I should pay for YouTube Premium. Not a sponsor of the show, but >> no, >> YouTube Premium. So, what's up? But u let's kind of let's kind of transition over, you know, speaking of the algorithm stuff. I thought it was really funny because as soon as this bricks and mini figs story popped off, a video from months before the reckless Ben video came out, I think got caught up in the algorithm. And it was actually done by this person here known as MGS Brick, who I think is a Lego content creator to some degree. And he made a video called I Exposed Bricks and Minigs with a $1,000 mini figure. You can see that this video has 1.2 million views. I promise you two months ago this was not at 1.2 billion views. This thing got absolutely just catapulted into the algorithm. Uh but a very interesting experiment that I thought you know we can kind of tie back into a collectible conversation. Uh basically he had the idea of like oh what if I brought a bunch of Legos into my local bricks and mini figs and kind of played it off like I didn't know what I was I didn't know anything about the collection and just said like hey do you guys buy would you guys want to buy these Legos? and he took it to four different stores. And I'll just kind of quickly skip ahead, although I do recommend you guys watch the video. Suffice to say, the offers that he got from the stores were not great. I'll just play a little bit here.
He went to four stores, offer 18% of the value of the collection at one of them, 6% at the value of the collection of another, 19% at one, and then 10% at another. Now, it's a little bit of like a I don't know if you can take it truly fully at face value. Some of the people in their conversation with him were sort of saying like, "Hey man, like well, you know, they they're being trying to be transparent. They're like, listen, we're reselling. We're not going to be able to pay retail. You know, this is all we can offer you." And he had some Legos that were akin to having like a Mark Jeweler news stand to where maybe some of the employees were like didn't recognize why this one was the crazy value. But anyways, I kind of wanted to bring this video up because I thought it would kind of go more into our wheelhouse that is related to the story of like, you know, selling your collections and getting fair market value or like bringing it to a comic book store and having them buy stuff. You know, these stores were offering him less than 20% of value.
Were you guys appalled by that? Is it sort of like, yeah, well then just take it somewhere else. This is why you got to sell it yourself. Like, what did you guys think about this one here? And Manu, you can kind of chime in. I see.
>> I'm sorry. No, I appreciate it. Sorry.
Um, let's not forget one of the stores stole the most valuable figure. Just conveniently stole it. No, no, we'll talk about it. No, no, listen. No, no, I'll say it. We've seen that there have been a lot of legal things.
>> He stole it. He stole it. Out of all of them, out of all of them, I said it. I said it. Out of all of those figures, the one gold shiny gold thousand one is the one that he randomly left in the drawer. The guy comes back in and says, "Dude, I think, you know, was there a gold one?" He looks right where Oh. Oh, yeah. My bad. Oh, plus I think it's fake. And he he tries to cushion the fact that he stole it by by lightning the blow by saying it's fake anyway. Right. And and and and the bigger part of this is not the fact that they offered 6% 18%. Is that they all downplayed knowing the value of some of them. Listen, some people might not have known, but there was a lot of this going on where the guy that brought the items.
And what's interesting about this video being recirculated into the algorithm. I think there's an independent video alone of just taking uh to just going to one store cuz now I remember months ago I watched it with that thousand Lego. I know nothing about Legos, but I remember watching a video just about one store where you brought in a box of Legos and the guy was like, "hm, this one's interesting. I don't know if it's real.
I can't get the legs off, but apparently it's known in the community that the way that it's ched kind of seals it so the legs don't come off, so you can't do these authenticity checks that people do on these Legos. And he was pointing out the reasons why he didn't believe they might be real, showing comparisons on the internet to things that weren't the same one, and then offered him like 50 bucks for everything, which was like $700 worth of Legos, and then said, "I'll give you another 50. I'll take a flyer on this one. It might be fake."
But I have a feeling that he knew it wasn't fake. he's trying to buy $1,000 piece for 50 bucks. So, yes, they offered low, but there was a lot of playing dumb because the individual that brought the collection in led with, you know, fishing for this sort of response from people to see who's a liar and who's a, you know, immoral or whatever.
Led with, I don't really know nothing about Legos. I found this underneath the bed. Will you give me some money for it?
giving these people the opportunity to be unethical, thinking that they had a chance to steal comics from, you know, uh, steal the Legos from someone that doesn't know and set them up. And a lot of them, it seems like, fell right into the trap. Now, the guy says this does not represent all Bricks and Minifigs locations, but Bricks and Minigs locations aren't governed by some, you know, they're they're just people that own franchises, and if they're unethical and dishonest, they're going to try to take advantage. And I know how we're going to connect this conversation into going into a local LCS and so on and so forth. And I want to hear all of that cuz I agree. But one store definitely stole the most valuable thing and hope no one noticed allegedly.
>> I mean I I Yeah.
>> This guy. This guy.
>> Rob. Rob. Well, okay. Rob, what do what do you think or response to man or the whole thing?
>> Uh I think the interesting experiment would be to repeat this in other collectible categories. you know, do do you if if someone had like a a couple beat up or like decently shaped raw, you know, keys, walk them around to Comic-Con and and record, you know, on the on the download. Record the interactions that you get with various dealers on like how they kind of pitch it to you, like how straight up are they with you. You have to kind of have something a little bit obscure, maybe like you couldn't just walk in with like an ASM 300. I guess you could play super dumb about it, but maybe you have something that's like a little bit niche or like maybe you have like a Mark Jewelers Raw that like you don't even really you just play like you don't Hey, I found these under the thing like these were my uncles or whatever. He handed them down to us. So, you're you're playing like you wouldn't even know what a Mark Jewelers is or what a news stand is or something like that and walk it around a Comic Con and see what sort of Do you think you would get a similar reaction? Do you think you would get similar values if you did repeated this experiment at a at a Comic-Con?
>> I think we should do it. Someone in the chat said we should do it.
>> The the tough like for me like the tough part with these is that I I feel like I'm I'm pretty knowledgeable on comics. Like I I I know a fair amount about a lot of different eras of comics, but there are definitely like some of those very specific things that that I might not be aware of. Like I know that there are certain Whitman variants that are worth like hundreds or thousands of dollars, but I could not tell you which ones they are. And when with what this what what he was bringing in, it was like, oh, this is a variant of Bane, you know, that has like a little different like drawing on him versus this other one, you know, and and I'm just like, how much do I really expect that store owner to be able to recognize that? and how much like but the I guess the question is how much work and and this is where I don't know enough about bricks and minifig like what they're what level of effort they're supposed to put in when they are evaluating because if they are supposed to like look at every single piece do it like some type of image capture or something that does a compare if they're supposed to do all that then they should catch all that stuff but if you're supposed to be like going through quick like for any of us that have bought a collection you know like if you're going through stuff quick like you're trying to get a rough idea evaluation and I'm not >> checking to see that there's like a mark jewelers in this one random book. I'm not opening every book and opening everything to look at it all. And so that's definitely where it gets a little tricky. Um, but the, you know, like I I think the the challenge with with this video specifically is that Bricks and Minifig says they pay 40 to 50%. Like on their site they say they pay 40 to 50%. They don't they it's not like they don't give a promise and like then it's just like ah you get what you get, you Like there's no LCS that's coming out and being like, "Oh, we pay this." Like they're going to just like evaluate and they're going to get throw a number at you. But Bricks Minig says 40 to 50%.
And none of those got even close to that number. And so that I think that's the bigger sticking point to me with bricks and minifigs is that there's an expectation that they are actually going to be giving you that value. And even when he like he he led them, you know, to get a couple of those as like he's like, "Oh, is are you sure this isn't the variant?" You know, like and they're like, "Oh, it is." And then they're like, "Oh, this one is too." And I think they actually didn't realize that they were. And so, but then they're like, "And we'll give you this amount." Which still wasn't 40 to 50%. It was they're like, "It's worth $300. We'll give you $100 in trade." You know, it's like that's that's not even close, you know?
And so, I think that's the the problem I saw with it was that they were not following the guidelines that they say they're supposed to follow.
>> Yeah. It's I did not know that those were the guidelines. And yeah, maybe having a control group in this experiment would have been good. Like if he went to a hobby store that wasn't bricks and mini figs and just saw what they offered, that would be kind of an interesting thing cuz, you know, when I saw this video, it was sort of like, yeah, it doesn't necessarily surprise me that LCS's would lowball and stuff or LGS, I guess, in this instance. Um, it's also another thing too where sometimes at these comic book shops and maybe you guys have had this experience like >> I kind of feel like I know more than like 99% of the employees there. Like sometimes the employees are just employees like they don't know all these things like and so I'm not sure that all the people that were consulting with him are like the main store owner or like the main buyer. And it kind of gets into that like weird territory of like is it are they responsible to be like a guru like you know what I mean? Like, can you really expect, you know, this kind of gets into the conversation when there's like like whatnot sellers that might say, "Hey, this broker is worth $100, but they might genuinely think that." And like, you know, it's like do you expect them to always have all the answers and like what what uh what onus is on you to have that information? Um, >> but at the same time, I don't like bricks and mini figs, so you know, they're all scammers. So >> yeah, I I mean >> Oh, sorry. Go ahead.
>> No, no, please, please. I I I wrote a note.
>> I I was just gonna say like like one example, there's a book I talked about recently in a video. Uh it's like Amazing Spider-Man 184, which is I think the all detergent variant. And it's like it's a book like that that in high grade, that book is worth thousands of dollars, whereas an Amazing Spider-Man 184 in high grade is worth like 50 bucks. And so like it's being able to spot that one specific thing. and you like I bet you 90% of comic collectors don't know what that book is and don't know how to spot it, you know? And so it's like it's stuff like that where it's like yeah I mean you have some expectations when somebody's like a a dealer or whatever but I think even one of the people he was talking to is like there are so many variants of these things out there like expecting somebody to have like all like 100,000 and I know there are some comic collectors that do but like expecting somebody to have like all of that in your head is is a big reach. I think I you're right about that. I think, you know, with all the variance in in different things in collectibles, right, that's why it's nice to go to someone that's a that has a focus on their particular niche or is an expert in one thing and you can kind of get uh guidance from them cuz yeah, who's going to know everything about everything, right? But back to to piggyback of off of what Swag said, like do we expect an employee at a store to know everything about everything? No. But I think the um the larger point is and this is unfortunate to say it's it's more just about um human behavior or whatever uh different sorts of characters out there is never go somewhere and expect here's here's the thing. You just can't trust people. That's what it boils down to. If you have something and you want to know what's it worth and you think someone's going to pay you fairly for it, you already screwed up. Like that was already the mistake. Like you had faith in human beings. Yes, there are good people out there that are going to do the right thing. They're going to do right by you. And Ryan, you and I, we can tell the story about Mark Jewelers.
Will that I bought a lot of those Mark jewelers from, you had a conversation with him as well. He wanted to sell his longtime childhood collection of Mark Jewelers from a military base that his father used to be at in in Europe. And he used to be there as well. And he had all these high-grade Mark jewelers. And he went to a comic book store in Florida. Ryan, I don't remember the store's name. If you remember, we could shout them out.
>> I don't know. Off hand. No.
>> No, it's all right. There's a po You got a video about it. There's a post on my Instagram about it. It It talks about it. But Will took his entire collection to the shop and that shop owner said, "You know, these are all marked jewelers and these are worth way more than the equivalent book, not Mark jewelers. You should not sell these raw. Not to me, not to anyone. You should pick out the high-grade ones. I'll help you find someone to press them. You should press them and you should maximize your value." you and that's what he did. That is someone stepping into the right shop and having someone that had the decency to tell you that. But to expect that or to trust that you're going to randomly stumble into that scenario, you make the mistake, right? Like the guy that made this video was fishing for this outcome.
That's why he set it up that way. But unfortunately in life, people do take their box of collectibles somewhere and hope someone's going to tell them the truth. I don't know if it's nine out of 10en times, but majority of the time the person on the other side of the table is going to realize if you don't know and they're going to start, you know, lighting up with opportunity about how little they can pay and how much they can make. The mistake, the onus is on the person that owns the stuff to know about the stuff. Not everyone knows. Not everyone's going to put in the time to research, but if you're not going to do that, you're giving up your edge and you're opening yourself up to be stolen from. And that's the actual moral of the story. Not can you trust a bricks and mini figs employee, it's why do you think you can walk into something in this world and get treated fairly or honestly? That's not how the world works.
I I I think an interesting side takeaway here is um you know if you have whatever you have whether it's mini figs, comics, cards, whatever you really I think the this kind of leads into the importance of documenting what you have because at some point in time someone is pro it's probably going to end up in someone's hands in your family that doesn't know what it is.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> If if you don't and maybe maybe your your plan is is to move off of it before it gets to that point. But listen, you know, sometimes, you know, life gets in the way and that doesn't happen. And it's, you know, if your significant other, your kids, your nieces, whatever it is that you have where where your stuff potentially is going to end up, I think it's important to make sure that you have something laid out that kind of explains like, "Hey man, these sealed cardboard boxes that I have have stop tape on them for a reason. You don't just want to cut those open." Or, >> "Let's see what's in this box."
>> Yeah. I I have this rare thing that's super obscure like FYI, this is what this is or you know, whatever the case might be. Uh you know, in cards, comics, and some of the other categories, that's where grading becomes a little bit more important to have your collection graded because it makes it cleaner. Maybe not, maybe not for you. Maybe you know what it is, but it makes it easier for whoever's hands it ends up in to know that, oh, this Spider-Man uh ASM300 is a 99 or or a news stand rather because the barcodes on there where a raw copy of that book ends up in your niec's hands, they might not have any idea what the hell that means.
>> Uh to Manu's point about the Mark Jewelers, same thing. You know, if you have those raw laying around and they end up in your your kids' hands or your grandkids hands or your wife's hands and they're trying to figure out what the hell this is, it does make their life a lot easier on that stuff to some degree to know what it is. But if you don't want to do that, at least have some sort of plan, whether it's I mean, it's 2026.
You can record a video super easily on your phone and just save it to your hard drive or or just put it somewhere to just document like, hey, I have these things. This is why these are important.
Don't just throw these out at the garage sale.
>> Rob, what are you talking about? Okay.
Comics are meant to be read, not intombed. Mark jewelers are meant to be ordered from when you need diamonds.
Everybody knows this.
>> Tear them out. They shouldn't even be >> tear them out. Tear them out, guys.
Well, shout out once again to MGS Brick.
He made a good video. if you guys want to go check it out. It's a really interesting uh watch and I think it brings up a lot of interesting conversations with consignments. But yes, to your point, I mean, call us the double shill, but you know, >> the interesting thing though, he had a followup. He had a follow-up to that where bricks and mini figs reached out to him and he read the legal all the legal ease that was sent to him, which were basically threats uh about >> they were they were nice threats though.
>> They were nice threats. Yeah. Oh, we'd like for you to interview everyone and you you know, it would be really nice.
You should mention again cuz he cuz I guess he's in he just had graduated high school and I think he's in maybe college now. And when this whole thing came out, I guess he posted a short and he was like, "Ah, Reckless Ben, we should do a collaboration, you know, and it's going to be it's going to be peak." They did not like that at all. They reached out to him. They're like, "We saw your thing where you said you would make peak content with Reckless Ben. we highly suggest you not do this or you are going to be potentially become a you know some a person in this lawsuit. We currently are not focused on you but we could be you know and it's like all these like little like not even veiled threats you know and you're just like oh god like these guys are just going after everybody now >> it was smart of that kid to just back off of that you just graduated from high school you don't need that kind of smoke.
>> Yeah. Well, everyone that goes and watches the video, let us know if that last shop stole that gold thing or if that was an honest mistake. I want your opinion.
>> Oh, man.
>> Only one person on the channel said the sword in regard to that gold minifig. I just want >> allegedly >> allegedly actually does not protect you having spoken to, you know, legal.
>> Listen, listen. I I'm I'm watching all these YouTube lawyers, okay? There's we we're going to make connections over here if we ever get into trouble. And that's the one good thing about the internet is that you can reach out to >> have less go on speed though.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Uh well, interesting Bricks and Minifig story. Uh that company seems to be very very petty when it comes to people making content much like friend of the channel Rob Lifeeld who also uh kind of brought a little bit of a controversy into uh automatic comic space here. But uh check out this story guys. So, Rob Lifeeld, who obviously famously legendary creator, created Deadpool, uh worked on New Mutants for years, um who's been making a podcast and a lot of great content, did a reaction video to Mark Wade, another uh legendary comic creator who was on a comic podcast, talking about, you know, how the people that say that comic books today or comic books 20 years ago are worse than comic books today are dinosaurs and they don't know what they're talking about and these people are fools and basically implying that comic books are much better today.
And Rob Lifefeld said that that was the stupidest take he's ever heard in his life. You know, you don't know [ __ ] right there. Mark Wade, this is a horrible take. Don't get fooled by this crop. Top tier classic runs endure for a reason. They are to be admired and studied in the hopes of generating works that aspire to match or exceed them. Uh Ryan was having a little bit of fun with Rob Lifeel's impassioned speech right here. and just posted the classic Simpsons meme of the old man yelling at the cloud. Uh, and Ryan, apparently I have reached the badge of honor of being blocked by Rob Lifeeld. Definitely has the thinnest skin of the game. Ryan, were you shocked? Welcome to the club, I guess.
>> I was not shocked. I I've heard it is fairly easy to get this honor of being blocked by Rob Bl. I mean like because he's in a bunch of Facebook groups too and apparently he's like if anybody says anything that is even like remotely viewed as criticism like he is immediately blocks. Um, but uh I just thought it was funny because like Mark Wade, I think he actually quoted the the uh this the Shake Kane he said like Shake Kane at Cloud, like old man at Cloud. And so I was like, "Ah, that's pretty funny." Like I'll use the Abe Simpson one. And um and like so I saw that, I posted it to you guys and I was like, I'm going to be blocked probably from this. And then literally within I mean it was like minutes like half hour at most I was like I can't see that post anymore. I was like I've been blocked.
So, like, oh god, like it's just it's funny because like I mean there's another YouTuber uh Longbox Love Affair.
I've mentioned him in the the comments too. Like he had he had gotten I think it was either like a remark or something from Rob Lifeld and it was he didn't it wasn't good and he had reached out to see if there's something that could be done about him and Rob Lifeel just blocked him. It's just like it's so easy to get blocked by it's like I don't know he is he he's very sensitive it seems to any type of perceived criticism but uh you know when you drop Captain America the way you do you know I guess uh comes with a >> Yeah. Yeah. Well the channel at some point you know to make >> sure I understand this correctly that the take his take is basically like the old shit's better than the new [ __ ] right because I I didn't have a chance to watch this.
>> Yeah. Yeah correct you know. So Mark Wade is saying that, you know, nowadays people keep complaining that new comic books are terrible, but actually there's a lot of them that are good and, you know, a lot of the old stuff sucked. And Rob Lifel obviously very impassionate about that, saying that new comic books are trash and the old ones are classics.
>> I mean, I I keep rereading the same X-Men and Spider-Man runs like my entire life for a reason, I guess. So maybe maybe I'm on team Rob here.
>> Yeah. Yeah, we might be on team Rob, but I mean I don't know. I mean, when you got new creations like this, ASM1 1000 by John Ramita Jr., I mean, >> it's kind of a funny thing. Is this uh >> mean that old comic books by John Ramita Jr. were actually bad because this is his artwork, or is this like, you know, him being cursed by new comic books? Uh, transitioning the story a little bit here to uh the ASM 1000. We never really talked about this, but uh I kind of wanted to get your guys' takes. I know you guys are not like super into like new comics and stuff, but I feel like this is something we should talk about.
>> I mean, it must have been in I for some reason I thought we'd talked about this, but yeah, it's like it is uh >> it's not great >> flag for us to talk about, but we didn't get to it on the last show.
>> It's Yeah, it's not it's not great. Um it doesn't feel like it's good enough for the thousandth issue.
It's not what I I don't know what I would want, but it's not that.
>> Don't you just look at that and see him saying the I don't know thing? Like that's all it looks like? Like how do you not look at that and just see I don't know like what is everybody's been doing saying that. Yeah.
>> How didn't they 90s holograph the [ __ ] out of this issue? Like what are we even doing? Like we used to really do stuff in this country.
>> I know.
>> I want to see I want to see some of the diecut stuff like the Wolverine claws, you know, from back in the 90s. Like I want to see some stuff like that.
>> I want some holograph like >> Yeah. It's JRJR. Well, >> I mean I want the X-Men 300 cover but the Spider-Man version of that.
I agree. I mean, so anyways, to kind of recap the story, maybe you guys saw I did some video content about this. This was the ASM 1000 cover. When this was initially released by JRJR, I mean, obviously the internet just went all over. Like they just trashed this thing.
And obviously, it's, you know, for good reason. It's not his best work. uh to where Marvel uh announced more recently I think they heard the feedback that they're going to be doing a ho cover a obviously to this being issue number 1000 landmark issue they're going to have like a billion variant covers >> they might have a thousand they might have a thousand variant covers for issue 1000 >> probably probably but but that one JR one was going to be the cover a now they're doing a co- cover a this one by Pepe Larazz who also incidentally has a variant but this is also the one that came out I mean cool artwork for like regular Spider-Man cover, but like I don't know. It just this doesn't feel a thousand worthy. I don't know how you guys feel about this.
>> That's the thing. I feel like it's one of those things where it's like you know it when you see it and and I haven't seen it yet, you know, like what I would expect for for a thousand cover.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Yeah. It's it's interesting stuff.
I mean, I want to pull up this other post. Shout out to Key Collector Comics for making some of these carousels here.
Let me see if I can actually find, you know, a little thing that we might enjoy discussing.
>> And shout out Comic Tom. I see you.
>> Shout out to Comic Tom.
>> Yeah, >> we're we're big fans of of Comic Tom over here. Um I can't find it. Oh well.
Well, I was gonna I was going to pull up all the various uh you know, landmark uh covers to talk about them. But yeah, interesting stuff. I mean, the conversation of new comics versus old comics. You know, we got great comics like uh Dr. are doing blind bags, you know, that are obviously fun to always open up. But I don't know.
I I I I have a little bit of opinion on it. I just wanted to kind of get it out with with what Rob is saying. I kind of understand the spirit of what he was saying. I understand the spirit of what Mark Wade was saying. But the truth is is like there are a lot of really good new comic books. It's just that there's also a million new comic books, like more comic books than ever. So everything's kind of diluted and it's like harder to find really good stuff.
And then also like all media has been diluted because of the internet. Like movies aren't as important as they used to be. TV shows are not as important.
>> I mean like streaming is crazy. It's like it's like trying to like there's so much stuff and and so it's like I feel like you end up like you start trying things and you're like if if it's not good within an episode or two, you're just like bl like you move on because there's too much. Like for example, watch Widows Bay. If you're out there and you're not watching that, it's on Apple TV. It's freaking awesome. If you like horror, you're gonna you're gonna like it. It's good. But yeah, like there's it's just it's tough like with with the volume that you have to parse through uh today because there's but I mean there's good comics in every era.
That's I think that's more the takeaway that it should be. It's like there's going to be junk today just like there was junk in the 90s and 80s and 70s. Um but there's also good stuff in all those too.
>> Yeah.
Well, speaking of good comics, there's always time to buy some good comics like you did, Rob, as you went to Heroes Con this past weekend. Shout out to Philillip, otherwise known as Vintage Comics and Toys. I brought up his post because I thought it was kind of relevant maybe to our conversation here where he was uh you know doing the Heroes Con thing and uh he made a little video talking about how um most of the comic book vendors are charging much fairer prices than last year. So he had a really good experience over at Heroes feeling like um comic books are back or at least uh vendor pricing is back. And I would say that Rob, that's probably, you know, at least from your experience, partially true because you ended up picking up some big boy books. I got it actually pulled up. I don't know if you want to go grab the one behind you, but uh >> that's probably it's probably easier just to pull up my Instagram page that has the two images.
>> Oh, I got them right here for you, but >> uh I will say on that on that video that you just had up, there's a Lego mini fig table behind him when that video first starts. And those are the by far and away the most popular tables at the comic cons by a mile.
>> Wow.
>> Wait, really?
>> Yeah. Start go right to the beginning of that video. I don't know if you could rewind or you got to >> Let's see.
>> Right there.
>> These ones right here.
>> Yes.
>> Oh my goodness.
>> Yeah. You bought six for uh what is it?
Uh six for 20 bucks and you just fill up a little Ziploc bag. I can't >> I thought I thought Heroes was only comics.
>> No. Well, you know, >> I thought that was the whole >> I thought it was like their whole thing.
Yeah. It was like it was only comics.
>> Wait, it's a majority of comics.
>> So, my my my joke coming to you before I was like, "Oh, they should start selling Pokemon cards." Well, I guess they should sell.
>> I want One Piece cards there. I got great deals on One Piece cards.
>> Really? Wait a minute. This is This is Hey, breaking news, guys. This is a aspect because let let me set this up proper so we can have like an official clip.
>> I actually have a really funny comment from a dealer about this. I don't know where you're going with it, but I have I I think I know where you're going with it. Go ahead.
>> Well, I'll I'll tee you up. You know, for years, everybody has said that Heroes Con is the true Comic Book Con in the country. You know, obviously New York Comic- Con, San Diego Comic- Con, they get the headlines, they get the fanfare, but if you love comics, you love buying, you got to go to Heroes Con cuz it's all comics, you know, all business, no cosplay, no other bells and whistles. That's where you go if you're a real comic book fan. Rob, you went there. Are you telling me that's no longer the case?
>> I mean, it they have the highest percentage of dealer tables per square foot by far. Like, it's not even close.
But I I'll give you a perfect example.
There might be one, maybe two fully uh pop vendors in the building. Like, how many comic cons do you go to that there's only one or two pop vendors in the building of of this size? Uh the the comment where I was going with that was I I talked to this guy had basically half his setup was comic books and the other half was Pokemon and One Piece. And I bought some One Piece cards off of him. We were just kind of going back and forth and I was like, "Oh, you brought a lot of Pokemon." And he's like, "I gotta be honest with you, I'm crushing it on the Pokemon side compared to the comic book side." He's like, "I've sold so much more Pokemon." He's like, "I'm killing it over here compared to the comic books that I brought." I need like pretty heroes shouldn't have let it in cuz it's it's just going to keep going from there.
>> Slippery slope, >> you know. Shout out to Eggplant who says, you know, Heroes is 10% fluff.
Other cons are 80% fluff. But but this kind of is the point.
>> A very accurate comment.
>> But but but carry on, Rob, because this is kind of the point though, like you know, once you get the taste, then it's like >> it's always been like that though. I I this is my fourth Heroes Con. was not there last year, but I I would say that 10 to 80 is probably, you know, a fairly accurate like it's been like that for a while. It's never 100% pure just all comic book vendors, but the percentage of comic book vendors is higher there than any like compared to like New York Comic- Con, it's not even close. Like especially when you're talking about the size of the building. Like it's not it's not even not even close. Remind me when we're at New York Comic- Con. I'll take you past the Lego mini fig booth. I think I have footage of it in my video of people stacked like 12 people deep basically fighting to get to the Lego mini fig table.
>> That is incredible. Um >> uh yeah, so um pricing um pricing was better than I have seen. Like I said, I wasn't there last year, but like right after the COVID boom, I kind of talked about it with the X-Men one. That was in 2024, I think, when I bought that book. And people were still pricing stuff COVID levels. That was not the case this time around. And I had a very narrow, you know, we'll talk about the AF15 really quick. That was the main goal walking into the show. So, the first thing that I did Friday morning was speedrun the entire show floor to find every lowgrade one in the building that I could. So, I had a good basis of like what was in the room to decide if I wanted to go after one or not. And I think I, you know, you guys were in the I was in the group chat with you guys for a lot of this experience. Pretty much everyone that I saw sticker-wise was about 10 to 15% over where it would be GPA wise, maybe even upwards of 20%.
And you know, you could be critical of that, but at least that's like I I always go with is your sticker price at least in the realm that I can negotiate off of, or are you so far out in left field that it's not even worth my time?
You know, like if if if an AF-15 in a in a 18 comps for 15K and you have it stickered for 22, like I'm not even going to waste our time talking about it because we're not we're not even in the same place if you're that far off. If you're a couple of grand over, okay, like now we can have a conversation. Uh and they give a little bit of backstory on the the copy that you had up there that I purchased that was stickered at 18 and I bought it for 15.
>> So, and 15 to 16 is about like if you look at GPA on a 1.8 8. It's pretty much right between 15 and 16K, give or take.
And obviously, when you get to a low grade, the presentation can vary a lot.
Uh, I talked about it in the vlog that I did. There was three 1.8s in the room.
The other all three were priced about the same, and the other two looked way worse than this one did.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. I think you I think you landed a really nice 18. I mean, this is Yeah.
Congratulations. This is a big awesome purchase.
>> Yeah. Yeah, it is a detached cover, but I think that actually helps the presentation on it to be quite honest.
>> Well, and it's like there's another one we talked about too that that looked nice and it was almost a split spine, you know? It's like that's usually how you're going to get those those nicer >> looking low grades. It's it's usually a spine issue one way or the other.
>> I love that you got that, man. Congrats.
And uh so some backend on the per like the the the the purpose of this and we we kind of talked about it earlier like comics have not gone crazy yet. Like when I looked into this I was like this book literally has not moved. It it has sold for if you look at the GPA average price of a 18 it's basically 15K for the last three years. Like if you look at the 20 like the 12-month average of each year it hasn't moved at all. And part of the reason I wanted to do this now was I didn't I didn't want to take the chance that I missed the window. Like if comic books go crazy or even if it's just select books go crazy. This is one that's on that short list. And maybe it never maybe it's 15k for the next six years it never moves. But of anything has a chance this is on that short list of books to go nuts on. And the execution of this was I, you know, moved off of a bunch of sealed Pokemon that I had that was, you know, the the chart went like this on. So, you know, I use that as the the offload strategy of, okay, this this part of the collection has gone absolutely crazy. Let me cash out some of this and go after something that I actually want to own that, you know, maybe has less up. This probably has less upside than Sealed Pokemon, as crazy as that sounds, but it also has probably the way more stable floor.
>> I want to ask you a question.
>> From a flip perspective, I am, you know, I paid 15K for this. I looked at the spreadsheets. I am quote unquote into this for like 7K.
>> And and that's that's my question, right? Are you going to compound the profit if this in a 1.8 say hits uh 26K, 25K? Are you going to sell and continue rolling your initial capital into profit or are you just going to be happy that you bought it for, you know, 30% or 40% less than what it goes to if it starts to move in in in the next few years?
Let's say a year and a half from now.
This is 25K. Do you sell?
>> No, this was not bought this was bought as a collection piece, not a I'm going to just I want to make X number of dollars on this transaction. I mean obviously at some point we all end up selling whether it's us or you know whatever but this this would be far down the list of collect like I have a lot of collectibles that I could sell if I need money for like life happens this would be far down on the list now obviously you know [ __ ] happens in real life yeah if I have to sell it I have to sell it because real life gets in the way that's all well and good but I'm sure there's a number that this could go to that maybe I look at it and like all right like you know we got to let this thing go. But on the flip side, this is this is one of those items that this this is not this is well above the amount that I typically spend on stuff when it comes to collectibles. Usually, I like to stay 5K or less. I just generally don't like messing with high-end stuff. And the opportunity was there. You know, I I put the money into the sealed Pokemon. The market got hotter and faster than I thought that it would. So, it allowed me to execute the plan way like this was always the endgame with the sealed Pokemon. It was to turn it into something that I actually want to own.
And I had a short list. There was this a Black Lotus and a LeBron rookie refrator of three Grail items that I would not typically spend that kind of money on and this was the one that presented the best opportunity in market timing in my opinion. So, I went after this one.
>> Beautifully done, man. Beautifully done.
>> Well said. I mean, you're doing the thing that most people don't do, which is to sell high and buy low. You know, you're supposed to do the opposite.
That's what I've learned in collectibles is hold on to your Pokemon until it goes to zero and then buy the A15 when it gets hot. But, I don't know. You're just uh bucking the trend here. Bucking the trend. But you also uh ended up picking this one.
>> Yeah, I was gonna say if we want to talk about that one real quick. This goes to the con pricing. You know, I I picked up that 8.5 and this was part of I came in quote unquote under budget on the AF-15.
So then it turned into, well, what else can I get while I'm here?
>> Yeah. You can't can't go home with money. You have to >> Well, in the back of my mind, I have Fanatics Fest in the National coming.
So, part of me is like, do I just walk out of here with the money because it's not like I'm not going to have opportunities to spend it. Uh, but I specifically set aside money for Heroes Con and I had money left over and I was like, well, I've always wanted a 129.
Uh, and I think it was uh, Race City Comics had this who I've actually bought quite a bit of stuff from at Heroes. I think I've bought a book from him almost every Heroes Con. Uh, but this one, you know, recent sales are around 2500ish in an 85. I'm sure it's got a little pump because I guess I bought this pre-lash trailer. Um, but he had it stickered for 23, which was like already a fairly solid price. And then I asked to look at it when he handed it to me.
He was like, "I'll do 2K on it if you want it for 2K." And it was the end of the day on Friday. And I was like, "All right, well, Con's about to close. Let me kind of formulate a battle plan with what I want to do here." And then I went, you know, first thing Saturday morning, I'm like, "All right, I'm going for it." And it was one of those things where you're like walking to the booth and you're like, I'm going to be really pissed if that book happened to sell like before the show floor opened or during the VIP hour or whatever. It went from like, ah, I kind of want it to you're you're on that last hundred yards and you're like, I'm going to be so pissed if this isn't on the shelf anymore.
>> Yeah. Well, congratulations. I mean, big books. You know, it's funny as you talk cuz I I I just realized that it's got the custom labels on it, both of the books, >> and it it brought me back as I was looking at Medu and Ryan, just thinking about the reholder gate situation.
Remember how like the loophole was the custom label? And for a while, you know, we were all having those conversations of like, oh, I don't want to touch custom labels. That would be the books that I'd be, do you really want to know situation with? Um, we haven't talked about it in a while. Like, do you guys still feel any of that inkling nowadays or >> Nobody fine.
>> Nobody cares anymore.
>> I won't pay a premium for it, but I think it's cool if it's on there.
>> Yeah.
>> I don't think that scared of custom labels.
>> It It's the same as like the uh there were like people that were afraid of like certain numbers when they had the bend the bends in them, the banana bends. And like nobody cares anymore.
Like I know there's some people that do, but like the vast majority just don't care.
It's everyone's on to mini figs. So, >> I I I do want to know one one quick thing on the AF-15, which goes back to kind of what we were talking about with the dealer stuff with like there's so much information available to us now.
It's kind of like what are we really doing? And I want to preface this by the dealer that I bought it from was great to work with, but you know, he he kept trying to quote like, and if you have a safe search for this, you know, there has been like this one seller that has zero feedback that's been like posting an AF-15 once a week and then it like bids super low because everyone knows that it's not legit. and he kept going back to like, oh, this one this one thing keeps drawing like pulling down the number because he really wanted to, like I said, he had an 18k sticker on it. And I like my argument was I pulled up GPA and looked and I'm just like, listen, like I get it. Like it's an AF-15, but at no point in the last three years has one of these sold for 18K. So like what is like what are we really doing with this number? Like it's not it's not a I get that's your asking point. Cool. But like what are we really like this number is not real. Like this book has not sold for 18k since like 2022, 2021. So like that's not like I get like the one sale might pull down the average like 500 bucks, but it's not pulling it down from 18K to to 15K, you know?
>> Yeah, that's a good point. What What was his reaction when you were kind of making that? I mean, obviously he ended >> like he was cool about it.
>> Yeah, >> he he was very cool about and yeah, I talked about this in the vlog and like I said, I don't know if this guy was playing 3D chess with me or not, but you know, I I talked to him and he said, "Are you interested in that?" I said, "Yeah, I'm very interested. I'm looking for like a 18." And he's like, "Well, if you don't like this one, my buddy has two 18s." And, you know, I'm in front of this guy looking to do like, you know, a 15 to 16k deal. And he's like, I'm he's like I was like, "Oh, I didn't see those." And he's like, "Well, I'll walk you over there right now." And the dealer literally walked grabbed me and walked me halfway across the building to his buddy's booth to show me his buddy's two AF-15s. So, like for the dealer to potentially give up a 15K sale, I thought was, you know, like he's walking me from his table to another table to show to see like the same exact book.
Now, in hindsight, I thought about it a little bit more and made where I went to the 3D chess angle of it was did he know like his book presented way better than those two >> and they were all the same price.
>> The other dealer was at 17.5K sticker on both his copies and they both in my opinion look worse for different reasons. One had a huge tear on the spine, like not even on the spine, like to the little bit right of the spine.
And the other one had a huge corner out of the top right corner was just missing from the front cover. So it's like there's no way I'm paying that price for those. So is it like him doing the whole like I'm going to be so nice and walk this over and it makes him look good in front of his buddy and it makes me like, oh this guy's great. Like he's walking me over to show me these other two copies that aren't. like he's potentially walking a sale, but in the back of his mind does he know like my book is better than those two. Like if anything, this is going to help him bring me back to my table.
>> Yeah, he might have been. It was a high-risisk, high reward play, but you know, it ended up working out for everybody. I I I think.
>> Yeah. I mean, especially when you look at it like for when you're when he's selling it direct to you, he doesn't have eBay fees. He doesn't have, you know, Heritage or Comic Link or Comic Connect or whatever. Like he's, you know, what he's selling it for, he's getting. So, um, >> well, it was it was funny because when we did the deal, uh, I don't know if it was his wife, girlfriend, significant other, whatever, she was like, "Oh, you you sold that?" Cuz it was, I mean, I bought that within the first couple hours of the convention floor being open. So, I'm sure he was pretty happy that he got, you know, to sell a 15K book within like two hours of the show floor being open. But his wife was like, "What did you get for it?" And she he told her the number and she's just like, "I thought you said you wanted to get 16K minimum for that. Now you go sell it for 15. And he said something about >> Were were you there when she So you were there?
>> Yeah.
>> It was hilarious.
>> And he's like, you know, I did. He's like, that's the number that I had in my mind. And he's like, but when 15k cash comes out and he was like trying to explain to her like, well, if we sold it on eBay, like we're going to lose if we get 16k for it on eBay. This is actually the same thing. like trying to explain to her like what we would explain trying to talk to a dealer. So it was kind of funny to see that aspect of it.
>> He's like I thought about countering.
He's like would you have done 155? And I was like I would have walked to 155 but I probably would have came back and ended up buying it but we wouldn't have you wouldn't have the money in your hand right now. And then I actually saw him the next day at a at a deal or later that day buying from a dealer and I tapped him on the shoulder and I was like, "Oh, you spending my money already?" He's like, "Yeah, I got awesome."
>> It was uh It was uh Cosmic Comics and Toys. I think he has two shops in Michigan. He said >> he was hilarious. He was great to work with. And shout out to Race City. I think I think Ryan, you said you might have bought some stuff >> from him.
>> Yeah, he he sells on Instagram.
>> Yeah, I thought he was Like I said, I think I've bought a book from him almost every Heroes Con. They have a lot of the same dealers. So, like I know like when I walk in I'm like, "Okay, I want to hit these couple of tables because I bought from those guys previously and they always have good prices on stuff or fair prices." So, I'm always like I immediately want to go to their tables to see what they have for inventory.
>> I I think I bought my I think maybe I bought my Archie 50 like my 65 or whatever it is from him. Yeah. Like he Yeah, he always has cool stuff. But but general con pricing, I would say a majority of folks that were probably you're probably looking at about 10 to 20% over where it should be. But once again, I think that's within the range of you being able to at least talk them down to close to market price. No, I think you're right. I mean, 10 10 to 20% seems fine. Uh especially since a lot of competitors were at 1 point 50 60% over market and like you say, like you can't talk somebody 40% down to overpay by 10%. It's just still ridiculous, you know? So, >> I mean, um friend of the channel, Komo Comics. He sent us a picture. He's like, "I won't say which books are deal." He's like, "These two books are still here."
He had seen him another show before.
>> You go to Heroes Con for like five straight years in the same book just at the same wall, you know, with the same sticker on it. But, uh, hey, >> not everybody moves their prices.
>> I mean, that's that's every show you go I I joke about this in sports card vlogs of there's shows within a show. There's, you know, the percentage of dealers that set up that actually want to sell [ __ ] and they're priced relatively appropriately.
And there's always going to be x percentage of dealers that are they don't actually want to sell anything to people that remotely have any idea what they're doing. They're just hoping someone walks up and just pays the number. Almost like a car dealership really. Like they're just hoping someone comes in. Yeah, I'll take the Toyota RAV 4 with your 6K and add-ons and your paint protection and all this other crap.
>> Uh, versus someone that actually walks in as a semi-educated buyer. So, there's it's just a matter of like what percentage of the room wants to actually sell [ __ ] and what percentage of the room just wants to have a museum. And I could say having gone to Heroes Con four or five times now, it is shifted more towards, oh, okay, I actually kind of just want to sell this [ __ ] Like, we're not trying to price at the COVID bubble anymore. But those guys are still in the room for sure.
>> Right. One other aspect before, you know, I don't want to send us down another talking hole with this, but you know, we'll have to address this at some point in another show. You know, to that point, the problem is is that if you do price as a dealer at these shows somewhere within market, like right away, what ends up happening is the other dealers buy your inventory before the doors open. So then, so then you sell out your booth. those other dealers either mark it up or they put it away because they're going to do whatever they do with it at some other event. So, that's one of the pain points is like you could even if you're a dealer who is well-intentioned to sell at market, you get your inventory swallowed up. But, that seems like a that's a whole other can of worm conversation that we >> I mean, I want I want to I want to at least I think I think we should at least pick the scab a little bit. Like, >> is that wrong? Like, what why should you care who you're selling to? If you want to sell it at if you want to sell whatever it is at a certain price point and you price it at that price point and someone walks up and they are willing to buy it at that price point, >> should it matter whether you're selling that 30 minutes before the con opens or 3 hours into your day?
>> Well, that let I'll let you go right to the title of our show. There are no collectors.
There's just only dealers buying out everything. But Ryan, so sorry I had to get that in. That's the thing because like we we've had that very same conversation in some different group chats and because I've asked Drew about it because I don't sell at shows and he does and so and he said like a lot of times I think what it comes to is like a lot of times it tends to be the the newer sellers like the newer sellers where they're pricing things you know like to move and when because they have so much into the show you know like whatever it is travel or whatever it's like if they can get all this stuff sold right away and then they're just like they can just cruise for the next couple days that's why they do it you know and it's it's tough. tough because like if they were since they're priced well, they would probably sell all that stuff anyway throughout the throughout the the weekend. Um, but it it's frustrating from just like from an observation side, you know, where you're just like this is why people end up hating cons and it's because it's this like in purchasing, you know, that goes on that makes everything just exponentially more expensive there and when in reality they're probably before you walked in the door there were places you could have gone to that had reasonable prices.
And so it's just yeah, it's not really like that it's a bad thing for that person to do it. just it's what makes I think a lot of the con experiences in terms of buying kind of suck, you know, and so yeah, >> I mean it happens at a lot of card shows right now for sure because the repackers get uh they'll buy a table just to get a dealer badge, not even they'll set like one card. They you'll literally walk through a card show, you'll see a case that they put cards in. There'll be like three cards in it and a buying sign, but all they're buying the table for is access to the dealer badge to be able to walk the show floor 2 hours before anybody else can.
>> You're like, I I get immediate pass for a lot of these shows. So, a lot of times I get access to the show floor ahead of time. And you'll walk around, dealers will still be setting up and there'll be people wiping out whole tables two hours before the show starts. selling cards, it's a little bit different because cards are way more transactional. So, from a dealer perspective, they get wiped out and then they kind of flip the script and they're like, "Come to me. I need to spend cash." So, everyone walking in that has their Zion case with them is a target for them because they need to buy to reload their inventory.
And that keeps the money flowing in the card world a lot f like there the velocity of money moves way faster in cards, I think, because of that. Uh, I don't know if that works in comics as much because I don't know how many people are walking in. To your point, Ryan, this [ __ ] takes up a ton of space.
It's heavy. It's not easy to carry around. You might throw a couple slabs in your backpack that you want to move, but you're not walking in there. You know, I can walk in with a roller case with hundreds of cards in it potentially. I can't do that at a Comic Con.
>> Well, shout out to the dealers that are trying to do right out there. Shout out to the ones that hooked up Rob with his book. Shout out to Heroes Con. Seems like it was a fun event. We'll have to all make it out there at some point. And shout out to Extreme Motors 4617 for the $5 who says, "You guys are doing great.
Keep up the good work. Love you guys."
Thanks so much, Extreme Monster.
>> Love you back. We appreciate all the super chats. Um well, couple last little topics before we kind of, you know, wind down here, but I did want to hit this one right here, which we were a little light on the card content on tonight's episode. So, we had to kind of finish out with a little bit of a car story, but guys, uh, you know, Marvel superheroes, the next Magic the Gathering set, you know, their version of the Avengers, uh, which Manu, you actually mentioned a little earlier in the show, is set to come out, >> uh, just next week. You know, this is the collector booster boxes are about to hit market. And I thought that this was a really interesting post because this guy said that 123 Marvel superhero collector booster boxes opened, not by me, here were the hits. So, somebody did the experiment. They opened up a bunch of these boxes. Uh, right now they kind of are retailing around like $450 to $500.
>> Say that's a lot of that's a lot of money a box.
>> That is a lot of money to be opening up.
But here where were their hit breakdowns and to put it into a little bit of perspective, the toll rate seems to be a lot lower than that of Spider-Man and actually significantly low. And I don't know, Rob, maybe you can kind of weigh in on this. Like, is this one of those things where if the pull rates are low, does that make the hit cards more valuable or does that make people less interested in making attempts to pull these cards? Um, before you answer that, just a couple highlights here. This this Thanos one is the um one of the uh Mindstone. Uh last set in the Spider-Man set, it was the soul stone. Uh he did not get the grand prize, which is the cosmic version. He got this uh version with the Thanos. So, that's a lot of boxes to open to only get one of those.
I think that the soul stone version and the Spider-Man set sells for about $2,000 per card. Um, and then some of the other comic cover hits, uh, are some of the interesting chase cards. But Rob, let me kind of kick it to you here. What do you think about this experiment, this pull rate seemingly low? Do you think that that's a good thing or a bad thing for collectors out there?
>> Uh, on the ultra rare stuff, it definitely boosts it if it makes it harder to hit. Uh, it could also give you insights into the print run, like potentially maybe the print run's bigger, which I don't think with this one that's the case, uh, just based off of the pre-order numbers for it. And it actually can impact the price of the sealed wax as well, because if you have to rip more of it to get the hits, that means the velocity of it getting ripped is a lot quicker. So, it pulls out the sealed supply a lot faster potentially.
And this is, you know, this sounds crazy that someone would do this, but this is in magic. This is the one of the TCGs that this actually makes sense because Magic is very player oriented, not collector oriented. So, they need and want the singles. Like, players want the singles to bling out their decks. Like, this is pretty common to kind of rip cases upon cases upon cases. And if you sell fast enough, you could actually do better than just selling the sealed boxes in some cases. Um, a lot of stores will just do it for their inventory, too, because they want to have inventory for stuff. And it kind of, you know, um, I forget who it was when we we talked earlier about, you know, people don't want to grade Magic cards or whatever because the the Magic folks get mad about grading cards. It's a similar thing like ma of all the TCGs, Magic is by far and away the least graded, especially when you look at it in terms of how popular it is >> because players actually want the cards to play with and in their decks. They don't want them slab. They don't want them in a case. They don't want them on display. Uh they want them in their hands to like actively shuffle them and play with them.
>> Which which to me to that point it feels like Manu Marvel card collectors like should be looking at these sets more.
Don't you think?
>> I mean that's what you that's what we were saying about uh maybe that Spider-Man set being undervalued now, right? Like worth picking up that Spider-Man magic set.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, and like the interesting thing to me, like when I look at this with like Pokemon, I feel like when there's when the hits are tough to come by, it causes people to complain a lot, but long term that sealed product tends to be pretty valuable. Like when you look at like uh uh what's the I can't remember the set now, but the um the set that has like the the Umbreon the Mumbreon in it. Like that one like people complained all the time about how hard it is. Yeah.
evolving says how hard it is to pull and it was like people didn't like that at first but then that became like one of these like one of the marquee sets for Pokemon and it's because it was so hard to pull that card that people wanted >> Swag connect me again with the thought you were having. I think I misunderstood what you were saying. What why should we be looking why should Marvel Card guys be looking into this? Walk me through that.
>> At to Rob's point you know this this type of set Magic Players they want to play with the cards. it's an actual game for them. They're handling them. Like presumably there's less >> tens, there's uh more wear and tear.
People are ripping this stuff. So, when it comes to the fact that Magic, which got this large player base on top of, you know, now they're doing this set that's Marvel. So, if you're like a Marvel card collector and you like this artwork anyways, you know, this seems like >> a good place to dip your toes in. Um, which I understand, you know, Tops Chrome also, you know, is about to come out with this Marvel set. Marvel recently showed some of the new cars.
They're doing a bunch of these reflections. These look pretty cool as >> well. We we were a little critical of some of the top stuff a couple of weeks ago. That Venom reflections card looks amazing.
>> Amazing. Let me see.
>> Some of these ones uh you can see on the screen are pretty sweet. So, I mean, I I think that this set's going to be popular. I I I tend to think, but I am biased that owning the Magic cards is cooler to me, but I am biased. So, but I don't know. I I just think from a Marvel card collector perspective, that would be something that you might have thoughts on.
>> It is a gnarly Venom card. No, now I understand what you're saying. So, predicated on as long as the Magic uh community that's actually, you know, playing the game, as long as they're buying them and playing with them, meaning there's going to be fewer in high grade available for the people that want the, you know, graded collections, then there seems to be an opportunity there, right? Just like some of those comic books that are uh damaged from the factory, uh the 98s might be worth more than a 98 would have been worth had not all of them been damaged, that sort of scenario, right? So, as long as they are being played, meaning the magic community likes them and buys them and plays with them, then that opportunity is real. But like the Spider-Man said, the man the Magic community from initially they kind of rejected that set from my understanding. They're like, man, the playability of these suck anyway. So, the only people that were buying them were the Marvel card guys, in which case they're all high-grade.
They're all PSA 10s, you know, because no one's playing.
>> Yeah, that's a good point. Now, I will I will say again, you know, take it with a grain of salt. I am biased. I did work on this set. Uh, but go pick it up. It makes me look good. if this thing does well. Um, but uh the Spider-Man set >> was was rushed a little bit. Uh, they didn't get to come out with all the mechanics that they wanted and so from a playing standpoint, it was underwhelming. However, early uh speculation of like the players who are looking at the set list of these superhero cards, the Avenger set, people are starting to get really excited about this one. And and that says a lot considering like typically like like you already hinted at, Magic players are a little allergic to these like collaboration sets where you know Magic has done collaborations with like Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. They did collaborations with Lord of the Rings.
They're they're going to do collaborations with other IPs and now now doing Marvel. So Magic players are a little like can you just do the the old school Magic stuff and not do these collaborations? But the reality is these things sell way more. They it's just because they're pulling in the casual fans. But >> I mean some of them do like the you know the the Lord of the Rings stuff sells insanely >> well and there was like that there was that like Christmas box the Lord of the Rings grand for a collector's box. Now >> that was a case of nobody wanted that so they lightly printed it and then everybody wanted it.
>> Yeah. And and Final Fantasy also a great as well. Yeah.
>> But uh anyways either way I'm excited about uh this set. It's gonna come out um >> this weekend.
>> Next week, I think.
>> Oh, next week.
>> Yeah, I think this is pre-release weekend this weekend.
>> Yeah. But I I'll tell you this. I'm I'm gonna pick up a couple of these boxes and I might have to do a box break on my channel. So, I don't know if Robbie, you're going to do any box breaks for this, but uh >> uh I don't have it in my plans to grab one. I do have a couple Spider-Man ones behind me, but um I I had the opportunity to pre-order one of these and it just kind of got lost in the shuffle of things. From from my perspective, if I'm not going to open it, and this goes back to kind of what we talked about before, it's like, would I rather spend $400 on a sealed magic box or $400 on a sealed Pokemon box? Like from a strictly a sealed perspective of sitting it on a shelf, like that $400 is going to turn into 800 way faster in the Pokemon than it is in the magic. The magic will probably get there. Like I have plenty of Magic stuff that I bought down there that has ended up really great, but it took four years to get there, you know, for it to like you.
Some of the stuff I'm like triple my money, which is cool, but it took way longer to get there than than Pokemon does.
Yeah.
>> Yeah. Well, you could also put your money in fake signed cards. Speaking of >> Marvel cards, >> this card signed by Captain America, Spider-Man, Hulk, and Thor. Sold last night on Golden for $35,000.
I mean, >> printed, not signed.
>> My My joke is some intern signing that thing.
>> It's not signed. That's printed on there. That's not actually an autograph.
>> That's printed.
>> Oh, it's actually That's even worse.
That's even >> It's even worse. It's but it's it says one of one but you know listen >> that's the whole thing it's a one of one it's just a one of one from the set and one of one's bring in what one of one's bring in that's it >> I know for a lot >> but I saw like there were in comments people were like oh was that signed by like Robert Downey Jr. you know or like I guess it would be cap so not Robert Downey Jr. but you know whatever and so like by the actors and it's like oh no that that's not what that is and you just you always wonder it's like is that what the person that bought it thought you know and >> yeah who knows >> isn't this like isn't this like um a reflection like here's where we are guys like first of all it's already silly that a brand new printed card just because it's a oneof one is 30 40 $50,000 whatever right I'm not being you know I'm just saying it's brand new it was printed yesterday they put a 101 on it there's other color versions of the same thing that are printed out of 10 and then out of 50 out of whatever.
That's already kind of silly. But now we're at a place where it's like here's a one of one and the this is the card.
This is just the artwork on the card.
The artwork on this card happens to be the artwork symbolizing autographs. But it's like it's like a joke, you know. I don't I'm not mad at it. I'm not mad at it. But it's like here's where we are.
>> Yeah.
>> Here is where we are, >> you know? Well, you know where we also are is towards the end of our show and uh before we wrap it up, we have to do Man's Minute, but also I got a little jealous of Manuse Minute and I was started thinking like maybe Swag needs like an also his own kind of minute cuz there's been a little thing that I've been kind of shaping. You know, I'm the one coming with these like stupid speculation things like League of Legends Riftbound the card game or Mario Arcade Flyers. I got another stupid one for you guys. 60 seconds with Swag.
>> See, I thought we were going to get Swag second, not sponsored by Bluetooth.
>> Swag. Swag second. Not sponsored by Bluetooth. Here's my next spec. What do you guys think about this one, guys? We are getting GTA 6 finally after years of years of never getting it. It's got its release date on November 19th. The Take Two stock went up like 8% in one day this past week, which was pretty crazy.
So, you ready?
Grand Theft Auto Trading Cards. What do you guys think? Are we going to go to the moon with these things? I mean, >> you've already bought them, haven't you?
>> Unfortunately, this was not my purchase, but >> I was I was thinking, you know what?
Grand Theft Auto trading cards, you know, could go to the moon. I was actually looking to see if there was Grand Theft Auto um comic books, but there weren't. But uh that's my uh second with swag segment as my next >> I would rather buy the new K-pop Demon Hunter Sealed than this.
>> You're such a hater. You're such a hater. Rob, you know that every time you buy something that I recommend, you do well with it, right?
>> Um I believe my League of Legends box is in the red.
What about your Avengers 8?
>> That's way in the red.
>> Oh, damn. I actually no longer own that book.
>> Swag speck. Not not >> swag speck. Swag sack spec. Anyway, >> I was I was I I was waiting for you to to specifically call that out. I was watching your collection buy video and you were talking about Avengers 8 and you like at one point this used to be like big spec and I ripped Neo off hardcore for one of these.
>> Don't Don't you know? Listen, it's a running joke. Don't listen to my spec.
Here's the thing, guys. I'm not actually gonna buy these things, okay? I'm just throwing it out as like a You never know. You never know. Um, all right. We got to go on now to Manu's minute. And, um, Manu, I got no setup other than take it away.
>> No. Okay, great. Uh, this this is fun because this is a story that I wanted to tell, but it also it it has some nice questions about uh what you would have done or how you feel about it. So, uh, shout out to our sponsor, Elite Comics 11.
And uh shout out to Ali because a few weeks ago Ali gave me a call and because this is a book that I really really love and it's the sort of thing that uh I'm really into but so Venom Lethal Protector we all know that book that Bagley cover there's a black error where the red foil didn't get laid down properly and that's already dope.
And that book in a 98 is like, you know, it's a rough range. I'll say like 5,500 to 8,500 bucks. I know it's a wide range, but it just depends on where you buy it. If the person, your friend, they graded it, so on and so forth. Call it $6,500, whatever. But most people know of the direct edition. Very few people know that the Black Error actually does exist as a news stand as well. And some people think they've some people say they've never seen it. Here is the copy that Ali from Elite, the owner of Elite, graded himself recently after buying a collection because from time to time they do buy collections as well. So, hit them up. Um, or anything that you might want to sell them. You could always hit them up if you don't want to post it on their platform and see what they say.
But in any case, he gives me a call and he shows me this and I was like, "Oh my gosh." And we had a conversation about what is this worth? Because people that are just looking at um the recorded sales of this, there's one recorded sale. It's during the pandemic and it's 20,000 and change. And a lot of people assume that it might be the only copy.
But if the same way Ali called me, other people call me about this book as well.
So I'm aware that it isn't the only copy and I have had opportunities to buy. So I had some insight into what I've offered on some and what offers higher than mine were accepted. And so we had the conversation about value, about price. You know, scarcity aside, it is an extremely scarce book. It it does not come up very often. Most people don't even know that it exists. And there are some there is a history which hasn't been confirmed or verified. Um, but there is some speculation of fake copies that have made it through CGC. So, it's not to say that if it's CGC slabed, it's real, but there is something that certain collectors will tell you to look out for. Now, I'm going to say this, but do your own due diligence because I cannot confirm or verify this confirm or deny or whatever. But it is said by some people that have done some deep digging that if the copy has no red on it whatsoever, that doesn't mean it's fake, but that is a red flag that someone imitated a black error. So, if it has no red whatsoever, cuz many of these have a little bit of red foil here, a little bit of red foil there. It's not completely black. So, that's just the first thing to be sort of cautious of, but no one knows if that means it's fake for sure, but there was this other thing where in the top left corner of this book where it says Marvel Comics, the ones that are said to be fake are not only completely black, but that blue box has no remnant of Marvel comics. Not the embossed, not the raised, not any shadow of it, nothing. It is just a solid blue box. It looks as though the comic was manufactured intentionally perfectly to represent the error where majority of the errors have some remnants of what was supposed to be printed. So that's just a side note. In any case, this is a real one. Ali graded it himself and it got the 98. And so he made a real about it, made it available, you know, to his community. You will find really dope rare things like this on Elite's page as well. So definitely follow their page and then some conversations started, right? Certain people started making offers, but Ali ended up trading this book for a book that he personally is more connected to. And it's a very cool book. It's actually I pulled up some details here, but here it is. It's um it's four comics, four color comics, issue 16 from 1941.
And this is the first appearance of Mickey Mouse in comic books. And I didn't do this research, but it was told to me that the last sale of this book was 22K. And they did an even trade. And so that's putting a 22K value, which is very reasonable on that Lethal Protector. And so I thought this is awesome because I think both of these are awesome. Now, here's what I want to ask. Who do you which book would you have kept? Who do you think got the better side of this? Right? Because this book, the fourcolor comics, there's only 149 graded total and it's from 1941.
All right, it's ancient. It's very cool.
This cover is cool. Everything. There are four 7.5s. Last sale apparently being 22K. The new stand black error lethal protector. It is not broken apart on the census. So out of the 129.8 black errors, we don't know how many of them are news stands. But if you've been paying attention and you look at what comes available, newsstands never really become available. So it's a small fraction of that. Personally me obviously I want the Black Eerror 98 newsstand Lethal Protector. But I want to ask Ryan, I want to ask Rob, Mickey, I want to ask you, which of these two would you want? And to me, this is just an awesome story of two awesome books being transacted through Elite. So double purpose for me wanting to share this, but I love this book. I want this book. And most people don't even know this exists, but let's start with you, Swag. Which one would you take?
>> All right, people in the chat are already doing it as well, but you guys should let us know which you one you would rather have. Um, so me personally, I love this book. Like, I love the first Mickey Mouse comics. This is the one that I would personally rather collect.
How? Well, however, I will do a little bit of a caveat and say that I do wonder if if you needed to sell this book, you might have an easier time getting a purchase with this one. I think if you have this, you may have to consign auction, really work at this thing. It it might be a little harder to move because, you know, golden age at this particular level is is tricky. I mean, maybe Ryan's going to have more thoughts on that and and I I don't really know the Venom Lethal market like you guys do, but u my answer is this. Although maybe this one would be easier to move.
So that's my thought.
>> Okay.
>> So for me, I'll say like let's let's just assume they're both like relatively close in value. It is tough to say like you know the the fourcolor I was just looking at some recent sales like it had the $22,000 roughly sale. It had a sale right before that that I think was around like 168 or 17. So, >> okay, >> you could say it's like it's maybe like 18 to 20 in that range. It might push to the 22. Like 22 is on the high side.
>> Okay.
>> The the Lethal Protector was a while ago, you know, and it's like a COVID sale, so it's tough to call, you know, >> but I personally, >> not just because of golden age, like I I I I would take the fourcolar 16. The reason I would though is I don't personally really like having high and I've talked about this on the channel before. I don't like having high dollar 98s because I'm always so afraid of of something shifting and taking damage in the case and now it becomes a 96 and now it's worth four grand, you know, or five grand or something like that. Whereas if the >> the label says 98, that's all.
>> That's true. I know. I know. The label says 98, Ryan. the label says 98, it could be a >> that's the stuff that always worries me.
Whereas like a 75 like that that's going to be a 75 probably no matter what happens to that book in the case. Uh now the other thing I will say with respect to liquidity of that book now that is a higher grade than what I've owned. I've owned a couple lower grade ones. I think I had a four five and a three maybe something like that. And when I put like I had them both in my PC for a little bit and when I decided to sell them, they both sold almost instantly. That is a very very desirable book when it comes to golden age comics. Now, when you're pushing a $20,000 price, that may be a little harder to get that that cash number, but it is still a it is a book that will move. Um I mean, like you don't see them very often. I've only seen them like there's I've seen one at my local show and it's always up there.
It's it's a restored copy that has a really high price on it and so nobody buys it. But like that like you don't come across them and that grade is near impossible. And I do think it actually would be a little more liquid than you might think. Probably not as liquid as the the Venom, but still not it's not I don't think it's going to be a tough sell.
>> Yeah.
>> Right.
>> Rob, do you got any opinions on either of these books?
>> Uh I'm gonna split the difference here.
I would rather have the Venom behind me like on display. I if you're telling me which one I would rather park my money in, it's the four colors.
>> That's a good answer. I can respect that.
>> I think that that's a logical answer for sure.
>> Well, >> oh be before we go. Sorry. Before we go, Philip, our friend Philip in chat said something very cool here. He said, "My friend still owns the very first 10.0 0 by CGC from May of 2000 and it just so happens to be a Venom black error.
That's not saying it's a news stand, but it's a Venom black error. That's CGC's first ever given 10.0. I didn't know that. Phillips telling us that. That's amazing. Shout out to you, my man.
That's serious.
>> Wow. No, that's definitely would be interesting to see if that ever came to market. We'll have to keep our eye out on it, but maybe we'll find it pop up on Elite Comics 11 one day, which once again, shout out to Elite Comics 11 for sponsoring tonight's show. We really appreciate them for supporting our podcast. So, uh, let's support them back. Go give them a follow if you haven't already. Let's get them to 50K.
Go check out some of the books they got up for sale. Good deals all the time.
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I think we want to do them on Saturdays, but you know, we keep getting busy, so we have to kind of shift around. But I kind of like that we uh just drop it on the people randomly. So, um with that said, thanks so much, guys, for tuning in tonight. We appreciate you. We'll catch you on the next episode.
Detective Comics set a record for 1.8 million. Nobody really cares.
>> Who are annoyed that people are asking the question, is this book banned? That question didn't exist a year ago.
Somebody's submitting like 25 vintage books and getting 15 9.9. We always think, how could it ever get crazier?
And then it always does.
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