Global Innovation Talk : Bridging Academia and Industry | Visiting Professor

[00:26:42]Asalam alaikum.

[00:26:47]Good afternoon everyone.

[00:26:50]Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for joining us today afternoon by July 2026.

[00:26:56]is a great privilege to see his fulfilled wish to his previous guest and to be joined by many more participants platform reflecting the significant of this gathering bridging together academia industry and international expertise under one roof and connecting Indonesia, Japan and Korea to the to language of science and innovation.

[00:27:24]Welcome to the global innovation talk between academia and industry and proudly presented by study program of technology pop and paper institute of technology science medium in collaboration with tapi honorable Dr. Charm director of institute technology science lab together with the university leadership team honorable Mr. Dr. Asepta Dharma STM of faculty of professional science institute technology science honorable Dr. Ed Sjan Santi, chairman of the Indonesia Technical Association of the P and Pepper Industry.

[00:28:12]Our distinguished visiting professor, Professor Hiroi Oji, PhD from the University of Super Japan who is in a person and from Apple PhD from Teeat University.

[00:28:28]We are also honored to welcome the chairman of Japan Papi, Mr. Kevin Nou Fuku.

[00:28:38]We are also delegate to welcome the representative of our sponsor and proud industry partner who are joining us today. Mr. Har from Pete Harold, Mr. Eko and Mr. Goro from Eternal Guana Chemical Industry.

[00:29:02]Mia from Aki Associ Indonesia.

[00:29:10]Mr. Liong and Mi from Kitura Jaya and Mr. Andre, Mr. Shahit and Mr. Ari from Pepp Hot and Pepper Meals.

[00:29:25]My name is Har and I will be your master of ceremony for today's event and also all of you joining us today. Our distinguished lecture, researchers, writer and professional professional professional from the pop and paper industry. Whether you are with the us here in the auditorium or part virtually meeting, we extend our members welcome.

[00:29:55]Today's event is founded as a simple yet powerful purpose to build a bridge between academia and industry for connecting our academic community with work in our expert in paper technology through initiat to strengthen collaboration for many knowledge accent and inspire the next generation in in we will shape the future of the p and pepper industry.

[00:30:26]This event also reflects our commitment to strengthening the quality pro of top and prepare technology study program as we work toward SEP the highest academation status excellence 2028.

[00:30:41]We are especially pleased to welcome the many participant joining us from across the top and paper industry.

[00:30:48]present today. It is a true statement to the strong partnership and we are trusting between academia and industry.

[00:30:55]Before we move on to the next session, I would like to kindly rewind all participant to complete today attendance by scanning the QR code displayed on the screen at the front and the Okay.

[00:32:00]Next, before we proceed to the main program, please allow me to present today agenda. For the first opening, wcoming remarks, Mr. Signing here a presentation by our distinguished professor question and answer session conclusion closing and photograph session.

[00:32:19]Ladies and gentlemen, please join us here in warmly welcome from Dr. Charm, director of institute technology as he deliver his welcoming remarks from Dr. Charmad. The time is yours.

[00:32:37]>> [applause] >> distinguished guest, esteemed colleague, honor Uh guest and ISB students good afternoon and welcome to the exit technology science bund.

[00:33:18]It is a profound privilege to stand before you. Today we gather for the global innovation of bridging academia and industry.

[00:33:31]This event marks a significant milestones for our institution.

[00:33:38]We believe palabulation is the cape food driven global progress.

[00:33:45]I extend our highest gratitude to professor Hiro HD from university Japan. We are deeply honored by your presence and global perspective today.

[00:34:01]Your insight will undoubtly inspire our faculty and students. International partnership like this uh will shape the future of higher education.

[00:34:14]I would like also to thank to professor Ojin from GU who join me online I think our university.

[00:34:26]Thank you professor for bringing you for bringing your valuable expertise to ITS.

[00:34:36]I would like also to extend my gratitude to Dr. Edin chair Natapi and Miss which are also our faculty member here who facilitate and make this talk effort.

[00:34:54]our distinguished guest from University uh Papu BMG and then from Aber from Indo Delhi of course from Inat.

[00:35:12]Thank you. Thank you very much for your support and attendance in this event today. Okay. I also I have forgotten your name uh from in Japan.

[00:35:26]Uh ah okay.

[00:35:32]Thank you very much for your coming here.

[00:35:36]Ladies and gentlemen, today's two today's stand emphasize the vital [clears throat] link between a and practice.

[00:35:46]Academia provides the knowledge while industry provide the real world application.

[00:35:53]Together we create impactful innovation for the global market.

[00:35:59]Following this talk we will also conduct a commercial academic agenda. We will review the curriculum of P and paper processing technology study program.

[00:36:11]This problem is also a cornerstone of ISB in industrial alignment.

[00:36:18]Your expert feedback will help us elevate our educational standard.

[00:36:26]We aim to ensure our graduate remains highly competitive globally.

[00:36:33]To close my speech, I thank everyone who made this remarkable event possible.

[00:36:40]To professor P and professor, thank you very much for your guiding for for you to guide us. I wish you all a highly productive and inspiring session. Thank you very much and have a wonderful day.

[00:36:58]Thank you.

[00:37:03]>> [applause] [clears throat] >> Thank you from Dr. Jamarim Babu for your remarks.

[00:37:18]Next, it's our dear honor to invite Dr. Ed STMP in chairman of INATI and lecture in the for technology program technology science window to deliver his opening Dr. the time is yours.

[00:37:52]Good afternoon.

[00:38:00]The honorable professor Hiroshi, Professor Agitus from Sububa University.

[00:38:07]The honorable professor Ojin Park from Jakarta Institute International University.

[00:38:14]Distinguished representative from EPS and students of Institute of Technology Science Fund, representative from our sponsor chemical from Judy Harson. Representative from industry mura from Aki from Japani.

[00:38:44]Representative from University Rio University of Buffalo who join online and our partner universities our moderator Miss Rahawati Ayani.

[00:39:01]Ladies and gentlemen, it is a great honor and pleasure to welcome all of you to the global innovation talking academia and industry visiting professor sales.

[00:39:15]First of all, let us give thanks to almighty god for his abundant blessing allowing us to gather today in good health and for this international academic forum. on behalf of INAPI Indonesian pul and paper technical association and the p and paper processing technology study program of institute technology science fandom. I would like to extend my warmest welcome and deepest appreciation to our distinguished speaker and all participant who join us today.

[00:39:55]Today Pence bridging academia and industry reflects a shared commitment to strengthening the connection between significant discovery and industrial practice. Sustainable innovation can only be achieved through meaningful collaboration that combine academic excellence, technical, technological advancement and real industrious need.

[00:40:24]As a university with strong partnership particularly with Asia Pop and Paper AP and broader pop and paper industry, the TPP study program at Psay remains committed to advancing education, applied research and technological innovation. We believe the university should not only prepare future professional but also become driver of innovation that create tangible failure for industry and society.

[00:41:01]Today we are privileged to learn from two international respected scholar.

[00:41:07]Professor Hiroshi will share his expertise on wood chip quality for craft cooking while professor Ojim Park uh professor Joshua will present the commercial application of liin from various bio refineries.

[00:41:27]The presentation are highly re relevant as our industry continue its transformation towards sustainability and circularity and innovation.

[00:41:39]As chairman of innovati, I firmly believe that the future of our industry depend not only on the investment in technology but also on the investment in people, research, partnership and continuous learning.

[00:41:55]This event also serve as stepping stone toward the international symposium on wood fiber pulping chemistry ESWPC 2027.

[00:42:10]Uh please show the flyer which will take place from 4th to 10 July 2027 in Pakaru and Rio.

[00:42:25]On behalf of Inatapi and our organizing part partners, I warmly invited all researcher, academic students and industrial professional to join this international gathering as we exchange knowledge, showcase innovation and strengthen global collaboration for a more sustainable forest product and biorey industry.

[00:42:51]I encourage every participant to actively engage in today's uh discussion. Every meaningful conversation has the potential to become tomorrow's innovation and every connection can lead to impactful collaboration.

[00:43:08]We hope this global innovation talk will further strengthen international partnership reinforce role as a hub for innovation and excellence in the pot and paper sector.

[00:43:23]Finally, I would like to express my sincere appreciation to all distinguished speaker, sponsor, moderator, industry partner, the organizing community and all participant joining us both on site and online via June. Your presence reflects our shared commitment to advance knowledge and building stronger collaboration between academia and industry.

[00:43:51]I will I wish all of us a productive, insightful and inspiring seminar today.

[00:43:58]Thank you very much.

[00:44:04]Enjoy the seminar and wish you a fruitful and inspiring discussion.

[00:44:23]Thank you Dr. Edn for your remarks.

[00:44:27]Ladies and gentlemen, we now come to one of the most significant moment of today's programs. The signing of the MO degree institute technology science fu and the university of sukuba japan is presented today by professor hiroe phd to commence to the signing ceremony my respectfully invite Dr. DMA STM education institute technology science window and professor CO PhD forward Second, I'm happy.

[00:46:57]>> [clears throat] >> How do you feel?

[00:47:49]>> [applause] >> Congratulation on this meaningful milestone and the beginning of a promising collaboration between our institution.

[00:48:18]Following the signing ceremony we will proceed with the presentation of caloranka as a token appreciation from init technology science bendu to professor hiro by we respectfully invite professor Dr. Charm director at of institute of technology science med to present the camera pla please come forward.

[00:49:10]Hey, it's Ladies and gentlemen, we will now move on to one of the highlight of today's program that is the discussion the discussion session. This session will lead academic STMP. Before we begin next session, I let me introduce the moderator who will be guiding our discussion.

[00:50:06]It's our great pleasure to welcome Mr. Rakawati STM a distinguished lecture of the professional faculty of institute technology science specializing in P and paper processing technology. Mr. Raw report her bachelor and master degrees in chemical engineering from Sri Lanka University. Throughout her academia [laughter] career, she has actively conduct research in the field of hot and pepper technology, biomass utilization, environmental engineering and sustainable waste treatment. She has led numerous research project serving as a co-editor of the journal focus technology industry. In addition, she is certified environmental impact assessment assessor. Ladies and gentlemen, please join me in warmly welcoming our moderator, Mrs. Rahawadi STMP. The time is yours.

[00:51:02][applause] Thank you for Mr. Ali as master of ceremony of this event.

[00:51:28]as professor and Mr. Fukui from Japani Professor from Jakata International University.

[00:51:43]Good afternoon. Director of Institute of Technology Science Bandong, Professor Chairman Mu and then vice director of Institute of Technology Science Band Associate Professor Dunawan Mijab Song PhD Chairman of Copy Professor Associate Professor Dr. Edin Sijab Dean of Faculty Dr. at Ja Ibu Aang as a head of p and paper technology and also profine from university university of real and my beloved students employee and regular and all of ladies and gentlemen. First of all, I would like to say thanks for attending this event global innovation talk bridging academia and industry sponsored by topic pindo daily aber and then py harson and also institute technology science band group. We already have two speakers, two great speakers. Hiroi, Professor Hiroi Ohi.

[00:52:53]Let me introduce.

[00:52:56]He is professor emmeritus from University of Scuba, Japan member, overseas technology exchange committee, representative of OE consultant. G [laughter] specification field are wood chemistry biorapinary of wood biomass pulping and breathing chemistry reaction mechanisms of carbohydrates and lignid and filamental chemistry and he finished doctor course of graduated school of agriculture the university of Tokyo and then postdoctoral fellow at institute of paper chemistry Appleton institute of paper science and technology at Lana, USA, doing many international activities as secretary international symposium on wood fiber and popping chemistry in Tokyo and Professor Oi will present the topic about quality of wood chips suitable for truck cooking and we know wood is one of raw material for making pow and paper and one of the method that uh used in industry is craft coin. The raw material is fiber containing of cellulose and lignen hemisolus.

[00:54:18]Okay. For the detail ladies and gentlemen I invite prof to come to the stage to present and your time 20 minutes. Time is yours.

[00:54:38]Thank you for your kind introduction.

[00:54:42]So I believe you should know the structure of xylon and cellos but from the fundamental chemistry I would like to explain about what is xylon what is cellos. This is my topic and secondly I must to explain about living much more complicated structure than seros and z okay because okay first of all uh park grade heart rate uh what kind of food is the most suited do you for paper grade. Uh generally speaking, I can say uh high ratio of Xyron of pardon Xyron to cellos ratio. Xyron content, XY ratio is higher is better for paper grade but for dissolving part for making rayon and cellos acetate for cigarette filter and other cellos.

[00:56:09]So long ratio of xyl to cell is hut. So what kind of good species can we select?

[00:56:22]Should we select? Okay. From the um fundamental chemistry, we need to learn more about what is zon. Next slide.

[00:56:35]Yes. Next.

[00:56:38]Okay.

[00:56:40]So how is the chemical structure of first D XYOS?

[00:56:48]D X zyros.

[00:56:50]Uh which is D XYOS one or two. Do you know who? Okay.

[00:57:00]Write your hand. You think one needs Z.

[00:57:07]Raise your hand or two is zyos.

[00:57:12]My answer is one is zyos. Okay. The second one next please.

[00:57:20]>> Okay. So we must think about the mirror mirror image of the carbohydrate. This is the basic of organic chemistry. Okay.

[00:57:33]Middle we have two kind of organic uh compounds generally. [clears throat] Okay. Then next please.

[00:57:46]Yes. So it has three car it has a chemical compound compound. It has three carbons. Okay. But it's not different from zyos. XYOS has five carbon. Okay, one by one we can extend the structure of this pent. Next please.

[00:58:14]Okay, which is the xyus. Xyros has five carbons. You can see the second line.

[00:58:27]Okay.

[00:58:29]So this is the Dyros we call Dyros. So becoming complicated. So next slide next slide please. Okay but so there is two kind of form. One is pyramid form. Okay. And the other one is pyramid form. Okay. So in case of zyos mainly uh we have two kind of form. The next please.

[00:59:09]Yes. So okay now we know the duro pyanos structure in the case of glucose.

[00:59:23]Okay but most of them most of them uh maybe they studied chem stud engineer or chemical engineer not chemist. So maybe most of you become confused, confused and boring about this fundamental chemistry. But please study uh my materials. I already give you all of my materials. Okay? Please study it in your home. Especially young student must study about what is Xyros and what is gurugo as the first step and then what is zy and what is cellos the next step and then we can understand okay uh reactivity of xy and cellos during the perfect chemical engineering process And which species is the best and we can understand. Okay. If you try to make a tissue paper or paper board content is important.

[01:00:44]Okay. Xyron cells ratio should be high.

[01:00:49]But if you want to get the cellos chemicals of course content should be low. And you can understand total part is from the good materials in the industry. PR is very important. If you reach for example 54 55 more than 55 years based on food weight. So we can get much more in much more how do they say simply say much more money. Okay. And if the part okay part is lower than 40 can we lose money because par is higher is better of course. And next please.

[01:01:46]So we shortly I shortly explain generally speaking. So what is the difference of seals and amidas or semiol or amidos or here for food materials we have uh tapioca for example tapioca tapioca uh is made structure is made of glucose also made of glucose.

[01:02:21]But structure is completely different.

[01:02:24]Chemical structure is different. Okay.

[01:02:27]So this shows uh the aroma or alpha anoma and beta anomal of glucose structure. Okay. So the activity of the cells and amos is completely different. Okay. And next slide please.

[01:02:53]Yes. So you can see the beta B glucose structure. Beta is very important.

[01:03:02]Please remember. Okay. Uh beta structure. Beta structure is a simple unit of cells. If you are producing um you are uh you produce paper may be composed of cells not animals.

[01:03:25]If this beta deg glucose structure is different if it be out of a beta structure we cannot get cells. This is amigos.

[01:03:37]Okay. And glucose has glucose from immunity is excuse me a dec but zyo five okay fundamental structure.

[01:03:57]So zyos is one of the important units he means hemisph.

[01:04:09]So in the case of boot in Indonesia tropical we call the wood divided into soft and hard. The hard containing large amount of xyl. Okay. Maybe you using practicial hard. So please focus on xylm and you uh may uh other structure when you use soft wood but in Indonesia no soft for paper material. Okay you should learn first what is xyros and what is seven.

[01:04:59]Okay, the next please.

[01:05:03]Next is the most important uh one. We can skip this slide.

[01:05:11]Yeah. Next.

[01:05:14]Okay. This is D structure.

[01:05:18]Next three.

[01:05:21]Yes. Uh you can show uh this uh this data. This is data of the zylang zylan cells or xyros glucose ratio ratio ratio. Okay. So we checked the many kind of food species but now today we like to skip this data. Okay. In the case of Aashia, in the case of Ukarine, so Z to several ratio is varying. So you need to choose suitable wood species.

[01:06:05]If your target is paper grade, okay, higher Zion is better. Okay. It could try to produce the dissolving part uh for seretate or radio or zy zy ratio should be okay. Next please.

[01:06:32]Yes, this is a sample of the ukarita species from South Africa in Indonesia mainly ukarus now ukarus parita we pita and we started to use many kind of hybrid hybrid spec hybrid species and you also use aashia uh in the field of brand or you planting cashia or you can also use cash mangu.

[01:07:14]So from these species you must choose which good species suitable for making the power and then for teacher and the next tables excuse me it's a okay I need to explain the living structure okay And I first I explained about carbohydrate cells and but li food containing about 30% weight% of li what is li living is more complicated maybe you must study it your homework okay you can see this figures what is liing and liing unit is two kind of two types One type is S type. The other type is G type. Okay.

[01:08:22]What is S? What is G? Next, please.

[01:08:27]Yes. So, this is unique structure. But ligning is primer.

[01:08:34]Primal. Okay. Much more bigger. Next.

[01:08:40]Yes. more complicated structure. We need to learn about structure of the liine macroolelecule macroolelecule because we need to remove this li from the wood for making the power more efficient and for the chemical engineer uh we can get data. Next please.

[01:09:07]Yes, next please.

[01:09:12]Okay. Go. Okay.

[01:09:20]Go again.

[01:09:25]Finish. I don't.

[01:09:29]Sorry.

[01:09:32]Yes. This one. Okay. So, how to remove from wood species? Okay. So we need uh temperature and um crack cooking liquor liqu and okay.

[01:09:51]So this is the deification removing this shows remaining uh ratio velocity. Okay. So kapa number is mar of ging ding content. Okay, for the chemical engineer we can get this kind of data and then we know what kind of species best. Okay. So but today I have uh few minutes. So um I already give you uh my materials. Okay, please run repeatedly. And finally, uh you can get easily to future of the fiber shape, fiber length and fiber width is very important for paper braid and we now we have a good uh equipment equipment and we can get the many datas.

[01:10:55]Next please.

[01:10:58]The final.

[01:11:00]Next please.

[01:11:02]Yes. So many data but next please.

[01:11:06]Next.

[01:11:09]This is a data of the fiber shape. We can determine a fiber length and sealable thickness. We can get together this data. go in the laboratory.

[01:11:26]Okay. And we com we compare this five lens and this and other features of the two many kind of species and for the fish paper which is better for the paper board which is better. uh we can uh know uh which kind of species together we can know based on this fundamental.

[01:11:55]So young person must uh study and know so many things. So this is my suggestion and one by one and day by day and shall we study together. Okay. And finally uh please final final next. Yes. Uh maybe in October please visit Japan. Uh I like to show you the beautiful Mount Fuji and I like to introduce take you to uh some Japanese to study together. Thank you for attention.

[01:12:44]I I so I have a lot of questions of you discussion is more fantastic.

[01:13:01]Thank you for profi already present a great presentation and all of the students already here about the presentation and I would like to uh adding some uh some uh the ratio uh Mr. Oie already uh explained about the quality of raw material of uh puff and paper and uh the content of chemicals like cellulose, lignine and heavy cellulose. He said or we call and then the sealant is uh can be used as the binder. the binder at all uh in paper industry and then uh silent is also hemiselos hemiselulose that must be removed in the uh product. Okay. And then um now we uh enter to the Q&A session and uh please uh welcome the question. Uh the best participant from uh one of you who asked in the session will be given the merchandise and uh please for the Yeah.

[01:15:04][clears throat] >> [clears throat] >> Okay, maybe uh first question uh maybe from from me.

[01:15:40]>> Yeah.

[01:15:45][laughter] >> And translate and translate. Okay. Yeah.

[01:16:10]Organic carbohydr.

[01:16:32]Forearchal syrup.

[01:16:58]Fore strength.

[01:17:27]Cataterial material.

[01:17:44][laughter] Okay.

[01:18:20]Yeah. Uh, Mr. always said that if you don't have any questions, I ask you the question the the the battery from from O.

[01:18:37]Yeah. [cough] Yeah.

[01:19:14]in Indonesia in English.

[01:19:32]Yeah.

[01:19:43]Oh, >> he want to ask.

[01:19:50]>> Okay, thank you. Uh, >> mention the name and >> uh good afternoon. I'm from uh we get uh tissue paper tissue. Okay.

[01:20:05]Uh I asked you about uh how they call silent and uh techn >> silent. Uh what is uh that is name uh standard name or uh Uh this silence uh yeah silence Oh, okay.

[01:21:19]Thank you.

[01:21:28]Uh he asked what is silent? What is Yeah. And this is the question of me and he asked again.

[01:21:50]Yeah.

[01:21:58]Uh so it's kind of hemis That means hemicellosa next maybe the next uh question.

[01:22:42]The next question [laughter] only.

[01:22:51]Yeah, >> we have at least three questions.

[01:22:55]>> Yeah. [laughter] >> Okay. The next question.

[01:23:00]Next question. Is there any? Yeah. Uh from Lukeman.

[01:23:07][clears throat] >> Okay. Thank you. Uh good afternoon prof. My name is Lukeman. I'm a student of paper technology from ATSB.

[01:23:20]You expect higher higher SB ratio makes it mean easier to remove burning of cooking. However, is there an optimum SD ratio for P production or a higher SD ratio?

[01:23:38]>> Any disadvantage associate with an extremely high SD ratio? Thank you.

[01:23:51]How about >> really good question?

[01:24:04]>> So you know, okay, in Brazil maybe we use characters gloas.

[01:24:15]Okay. In the case of Globas S ratio is really high more than five.

[01:24:25]Okay.

[01:24:27]And growing rate is very very good. Okay. So GRA is the best food species in the world now. Now, now but second [clears throat] parita is also good but is the ratio generally lower than in the case of perita three or something like that in the range of 2 to four but is six very high and it Means okay corification dailyification rate efficiency is really good in the case of glucas pita is worse than glucas lower temperature and requires less alien this is efficiency. Okay.

[01:25:40]>> Already answered. Lookman.

[01:25:44]>> Enough.

[01:25:45]>> Enough.

[01:25:47]>> Yeah.

[01:25:49]>> Yeah.

[01:25:51]>> I like to discuss much more with him because question almost the best question about the link and his question best question about The M the Mos and beginning is very important component of good. Okay. Maybe near near future. The you plantation uh may successfully plant much better root species ukar species than ukaras.

[01:26:31]I hope so.

[01:26:35]Okay. Thank you.

[01:26:39]Okay. Uh there is uh online question.

[01:26:44]>> Online question.

[01:26:45]>> Yeah. From uh bum bumang from pentatiles.

[01:26:50]Thank you for your detailed explanations. I have one question. You have explained that pulp with high sealant to cellulose ratio the strength of pulp or fiber will hike too. How if pulp has seen or or sire to sell right ratio is height but uh CWT or fiber is thick height uh CWT fiber means fiber strength is low which one will affect fiber strength silent cell loss ratio or CWT of the fiber pop or fiber stand will high or low.

[01:27:44]>> This is a question from website right?

[01:27:47]>> Yeah.

[01:27:48]>> From >> it's very very uh high valable question.

[01:27:51]So so could you show the uh this this side >> the characterist of fiber shape? Show the characteristic of fiber.

[01:28:05]Yes.

[01:28:08]>> So you can see in this slides fiber future. So fiber lens or seal thickness we can gather this kind of uh this >> characteristic of fiber and then like [clears throat] this one.

[01:28:42]>> Yeah, you can see you can see the fiber length and seal thickness fiber length and fiber wings and cell thickness of each fibers. These data is average data.

[01:28:55]Uh we can get these datas from uh this machine this equipment. Okay, this is also important um information uh in the chemical chemical component of food fibers. Good fibers and these uh component are affected on paper uh part storage properties.

[01:29:20]Okay. So um excuse me could you explain his question again?

[01:29:28]Um he asked about which one will affect fiber strength silon cellulose ratio or CWT of the fiber path or fiber strength will high or low.

[01:29:46]So >> for from the standpoint of chemical chemical component okay zylon ratio higher is better for parsonance properties >> xyl ratio higher is better >> it's better >> better for par strength properties especially yes but in other factor is the future chip of the fiber each pip or reduce some cells.

[01:30:25]So in the case of accashia and perita excuse me ukari ukari and cashia each fiber show us a different future different leng and select it. So for a tissue paper or paper board we need to carefully to which one is better.

[01:30:54]Okay, maybe this question is as we said is not the young student. I don't know.

[01:31:02]>> Very good question. Very good question.

[01:31:04]Please send the award. Okay. To website. Okay. Thank you. Thank you for the good questions.

[01:31:14]>> Thank you prof. And then uh the other question for online and offline.

[01:31:23]Is there any question? Yeah. From Sugan.

[01:31:29]>> Okay. Thank you. Uh good afternoon. Good afternoon professor.

[01:31:36]Uh my question is why does the higher sale uh to gua shield or SG [clears throat] uh ratio in ligning make hardwood chips uh easier to dignify direct craft cooking and reduce the uh active ali uh requirement. Thank you.

[01:32:00]Yeah, this the second question about liing is very good question. It fundamental reaction chem chemistry uh reaction mechanism. So uh many researcher already show the data using uh living model compounds of living unit linkage.

[01:32:27]Okay, lignine can be degraded more quickly. Liquid structure is sliding macroolelecule. Li is macroolelecule.

[01:32:38]Okay. So, li has um how do you say anyway?

[01:32:48]Can you can we see the complicated li molecule?

[01:32:55]Yes. This one. This one.

[01:32:59]>> Uh please uh slide a li structure name structural name >> structure structure.

[01:33:12]>> Uh no no.

[01:33:17]Next. Uh go ahead.

[01:33:22]>> Lick name structure. Le structure.

[01:33:26]Okay.

[01:33:28]Uh, >> go ahead. This is going back. Go ahead.

[01:33:33]>> You can see the unit of the structure.

[01:33:36]Un. Okay. Stop. Go back. Stop.

[01:33:42]Go back once.

[01:33:44]Go back once.

[01:33:46]This is the unit of structure. So each type has two. This method is only one. Okay.

[01:33:58]G is only one. This function SK is one two. Okay. This is the difference of S type and G type. Okay.

[01:34:09]So his question is next side please.

[01:34:14]Yeah. This is macro molecule of this unit. So many D S mixed mixed structure S and G S and G. But okay, if this is a and this linkage can easily cut during but if we have a GG structure like like this GG excuse me G G structure it's much more difficult to cut compared to S structure because this kind of reaction already clarified by young research.

[01:35:00]The SS linkage is most most easy easily cut.

[01:35:09]Okay. And if S ration is higher in the same in in the case of global it's easy to cut cut cut and the macroolelecule can be into small particles big.

[01:35:31]I hope he could touch my answer. Anyway later we like to talk more. Okay.

[01:35:44]>> I think it's okay. Okay. Uh is there any question to Profing the online?

[01:36:08]>> Yeah. any questions?

[01:36:12]Okay.

[01:36:14]Is there any question again from employee students maybe 2025?

[01:36:33]Okay.

[01:36:37]Maybe Okay, thank you. uh from fair uh employee students. Yeah. Uh he he said that uh in your explanation acia is uh have a higher rank than auser >> higher ranker >> higher >> higher higher rank. Yeah. Right.

[01:37:59]I cannot say generally. I think quality of it depends on the target.

[01:38:14]I mean uh the length of the fiber acia higher than a right >> length. Yeah. Yeah.

[01:38:44]>> Okay. Generally is I think of course shorter than soft tooth. Okay. Soft tooth high to more than 3 mm.

[01:38:57]But in the case of calcium and you can in the range of 1 2 3 mm. So distribution of this fiber length we can know but I think it's not so large difference but several sickness sickness is much much more different between accashia.

[01:39:22]So let is not so >> uh but uh he said that acia is half right.

[01:39:31]>> Yes.

[01:39:32]>> Yeah. And have has a high cost.

[01:39:38]>> High cost.

[01:39:38]>> High cost.

[01:39:39]>> Aas high cost.

[01:39:44]>> Yeah. But accur and high cost right?

[01:39:48]>> Nob >> NBKP and NBKP is high cost.

[01:39:53]>> NBKP is different from accashia and ukaras any pine and spa and we export and in Indonesia mainly we import NBK or NP.

[01:40:14]Yes. And he said that uh can be and carus uh substitute uh and right >> uh okay okay it's very simple answer impossible [laughter] >> why so okay that means the fiber links is actually completely different.

[01:40:47]So okay NBKP and N any BKP fiber more than three five ability.

[01:41:00]Okay. Um so for usually we use MU MBKB for how do I say but paper right in the case of paper board white paper board I think a cashia BKP is good enough we don't need uh not so high strength In the case of paper board whiteboard but the liner liner for making liner board we mixed two kind of pal main recycled p in this case we need small amount of long fiber long fiber means any k right so that mainly We we like to to make the rhino bowl strongness of the dragon board and using recycled fibers.

[01:42:09]We need to put a small amount of soft this cannot substitute by casia that's the my meaning of my answer impossible but it depends on the pathway papers you understand so am I I'm sorry I have no time so and my English is not so good. So and maybe if we have enough time we like to discuss. Uh yes I'm sure I will be here again.

[01:43:04]Okay, thank you prof uh the question or is there any question again from participant?

[01:43:21]You will choose the best participant.

[01:43:30]Forech.

[01:43:53]Yeah.

[01:43:56]Index.

[01:44:02]Yeah, in the slide uh you said that the strength of mechanical of acia uh higher higher than a sweat. Yeah.

[01:44:14]Wow.

[01:44:24]>> Hi guys.

[01:44:26]That's >> why uh uh why uh >> why?

[01:44:40]So in this case uh as I said before first Z ratio to several ratio but in this case we need to consider about the final fiber shape feature. So I show you the next data.

[01:45:05]Okay.

[01:45:07]So in May please please watch the density density okay accashia density accasha density is higher than ukaras density of ukaras in the range of 0.38 0.40 447 but attach okay P 0.44 0.67 67 are higher than you can attach. Okay.

[01:45:48]And the next question is why density is higher, right? So it depend on the fiber shift. So we need to get the next slide later.

[01:46:01]Next slide. You can see excuse me this is the final mount.

[01:46:08]Anyway, very good question.

[01:46:12]Thank you.

[01:46:13]>> Okay.

[01:46:23]Okay.

[01:46:24]Okay. Is there any question from the participant?

[01:46:33]Uh maybe profi can choose one of the best participant.

[01:46:40]>> Of course I cannot.

[01:46:46]>> Yeah. All of the question now. Very very good question. Yes. Yes. We don't need to choose one or please continue. Okay.

[01:46:59]>> Yeah.

[01:47:00]>> Okay. Uh thank you for all participant who asked the question maybe for the committee will give the merchandise for all. Uh thank you profi already uh give uh the uh the answer for discussing discussion >> and uh thank you already give us a lot of knowledge and maybe next uh we can learn more about uh the uh topic. Yeah. Uh and profi will uh have a flight today and then have a good trip and say okay Now we continue to second speaker in zoom platform profit park already enter the zoom and I would like to introduce profong South Korea national nationality he is republic of Korea now he is professor mathematics information technology ology in Jakarta International University, JU academic advisor, advisor Alpam M at JU founder living class CEO and founder tripling international or education entrepreneurship biiobased circular and then economic doing a lot of researchers biomass verify sustainable functional carbon material biio refineries Renewable chemicals, indust industrial biotechnology, biiobased chemicals and fuels, applications of AI in education and industrial biotechnology.

[01:49:21]He graduated his PhD in Korea at PS Institute of Science and Technology Biochemical Engineering doing a lot of experience like become chief technology officers and business development.

[01:49:37]Professor Ojin Pang will present the topic various commercial applications of lignen from different biorefiners.

[01:49:48]Bi-refining is a facility that uses biomass to produce bio energy chemicals and other products. Lignin is chemical contained that want to be removed from p and paper product. So lignen will become bofro. Lignin will be used as biopoly, bioethanol, bofuel and also material cosmetic.

[01:50:16]Okay ladies and gentlemen for the details we will hear the presentations from pro jinfa 20 minutes time is yours.

[01:50:32]>> Okay thank you Ibui.

[01:50:36]Um yeah, thank you for this opportunity to uh share uh my experience with uh functional materials from trees today. Um and also I uh thank uh professor Edwin for inviting me for this wonderful webinar and also I'm glad to meet u professor Hiroshi ohi from Japan. Yeah hope to yeah interact with you in the future. Okay, today for around 20 minutes I want to share about the potential of ligonins uh the material of the future.

[01:51:25]So I'll introduce several commercial applications of ligonins from different bio-refineries.

[01:51:32]I'm teaching at uh Jakarta International University and also I'm CEO of link international on LinkedIn SNS. I'm also running uh ligonium plus uh for uh networking with the uh people involved in big in research and commercialization.

[01:51:56]Okay, next slide.

[01:51:58]Um so yeah right now the industry and the society is experiencing uh slow transition from carbon uh slow transition from a material source from petroleum to renewable uh resources. So Nova Institute of Germany initiated the renewable carbon initiative. So three carbon sources are from uh CO2 and then renewable carbon and waste carbon. So also United States America Chemical Society recently published a paper green chemical initiative. These kinds of initiatives are emphasizing the transition of materials we use in everyday life and industrial materials from fossil uh resources to renewable resources. So yeah this kind of u materials not just to you know think about the source but also the ultimate degradation.

[01:53:15]But today uh we want to focus on just the natural source of our materials from renewable sources.

[01:53:25]Okay, next slide.

[01:53:31]Uh not just these kind of um organizations but industries moving faster than um academics or these kind of organizations. For example, Continental, the German manufacturer of tires, they uh introduced the green tires. So they um put recycle material 17% in the tire and also renewable raw materials like a plant source around 35%.

[01:54:07]uh this kind of move is not just uh one company but this kind of movement is spreading to all industries right now.

[01:54:17]Next slide.

[01:54:21]So what is biorefineries?

[01:54:23]The paper pulp pulping is also one kind of biorefinery. So biio-refiner is a facility that uses biomass to produce bio energy, chemicals and other products. So biorefineries are similar to petroleum refineries. We produce different kinds of uh uh products from the refineries. As you know petroleum refineries are very efficient so that almost all 100% of raw materials can be uh used for different products. So biorefineries are also targeting 100% of raw materials can be used in uh production of um fuels and also materials. That's the biorefineries.

[01:55:14]Next slide.

[01:55:22]So let's uh talk about indust Indonesian situations. Indonesia announced making Indonesia 4.0 to actively respond to the fourth industrial revolution and investing in large scale system maintenance and R&D or ICT based industrial technology development.

[01:55:46]But here not only um the ICT based but uh you can see here on the right hand side food and beverage and textile apparel, automotive and electronics chemicals. These sectors are you know requiring many different kinds of materials but most of them are derived from petroleum sources.

[01:56:21]Next slide.

[01:56:25]So if you zoom in the Indonesia they the Indonesia is the richest country in terms of the amount of biomass produced annually. So Indonesia is the world's number one biomass related industry but due to reckless development of biomass industries various environmental problems economic sanctions are being imposed. For example, biomass are burned after harvesting uh of rice or the palm oil residues. So we can u economically develop the processes to utilize these kinds of biomass to produce fuels and also functional materials from palm oil and then rice, coconut, sugar cane, casava and also trees.

[01:57:24]So from these uh plants we can produce different kinds of waste materials. If we use these waste materials for uh functional materials then we can increase the value of the uh rural economy and also we can reduce the impact of uh the burning of these waste materials.

[01:57:50]Next slide.

[01:57:54]For example, Clapasawi the palm oil biorefinery produces the first main product is oil for cooking and also other industrial chemicals.

[01:58:09]But not just this kind of oil. Next slide.

[01:58:15]We produce from kapasawid. We also produce empty fruit bunch. Right now I understand most of these cropas empty fruit punch is used for uh fertilizer for uh plants. But yeah it is good uh use but also we can divest the use of this uh biomass in other uh applications.

[01:58:44]Next slide.

[01:58:46]So uh globally uh industries are working um to produce um different materials from biomass plant biomass. For example, uh Stoenzo Finland company is producing cellulose from uh conventional pulp mills and there are other uh p meals.

[01:59:13]But there are second generation cellulogic biio-refinery from uh wheat straw for example uh clarient a German company they plan they started operation their second generation celluloic bio-refinery for producing bioethanol in uh Romania and there are other Indian companies and also Brazil companies means which try to uh produce bioethanol from waste uh liinal cellulose.

[01:59:52]Next slide.

[01:59:55]For example, Raisin uh is a Brazilian company. From sugar cane they produce um um bioethanol but uh from bioethanol is produced from cellulose materials.

[02:00:14]when cellulose is degraded to produce glucose which can be converted to bioethanyl but still there are 30% of ligonine waste material from the sugar cane bio-refinery so they came up with the u vertero uh company to produce ligonine u drive bofuel there.

[02:00:45]Next slide.

[02:00:49]And depending on the extraction processes of uh materials from biio-refinery, we can produce different materials. For example, uh these three examples, Origin and UPM biochemicals and Fton Bio2X demonstrated that using different extraction processes, we can produce different products. So origin materials produced the uh terapalic acid the material one of the monomers used in uh the bottles and also UPM produce ethyline glycol and also RFF. I'll show you later what is RF and then Finnish company Fum use different processes for extraction.

[02:01:46]They use organosol ligonine to produce fur and acetic acid and also ligonine.

[02:01:55]Next slide.

[02:01:59]So from the same raw materials for example uh trees trees composed of 30% ligonine 50% cellulose 20% hemiselos for perpass in the trees but there are different uh biorefinary companies they are producing different products from the trees. So uh at the bottom origin and UPM liin industries and vibolor those companies are producing uh not cellulose but different products from um trees.

[02:02:43]Next slide.

[02:02:46]So yeah I understand there are students who are studying pulp and papers. I understand you already learn a lot about cellulose and pp but yeah ligonine is produced in perp but usually they are burnt for energy purpose for uh perps.

[02:03:12]So the rigonine is aromatic materials three-dimensional amorphos aromatic polymer. So it's a natural glue in the fiber and then only one to 2% are used in uh value added products. So as I said majority is burned as fuel. Next slide.

[02:03:41]So uh I uh worked before I came here to Indonesia, I worked in a startup company in Korea.

[02:03:51]Uh the name is Ligonum. The lignonum bio refinary process is different from uh UPM and also Fibon. They use um uh acid treatment for partial hydraysis of cellulose and then during the process ligonine is condensed and then ligonine is produced as the major material in the biorefinery. So they are commercializing the ligonine material. Ligonine is not bio byproduct from this biorefinery. It is the main material. So we uh can say that first come first served we can uh find the application of this uh ligonine. This ligonine is different from craft ligonine from conventional meals. So we have to find the application because nobody tried this kind of ligonine in the industrial applications. So I want to share a little bit of uh the product development I was involved in the uh the company.

[02:04:59]Okay. Next slide.

[02:05:03]Yeah. So this is the same image of safe uh sustainable safe environment friendly innovative filler. So here the ligonine produced in this process contains microfibral cellulose as well.

[02:05:19]So this ligonine is different from other ligonines. So uh here you can see the fibers and also the uh ligon materials.

[02:05:33]Next slide.

[02:05:36]So we can add the um safe in different uh applications.

[02:05:44]uh to uh get approval from biomass derived materials, we uh uh underwent the approval process from America department of uh uh energy um biomass certifi certification and compared to other fillers, this organic filler is lightweight and then toxic free because It is organic and also uh this filler does not pollute the the nature because the conventional fillers like tar uh derived from mines.

[02:06:26]So uh safe filler is not polluting. Next slide.

[02:06:34]Okay. So the first application of our safe filler is in the car parts automotive parts. So we put our filler in the car parts, door trims and tail tailgate of the commercial vehicles so that the car parts can be lighter than uh car parts using t inorganic fillers.

[02:06:59]Next slide.

[02:07:02]And this kind of uh success can uh uh apply to other uh brands. So we tested with other commercial uh automotive uh parts and also uh our safe filler can be mixed with biodegradable polymers like PLA so that the we can use the fillers in 3D printing filament.

[02:07:32]Next slide.

[02:07:37]And another benefit of these safe filler derived from ligonine is lightweight.

[02:07:45]So if the vehicles become lightweight then we can save energy. So while running uh in the lifetime of the vehicle we can save a lot of energy that leads to the reduction of CO2 emission.

[02:08:04]Next slide.

[02:08:08]Yeah, this is the simplified diagram of the extraction process and the final products from uh trees using uh liggonom's uh proprietary process. Next slide.

[02:08:27]and ligonine from other companies like UPM biochemicals used in um robbo products as well. So RFF renewable functional fillers these fillers are different from ligonom's safe filler because the extraction process different. So ligonine can replace carbon black or ethyl propane diam monomer in the uh automotive weather strip to preventing the penetration of water in the vehicles. So in this case more than 90% of carbon reduction and lightweight compared to uh carbon black.

[02:09:13]Next slide.

[02:09:17]And also Finnish tires, Nokia tires, they develop green step lia concept tire. So they use lia uh ligonine from Fibon company and then they uh this kind of uh replacement represent a concrete step concrete step towards more sustainable transport. Next slide.

[02:09:45]Yeah. So as I said in the beginning the like a petroleum biorefinery if in biorefinery also from the raw material to the product. So every uh part of trees should be uh uh you know utilized for products not just the cellulose but also ligonine. So in this slide, ligonine industries they are using many different kinds of ligonines from different um biorefineries even mills they use craft lianine to put in their process to produce a renor which can be integrated in the uh everyday goods so that uh we can um make the product more circular.

[02:10:41]Next slide.

[02:10:45]And it you usually the lignon produced from bio-refiners are black not black uh the green brown color but recently Swiss company bloom bio-renewables they use alihide assisted fractionation technology to produce white ligonines.

[02:11:05]So because the ligonines are different so we can use this material in cosmetics and more value added applications. Next slide.

[02:11:19]Yeah this slide shows that the ligonine industries they are using renol which contains different ligonines from different biorefineries. They tested different kinds of ligonines from different uh uh sources. This slide shows that the after some test we can see which kind of ligonine is best for each application. So as we get uh liggonines more liggonines different kinds of liggonines you can see more applications of liggonines industrial applications. Next slide.

[02:12:01]Okay, this is my uh presentation. If you have any questions. Yeah, you're very welcome.

[02:12:12]Okay.

[02:12:34]from Oklahoma.

[02:13:07]Mhm.

[02:13:12]>> Any question from the audience or >> Oh yeah.

[02:13:25]Um good afternoon professor Jinpa. My name is Leah. I am from palm oil processing technology.

[02:13:36]>> H >> I want to ask about uh what is the advantage to produce SIF from liin and what is the impact on the environment? Thank you.

[02:13:52]Okay. Uh the advantage of uh sustainable and safe uh environment friendly innovation filler we call safe bofiller.

[02:14:05]Uh it is using uh sawdust. When you process trees you can generate sawdust. So sawdust has applications in other um other applications but sawdust is produced in you know uh sawmills. So we can use actually uh raw materials uh waste raw materials. So we are using waste raw materials for the uh process.

[02:14:41]Another advantage is that safe finds different applications in not just the car parts and also rubbers and also yeah rubricant applications and so these kind of applications was not developed before with ligonies from other sources like a craft ligonine and also the safe filler derived from uh ligonom's biorefinery is order free.

[02:15:13]Crafty liggonine has uh sulfur.

[02:15:18]Uh crafty ligignine usually contains sulfur but lignum safe filler is order free. That means we can use that for interior parts. So that's why we tried in automotive interior parts like door trims and tailgates. Yeah. These are the yeah some of advantages of safe bofiller.

[02:15:45]Okay. Thank you.

[02:15:51]Okay. There's a >> you miss and next question.

[02:16:01]Is there next question?

[02:16:05]I can see here I have a question from Bambang from P.

[02:16:11]Thank you professor Park for valuable knowledge. Are there any quality requirements that need to be met for ligonine to be turned into a value added product because ligonine produce from the craft process contains yes high sulfur and how to reduce sulfur from craft ligonine?

[02:16:31]uh [clears throat] I'm not a expert in desulfurization of craft ligonine but it c it add cost for uh crafty liggonine to desulfize but uh there are other applications of crafty liggonines they can be used in uh uh road pavement like aspart they can replace aspart for road pavement And also crafty ligignine can also be used in adhesive for wood panel. So yeah even crafty ligignine there are lots of applications and then yeah a lot of research is going on to yeah make money from craft lianins. So yeah there are many reviews about uh liggonine applications of yeah craft liggonine. So yeah, if you uh send me email, I can yeah share the uh reviews and then we can talk more about the commercial potential applications of craft liin even in Indonesia. So I know several groups working on um yeah ligines in Indonesian academic community. So yeah, thank you for the question Mr. Bum bum.

[02:18:08]>> What would you >> Hello.

[02:18:23]>> Hello. I'm here.

[02:18:29]applic material.

[02:18:59]by processive dairy battery.

[02:19:28]Additive.

[02:19:31]>> Yes. Um Yeah.

[02:19:41]>> Yeah. So, ligonine also can be used in battery as a another material. So store ends also tried this uh opportunity and then uh other companies also try to use ligonine as graphin another carbon materials. So we'll see more developments from liggonins but right now graphite is the main another material in um battery but in the future you can see uh liggonines in the uh car as a carbon materials in the battery applications.

[02:20:30]That's what I expect. Thank you.

[02:20:44]Okay.

[02:20:58]Okay. Yeah.

[02:21:02]Miss Ajam.

[02:21:06]>> Okay. Good afternoon uh prof Joshua. My name from uh pump and pepper technology process. Uh I have uh one research about lignosulos.

[02:21:27]Uh I get muscle loss from extracias and then uh result of uh big no loss applicated to dry strain in uh ground paper.

[02:21:49]Uh I have uh I have problem about uh color of lignian.

[02:22:01]Uh if we application application uh lignos cellulos to uh white paper I cannot remove uh the color brown uh brown color from the solid. Can you give me uh solution how to remove the color of liquid? Thank you.

[02:22:37]>> Okay. Thank you, Ibu. Um yeah, is the final application the the purpose of extraction is getting cellulose or liggonine? Can I ask you one more time?

[02:22:57]So the final is the final goal of your extraction is to get cellulose or what is the final product for your extraction process?

[02:23:16]>> Yeah. Uh my My final product is lignoserulus.

[02:23:25]Lignosulus uh combine uh some chemical to every uh dry strain dry strain in brown paper.

[02:23:39]But uh we have problem in color from le no cellulus.

[02:23:48]Can you give me solution for uh for remove the color?

[02:23:57]>> Okay. Um yeah I'm not a paper chemist but uh yeah the extraction process I don't know what is the extraction process but as far as I know even in paper making to produce white color paper they are going through bleaching process to remove color of lignonins.

[02:24:24]So yeah depending on the uh extraction process depending on the final product you are targeting yeah you have to think about the color issue but in the case of bloom bio renewables the target is white ligonine so they use the different extraction process alihide assist fractionation so yeah it's a long-standing process of a craft of harping. So depending on the uh extraction process uh we can get different ligonines and different products sometimes cellulose can be degraded or cellulose can be converted to other biochemicals. So depending on the demand and also applications yeah it's not easy to develop a commercial process but yeah you have to systematically what is the demand of the biochemicals from biorefineries at the moment that's what I can Hey.

[02:25:48]Okay. Is there any question?

[02:25:55]Okay.

[02:25:57]Uh if enough uh profuse can choose who is the best uh participant who ask from Leah and then neural and then also in online right >> the bum bang the question from Bambang from I can choose the question as the best question from my side but thank you for every question.

[02:26:43]Okay.

[02:26:58]this seminars and also uh thank you for all participant already asked in this session and uh we already hear about uh two great speakers.

[02:27:16]Uh let me make some conclusion. The first from prof Oente.

[02:27:23]Uh he already uh explained about the chemical contains of fiber are cellulose and lignine. And cellulose is a polymer of glucose.

[02:27:37]Lgnine is a polymer of cerilline type and D uh type monomer. Glucose is simple carbohydrate.

[02:27:48]And we already hear about the structure of type of carbohydra. The difference in fiber same effect difference in p strength. As example uh for raw material acia and autus as raw material which uh has length of acia is higher than alalictus and fiber white of acassia is lower than ecalyptus and we can choose the best material from the raw material to making uh pow and paper from the physical properties and then comparisons of extreme properties between acassia and alictus.

[02:28:40]uh before antiatic treatment like tensile index acassia higher than alkalic tus brightness of acassia lower than alkalicus and also from oian park we got some lessons like five sectors were selected for making Indonesian 4.0 zero like a food beverage, textile and apparel, automotive, electricals, uh electronics, chemicals and Indonesia has the world's number one of biomass related industry.

[02:29:20]Uh the example of biomass like rice and sugar cane and pound uh canel cell, coconut cell uh wood waste and then uh stroke but uh the reckless development of biomass industry uh various environmental problems and economic sanctions are being imposed. So, our duty as Indonesian people uh to utilize uh the abundant of biomass and fix all of the problems uh that happens.

[02:30:02]Uh I think that's all for me as moderator. Uh I apologize if there is a mistake. Thanks for your attention.

[02:30:19]I give back the time to [snorts] Okay, thank you very much Mr. for the STMP for guiding the session. We hope that the knowledge uh we have here today will be beneficial and important our insight. So before we conclude, will Professor Hiro COE like to share any final remarks please?

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