DAVE FILONI "EXPLAINS" DARTH VADER | Film Threat Versus

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[00:00:04]Dave Filoni is he's one of the main creatives in charge of Star Wars and he explains Darth Vader in this Have you seen this clip yet? Yes.

[00:00:16]Oh, okay.

[00:00:18]Okay. I >> I haven't seen it. So, I'm excited to see this.

[00:00:24]Well, here we go. Okay.

[00:00:26]>> No, it's it's a few minutes here. Let's see. Darth Vader explained by Dave Filoni. It's a couple minutes. So, here we go. Peter Vader for me is that like he's not Anakin.

[00:00:37]He doesn't recognize that. He can't.

[00:00:40]Um [clears throat] anything that reminds him of Anakin, he's going to destroy.

[00:00:44]So, when he sees a Jedi, he's going to destroy the Jedi because the Jedi would remind him unconsciously or consciously that he betrayed all of his friends and everything he knew and the life he grew up with. For what? For nothing. He lost everything. He made a bad trade.

[00:00:58]He was lied to, he was deceived, he didn't accept that truth. So, he's even farther down the path than Maul. Maul is struggling to let go of hate, but Anakin got consumed by it. If he were to face what he did, it would destroy him more.

[00:01:15]You know, I I I find a lot of pity for him because of what he did and the depth of his treachery.

[00:01:23]And that's Darth Vader.

[00:01:25]Anakin's trapped in there somewhere and Darth Vader won't let him surface. And so, to me, the key is not to actually give him a character. He's the devoid of it cuz he doesn't care. Darth Vader does not care. He's not have compassion. He does not see you. He sees the thing he wants to destroy and he will do that. It's like the same feeling you got in Rogue One when he comes down the hallway. He doesn't talk to those guys. He's going to destroy them. He has one mission and all of his remorse and all of his anger and all of his hate is in every swing that he does. It's like that's how it resolved himself. So, he was a destroyer.

[00:02:01]She would of all people remind him of who he was.

[00:02:04]Yeah, got to destroy that. I can't face that.

[00:02:07]You know, and and so like Obi-Wan, he wants to destroy that. So, he's a he is a destroyer, Darth Vader, and only critically only his son >> [clears throat] >> only his offspring could make him spark could make him see something. But at first selfishly, you and I can rule the galaxy. That's where he goes.

[00:02:25]He doesn't come all the way back. It's a long process. So, There's like a minute more left.

[00:02:32]It's some word salad and nothing.

[00:02:34]Yeah. I feel like he doesn't get it.

[00:02:38]He doesn't.

[00:02:40]We can explain why after if you want.

[00:02:42]Yeah, yeah. Let's watch We'll watch the rest of it.

[00:02:45]>> And and the reason for that is cuz this is George's character. This is the backbone of the whole thing.

[00:02:51]And you don't want to do anything that interrupts that or changes that or diverts that. And this this doesn't do it because this is the price you pay when you give in to your anger, when you give in to that terrible side of yourself. And it should terrify all of us because we're all capable of that.

[00:03:08]That's the terror. We're all capable of doing wrong things, of doing terrible things. It's not something that's just for the Sith or the Jedi. And that's like, you know, Han, he can be more selfish.

[00:03:20]I'm only in it for money. Or by the end, I'm sorry. He chooses to care about somebody more than himself. These are the lessons that George is trying to teach us and wants to show us in these stories. And so, that was the important thing to reflect if you dare to put Vader in a story. You have to do it for the the right reason and then show him the right way. So, What are your thoughts?

[00:03:47]I'm curious what cuz isn't that same what we're sitting beside him? That dude is like super passionate and all into this stuff. How is he on the same page with the >> see the face he was making and then he stays quiet while squirming? Yeah. Yeah, I was about to say there's no way he's on board with this with the way he's saying. Doesn't he like fight Jedi and get triggered cuz he's he's Jedi cuz it reminds him of Anakin or whatever dumb [ __ ] he just said. If anything, like he makes a very conscious choice to turn into Vader and then blames all the failings on Anakin. Anakin couldn't save his mother. Anakin was let down by the Jedi who kept wanting to be the chosen one but were hamstringing him. He believes the Jedi are corrupt. They did ask him to spy on the Chancellor.

[00:04:28]Uh he he's wiping out Jedi cuz he truly believes that's the right thing and his selfishness was wanting to save Padme.

[00:04:34]Now of course he realizes he got sold a [ __ ] false bill of goods there and so he spends 20 years trying to recruit someone to kill Palpatine, but all that other [ __ ] he just doubles down on everything. He doesn't like, "Oh, I can't think about Anakin." So he tells Obi-Wan to the one line they got good in Kenobi. You didn't kill Anakin. I did.

[00:04:52]Now he's lying to himself there cuz that's what Luke reminds him of, but by and large that's the way he copes with it. It's the Jedi's fault. It's Anakin's fault. I'm Sith. I'm stronger. I'm going to do better.

[00:05:04]But I Is this a whole explanation um as to why the character of Darth Vader was used in the Maul show? Is that what sparked that?

[00:05:13]>> Yeah. Yeah, and why he was quiet even though the obvious answer is they James Earl Jones is dead. And the last And the last times they used uh AI everyone got mad at at the Kenobi, but I haven't seen this show. So he just shows up and doesn't say anything? No, it makes Yeah, he doesn't It's It's actually great. Uh Darth Maul's the best thing they've probably done over at Disney and it's because Dave Filoni isn't involved. They had new writers and Sam was involved in it. But yeah, no.

[00:05:37]Vader shows up because the Inquisitors can't handle Maul and the two Jedi and it was actually really good. He's very intimidating, but also he probably would have said one or couple of Yeah, it's just it's odd to hear I just roll my eyes constantly when Dave Filoni opens his mouth.

[00:05:54]It's just so surface level explanations. It doesn't really feel like it truly understands what George is saying, but it feels like he thinks he knows exactly what George was saying.

[00:06:05]Like he has speaks with that confidence and it's just a lot of nothing. He's just saying it's surface level superficial stuff that it's pretty basic that we already know, but he thinks that it's very deep insights that he's sharing and it's just a big word salad. Well, Luke is not the chosen one. George has confirmed that like seven [ __ ] times.

[00:06:27]Anakin is the chosen one.

[00:06:30]Is that what he said that Luke was the chosen one?

[00:06:32]Someone in the chat was like, I think Luke's the chosen one. You think that all day long, but George has like explicitly said that Anakin is the chosen one.

[00:06:39]Well, let's hear from George himself on what he uh on on what what he thinks of Darth Vader here. Let me just Let me just play this real quick.

[00:06:51]The real fun of Episode Three is the fact that it connects all the dots.

[00:06:55]Finally, you can see how Episode One relates to Episode Six and how they all come together. A lot of people that have followed the Star [music] Wars saga over these years will will obviously be interested in how Anakin becomes the man in suit. Darth Vader became such an icon in the first film, Episode Four, that that icon of evil sort of took over everything, much more than I intended. If it had been one movie, that wouldn't have happened. He would have been revealed to be [music] this pathetic character at the end of the movie. Uh but now by adding episodes one, two, and [music] three, people begin to see the tragedy of Darth Vader as what it was originally intended to be. And I like the idea that the person you thought was the villain is really the victim. And uh that the story is really about the villain trying to regain his humanity. It becomes really the story of Darth Vader's redemption. The real fun Yeah, so um any thoughts now hearing from George?

[00:07:55]Wish they had paid attention to that line.

[00:07:57]Right.

[00:07:58]>> [laughter] >> Yeah, I'm just tired of all these characters being used for very superficial reasons just to We're seeing Darth Vader again. Yay. Like did we really need it? Do we need to see Darth Maul again again in another show? But even though it's I guess it's well made, but yeah, it just seems like a It's just a justification to smash action figures together without any true thought of what does this mean for the characters? Why are we doing this?

[00:08:26]What's the story motivations? Is it Is it going to contribute anything that will enrich the character in the universe?

[00:08:34]Without knowing the context that that the reason that Dave Filoni is like talking about this is because Darth Vader is in the Maul show.

[00:08:43]>> appeared in the Maul show.

[00:08:46]And and he doesn't speak and that's why like that's why he's saying all of this.

[00:08:50]Without knowing that and just hearing what he is saying about Darth Vader and then comparing that to what George is saying about Darth Vader, like uh Dave Filoni makes it seem as if like they're like two completely different people.

[00:09:05]And by by doing that saying that like Vader for me he's not Anakin. It's like well he is Anakin. And by by making it seem like it's they're two separate two separate people, you're taking away from that arc of Darth Vader. It's not redemption then at the end, yeah.

[00:09:23]>> Yeah, it's not redemption. You're You're not You're taking away from it if you're if you're saying that oh they're two separate people. You know, he doesn't consider himself he's not Anakin, blah blah blah. All All that All that words out that he just said, you're you're actually taking away from that redemption of Anakin, right? by saying those things.

[00:09:39]>> when he says that like oh no or Vader's cope about it when he says well that was Anakin but he knows it's him. He thinks that it's a Jekyll and Hyde situation that Vader is suppressing Anakin?

[00:09:50]Like no, >> [laughter] >> No. No, this is one person who can choose who has a choice of whether to pursue good, to be compassionate, and then the other side, the selfish side, the path of the dark side. These are choices. And by saying those two things you're taking all of that choice away from Anakin. You You know what I mean?

[00:10:10]Like oh it's just a total totally different person.

[00:10:13]You're taking that away from him. And in order to like maybe what? Let Anakin get away with a clean slate? I don't understand why he's saying those things.

[00:10:21]You know, but by saying that they are one person making these decisions, making these choices, it adds more weight to his redemption later on. And Dave Filoni saying oh they're two different people, like no, one had one is he was like trying to cope, that's not really Anakin making those decisions. He doesn't want to do that.

[00:10:39]He lost everything. He was lied to. He can't accept that truth. Like that's fine. That's all well and good but you're saying that like they're two two different people. Well also saying at the same time that Anakin's motivations are what's driving Vader. So what are you really trying to say? It doesn't make sense to me.

[00:10:59]I think everything he says just seems to cloud the lore of it. When they did the Obi-Wan show with uh with Vader and Obi-Wan, their rematch, Mhm. what what did he say uh they just so they could have the line to Obi-Wan to speak that you didn't kill Anakin Skywalker, I did. I feel like it was just in there solely to because that's what Obi-Wan said later in the movie.

[00:11:23]Uh but it just it's confusing how that was portrayed then because then it makes it seem that they are two distinct entities and they're like Jekyll and Hyde.

[00:11:34]And It's just a very weird. Like these are choices he made. He chose to go down the dark side and he chose to save Luke and come back to the light. It's yeah.

[00:11:45]Yeah. I mean it sounds like he needs to spend some more time with George >> [laughter] >> and really hash things out and really let be explained what's going on. He spent He doesn't listen to George anyway. Yeah, that's why Snoke is still alive.

[00:11:57]Right.

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