Alex Murdaugh & Kouri Richins... What Happened Today

Added: 2026-05-15

[00:00:01]What happened today? I mean, what happened today? What a day in true crime.

[00:00:10]Holy cow.

[00:00:12]Got a lot to talk about. Welcome everyone. I'm Vinnie Palletan. Um, let me just give you the headline here that I'm going to talk a lot about this.

[00:00:23]Alec Murdoch wins his appeal. And I just want you to know what an incredible advantage he will have in his second trial that he did not have in his first trial. He's in a better position going in to a retrial than he was going into his first trial with that presumption of innocence. That's a big headline we're going to talk about. We're going to talk about Corey Richens getting sentenced today. Um, but everyone obviously talking about Alec Murdoch. This thing just boom exploded today. Absolutely exploded. So, we got a lot to cover and and you know, I've been busy. We're getting ready for the um relaunch of VPI Vinnie Palitan Investigates on Court TV and on YouTube on Court TV's channel on YouTube. So, that's starting Monday. So, I've been really busy with that. getting ready for that. But with what happened today, I was like, "Listen, I gotta carve some time tonight because we need to talk about this. We need to talk about this wild day in true crime." Um, great to have you board. We're going to be here for a while, so uh, pull up a seat, get your beverage ready. Um, I I I'm still shocked, though. I am still absolutely shocked by what has transpired here. Um, but we'll get to it all. I am Vinnie Palitan and ladies and gentlemen, what you're about to experience is Vinnie Live.

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[00:03:10]All right. Welcome to Vinnie Live. It's great to have you um here on this again wild night in the world of of true crime. We we you know you get these days every once in a while. Um so when they happen, you know, you need to think about it. So this was such a big trial, such a big case, Alec Murdoch, and it and it, you know, the first time it came across my desk, I was like, "Oh, this is an interesting case, you know, um what exactly is going on here?" here. So, we started tracking it. We're like, "Okay, yeah, this is one obviously we want to cover, read up on the the boat crash and was trying to figure out, oh, was the boat crash related to what happened to Alec Murdoch's family? Could it be one of the victims of the boat crash that that took out his family as revenge?"

[00:03:58]Um, and that's what a lot of people were thinking. Then there was the crazy roadside shooting, the one that uh you know involved cousin Eddie. But when that happened, the the case in my mind went from, okay, this is a really interesting case, you know, maybe it's about here, you know, and then all of a sudden it was here. Then the documentaries come out and it is through the roof. And then we get down to Walterboro, um, South Carolina down in Colton County, and oh my goodness, what a case. And then it takes, you know, six weeks, seven weeks, whatever it took.

[00:04:34]Um, unbelievable. Um, but for those of you who haven't been paying attention, today the Supreme Court of South Carolina came back and they overturned his conviction.

[00:04:47]He is no longer a convicted uh double red rummer, double murderer, family annihilator. Um, it's back to um square one for prosecutors. They have the financial crime convictions. They have those. He's serving decades behind prison. Sort of admitted to all that stuff. Um, but he's never admitted to to this and he never will. He never will.

[00:05:13]So, there's not going to be a deal. This case is going to have to be retrieded.

[00:05:16]And what I'm hearing from from the folks down in South Carolina is that there's an election coming up, so there'll be someone else ultimately in charge of the case, like the head prosecutor, attorney general. Um, but everyone in the campaign trail is saying yes, they will in fact seek a second trial. When a criminal defendant wins, and this is almost all the time, once in a blue moon, a case just gets thrown out. Um, but overturn just means we go back to square one. We go back to, okay, he's been charged with this crime. He's presumed innocent, and now it's time for a trial. and let the litigation begin, right? And it's it's like starting all over. So, all the all the pre-trial motions that happened once will likely be relitigated to a certain extent. Um especially when it comes to uh some of the things that will be allowed or not allowed in the retrial. Now, off the top, I said that, let me put these let me put these up here. I'm sorry. Um, off the top I said, "Listen, um, there's there's an advantage right now that the defense had that they didn't have before. The evidence is still there, folks. The evidence doesn't go away. Overturning this has nothing to do with the evidence against Alec Murdoch. It has to do with what happened down there and the absolute insanity of what happened down there.

[00:06:48]And Becky Hill was the court clerk. And when I went down there, I I haven't covered a ton of trials in South Carolina through the years, you know, here and there a couple. Um, but it was a real small town. Like a real real small town. And part of the fact that it's a real small town is that this was, and I was saying this all through the trial, I said big trial, small town, small town, big trial. And what happened was the enormity of the trial and the situation and everything that was happening um I guess impacted the court clerk Becky Hill and how she was doing her job.

[00:07:34]And it started with this idea that she was going to write a book. She was going to write a book. Now, did she think she was gonna get rich from this book?

[00:07:42]She had never written a book before.

[00:07:45]um she had to get help to write the book, but like did she think that this was like a meal ticket or was this just someone caught up in all of this and like, well, write a book about it because this is an unbelievable experience. Like this is unreal. Like we're in Walter Burough, South Carolina.

[00:08:02]Nothing like this happens here. We're never the focus of the nation.

[00:08:08]And I don't know, it got to her head. it got to her head and she just she was not seeing or thinking clearly at all.

[00:08:17]Some believe that there's some you know there's something wrong with her that you know she she she you know had an agenda and all that. I don't know. I just think the moment was too big for her and it just washed over and she was lost. This whole thing was o this whole thing was over her head.

[00:08:39]And it's a shame because now the whole thing's got to be tried again.

[00:08:44]And it was a long expensive trial and and you're still going to have to find 18 jurors, 12 who will deliberate, six alternates because it's a long case.

[00:08:54]You're going to need those alternates.

[00:08:56]So you'll you'll find them. Trust me, you'll find the jury. Don't worry about that. But there's a lot of reasons for the advantage here. But before I get to that, before I get to the advantage the defense is going to have, what did Becky Hill do? She's a court clerk. She works for the state. She's like an arm of the of the state, right? She is the judges and the judge was very close with her.

[00:09:18]Like her and the judge kind of worked together to get this thing going. And her responsibility sort of was the jury, right? But it wasn't like to tell the jury what to do, to talk to the jury about the case. It was to get them lunch, make sure they show up on time.

[00:09:35]If you have problems, you call me, make sure they don't speak to anyone.

[00:09:40]And she spoke to jurors about the case, giving them like instructions on what to do. And some of the jurors, at least one, felt intimidated by what she was doing. And remember, when you're a juror, who do you look towards for guidance through the whole process? It's the judge. You look at the judge for everything. I was a juror. I was doing the same thing. Judge, what do we do next? Tell me the law. Tell me what I'm supposed to do. We're listening to you.

[00:10:14]And it was obvious that the judge and the clerk had this relationship. So like, like it was almost as if the clerk was an arm of the judge. So if she is saying anything to this jury or to a juror or jerars, it has incredible weight. It has more weight than if she overhars, you know, the guy from Court TV screaming outside the courthouse like you can ignore him.

[00:10:39]But are you going to ignore the judge or someone close to the judge, someone who works for the court? No. It's going to have an incredible impact.

[00:10:49]And I never understood how he even got this far to the Supreme Court. How in the the other hearings where they brought in an old Supreme Court justice, uh, retired one, uh, to interview the jurors to find out if they were influenced by this, like after listening to him and listening to the testimony, like why would you say no, this is okay? Because it's not okay. This has nothing to do with whether or not I think Alec Murdoch is guilty. You know what I think? You watch the trial. I watched the trial. To me, it was obvious based on the evidence.

[00:11:23]But we can't have our jurors influenced at all by anything, let alone someone who works for the court.

[00:11:35]And that was Becky Hill.

[00:11:40]And that's why it got overturned. Like to me, it's a bright line. It's like was like obvious from the beginning. You can't she can't do that. Can she do that? Now, the only reason I thought maybe, just maybe, they'd let it slide is like wink and a nod. We all know he's guilty. We all saw the evidence. We heard the trial and we don't want to do it again. So, we come up with a way, and sometimes judges or justices will do this. They know what the result is, and they'll figure out a way to kind of maneuver the opinion. But this was so blatant and so bad and would be such bad precedent. president because then if you allow this then in future trials what protection is there for other defendants and some who may be wrongfully accused being influenced by someone connected to the court that can't be. It's insane.

[00:12:34]It's absolutely it's bonkers.

[00:12:38]So this decision while having shock value is not really shocking based upon what actually happened. The shocking part is is that the court clerk spoke to the jurors about, you know, watching the defendant, you know, you know, don't making comments about the substance of the case, especially just before Alec Murdoch took the witness stand, which was the biggest moment in the case.

[00:13:12]I I and then even the the the the secret dismissal of the egg lady was a big problem too. This was a juror who was leaning towards Murdoch and and it seems that they sort of found out that she was kind of leaning that way and she ends up getting dismissed from the jury. That was a problem too.

[00:13:34]And it wasn't that wasn't done really out in the open.

[00:13:38]That was not done in the open for the public to see. And to me, that was very problematic that you're dismissing a juror. We find out that juror was leaning one way and then we find out why the juror was dismissed and it was much to do seemingly about nothing.

[00:13:54]So that's how we got here. Okay, that's how we got here. So let let me talk about the advantage now that the defense has.

[00:14:04]Usually the rule is the golden rule is in every retrial advantage prosecution.

[00:14:11]And most of the times we have a retrial after we've had a hung jury. Prosecutors figure out where their shortcomings were. You know, maybe the defense showed their cards for the first time. Now you know how to deal with that so you could be a little more proactive in your case.

[00:14:24]And most of the time, uh, we did say that that the Karen Reed case was going to be an exception and it was. Um, this one too is an exception as to who gains the advantage second time around.

[00:14:38]The difference though is the the evidence still exists. But some of that financial evidence, the financial crimes, which you know for prosecutors is a big part of their case because it became the motivation to answer the ultimate question which becomes the most difficult hurdle for prosecutors and the most difficult hurdle for some jurors to be convinced. Why would this man annihilate his family? Why would he do that? Why on earth would Alec Murdoch do that? Well, to understand that, you've got to take the jury down this this this path and this journey of all the things that Alec Murdoch was doing where he was ripping off all these clients and all these people who were, you know, not people of wealth, people who needed and trusted him. And all that came out, some of it initially, more of it was opened, the door was opened by the defense. You know, some of the things that Alec Murdoch said and some of the other testimony that came out through questioning open the door for a lot of that evidence. Well, a lot of that's not going to come in in the retrial. It's going to be much more focused, much more limited, and the mistakes that were made by the defense first time around in opening the door for some of that very incriminating evidence won't be opened second time around.

[00:15:59]And my guess is Murdoch's not testifying. He tried that once. I think he learned his lesson. I don't think he's going to testify again. So there's much less of a a chance of him testifying, which was, you know, what a horrific witness. He was horrific.

[00:16:15]Anyway, he's not going to testify. I don't think he will. So, he won't open the door uh for prosecutors to let in more of this character evidence and this these other evidence of things that he did to all these people through all these years that painted a much clearer picture of who this guy is. The defense is going to be able to really limit that. this time around.

[00:16:39]They also have a much better idea of how good the prosecutor is and what his ultimate argument is going to be and how it's going to resonate, what the experts are going to say, how they're going to put all that together. Watch the defense retooling their expert testimony when it comes to um you know angles of of of shots and because that was a disaster.

[00:17:03]We know Dr. Kenn Kenneet Kinsey destroyed the defense. Well, the defense is going to come back with a new expert and a new theory on all that. They'll come back with a new expert talking about the cell phone. They're going to be retoled. Um and and they're the ones who have to tighten up their case. like they tried a nice case but like prosecutors were were like controlling that courtroom were controlling the flow and and and got in so many things that second time around may very well not come in because of how the defense tries the case. Defense I think is going to shrink their case.

[00:17:41]They're going to make it a little smaller. There's not going to be an Alec Murdoch. Their experts are going to be sharper, going to be tighter. They're going to clean up those mistakes because that's where they lost. They lost through the experts. They lost through Alec Murdoch opening the door. That's not going to happen second time around.

[00:17:56]They're going to be much stronger on those points.

[00:17:59]Just like Karen Reed and their their experts were stronger second time around.

[00:18:05]That's going the defense is going to be stronger second time around. Now, the biggest advantage that the defense is going to have is going to be the jury.

[00:18:17]And you say, "Wait, wait, wait, Vinnie.

[00:18:19]What are you talking about? What are you talking about?" Everybody knows.

[00:18:21]Everybody saw the trial. Yeah. Yeah. Of course, everybody saw the Everybody in South Carolina knows about the case now.

[00:18:27]A lot of them knew beforehand, but they didn't know. No know until that trial came out. And this thing just, you know, dominated everything. Dominated everyone's cell phone, everyone's television, everyone's computer. talking at the coffee shop when you're getting your your um whatever you're getting your uh what I don't know that steak place that I went to down there where I had the show. Wherever wherever you're going, that's all they're talking about.

[00:18:54]So, people in South Carolina, whether it's the Low Country or other parts of the state, they know this case much, much better now. Well, how does that make an advantage for the defense? Well, it makes an advantage for the defense because you're only going to get on the jury people who have not yet been convinced.

[00:19:18]I couldn't be on the jury because I would answer honestly during voadier.

[00:19:22]Yeah, I saw the evidence. Yeah. Uh, no, I'm not going to be voting not guilty.

[00:19:27]So, the only people left who can serve on the jury are those who either are under a rock and know nothing about the case or those who know about the case but still still are not convinced that Alec Murdoch is guilty.

[00:19:47]Think about that advantage. That's the advantage that another defendant had.

[00:19:52]Oh, I got to say her name. Do I have to say her name?

[00:19:56]Another defendant from Central Florida, from Orlando, her daughter was Kaylee Marie Anthony. Everybody in Central Florida knew that story inside and out.

[00:20:08]And they ended up with 12 people who despite all the evidence which was which was in the public domain, right? It's Florida. Like everybody knew the evidence that it was the the the story for years for years before the trial.

[00:20:24]And they found 12 people. Yeah, we know about the case, but we still think um that you know we don't we can presume her innocent. We haven't been convinced.

[00:20:34]You can convince us otherwise.

[00:20:37]And that's who was left like the remainder like these are the people that are left all the people like like many of you maybe not all of you but many of you and me we couldn't serve on that jury. We would be great prosecution jurors. We are eliminated.

[00:20:55]So, who's left?

[00:20:57]People who, despite all this evidence that we've seen and heard publicly that still have not been convinced, that's an advantage for the defense.

[00:21:12]They have an advantage with the jury going in second time. They have the knowledge of all the mistakes that were made. They have the advantage of not having to put Murdoch on the stand. They have the advantage of limiting some of that evidence about all the horrible things that Alec Murdoch was doing to people who trusted him.

[00:21:39]So, where does that leave us? Right, we're at square one. Prosecutors got to put their case. You're starting the whole process again. So, I don't know when this trial will be. Maybe in a year.

[00:21:51]Will the same defense attorneys come in?

[00:21:53]I believe that they'll stick with him.

[00:21:59]I think they'll I think they'll stick with him whether or not he has money or not.

[00:22:04]I don't think they're going anywhere.

[00:22:05]Maybe they'll get some extra help from some people who may volunteer uh to be his attorney. But that's where we are tonight on Alec Murdoch.

[00:22:13]Square one retrial, presumption of innocence, and an advantage that the defense has second time around that they didn't have first time around.

[00:22:26]But prosecutors still have their evidence.

[00:22:29]They still have their evidence. They're just going to have to be even sharper second time around. It's not easy prosecuting someone. It's going to be a big long um heavily contested trial, might we say.

[00:22:45]Okay, so that's Alec Murdoch.

[00:22:49]Get to some of your comments on that and then we'll deal with Corey Richens coming up. But this is this is a big day. There have been other big cases that have been overturned, but not I don't think like to this level this quickly.

[00:23:07]And um yeah, I I was waiting for it. I I actually posted on Facebook like the day before saying um there are some legitimate issues here. You know, it wouldn't necessarily be shocking and it could come down any day and then all of a sudden today um it happened, right?

[00:23:26]So, all right. I'm just scrolling here through uh some of the comments. I you know me, I like to make sure I hit the supers and I get to others as well. Oh, here's a good question. I'll just go with this one first. Vinnie, where have you been? Where have I been? I'm getting ready for the relaunch of my show. So, uh Vinnie Palitan investigates. You know, there have been some changes at Court TV and it's um yeah, you know, it takes a lot when you're redoing everything and getting ready to go again, but it all starts on Monday.

[00:23:57]Every night 8:00 on Court TV, you'll see my show and the show will be posted on Court TV's YouTube channel as well. Um part of the mission of the new Court TV now is this increased digital social media presence. So, we're going to be ramping that up and a big part of that is uh my show Vinnie Palitan Investigates will be um pushed onto YouTube as well. So, folks that are watching me right now on YouTube or social media, you'll be able to go to Court TV's YouTube channel every night and catch Vinnie Palletan Investigates.

[00:24:32]Um but if you like to watch on TV, which a lot of us do, it'll be on every night at 8 o'clock as well. So, um there you have. That's where Vinnie has been.

[00:24:40]Okay. That's where Vinnie has been. Uh, I'm just gonna scroll here a little bit.

[00:24:52]And we've got all right, Blue 55 R8.

[00:25:00]Missed you, Vin. Missed you, too. But there'll be a lot more of me. There's going to be a lot more of me. It's just the the the, you know, the transition period. the transition, the ramping up, all the changes that are taking place everywhere. Um, a big part of this, but thank you very much.

[00:25:19]And Lori Kurrian Cooney, this is unbelievable. Come on. Come on. He's guilty. That has nothing to do with it.

[00:25:28]Has nothing to do with it. You know, but one of the tests for sometimes is despite all these problems was there's still so much evidence that the conviction needs to stand. Most of the time that's what the the justices will kind of lean on in a case like this. But this was so egregious, so over the top, so over the line what Becky Hill did.

[00:25:49]Um, you know, the the jury, the sanctity of the jury cannot be tampered with. And South Carolina has clarified that, the Supreme Court has with this decision.

[00:26:00]So, um, yeah, it's unbelievable, but there's really only one person to blame for that.

[00:26:10]All right. And Dramatic Popcorn. OMG, Vinnie, love the new background. Yes, it's the new Vinnie Live. It's the new Vinnie Live. Thank you so much, Dramatic Popcorn. Great name. All right, still scrolling through here. A little bit behind. And we've got Michelle 2773.

[00:26:28]Excited for VPI on Monday. Yes, me too.

[00:26:31]It's going to be amazing. Uh, it's going to be awesome and uh, I think you're going to enjoy it. I think you're going to enjoy the new the best way. It's got like a new vibe to it. Okay, it's got a new vibe, but I think that vibe is going to work for you. I think you're going to like it. I know. I'm I'm enjoying it.

[00:26:52]The rehearsals and whatnot. Rehearsals.

[00:26:57]Let's see. I'm just scrolling. I'm scrolling. I'm scrolling. You know me.

[00:27:02]I'm always a few minutes behind. Usually about 20 minutes behind. Uh but we'll get there. We'll get there.

[00:27:13]And Debbie Wittman Smith reminding everyone that he has a total of 40 years for the financial crimes.

[00:27:20]Yeah, that's a big deal. That that kind of that's kind of the rest of his life.

[00:27:25]Um but prosecutors aren't going to just um sit on that and say, "Ah, why bother?

[00:27:31]Why bother? He's already in prison. No, because something can happen to that conviction, too. You need a backup to the backup because if you don't do anything on this one, right, if you say, "Ah, we're going to pass."

[00:27:43]And then something happens on the conviction on the other one, then he gets out on bond. Things happen, folks.

[00:27:48]Things happen.

[00:27:50]Just like, you know, the difference between life without parole and the depen. There's a big difference. as you saw with the Menendez brothers who at one point were on the row and at some point may very well get released from California.

[00:28:08]So 40 years means 40 only means 40 years in 40 years because so much can happen in between and always does not always but a lot of the time it does. So um but he's locked up for now. He's locked up for now. We don't have to worry about him walking around.

[00:28:28]All right, good old Johnny Knoxville.

[00:28:31]The disadvantage is an angry public who knows he's getting a retrial. Good luck finding a jury who does not know this case. Impossible. He's toast. Well, that's the thing. They all know it. Now, this is now this is a point of contention that I have with people whether or not you trust jurors when they give their answers during voadier.

[00:28:50]I don't know, maybe you don't trust them. I like to trust people initially until there's a reason not to trust them.

[00:28:59]But if the jurors are honest, right, not jurors that want to be on like, I want to be on the jury, so I'll say whatever I need to say to make sure I get on the jury, but if you have honest jurors who are speaking their mind, speaking their conscience, and and I hope every juror does that.

[00:29:18]They all know about the case.

[00:29:22]But you have to even if you know about the case, even if you watch the first trial, it's okay. The question, the magical question is, can you set that aside and base your verdict solely on the evidence that you hear in court during the trial and people like me can't do that. I couldn't do that. I I could not honestly say to the judge, "Yes, judge. I will put that all aside. I will enter this courtroom with a blank slate because I can't. I covered it. I watched it. I lived it. I learned it. I believed it. So, I can't and there's a lot of people like that. I think most people are like that. But there are some. There's always some. And they could be from Colton County. They could be from anywhere. Now, last time he wanted the trial there. He felt like that was a home trial for him, you know, being in a courtroom where there's pictures of his dad or grandpa. He thought that was an advantage.

[00:30:24]Turned out it wasn't. So, next time around, will he ask for a change of venue to go somewhere else? Maybe outside of the Low Country.

[00:30:35]Maybe. Maybe. We'll see. We'll see. I'm not I'm not sure how they're going to play that yet. But I think no matter how they play, I think it's it's the same game wherever you are. This trial was too big. It wasn't just about this one county or the two counties in the district. It it's about much much more.

[00:30:53]I think what the defense is looking for are people who that's not enough or people who don't trust the government or people who might be angry that he didn't get a fair shot the first time around.

[00:31:08]Those are the people who could end up on this jury. You could have one, two, you could have 12 of them.

[00:31:14]Thank you, Johnny Knoxville.

[00:31:17]All right, let's see who else we have here.

[00:31:26]I'm scrolling so fast. Just trying to get All right, Michelle is back.

[00:31:30]Michelle 2773. Vinnie, it looks like we're going back to the low country. I think this time around they're not going to let in as much about the financial crimes. Absolutely true, Michelle.

[00:31:41]There's going to be a lot less about that. A lot less. There's some guidance from the Supreme Court on that. And doors will that were opened the first time will remain closed second time around. So, expect a lot less about this. Some of it's got to come in because it's it's it's clearly connected to the motive. Prosecutors are entitled to tell their story.

[00:32:01]They're entitled to prove their case and their theory. And their theory was clear about what motivated this. And that gets right into the financial crimes that all of this was being exposed. He's trying to divert everyone's attention, trying to garner sympathy. And that's why first he took out his family, then he had the thing by the roadside. It was insanity obviously. But like that's that's that's their theory. That's their case because that's what they believe he did and that's what I think a lot of us believe he did. Maybe not all. I mean, there's some who still think that there were two people there. I don't know, two people showed up and borrowed weapons to to commit um a hit. Now, usually you bring your own weapons. To me, that was very compelling, the way they were able to to identify the weapons without actually presenting the weapons. I think they should do a another search to try to find them.

[00:33:03]All right, DD Moria. Vinnie, we've missed you. Missed you guys, too. Very busy getting ready for the relaunch.

[00:33:10]Very busy getting ready for the relaunch.

[00:33:13]Um, and also last week I I had a basketball tournament. All right, so there there is some fun in there as well. I was down in Florida for a b playing in a basketball tournament, not watching.

[00:33:25]All right, let's see what else we have going on here.

[00:33:32]I'm just I I'd like to get current if I can, but I can't miss any of the supers.

[00:33:38]Can't miss the supers.

[00:33:42]And we're still Oh, I think I am.

[00:33:46]All right.

[00:33:49]And Brandy Carter thinking about all the witnesses that have to testify again.

[00:33:53]Wild. Yeah, it's that's that's tough.

[00:33:56]It's it's tough on many many levels.

[00:33:59]like putting this all this was Kraton Waters did an unbelievable job. Oh Marl what a job he did. It was amazing. It was amazing. And to think you got to crank it up to do it again.

[00:34:14]Um but you can you can you have to you have to you have to get J you know the way our system works and it's you know it's it's it's bigger than Alec Murdoch right this decision is bigger than Alec Murdoch it's about protecting the sanctity of the jury in the entire state of South Carolina and it should be where you know anywhere in the country right but South Carolina clarified their law And you know me, I'm a prosecutor, but I think it's the right decision. We can't have people talking to the jury.

[00:34:54]Like, I'll tell you what I would do when I when I'm at at a trial and I'm covering a trial, you know, a big one like this, the jury is very protected. They're, you know, isolated and they're moved as a unit from point A to point B. But many normal trials, incl and even in some big ones, it's lunchtime. The jury just goes out and gets lunch. Sometimes you're in a courthouse. Sometimes there's an elevator and all the jurors wear their little button that says juror. And sometimes you'll get into an elevator.

[00:35:23]This is how as I don't know if you can hear Zuko.

[00:35:28]This is how concerned I was about interfering with the process and the jury. As a member of the media, if I saw a juror in the elevator, as I'm going to catch an elevator, I saw there's a juror there, I would turn away because, you know, human behavior, they're going to make eye contact.

[00:35:44]They're going to smile. I'm going to have a media credential on. And the next thing you know, you're going to hear one of the jurors is going to tell the baleiff, "Oh yeah, I" because the judge always says, "Did you speak to anyone?"

[00:35:56]D. Oh yeah, I said hello to the guy from Court TV.

[00:36:01]Like that's all I need. So I would avoid them.

[00:36:05]And I'm just a member of the media. I'm not like someone from the court.

[00:36:11]And I'm certainly not talking to the jury about the case.

[00:36:16]That's that's unheard of. That's outrageous. You talk about You talk about lunch.

[00:36:23]You talk about if you're going to be late, call this number.

[00:36:27]She was she was too involved and you know, a little too much spirit, right? Like that commercial they used to have about, you know, for Christmas, you know, Christmas spirit and like too much Christmas spirit, whatever it is. She had too much of of the spirit.

[00:36:51]And this is Subie 618 wants to know, wait, do we know exactly who messed this up? Yes, we know exactly who messed this up. Becky Hill, she was the court clerk. After the verdict, she was actually recognized from the balcony of the courthouse and given a round of applause by prosecutors and everyone else because of all the things that she did to help coordinate and let the trial go smoothly. Um, and they did a lot of great things because they knew all of us were coming in from out of town. You go down to Walterboro, South Carolina, you know, there are restaurants that are open three days a week.

[00:37:38]Like it's it's a it could be a food desert, right? And this is downtown where this where that beautiful courthouse is certain days a week, nothing's open. So to accommodate all the people coming to South Carolina, showing hospitality, and I think Becky Hill had a had a had a role in all this.

[00:37:58]They kind of spoke to the locals and they made sure that there were food trucks um there every day for six weeks.

[00:38:07]You had to pay for it obviously, but like to so you could actually get food to actually get food because otherwise you couldn't like there there would be no place to eat.

[00:38:18]It's that small of a town. This is Mayberry. It was Mayberry.

[00:38:25]Nice people.

[00:38:27]I'll tell you how small the town is. I'm down there and and I play pickle ball.

[00:38:32]So before before one morning, I find out where the local pickle ball game is. So I go to the gym and I'm playing and it turns out I'm playing with a Murdoch.

[00:38:41]And he said, "Yeah." He's like, "Ah, and I'm like a third cousin or something, whatever."

[00:38:48]But he was literally a Murdoch I played pickle ball with during the trial. And like everybody was talking about it.

[00:38:54]small town, everybody knows everybody.

[00:38:59]And you know, at at the end of the day, she tried to be accommodating. She got caught up in the moment at a minimum.

[00:39:09]Maybe had a master plan to make I don't know how she planned to make a lot of money out of this, you know, selling a little soft cover book. Like it it wasn't happening. But I don't know if she had delusions of grandeur.

[00:39:22]Um, she also got snagged for for plagiarizing part of the book from some emails that she was accidentally sent.

[00:39:30]Um, so so yes, we know whose fault it is. Um, she also got in trouble for for something else unrelated to the jury, but got indicted and oh, it's was a mess. Her life is a mess right now. Um, but she now created this mess which is going to cost time, money, effort, and you know gives but is a gift. It's an absolute gift to Alec Murdoch. That's for sure.

[00:40:00]All right, let's see.

[00:40:08]Joy Wag 2183.

[00:40:12]Great to see you, Joy. It was unnecessary, too. He would have been convicted anyway. Oh, yeah. Of course.

[00:40:19]It whether it influenced or didn't influence, he was not walking out of there. There's no way he was walking out of there. Um, but just making any statement, making any statement to the jury is absurd. All right. So, if there is a retrial, um, I'm wondering whether it'll be in a different venue. Walter Bro was great. The people were nice. Um, but I think the defense would have to be first to say, "Hey, we want it somewhere else." Um, but they may very well just try to do it there and see if they can get a jury. And if they can get a jury, they'll do it there. Not to take the picture down again of his father or grandfather, whoever's hanging up in that courthouse.

[00:41:07]No, it's it is something else. Hey, Don Tuchinardi 804. Thank you very much, Don. Appreciate it. Say hello to Tony Orlando.

[00:41:19]Do you get it? Tony Orlando and Dawn.

[00:41:22]Sweet Gypsy Rose. Who's in the Strawberry Patch with Sally? Tie Yellow Ribbon. Knocked three times.

[00:41:32]All right.

[00:41:36]Debbie Higgney Kraton Waters is going to chew him up and spit him out again.

[00:41:42]Well, I think he has to try the case. I don't know what his I think he's still working there. I think he's still you part of the office. Um I haven't heard anything else. Um so I I presume he's still there and he would try because he knows the case already. Yes, there's going to be a lot of getting revamped and re-uped for it. Uh there's going to be some strategy calls that you're going to have to make. Um, but at the end of the day, you don't want to bring in someone brand new because it's going to take a long time and then they'll that'll be a further advantage to the defense, which is kind of what happened in the Karen Reed case. You know, new prosecutor, so advantage defense.

[00:42:28]All right, Skippy is Let me get to Skippy here.

[00:42:37]Skippy, send Becky the bill for the cost of retrying Murdoch.

[00:42:44]Yeah, trust me, it's not going to come from the proceeds from sales of the book.

[00:42:54]There's not enough. There is not enough there.

[00:42:58]Joy Hester, great to see you, Vinnie.

[00:43:00]Thank you, Joy.

[00:43:06]Okay, Carla Bokeington, Botington, Bokeington, why would she jeopardize her job and career to do that at the trial? Dumb.

[00:43:23]The only explanation that I can garner and I think it's I think and I think it's true. It's it's my take on all this is that it was everything was so big that she kind of got out of character.

[00:43:43]It got to her head that she had some level of power in this moment.

[00:43:51]Some power in this moment. and abused that power didn't and and wasn't bright enough to understand her role.

[00:44:02]You know, she made before writing deciding to write the book, she she did make inquiries to the ethics panel. What can I do? What can't I do? And got some guidance, but regardless of what the guidance says, it just wasn't a good idea. It's a bad look. And then when you put that on top of the statements that were made to the uh jury, it's a Oh, it's bad. It's bad.

[00:44:32]All right, let's see.

[00:44:38]And Common Sense Investigators with us tonight. Make sure folks you go on uh her YouTube channel and uh subscribe. My question is how many other times did she do this with other jurors before?

[00:44:52]Yeah, we may never know that question or the the answer to that, but my guess is probably never.

[00:45:00]My guess is she probably wasn't that involved in the trials before this one.

[00:45:05]I think she was relatively new to the office, but my guess is that again, it's oh, this is a big trial. Oh, the nation is watching.

[00:45:19]We're getting calls from everywhere about this one. This is going to be big.

[00:45:32]This is my moment.

[00:45:34]and then it snowballed and snowballed and she she lost control.

[00:45:42]That's what I think happened. I don't think she's necessarily an evil person.

[00:45:47]Um she she got caught up in some lies, but I think the lies were part of the aftermath of the initial mistakes where she got caught up in all the hoopla. And you can't like the judge didn't get caught up in the hoopla. Like the judge is just like cool as a cucumber. Like okay, it's another trial. Let me handle it.

[00:46:12]It was the wrong It was the wrong reaction and approach to a big moment.

[00:46:23]All right.

[00:46:31]Ah, the ultimate question from Christina Russell. Vinnie, do you think he'll be found guilty again?

[00:46:38]Okay, there'll be some caveats here. Ifr Kraton Waters is trying the case.

[00:46:45]Yes, I do because I I think the evidence is that compelling and I don't think Kraton Waters will fall into any traps.

[00:46:54]But I always say this, I never know what 12 people are going to do.

[00:46:59]And it's very difficult to make a prediction without knowing who the jury is yet and how this voadier goes.

[00:47:10]Who are these people?

[00:47:14]Who are these people who are going to sit in judgment?

[00:47:18]You know, the jury selection sometimes we kind of just brush over it.

[00:47:25]It's the most important part of the case. It's the most important part of the case. You're deciding the people who will decide the case.

[00:47:34]And if you can if you win jury selection, you have a much better chance of winning the trial. But you don't always know if you win it or not.

[00:47:43]You know, sometimes you feel real good about the jury you have, but the facts are really bad, but it's the best. You know, this the jury we got is the best shot we have with this set of facts.

[00:47:54]Sometimes the set of facts is so overwhelming.

[00:47:57]I thought this set of facts was overwhelming down in Orlando.

[00:48:02]So based on that, I don't make specific predictions, but my gut tells me that yeah, he should be convicted again because the ev the the the main evidence is not going to change. The video by Paul, the the the lies, any anytime he was caught up in a lie, prosecutors can use that testimony, maybe the transcript of the testimony at the next trial.

[00:48:34]All right, let's see who else we have here.

[00:48:43]Ah, this is great. Uh, Rebecca Rebecca Martis 6786. I saw Tony Orlando and Dawn in Tucson, Arizona in the late 70s. Does that make me old?

[00:48:55]No, it doesn't make you old. But that is amazing.

[00:49:01]That's amazing seeing them in their prime. I think Tony Orlando has um recently retired. He performed like in Branson for years. He had his show. What a great entertainer and and from my understanding a great guy. That's what people tell me who have met him. I've never met him. Always wanted to. Um of all the variety shows, that was always my favorite. I think it was on I might be remembering wrong. I could have sworn that it was on Wednesday nights on CBS.

[00:49:30]I might be wrong, but um that was the one I watched.

[00:49:37]And but why 007 Vinnie, you're looking fine tonight, I have to say. But why?

[00:49:46]Thank you. See, if I put that up during the tangent podcast, Al would be so angry right now.

[00:49:56]All right, Ashley Buchard. The children also asked for her to be lwed. They said they will feel safer in in life. Ashley uh one of the mods from our wonderful mod squad talking about of course Corey Richens, which is the other story uh I will be uh talking about shortly.

[00:50:17]Uh but before we do that, It's time to pay tribute to our wonderful mod squad.

[00:50:32]>> Nope, that's not working.

[00:50:43]The monster spotting trolls will attack and on the scene pranky making sure they're keeping it clean. Jennifer telling haters don't be so mean and push on top of a Facebook screen.

[00:51:06]We are the last one.

[00:51:18]The best.

[00:51:24]The squad.

[00:51:31]>> Yes. A big thank you to our amazing mod squad. best in the business, folks. Uh, absolutely amazing.

[00:51:40]Um, all right. I'm just I'm just scrolling through here. Just give me a moment.

[00:51:46]Just give me a moment.

[00:51:51]All right.

[00:52:00]What?

[00:52:02]All right. This is messed up.

[00:52:08]All right, one second. My view is just a little SC. I think got some slow internet right now that I'm working on.

[00:52:17]Some slow internet.

[00:52:30]There we go. All right.

[00:52:35]Okay. Back in business. All right. Let me get back here. We get some more comments in.

[00:52:45]Let's see.

[00:52:53]And Dominique Gerard saying hi from Montreal, Canada.

[00:52:57]Hello, Canada.

[00:53:01]Oh, okay. Here's a great question.

[00:53:05]Will Court TV cover the second trial?

[00:53:07]Yes. Yes.

[00:53:10]Absolutely.

[00:53:13]Yes. Court TV will cover the We're in South Carolina. South Carolina presumption of accessibility to cameras.

[00:53:21]And obviously in a case in a trial like this where there's been some um impropriy by courtroom staff uh even more of a reason for the transparency. So I will presume um that South Carolina will continue to allow cameras inside the courtroom and obviously Court TV will be there for sure. Um but it's going to be a little bit down the road. They'll have to have, you know, they go, they're starting from square one with the whole process.

[00:53:57]All right.

[00:54:03]All right.

[00:54:06]And Johnny Knoxville with a question here. Let me see. Vinnie, what month is your Tangent get together going to be? Oh. Oh, yes.

[00:54:16]The Tangent Fest is going to be in October.

[00:54:21]October. I think it's going to be uh Columbus Day weekend.

[00:54:26]So, in that October area, um first though, we got Crime Con coming up out in Vegas. Me and the boys will be out there. Tangents in effect. Court TV will be there. Law and crime will be there.

[00:54:39]Big presentation um on the first day at noon. uh Law and Crime Court TV together for the very first time on stage. It's going to be amazing. Uh so that's happening. Um and obviously Al Jonesy will be out there in Vegas. Uh baby Vegas, baby. I always want to say baby after I say Vegas. We'll be out there and that's kind of like so it's it's a it's a crime con. So it's a convention, but it's also a tangent convention for us to all be in the same place at the same time for more than a couple hours, right? not just meeting online, but being physically together, and we're going to flush out everything for TangentFest 26. So, um, it's going to be a limited number, though. We're going to cap the number of people who can go because we're going to keep it a small event, a manageable event, and an intimate event that'll be very worthwhile. Um there'll be um some cost involved, but it's not like it's not it's not it's going to be a cost just to help cover some of the expenses involved with getting people from point A to point B um for the tangent fest. But we're still planning it out. But yeah, it's going to be amazing.

[00:55:54]It's going to be amazing.

[00:55:59]Let's see.

[00:56:01]I don't know if you can hear Zuko with my new microphone or not, but he's going nuts right now.

[00:56:08]He is going nuts.

[00:56:14]Time to get up.

[00:56:18]It's time to get funky.

[00:56:22]It's time for us to smile.

[00:56:25]Here comes Max Spunky.

[00:56:28]>> And a hello to Big Spunky.

[00:56:32]6.9. Thank you, sir. Greetings from Uncle Spunky. And my understanding is he's going to be out at Crime Con, too. Or is he going to Tangent Fest? One or the other. Uh, he is going to be there. Munky 6.9 reminding us all to smile.

[00:56:49]Keep on smiling.

[00:56:52]All right, let's see what else we have here. I just want to get All right. Will Julie Jana be staying now? You're back. Yes. Jeannie Smith 9642.

[00:57:12]Julie Jana is staying. I've stayed. She stayed. We all stayed.

[00:57:20]Oh, Munky has haters. I did not know that. All right. And Carrie Davis, S9Z Court TV rocks.

[00:57:28]Rocks.

[00:57:31]All right.

[00:57:37]Someone's calling him Mcspicy.

[00:57:42]Oh my goodness. Kimberly 42923. My dogs hear him. Okay. Zuko crazy dog.

[00:58:00]All right.

[00:58:04]And I just want to get Okay. All right.

[00:58:09]Let me get to this.

[00:58:21]Okay. What just happened?

[00:58:25]What just Let's talk about what just happened. What What What just happened in Corey Richens?

[00:58:33]Cy Richens got life without the possibility of parole, which is what she deserves. She could have got 25 years and she's young, so that's like an, you know, that's a you're getting out and you're living the rest of your life kind of sentence. Um, but Cory Richens ran into some serious problems. The biggest problem and and the judge said this, said she's too dangerous to be out there. She she attempted to take her husband's life, was unsuccessful. Then within like 17 I think it's 17 days, she tried again and was successful. And he found that to be a big aggravating factor against her. Also an aggravating factor was the fact that Corey Richen's oldest son um fears her and is afraid that she'll go after him next.

[00:59:20]And that gives you a little taste of of the you talk about victim impact.

[00:59:25]There is no victim impact greater than taking away a parent from a young child and you're taking a dad away from three little boys. Boys need their dad. They need their mom too, obviously, right?

[00:59:38]But mom did what she did. You don't need that mom. You need a real mom. But you had a real dad. And you lost your real dad.

[00:59:47]And the only reason dad was still with mom was because dad loved those kids so much. He didn't want to break up the family.

[00:59:57]Eric didn't leave Corey. Even though he suspected things and knew things, he had not left because he tried as hard as he could to try to reconcile this thing and make it work for the kids, for the family.

[01:00:17]And and the the judge found and the judge also found and these are everything that we've been saying all along in our coverage like and and why she did it the motive really got under the skin of the judge for money. You did this for money.

[01:00:35]Like I understand there's a prenup and all, but at the end of the day, if you are married to someone, right, like Eric and Corey are married and they're doing I think they have money because Eric makes money. She doesn't make money. Eric makes money and you got three kids and they're being well taken care of.

[01:00:57]There's going to be child support. The mother will would probably get primary custody at a minimum. It would be shared custody. And you can do it a couple different ways. Some people you have like a house and then the parents switch in and out of the house and then you have a secondary and in some cases if you have enough money a tertiary residence that you live in when it's not your week or it's not your weekend in the house. I think that's a great way to do it when parents can get along. You don't disrupt the children. The children stay in the home and either mom's home or dad's home. They're just not home together.

[01:01:32]And then when mom's not home, they're in a different place. And when dad's not home, he's in a different place. And I've seen that work very well with some couples. And you could have you could have done that. And if you did that, then you don't lose your whole lifestyle. But if you were afraid because of the prenup of what was going to happen, Eric was going to make sure those kids were taken care of. And when it's your weekend or week to have the kids or if you have primary custody, he's going to make sure the kids are taken care of.

[01:02:03]And whatever the alimony is, it is.

[01:02:09]But there was no way Eric was going to allow his children to live in squalor and allow their mother to be living in squalor. No, things would have worked out. It would have been reasonable. It just wouldn't have been where she wanted to be or where she thought she was.

[01:02:30]You know, she thought she was like this mover and shaker in in society.

[01:02:36]She watched HGTV too many times. She thought she thought she could flip a house. She thought it was easy. Oh yeah, watch it every week. It takes an hour and you make, you know, 300,000, 400,000, $500,000. You buy a house cheap. You bring in the construction guy. You fix it up. You flip it and then, you know, you make money. That's not the way it works in the real world.

[01:02:56]There's risk involved. You have to understand the market. You've got to be smart about it. You've got to stay on budget. You've got to understand how things work. You've got to get permits.

[01:03:05]There's timing. There's so many things involved in that in that world. It's not easy. And she just wasn't good at it.

[01:03:15]And that was it.

[01:03:17]So, what just happened today was all the things she did um and why she did them and the attempted red rum along with the actual red rum is ultimately what did her in in the judge's eyes saying she's too dangerous. Plus, the words from her own son who's scared of her. So, you know, tonight let's just think about the kids a little bit and and hope that at some point they find some peace. Um, but they'll be reading about this, you know, that anyone, even if it's not a high-profile case, it it lives there forever. So, every child that is in a situation where you've got spousal violence like this, uh, they're going to find out the truth.

[01:04:02]They're going to find out the truth probably in their teens and probably in their early teens.

[01:04:09]And it's not about what the in-laws are saying or what anyone else is feeding them. It's what they're going to read for themselves online.

[01:04:19]All right, so let's see what people are saying about Corey Richens.

[01:04:36]Linda Freeman, if she would ever get out, she's a danger to anyone close to her and she can purchase a life insurance policy on. He's obsessed with being rich. Greedy, creepy person she is. Yeah. And then she lashed out, right? She's lashing out and you saw her little attitude in the courtroom today.

[01:04:53]Um Yeah. She was nervous, but then once she knew what was going to happen, then the attitude sort of seeped through her skin a little bit. Um she's going to be writing and making motions. She's going to be suing people. She's going to make a lot of noise for all these years while she's in prison, but she's in prison.

[01:05:12]So, um, that's that's the good news. Uh, some sense of justice for Eric's family and Venus Gal 2706, HGTV, LOL TV, all faked or a lot of it, even House Hunters. Um, now I don't know anything about specific shows, but I do know someone who's on one of them. I don't know which one it was, and it was sort of faked out. It was one of those shows where they either had to redo their house or buy a new one. And um they had already done it and then they filmed it.

[01:05:46]So they when they were house hunting it was like fake house hunting. I don't know if it was house hunters though. I'm not saying it was house hunters. I don't know what they do. Whatever show they were on and I don't know which one it was. Uh but they said yeah it wasn't all reality shows are not real.

[01:06:02]Like there's some there's some things that are true in there, but they have to up like there's like the the the production budget, right? So, you can't just follow people around with a camera and wait for things to happen. Like you've got to put things in motion. And and I'll remember like I think it was uh Jersey Shore like there was a scene or something where they where some and I don't know if it was like someone filming them while they were filming or something where they had like a script like so what reality TV is is like amateur actors doing improv because I don't think it's like word for word scripts. It's kind of like setting up a scenario and then you kind of do it, which is why, you know, but but I think after they do it for a while, they get good at it and then they help fuel their own drama as well. But they know for their own sake that to stay on the show, if it's one of these shows where, you know, not every episode is a different set of characters, you've got to like turn up the drama.

[01:07:09]And if you're if you're boring and you don't, you know, then you're off the show. So there's like an incentive to sort of escalate whatever you're doing or feeling.

[01:07:23]That's why the the the closer you get to real reality, it's Court TV.

[01:07:28]Body cams, that's real. Like true crime is like real.

[01:07:36]And and now with surveillance cameras and body cams and cell phones, we're getting a different sense of true crime. It it it's much much more you're getting to see a lot of the things happen whether it's in the moment or in the immediate aftermath or in the buildup. So a lot of true crime now is real reality as opposed to reality TV. It's like real reality and it's crazy. Now, what's interesting is when you're on social media and you see some of these wacky videos and you and whether it's a hidden camera video or whatever, you wonder, was that real or was that staged and pretty soon what's going to happen and it's happening already was that real or was that AI? Right? I there we're only, you know, whether it's months or a few years away from AI being so good that it will be indistinguishable from actual real video.

[01:08:46]So there'll be like, you know, AI body cams that you'll see. It'll be like, well, wow, what just happened? It's dangerous, but there's nothing you can do to really stop it or regulate it.

[01:08:58]It's almost impossible to regulate.

[01:09:01]I mean, social media tries to. They say if it if it's AI, you got to label it, but at some point it's going to get so good that um you could not label it and nobody will know the difference.

[01:09:13]So, that's where we are. But if you're looking for real reality, it's court TV, it's lawn crime, it's true crime. like we're actually doing it and you're getting to see it play out because there are so many things that are caught on camera these days. Completely complete game changer.

[01:09:38]Ah, Jeannie Smith 9642. Vinnie, I missed there's something else you need to know.

[01:09:47]You just gave me an idea.

[01:09:56]need to know.

[01:10:00]Maybe I do a little video series like that. I'm writing things down. I write down things and I keep them. I got them in a in a notebook over there. Thank you, Jeannie Smith.

[01:10:21]And another touching part of today's um sentencing of Corey Richens um and Savannah Billy pointing this out that today was Eric's birthday. I think it was kind of done purposely. I don't think it was necessarily an accident.

[01:10:33]Defense tried to get it moved. Judge would not move it. Um, so on Eric Richen's what would have been his 44th birthday, the sentencing of his wife um for taking his life and poisoning him.

[01:10:49]>> Yeah. Um, Zuko is a little out of control tonight, isn't he? Zuko kick ass.

[01:11:00]See, he listens crazy.

[01:11:07]Somebody else must be walking a dog outside.

[01:11:12]All right.

[01:11:25]Hebss, what is this? Hebss86. Vinnie, she's ridiculous. Her facial expressions were awful and her selfishness and lies she told her sons today uh was disgusting. She's disgusting.

[01:11:36]She's a horrific human being motivated by money and by a perceived status.

[01:11:47]You know what? Like you you've got to when you become a parent and I think most of us know this, right? Like everything changes.

[01:11:58]your life changes. There's a new filter that is placed in your brain. So, every decision you make goes through the filter of how will that impact my children? And that's the filter that people like Corey Richens don't have.

[01:12:15]And she's not the only one. I mean, I've seen dozens and dozens of people like this through the years at Court TV who act for themselves without taking into account how is this action going to impact my children?

[01:12:34]And for those three boys, like you're talking about therapy, you're talking about like a search for like like how who is who is this woman?

[01:12:50]Why did she do that to my dad?

[01:12:56]And most children, they're very young, but most children in in that in that situation never want to believe that their other parent is responsible and won't believe it despite the evidence. And that's probably eight times out of 10. Eight times out of 10.

[01:13:15]The one that really sticks in my mind is years ago, one of the first big trials I covered, Dr. a dirt grinder in Denim, Massachusetts. Yeah, that denim, Massachusetts. Um took out his wife and he had three adult children and Yale, Harvard doctors, like super smart, like good kids, good kids, but they were adults, but good kids. So smart, so bright. It was a DNA case. Like it was overwhelming DNA. There was no evidence of anyone else. Like they were matching blood and glove prints and connecting it directly to their father. But they did not believe it. They did not. I I still believe they don't believe it.

[01:14:07]Suko doesn't believe it either. He didn't believe it, but they did. Because in your mind, you don't want to believe that dad would do that to mom despite the fact that there was a lady of the evening who came in and testified about what she was doing with dad. They still didn't want to believe it. Plus the science of it. And these were they're scientists and they didn't believe the science.

[01:14:33]So, we'll hope for those kids.

[01:14:36]Anyhow, folks, let me tell you, um I' I've gota bust out of here. Uh I've got some things I've got to get to. Um but before that, I've got a lot of new things here trying to figure out.

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[01:16:43]All right. I'm just dealing with a new uh little setup here in the studio. So, everything's in a different place now.

[01:16:49]and I'm getting used to it. Um, all right. So, I think that's all I got for tonight. One second.

[01:17:01]I got to run. I'm behind schedule. I'm late for a for an appointment. Um, so we can't do the blood sugar tonight. I apologize for that. Uh, but I needed to jump on. I thought it was a big night, an important night. Um, and a big thanks to the mod squad of course. Thank you for the great uh chat and all the super chats as well. Um, this week we should be together with the tangents. Uh, hopefully on Friday we should be able to get that done. The exact time is not clear yet. Okay. Again, a lot of different changing of things here for me. Um, so hopefully it'll be around the same time. might be a little bit later um in the afternoon, maybe 1 2 o'clock. We'll see. Um but that's uh Friday. Today is what?

[01:17:57]Wednesday. And that means tomorrow's Thursday, right? All right. But again, uh thank you everyone for watching. Um find my stuff here. Get it all ready.

[01:18:13]Where is I clearly have to rearrange this stuff.

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