Rachel Wilson Easily WON This Voting Rights Debate Against CLUELESS Kathy Barnette!

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[00:00:00]kind of >> I think he's he's asking >> how would you feel if you didn't have breakfast today Kathy >> you know you guys can subscribe if you want to know more about me by going to my uh substack >> Rachel Wilson debated this woman here Kathy Barnett on what was the prompt here uh should women vote it was on women voting being obviously Kathy Barnett, she's a strong independent WMAN and so she thinks that women should vote, but Rachel brings all the Z facts and Zlogic as always. And uh well, let's just say it doesn't go well for Kathy at all.

[00:00:44]>> Happiness that I want. Then why didn't they grant all men the vote? Why was the why was the nation founded with only a small percentage of even white men voting?

[00:00:54]they truly believed all men. If in other words, we're arguing over what those phrases mean, right? Because we don't agree on what they mean. I don't think they meant every single individual person should have equal political infranchisement. Um to say that all human beings are created in the image of God and have equal dignity before the Lord is certainly different than saying every single person should have a say in the governance of the nation. If they believed that's what it meant, why didn't they set it up that way from the outset? And again, I'm sure you probably know this that one of the requirement for uh people to vote was back then in that time was whether or not you own property or land.

[00:01:34]>> And so, I mean, so if we're going to take away a woman's right to vote, why not take away the right to vote of those who don't own land? And after you take away their rights, uh I mean, should we also resend the 15th amendment that gives the right of of black people to vote? No. It becomes a very slippery slope when whoever has the auto pen in their hand that they get to make up the rules uh on who gets to vote because at that point you're no longer living in a republic. You're now living in banana republic. You're now living in Venezuela, right? And now we're walking around.

[00:02:10]>> But right now we're not living in a representative republic. We are living in a universal suffrage democracy which is not what the country was founded to be. That is not what the framers had in mind. And if it was, they would have set it up that way. But they didn't. We had extremely limited suffrage for most of our history. We had things like pole taxes, literacy taxes, uh, religious exemptions. Some places you had to, uh, maybe be a firefighter or do some kind of civic duty first, land ownership. You had to be much older. You, the voting age wasn't 18 until recently either. The founders set up the nation with all kinds of restrictions on suffrage. It was never meant to be one person, one vote. That's clear. That's clear because it never was until very recently. And what you're describing is a movement not toward tyranny uh for not a movement away from the tyranny of the founders towards something better. What you're describing is a movement away from the founding of the nation which was conservative and a representative republic and the progressives progressing toward a universal suffrage democracy which has resulted in tyranny.

[00:03:17]We do not have the freedoms we had at the founding. We pay the taxes we pay in this country would have the founders rolling in their graves just as one example. So, I'm wondering again, you've kind of just >> I mean, imagine uh rebelling like just pretty much starting your own country because you're sick of being overt taxed without representation.

[00:03:39]And then, yeah, they would be rolling in their graves if they saw how much we're paying in taxes now. And it's absolutely true. They didn't want democracy. That's why we don't have a pure democracy. We have the electoral college. They didn't want everybody to vote. Thank you very much, Robert Flowers, for the $4.99.

[00:03:53]Uncle Fatty is a Bryce Chef fan. Sad thing is he is the most normallooking fan Brian has. Sarah felt so strong kicking LG. Brian owes her big time.

[00:04:02]Yeah, he really does. Thank you very much, Robert Flowers. Thank you very much, Del Phil, for the two. Here comes the highly educated black woman. That's right. That's right. Angry fish Bruce for the Fiverr. Saying this woman is educated is a slippery slope. I know.

[00:04:15]See cucumbers with more IQ. Thank you very much. Bruce >> described like, "Oh, I'm thinking that they this is what they wanted all along.

[00:04:25]It just has it's taking us hundreds of years to get to where they really wanted us to be." Do you have any evidence to support that the intention of the founders was to have universal suffrage?

[00:04:37]>> Allow me to say that a couple of things.

[00:04:40]One, I uh when I was uh working as of a vape Rama Swami's national grassroots director, one of and as his So that's one of the things that kind of reminded me of Brian Shapiro. She does the like the little name dropping too, you know. Uh she does that a few times.

[00:04:57]Joshy Stab for the 10. Rachel Wilson is currently what Ben Shapiro was to the debate space in 2017 is currently what Ben Shapiro Oh yeah, exactly. Yeah, I agree. Sorry. I saw Shapiro and and I for some reason I thought Brian Shapiro was like, wait, what is that an insult?

[00:05:13]But you said Ben Shapiro. I I completely agree. Thank you very much, Joshy. Stop for the 10.

[00:05:19]Yeah. But first, let me tell you this long rling story that has nothing to do with anything. Brian and Kathy. Yeah.

[00:05:24]>> Advisor. One of the things we talked about and he became perhaps the first modern-day president under my lifetime anyway to actually say that perhaps we shouldn't have universal suffrage, which is very different from what you and I are here talking about. you and I are here talking about whether or not women should be able should be allowed to vote specifically now what universal suffrage however yeah I agree with you that you know and Vake put it out there we talked about it as a team and we agreed with that that perhaps you know those who are graduating from high school perhaps they do need to do either e either take the civic test that uh that most people have to take when they want to become um a legalized citizen in our country and pass that test or uh do some kind as civic engagement or enroll in the or sign up for the military. I'm not here to argue against that. What I'm specifically here to talk about is, you know, whether or not women should be allowed to vote and I stand by what I said. Now, is it hard? Yeah. But you know what? Uh the price of liberty is eternal vigilance. So, I agree with you.

[00:06:33]We are a long way from even when I was born. Uh, you know, I mean, who would have ever thought we would, you know, be talking about two men um, you know, renting the womb of another woman to to produce a baby is a family and we're okay with that and, you know, designer jeans. No, yes, I agree with you on that as well. We have gone a long way from what is moral, what is good, what is right. But you know I'm sure you probably are aware of this but John Adams also said that the constitution is made only for a moral and religious people. It is completely inadequate for any other kind of people. Right? So we can you and I would would probably agree that well but what is moral? It simply mean people who know the difference between right and wrong. People who know the difference between up down a boy and a girl. You're right. Like like that's where we are right now that we're supposed to pretend we don't know the difference between a boy and a girl. So, you're right. I I truly believe that our nation is in trouble and that we're skating on the precipice as a country when you can't even determine what is a boy, what is a girl, where the constitution is at stake. But again, I go back to, as I said in my opening statement, that the answer to a manipulated or ignorant or moral or or immoral group of people is not stripping away rights that the government didn't give in the first place, but it is for people like you and I to go out into the marketplace and start persuading better, teaching better, um, organizing better, right? So, >> so you don't seem opposed theoretically to limiting suffrage. you you conceded that there could be cases where maybe we should and that we need to talk about why we would want to limit women's suffrage specifically and then you brought up rights and so let's get into rights. Uh I it would be my assertion and I think this is irrefutable but we'll see what you think. Isn't it the case that any notion of women's rights is granted and enforced by men at their behest?

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[00:08:54]Well, it's funny because she she appeals to like the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence so much, but it's like, yeah, but who enforces those?

[00:09:01]Who enforces those? Men. Men enforce that. Scott, thank you very much for the two. Kathy Pratt and filibustered uh Rachel one easily. Yeah.

[00:09:11]>> Women have rights if men do not grant and enforce those rights.

[00:09:14]>> Of course, we have rights whether they granted or not.

[00:09:18]>> Okay. So, >> and I said that in my opening statement that these rights already uh existed.

[00:09:24]>> If President Trump signed an executive order tomorrow rescending women's rights, just saying ah we're going to repeal this 19th and uh that's that.

[00:09:34]What would women do about it?

[00:09:36]Well, what did uh uh though uh the people at the Boston Tea Party do about it in 1773?

[00:09:44]>> Well, American Revolution sparked the nation.

[00:09:49]>> But women didn't go to the Boston Tea Party and start throwing um >> That's not true. Have you ever been Have you ever been there? Have you ever Women were there as well? Women were there as well. Listen, you and I are not being in the >> Have you been there? Have you been Have you taken a time machine and gone to the Boston Team Party? Cuz I have. You haven't been.

[00:10:11]>> Audience is not the same thing as you.

[00:10:13]>> You and I are not going to disagree, Rachel, that women are not men. I agree.

[00:10:19]Women are not men, right?

[00:10:20]>> And I said it before it became cool to say it, right? And I you and I are not you and I are not going to disagree that I am not I I cannot do what Jake can do, right? I cannot do what what my son can do or my husband can do. Right? So, I'm not here to argue that women and men are interchangeable and we're just widgets.

[00:10:41]I don't I don't subscribe to that. My entire life has been uh against the bakedin lies of feminism. Hold on. I think Sure. But as it applies to what we're talking about right now, when you say we have these inaliable God-given rights, I would say actually God did not put in the Ten Commandments, thou shalt let women vote or or everybody gets to vote. Right? These are new, as I said in my opening, these are new post-Enlightenment ideas that that everyone is equal in every single way.

[00:11:14]And what I'm saying is that why should women have the same political power as men when we do not have to register for the draft when we turn 18 like a man does? We cannot do this was a a main argument of the anti-suffrage women. And maybe um if you read my book, you know that only about 4% of women like strongly supported suffrage in the beginning and women voted against having the vote so often that the women's suffrage associations stopped letting women vote on whether they wanted the vote because the women kept saying, "No, we don't want to be a political power block. We don't want to be involved in politics. It's dirty, nasty stuff. We have our own sphere of influence and that's where we belong."

[00:11:56]uh they argued that women cannot protect the borders. They cannot build and maintain the infrastructure of this nation and they cannot go to war to defend our country. So why should we have equal say in those matters with men?

[00:12:08]>> So if a man >> Yeah. I mean that's all there is to it right there. Uh there's sometimes where it's like like Rachel will make a point and it's like yeah I don't know what's so hard about understand about that.

[00:12:20]Like this should be done already. And then she'll just come back with, "So what you're saying is and or go on some long diet tribe and it's like, oh my gosh, angry fish for the five. I don't understand where the Wilsons get their patience or where their opponents get their education. It's like watching a guppy fight a lion fish." Well, there you go. Thank you very much, Angry Fish.

[00:12:38]Thank you very much, Rachel Wilson, for the 1999.

[00:12:42]Thank you very much. I fact, I fact checked her and there is no historical evidence whatsoever that there are women at the Boston Tea Party. There were women uh who play who played the support roles in the revolution, but that's a different claim. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, she just it's like she just made it up.

[00:12:59]She just got it from the book of I made it the [ __ ] up. But thank you very much, Rachel. Very much appreciated.

[00:13:05]>> And is if a man become incapable of defending the border or going to war, should we also strip him of his right to vote? Is it based on that? No, I don't think it's bas Well, this is a really common Rachel, Rachel, in order to have a conversation, we have to go back and forth.

[00:13:24]>> Just as you know, um, you know, some pointed questions. And again, I have to go back to uh, you said, you know, that thou shalt vote is not in the ten commandment, but who who don't vote? I mean, what group of people >> are ruled over and don't have a say in anything and just have to do whatever the king or their owner or their master tell them. God did not create me to be a slave. And so, and our founding fathers recognized that there is a God in heaven who has made all of us equally. Not that all of there is a hierarchy. I do believe that. And I'm all about Ephesians, right? And so, uh, however, there is a God who has created us to have certain rights. And again, the right to live, the right to have freedom, and the right to pursue my life in the manner in which I deem I want to pursue that life. And now the government's role, they were very clear in the Declaration of Independence that became the framework for the Constitution. The government's role is not to give me rights. The government role is to one secure those rights. But in order to secure those rights, the government has to recognize that I have these rights, right? And that the government derives its power from the govern. Now, if the the American Revolution was launched on the belief that, for example, taxation without representation is tyranny. And so, if we remove if we now resend the a woman's right to vote, are you also proposing that I no longer have to pay federal income taxes? Is that is that the quid proquo that's on the table? Because if that urge that if I have no say in how I'm being represented, then I don't want that kind of government. And in fact, it was a strong enough urge that caused our that caused the colonists to go into a very violent uh assault on England. And so if that if that principle applies to men, why doesn't it apply to women?

[00:15:40]Because by 1913, women were being taxed without the ability to have a voice in the government.

[00:15:47]>> Okay. So, there's a lot that I think we should kind of keep our back and forth a >> Oh, yeah. I'd always laughed at her huge jug of water that she kept like, "Holy cow, that's a huge jug of water."

[00:15:58]>> Little bit briefer just so that we're not monologuing to the point where we have 10 points to address back and forth. It might be a good idea, but >> I will agree with that if you do too.

[00:16:07]>> Yeah. First, you didn't address my point about women's rights are I mean, this is something people don't like to confront.

[00:16:14]They don't like to hear this because we've had a hundred years of feminist propaganda telling us otherwise.

[00:16:20]>> Women don't have rights unless men grant them to us and enforce them on our behalf. We, you and I, Kathy, are not going to rise up and physically take back our rights if they are rescended.

[00:16:32]And I can give you examples of this from all around the world. But we also have an example right here in the United States where in the state of Utah, women were granted, it was the second state to give uh women a vote when it was still a territory. And under the Edmunds Tucker Act, that right was taken away in the 1870s, I believe. And so women in Utah had the vote for a couple decades. It was taken away for about 50 years before it was granted again in the 1920s. So this idea that once the government says you have a right that you're always and forever going to have that is silly. We saw this with Roie Wade and women losing their minds over abortion.

[00:17:11]>> Uh the men grant rights to women and because of that because men are the ones who build and maintain this country.

[00:17:19]They defend its borders. They fight and die in wars. They are obligated by law to sign up for the selective service and women are not. Why do we deserve equal say in how any of that goes? We cannot I don't think women should be telling men how to build and maintain the country, how to defend the country, how to enforce its laws because we cannot do those things. And now can you answer specifically just to that portion of my argument?

[00:17:46]>> Yeah.

[00:17:46]>> Or the ability to freaking our children in the womb. Uh thank you very much.

[00:17:51]Melrophe for the five. God made us all equal, but I'm better than drafted men because I volunteered for a non-combat role in the military, Kathy, yesterday.

[00:18:00]Thank you very much, Mela.

[00:18:02]>> Yeah.

[00:18:04]>> And we want to keep it a bit more brief here. Got the answers. Uh and otherwise, if it's not brief, we're going to have to do the like one minute or two minute monologues back and forth. But yeah, let's try and let's try and address the questions. Cover it.

[00:18:15]>> Okay. To I I wrote down a little bit of what you said. You said a lot, but I wrote down as much as I could. Your question is men grant rights >> and >> women and and if and women cannot do anything like cannot you know uprise against I mean you said if uh and a woman cannot rise up and defend those rights >> or the resention of those rights >> and so again the the fallacy here are you are you saying I just want to make sure that I'm clear on what you're saying so you're saying that if I cannot not rise up and defend those rights, then I don't have those rights.

[00:18:57]>> I'm saying that as >> No, I mean I mean I mean to Jake's point just yes or no. I mean that >> No, that's that's So what you're missing is >> I wrote it down.

[00:19:08]>> See, I wrote it down. That's what you said. I wrote it down. Okay, you wrote it down, but yet you still don't quite grasp what she's saying. That's what I mean. It's like I I I don't know. I just don't get it. I just don't understand how this is not understandable to people. Like I said, I think are just some people just refusing to understand.

[00:19:26]Is it because we've been programmed and brainwashed for so long that it's like we just can't grasp it? Like, you know, and I'm talking about we, I'm talking about as a culture, as a society, like what's going on here? Uh, thank you very much, Hamerwolf, for $4.99. If women can't vote, then they should pay income tax. Your terms are acceptable, Kathy.

[00:19:44]Yeah, exactly. Thank you very much, Hammerwolf, for the $4.99. wrote it down wrong. Yeah, probably just probably right. We was kangs.

[00:19:54]>> Well, what you're >> You want to just elucidate the point?

[00:19:56]Yep.

[00:19:57]>> Yes.

[00:19:58]>> Men as a whole, as a group, we rely on them to enforce any rights we have.

[00:20:06]>> We can't enforce rights on our own behalf. So, we are asking and petitioning men for those rights. And those men, benevolent as they are, grant them and enforce them on our behalf.

[00:20:18]>> And so, and so allow me to ask. So, you said men uh men grant us these rights.

[00:20:24]And if and if they >> uh and I'm assuming you're alluding to men have the strength and the ability to enforce these rights. And if they don't enforce these rights, >> then women don't have the strength or the ability to do anything about it.

[00:20:41]>> Yeah. So, are you saying to me then I just want to make sure >> So, you're saying then and watch how she just completely mischaracterizes what Rachel said. Uh, Kathy versus Brian Shapiro, who would win? Yeah, I I was asked earlier. Um, that's a tough one, but I'm honestly I don't know. I I I I would have to go with Kathy because that's how bad Brian Shapiro is. And I could see him bowing down to the strong black woman and being afraid to kind of offend her. But I don't know. But I I think I'm gonna go with Kathy because Brian is just that bad. You know, I think this woman is smarter than Brian.

[00:21:22]Not by much, but I think she is. Del Phil for the 10. We are at war with an ideology that supports and defends child. Uh yeah, that alone makes it a holy war. And Kathy likely does not support these things, but she would open the door to them. Not one step back.

[00:21:36]Yeah, that's the sad part. But thank you very much, D. Phil, phone is dying, but it was a great stream as usual. Cool. Vic, have a great night and God bless everyone. God bless you too, Parks.

[00:21:45]>> Sure that I'm clear here that I mean, Jake, I saw one of your videos where you were boxing and all of that. I love MMA, by the way.

[00:21:53]>> So, are you saying to me that if a weaker man comes in, let's just use you, Jake. if a >> I wonder if she's trying to to she's trying to appeal to the moderate compliment the moderator so that way Jake would rule more in her favor you know trying to get them you know by the way Jake I love your boxing videos I love your muscle arms I love MMA >> where you are boxing and all of that I love MMA by the way so are you saying to me that if a weaker man comes in so let's just use you Jake if a stronger man comes in is and and he's able to beat you up and you can't do anything to defend yourself against him. Does that mean Jake no longer has rights because he can't physic he doesn't have the physical capacity to do anything about this man coming in?

[00:22:42]>> So you're not I'll try again because you're not quite understanding it. So you think I am understanding what let me explain clarification. So I'll clarify when we say women are the one who have children. Okay, >> that means in general not all women have children and not all women can have children, but only women can have children. It's the same with men.

[00:23:05]>> Not all men can fight in a war. Not all men defend the border, but only men can do those things. So, that's where we have to clarify. We can't be stuck in this hyperindividualist uh mindset where we're thinking each and every single person and every exception.

[00:23:21]The exception proves the rule. So if you look around the world, women don't have rights in every society.

[00:23:28]>> Okay, just I'm just explaining how things the rest of the world. I'm talking about our country, which is the greatest country that has ever existed. I'm sure you will agree. I don't know if you agree. I'm assuming. But America is the greatest country that has ever existed.

[00:23:42]And it's the greatest country that has ever existed because it was founded upon these values that have found their way into the framework of not only the Constitution but the Declaration of Independence and and so I'm not very interested in the rest of the world but just our country. And again your premise if your premise is based on strength >> who wrote the concentrate like who wrote the Declaration of Independence though?

[00:24:07]Who did that? Who who did it? Who enforced it? who [ __ ] fought a war just so that way we could create this country. Who did all that Kathy? It's not you're not making the arguments you think you're making.

[00:24:19]>> Declaration of independence and and so I'm not very interested in the rest of the world but just our country. And again your premise if your premise is based on strength the ability then it has to apply even to the weak man or to the baby who can't defend themselves.

[00:24:36]And I just find it it's just so full.

[00:24:39]It's it's illogical to try to argue that I cannot I >> It's funny because she brings up babies.

[00:24:46]Yeah, babies don't have the same rights as adults. Uh children don't have the same rights. Can children vote? Can children get like a um can can children buy or own property or anything? Like children don't have the same rights as adults. So she brings up babies. It's like yeah, babies do not have the same rights as adults.

[00:25:06]Yeah, babies. Dirk Diggler for the 10.

[00:25:09]She isn't smarter than Brian. During the super chats at the end, she asked the breakfast hypothetical and her answer is something like, "Follow my substack if you want to know more about me." My Substack will tell you if I had breakfast or not, so follow me there.

[00:25:23]Uh, I don't think Brian answered the the breakfast question either, by the way.

[00:25:26]So, they're kind of even when it comes to the breakfast question. But, thank you very much, Dirk Diggler.

[00:25:30]>> Should not have rights because I mean, >> I didn't say you should not see this is where this is where you're not using logic. that I should not be able to vote. That I should not be able to vote.

[00:25:41]Now, I spent 10 years in the military. I trained alongside men in the military. I was in the foxholes. I got thrown out of planes. I was out there with my with my M16.

[00:25:54]>> Well, that was because you were being too loud and obnoxious, though. That's why you got thrown out of planes.

[00:25:58]>> I trained alongside men in the military.

[00:26:01]I was in the foxholes. I got thrown out of planes. I was out there with my with my M16. I was leading men over heels and under valleys and all over the place. So I was uh defending. I am very strong.

[00:26:17]But now does that but but but should my rights whether or not I I have rights be based upon whether or not I can beat you up or I can force you to give give them back. No, that's ridiculous.

[00:26:31]>> But you're you're strong universal.

[00:26:34]strong meaning.

[00:26:36]>> Just quickly, guys. Just quickly, guys.

[00:26:38]One second.

[00:26:41]>> Freaking thrown out of planes. Here you go. Ah, I'm upset that we didn't find out until the Q&A that uh Q&A that she was just in the office doing finance for the military. How was she leading men with her M16 and getting thrown out of planes? Yeah, seriously, she just they just say things and they hope not not to get fact checked at all. Thrown out of planes. Uh here you go.

[00:27:06]>> I think that there is there is a little bit of a disconnect going on here. So Rachel, I'll get you to elucidate this.

[00:27:11]Just say for example, Ra, if if you can do a clean and press heavier than me in the gym, all right, does that mean that you should be able to take my rights away and that I I shouldn't have rights?

[00:27:21]>> Of course not. That's not the argument.

[00:27:22]The argument >> What is the argument? Because >> what's the argument?

[00:27:26]>> No, it's based on for use of force. So everything in government >> just so we can understand the argument here. Let's let's make this distinction.

[00:27:35]Right.

[00:27:35]>> Okay. And then let's move on cuz I don't think >> well this is the lynch pin of the argument.

[00:27:40]>> It's funny because I remember later on Rachel even says that like she goes well whenever you can't contend with an argument you just say to move on and then literally the lady goes yeah yeah blah blah let's move on. And it's like oh that that was funny. I was laughing at that. This is the probably the foundation of what we're talking about here is that and as I said anti-suffrage women the the vast majority of women who did not want >> women's participation on a large scale in politics argued this very point and they said look we God has granted men the monopoly on force they are the ones they're the only ones even if Kathy's out there with her M16 only if we had an all female military and we had an all female border defense We had an all female engineering team trying to build infrastru Yeah. So, but >> even if we help men with those things, sometimes men don't need our help to do that. And historically, they've never needed our help to do that. We can have an allmale military, an allmale police force, an allmale border patrol, and only men building bridges and skyscrapers and roads. That works. So, what I'm saying is as a whole, like I tried to explain, only women can have babies. That doesn't mean every single woman has a baby and that if she doesn't have a baby, she's not a woman. In that same way, only men can use force to enforce rights, anyone's rights.

[00:29:05]>> Okay?

[00:29:06]>> So, this this is why sex this is what separates the criteria. When people will say, well, why don't we just start discriminating the vote against uh, you know, people of different races or people of different economic strata or things like that, the difference maker is that >> the task of government is to defend persons and property and women cannot do that. That's a task that only men can do. So why should women have equal say in the government when they cannot perform the functions of government and only men can do that? So are you saying because okay again just paring back >> every time she says so are you saying it just you we all know she's not going to understand what she just said. So are you saying then it's like h Thank you Phil for the Fiverr. Kathy's vet status is an affront to men and women on ships outside of Iran right now. Shout out Payton. God bless young man. Thank you very much Delil for the Fiverr. Rachel says I feel like I did a pretty darn good job explaining this. I don't know how I could have dumbed it down any further further. Yeah. Seriously, >> what you said that only women can have children >> and so and only men can have the force to defend. Am I right? Is that what you said? Okay. So, let's not retract that.

[00:30:22]So then therefore only women can have children but only women can have abortion. So, does that mean abortion is a right and that because Jake or my husband cannot uh ha or Andrew cannot have an abortion then they don't really have anything to say and it's really is my body my choice?

[00:30:42]>> No, that doesn't apply because because the baby we're No, not because the baby we're talking about has equal DNA from it. the baby. I mean, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Because even because even a woman who can have a child, it's not just 100% my DNA. It's my husband's DNA as well.

[00:31:01]>> That's what I just said, Kathy. That's what I just said.

[00:31:04]>> What I said was the baby has a woman has children, then then then this is what women do, but only men have the strength to defend. So then that's what men do. What if the baby is a girl?

[00:31:19]So what if the baby of the go? What I'm saying is is that >> that's not analogous. That analogy doesn't work.

[00:31:25]>> Yes, it does. Yes, it does.

[00:31:28]You have said many times when you're done.

[00:31:30]>> No, thank you, Rachel. Rachel, you have said many times that only a woman can have children. Only a woman can have children. This is what women do. This is women's work. Men can have it. So men doesn't really, you know, so then that's men that this is women's territory. And then you said men can defend. Men have the strength. men can do what they want to do. So then women really shouldn't be telling men what to do. Okay. Now carry that thought to the next uh to the next uh level which is what about abortion?

[00:31:59]Now for everyone who's listening, I'm vehemently opposed to abortion. Uh vehemently opposed to abortion. Um, I've always been opposed to abortion, but I'm just using your logic that if you're not using No, I am >> I was thinking the same things like, "No, you're not using your logic at all." Oh, that's hilarious.

[00:32:23]>> Yeah. Let's Let's get Rachel to to explain.

[00:32:26]>> Once again, you're I don't know if you're not understanding or maybe you haven't thought things through this way before. The reason these two situations are not analogous is for two reasons.

[00:32:34]One reason is the fetus in question is equally belonging to the father as it is to the mother because it has half of each of their DNA. And the second defeater for this and why it's not analogous is that if at any time men want to resend abortion rights, they can and you have to have the baby and there's nothing you can do about it. So it just reinforces my point.

[00:32:55]>> So basically women are just slaves. Like women just have no voice. women because a man can take away anything. A man can give me rights, away rights, beat me up, not beat me up, give me food, don't give me food. I mean, like, what do we do, Rachel? I mean, and again, >> yes, we're facing we're facing the fact.

[00:33:15]>> One moment, Rachel. One moment. Allow me to speak, please. That >> you've been speaking way more than I've been. You go on long diet tribes and >> All right. All right. Just not to get into the meta conversation. We'll just try and land the plane a bit quicker. I think uh that that'll be best for everybody. Uh Kathy >> or maybe instead of landing the plane quicker, thrown out of the plane quicker.

[00:33:38]>> To my point, she responds to what she thinks I'm saying and no matter how much I correct her on what I respond to something else.

[00:33:45]>> Jen trying to we've been trying to get the points elucidated. I think I do understand the points that have been made, but we're just trying to make those distinctions because I'm not sure you've 100% gotten the distinctions. But Kathy, ask the question that you wanted to ask and then Rachel, you can elucidate if you need to.

[00:34:00]>> Sure.

[00:34:00]>> Yeah. I mean I mean I think I proven my point, but Rachel, why did you say again only women can have children? What was your point behind that?

[00:34:11]>> Because I'm saying that in the same way that not all women can have children.

[00:34:17]Some are born with fertility problems or reasons they can't or some women decide not to. But only women are capable of having children. It's the same. It's analogous to how even though not every single man fights in a war and not every single man is building infrastructure or defending the border, only men can do that. And because of that, only men should be the ones voting on how the government is run because men are the only ones that can perform the essential duties of government.

[00:34:47]>> Okay, got it. So only men can defend. So although all men can't defend, only men can defend. So therefore, men should be the ones who make the decisions because they can defend. They have the strength and the power and the muscles to do to really force their will. Uh and women can't really do anything against that.

[00:35:11]Am I correct?

[00:35:12]>> Yeah. It's not it's not a but wait, I have to clarify. It's not a moral. I'm not saying should I'm not saying well men should enslave us. They don't.

[00:35:22]>> I know they don't. I know they don't. I know. And that's not what I'm saying.

[00:35:25]And that's not what I'm saying. You say that you're a founding the founders agreed with me.

[00:35:31]>> Simply repeating what you said, Rachel.

[00:35:34]So you did say that which is what I've been saying the entire time. Which then again leads me to so only all women only women can have children. All women can have children, but only women can have children. So again, according to your logic, only women can have abortions.

[00:35:51]All women don't have abortions, but only women can have abortions only.

[00:35:58]I'm going take this huge leap across 27 buildings to get to my conclusion, which is what you did, which are only men. uh example, I'm going to take these huge leap frogs over here to get to a conclusion that says therefore abortion is a right that because only women can do it and men can't follow. Yes, it does. Well, no, that doesn't follow. And I'll explain again why it doesn't.

[00:36:23]>> No, no, no, no, no, thank you. But what does is your premise alto together and I saw that quite a bit >> so hard. I actually don't know if I I actually I've actually looked at a lot of these debates and I'm not sure I actually understand the argument here in terms of of what we're getting at. So, uh >> if you could just try and summarize it as quickly.

[00:36:44]>> Abortion is not analogous though because as I said, we're talking about killing a child and the child is owned equally by the man who gave 50% of his DNA to help create it. So, it wouldn't be analogous to say that because only women can have abortions, they should be the only ones who have a say, my body, my choice, no uterus, no opinion. No, that is not that does not logically follow for two reasons. One is the fetus does not only belong to the woman and we're the fetus.

[00:37:12]Yes, it's in her body, but that's just its location. It still belongs equally to the man. And the second reason is if men don't grant you abortion rights, you don't have abortion rights. So it's not analogous to my defense and infrastructure.

[00:37:26]>> Okay. So let again allow me to say what I said at the very beginning. I am not here to defend the baked in lies of feminism. My entire life has been uh doing the opposite. When I find out what what a feminist uh principle may be, I have done all that I can to do the actual reverse. And that is how again I've been able to build a life that I'm extremely happy with. But again, I um are you familiar with the fallacy um non nonsequator?

[00:37:57]Nonsequator.

[00:37:58]Yeah.

[00:38:02]>> Yeah. That that was that was great.

[00:38:03]Nonsequator.

[00:38:05]Nonsequator.

[00:38:07]Non-skeletor.

[00:38:09]>> Yes, I am.

[00:38:10]>> Okay. Great. Because I I find that you do that in your book. Um now you did an an amazing job in your book. um Rachel on on uh explaining uh the occult uh aspect behind feminism. Um double clicking on the original suffragist and you know and all the things that they were up to and I mean I I found that part of your book to be I mean just very educational. I'm very grateful for that piece of it.

[00:38:41]>> Yeah. Thank you. But then there would be other times in the book uh that you would make a premise and then you would do nonsecrator right fallacy and for those who don't know what that is that is simp >> oh yeah this definition here too doing a little too much it just means that girl you're doing a little too much >> book uh that you would make a premise and then you would do nonsecrator right fallacy and for those who don't know what that is that is simply I mean it's Latin a girl, you're just doing way too much. And the math isn't mapping on on some things that is too >> exactly what I said you were doing where the premise does not the conclusion does not qualify your premise. I I didn't even make a premise except to try to understand your original premise. I was trying to answer your question, but in order to answer your question, I wasn't making a premise. I was saying, well then if this is what you believe, then logic then the next obvious uh uh step would be this this other thing. I wasn't making a premise. I haven't made a premise yet. I haven't made a premise yet. I was just trying to understand yours. But you start with a premise that says women are emotional and their maternal instincts get weaponized and manipulated.

[00:40:02]>> Let's stick to what we're talking about here in the debate. We we do have to we do have to try and land the plane.

[00:40:07]>> Just quickly guys, when just guys when >> nonsequator Yeah. Sequen character. Yeah. Does Sequtor non Skeletor or nonsector like Mortal Kombat? It does nonsense. I am nonsequator.

[00:40:25]I am nonsequator. He-Man. When the when the moderator speaks, everybody has to be silent. Okay. Uh >> oh. Jake's now speaking. Jake's speaking. Jake is speaking now. A strong independent Australian is talking. You better sit down and listen.

[00:40:43]>> So, just quickly, non sequa. I've just looked up the definition of it. Latin phrase that translated to that that it does not follow. Okay. So, the premise >> the the conclusion doesn't follow from the premise. Okay. So, um >> saying you're doing >> just quickly, are we going now into critiques? We're going.

[00:41:00]>> Yeah, that's literally what Kathy is doing. Not Kathy's doing nonsequators.

[00:41:05]She's the one that's girl doing too much.

[00:41:08]>> Book critiques now.

[00:41:09]>> Is that what we're going into? Because it looks like we're going into something new here.

[00:41:12]>> We have to We still haven't doctrine.

[00:41:16]>> No, but what? No, I'm I'm not critiquing the book. I said I I really enjoyed the book. I've read the book and I enjoyed uh learning a lot about the history of the book. I would encourage anyone to get your book. Um, while you're at it, let me plug my own book. You can get my book.

[00:41:31]>> Oh my gosh.

[00:41:32]>> As well, Nothing to Lose, Everything to Gain Being Black and Conservative in America. Uh, but I really enjoyed your book. Um, >> it's like ain't no one getting your book.

[00:41:41]>> Uh, especially especially the historical aspect of it. I did not know all of those different things. Now I know it.

[00:41:48]And that too has come, you know? I mean, it was just really good. I love the historical part of it. I'm just saying is that you have a tendency like you just did when we when we started off here of making a premise and the premise of why we're here on whether or not women should vote is your premise that I've heard you say in multiple interviews what I read in your book as well is that women are emotional beings um with these maternal >> the argument but that's not the argument I just made and I've got to stop you because you keep going off and reaching for other things.

[00:42:25]>> Okay, go ahead.

[00:42:26]>> The question I asked is so let's take this abortion argument for example because you keep thinking this is analogous and it's not and you're completely missing the point of the force doctrine argument which is >> if men say tomorrow, hey ladies, no more abortions for you. We cannot do anything about it. I'm not saying that's good or bad. I'm not making a judgment claim as to whether or not >> we can't do anything about it because we can't beat >> on Yeah. You got to got to be able to finish >> single sentence this whole time. Yeah.

[00:42:54]>> So, I'm not saying that's good or bad.

[00:42:57]I'm not saying it should or shouldn't be the case. I'm saying this is the case.

[00:43:00]The truth of the matter is that only men can perform the essential functions of government outlined in the constitution, which is why the founders did not grant women voting rights, did not grant women full political infranchisement. And I think that is the correct logical position because unless you can explain to me why women should have equal say with men when we do not have to sign up for the draft, we cannot perform the essential functions of government which is defending persons or property. Why are we there therefore entitled? Because a right is uh an entitlement absent duty. We don't have the same duty to protect and defend the nation men do. So why should we be entitled to that same right to vote on how it's governed? I disagree with you and and and I disagree with you and >> but you have an argument as to why.

[00:43:48]>> Well, and and I'm telling you, I mean, I actually started off, but you did say did not grant women um what was that thought? Uh >> the founders did not grant us.

[00:43:59]>> The founder did not grant women voting rights. Um but the founders did not grant men who did not own property either. Should we go back to that?

[00:44:07]>> I think that that's a I think that would be one consideration. However, now now in Well, let me answer.

[00:44:15]>> We do have to let when the when the questions asked, we have to make sure that we let them elucidate it. Yeah.

[00:44:21]>> Yeah. I'll be brief, but you asked the question. So, I think that was good at the time when we had a very low population density and most people had to own land in order to live. Now, we have mega cities and giant urban centers. So, I would say a similar principle that would apply better to modern times would be net zero taxpayers. I think that if you do not have skin in the game, if you are taking more from the system than you are getting uh or that you are putting in, then you should not have a vote. So, I would limit suffrage more to just no women. But my specific argument for women is just that. And you still haven't answered to the specific argument. You'll go to something else and say, "Well, what about this?" I'm not I'm not I'm trying to understand uh what it is that you're saying because it doesn't make sense to me and I can't make it make sense when it doesn't make sense. And so there's a lot of >> answer this question. No, there's no fallacy questions. Can we move on to another question? How much time have we spent on this? 53 minutes.

[00:45:20]>> See, Rachel was like, you move on to this other thing. And then she literally just did the thing that Rachel said she does. You know, can we move on to the next thing? Can we just move on? You know, the things I'm trying to make sense, but the things you're saying don't make sense to me. Even though you explained it thousands of times, it's just not making sense >> on this one thing. And I think I basically have you.

[00:45:43]>> How about this? I've got an idea.

[00:45:44]>> Too slippery. It's too slippery. What you're saying, it's too many holes. And it doesn't if it doesn't apply, if it doesn't universally, you have all of theseceptions that there are. Ladies, ladies, ladies, ladies, ladies. Okay.

[00:46:00]>> You know, I'll give her credit. At least she didn't bust out with like Brian's argument. It's like, "So you you're saying so what you're saying is poor people shouldn't vote and then go around saying she believes poor people shouldn't vote." You know, at least Kathy's not doing that.

[00:46:15]>> I think one good idea would be to potentially steal man each other's arguments. Okay. So just so that we think just so we can sort of ascertain an understanding from both. So Rachel, if you want to steal man Cathy's argument to the best of your ability, go for it.

[00:46:30]>> Well, I mean, what argument? I haven't even been able to make an argument. I haven't I have not We We spent 54 minutes trying to understand what it is Rachel is actually saying. So now >> that's the That's a you problem. That's a you problem, lady.

[00:46:47]the fact that you've been spending 54 minutes trying to understand Rachel's very simple answers and messages. Yeah, sure. There might be, you know, lengthy, but they're not hard to understand. Um, they're actually they're lengthy because it's actually very thorough um answers.

[00:47:04]So that way you could understand because there's not many much more. She can't dumb it down anymore. She can't unless she starts drawing literal stick figure pictures or doing a little puppet show maybe. So you could understand it can't get any simpler. It's very simple. It's not her problem that you don't understand what she's saying. That's a you problem.

[00:47:26]>> So now if you are not privileged enough to own land or to make a lot of money, then you too should lose your vote. Which goes to which is a lynch pin of mine.

[00:47:38]>> Okay. So maybe Oh, a lynch because I I grew up a poor black child.

[00:47:43]Uh, I guess she kind of is doing the Bri shop argument. So, you're saying poor people shouldn't vote? Yeah. You're saying that if they don't own property, they shouldn't vote? That's a lynch pin of mine. I grew up a poor black child.

[00:47:55]>> So, we spent the whole 54 minutes of our debate of just on this one o only a question. I think just quickly Kathy it was it was a little bit of a straw man because at the start you were saying that you worked with Vakes um Vakes uh campaign and that he and that and that he covered >> so and and that one of the things that he was speaking about was the civics test for young people and that you kind of agreed with that and then Rachel said that Rachel said that this land thing would be a consideration one of the considerations so it's sort of a similar thing um maybe do you want to try and steelman Rachel's point then first if you don't think that you've made your argument yet?

[00:48:32]>> Well, I haven't even been able to make an argument. So >> So you still man Rachel's argument.

[00:48:36]Yeah.

[00:48:38]>> I mean, I think I already have. I mean, it's kind of >> No, you haven't. She doesn't know what steel man means. She She could barely pronounce nonsequittor. She doesn't know what a steal a man argument is.

[00:48:48]>> It's exhausting at this point. It's 55 minutes on the same thing of like this kind of >> I'm fatigued for once. I'm fatigued. The black woman, >> a dog chasing his tail. Um, so if we could, uh, here's a thought that I had, um, in reading your book and in, um, trying to understand what it is that you think about all of this, I saw in watching in and in and look listening to some of your, um, podcasts. Well, and and even here right now, 55 minutes into it, you I find you overeneneralize the experiences for example of um of certain people and you apply it to the whole and that doesn't work very well.

[00:49:36]And you know, one of them being um you mentioned earlier about women in a particular state, I don't know if you said Arizona or where uh who were able to vote going I think this is probably maybe about 40 minutes ago when you were saying >> Utah some women were able to vote uh state by state yada yada. But even that is an over exaggeration of what it was like for those who didn't live in Utah. Um it was very spotty. I read in your book, I think I read it in your book about the Married Women's Property Act of 1839.

[00:50:15]Um even that to your point in Utah certain states would would um come up with these laws to try to undo the cover which said a married woman loses her her legal identity and comes under the cover of the husband.

[00:50:34]Uh, but it was spotty and it wasn't and it wasn't applied evenly and only those women who were Richard says, "I almost bit my lip lip off so many times trying not to laugh. I was trying my best to be respected." I could tell I could tell there's many times where you wanted to uh Yeah, you you had to hold back laughter. I could I could tell >> privilege, own land, had a lot of money or a lot of contacts. they were able to go before court and fight rigorously for their for their um for whatever for whatever it is that they wanted, right?

[00:51:10]Whether they wanted to be able to sign a contract or purchase property or, you know, inherit assets, whatever the case may be. But for those women who were not so fortunate, who grew up on a pig farm or who was poor workingass or black people, they didn't have those same kind of um >> rights or abilities. And again, I find that, you know, like that's a huge piece of whether or not a woman should be able to vote or not be able to vote is that even at the state level, the federal government comes in because the federal government made a uniform decision across the entire land. If we go if we remove the federal um law, the 19th amendment, now we go back to individual states making it up as they see fit, which is not universal. It'll be spotty.

[00:52:03]Some things will be covered, other things will not be covered. And then women trying women who are not fortunate like I am like you are to have amazing husbands. Uh they may need those rights.

[00:52:15]I have no idea what all that that you just said, what point you were making. I have no idea.

[00:52:23]>> I started busting up right there. It was her Billy Madison moment. At no point in that incoherent rambling was there even anything resembling a point. Uh I res I reward you no points and may God have mercy on your soul.

[00:52:39]>> Uh they may need those rights.

[00:52:42]I have no idea what all that that you just said, what point you were making. I have no idea how this relates to women's suffrage or women's rights.

[00:52:53]>> Can you can you try to distill it down for me and make a little bit more succinct?

[00:52:57]>> Okay.

[00:53:00]The women's suffrage, women right to vote.

[00:53:05]In 1839, uh, the Married Women Property Act, uh, started and it started in in every different state. Eventually, all the states had it, but it wasn't equal. It was spotty. And in order and, you know, paper rights, just because it was rights on paper did not mean it was realized rights. And yet you had women who are not so fortunate as you and I with great husbands who needed uh the ability to have the right to go in and make a case before a judge or to go in and to vote for what kind of government they wanted to try to get laws in place that would actually benefit them. And it was difficult for them to do that. They did not have the the power or the ability to go in and to make their case. What do you think about that?

[00:54:03]>> I'm so lost.

[00:54:04]>> Can I try? I think >> I'm so sorry. I have no idea what this has to do with it. So you >> you have no idea. You have no idea what what what the women what the Married Women Property Act >> is. So I'm assuming you have no idea what that is. I absolutely >> and then you have no idea what that is, >> right? Okay then. Okay. So then the next >> I don't know what point Kathy let me try to talk and talk. So are you saying that because some women were less fortunate or there were class differences among women that there have always been some women who weren't able to advocate for themselves >> and then how does that apply to suffrage? I are you saying >> how does it not apply to suffrage? So, you're saying that if women have a a vote and they can vote for a representative that this somehow helps them with being in poverty or growing up on a pig, how what?

[00:54:56]>> No, it it absolutely assists them, right? For example, judges are elected and if a woman, let's say a poor woman or workingclass woman, a black woman went before a judge, which they probably would not >> uh go before a judge, but let's say they did go before a judge. uh they didn't have political clout, they didn't have a network, they didn't have a lot of money to persuade the judge to rule in their favor.

[00:55:23]>> For one moment, but now that poor men too >> even with I mean >> another nonsequittor that's an actual nonsequiter >> that's an that's an actual nonsequittor.

[00:55:34]So the conclusion does not Yes. I'm >> No, it does not.

[00:55:38]>> All right, let let's let's have it >> trying to help you. We're going to have to go to timers. If we can't do this, we're going to have to go to timers in a second. We're going to go a minute on, minute off. But Rachel, explain the nonsequid.

[00:55:51]>> Oh my god. It's always so funny when even like they have to help out their their opponent because they're just doing so poorly.

[00:56:00]Oh my goodness.

[00:56:00]>> Really quickly, >> I already know what the nonsecorator is.

[00:56:03]I was the one who Let's have Rachel explain it because she's making the claim.

[00:56:07]>> Explain how I made a nonsequ.

[00:56:09]>> Explain. Yes. That's >> so topic of the debate is whether or not women should vote. And you were saying that because there are some women who may have been poor or disadvantaged that somehow voting rights are going to help them when they go before a judge if they like need a divorce or if they need something. And what I'm saying is that is a nonsequiter be it doesn't apply to this conversation.

[00:56:30]>> How does it not conclusion? I'm explaining the conclusion doesn't follow from the premise because that would apply to poor white men, poor black men, poor anyone. That's a problem of poverty. That's a problem. But that's a and exactly now you're getting it. So even though men could vote, I'm not disenfranchised men who didn't have assets or whatever were going to still be disadvantaged in society even if they could vote. So it's not a problem.

[00:56:55]>> Okay. So let me explain that piece of it. So let me explain that piece of it.

[00:56:59]What I'm saying is as I mean >> two minutes on the clock, we're doing timers. Two minutes on the clock.

[00:57:04]>> I worked with the political campaign. I ran a as a political candidate against Dr. and many others. And what I'm saying is a person who has the ability to vote, if they walk into my space when I'm running for office and they say, "If you don't do this or if you don't do that or if you don't do x, y, and z, then I'm not going to vote for you. But not only am I not going to vote for you, I'm going to go over here and tell all my other women friends and we're going to make sure that you are not allowed to hold this particular seat next time."

[00:57:35]That is power. And so for those particular women, for example, because we're talking about the right to vote, right? And so that gave certain women power. Now, I'm not saying power to head to be the head of your household. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying out in the legal world for and I used one example instead of multiples. I said going before a judge because yes, many states did have the Married Women Property Act, but just because it was a right that was on paper, it was not always fully recognized. Kind of like the Emancipation Proclamation and then as soon as that came out, >> I don't listen to hip-hop. southern states came up with black code and redlinining and it was very difficult whether they were poor, whether they just didn't know or whether they were intimidated for people who are disadvantaged to plead their case and to have the law heard for them. So in summary, the 19th amendment in one aspect gave certain groups of people, women, political power to be able to get their voices heard. Now, not as a feminist, but political power when it was needed.

[00:58:52]>> Okay.

[00:58:54]>> You know, that that's the thing about like the voting thing though because she says, "Well, you know, if you don't do what we want, then we're not going to vote you into office." But that's like kind of like a double-edged sword.

[00:59:04]That's like one of my issues with democracy right now is that we can't even talk about certain issues. We can't have politicians actually run on things that could fix this country because we're afraid of like offending groups of people like demographics and it becomes all about demographics. It's like, oh, you can't, oh, you want to repeal gay marriage? Well, that's going to cost you the gay vote, so you might not want to do that. And things of that nature. And it's like, that's actually one of the reasons why I hate democracy. Awesome.

[00:59:34]>> Go ahead.

[00:59:35]>> So, I don't understand, again, this does not follow that because there was some universal non- enforcement of certain types of laws, even if you're talking about the Married Women's Property Act or any other similar thing. Uh, that would apply to everyone, not just women.

[00:59:52]So even even right now uh poor men in this country who can vote and do have legal rep have representation in government it doesn't like cure the problem of non- enforcement of a law uh and furthermore like this is missing the whole point completely.

[01:00:11]>> I don't think so >> women even if women can't vote they still have representation. Okay so here's a good example >> if they have a good husband. Okay, Sharon, you're it's my two minutes. So, if I live in Ohio right now and I did not vote for the governor of Ohio, I still have representation in my state.

[01:00:30]It might not be the guy I picked, but I still have representation. All the people in this country who did not vote for Donald Trump still have representation through their president, even if they did not vote for him. So, again, this is kind of just a non sequator. Now, I'd like to discuss why it is that women should be able to vote the same as a man. If so, how about this? Should women have to have the same duties as men in order to enjoy the same rights as men?

[01:01:01]That's a simple question.

[01:01:04]No.

[01:01:06]Why not? because we are created equally but we have different traits and different leanings and different uh aspirations and different uh capabilities uh and different interests.

[01:01:21]Right. So, >> right.

[01:01:23]>> Yeah.

[01:01:24]>> So, why if we don't have the same duties as men, why should we have the same rights? Make the case to me. We're in a court of law. It doesn't mean just because I don't have the same duty does not mean what I'm bringing to the table is of any lesser value and is not needed. I mean, God did not make Adam and just Adam alone. But he brought alongside Adam, Eve, as a helpmate. And he and he didn't take the bone from Adam's foot, nor did he take it from Adam's head. He took the bone from his rib, from his side, so that we can walk equally. But that still does not uh uh uh have anything to do with, as I stated in my opening statement about first principle. I earnestly believe that we are that there is a God in heaven that we >> Okay, you're going off again on a long tangent and you're restating to me what you believe. You're saying I believe because I believe because I believe I'm asking you and and I know you're not a debater. I think you're probably a great public speaker.

[01:02:23]>> I am a debater. Have you Have you Googled me? I'm a very great I'm a great debater. Okay.

[01:02:30]Then in that case, I'm surprised. Then I'll hold you to a higher standard.

[01:02:33]That's fair. If you're a great debater, then I expect you to understand that simply restating your position is not an argument. You have to tell me why. If we do not expect the same duties out of women as we do men, specifically in regards to governing this nation, if women do not have to sign up for the selective service, they do not have to defend the borders, they do not have to go to war, they do not have to build the infrastructure, all things that men as a monolith have to do, or we don't have a country, why do we need why do we deserve the same rights as men? are the only rights uh that men have or just to uh or the only duty men have is just to secure the border. That's the only one you keep talking about.

[01:03:17]>> No, I've me I just mentioned several.

[01:03:19]They build the infrastructure of this country meaning roads.

[01:03:23]>> Yeah, exactly. The Yeah, you know, I was on Piers Morgan. I debated Jack Vobovic, friends with Michael Nolles.

[01:03:29]>> And so women don't do it. And so women don't participate in that. So there are no engineers. So, the woman I saw out here on the street, uh, >> that thing, >> oh my gosh, they always do that. The whole like, yeah, women in general are 5 foot five. Yeah, but I'm 5 foot seven.

[01:03:48]It's like h Yes. Yes. There's We're talking about generalities that, right? I >> over 90% of of infrastructure is still built by men. And same thing again and again we'll go back to my the I'm just pointing out how things work. We we shouldn't be arguing over we agree on how things work. Only men can do these things. When we're talking about the government, we have to say what are the duties and responsibilities of the government? What things does the government do? And the things the government is supposed to do is defend the nation, enforce its laws, and build its infrastructure. That's what it's for. And only men can do that. And I disagree with that and women don't >> and I disagree with that and and and and I guess where we're where we're having a disconnect and what that I don't believe that's the only thing that the government does and like I said at the very beginning the government >> job is onefold it that is to secure my rights it is not everything else allowed it to become and what are my rights >> and what is a right what is a right life >> life is a right >> liberty Yes, I believe I have the right to live. I believe justice and the American way. But I mean earlier she said freedom was a right too. We have a right to freedom. Like what?

[01:05:09]>> And you find it in the Declaration of Independence as well. Um >> I know what is right. Not I'm not I'm not asking rights. I'm ask >> Yeah. Not examples of rights. Just what is a right >> you to define what a right is? I have the right to uh >> It's more of a definitional question, Kathy. So, like definitionally, what is a right? You define it because I'm telling you what it is.

[01:05:34]>> I would say that a right is an entitlement absent duty.

[01:05:38]>> Okay. An entitlement absent duty. I would agree with that. Right. Uh life, liberty. Now, I don't have to do anything. I just have this right to life. Or you know what? Or maybe I go to the first amendment. Uh uh freedom of religion, which is really freedom of conscience to think my own thought. The freedom of um the freedom of speech, right? I don't have a duty. I don't owe you anything to do it. But can I speak or can I only speak if I'm strong enough to beat Jacob? And if I'm not, then I lose that right to the right. Now you asked me what a right is. So um >> yeah, but now you're doing the thing where you wander off into the woods. No, I'm not wandering anywhere. I think you know >> I'm I'm not wandering anywhere. I'm sitting right here. I've been sitting here this whole time. I don't know where you get this wandering business from.

[01:06:27]I've been sitting here this whole time.

[01:06:29]Don't say I am wandering. That is a nonsequator now. Now he be doing the nonsequators.

[01:06:37]All right. Well, listen. I'm getting a little I'm getting a little fatigued by this debate. I mean, there is no winning with this woman. And Rachel obviously tried her very best. Uh Kathy spent this whole whole debate trying to understand.

[01:06:52]She was trying, but she just couldn't.

[01:06:54]She even admitted like, "I'm trying to understand what's going on." And but she just she can't. She just can't. And uh it's really troubling, I gotta say. Um I want to go to the part where someone talks about Bryce right here. Uh let's see. Uh let me go to this.

[01:07:13]Uh, is it this one?

[01:07:17]Uh, nope.

[01:07:19]Uh, nope.

[01:07:21]Uh, nope. Uh, nope.

[01:07:26]Should have timestamped it. Wait, wait.

[01:07:28]What is this?

[01:07:43]Sorry. Give me one moment.

[01:07:48]She started off pretty good but ended up showing her true colors. Yeah.

[01:07:55]>> Oh, here we go.

[01:07:58]>> She is I don't know if Brian I don't know if Brian's a lad.

[01:08:02]>> Oh, yeah. So, right here.

[01:08:02]>> Yeah.

[01:08:06]Very annoying.

[01:08:07]>> I like that username by the way.

[01:08:10]by you. I don't know what that they did.

[01:08:14]>> Well, Relian came in and asked Kathy, "How would you feel if you didn't have breakfast this morning, Kathy?"

[01:08:21]>> I don't know what that means. Are you related to Rachel? What kind of logic is this?

[01:08:28]>> What kind of >> He's asking, >> "How would you feel if you didn't have breakfast today, Kathy?

[01:08:38]You know, you guys can subscribe if you want to know more about me by going to my uh Substack. Uh go to Substack at Kathy Barnett or find me on Twitter at Kathy number4 truth.

[01:08:50]>> And that's where you can learn if I had breakfast or not. Or my Instagram where I share my breakfastes. I take pictures of my breakfast before I I eat it. I share it on Instagram. So that's where you could find out about my breakfastes.

[01:09:02]if you want to learn so much about my breakfastes. You're so concerned about that.

[01:09:09]>> Um, Brian Shapiro comes in and says, "Kathy, we need to see you debate Brian Shapiro. Who speaks about themselves in like first person like that?" And says it would be a good debate. Would you debate Brian Shapiro, Kathy? Do you know who Brian Shapiro is?

[01:09:22]>> I don't. Who's Brian Shapiro?

[01:09:24]>> He's a very annoying uh liberal.

[01:09:26]>> Well, she hasn't heard of Brian Shapiro.

[01:09:28]The Brian Shapiro. Bryce Shap. He's been on Piers Morgan, Tim P, Fox News, CNN, OAN. He knows Jack Bobic, Michael Nolles. What? He has a gazillion bajillion listeners every single day on his radio show, Mondays through Fridays.

[01:09:46]She doesn't know who Brian Shapiro is.

[01:09:49]What the heck?

[01:09:50]>> First person like that.

[01:09:51]>> Doesn't she know what a household name Brian Shapiro is?

[01:09:54]>> And says it would be a good debate.

[01:09:56]Would you debate Brian Shapiro, Kathy?

[01:09:57]Do you know who Brian Shapiro is?

[01:09:59]>> I don't. Who's Brian Shapiro?

[01:10:01]>> He's a very annoying uh liberal guy with a syndicated radio show though in Las Vegas. But he's a liberal and you should you should go and debate.

[01:10:09]>> You should Kathy. I think you'd beat the pants off Brian Shapiro.

[01:10:13]>> Will you um prep me? Um Rachel.

[01:10:16]>> Sure.

[01:10:18]>> Sure.

[01:10:18]>> He only speaks about Trump though. He's Trump deranged and that's all he ever speaks about. So >> that's my favorite topic.

[01:10:24]>> Oh then you actually should. You actually should. Brian himself. Is that who asked the question?

[01:10:31]>> No, it's somebody kind of making fun of him. Honestly, I would like to see you debate Brian Shapiro because I think I think you'd do really well. He's Yeah, >> I'd cover it for sure.

[01:10:42]>> Uh, not one step again.

[01:10:45]>> Cheers.

[01:10:47]>> I don't know if Brian I don't know if Brian's allowed back on my channel to be honest. Oh, >> okay.

[01:10:51]>> Uh, thank you very much for composition.

[01:10:54]Uh Kathy as an offic Jake Jake's already had enough of Bri Chef. He has Bri Chef fatigue. He don't want any more of the Bri Chef and I don't blame him. But yeah, listen, if she likes talking about Trump, then yeah, that would be the perfect debate. I mean, that's all the guy knows. Brif, that's his expertise here. Him spuring about Trump is is like uh that's just that's his expertise.

[01:11:19]That's what he knows. That's all the guy knows. That's all he wants to debate about. he debates on anything else, he [ __ ] well, he loses even when he debates about Trump. But even especially when he's not debating about about Trump, he really freaking loses. That's when he goes, I'm not even a debater. I that's I'm lowhanging fruit. I'm a passion fruit, if you will, because I'm very passionate and I'm a fruit.

[01:11:42]So, that actually would be a good debate. Hopefully, someone sets that up.

[01:11:46]I I my guess I think she would win to be honest. But anyway, that was Kathy Barnett versus Rachel Wilson. Another W for Rachel Wilson. Yeah, this woman just she tried. She tried and she seemed nice. She just she just couldn't understand. She just no no no compre.

[01:12:02]And uh yeah, like I said, it's kind of troubling, you know. Uh hopefully there's uh hopefully this country has more smarter people that could actually grasp what like people like Rachel or Andrew are saying because it's really not that hard. But what' you guys think about this? Sound off in the comments section below. Subscribe to my channel if you enjoyed this and uh I'll see you guys later. Hey ladies and gentlemen, did you enjoy that video? I hope you did. If you did, make sure you like and subscribe or else you're gay. I'm sorry.

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