Can This Student Condemn Radical Islam? | Let's Do Something On Campus

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[00:00:00]If Israel is committing a genocide, then I absolutely condemn it and BB Netanyahu should be arrested. Now, I'll ask you, can you do what I just did and condemn radical Islam?

[00:00:07]>> Radical ideologies >> unbelievable >> throughout the world.

[00:00:10]>> So, you'll all when someone is on a subway and is yelling Christ is king, I'm not going to run. When a Jew is yelling Baruk Hashem, I'm not going to run. But when someone is yelling Allah Akbar, I wish it wasn't true. But statistically, you have good reason to run because disproportionately the religiously inspired terrorist attacks are committing by who? not the Buddhist Muhammad, by Muslims. So, can you face the camera and join me in saying that radical Islam and radical Islam specifically should be called out?

[00:00:36]>> Any sort of rad radical ideologies?

[00:00:38]>> But I find that so problematic.

[00:00:39]>> Hey guys, Shabas Kam here. We are at the University of Southern California in the People's Republic of California and we're going to ask some students some difficult questions. Let's do it and let's do something.

[00:00:47]>> Since September 11th, there have been more than 58,000 Islamic inspired terrorist attacks across the world on almost every single country on planet Earth. Now, are those individuals who are shouting Allah Akbar, are they authentically interpreting the Quran?

[00:01:00]Are they authentically interpreting Islamic law? I don't know. I'm not a Muslim. Probably not. Let me just make the claim then I'll let you respond.

[00:01:07]Probably not. You know, is Islam a religion of peace? Sure. I'll be honest.

[00:01:10]I don't really care. I'm sure it is a religion of peace. I'm sure it has great things in there. But all I care about are the actions are the behaviors of individuals. And when you have individuals like Isma Alhaneia, when you have individuals like Yahu Sinir, when you have individuals like uh Baku Bakar al-Baghdadi who say that we want to kill the infidel, we want to reestablish a caliphate. Even if that is not an authentic interpretation of the Quran, even if it's not an authentic interpretation of of Quranic law, I don't care because they want to kill me.

[00:01:37]And radical Islamic terrorism, unfortunately, has been a reality that many in the West have had to face, particularly I'm a New Yorker, particularly us Americans.

[00:01:46]>> Okay. So within your claim, you're giving out specific people that you even yourself are saying you don't know whether their interpretation of the Quran is even correct. Right? So why do you classify them as Muslims?

[00:01:58]>> Because they themselves say as a Muslim, as someone who was commanded by Allah, I'm going to do those things. And that is the exact same justification that Islamic terrorist groups like ISIS, like al-Qaeda, like Boo Haram, like the Taliban have said. So whether they're accurately reading the Quran, I don't care. All I care is they are presenting themselves as Muslims saying that we are going to kill the infidel and establish our caliphate. And as I always say, the greatest quantitative victims of radical Islam is who are Muslims. So Muslims should be the most vocal against radical Islam because they're the ones giving your religion a really crappy name.

[00:02:32]>> Yeah. Okay. So my point is radical anything is a threat to America. Radical Christianity, radical Judaism. Right. So from your perspective, right, what you're saying is that you take what these people are are um doing and crimes that they're committing, right? And then you're tying Islam to them because that's what they're claiming. Correct.

[00:02:52]>> Yes. So in New Orleans, for example, on January 1st, there was an individ.

[00:02:57]So my point is right I could take the same argument with Israel and say hey Netanyahu the people the government of Israel is committing a genocide in Gaza right whether they are genuinely um you know taking what is in the Torah and in their belief system whether that's whether they believe that is true or not according to the actions that they're committing um they're you know to me they're Jewish people committing a genocide. Is that fair for me to say?

[00:03:29]>> So, I'll answer your question with a question. I'm I'm happy to talk about the Middle East, but let's just stay focused on the United States and how to get to it later.

[00:03:35]>> Sure. I'm happy to get to it, but let's just stay focused on the United States just for one second. If you can point to a radical Jew or a radical Christian who have blown up subway stations, who've hijacked planes, who've beheaded individuals for converting the faith.

[00:03:46]Can you point to radical Jews or radical Christians who have done that in the United States in the name of their religion? I mean, that's a >> I can point to two radical Islamists just three weeks ago who threw IEDs outside of a uh protest against Islam in New York City. So, if you can point to radical Jews, radical Hindus, radical Buddhists or radical Christians who are also beheading people for leaving the faith who are also throwing IEDs at First Amendment protests, then I would agree with you and I would join with you. But, but let me just But can you seriously like can you point to individuals in the United States doing that? Yes or no? Yes or no?

[00:04:15]>> That's not how you have a conversation.

[00:04:16]And then I'll let you convert. That's not how you have a conversation though.

[00:04:19]Well, can is my point accurate or not?

[00:04:22]>> That's that's >> Are radical Christians blowing up subway stations?

[00:04:25]>> That's not fair to say.

[00:04:27]>> Pick and choose specific things.

[00:04:29]>> Fine. So, I'll make it as broad as possible. Are other individuals in the same number as radical Islamists? Are other individuals from other religions blowing up buildings, beheading people, um committing honor killings in the same number as radical Islamists? Are they?

[00:04:42]Maybe educate me. Are they >> I mean, yeah, Israel's committing a genocide. Let's talk we'll talk about Israel in a second, but because I'm an American, I live here. I'm I'm not an Israeli and I don't live in Israel. I care about the American people cuz I live here. So in America, who are the people who are blowing up the buses, who are committing honor killings, who are beheading, who are they in the same number, if not radical Muslims.

[00:04:59]>> Okay. So you said you care about America, right?

[00:05:01]>> Yeah.

[00:05:01]>> You pay taxes?

[00:05:02]>> Yes.

[00:05:02]>> Yeah. How much of your taxes go to Israel?

[00:05:04]>> Again, I will talk about Israel. I'm happy to talk about Israel, but right now I just want to bring my point back to America though, right? How much How much of your taxes go to Israel?

[00:05:11]>> Almost nothing. Less than 1%. Well, I'll respond. You ask me the question, I'll answer.

[00:05:15]>> That's not true.

[00:05:16]>> What's not true? that almost none of your taxes go to Israel.

[00:05:18]>> So how much of the federal budget goes to foreign aid? What percent do you know?

[00:05:22]>> A good amount. I know billions of dollars. I'm not sure the percentage. I know billions of dollars.

[00:05:26]>> 0.8% of the federal budget goes to foreign aid.

[00:05:28]>> Definitely not true.

[00:05:29]>> Look it up right now. I'll pause the com. Look it up right now. What% of the federal budget goes to foreign aid?

[00:05:33]>> What% of >> the federal budget goes to foreign aid?

[00:05:36]>> Federal budget goes to foreign aid.

[00:05:37]>> Yep.

[00:05:37]>> Because we can totally debate opinions.

[00:05:39]We can't debate facts.

[00:05:40]>> Mhm. So it says about 1% >> about 1%. of that 1% so we spend roughly I think the number is seven or eight trillion dollars every single year as the federal government less than 1% as we just demonstrated goes to foreign let me finish the point less than 1% goes to foreign aid of that less than 1% do you know what percent of the 1% goes to Israel >> what is 1% of a trillion >> what is 1% of a trillion what does it have to do with the conversation you're saying that we spend a lot of our money goes to taxpayer funding to Israel even has nothing to do with the argument what is 1% of a trillion >> uh 10 billion >> exactly so how much money is that But if you let me finish the point of that 1% and it's not 1% of a trillion, it's 1% of eight trillion. We spend $8 trillion as the federal government. So 1% of eight trillion a quick math is what $80 billion maybe someone can fact check meion of that 1%.

[00:06:25]>> Do you think Israel is the only country we give foreign aid to?

[00:06:27]>> Yes or no? Do we give a other countries?

[00:06:29]Yes or no?

[00:06:30]>> It's the only country that we give foreign aid to that's actively >> committed genocide. Sure. But israel the only country we give foreign aid to?

[00:06:36]>> We give the most foreign aid to them.

[00:06:37]>> What do we give? What's the number?

[00:06:39]>> A good amount. I'm not sure. You keep saying that, you know, so much of my taxpayer money. I'll tell you the number. $3.8 billion goes to foreign aid.

[00:06:46]>> Take a guess. A very significant amount.

[00:06:48]>> Okay. How much we give?

[00:06:48]>> It's more than 3.8 billion because we also send packages. You >> you keep moving the goalpost. 3.8 billion to give to Israel. How much do we give to Egypt?

[00:06:55]>> 3.8 billion. And then we send packages routinely that are not accounted for in that $3.8 billion.

[00:07:00]>> I'll get to that in another second.

[00:07:01]Again, you keep deflecting. I want to focus more on America, but I'm happy to get engaged in Israel. Of that $3.8 billion, how much we give to Egypt?

[00:07:07]>> How much?

[00:07:07]>> $3.2 billion. So, I find it fascinating that we spend less than 1% of our federal budget on foreign aid. Of that 1% less than 30% actually go to Israel.

[00:07:16]And of that $3.8 billion we give to Israel, 3.3 billion of those dollars have to be spent on American companies in the United States. We generate hundreds of dollars per $2 we spend giving money to Israel. And by the way, you want to cut foreign aid? I'm happy to because it's so insignificant to our federal budget. But that totally deflects from the main point which is us as you're an American citizen. Yeah. Us as Americans living here in the United States, we face a problem of radical Islam. And I find so often when I bring this up so often people will talk about Israel. Great. Cut foreign aid. I really don't care. Let's focus on the United States. There is a growing threat of individuals who want me dead because they abhore my values. They abhore my religion. They abhor the things I believe in. And if you can point to similar religions that are committing those crimes in similar numbers. I promise you Muhammad, I will stand with you and call out radical Judaism, radical Christianity, radical Buddhism.

[00:07:58]But none of those things are happening.

[00:08:00]Can we not concede that there's a disproportionate amount of Muslim men committing acts in the name of your religion, which I wish they wouldn't?

[00:08:06]Can we not concede that that is currently happening in the United States?

[00:08:09]>> They're the thing is they're radical.

[00:08:11]They're not they shouldn't even be considered, >> right? So let's you and I let's call out radical Islam and tell them you are corrupt anything. I'm going to call it radical point to the camera and say that we need to condemn radical Islam.

[00:08:22]>> We need to condemn any ideas that are radical.

[00:08:24]>> No, no, but what you're doing is you're all lives mattering the issue. So when I was on the left, I marched for black lives matter. And when people said all lives matter, we would get upset because we would say of course all lives matter.

[00:08:33]Right now, we're focusing on black people because they're the ones facing systemic racism. So, it's true all radicalization is the problem, but again, the prompt is radical Islam because disproportionately when someone is on a subway and is yelling Christ is king, I'm not going to run. When a Jew is yelling Baroo Hashem, I'm not going to run. But when someone is yelling Alaw Akbar, I wish it wasn't true, but statistically you have good reason to run because disproportionately the religiously inspired terrorist attacks are committing by who? Not the Buddhists, Muhammad, by Muslims. So, can you face the camera and join me in saying that radical Islam and radical Islam specifically should be called out?

[00:09:08]>> Any sort of radical ideologies, >> but I find that so problematic.

[00:09:12]>> I ideologies in the world affect everyone negatively.

[00:09:15]>> Wow. I I I find it really remarkable that you are unwilling to stand up and actually defend your own faith. I'm not a Muslim and I hate the fact that hundreds of Muslims are being unfairly blamed for radical Islam and I find it remarkable that you as a Muslim are unwilling to join the hundreds of millions of people in your own faith who are trying to uh battle radicalism.

[00:09:32]The thing is, the issue is this isn't really even about like Islam or anything. The issue is that radical ideologies in general specifically are a big issue. So why come out here say you're going to have a conversation, right, and say, "Oh, radical Islam is an issue, right? Why don't you say radical ideologies are an issue?"

[00:09:49]>> So is it because you inherently think that uh that Islam is a dangerous religion?

[00:09:53]>> No. As >> because that's what I would that's what I would assume. That's what I'm sure every single person that's walking through here is assuming. Well, then they're welcome to have a conversation, engage in nuance. I can't be responsible for people's assumptions on my beliefs.

[00:10:03]What I will say is I would actually argue >> the conversation isn't happening in good faith.

[00:10:06]>> I So, let me be as honest and genuine and transparent as I can. Just because you already know what I believe, you're not letting me finish it. No point.

[00:10:12]>> Just because you're saying, "Oh, I'm willing to have a conversation." Does not equate to you having that conversation in good faith.

[00:10:17]>> So, let me say this as clearly and as articulate and publicly as I can. I'll even face the No, I don't want to face the camera. I want to face you because I am upset that radical Islamists like Yahwin and Isma Alamir and Abu Vakar Alva Bagghdadi have tarnished your faith because I don't believe I don't believe that all Muslims are inherently prone to terrorism. That is a disgusting thing to believe.

[00:10:36]>> You shouldn't believe that any Muslim is prone to terrorism.

[00:10:38]>> I don't believe that. That's what I'm saying right now. So, let me continue.

[00:10:41]I'm glad we're in agreement. What I do believe, because this is the case, is that your religion is being unfairly tarnished by a radical few. And I find it remarkable that I'm willing to defend your religion and saying this is not all Muslims and I'm going to support radical Islam and you can't. That to me is really fascinating. So I'll ask you one last you face a camera and say um radical Judaism is an issue.

[00:10:59]>> Radical Judaism is an issue and if there's any radical Jew who's committing acts of terrorism against Jewish people or any people of faith in the name of Judaism, I condemn him. So you do condemn Israel? No. Because I don't believe that Israel is committing a genocide. So you won't do that. Again, you're changing the goalpost. That's not it has to do with radical ideologies.

[00:11:15]I'll do it. Happy to. If Israel is committing a genocide, then I absolutely condemn it and BB Netanyahu should be arrested. Now, I'll ask you, can you do what I just did and condemn radical Islam?

[00:11:23]>> Radical ideologies.

[00:11:24]>> Unbelievable.

[00:11:25]>> Throughout the world, >> so you'll all matters.

[00:11:27]>> So, how come? Can I ask how come you forced me to condemn radical Judaism, which I had no problem doing?

[00:11:33]>> How come you asked me to condemn radical Judaism and I had no problem doing it?

[00:11:37]But when I ask you to condemn radical Islam, all of a sudden it's problematic >> because the conversation is having the conversation you're having is not in good faith.

[00:11:43]>> So, when you asked me to condemn radical Judaism, that was not in good faith.

[00:11:45]when you asked me to do it.

[00:11:46]>> No.

[00:11:46]>> Oh, it wasn't in good faith.

[00:11:48]>> No, like I'm saying it wasn't not in good faith. That's all.

[00:11:50]>> So, it was in good faith. Okay. So, then I'm going to reciprocate. I in good faith am going to ask you, can you condemn the worst elements of your religion?

[00:11:56]>> No. Because I don't I don't I don't consider my religion to have >> those bad elements. I don't consider people boo haram al-Qaeda.

[00:12:05]None of those people consider Muslim.

[00:12:07]Okay. So if Israel is committing a genocide, I can just arbit neither would majority of the Muslim world consider those ideologies as Muslim. And the fact that you're sitting here and saying that radical Islam targeting it specifically on a Friday, that in itself is racist and that in itself is a conversation being had in bad faith. Um just because you're saying, "Oh, you know, I'm willing to have a conversation," does not equate to it being in good faith. That's the the biggest issue with the border that you're having up here. Right? If you came up and said radical >> ideologies in the United States are a threat to America and then you sat here and said, "Oh, you know, radical ideologies from the Christian sect, from the Islamic sect, from etc., whatever."

[00:12:51]Then you said you had a conversation with me, then it's a completely different story.

[00:12:54]>> What you're doing, >> you think you're pointing like you don't think you're singling out Islam in this?

[00:13:00]You don't think that? I am singling out radical Islam because as I said they're the ones who are trying to kill >> radical Islam.

[00:13:05]>> I already told you terrorist organizations like the Taliban, Boka Haram, al-Qaeda and ISIS who have explicitly stated that they want to kill the infidel and are currently doing it.

[00:13:12]As I said more than 58,000, hang on, I I let you speak. Let me just give me 10 seconds. 58,000 terrorist attacks have been committed by Islamists in the name of Islam. And so I'm willing to condemn radical Islam in the same way I'm willing to condemn radical Judaism. And I find it remarkable, I really do, that what you're doing is the exact same thing that conservatives did during Black Lives Matter, whereby if you truly cared about, you know, black lives, why are you focusing on black people? Focus on all lives. Focus on all people who are facing systemic oppression. And we said, "No, because right now the problem is black people. They're facing systemic racism." So, I don't understand why you're so particular in one sense and then so universal in the other sense.

[00:13:45]Why can't you just condemn the worst elements of your religion? I'm trying to help you. Honestly, I am.

[00:13:49]>> It's because the Black Lives Matter was a movement, right?

[00:13:53]to >> to show the world that black people are dealing with systemic injustice, right?

[00:14:00]>> Yeah.

[00:14:01]>> Right now, the entire world is on fire and it has nothing to do with religious ideologies, right? It has more to do with violence in the world. Like, >> okay, we have to stop the video cuz Daniel just told me that some of you are watching this, but you're not actually subscribing or even sharing this with a friend. We all have that one annoying guy in our friend group who disagrees with like everything we say. So, make sure take 5 seconds and just share it with that dude. And now let's get back to the video. Violence committed in the name of Islam. And I want to help your religion and say that they are not doing it in a proper way and you should. And I find that my issue is as a Muslim I'm telling you right who you're considering as these radical people that are committing these acts of violence.

[00:14:35]Right? If I'm telling you straight up that, hey, they're not Muslim. Why are you still labeling them as radical Muslims?

[00:14:40]>> Well, I'll answer. I'll tell you in the same way I already told you. Because when an individual like Yahoo Sinoir says, I am as a Muslim man am going to do this thing in the name of Allah. I have no choice but to take him seriously as a deliberate fully functioned human being as part of Western civilization. I would be stupid. I agree. It's not fair.

[00:14:58]That's why I wish you would call out radical Islam because it's not fair to your religion. So why am I as like the white dude trying to help Islam and you as the actual Muslim won't. I find that remarkable.

[00:15:06]>> I don't think this is help.

[00:15:07]>> We actually had a Muslim about an hour ago sit down and he unquestionably was able to condemn radical Islam because the people who are the largest victims of radical Islam, you know who they are, Muhammad, it's not white like me. They are Muslims. So why won't you help your fellow brother? My issue is right, radical Islam in itself is like an oxymoron. Like that's my point. It doesn't even exist.

[00:15:25]>> So you're saying when the ISIS when the when ISIS beheaded Christians for not bowing down, excuse me, >> when ISIS beheaded Christians for not converting to Islam, >> what was that? If you said it's not real, what is it then?

[00:15:38]>> I'm not I never said that it wasn't real. Right.

[00:15:40]>> You just said that's not a thing. So what is it then?

[00:15:42]>> Yeah, I'm saying that >> so what is it?

[00:15:44]>> Yeah, I'm saying that violence in Islam is not a thing. Like, >> so when people say in the name of Allah, I'm going to behead Christians because they won't convert to Islam. If you're saying that's not a thing, what is it?

[00:15:54]>> That's terrorism. That's radical violence.

[00:15:56]>> So terror. So are you willing to condemn Islamic terrorism?

[00:15:59]>> I'm willing to condemn terrorism.

[00:16:01]>> Again, I I think we're going in circles here.

[00:16:02]>> What is Islamic terrorism? Is >> there Jewish terrorism?

[00:16:06]>> If there are Jews committing acts of terrorism in the name of their religion, absolutely. I will call it out. I don't understand why this is so problematic.

[00:16:12]If there are Christians committing acts of terrorism in the name of Christianity, I will call it out. But as I keep going back to, and this is where I say we're going in circles, disproportionately the acts of terrorism that are being committed in the world, number one, and the acts of terrorism committed by people in the name of their own religion, are disproportionately being committed not by the Scientologists, not by the Mormons of Utah, but by who? The Muslims, particularly coming from the Middle East. And I wish that wasn't true because Islam has much to teach the world. In fact, I believe as someone who believes in the Hebrew Bible, that we have an appreciation to Islam, an appreciation of Christianity, because they brought about messianic expectations, and they brought about monotheism. And it bothers me to no end that your religion is being tarnished by these awful human beings, and you won't even call them out.

[00:16:51]>> Yeah, because the conversation is inherently problematic.

[00:16:55]>> What specifically?

[00:16:56]>> Okay, let me tell you this. You said that um radical Muslims are the biggest cause of violence in the entire world, right?

[00:17:02]>> That that's not my that's not conjectural or speculation. I'm happy if you want to fact check me again. You can look up right now of the people committing acts of terrorism in the name of a religion which religion is disproportionately represented.

[00:17:12]>> That's hold on. So Israel is committing a genocide in right.

[00:17:16]>> So we know at minimum according to you gave me the um health ministry >> 72,000 according to health ministry that number is outdated. There's people in the rubble. It's easily over 100,000.

[00:17:28]Right.

[00:17:29]>> What is that?

[00:17:29]>> So I I would say two things.

[00:17:30]>> And those that's committed by the state of Israel.

[00:17:32]>> Sure. I would say >> who's claiming to be Jewish. Is it fair for me for is it fair for me to say that Judaism is the biggest cause of violence in the entire world?

[00:17:39]>> If they were committing genocide, it would be a fair.

[00:17:41]>> They are committing genocide. By definition, by definition, ICJ, they're committing genocide.

[00:17:45]>> First of all, the ICJ say did not say that. The ICJ chief actually came out and said international amnesty international also said that the United States was committing genocide.

[00:17:52]So if you want to make an argument of authority, that's a different argument.

[00:17:55]Sorry.

[00:17:55]>> Where were they committing genocide?

[00:17:56]>> They were committing they were currently committing a genocide against African-Americans. So if you want to make an argument of authority, that's one thing.

[00:18:00]>> United States is >> Yes. So if you want to make an argument of authority that oh all these organizations are saying it therefore it must be true. All these organizations were saying in the 1930s and 40s that Jews were not being gassed. So you have to quantify the claim or qualify the claim. But I will say because again you keep moving the goalpost goalpost to Israel which I think is I'll respond to the accusations right now. When you say the when you say the Gaza Health Ministry who runs the Gaza Health Ministry just educate me.

[00:18:22]>> What are you going to say?

[00:18:23]>> I want you to say >> what are you going to say?

[00:18:24]>> I'm not I won't listen to you. You're not sure. Okay. So who currently runs Gaza? What's the government representation? Hamas.

[00:18:31]>> Hamas. So the health ministry of the government of Gaza would therefore be who?

[00:18:35]>> It would be Hamas.

[00:18:36]>> Hamas. Great. So you're saying we should trust a terrorist organization that committed an actual genocide on October 7th when it comes to their own numbers.

[00:18:42]Okay. I'm willing to concede that argument for whatever bizarre reason.

[00:18:45]I'm willing to concede it. Of the 72 >> I could say the same exact thing for Israel, though.

[00:18:49]>> I I didn't make the point yet. Of the 72,000 people that you said have been killed. I'm just curious. How many has Hamas said are part of Hamas in that 72,000 number? What has Hamas said?

[00:18:57]>> What would you say?

[00:18:58]>> No, I'm asking you the question. What has Hamas said? I >> I'm happy to educate you after, but first I want to know if you know. Do you know?

[00:19:03]>> No, I'm not sure.

[00:19:03]>> We don't know. So, I'll tell you. Hamas has said zero. Hamas does not count any of their members who were actually killed in October. Does that Does that strike you as odd that they don't actually count their own combatants as part of the death toll? Is that odd?

[00:19:15]>> I mean, frankly speaking, I don't even think what you're saying is like true at all. Like 72,000 is a number on the low end.

[00:19:21]>> Okay, you're somewhat answering my question. How many of that Let's say it's a 100,000. Again, I'm willing to concede everything in this conversation.

[00:19:27]How many of that 100,000 are Hamas members?

[00:19:30]>> Let's say, okay, let's say 50% of them are.

[00:19:32]>> Great. If it's 50%, that would actually be the lowest combatian ratio of any war ever fought in modern warfare. Lower than Fallujah, lower than Mosul, lower than World War II. Was Fallujah a genocide? Was Mosul a genocide? Was World War II a genocide?

[00:19:43]>> Let me let me go back to your point.

[00:19:44]>> If you're saying that genocide is when people die, then every single war ever fought in human history would be a genocide.

[00:19:48]>> Hold on. Let me go back to your point.

[00:19:50]So, >> let me go back to your point. Cuz you keep moving the gold post. I want to talk about radicalism in the United States and you keep moving to to Israel which I find all the individuals keep doing because they don't want to actually respond is an entity of the United States like it's very much >> what does that have to do with Americans us Americans living in America.

[00:20:02]>> Let's go back to um let's go to the point that I was talking about 50,000 of them 50,000 out of 100,000 people let's just say are Hamas members >> for this argument. Right.

[00:20:11]>> Sure.

[00:20:13]>> You stated earlier that there's 58,000 um instances of Islamic radical terrorism. Right.

[00:20:18]>> Yeah. So if you you so the state of Israel kills 50,000 people right within the past what >> I don't care about >> two or three years right okay state of Israel kills 50,000 innocent civilians within the past 2 three years >> and then you're trying to say from 911 on there's been 58,000 instances of radical terror radical Islamic terrorism right >> those like >> so I I think you're not understanding the statistics What you're trying to argue is that would be 50,000 different acts of Jewish terrorism. When I say 58,000 acts of Islamic terrorism, that does not mean 58,000 people have died.

[00:20:57]In fact, far more than 58,000 people have died. That would be, in fact, if you want to take Syria as an example, if we were to use your logic that each civilian death would be an act of terrorism, then there was alone in Syria in the last 6 years 1 million acts of radical Islamic terrorism because that's how many civilians have been killed by the Syrian Islamist. But of course, no one wants to talk about that even though we as Americans also give foreign aid to Syria. So, I'm actually not sure why people always focus on America, on Israeli foreign aid, which I've already conceded. Great, let's cut it. But no one ever wants to talk about Syrian foreign aid, Egyptian foreign aid. You know, there's a massacre against Christians in Nigeria today. We've given Nigerians a billion and a half dollars.

[00:21:27]What exactly we're getting from that?

[00:21:28]You know, we give Somalia billion dollars in foreign aid. What exactly have we've gotten from Somalia, but again, I want to go back to radical Islam because that was the prompt of this conversation. I'm happy to keep talking about Israel. But again, I'm happy to concede the point and foreign aid because it's so inconsequential. And by the way, if you don't want innocent civilians to die, then I would expect that you would join me in calling Hamas, the radical Islamist government, to surrender, right? Should they surrender?

[00:21:47]>> I think like my like my point is that there should be no violence in the world in time.

[00:21:52]>> I agree. So, should Hamas surrender and return their arms?

[00:21:54]>> That's such like a um that's such a pointed question like that's correct.

[00:21:59]Yeah. So, like >> should Hamas surrender?

[00:22:01]>> Should Israel surren like should Israel stop bombing um Lebanon?

[00:22:04]>> Yes, absolutely. The moment Hezbollah the moment Hezbollah renounces the bomb.

[00:22:08]Yeah.

[00:22:08]>> So, could I not like I'm not saying I'm a Hamas sympathizer, but could I not make the same argument that oh, the moment that Israel stops bombing that Hamas should concede?

[00:22:17]>> Well, the problem the problem with that argument is it fundamentally ignores that on October 6th, how many Gazins were being bombed by >> What about since 1948? What about the occupation?

[00:22:26]Let's go even earlier. Let's go to 1929.

[00:22:28]What? Actually, pick a year. You pick a year. What year do you want to go?

[00:22:30]>> Let's go back to Theodore Hersel. How about that?

[00:22:31]>> No, no, let's go even earlier. Let's go even before that. I agree. Let's go earlier. When do you want to You tell me. 1897. Sure. What's your point about the >> Herzel? Yeah. So, >> Zionism.

[00:22:41]>> Yep.

[00:22:42]>> Would you say it's a Jewish belief?

[00:22:44]>> Uh, it depends how you're defining Jewish belief.

[00:22:46]>> Depends on how you're defining Jewish belief.

[00:22:48]>> Yeah. As in how are you defining it? And then I can answer >> asking you. I'm not Jewish.

[00:22:51]>> Well, I can answer it based on how I'm defining a Jewish belief. As in, is it a a moral code that you find in the Hebrew Bible? Yeah. As in Orthodox Jews pray three times a day. You know what direction they face when they pray?

[00:23:00]>> What?

[00:23:00]>> They face Jerusalem in their what?

[00:23:02]>> Okay.

[00:23:03]>> Okay. That's what that the first the first direction that Muslims prayed towards was Jerusalem as well, >> right? And now they don't. Now they pray to Mecca. But I digress. In those thrice daily prayers, you know what Orthodox Jews say dozens and dozens of times every single day.

[00:23:14]>> Yeah.

[00:23:15]>> What does it what does it say?

[00:23:16]>> The return to Zion. So again, that's why I want to quantify what you're finding as a Jewish belief because you cannot open a Hebrew Bible and go to a random page and it does not talk about um Erit Israel. It does not talk about the land of Zion. So if you want to make an argument of political Zionism, that's why I'm interested in how you're defining it. But from a theological perspective, yeah, Jews are the only religion that I know of that are actually named from the country they come from. Jews come from Judea. So I find it remarkable that individuals will make the argument that Jews somehow are not indigen indigenous to their ancestral homelands.

[00:23:46]But again, this is getting super off topic. I'd rather talk about radical.

[00:23:49]>> So you're saying there's a difference.

[00:23:50]So So you're saying there's a difference between religious Zionism and political Zionism?

[00:23:54]>> Again, it depends how you're defining these things.

[00:23:56]>> But that should be one definition for things, right? Sure. So, I'm happy to concede. I'm happy to concede that Jews should have self-determination in their ancestral homeland in the same way that Palestinians should have self-determination in their homeland.

[00:24:06]The problem is, what is the entity that is keeping that up? That is not preventing that from that is preventing that from happening. I'll give you a clue. It's Hamas. So, will you look into the camera and say, "Hamas, you radical Islamists, I want Palestinians for there to be a state. You should disarm." Will you do that? Because I think if Hamas was able to disarm and we were to able to bring democracy, I think you would have a Palestinian state, which I want.

[00:24:25]So, are you willing to look into the camera and tell Hamas right now to disarm? Will you do it?

[00:24:28]>> Well, I think the biggest thing will do it.

[00:24:30]>> You're doing this like you're doing this like will you do it? Will you do it? No.

[00:24:33]>> Yes. In the same way you did it to me and I'm happy to do it. Let me here.

[00:24:35]Ready? I'll do it again.

[00:24:36]>> Um, if you're a radical Jew and you're committing acts of terrorism in the name of Judaism, I absolutely condemn you and you should stop. And Hamas, if you are using civilians to hide underneath, if you are using radical Islamism to commit acts of terrorism, you should also stop.

[00:24:48]Now, will you do the exact same thing?

[00:24:50]>> I mean, >> no. Okay.

[00:24:52]>> I find that remarkable. And again, I want to help him, but it seems like you don't >> No, I think your conversation and your entire argument is inherently >> in bad. So, that's the issue.

[00:25:04]>> So, what specifically can I do to show it's not in bad faith? What specifically am I doing that's in bad faith?

[00:25:08]>> I mean, it's the fact that you're like, you're saying, okay, look at the camera as a Muslim person. Look at the camera.

[00:25:14]I want Hamas to disarm. Do you want Hamas to disarm?

[00:25:16]>> I want Israel to disarm.

[00:25:17]>> Okay, sure. Do you want Hamas to disarm?

[00:25:18]>> Sure. Yeah, >> you do. Yeah. Great. Why? Um because as of right now uh here let me put some context. How about this? Right. Whenever a country is oppressed right whenever people are oppressed they're going to fight back. Yes or no?

[00:25:32]>> Um it depends how you're defining oppression.

[00:25:34]>> Yeah. How is it? It depends. If like anyone if if any one of you if I'm absolutely beating the out of you, would you not fight back?

[00:25:41]>> Well, in that sense, absolutely. But in the context of Gaza, who rules Gaza? Is it the Israeli government or is it the Palestinian government?

[00:25:46]>> I mean, yeah. Since, you know, 1945, right, we have >> You mean 1948? 1940 whatever 194 whenever these things matter.

[00:25:53]>> 1948 you know Israel has been uh committing an active genocide and occupation of Palestinian land.

[00:26:03]>> Oh. So how many if that's true? How many Israelis currently live in Gaza if they're occupying the land?

[00:26:08]>> That's that's such a flawed argue.

[00:26:09]That's really like >> So then how are you defining occupying the land? Because the occupation requires people to occupy the land. But you're making this new category. You can occupy a land and actually not control it, not rule it, and not live in it. You guys do control. I don't know why you're saying you guys. I'm an American, so don't conflate me. But again, I want to understand when you say that it's occupied, how many Israelis live in Gaza today?

[00:26:30]>> What's the number?

[00:26:30]>> That that shouldn't define occupation.

[00:26:32]>> Okay.

[00:26:33]>> Um, fine. Before you get to that, how many Israelis live in Gaza? Even though it doesn't define occupation, how many controls Israel controls the sea, Israel controls the land. Israel controls the electricity that goes into Israel controls the food that goes into when October 7th happened right after. What did Israel do? They cut off food. They cut off electricity. They uh started shooting at ships in the boats. What does that mean? That means they have control over those parts of Gaza. What is that by definition? That is occupation.

[00:27:01]>> Sure. So, leaving aside the factual inaccuracies which I'm happy to get to.

[00:27:04]>> Where are the factual inaccuracies?

[00:27:05]>> Uh let's go with starvation for example.

[00:27:06]According to Hamas's own numbers, how many Gazins since October 7th have died of starvation? Just wrap it up.

[00:27:10]>> You have to leave.

[00:27:11]>> Okay, right now we got 5 seconds.

[00:27:14]>> Okay, we'll leave it at that. I appreciate it, Muhammad.

[00:27:16]>> All right. Good meeting you.

[00:27:17]>> Good to meet you as well. And even though we obviously disagree on, at least we're able to do it in a civil way. Okay, that was a crazy conversation. I learned a lot, including I really want to move back to New York.

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