DOES THE CHRISTIAN GOD EXIST? @kylodebates VS SEER.SOK-FIGHT NIGHT FRIDAYS THE MINI DEBATES SERIES™

Added: 2026-05-09

[00:00:00][music] [music] [music] >> Deploy sound argument. All right guys, all right guys, all right guys. So we're we're about to get started. So there's 17 people in here. We're basically doing many debates.

[00:00:28]Kylo versus Seer is going to be the first kind of like prototype or test debate that we're going to do. So basically the topic is going to be does the Christian God exist? Kylo Seer is going to be taking the affirmative.

[00:00:42]He does exist and then Kylo is going to be taking the negation.

[00:00:46]So basically Seer, you want to start off with your with your 3 minutes? Of course I would love to. Okay, give me one sec. I'm going to set your timer and then and yeah, it starts when you say your first word.

[00:00:59]Uh first word.

[00:01:01]Okay.

[00:01:02]Okay. So Kylo. Kylo gang over here doesn't understand what the determinate concept is, but it's okay. I'm going to teach him today.

[00:01:10]So teacher Seer is going to teach all 15 people. So Kylo. Kylo gang when we refer to determinate concept in reference to the distinction between two propositions being cat or rock there has to be an underlying principle which makes these distinctions non-arbitrary. And my argument's going to render as in if there's going to be an arbitrariness between words and there's no foundation into which makes a word a word then there's not going to be any clear um What is it? Yeah, there's not going to be a clear sentence in which you can give me that will convince me of atheism or convince me that that theism is false due to the lacking clarity of definitions.

[00:01:50]Uh I surrender my my opening.

[00:01:53]Okay, with that I'm going to end your countdown time. And then Kylo, you're going to get 3 minutes for your opener.

[00:02:00]It starts when you say your first word.

[00:02:02]Okay. So I just want to flag that he literally started his opening by saying my first word or whatever he said is rather goofy. Nevertheless, um I'm not going to even review or go over his opening statement because I had no bearing to theism or God existing. So let's just be clear. Today's debate is going to be on the proposition God exists where Seer will be taking the affirmative view. Um and like all of my burden is to one critique the argument or show that the line of reasoning is one which does not suffice for the conclusion doctrine. What Seer would have to do in this debate is give a sound argument in favor of proposition or some probabilistic case or some other means which justifies the claim God exists. We'll see how he does that. Um I'm expecting him not to do that. I'm expecting a lot of yapping and meta.

[00:02:49]But I mean big shout out to Coco.

[00:02:51]Appreciate the audience. You want to get right into it, my son.

[00:02:54]Okay, and with that really quick, there's 27 people in here. I hope you guys are going to enjoy this new segment that I'm doing Fight Night Fridays on Fridays where I host short debates. If you can, tap your screens like the live and share it with whoever might be interested.

[00:03:08]So now we're moving on to the 8-minute open discussion. This is going to be a period where both opponents have to establish their positions and tear apart each other's positions and it's basically like an open cross-examination or open discussion basically. So that will start Um let me set the timer real quick.

[00:03:29]It will start Um are both of you guys ready?

[00:03:35]Yeah. Uh-huh. Okay. Okay, what's premise one?

[00:03:39]Go for it. Uh yeah.

[00:03:40]>> [sighs] >> Our truth ops determinate concept within our reality that needs an underlying principle to to conclude a distinction.

[00:03:48]Give the whole syllogism. Give the whole argument. Wait, do you agree with P1?

[00:03:52]No, that's irrelevant. I want to check for validity first. Give the whole argument.

[00:03:54]>> yeah. I'll I'll I'll I'll give the whole argument. But before I give the whole argument, can you steel man P1? Yeah, I can. It's logically possible, but am I dialectically obligated to? Yeah, so it's logically possible >> dialectically obligated to? Well, that's going to be interruption number one. So I was saying >> It is interruption because I will interrupt when you're not being productive. Is it the case that I'm dialectically obligated to steel man your premise one?

[00:04:13]Uh no. Okay then, so what's P2?

[00:04:16]Yeah, P2 Give me a second.

[00:04:20]P2 is going to be if determinate concept exists then there are real distinctions within Hi Kim, how are you?

[00:04:25]Good. Thank you. Brown, we're we're in the middle of a debate, Brown.

[00:04:31]Yeah, P2 if there's Okay, wait. Hold on.

[00:04:32]She just threw me off. What's P2 again?

[00:04:34]Yeah, P2 if determinate concept exists then there are some fundamental fundamental grounding in which makes a distinction non-arbitrary. Do you agree?

[00:04:41]If determinate concept exists then there are some fundamental ground which makes distinction non-arbitrary. Yeah. And and what's the definiens of determinate concept?

[00:04:51]What is the Can you give What is that?

[00:04:54]>> asking for the definition, buddy. Yeah, the definition of determinate concept is content in which distinctions exist and what is and what isn't.

[00:05:01]Content in which distinctions exist. So if there's if there's content which distinctions exist, there is some fundamental ground which makes it non-arbitrary? Yeah. Okay, what's P3?

[00:05:11]Yeah, P3.

[00:05:13]Yeah, undeniably determinate concept exists so there is a fundamental grounding in which makes distinctions non-arbitrary.

[00:05:19]Okay, continue. Yeah, P4 is just going to be this fundamental grounding is not a non-normative and fundamental.

[00:05:28]Therefore has to have a motivating reason for distinctions to exist.

[00:05:33]Wait, say that again. Yeah, P4 goes something like there is a non-normative >> [snorts] >> it is a non-normative it's a non-normative truth app concept in which distinctions exist and therefore this fundamental grounding in which distinctions exist are um [ __ ] I got here. Let me just go get the Give me a second. Oh my God, this guy's lost in the sauce.

[00:05:59]I apologize for this audience. I apologize for this too. Low-key I don't even have like [ __ ] my my phone up.

[00:06:05]Okay, yeah. My bad. So there's a there's a truth app concept in which determinate concept exists. In determinate concept there's a non-normative Oh wait, no. There's a non-normative proposition which makes this determinate concept fundamental. If this is if this is fundamental then therefore it's going to be conclusion to be absolutely true.

[00:06:23]I'm going to I'm going to say this through semantical definition semantical uh semantical argument >> semantical Yeah, semantical argument for God and therefore just call this Okay, well let's be clear because I hope we don't use no Indian cat notion here. We do take God Oh please please allow me to Notice how I was very calm and collected and I allowed you to finish speaking. Have some decorum and relax. So I just want to be clear that I'm low-key flagging this guy's body be idiosyncratic when referring to the term God, but just just for the prediction.

[00:06:59]Is it the case that we're using like classical theism here? True or false?

[00:07:04]False.

[00:07:05]False. Okay, how do you define God?

[00:07:08]Uh the absolute necessity.

[00:07:10]The absolute necessity. Wait, do you take it to be the case God has a mind?

[00:07:14]Yeah. Okay, is God the creator of the universe?

[00:07:18]Uh yeah, the absolute necessity and ultimate Okay, does God have all the omni properties?

[00:07:22]No. Which omni properties does he not have? The all-knowingness. God's not all-knowing. Mhm. Okay, God has no knowledge in your view. Uh no, that's just like wait, that's a straw man.

[00:07:34]Wait, it was a clarity question not a straw man. I'm not saying it is the case. So you're confused. That's your first point.

[00:07:39]>> so God No, you said so God doesn't have >> So it is Wait, you know that you can employ the question mark with a question but not be stated that it's a question.

[00:07:46]You can implicitly derive that.

[00:07:48]>> Yeah, so so you can ask a question. I'm going to answer. I believe >> what's the answer? Yes or no? Yeah.

[00:07:53]I believe God is mostly knowing but not all-knowing.

[00:07:55]>> Okay, perfect. So you believe God does have knowledge. Okay, now Yeah. And what do you take the universe to be?

[00:08:02]Uh what do you mean by that? What's not clear there? It's a very basic simple question. Right, these people get optically beat up so then they start asking what do you mean by that when you ask them a simple question like what is the universe? Uh finite object or a finite thing. Like I don't >> Okay, so wait Okay, the universe is a finite thing. Okay. Is it the case that Are you a finite thing? Yes or no? Yes.

[00:08:23]Are you the universe? No, there's a distinction. Dumb ass. Holy [ __ ] loser. Wait wait wait wait. You Wait wait. You You know the definiens are the necessary conditions for a given reference. Wait, I'm in the middle of a sentence though. This guy just said the universe is defined as a finite thing and then said it is the case that he's a finite thing. Nevertheless, if you meet the necessary conditions of a given reference then you're of that class. So you okay? Wait wait. So it's your distinction. Let's let Seer clarify real quick. Go Yeah, so there's an automatic distinction between two propositions when affirming the universe being a finite thing and a and a human being a finite thing, correct?

[00:08:54]Wait, I don't know why you're asking me clarity questions.

[00:08:56]>> Okay, so so obviously so obviously you don't want to answer questions. So I'm just going to I'm going to reference our audience. We understand when affirming a distinction between a finite thing in in reference to human and a finite thing in reference to to the universe. There's going to of course be some propositions or some some predicates in which the universe is going to be non non-concluded as a universe predicate I mean as a as a human predicate. So sure, when I'm making a distinction and by saying the universe is a finite thing and humans are a finite thing, there's not going to be a problem. It's just like me saying a rock is an empirical thing and the ocean is an empirical thing so therefore there has to be some conclusion to be both of them are are one of the same. That's just that's not even going to be an argument that renders.

[00:09:44]So can you give me like I don't know, a motivation to why when I say two things are finite they're going to be automatically the same thing? Okay, so you're a little confused. No, what's being said here is it is true of the definiens that the definiens encapsulates the necessary and sufficient conditions of a given referent. Now, I take it to be the case that if you satisfy the necessary and sufficient conditions of a given referent, you're licensed to be of that class. Now, it is a case that you define the universe impliciter as a finite thing. Now, if it is the case that you meet the necessary and sufficient conditions of what's needed to be the universe, then you fall under the domain of a universe, but that's obviously unintuitive. Nobody takes it to be the case you are a universe. So, you just blunder, right? That's going to be correct. Wait, let me just be clear. You do take it to be the case that the definiens encapsulates the necessary and sufficient conditions, correct though?

[00:10:31]Yeah, can you define all of that little like jargon?

[00:10:34]Wait, you understand what a necessary condition is? Yeah, absolutely.

[00:10:38]>> You understand what a sufficient condition is?

[00:10:40]>> Kylo, I want you to teach me. Uh no, this is not a teach This is a debate, so respect the host and do what you came up here to do, which was debate me, not for me to teach you. You can get amped up later. Nevertheless, I'm asking you, do you accept Do you know, first of all, what a sufficient condition is? No, I don't. Can you tell me?

[00:10:56]>> Okay, a sufficient condition is the type of condition where if met, you're licensed to be of a given class. I'll give you an example, and this is now implicitly turning into a amping session, but it's fine. So, [snorts] take something like a dog or take something like a pitbull. When referring to dogs, it is the case that a pitbull is going to be a dog in virtue of the sufficient condition being met because pitbulls are variations of dog. So, merely being a pitbull is licensed to have you in the class of dogs, okay?

[00:11:20]Now, do you agree that the definiens encapsulates necessary and sufficient conditions?

[00:11:26]Yeah, can you define that? I don't know what you just said there.

[00:11:27]>> We can conclude Yeah.

[00:11:29]>> Okay, with that, we are going to conclude and move on to the closing statements. So, Seer, you're you're going to get the first 3-minute closing statement. It starts when you say your first word. Of course.

[00:11:41]So, and uh before we even started the debate, he said, "I don't answer clarifying questions." So, this whole debate has just been him talking uh and me answering clarifying questions and him refusing to answer any clarifying questions at all. This whole entire debate, this guy is like, "Well, I don't I don't need like any motivation to answer your clarifying questions."

[00:12:01]So, he just came up on this panel, refused to answer clarifying questions, forced you to answer clarifying questions. Uh so, he can answer this in his closing if if if he wants, or we can just eat uh or we can just leave it as an open question for for the audience to conclude. But, if thoughts and statements have determinate content, then there are real distinctions when referent. If there are real distinction with reference, then on a non-brute Oh, I'm sorry. If real distinctions exist, they must be grounded in a significant principle that makes them determinate rather than arbitrary.

[00:12:36]P4 or P3. On a brute non-rational view, there are no such significant grounding, only uninterpreted structureless facts.

[00:12:44]P4. Without uh Yeah, without a significant grounding principle, distinctions Oh, that's right. I already said P4. P5. But, determinate content undeniably exists.

[00:12:53]It's just trivially true. P6. Therefore, a significant grounding principle exists on a non and a non-brute non-rational views are false.

[00:13:02]P7. The grounding of determinate content must be rational non-norm governed since content involves truth reference and correctness, which cannot arise from purely non-normative facts. And the conclusion, therefore, reality is best explained by a rational uh uh and unifying grounding principle.

[00:13:20]I'm I'm going to just end my closing statement for him to debunk my my actual syllogism.

[00:13:25]Okay, with that, that's going to be the conclusion of Seer's closing statement.

[00:13:29]Now, OG Kylo, you're basically going to get 3 minutes. It starts when you say your first >> Wait, do I need a Do you want me to do a closing cuz I honestly don't need one, but if you do, I will do it. Uh it's up to you whether you want to do a closing or not. Oh, it's good. I don't need one, boss. Okay, and with that, we're going to move on to audience votes. You guys in the audience, there's 28 people in here. You get to pick who is the winner.

[00:13:51]So, we're going to do a quick poll.

[00:13:53]Um atheists are going to be the red emoji, while Christians are going to be the blue emoji. So, I'm going to start the poll right now.

[00:14:02]Um tap the tap the smiling emoji if you think the atheist won. Tap the crying emoji if you think the Christian won.

[00:14:10]So, vote smiling for atheist and vote crying for Christian.

[00:14:15]Um OG Kylo voted for himself, and then, you know, Seer voted for himself, so I guess it's balanced out. But, thank you for the heart, mate. Um thank you for the gifts. It does help me to fund this project.

[00:14:24]>> Wait, Kylo, do you want to run it back because I actually have my phone now.

[00:14:28]Like, even if I win or lose, we can just run it back. I was debating you without without exterior laptop and running a syllogism I haven't even memorized or finished.

[00:14:37]I mean, like, you guys if you have no Christians who want to challenge Matthew or Forrest, then you guys could probably you guys could run it back. I want to I want to re-render my argument. That's actually going to be true cuz I was debating this guy off of memory. Do you acknowledge that you lost that first?

[00:14:52]Um I don't acknowledge anything. I'm agnostic. So, am I a loser? Then I'm good. Yeah, yeah, Kylo, I don't want to answer any clarifying questions. I'm sorry.

[00:15:00]Okay, I'm good. Yeah, of course. I know you are. It's a tie though, guys. GG's.

[00:15:04]Me and Kylo are at the same level. I'm going to put I'm going to put dot SOS in my name. We're going to start Students of Seer instead of Kylo Gang now. Okay, so it's actually a tie. Thank you guys for voting. You guys decided that both of them tied, um and that's going to be the conclusion of the debate. Uh comment below uh what you guys think. Should we do more of these uh short debates? Um we are definitely going to do more before uh the debate event that happens today at 7:00. We're going to have like, essentially, 6 hours of >> Wait, uh Matthew, I know we have a formal debate coming up, but you just want to say like we just want to call this the formal debate, and we debate right now?

[00:15:42]I would, but I'm in a place with some pretty shitty signal and probably pretty shitty audio. It's raining like crap here right now.

[00:15:49]Never mind. I appreciate you though.

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