EPISODE 3: Occupational Health in Japan

[00:00:00]focus on to educate and uh grown up the occupational physician specialist in Japan. [music] >> [music] [music] [singing] >> me.

[00:00:30][music] [singing] Okay. Hello ladies and gentlemen.

[00:00:52]Open mic.

[00:00:55][applause] Ladies and gentlemen, House [applause] [laughter] special.

[00:01:29][laughter] Ladies and gentlemen, that's why this is a special episode, special host, special guest. Okay.

[00:01:58][laughter] Okay. Okay. So because uh uh our guests today are from international so we will conduct this podcast in English. So ladies and gentlemen please mind our uh social English proficiency but I believe you will understand. [laughter] So our first guest is Profojimari.

[00:02:22]He is a medical doctor, a PhD, a professor emeritus at the University of Occupational Health, occupational and environmental health Japan or UEH and also one of the leading experts in occupational health management and productivity and he is our also our close friend because he is one of the adjunk professor at department of community medicine FCA. So that that is our first guest and our second guest is >> and the second guest is professor Sigayyuki Kajiki also from UEH Japan. He is a respectful expert in occupational health practice, occupational health management and also education.

[00:03:08]>> Oo okay. Okay.

[00:03:10]>> So please welcome Professor Prof. [applause] Hi.

[00:03:20]>> Okay. Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you. [singing] >> Okay.

[00:03:26]>> Please have a seat. Okay.

[00:03:27]>> And please be relaxed.

[00:03:29]>> Okay. [laughter] >> Please relax. There. There's coffee and also snacks for you. [clears throat] >> So, thank you Profi and Profiki for coming to our Maka Kafa cast. Please introduce yourself.

[00:03:41]>> Yep.

[00:03:42]>> Please.

[00:03:47]>> [laughter] >> My name is Kimi from Japan.

[00:03:51]>> Maybe the I visited this building. Uh so it was 30 years ago or something >> 30 years ago.

[00:04:00]>> 13 years ago. So we had a so ceremony seminar at so uh and so we continued so coming here >> at least once year for the 90. Okay. So now the I have the a lot of good friend [clears throat] like so we learn each other so much >> and also the we visit so several so city >> several city I feel that so this area is like the my hometown.

[00:04:43][laughter] >> Thank you so much.

[00:04:46]Okay, maybe uh I will add uh some information that Professor Kojimori uh he is very very famous >> occupational physician in Japan.

[00:04:57]>> Not only a professor at the UAE, he's a kind of consultant also at the ministry of health and welfare in Japan and also ministry of economy, trade and industry in Japan.

[00:05:11]>> Wow. He is also former president of the Japan Society of Occupational Health.

[00:05:18]>> Wow. Amazing.

[00:05:19]>> A really special guest today.

[00:05:23]>> Okay. And uh the second guest is Professor Kajiki. Please introduce yourself.

[00:05:32]>> Kajiki.

[00:05:34]>> Okay.

[00:05:36]Thank you so much for inviting me here.

[00:05:38]It's very great honor for us. Uh my name is Shigiuki Kajiki and uh I hold the dual roles. Uh one is part-time uh professor of our universities as a trainers and the teachers and another is one of the consultant for occupational health and safety professionals and usually serve in Japan uh especially for the uh global company. Okay.

[00:06:06]>> So, one of the subsidiaries of the manufacturers uh big manufacturers are located in Indonesia.

[00:06:14]>> So, named Komasu Indonesia. So, so I usually come Indonesia at least 20 times or more.

[00:06:23]>> 20 times.

[00:06:26]>> Okay. You are Indonesian.

[00:06:28]>> You're basically a resident here.

[00:06:30][laughter] >> Yeah. And also the my uh when I graduate my universities, I traveled here to Indonesia as a uh tour >> tourist.

[00:06:40]>> Yeah. Tourist. Yes. So it's a very memorial place here.

[00:06:44]>> Thank you so much.

[00:06:47]I wanted to look look forward to see you.

[00:06:50]>> Thank you very much. Thank you for coming here. Let me add one more information that professor Kajiki uh he told us that he worked for Katsu right in Japan. He is also kind of a consultant occupational health consultant in a uh uh company in Japan named Sony is it?

[00:07:10]>> Ah yes.

[00:07:10]>> Yeah. And Sony is very famous among Indonesia because many of us we have a kind of uh like music player >> and iPhone.

[00:07:20]>> Ah yeah. Oh. Oh yeah. iPhone camera making by making >> 60 person.

[00:07:27]>> Okay.

[00:07:27]>> Oh yeah.

[00:07:28]>> And he's also one of the successful occupational physician practitioner in Japan.

[00:07:35]>> I see. Wow. Really really special.

[00:07:38]>> I think uh it also make me uh like having a question like why why do you choose to become occupational physician?

[00:07:49]Why? uh there are many expertises like uh surgery or other but why do you choose uh occupational physician maybe first thank you so much very important question so uh I do already say that uh our university is UH it's focus to focus on to educate and uh grown up occupational physician specialist in Japan it's unique university in the world.

[00:08:20]>> Okay.

[00:08:21]>> But uh um uh but when I was enter the medical school, >> I wanted to be a surgeon.

[00:08:29]>> Surgeon.

[00:08:30]>> Yeah. A neurosurgeon or cardio surgeon.

[00:08:33]>> Yeah.

[00:08:33]>> But during the six years uh class uh at the end of the six years >> I met professor Mori.

[00:08:42]>> Okay.

[00:08:43]>> Yeah. He is my turning uh he is the key persons when I changed my mind to be the occupational physicians.

[00:08:51]>> Okay. So he's the inspiration.

[00:08:53]>> Yeah. So at the time he was working in Exommobile Corporations the most biggest petrochemical companies in the world in the world and he was the head of occupational physician at the time >> and he told us about his experience and activities >> in the occupational uh health field.

[00:09:13]>> Okay.

[00:09:14]>> So it was very appealing for me.

[00:09:16]>> So I changed my mind to be from [laughter] It's true story.

[00:09:24]>> True story. Thanks for profi [laughter] he's so at the time he was already that the teacher that I was a student medical student but then we un fortunately I had been working together with him okay under the his subordinate in the exom mobile and also work together in the UEH the training center in the institutions.

[00:09:50]>> I was very lucky. Oh okay.

[00:09:52]>> But now I was owned by my consulting companies and I've ser now serving many play many companies as a patient physician and occasion health consultant.

[00:10:04]>> Oh great. So you've been inspired by professor. Wow.

[00:10:09]>> Key part.

[00:10:10]>> Many person are inspired [laughter] by professor.

[00:10:12]>> Yeah.

[00:10:13]>> Yeah. So professor Mori what bring you to become occupational health physician and also teacher? What is inside?

[00:10:21]>> So the person I'm afraid that my presence affect his life [laughter] but so but uh after I graduate from the uh so made some yeah >> I to so the occupation health here.

[00:10:42]>> Okay. So the at that time the so the uh world of of vocational health in Japan is the a kind of the wilderness >> no one no expert who finish the so occupational health comprehensively [clears throat] working as occupational >> so we need to needed to develop the all of the things many people have so started and so their own experience but that cannot so they together and so >> uh write so text book documentation [singing and music] but is a standard practice in Japan >> maybe I spend many year to do okay that >> and but so there are a lot of things I can write in text book in occupy many many books >> but about that it is very difficult to write all of the things.

[00:11:43]>> Okay.

[00:11:44]>> So the one of the so area is >> so how to so harmonize so uh health of the worker and the success of the business >> so how to harmonize >> how to harmonize [laughter] >> so difficult area so from the people graduate from the medical school and medicine.

[00:12:10]>> Yeah. So the we always uh of course I don't have the so complete so answering that so my career I always discuss the my such a matter with my colleagues and so junior but it is [laughter] very so interesting I feel and some of them feel that this is so interesting idea such people join the personal hair and I think so.

[00:12:45]>> Yeah, >> I think that's true that many of many people are inspired by [clears throat] >> professor Mori because he also write a book even many books. Yes.

[00:12:57]>> Yeah. I heard that in Japan there are a group of occupational physician that are >> I mean like uh this is like group of professor Mori uh student like inspired them >> trivia. [laughter] >> Yeah. And it is more than 150 >> more than maybe about 200 >> 200 I can count almost >> a very large community of students inspired by >> so uh I believe both of you are very excellent teachers. So maybe you can explain to us how is the occupational health physician education program in Japan like how many years will it take or how they study the occupational medicine please maybe prof so so what I had to say is so it is not so systematic so system to the occupation decision. Okay.

[00:14:03]>> Only the has a comprehensive program.

[00:14:07]>> Okay.

[00:14:08]>> But and the program is only open to the e graduate.

[00:14:15]>> People who want to be the professional patient phys it so difficult to run only one or two and a position we open to the public.

[00:14:27]>> public. Okay. So person I would like to talk about the system in >> okay [clears throat] >> so the uh the medical student after the sixth grade uh need to so select the one of the department >> okay >> including the clinical department >> medicine >> and about the 25% of the so student to the so occupational health field Okay. If they started the occupational health residency but it is five years.

[00:15:04]So it is five years. So program but >> five years >> among them the first two years is basic clinical medicine basically >> res in hospital.

[00:15:17]>> Okay. First >> it is common in all physicians. Okay. In Japan. So and then at the third year they so dispatch to the one of the so industry industry the so senior operation patient working and can they can so teach the real world so it is a kind of early exposure >> early exposure okay then so the yeah came back come back to uh university and so spend two years. Two years >> and the so professor >> like like >> uh so who are so who who so speciality in the health but in there so many professor who so speciality is different from medicine but so they have each of them [clears throat] as has sub speciality okay in my case health and productive manage management and management system. The other is health promotion really like so during the two years. So they make the practice at the small and medium enterprise occupation efficient.

[00:16:38]Okay. and also study make the research and the so then they after that they go to the so company at that time they also the undertake so board examination board examination I think same way here >> but it's very structured >> yeah it is very structured >> and I think the most different thing is that The resident got paid right >> paid paid by the paid university. Yes.

[00:17:14]>> And they also have many experience in the company also.

[00:17:18]>> That's right. That's right. That's right.

[00:17:19]>> So that is very excellent.

[00:17:21]>> It is just open to the only [laughter] >> so standardized amazing. So how is uh medical doctor in Japan or uh other than UAE graduate if they want to become occupational >> usually the so minimum requirement so to be assigned physician is the basically the 50 hours training on >> 50 hours training >> 50 hours usually the so so Japan association of the medicine uh provide the the system.

[00:18:05]>> Okay.

[00:18:05]>> There are so many opportunity to learn.

[00:18:08]Uh >> okay.

[00:18:10]>> Of course we provide in Euro and other university also provide. Okay.

[00:18:16]>> So after that they so contract with >> company >> but uh if they are lucky they can have the supervisor.

[00:18:26]>> Okay. And I told them more but they don't they cannot cut so they have to do by themsel >> by themsel.

[00:18:36]>> So training is maybe if they have a good supervisor senior doctor in a company [clears throat] >> uh they can get uh like uh like u not a teaching but like supervision.

[00:18:51]>> Okay.

[00:18:51]>> More guidance. more guidance but it's kind of informal rather than compared to UE.

[00:18:59]>> Oh wow. It's quite similar with Indonesia that we have a 40 hours >> training uh for as a mandatory for occupational physician. Okay.

[00:19:10]>> Maybe Prof. Kajiki will uh add something about >> Yeah, it's okay. because I was uh I was taught him >> his guidance system >> when I graduate from so medical school.

[00:19:25]>> Yeah.

[00:19:26]>> We didn't have that any training system.

[00:19:29]>> That's right.

[00:19:30]>> Okay.

[00:19:31]>> Yeah.

[00:19:31]>> So you create the system.

[00:19:33]>> No [laughter] other professors professor develop. Okay.

[00:19:39]>> But uh >> maybe the we need to own experience and feedback our experience to [clears throat] the program >> to the program.

[00:19:50]>> Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.

[00:19:53]>> So >> yeah. And if we are talking about occupational physician in Japan, I believe that uh both of professor Mori and Professor Kajiki already uh see occupational physician in other countries. M >> so uh maybe I want I want to ask to professor Kajiki first >> what makes uh occupational visit in Japan uh different other than other country for example >> okay thank you uh professor Murray mentioned before the in Japan we have two type of occupational physician >> so-called one is a professional occupational physician like us so they have already trained well trained for four or five years or more.

[00:20:41]>> The others almost the professional physician in Japan is just only the 50 hours training and they had the uh uh uh certified by some associations.

[00:20:55]>> So uh it's one of the unique system uh compared with the other uh countries.

[00:21:04]>> Okay. Uh I want to know how about the Indonesia laterers. So for example in the France or Belgium the Netherland like in the Europeans >> they have a professional system to educate for the professional physician.

[00:21:20]Okay. So it means that if they the uh the doctors in that companies want to be uh want work to in the companies they have to uh learn and pass the exam.

[00:21:35]>> Ah >> like our universities Yeah. like universities the other uh physician cannot work as a patient physician.

[00:21:45]>> I see.

[00:21:46]>> Yeah. But uh our uh but in Japan it's a very complex situations.

[00:21:53]One of the operation physician uh working but uh >> the physician is expert or not expert the company employers cannot dec uh understand find out okay just only have a license it's very difficult for them to understand >> okay >> it's one of the unique and the characteristics of in Japan to other countries okay >> okay so what about in Indonesia Maybe muri will explain.

[00:22:24]>> I think in Indonesia uh we have almost similar system for education >> with Japan like we have a mandatory course for GP [clears throat] >> and once they uh uh completed the mandatory course they can work in the company. Yeah.

[00:22:39]>> Uh but uh we have also uh postgraduate training like what we have uh like in MKK program. Yes.

[00:22:47]>> And also residency training in occupational health. So I think for the education system Japan, Indonesia a bit similar and maybe in other country >> uh occupational medicine or occupational health it is part of the residency program like the one in the US for example you so to become occupational physician you need to have a several years of postgraduate training and then end it by >> uh board exam or something.

[00:23:14]>> So it's quite different. Uh so one more let me one more additions uh so in Japan the regulation required to hire the patient of physician each employers.

[00:23:27]>> Okay >> I see that's a good regulation [laughter] >> we should adopt that.

[00:23:31]>> Yeah we don't have that >> we don't have that kind of regulation.

[00:23:35]Yeah.

[00:23:35]>> Okay. Yeah.

[00:23:37]>> So yes maybe professor Mori can explain more about the regulation. I mean I see I see >> uh what is the specific regulation related with the mandatory >> mandatory so the >> we have the industry safety and health act.

[00:23:52]>> Okay.

[00:23:52]>> So the the act said that the uh the employers who has more than 50 employees at one side need to have the operation visa even it is a part time.

[00:24:08]>> Okay. And if the so has a more than 1,000 >> so employed >> working so the it should be the shall be the fulltime operation physician >> a full-time operation physician okay >> so the most of the operation physician in Japan is not working in the hospital or the health service provider but working >> in the company okay >> so For example, uh there is a company who has like a 200 employee.

[00:24:44]>> So they can hire like uh four occupational physician part time.

[00:24:50]>> No, no, only one. But but but so how does so the 200 workers distribute to the each site?

[00:25:01]>> Okay. If the 200 distute to dist distribute so um 10 so working side >> each of them all of them are less than 50 >> the employer don't have to have their so >> but if they are in only one side >> they need to hire at least one >> yes yeah there is so many big drugstore chain in Japan.

[00:25:33]>> Yeah.

[00:25:34]>> Usually they have the more than 10,000 20,000 employees.

[00:25:40]>> But headquarter is the biggest is the headquarter >> and they usually there 500 so employees.

[00:25:48]So they need to contract with one part time but the other is very small less than 50. M >> so the such a company so need to contract just one >> based on it is a big big issue also >> I see >> this is a degradation >> that is even better competition [laughter] >> yeah if we compare it to here they're much better than us but it is an issue that maybe we'll both address in the future right to solve the problem.

[00:26:30]>> Okay. So, um this is the the next questions more um casual questions.

[00:26:36][laughter] >> Okay. So, you both say that you've been here like several times, more than 20 times maybe. So, over the decades of working with us and having been to Indonesia several times, >> what is your favorite city and your favorite food?

[00:26:55]>> Oh, please. Thank you.

[00:26:57]>> So I I told you that I have been here the 20 times or more but almost come to Jakarta.

[00:27:05]>> Okay.

[00:27:05]>> And I have been to the other site is one is Nusan Nusant the new Nantra in Balik Papan. Yes. And others uh Joakarter your hometown very close to your hometown >> and others another one is just only the Bali >> Bali.

[00:27:30]>> So I have been to the four four main four place. So >> so what is your favorite?

[00:27:37]>> Uh so usually I like um I have to say the Jakarta.

[00:27:43]>> Okay. But for [laughter] but >> but uh for for as a tourist I like to go to the Bali >> because there are many tourists and other uh good uh forest and nature in the clean ocean around the island.

[00:28:04]>> Yeah. And the Bali uh dishes is very very good for us.

[00:28:10]>> Yeah. You like Bali dishes?

[00:28:11]>> Yeah. Oh, and when I comes to the last week with my wife, she learned how to make the Indonesian dishes, especially for the Bali dishes. She learned from by chef, professional chef.

[00:28:27]>> Okay.

[00:28:27]>> Yeah, she I think she will make me [clears throat] the Indonesian body this food after going back to Japan.

[00:28:34]>> What is the name of the dishes? Maybe you remember.

[00:28:37]>> Uh what? Sorry, I don't know the but the uh Indonesian curry >> and the sate uh chicken sate with uh what is it?

[00:28:48]>> Yeah, >> lemongrass. Lemongrass.

[00:28:51]Yes. And the crepe >> with uh inside in the coconuts and honey milk.

[00:28:58]>> I see.

[00:28:59]>> It's very honey. The crepe is very comfortable for me.

[00:29:04]>> So you like bal food there?

[00:29:06]But but I think that it's one of the Indonesian traditional dishes. Is that correct?

[00:29:12]>> Correct.

[00:29:14]>> I see. What about you, Profi? Which what favorite city and also favorite?

[00:29:21][laughter] >> I have never been to the party.

[00:29:24]>> All of my visit to Indonesia is a big city. I'm sorry. [singing] >> I'm sorry. What is it? But so in addition to the so the city visited I visited so >> and so it depend on the so the city area of course.

[00:30:01]But this is a suburb of the band is so the plantation is very beautiful and also the historical area >> we enjoy.

[00:30:21][laughter] >> So so what is your favorite dishes?

[00:30:24]Maybe from band food.

[00:30:27]>> Favorite food I say. Yes. And uh we enjoy that. So several type of that. So Indonesia food and sometime I cannot distinguish.

[00:30:38][laughter] [laughter] I like the most of the so Indonesian food especially the in my case fish >> fish.

[00:30:57]Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We have plenty of dishes, seafood dishes of course in Indonesia. So this snack in front of you is also Indonesian snack actually. This one is lapis suraya. So it is from Suray. Yeah. And the the round one, this one with the chili is saucy solo. So it's from city of Solo. So it's central.

[00:31:25]So yeah, we try to provide this traditional snacks. We hope you like it.

[00:31:31]We hope you enjoy it. [laughter] >> Can they also enjoy the food?

[00:31:35]>> Of of course you can enjoy while discussing. Okay.

[00:31:44]So there's been to Samara, Sarabaya, Balik Papan, but you've never been to Sumatra area or Pua. Yeah.

[00:31:54]>> Maybe next time Masuri will >> Okay. [laughter] I was planning to go to Lake Toba.

[00:32:01]>> Yeah, it is very pard.

[00:32:03]>> Yeah, it's very beautiful.

[00:32:05]>> Maybe you can try Padang cuisine right in the So, um, from the several times you've come to Indonesia, maybe you can tell us what um, specific maybe what do you like from Indonesia? Maybe the people or or maybe the traffic jam. I don't know.

[00:32:27][laughter] >> What do you like from Indonesia?

[00:32:33]>> Ramy, please. So uh first uh uh when I come to the first time to Indonesia uh when I was a medical students as a last medical student >> uh in one uh 1997 >> 1997 okay >> about 30 years ago. Yes.

[00:32:51]>> Yeah. But uh um since then uh we I sometimes come to the Indonesian but almost Indonesian people very kind and honest for us.

[00:33:04]>> Okay. for Japanese.

[00:33:06]>> Okay.

[00:33:06]>> Yeah, I feel I always feeling that.

[00:33:09]Okay.

[00:33:09]>> So, yeah. So, that uh Dr. Nuri is he's a second my oldest Indonesian uh friends.

[00:33:18][laughter] >> Yeah. So, because he he he is very friendly for us.

[00:33:22]>> He is he is very friendly.

[00:33:23]>> Yeah. Yeah. But the other Indonesian is very friendly for the Japanese and Yeah.

[00:33:29]It's the most uh biggest um reasons when I come to many times here.

[00:33:34]>> Wow.

[00:33:35]>> Okay.

[00:33:36]>> And and the others as you have a many uh Japan is also the island country.

[00:33:42]>> Yeah.

[00:33:43]>> And Indonesia is also Yes.

[00:33:45]>> But we don't have not so many different uh cultures in Japan. Okay. But you have Somatra uh Jabber Slaves and Kiman and Papua. Uh it's very unique.

[00:34:04]>> Very different.

[00:34:05]>> Yeah. Yeah.

[00:34:09][laughter] >> Do you know? Yeah.

[00:34:12]>> So same as island countries but MBU. So because that you have a many cultures in your only a unique country.

[00:34:24]>> Yeah. So it's very uh uh interesting for me.

[00:34:27]>> Okay. Thank you. Thank you. This is such a great job is very heavy for me but [laughter] >> Yeah. Yeah. We also hate the traffic.

[00:34:37]>> Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

[00:34:38]>> What about you? Oh, I have the same opinion with Kajiki human people. [laughter] >> Okay.

[00:34:49]>> So, you are so friendly there. So, friendship between the >> we and us and the Japanese and Indonesian so very closely and so we can understand each other. Maybe there there some history between them that sometime that difficult sometime so good but now we can trust each other. [clears throat] >> So I will be I can so be so deluxe because so you are so friend friendly but you say that this is a second hometown.

[00:35:22][laughter] >> Okay. And so uh but things is so I like walking.

[00:35:34]>> You like walking >> walking every day and I walk around my house. My house is new house my in Japan is a very good location just 10 minutes walk from the Tokyo Disneyland area.

[00:35:52]So but so it is so difficult to walk [laughter] >> in the city. So I so need to use the gym of the hotel but I don't like the walking in the gym. So it is a bad thing.

[00:36:08]>> You you can walk around Tamini actually.

[00:36:12]>> But you have to come to some places just like going around.

[00:36:22]Yeah, you can visit all cities in Indonesia in Taiwan [laughter] in one place only.

[00:36:29]>> So yeah, I think what Profi don't like from Indonesia is like the the traffic and also uh they cannot easily walk around pedestrian.

[00:36:39]>> Yeah, pedestrian facilities. Yeah, lack of pedestrian pedestrian facilities.

[00:36:45]>> Okay, so uh maybe we will go to our last session. Okay, >> our last session is a rapid fire question.

[00:36:53]>> The fire.

[00:36:54]>> Rapid fire.

[00:36:56][laughter] >> Okay.

[00:36:59]>> So, we call it rapid fire because we will give we will give you questions that you have to answer very quickly.

[00:37:06]Maybe just 3 seconds time to think about the answer.

[00:37:11]>> So, but don't worry.

[00:37:12]>> We have that easy question. [laughter] >> Don't worry, it's not a difficult question. Uh so my first question is for Profi.

[00:37:22]>> Yes.

[00:37:23]>> Uh 3 seconds. Okay.

[00:37:25]>> One skill every occupational health physician in Japan should have.

[00:37:30]>> Ah okay. So it is very difficult.

[00:37:34]>> So we meet so several so people at the work places someone worker someone there. So supervisor someone and so human resource but each has a role and also the individual person. Yes.

[00:37:50]>> So I so like the so the operation like me need to understand the this is different this is a human and so person in the person and the person has so role. Okay.

[00:38:07]>> So we need to understand both >> and then the so talk face to face.

[00:38:14]>> So the skill is so important. Okay.

[00:38:18]>> For occupational physicians in Japan I see.

[00:38:21]>> How to communicate? How to understand people comprehend >> with every different role and also >> okay I see that's a very good answer within within uh uh maybe just one second. Pretty [laughter] sure >> very short.

[00:38:38]>> So maybe now it's uh professor Kaji his turn. Yeah. I have a question.

[00:38:42]>> Yeah.

[00:38:43]>> What do you like most becoming occupational physician practitioner >> or becoming a teacher?

[00:38:51]>> What do you like most?

[00:38:52]>> Um the teacher.

[00:38:54]>> A teacher.

[00:38:55]>> Teacher. Okay. Why? So um I like to uh teach the someone uh so it's one of the reasons okay >> then and also if I teach the the new specialist for operational health >> um it will expand their activities and knowledge and experience to the second st next stage or next new one.

[00:39:21]>> Okay. So it's a big contribute to for the uh teachers.

[00:39:27]>> Okay.

[00:39:28]>> Yeah. Okay. So so I like the teaching.

[00:39:30]So uh I have been belonging in our universities 20 uh 12 years as a lecturer and associate. Associate.

[00:39:42]>> Yes. Uh at the time I was very happy.

[00:39:45]>> Okay.

[00:39:45]>> Yeah. But now uh I I quit my job in the universities and I own my uh consulting companies. I still eight years.

[00:39:55]>> Okay.

[00:39:56]>> Uh but now I'm doing the same things for the workers in the companies as a teacher.

[00:40:03]>> Okay.

[00:40:03]>> But the contents of the training is slight different. Ah >> so but the same uh but I think we I am doing the same things >> to teaching the some knowledge and experience and the practice.

[00:40:18]>> Yeah >> the target is changed but doing is same.

[00:40:21]>> Yeah you still do the teaching part.

[00:40:24]>> Yeah. So uh I like the teaching.

[00:40:26]>> So that he has a very exclusive the talent in teaching.

[00:40:31]>> Okay.

[00:40:31]>> So that we have the uh program for each participant. So I evaluate the teacher.

[00:40:37]Yeah.

[00:40:38]>> Every year his lecture is a top.

[00:40:41]>> Yeah.

[00:40:41]>> He's the best teacher.

[00:40:43]>> The [laughter] best teacher.

[00:40:43]>> Wow.

[00:40:44]>> Wow.

[00:40:48]>> Because he loves teaching so much, he become the best teacher. No wonder.

[00:40:52]That's great.

[00:40:53]>> Yeah. So because I liked uh when I teach some things uh the response is quick. We can get the response very quickly on the face to face trading session. I like this.

[00:41:05]Yeah, >> like yeah uh like a drama.

[00:41:10]>> [laughter] >> But regarding the face to face then maybe you you faced challenge when uh covid-19 pandemic [clears throat] comes you teach by zoom right or maybe other >> yeah it was a dark period >> dark two and a half years the time I couldn't do that uh teach do the face to face >> but now uh after pandemics uh it's it's been finding time for me. So because at this time is so we uh we came here to to to chase the management for professional health and safety for the MKK course participant. It's very uh lucky for me and very enjoyable for me.

[00:41:56]>> Okay.

[00:41:56]>> Okay. Thank you very much. We're also happy having you here to teach our program.

[00:42:01]>> Yes. Okay. So uh this is our uh last session of our podcast. So Profi and Profiki for our international listeners maybe you can give us uh your single most important message.

[00:42:18]>> Okay.

[00:42:18]>> Okay. For our audience maybe prof. >> Yeah. Thank you so much again. So uh to invite invite me here. It's very great honor. I want to come again.

[00:42:31]>> Ah okay. Please, please come.

[00:42:32]>> Yes. And I told you that I've been uh I like to teach you d face to face.

[00:42:39]>> Okay.

[00:42:39]>> So, and please see again on the face to face in Indonesia.

[00:42:44]>> Okay.

[00:42:45]>> With the specialist, our trainees, our resident for the patient health profession. Thank you.

[00:42:51]>> Okay. Thank you so much. Thank you.

[00:42:52]Thank you so much. Okay. Well, you have more.

[00:42:56]>> So now that I'm become the so senior person so I can see the not only the small side but so w side we recently consider the so sustainability of workers and sustainability of the organization like the company and sustainability of the country is a very closely linked between. So that we so patient physician can so [clears throat] contribute not only the worker but also the company >> and through the so discussion with Kore >> to contribute to the country now the so Indonesia is growing up and that's right >> so I feel the so so all of the so young patient can so contribute to the developing the country. So such a mindset I want to so them to help.

[00:44:00]>> So that is my comment.

[00:44:05]>> Thank you very much.

[00:44:08]>> So uh listeners our listeners uh >> ladies and gentlemen >> ladies and gentlemen of course this uh that was our uh podcast session with Profi and Profiki. So before we close the podcast, I would like to remember you guys to follow our Instagram and also our YouTube channel the Instagram is prod_maka fkawe >> and also uh alum the alumni also have the Instagram account which is ili mkaka.fko.

[00:44:40]So please follow the Instagram and maybe give comments or suggestions about our next podcast topic. Okay.

[00:44:47]>> And this podcast you can watch it in the YouTube channel and also maka open mic. So we have many channels you can you can follow you can uh see what kind of education we uh or information that we give in our uh channel or our Instagram account.

[00:45:11]>> Okay. So thank you very much.

[00:45:16]>> [applause] >> I forget. I forget. We have one trademark we have to say. Okay.

[00:45:20]>> Each time our podcast ended, >> which is stay healthy, >> stay >> stay safe and stay comfy. Stay healthy.

[00:45:29]Stay safe and stay comfy. Okay. Can we say it together?

[00:45:34]>> So, stay healthy. Stay safe. And stay comfy.

[00:45:41][applause] Thank you.

[00:45:43]>> Bye-bye.

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