Why the Hate? #anginedepoitrine #microtonality #trendingmusic

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[00:00:00]Hi there, and welcome to this video where I'm going to talk about why all the hate for On Gein Depertryne. Now, many of you have seen and watched their videos, and you've probably seen a lot of people reacting to their videos as well, myself included. And I would say the overwhelming majority are positive, which is great, fantastic. But there is certainly a negative contingent that I have noticed in comments. And whilst it's not a lot, I do think it's worth addressing some of them, and that's what I'd like to do in this video today is to look at some of the common criticisms and then I guess address them and open it up for a bit of a debate and a conversation. So, let me know in the comments what you think about some of these criticisms. So, I think the first one I want to address was really kind of like an isolated one, but one that I think needs to be addressed, and that is I had someone on my videos saying that they were just amateur musicians, and what they were doing was very amateur. And I found that quite a difficult thing to accept really, because you know, clearly they're not amateurs. They do know what they're doing, they do know how to play their instruments.

[00:01:05]And it's it's not just that, but it's also the ability to do all of the looping and all of the other technical things that happen whilst also wearing the costumes.

[00:01:16]So, I think comments like that, unless they can be justified in some way, are for me personally null and void.

[00:01:23]If if you're going to say that you know, they're amateurs, then you need to be able to kind of back it up and and come forward and say this is the reason why.

[00:01:31]I don't know many amateur musicians who could play what they are playing.

[00:01:35]Correct me if I'm wrong, but you know, I think it takes quite a lot of skill and practice to be able to do the things that they're doing.

[00:01:43]The other criticism that I see, and this is valid, but I've not seen anyone say anything contrary really, is that microtonal music is not new, what they're doing isn't new, it's all been done before.

[00:01:56]So, why the big fuss?

[00:01:58]And I would agree that microtonal music has been around for a long time, as has bands that wear costumes and anonymity.

[00:02:06]You know, that's not a new concept either. So, I would agree that nothing they are doing is new.

[00:02:12]But that shouldn't necessarily automatically deem it as unworthy.

[00:02:18]We cannot just constantly create new things. What we can do is we can assimilate everything that we have experienced in music, and we can present it in our own way and in our own language. And that really is what music's about, it's about taking the kind of the core ingredients and mixing them all up and using them creatively and imaginatively.

[00:02:42]Of course, there's going to be some people who really revolutionized and did things for the first time, but not everybody can do things for the first time. And I think what they are doing with with their chosen apparatus, if you like, that is the drums, the guitars, the bass, and the loops, I think is is very very impressive, and I think they are creating music that uses microtonal elements and presenting it in a way that is fun and enjoyable to listen to. As I've said before, I learnt all about a lot of very complex compositional techniques when I was at university, but I often found that the music was very cold and clinical and so abstract that it had no connection.

[00:03:25]It was very clever and very, you know, there was a lot of thought that went behind it, but it was cold. There was nothing there. It was it was very abstract. And I think, you know, with this group, they are doing things that are quite unusual, not revolutionary, but they're doing it in a way that is fun, accessible, and enjoyable to all. You don't have to be a PhD, you know, music student to enjoy the music.

[00:03:52]But equally, you can be someone who has quite a lot of musical knowledge and experience and equally enjoy the music, you know, on a on a different level. And I think that's quite hard to do in the world of music.

[00:04:04]Another person I really like is Louis Cole. Now, he's similar in that he writes music that actually is deceptively complex, but is completely accessible. You know, it's it's something that anybody could listen to and enjoy. But it has so many sub-levels of complexity that can then be enjoyed in a slightly different way for musicians. So, I do find it a bit of a problem when I hear people keep saying, "Oh, this is nothing new."

[00:04:35]Because I don't think anyone has come out and said what they're doing is new.

[00:04:39]I think what they're doing is is something that's been done before.

[00:04:44]They've just taken it in their own direction, and they've created a kind of a cult-like lore, if you like.

[00:04:53]It reminds me a bit of Cardiacs.

[00:04:55]Cardiacs are very similar, complex music, still accessible, I think, but complex and with a very deep fan base that is built around a kind of collective lore, which can be alienating sometimes to people, cuz some people kind of just can't quite get into the whole lore, they can't let themselves go. And that's that's absolutely fine. But clearly, you know, On Gein Depertryne have this kind of lore now that's starting to form.

[00:05:22]And I I think things like that don't just happen. You know, I think it's something that's sort of that little spark, isn't it, that kind of happens and people kind of respond to it, and it sort of takes shape from there.

[00:05:35]But of course, you know, they would never have expected that to happen. I think that's very clear. You know, it's just one of those things that did happen, and they're now, you know, enjoying the fruits of their labor. We have to remember that they've been on the scene for a while. They've been working hard, they've been crafting their skills. They haven't just popped up as a sort of a viral thing out of nowhere. You know, they have been working hard and doing a lots of experimental stuff. So, I think it's a bit unfair sometimes just to say, "Well, because it's not new and revolutionary, therefore it's it's we shouldn't be enjoying it."

[00:06:09]And and I think the the other thing that that has come up quite a lot is I think people nowadays, and and rightly so, we we live in a very skeptical, cynical world now.

[00:06:20]We don't trust anything, we don't trust anyone, we don't want to believe in anything that is fun and childlike anymore. We've been so kind of suppressed.

[00:06:34]All of our mood and our emotions has been suppressed over the last 5, 6 years or so, where we have just all been living on what I think is is a kind of an autopilot, a flight or fight response.

[00:06:48]Our stress levels are really high.

[00:06:51]We're we're on edge all the time.

[00:06:53]Technology is moving on really quickly, and we we don't know what's real anymore, we we don't know what to believe. The people who we try to follow for guidance in society, even if we don't like to or want to, but we we try to anyway, feels like we're we're being robbed, you know, left, right, and center. And so, what that creates is a society of very unhappy, cynical people.

[00:07:22]And I would say I am one of those people. You know, I I am very skeptical about things, and I don't like to jump on bandwagons, surprisingly. I I'm very wary of trends and jumping in on trends.

[00:07:35]But I will say that something about the group has resonated with me. And I can't fully explain why.

[00:07:46]I just find their music to be really clever. And it's clever because you have to really listen carefully to it to pick out what's going on. Yes, to the untrained ear, it might just sound like a lot of repetitive, out of tune noise. But when you start to really focus in on what's going on and really listen to it, it's it's clever, and it reminds me of the minimalist composers.

[00:08:12]Something like Steve Reich, he did a piece for drums and guitar. I think it's called 2 * 5. Have a listen to that. I mean, that's quite similar, you know, it it kind of borrows from the minimalist school, I think, quite quite heavily.

[00:08:25]Another band that I think I've not heard anyone reference to in terms of their influences is Magma. Now, Magma are a band that created a sense of lore. They have their own unique language. It's very rhythm heavy, drum heavy, because obviously the the main composer is a drummer. And it's built around repetitive quite angular riffs.

[00:08:51]And and so, there's there's quite a lot of similarity there, and there's something about that type of music that I enjoy. And of course, not everyone is going to enjoy that type of music. But I think that's why it's resonated with me.

[00:09:02]And if it'd just been the costumes and not much talent, then I probably would have just brushed it off as a fad. But I I think they've managed to kind of capture the zaniness and the sophistication. And that's not easy to do. It's quite hard, I think, to get both of those things in one product, if you like. You know, something usually gets lost along the way. You might have a brilliant zany character, and the music might be a bit like that. But to get the two things combined is is tough these days. And so, those are the kind of the main criticisms that I had heard, and I think a lot of people seem very anti- supporting of them. They they kind of want to tell people that they're silly or stupid for listening and enjoying this music. And I think that's a real shame, because I think we we we live in, you know, dark enough times at the moment and stressful enough times that I just feel like sometimes you just have to let it go, let it out, enjoy it, you know, enjoy it for what it is. And yes, who knows what they're going to do in the future. They're they're a bit of a one-trick pony at the moment, but that doesn't mean that they can't evolve and do other things and add in other things. I talked about how, you know, they could start introducing maybe some obscure electronic instruments. You know, to kind of expand their their sonic palette.

[00:10:28]But I I think there's a lot of room for them to expand. I really do. And I don't feel like it's fair just to write them off as just being, well, they've done this one thing and that's all they're good for. So, it'd be good to get your thoughts. Let me know in the comments what you think about in particularly the criticisms. Do you feel they're justified?

[00:10:46]Or do you feel like actually we need to get behind them a bit more and say, "Actually, you know, we're rooting for you. We're rooting for something that's fresh and accessible and something that we can all enjoy if we want to."

[00:11:00]Anyway, it'd be good to get your comments and I hope to see you all soon in my next video. Please do subscribe if you would like to and I'll see you all soon. Take care.