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Added:I want to start off. Let I promised you all this last time, but I want to do this. I want to work with you guys on Noel. This is what we we talked about last time, but we didn't get a chance to jump into it. But I want to do this because ultimately I want to I want to talk about Noel. And I want to talk about Noel in two different ways, right?
I want to talk Noel in the normal route and I want to talk about Noel in the weird route. So far, that's the two different aspects that that I want to go ahead and talk about and analyze. Yes.
Oh, thank you so much, Leopard. Yeah. My whole thing is analyzing shows and anime video game with the intention of psycho education, right? To try and push this out um to help individuals maybe that are lonely, you know, find their way in life and maybe take the steps that they need to heal.
Let's talk about Noel. How old is Noel?
We're gonna go back again with uh high school age. Noel has both parents.
Sister is missing.
Yeah, she's she's high school age.
Teenage teenager for now. Damn, Gumble Master. Why you got to make it sound like that? That's how Oh. Oh, man. Perfect. We have our baseline. Yes.
So, where is she at in the pyramid of needs?
In Maso's hierarchy of needs, where is she at?
I think she has like aspects of self.
You know, I'll be honest. I think she's struggling in in in one major aspect that is highlighted in the weird route and it's a mix between red and purple and lural.
It's self-esteem.
Yep. Yep. It's the ability to stand up for themselves. It's the ability to to get to do certain things, which is why we're going to go ahead and talk about this. And actually, I want to start off by talking about healthy relationships.
That's going to be a big element that we talk about as we go into Noel. Okay? And expectations as well. You know, what is she lacking from Red? Okay. Is she secure in self?
Is she absolutely secure in self?
Is she secure in in in in the family?
Not necess like, you know, is there is all of her family there with her, right?
Or has she had trauma inside of the inside of the red area? Probably not.
There's probably issues and we already see the power dynamic issues that are happening inside of that. By the way, security and and family particularly means, do you feel like you can genuinely be yourself when you're with your family? that your family listens to you, that your family cares about you, that your family shows you love and support where needed, or do you feel like it's yet you're stepping on glass? If you're stepping on glass, it's not necessarily security, you know?
Uh she can be uh herself with with Rudy.
Yeah. But with both parents, it's pretty thin ice, right? It's pretty thin ice.
At least with Carol. Carol uh and that's a key area right is like if again you don't have to meet every single area in the Maso's hierarchy of needs to be a functioning individual in society but wherever you lack certain areas that's going to be little pain points that you're going through you know that's going to be uh pain points that you're like trying to work towards or work through so that's why I highlight this because we're looking at areas where family might not necessarily be uh yeah and and in in that process it's causing an insecurity for uh Noel, you know, so I would put it uh red red and purple, you know, with an element of, you know, them trying to find themselves and their relationships. Green, you know, whatever that may be. Okay, y'all ready?
I think we're in agreement there.
So, what is the archetype that she often portrays?
Jung archetypes.
Victim and innocent is one. Yep.
Innocent victim. What else?
Thanks so much for the follow. Creator destroyer. Yes. What else?
Every man follower. Yes. What else?
Caregiver slave. Yes. What else? Or is that it? So, let's talk about this.
Right. A lot of the instances that you guys are pointing out instantly is safety.
And you guys were wondering why are they in the red? Literally, the first one innocent victim is tied to safety. How safe they feel.
Ain't that something?
Ain't that something? That's crazy.
Creator destroyer. Another one.
Innovation. Are they evolving? If they are, they might start to create stuff.
If not, it might bring destructions in self, destructions in personal relationships. Every man follower with belonging.
Does she feel like she belongs?
Caregiver slave with service. Does she feel like she's of service? Right.
>> Service.
Hero villain. Right. Hero villain. Where is it? Or mastery over self. Sage outlaw is another one that I have out here. So sage elitist and then outlaw criminal.
Sage Jelus is, you know, when it comes to knowledge, can she help others out in a good way that she comes off as unknowing or not? And even more so without law criminal, is liberation in check?
Is she truly free? Does she truly feel like she can be free? Now, this is where the constructs of of things start coming together, and this is where we're going to get into Noel and Chris.
versus Suzy and Noel. The differences between the normal and the weird route because it is important to explore the avenue in which things are going and have gone so far to influence Noel in both a positive and a traumatic way. She can't even open uh her own gate to her house. She definitely isn't free. Right.
Right.
Yo, what's up, Blue Fruit? How you doing? Things are about to get weird.
So, we're all in agreement with all of this, correct? At least so far.
What is her uh attachment style, chat?
What can we say is her attachment style?
A chatau chat.
It's not secure.
Does she struggle to communicate her needs out? Does she tend to act out?
Does she tend to be jealous uh when her partner doesn't do stuff? Is does she have a like a very uh like you know you think it's fearful where she's very dependent in relationships, fears rejection, low self-esteem, high anxiety. Is it a mix of both? Anxious and fearful.
What is it?
I I have no idea of things, but I fearful avoidant. You think it's fearful avoidant? People are saying anxious.
Some people are saying ambiguous, right?
It's it's a mix between both. And I would agree with that. So attachment style is ambiguous with anxiety. Anxious plus fearful.
Anxious fearful is is one one big way to look at it. Good. Good. Good. Good.
Good. Good. Good. Good. Good. Do we see any cognitive distortions?
Do we see any cognitive distortions at play? And it's important that we talk about all of this chat because ultimately once you have this frame of reference, you guys are understanding how I'm connecting things. How I'm connecting these characters to certain events and possibilities of them acting or or doing stuff or breaking stuff down for them. This is what you always have to be thinking about. Polarized thinking. That's one. Uhhuh. What else?
Mental filtering is another one.
Absolutely. Absolutely.
What else? Jumping to conclusions. Yep.
Anything else?
There you guys go. You guys You guys are getting it. You guys are understanding that there's a lot more to Noel. Where has she failed developmentally speaking for Noel? Where do you think where did she experience her first trauma?
How old was Noel when when death went missing?
Probably around school age 6 to 11.
Around 10, probably.
So, let's read it. Right. And this time, we're going to put Noel in here. Noel needs to develop a sense of trust with caregivers. provide reliability, care, and affection. A lack of this will lead to mistrust. I think Noel believes that their world was safe.
Um, but I'm not sure how much the weird route might affect things depending on how weird we get this time. Uh Noel needs to develop a personal sense of control over over her skills and a sense of independence. Success leads to feeling of autonomy. Failure results in feelings and shame. Can she do things by herself or does she always need to rely on others? Oh, that's an early childhood one. Maybe, you know, depends. That depends. Okay, next one. Noel needs to begin asserting control and power over their environment. Success in the state leads to a new sense of purpose. Noel, who tries to exert too much power, experienced disapproval, resulting in a sense of guilt with initiative, right? Taking the initiative to do things.
Noel needs to cope with new social and academic demands. Success leads to a sense of competence and failure results in feelings of inferiority. Or she doesn't feel like she's enough. You know what that sounds that sounds that sounds I am never good enough. I am never enough. You know, how can I go ahead and and and meet up to the standards and expectations of what was left? I will never be like my sister, you know. Um you you name it. You name it.
Noel needs to develop a sense of personal identity. Success leads to the ability to stay stay true while failure results in role confusion. Noel needs to form love uh needs to form intimate loving relationships with other people.
Success leads to strong relationship.
Failure results in loneliness and isolations.
Here's the thing, Wildwood, and we'll talk about this, right? We should always take the normal route over the weird route because the weird route, there's a thing called how how do I how do I frame this? Uh so it'll make sense for you guys. There are individuals that at times trauma can cause you to mask your milestones that you haven't met because you're so focused in on one thing improving that you'll just hyperfocus on that and like everything else doesn't seem as as as big as that traumatic uh moment. You know, it's a weak sense of self so it seems accurate. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep.
So that that's why at times you might see individuals who are hurt the most smile the brightest uh just because sometimes like while they're handling this many stuff you may only see this much you know. Mhm. Looks like metaton.
So what are we looking at chat?
What are we looking at?
I would say I would say definitely school age.
school age, adolescence, young adult is is sort of where we're focused at at the moment. You know, it's developmental theory, EDT, um, school age, adolescence and young adult.
Cool.
Mhave, thanks so much for the sub. I appreciate it. So, I highlight all of these because it's important to know that like Noel is struggling. Even though even though they might be really really like, you know, put on a mask and be happy, they're still struggling with stuff at home and internally, they're going through quite a bit of stuff, you know, and when we're looking at this, we have to understand their defense mechanisms. So, what are their defense mechanisms for Noel?
Okay. For me, one of the big ones that we can we can definitely see, right? We haven't reflected on that until now.
Yeah. We do a lot of these these elements, these things without fully understanding, right?
What's one that like reaction, formation, feeling one way, acting another. Yeah. Or react formate. Yeah.
What else?
Identification.
What else?
In the weird route, it's displacement.
In the weird route, you get a lot of displacement and compensation in in some in some areas. Yep. Compensate. Yep. Cool.
So, let's zoom on out. We were just talking about Noel. Noel seems to be struggling at a foundational need and with aspects of self-esteem. When we take a look into their aspects, it seems to be safety is a major concern. And with even like their archetypes, the mask that they wear inside versus outside, it seems as though they're struggling with safety, innovation, belonging, uh you know, being having mastery and control over self and feeling liberated, being able to go ahead and feel free. When we're looking at their attachment style, it looks as though they're anxious and fearful, right? Where at the same time, they might get jealous and, you know, overcommunicate at times. They're fearful of being rejected of no longer uh being loved for who they are. And when we take a look at it, we understand that their cognitive distortions tend to come from polarized thinking and mental filtering and jumping to conclusions. as Noel has developed a defense mechanism to identify themselves as someone else to compensate displace and reaction formation, you know, react one way, think another way, right? Uh in order to deal with all the different elements that are there, but it's seen commonly in kids because when you take a look at it from school age to adolescence and even young adulthood, they're currently struggling with a lot of their personal emotions. Now that we've taken into consideration all of this, I want like how does this make you feel about Noel? For me, it's highlighting that Noel.
I think the disappearance really affected Noel. I think if you're going to take a look at milestones missed, the the milestone absolutely absolutely affected her in some cap some capacity, right? the disappearance absolutely affected her. If you take another another thing into into account here is what is Noel going to do going forward.
And the normal route, we're we're establishing like a healthy relationship with Suzie, right? And it's talking about this aspect of how do individuals come together and start to meet one another, right? And have this aspect of communication with one another.
What about with Chris?
How's that looking with them?
Does that influence her thinking as to why she thought about running away?
Yeah. Imagine thinking about all of this, right? You are not like this is telling me that this is someone that feels as though they are not enough that like they should just listen to what others tell them, right? This is someone that like safety is at risk, right? They don't have any control. They don't feel free. And you want to talk about a motif. Isn't freedom a motif that keeps popping up for a lot of these these characters and a lot of themes? Uh, is no L able to form real uh connections with their peers or is there always an aspect of distance?
There's always though it's going to be hard to really fully connect with someone without the fear of them leaving.
Right? So talking about this, right, one of the big things I I I will say is with the Susie Noel route, you have more of what's considered like a healthy relationship, right? Like slowly but surely getting into healthy relationship and well here's the psychology motifs in all these in all these characters that we've addressed. You ready? Get close.
Closer closer. Actually, that's a little that's a little too close. Back up. One more.
Freedom. That's the motif in every psychological character that we're seeing. Freedom from Asgore, right?
Where Asgore wants the freedom to go ahead and, you know, pursue his likes, pursue Toriel, uh, be able to go ahead and be free, right? Chris, freedom.
Noel, freedom. Every character, psychologically speaking, that we're analyzing and we're throwing up here, freedom and liberation seems to be a big concern, which is interesting.
You know, all roads lead to freedom. In some capacity, they can freedom school.
But with Chris, I will say this. If you're Well, not even Chris, right? It's more like Hold on, let me let me get this up because it's not really Chris that is doing that. It's It's us.
This is toxic. Here's why I'm scared. Susie Noel, a little bit more of a healthier attachment, right?
I.e. allowing you should love in a way that allows the other individual to feel free. Remind yourself that at all times, right? You should feel loved and you should love in a way that you will always feel free.
Understood?
Good. A relationship is not 5050.
A relationship is two complete individuals coming together to make life beautiful.
And and I I say this because oftentimes I hear, oh well uh you know it's 5050 and it's like no you know sometimes you have to give a little bit more but it should be 100% of you meeting 100% of them and yeah sometimes don't get me wrong you might have a bad day and you might have to put in a little extra vice versa right but I highlight this because Susie Noel is showcasing the stability of what is and what would be considered a healthy relationship because ultimately it's allowing ing Susie to express her emotions in a way that feels loved and understood.
Now, what about Noel and us?
No, not Chris.
Here's the thing. Chris is trying to fight us, aren't they?
Chris is fighting the decisions we make in some of the weird route so far.
I'll I'll I'll let let you know this.
Chapter 4 highlights that it's abuse.
Not only that, overriding boundaries and sexual abuse, if you really want to go that far.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Right. Or may by the way, if you're talking about, oh, what what what is Yeah. It's a very very abusive relationship that can and very very very clearly, right?
abuse control. Yeah. Well, here let's talk about it, right? Number one, what do we do as the soul with Noel chat? What tactics do we use on them? We target insecurities.
We evoke fear, emotional abuse. Oh, wow. You know, gaslight You guys are starting to see some of that. Cool. Cool. What about What about here? What do we do?
What do we do as as the soul?
Minimizing, denying, blaming.
What else?
By the way, sexual harassment. I I said sexual abuse, but it's sexual harassment. Harassment in general, right, is any unwanted approach or any unwanted touch, feelings, intimidation tactics, whatnot, such as, I don't know, putting a ring on someone that they don't want in any regard. They have not consented to you doing certain stuff. Uh, physical violence. What else? Harmful language, playing mind games, humiliating someone, making someone feel guilty, telling lies, social standing, technology. What else? What threats? I am scared.
I am scared for Noel.
Exactly. Do not proceed without consent.
I am so scared for Noel. And I'm terrified because ultimately, what do you guys think think this is? What do you guys think this is? If we're checking off a lot of these boxes, if we're checking off a majority of these boxes, uh, and we're checking off, uh, all the other ones that we just talked about, that's a DV victim. That's a domestic violence victim. Now, here's the thing, right?
I'm scared for Chris, too.
At times like this, what happens to an individual that's really stressed out that we are identified to all of these issues? You know, caregiver, slave, follower, whatnot. What do you think happens to an individual where all of a sudden, you ready? You us, we're constantly dealing with these thoughts.
Are we the innocent? Are we victim or are him breaking all of these things?
Right? All of a sudden, you don't have to worry about this side.
You just have to focus on this side.
What do you think happens to a person when someone comes through and controls essentially ends up controlling what you are?
Now, there's two dichotoies to this, right? Number one, victims. It could be a psyche break.
Absolutely. But for a lot of for some individuals, how nice how would it feel for you to not have to constantly be questioning yourself uh in the way that like normal root Noel is going through as to where they go, how an how to feel, how to be anxious. How would it how would you feel to be told to just like not have to be afraid of thinking anymore or not have to be uh constantly uh afraid of decisions and to just do it just to keep going?
You're getting it. You're understanding where I'm coming from. This is why I'm afraid because this is classic aspects of an abusive relationship. And in fact, it is the classic makings of a relationship that can end up in a form of Stockholm syndrome in a relationship where you'll start seeing uh Noel or others start fawning. And it's it's it's kind of interesting because isn't she a dope, you know, where all of a sudden she starts thinking control is freedom.
Exactly. Exactly. All of a sudden, you start seeing a fawn response, right, of like like we can we could do and you'll often see this in in DV victims after a prolonged period of time or even when like certain stuff that made them anxious is no longer there because of this aspect or belief that oh but they weren't always this way.
Chris Chris wasn't always this way. But ever since Chris started acting this way, guess what? I'm less anxious.
And and even though that they're Yeah.
Even though they start dissociating or derealizing, depersonalizing, right?
Even though you see them struggle with a majority of fitting in, of doing normal stuff, all of a sudden it's no longer uh you know, it's no longer that person's fault, right? It's like, oh, you're the one that it's everyone versus them, right? Fawning because she's a fawn.
Does this make sense? Does this highlight the different roots in my one?
Like the Susie Susie Noel route is is a is the healthiest route out there, but Noel and the soul is actually kind of signs of an extremely abusive relationship.
And here's the thing, what happens in a lot of these relationships, chat, how her mother is a control freak. Yeah.
What happens in in in relationships like this? If let's say uh the soul, right, us were to try and go go away or like we're try we we're to try and like like leave them be or try go ahead and and and dip out. What do you think would happen to them?
Uh that's why I'm really worried. I'm really worried about I would get this is why there needs to be a lot of therapy because you have different reactions to this. Some victims, right, absolutely feel relief. Other victims, right, the the as abusers at times will try and put their relationship on the line as a form of control. Oh, okay. Well, then I'm leaving. No, no, I'll do anything you want. Right? Because they're afraid of their partner leaving. And so they'll use that threat consistently as a form of control.
At times, even encouraging hurtful actions to themselves or to others.
The threat of losing that codependency could ruin her. You're getting why I'm afraid. You're getting why I'm afraid of just the weird route in general. Because as the weird route is proceeding, it is just unfolding into the most unhealthy uh you know relationship that I have seen in a long time. And and I think and what makes me afraid is that there might be individuals that don't fully acknowledge that Noel in the soul is extremely unhealthy and that might actually be like excited, you know, to do a weird route or continue the weird route and like, you know, not see the gravity and the effect of like sometimes glorifying what a relationship like that can do, right? If Noel doesn't have the soul, then they don't have anything. If if the soul is giving them aspects of uh Well, what do you mean by that, Wildwood?
Because here's the thing in in in that relationship. Hold on. It my monitor kind of shut off. You got to give me a second here. All right, we're good.
Yeah, my monitor shuts off from time to time. My left monitor here. So, what do we see here, Chad?
Well, we end up seeing aspects of control, and that's sort of what I'm trying to trying to highlight it, you know, is ultimately uh without the soul, Noel was will like you know we'll start believing that it's not you know and that's that's a key instance of it and that's why I wanted to highlight highlight this and this is why I wanted to have this conversation and this discussion is Noel is a teenager that has gone through quite a bit she's gone through the grief of losing their sister right she is struggling with a lot of things altogether and ultimately this relationship isn't necessarily the greatest now editors you're going to have to kill me a little bit because I forgot to click record but that's a-ok okay cuz I I'll just take this off from from the Twitch mod and put it up for you.
All right, we're we're in this dark world.
Auto run is on. Good.
All right, let's go.
Chris up there. Isn't that your dad?
Oh, so nice to see you again. It looks like he's talking to someone. Wait, that guy is They're coming this way.
What? What are we? Wait, wait, wait, wait. Flower Mart.
We got anime.
Sorry to keep you waiting.
Hey yo, WE GOT A FULL ANIME JOJO THAT TYPE THING HERE. Wait a minute. Wait a minute.
What?
H How did you suddenly get over >> Sorry to keep you waiting.
>> Sorry to keep you waiting.
Howdy. Oh no.
>> Gone like a turn. What? Chris, you've grown so much, haven't you? Sorry to keep you waiting. Oh, no.
>> My king.
>> My king. Ascore, you must be so proud.
Must be so proud of you.
>> Who the hell are you though?
>> Sorry to keep you waiting.
>> Sorry to keep you waiting. Sorry, my lady.
>> It's me, Flowery.
No, no, no.
No. Flowery. Flowy.
No.
No.
No way. Ain't no way. Ain't no way. This has to be a rug pole. Ain't no way.
Ain't no way. It'll be fine.
>> Flower.
>> Star sign. The flower. Golden eyes.
Blood type. SS.
>> My king.
>> My king.
Asgore's college roommate. Wait, wasn't Asgore's college roommate?
Rudy, your dad, my best friend.
I don't see any resemblance. Just give thoughts. Rudy is Asgar's college roommate. So then is this is this a a representation as to like them adopting a personal >> your dad's my best friend >> and best friend Susie just and >> no no >> oh I'm sorry right >> sorry to keep a lady in waiting >> sorry to keep a lady in waiting I shouldn't keep a princess and waiting.
Oh, they're so OP. Oh, hey yo, what the hell did you do to my Sorry. Sorry to keep you waiting. Sorry to keep a lady and waiting. Sorry, my XP bar was a little low. I needed to tip my fedora and go in for a smooch in the hand. Sorry to keep you waiting.
Oh no, a flower is growing out of my hand.
>> Yes.
>> Yes. Those aren't for you. It has your face in it. Just wait a flowery.
>> Ah, there you are, old friend.
I lost you when you were walking down the uh city streets.
>> Sorry to keep you waiting. Sorry to keep you waiting, old pal.
Oh, it's no trouble at all. Who were you talking to by the by?
>> Mysterious wind.
>> Oh, nothing more than the transient winds. Okay, Gory.
>> Flowers blooms in your heart.
>> Now, let's let's make like a tree and have some fun.
Oh, Flowery, you always were such a scam.
Who Who the hell is that guy?
Why does he look like one of those cute?
Why do they call me a princess? Why is your dad Chris, your dad? He He can't be here.
Come on, let's go after him.
It's a conveniently or inconveniently shaped plant. Don't know how, but that jerk made these grow on us.
Chat, chat, what a glorious anime scene. What the heck, chat? What the What the heck?
We got full anime in Delta Rune.
We got full anime in Delta Rune.
We got full anime and Delta Rune chat.
Oh my goodness. Do you guys like Flowery?
It seems like they're trying really hard.
My XP bar is a little low. Let me set my fedora to you. Oh, is that tree? Let me rush on over and make a flower go out of grow out of their hand. You know, people pleasing. Yes, very much peopleleasing.
Trying to be a-ok. Okay. And perfect.
You know, it was made by Studio Car by the way. All right. Who do we cut? Our owner Suzies.
Flowery is my best friend. I hate like him both.
Makes me want to drop kick him.
Why would Cara do this? I feel something. Fair. All right. I guess we're cutting We're cutting Suz's. Let's do it. You cut around the face of Susie's plant to give it more prominent. That's my doggle lips. Hey yo.
Hey yo. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait.
Wait. Wait. Chris. Chris.
Don't point. Those to conveniently shape it ring.
Hey, don't cut it in half, dumbass. Even if it looks just like you, I'd feel kind of bad.
Stop being stupid and let's go. Oh.
Oh, why why you blushing though?
Why are you blushing? Why are you blushing?
Why are you blushing? Well, well, sorry to keep you waiting. What a conveniently shaped locker. Oh, wow. Wow. It would be a shame if we just didn't open any.
Oh, another one.
Oh, another one.
Sorry to keep you waiting.
And no, the FOMO. It's a wardrobe of unnecessary things. Golden suit of armor. It's too big to wear. Oh, it's 500 points. You don't need points.
But I do.
It's a wardrobe of unnecessary things contain half of half of a photograph. You don't need to look at this.
Hey, Chris. I just realized where the hell is Rousey.
Didn't the wardrobe contain unnecessary things? Ah, Chris to Suzie. Oh, whoa. Why were you in there? Something good inside? I think I I I can I can fit.
No, that that stupid flowery guys. AH.
The flower guy straight up flower. He literally just straight up shoved him shoved uh shoved him in there and was like, "Yep, nope. Nope."
He didn't want Ascore to see me, so he What is his problem anyhow?
Yeah. Talk about a pain in the ass. That guy was wait since when were you such a hater?
Actually, yeah. No, I just uh never mind. Yeah, Rousey, why are you a hater? Let's just go. Got it.
>> Dude, there's hats in there. You want one?
>> No thanks. Fine without one. Okay.
All right. We're going to take a little moment here. Uh ads are coming, so take a little break. Uh we'll be right back.
I love the fact that we actually have the hats. Like we have the wizard. Did you ask Chris if they want to wear one?
>> Nah, they have to.
Sorry to keep you waiting of unnecessary things.
Photograph. You don't need to look at it. Wait, why not? Why not though? Sorry to keep you waiting. It's going to be stuck. Oh my god. I don't want this I don't want this to turn into a uh like you know me just saying it every every so often. The hats. The hats are great.
Oh god.
>> And Chris Susie notice how they don't say Rousey.
Damn. What What's What's their beef?
It's a vocal stem.
You >> How's it growing Rousey? Hey yo, stepping up.
>> Fine. Thank you.
>> Hey there, little guy.
>> Oh, Rally. Happy to see you little guy.
Oh, he's so mad. He big mad. Hey, jerk.
Why'd you put your Rally Rousey in the wardrobe? Sorry about that, guys.
>> Huh? I just wanted to put a little hat on.
>> Yes, >> it's good for your health.
Oh, hey. What are you doing?
>> You're dead.
>> What? Asgore will have a heart attack if he sees any of you like that. Oh, Dark Rousey returns.
>> Sorry about that, little guy.
>> Besides, Chris, doesn't he look much better this way? Sorry about that, little guy.
>> You're dead. You're dead. Okay, I heard you're a flower.
Guess I'll just look like this for now.
Well, let's just try and get to the fountain, right? If we don't get it soon, then the knight might appear and take Asgore. Let's go.
Oh.
Um, Chris, just a reminder, but you can turn off voice clips by the in the config menu. But I like the voice clips.
Sorry to keep you waiting. Sorry to keep a lady in waiting. Sorry to keep you waiting.
I'll start doing them myself if he's I love Yeah. Salty. Conveniently shaped plant. Maybe the most convenient. All right, hold on.
The garden of hopes and dreams.
Ooh, okay.
Oh, this is so pretty. The fragrance of familiar days, an old power returns to you.
The fragrance of familiar days, an old power returns to you.
Oh, chapter one. But pink.
I do got to say though, if if this is the case and we have Flowery in here, are they the bad guy or not? Cuz I'm assuming everything in the shop was probably turned into into things, right? And considering that that Asgore has flowers, more than likely that's just a a representation of self, right?
That's sort of a big thing is like are they are they a bad deal? Why would they be bad?
I don't know. I don't know.
Oh god.
All right, let's do it.
Florin. Florence in.
All right, let's convince them.
tried to convince Florida. We don't want to fight you, Florida. If you come to our side, we can all be friends. Florida agreed. It's going to beat up everyone on his side. Wait, don't do that.
It seems confused and became tired. Hose water. I'm tired. Can't I just beat someone up? No, please. Oh god.
Oh god.
Flower's over, boys.
I need to get so much better at this.
Don't worry, we'll have you 799. Hey, thanks. I was trapped in that bush.
After Flowery defeated me, he leapt right into your dad's arms to protect him.
My hero.
What? I'm on break.
Oh, I just noticed it's the reflections.
The saxophone is ship's gifts. It really is.
Oh, wow. It's such an ideal shape. I can't help but block the way looking at it. No.
Oh, you open the treasure. Was a red ribbon.
Red ribbon was added to your armors. Oh, Chris, remember on our first adventure when we found that ribbon in a box? Kind of makes me want to wear one again.
He leapt right into your dad's arms.
Yeah, I know. You think we look silly, don't you, Susie? Nah. I mean, hey, you could uh put it on me, too. Oh, Suzy, you're really growing with us, huh? You guys always look like you're having fun.
Plus, Noel, I don't know. She might think it was cool. Oh, Suzie. Susie can now equip ribbons. Yes.
Goatated.
Goatated.
Oh, okay. Okay, there's two angles to approach this. Suzie with ribbons.
Impossible.
Fishing is for pals only.
Oh, >> you know, I love Hold on. We got to do this right. You know, I love fishing.
The activity of fishing.
>> I could do it with you, my king, for all day, old buddy.
>> It sure is nice, isn't it? Lovely weather, too. I bet.
>> Sweet peppers.
>> Sweet mini peppers. It's a jumbo.
>> Hey guys, I think I found a glue.
>> Hey guys, I think I found a glue. Well, if it isn't a whopping handmade pie.
Your favorite glue. Nice and moist.
Fresh from the pond. Why? Uh, thank you.
It's uh lovely.
What?
>> Glue.
>> Glue.
What's wrong, pal? Uh, let me guess.
Need some salt and pepper.
It's just wonderful the way it is. Oh god.
I want to see more of my king.
Specimen named Kooby. Believes he looks most like a spring dumpling out of any worm in the world. Eat leaves and bread.
Not much opportunity for development.
Muff. I look like a spring dumpling. A that guy's never going to develop.
A glue.
Wow.
Flowery our king.
Oh, there's going to be so many stems that come from this.
Yo, why are you out of bounds? How are you out of bounds?
The theater sold out. Oh, >> my king.
>> My king. Hey, Gorgore.
>> My human. Didn't you always want to see a cowboy show in real life, my human?
>> I suppose it was a dream of mine once.
>> Wow.
>> Wow. Well, >> this guy's your best friend.
>> This guy's my best friend. He's showing right now.
>> Wowers. Is he real?
>> Mostly.
>> Mostly.
If only I could have shown something like this to Chris. They would always do finger guns and pretend to shoot me.
>> It's so human.
>> Shooting out fingers at your dad. That's so human.
Wow.
The no more theaters for sale. Damn.
Congratulations. The way is blocked, but I know how to open it. Yes, I know how to open it. Tushes my big floofing tail.
If you could just find me a mushroom.
A mushroom. I bet. How do I get out of here, though?
It looks soft and delicious. Take a bite.
Let's fight it.
Oh god, you feel full vertically.
There's a fox under there.
Congratulations.
You gave me one mushroom. Now confidentially, I'll tell you how to open the way. You must give me two mushrooms.
No, I feel trapped.
That was delicious, but only one delicious. It would be wonderous if you could get two at once. What are those foxes? Pick them up and move them away.
Oh god.
No.
God.
Ah. Oh. Oh, that is so smart.
That is so smart.
I see. I see.
Damn. Damn.
That one had you stuck for hours.
Yeah, that's pretty good. That was pretty good. I ain't going to lie.
I don't want to Yo J, I am hop chef. I am doing for Freud jumping from my happiness. Look, I made a the leer table. Oh god. Sabo and no one's ever destroyed it. Yippee.
It's a loaf of undestroyed bread. You know, if this was our first adventure, Susie probably would have destroyed this friend by now. Yeah, now I wouldn't just do something like that. Chris would have to ask me first, right?
The comfortable amount of animations for it.
How do I get over there?
Oh god.
Okay. Well, we got to figure this out.
Yeah, we have a we we have a German baker there. Yeah. Yeah.
But for some reason, you can't see through it. Ooh, cola structure. It seems to be sealed with some sort of power. It's the power of friendship.
Yeah.
I My fer jumping from my happiness. Oh.
Oh, fer jumping.
All right, I guess I got to go all the way up top, huh?
So many cool flowers, though.
It's a locked with an inscription.
Flowers are symbols of love. Defeat the enemies in the in the manner befitting of a flower. Oo, love like levels of violence.
Show love. I want to see you flirt.
Susie gets ready to flirt. Watch this.
I'm way better at this now.
Except I I guess if if me and Noel are a thing, I should probably save my flirts, right?
OH. HEY, SUSIE GOT psyched out. You just did a flower impression instead. Oh.
Oh my goodness. Look at the cutie patootie. Chris.
Chris.
Oh my good. And And Susie's blushing.
And Susie's blushing.
Oh, Rousey. Nice impression. Reminds me of flowers.
Oh, wow. I took a hit there.
You won. Oh, that was adorable.
Damn. Thought that would open the door.
Rousey, any ideas?
>> Um, well, >> sorry to keep a LADY AND WAITING.
SORRY TO KEEP A LADY in waiting.
Just lands on Rousey. Thought I heard some princesses in distress.
Hey yo.
Hey, what did you do to Rousey?
>> I'm sorry once again I kept the lady in waiting.
>> I'm sorry once again I kept the lady in waiting. A battle, huh? I have the sitch solved in a gif. Oh no.
>> Leave it to me. Just leave it to me.
Chris, we aren't seriously going to let this guy. Flowery joined the party and he took Oh.
Uh, hey, is this Rousey okay?
>> Yes.
>> Yes.
Oh, leave it to me. Oh, yes. Rousey, you uh you okay?
He is now. Oh, >> some enemies showed up. Yes.
>> Leave it to me.
>> Leave it to me.
>> Here I come. San Francisco.
>> San Francisco.
>> Hey yo, >> it's my Jona.
>> It's my Jona. What? How'd you like my Jirona? What? Here I come. San Francisco. What? Francisco? What? What?
Jirona. How' you like my Jirona?
What?
What is this? Like Michael Jackson? Like my Chirona? What?
What?
What? What is What is Flowery? I I Why Why is he causing vocal stims everywhere now?
>> All according All according to plan.
>> All according to plant. Wow.
I said to my Jerona, "Please respond, dude. That was actually kind of sick."
>> Stingish.
>> Yeah. I have maximum stats.
Do you do you do you you can't just give yourself 999 and everything. Oh, I should have checked the stats. No.
>> Hey, Rally.
>> Guess you'd be the expert. Rally.
What are you talking about? Natto, thanks so much for the sub. I appreciate it. What are you talking about?
>> Huh? Um, I >> mysterious wind. Hey, let's keep this conversation later. Flowery left the party. No, join back in.
>> Dad's my best friend.
>> I have my own parties to attend to with your dad.
>> Hey guys.
>> Hey guys. Ciao.
>> Stupid Flowery. Why does he have to be so Yeah, talk about a jerk. It was pretty cool how he beat those guys, though. Susie, look, I I'm not saying he's not weird, but you know, maybe he's a a useful jerk. Your dad's my best friend.
>> Let's just go. Oh, a piece of candy.
>> Hey guys, >> by the way, if you ever need to buy anything, >> that box contains infinite money.
>> My dreams, >> just take what you please and leave live your dreams. Infinite money.
like infinite like what type of money? Hold on. What type of money? Hold on. Hold on. What type of money are we talking about? Wait a minute.
Like dark dollars, points, rupees.
Yes. Said infinite.
It It's just going to ruin It's going to ruin the economy. Oh [ __ ] You took $1 from the box. Just one won't hurt, right?
Chat.
I'm going to be greedy here.
I'm going to be greedy here.
I'm going to go get my pizza real quick.
That's just finished. I'm going to go run and get my pizza real quick. When I come back, I'm turning my keyboard sideways and we're spamming it.
enough so that we don't have to like ever be. This is peak gameplay, okay?
Unless this turns out to be a gag and I just wasted my time doing this for no reason.
4K, baby. Let's go.
Romance that. How did he uh increase that? Hey, there isn't a romance stat. Oh, what stats are there? Huh? Um, well, >> Susie, >> don't worry Suss, I'll explain later.
Susie. Okay, thanks. Flowery Flowery STAT THAT DOESN'T EXIST EITHER.
Breaking the game. The fact that Rousey is getting so triggered by Flowery.
You realize that the dollars you took weren't dark dollars, but actually flowery dollars. No.
No.
This watering can look somewhat important. Chris, perhaps if you hit it in your hands, you could Okay.
Oh, nice.
You open the treasure chest. Inside was green tree was added to your storage.
Hey yo, nice. What is this?
Inside was one pink coin. Oh, that's awesome. I don't know what a pink coin is, but cool. Thank you.
I got a pink coin. I better not ruin the economy, though.
I see.
Clip. Clip. She's totally absorbed in her work.
Looks amazing.
>> You really think so, Chris? Um, well, I suppose I can't help being a cute subject. Hey yo, big head.
A a looks bad. Let's see.
Oh, that's way better.
Oh, maybe uh better before. Actually, you didn't think these chubs made themselves, did you? These ladies here are artist. Anything they clip is their art. Uh-oh.
Don't get in their way or you might become art, too.
Nice.
Yo, these scissors cut anything in the way. They can't find anything to cut.
They'll if they still can't find anything, they'll go back to the start.
Got it. Good. Cuz I got places to be.
What?
What? What happened?
Damn. I didn't know you could pull it up like that.
Hey yo. Oh no. Oh no.
Salon cut.
Press the directions to cut on the dotted line. Okay.
[ __ ] This one sucks.
Half off. Off. Half.
Whoa.
Perfect.
Snowflake. Snowflake. What? Noel.
What is this, bro?
There you go. There you go.
I know. What a way to like Nice.
Hey yo, what is this?
Stop. Stop.
Stop.
>> Hey guys.
>> Hey guys.
Hey. You guys think Noel would like flowers like these?
>> You should try these violets. Huh? The hell do you know?
>> This girl, she likes you already, doesn't she? my favorite, too.
>> Then something pretty like yourself seems perfect. Shut it, dumbass. Oh, no.
You You really think she'd like him?
>> Leave it to me.
>> My guarantee.
>> Go get him, princess. Oh. A.
You open the treasure chest. Inside was a Thatchet was added to your weapons.
Ooh.
Leave it to me.
You got 50 flowery dollars. We don't need those. I do. That's San Francisco.
Hell yeah.
All according to plan.
All right. Hello.
Oh, okay. I guess not. I guess that was nothing.
Hey yo, were Naruto running here? What the?
That's so cool. Naruto, RUN.
ALL ACCORDING to Kaku. But if we go this way, it's totally normal and we can't do it.
Oh my goodness. Okay.
I see now.
Do I I don't know.
seems to be sealed with some sort of power.
The music is beautiful though.
Hey yo, why are you all all the way over here?
A great style.
>> Oh, yeah. The diner. What a style.
>> Flowers blooms in your heart.
>> It feels like just like old trees. I mean, old times.
>> Yes. It's certainly been a while since I've been to one of these. A with someone else. A >> the boys Don't worry any anymore. You're with the boys. Greg, boy, I welcome on in.
>> I give to you.
>> Here, have an orange juice.
A flower is just taking care of Asgore.
>> Suckle it up.
>> Freshly hatched. Suckle it up.
Wow, it's so fresh. It's still warm.
Thank you.
Call out to Did you uh hear something just now? Sorry to keep you waiting.
>> Oh, sorry to keep you waiting. That was a mixtape I made for you.
>> The one that sounds like your child calling for help. Oh.
>> Oh, >> take a listen of Old.
>> Oh, wow. I love this song.
>> Oh no.
>> Smile again. All the greatest country hits. Drown your tears away.
Oh, >> that's my dream.
>> Just forget about it all. Live your dreams.
>> You're right. I will.
>> Sorry to keep you, lady.
>> Now, chef, a big root beer flow.
>> My favorite >> for those three.
>> Really? For us?
>> It's all yours >> on the house, princess.
Hey, this guy's not so bad. I mean, he's keeping her dad distracted, right? I I suppose it's telephone. So, we reach the fountain.
But doesn't things seem off to you? I mean, this root beer has actual roots grow growing in it.
Uh, seems fine to me. Oh god.
>> Same. Flowey. Let's just finish it. Get going.
Two eggs over easy. Two eggs over medium. Two eggs over hard. Two eggs over very hard. Two eggs over expert mode. Two eggs over lunatic. Hey yo.
A yeah. So Toby let you cook. Yipp.
Nothing like a night at the old saloon.
I'm going to eat so many carbo appropriate meals.
Learn more. Like what?
Metals.
>> Won't you get sick if you eat that? Huh?
Oh, no. I don't want to get sick. I can't believe I have to get sick. Uh, maybe Blue can take my medals for me.
Blue, reassure him. You don't have to order medals if you don't want to. Oh, ph. I was just thinking I'd have some orange juice. She puts a lot of effort into making it. Oh, the cook. No orange.
these puns.
>> Uh, it's called orange juice because it comes from someone named orange.
Question this. Uh, no. It comes from a fruit. Oh, no. I've been drinking fruits juice. I thought I was drinking humans juice like natural. Human beings don't uh generate juice.
But she looks like a human being. Cabo.
She even has a tail. She even has a tail. Wait, what do you mean? Humans don't have tails. Wait, wait, wait.
Question is, do you have a tail? Of course I Well, I'll be. It looks like I left it at home. Hey yo, what kind of tail is it? Well, I am a cowboy, so I'd assume it's a cow's tail.
Okay. Well, see you. Have a nice ride on Prairie, y'all.
And stay out of Justice's way. Oh, why thank you, sir.
I love this guy. Do you nice Oh, Netski unwraps itself from its big fluffy tail. Isn't this like a lot of the illusions that we're seeing is like to Japan in general, right? Like the foxtailed spirit is one of them. Yes.
But then doesn't Japan also have like a a segment of individuals that are like western boos that are really into like the cowboy flicks and movies of like uh yeah the kitsune uh like you know I know I've seen it on Twitter and stuff like that where it's like Japanese people in like cowboy outfits and uh stuff like that.
Yeah, they do. Yeah, they do. Yeah, that's what I'm like, huh?
Touch fake bullets. You tried to touch the fake bullets. I'm the original con.
Touch the fake bullets. Con.
Sheesh.
Neski. Netski switches its big fluffy tail, which it has apparently.
A fox would never enjoy tricking anyone.
Hell yeah. Spare.
Yeah, we recruited it.
That's pretty sick. Yo, one more. A tricky fox.
Oh, okay. I guess not.
No.
Oh, look. It's like the puzzle from our first adventure. The one where everyone has to step on the Yeah, but why? Yeah, the one you uh needed me to help solve, right?
Right. Could only solve if the three of us together. Yeah, but it looks like you guys need a lot more. I'll get the left.
Rosie, you get the right.
We did it.
Notice how that like they're working more and more like a team, right? Like Rousey, Susy, Chris, like now they're jumping in together and taking care of of of of things that like beforehand they would argue about cuz they would argue about every little thing that like they would encounter together. And now it's more along the lines of like, "Okay, let's get this done. Let's knock it out. Like we can do this together."
Cuz they're so used to it.
Artameisia goes well with tea.
Artameisia.
They're more independent, too. Like not waiting for Chris. Yep.
Yep.
Another one already. Long as there's three, it's no big deal. We got this, right?
The hell are we supposed to press four switches? Four switches. But that's not supposed to. Yeah, that's not possible.
Unless we had to like call Flowery.
Yeah, a fourth person. No, we we can we'll do it with three. Rousey, you good? What? What the heck is is flowery to you? Guess I'll check for another person just in case.
Susie, wait.
Chris, we we have to follow her. But uh here.
All right. Let's mo Let's mosy. You just walked me through the spikes that Why couldn't we do this earlier? Wait, why couldn't we do this earlier? Rousey could literally have walked us through all the Okay, don't look. Dude, those voice clips are so funny.
>> No, no, no, >> no, no, no. Yes.
Hey, I'm going to go get another drink.
Wait, WHY DID YOU TELL HER ABOUT VOICE CLIPS?
>> WHAT?
>> CHRIS, you can turn off voice clips in the config menu. Chris, be careful not to turn off Rousey in in in the thingy.
Wait, you can turn off Rousey? Why would I?
Oh no. Oh no.
Oh no.
>> Sorry about that.
>> Oh, poor little guy.
>> Blooms in your heart.
>> Chris, be nice to your buddy. Okay, >> wait. Can I not turn Rousey back on?
Wait, wait. No, no, no, no. I want Rousey back on. No, no, no, no, no, no.
Why would YOU DO THAT? I THOUGHT IT WOULD it would allow me to go ahead and like Oh, no.
No, Rousey.
ROUSEY. NO. I THOUGHT IT WAS GOING to stop, chat. No.
Live with your choice. No. Stop. Stop.
No.
What have I done? What have I done?
Oh.
How could Cara make the Odds time rousey out, right? No route requ.
We did it. Actually, that wasn't that hard.
Yeah, that wasn't that hard. I thought it was going to be like I looked at it and I'm like, how can I figure this out?
And it's like, okay, down, up, side. It took you a while. Oh, yeah. That that was pretty good, though. I like puzzles.
Po. Yeah, if you played Pokemon, you're used to puzzles like that. Hey guys, what's up?
Oh, you got you got a ribbon in your hair. You got a fox in your hair.
>> Rousey.
>> You're a hero.
>> Chris, don't believe your friend like that.
>> My flavor.
>> Here, have some healing pollen.
>> Chris, I'm sorry. I I I shouldn't have told it to use the config menu, too. The what menu? The what?
How does it know, Rousey? How do you know all about stats and about config menus?
How do you know? And why is Flowery allowing you the opportunity to bring everything like this up unless you're hiding something?
How much information do you know? How much have you kept to yourself and not fully stated? You know, how does Flowery know? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, he's the one who teaches you how to Yeah, exactly.
But we didn't question it then because we're like, "Oh, it's part of the game, right?" And then then it'll it'll move on. But the fact that they know about it now brings up a question as to how much do you know about this this this program, this survey that we're doing?
How much do you know about this this design, this this uh you know, study design that that is happening?
Yeah. The fact that they're both manipulating the menu. Yeah, that's crazy. The menu. What's that?
They're meant for the player, not Chris.
Yep. Yep. Yep. I I getting on.
Oh, no. Susie, I I won't avoid the truth anymore.
Even if it sounds strange.
Listen.
Oh, okay.
There's something special about the dark world.
Next time we fight the enemy, if you close your eyes hard and look carefully past the edge of your periphery, you'll recognize it.
Another layer.
At least he's trusting. At least he's opening up one normally seen only in your subconscious something that looks like symbols.
That is Oh, that stuff. Yeah, I know about that.
You do?
How?
flower. He told me flowery comes through and is unveiling the truth. The truth that Rousey, it's taken five chapters for Rousey to come through and to try and and barely start start going through. But Flower is like, "Hey, did you know about this?" And it's just letting everything out to be fair.
How does Flowery know? Yeah. I I mean, at least Flower is being upfront about it, you know? Like, you know, they're very upfront about it. Which I get I get Rousey though in this position because it's like you've been traveling them for them for how long? And the more that you hold on to stuff, the more sus it makes you look in the process, right? Makes you mad. At least he's open about it.
Yeah. At least he's Oh, he he told you about What are you drinking? Fruit punch flower made it >> eating my flesh.
What? You're eating my flesh. Okay, maybe he is a little too honest there.
Wait a minute. Wait a [ __ ] minute. He They're eating No, I'm fine. Thank you. But why does Rousey not get along with Flowery? Is it is it because Flowy is significantly more open than Rousey is? Or is there like a And also Flowey trying to keep the keep keep them away from Asgore.
Flowy disguising Rousey. Why?
Leave it to me.
>> Hey team, how about that puzzly Wesley?
Come on Rousey, you only got to deal with them a little more.
Leave it to me. Let's go, Chris. Axe made of brambles. It is r It's rumored its wickedness infects anything it touches.
Oo in terms of Suzie wicked Chris. I'm really sorry for acting so thoughtless. I've never encountered someone that bothered me so much. I suppose I haven't been handling it well.
Chris, if you like Flowery, I'll try and like him, too. Oh, at least Rousey's honest about it. You know what? He sucks.
Nah, honestly, let's try and be his friend.
Let's try and and be their friend. You know, I think it's important that that why if we say he sucked, it's just going to like amplify it. But we can we don't have to go to war with everyone, right?
We don't necessarily got to like everyone, but we can try and be friends with everyone in some capacity, right?
No matter the kind of strange feelings I might have, no matter the doubts. In the end, Chris, I'll always trust your judgment.
No matter the doubts.
Oh, sorry.
Yeah, >> nice lap, Chris. Do you feel exercised?
Wow. Thanks, Rousey. You know what? Just for that, we're doing another one.
Don't make me do it again. Okay.
Oh, Chris really wants walkies today, huh? Oh, walkies. Oh, we get another one then. Oh, Rousey, I didn't know that.
Chris the dog. I didn't know you you that's such weird dialogue. It's so interesting. Walkies.
Okay, let's not get your bone density too high. Hey yo, maybe I should just stop saying things.
You think you've learned, Rousey?
That's very interesting dialogue. I didn't think anything would pop up, but the fact that it did is is awesome.
Have you guys encountered that dialogue before? That is so cool. That is such cool dialogue.
No. Yes. No. Oh, all right. All right, with all four of us. I did it for I did first run. Oh, this puzzle should be no problem.
>> Leave it to me.
>> Leave it to me.
I get it.
I get it. Rousey thinks that Flowery might be there to replace them, right?
or that flowery is is is like can be a replacement. Hence the jealousy, hence all of this stuff, right? Something I'm guessing Flowery is very very special at least to Asgore, right? in this capacity in the same way that Rousey is very very special probably to or Rousey is very special to to Chris and maybe to the family as a whole and it's that aspect of like no you don't belong here you don't belong here oh you >> mysterious wind >> aside bud mysterious wind >> I give to you >> watch this it's good for you Hey yo, mysterious win.
Damn. How was that?
It really is a different color, isn't it? Hey, >> it's a stingish.
>> Hey, Gorgore. What' you think of my Zaz?
Oh, just amazing flower.
Why is Ascore not freaked out about this?
Why is Asgore not freaked out about this? Are they I think that Asgore knows about the dark worlds because you're in a different environment.
Asgore is just chilling. So it really is a different Yeah. So it really is a different color.
Was it Asgore looking at at a at a shard?
Not questioning anything. He doesn't seem to question anything. He know he's noticing that things are a different color, which I'm assuming is it, you know, it's self, body, hair, anything like that, right?
Oh, chat.
Oh, chat.
How much does Asgore know?
How much does Asgore know?
He's probably playing dumb. I mean, I would too. Especially if if it's allowing your your opponent to or the the person that you're with to like lower their guard. Yeah.
>> A great style.
>> Skateboarding with youth. It's a great style, right?
>> My king.
>> My king. You always wanted to ride the board, too, right? Uh yes.
Really? He wanted to be a skateboarder along with Dazzy. But >> here, >> here it comes. San Francisco. Hold on tight.
>> Hey guys.
>> Hey guys.
How'd you like the show?
>> Your dad's loving it up.
>> Anyway, let's kick it up. I think the exit's up.
>> I could have done that. I could have done that. Has he I really wanted to talk about this because it feels like what is Rousey? Yo. Yeah. Sorry to keep the chat and waiting. Uh what is Rousey?
Because Rousey is acting as though they could have skateboarded with as I could have done that.
Is Rousey an a combination o of maybe Chris and and A's hopes and dreams personified Rousey? Like Wait, wait, wait, wait. Seems like my fan theory is wrong. I thought he meant the puzzle. No, I'm I I I'm very very very very very very sus. Very sus. I hope you all know that.
I think it's more about doing the puzzle. Oh, you think it's more about doing the puzzle, not about skateboarding with Asgore.
Yeah.
Not exactly the skateboarding bit.
But if that's the case, if if it was just to solve the puzzle, why why is Rousey still in still wearing his hat?
Why is Rousey keeping his identity a secret?
Yeah, we for someone they disliked. They took that very seriously.
Definitely.
A glued on like Matilda. Glued.
Hey guys.
>> Hey guys.
>> Hey guys. I think I found a glue.
>> I think I found the glue. I think I found the exit. Nice.
>> Goodbye.
>> Guess this is goodbye for us.
>> Susie.
>> Susie, you've got both barks and bites.
>> Flowers blooms in your heart. Shine that courage is and I know your love will bloom.
>> Sorry about that little guy.
>> Sorry about that little guy. Rousey, no hard feelings.
>> Try again.
>> The truth is I cherish your purest heart.
>> Oh, Chris. Well, Chris, >> forget it.
>> You know how I feel about you, don't you? Forget it. Yeah, Ralphie is pissed.
>> Goodbye. Well, time to go, everyone.
Huh? But that's just that only goes back to the light world. That doesn't lead us to the fountain.
>> That's right.
>> You're a hero.
>> This isn't a safe world to play hero in.
>> But the fountain. Chris is the fountain.
Dad.
>> Hey, don't let it be a concern for you.
>> You should know my strength by now.
>> All the fountain needs. All Asgore needs >> is just a human, right?
>> So, leave it to me.
>> But you're not, you know, you're just >> I'm just what, Rousey?
>> I'm just what?
>> We're all friends, aren't we?
>> But if you stay here, >> only troubled flowers will bloom.
>> Go home. Go home, Chris.
>> I'm sure your mother is very worried about you.
So, this is brings us back.
>> We're not going back. Yeah, Chris, maybe we can get your dad into this. Let's find him.
Far above the crack below, a door shines like a forbidden star. But you know you will not return that way.
I feel like he drops the voice the voice line. He he drops the voice clips when it's a serious moment.
I feel like there's there's a lot to take in with that. And I feel like in this whole thing it's like does Flowery thinks that he's making Asgore happy?
That's my main aspect with all of this, right? keeping Asgore here. Does he like is this supposed to be a way to try and like keep Asgore content and happy and all the things you can't do in the real world, he can do them here.
Then we see Rousey come out of the closet, you know, in this episode, this part, right? It's escapism really.
He really is u and have this jealousy towards Flowery, this anger, this this emotions towards Flowery. Is it due to not being able to fully connect or or maybe Flowy overexposing himself and overcommunicating? Right.
I feel like Flowy wants to take care of Asgore just like or Asgore takes care of him. No, 100%. Goku child. That's what I'm getting at is like the inference that's coming from this is like they want to take care of Asgore. in as much as they possibly can.
What? Okay. Could you compare the way that that Flowey wants to take care of Asgore the same way that we can compare Rousey the same that like how they want to take care of Chris and Susie?
All the flowers were in the dreamer's house before.
You don't think that Rousey would go towards like, you know, do anything and everything they can to try and protect them and hide painful truths to protect them emotionally, but I feel it does more harm than good. It can. It can.
Yeah. That's why I'm like The only difference is we have Flowy who's a lot more open and honest from the very get-go and and and I feel like ultimately you have a difference here, right? Is we have Rousey that's personified as kind of a child, right? kind of a teenager, a young child with this. And Flowery is personified more as an adult, a college roommate, someone that knows how to communicate, someone that like it, the way that this is showcasing it, right, is like Rousey is still learning, you know, how to even be themselves and, you know, at times hides shoes that might be emotionally hurtful. But Flowey, you know, hides shoes not necessarily by not being open about them, but by obscuring them in the way a lot of adults do.
You know, it's like, oh, they're there.
Here, put this on. Let me distract you a little bit, Asgore. You know, Flowery is what Rousey could be. Yep. Yep. Yep.
Yep. Yep. That's why I'm looking at this and I'm like, my heart aches. And my heart aches because this is such a wonderful opport like it's wonderful parallels as well of escapism and like of everything that's going on in here, right? And I guess my my question is this.
If you were in this world, would you want to spend time in the dark world or in your everyday struggles that you're going through?
That that is a question.
A dark world way cooler. So would you prefer escapism over reality?
Mhm. Rousey's like a child discovering adults cheat all the time talking about the dark world. Yeah.
Isn't Isn't this world just better?
which I talked about in in episode two, I think episode one or episode two, as to how both roots in a weird way can be alluding to how escapism might actually be detrimental, right? And ultimately, we either have to live in the here and now and not be escaping into our our our, you know, our dreams, want to be in a dark world if if I was either Chris or Susie.
>> Yep.
>> Yep. No, Same.
I mean, it's it's it's interesting. It's interesting because it's like Chris or Susie are going through through a lot in their our home life which makes escapism a lot easier for them.
Alrighty y'all.
So, I think this is a really good place for us to stop for tonight. We might open up a little bit of a of a thing in case you guys have any questions um or you know any any thoughts that you guys want to throw out there, you know, over on the Discord side of things. We'll see if anybody want if anybody has one. Um, and that way on Monday we can pick up right where we go from there, right? Cuz I think we're close to two hours there and we're also going through quite a bit. I know it's exciting though. We're going through quite a bit of stuff. All right, let me come on here. We're going to the general stage here. I'll set start the event and I'll name this topic um, hold on. I'll name this Delta Room.
Start the siege here.
Oh yeah, in case in case you guys have any questions, anything you guys want to talk about, as long as there's no spoilers, please remember, no spoilers.
I'm always down to have a conversation about Delta Room and what we're experiencing here. It's a really good way to connect, a really good way to understand stuff. Paradox, what's up?
>> Yes. Hello. I have one thing I wanted to point out from one of your dialogue choices actually.
>> Sure. What's up?
>> So during the time that uh you were talking with Rousey about how to think of Larry, you were telling him that you should trust him more, but do you not think that's robbing him of his own opinion?
>> And what how so do you mean?
>> Well, so far Rossley has had mixed opinions. He's been pretty angry towards Lori and just after he tells you that he trusts you for every decision, do you not think that's a bit of control?
>> I mean, >> is there >> here's the thing with Rousey, right? How do you know that he's telling the truth in any capacity?
>> Well, I'd say that this is far more personal than the stakes of the end of the world. So, this may cover a more personal place for him.
That doesn't answer the question though.
How do you know that he's telling the truth?
>> I don't.
>> Yeah, exactly. Right. So, considering that that they're they've, you know, continuously hide or ob like obscure the truth. I I think one of the main elements with this is what does control look like? Especially for Rousey, right?
Uh for Rousey, a big portion of this is there's jealousy at play, right? Clearly with Flowery because Flowy Flowy comes in and he just swoops on and I get why do people hate him? I first off follow-up question. Why do people dislike him?
>> I think it's just cuz he has the most punchable face in the game. I think that's about it.
>> Uh so with Rousey, it's he's developing chapter by chapter. That is something that we're seeing, right? And and I'll get back to Flowy. with Rousey, he's developing chapter by chapter, and it's as though they're becoming more and more, I guess, human the further we go in, if that makes sense. But at the same time, it's like with Rousey in particular, I I just find it interesting and kind of sus how immediately with every other character we've interacted with, it's always been neutral or positive vibes like we can do it. With Flowery though, it's like, get this guy out of here. I hate him. I absolutely dis like it's just automatic like hate automatic jealousy automatic like you know envy that sort of thing that's in there and wait wasn't wasn't that a part of the prophecy hold on remind me paradox wasn't part of the prophecy something like I got to go back and look it up >> uh which part what are you thinking of I can maybe point to it >> uh when it's saying like you know I think it was curs Gerson's dialogue.
Yeah.
>> Oh, yeah. If I remember correctly, it said uh that the vast garden will be charred in an inferno of jealousy. I don't remember if it was Gerson or the prophecy battles, though.
>> If it's an inferno of jealousy, could this be the jealousy that they're talking about?
Well, there's lots of jealousy going around this chapter so far.
>> Oh, 100%. 100%. But I I mean, so far, one of there there's Chris to Suzie and Noel. There's Asgore to Tori and Sans. There's Yeah.
Asgore toward Sans. There's quite literally, as we're seeing right now, Rousey to Flowery. There's a lot of jealousy and I'm kind of wondering if this is blinding them from what may come. Another question that I have with this is considering that this is open.
Will we see the Dark Knight?
Cuz that's that's a huge moment, a huge embodiment altogether, right?
Considering that this is open in this capacity, I wouldn't I wouldn't doubt it if we see the Dark Knight coming in at any moment considering they're like so active.
It's it's a possibility.
>> But yeah, with with Rousey, they're growing as a character. Of course, they're still OBS. Like, for example, that dialogue line, you know, it took a lot for Rousey to say that. Meanwhile, Flower is just like giving everything away. And it's sort of making me wonder as well if maybe Rousey doesn't think that like Flowery is taking a bit of their power away. Not necessarily power, but like importance away from what they're supposed to be doing for the group. No. Yeah. I was I was mentioning that like for Rousey, it's as though Flowery is coming through and playing that important role that they're supposed to play, right? Which is like the the lore keeper, information holder, all of this stuff. So, his role is feel Yeah. his role is is being threatened at this point in time. I mean, it makes sense why he's reacting that way, but it's just like it's very interesting to see Rousey just react that way in general.
>> Oh, yeah. Definitely Rousey has been putting himself down the entire time, delegating himself to his role as the tutorial person as this servant for the party of the heroes. But now all that is being threatened directly. So it shows more of his character >> and and that's sort of where I'm coming from is what is Rousey?
I like the the the silence, right? is like ultimately that that's the main regard is what is Rousey? But >> listen, if even if I knew, I couldn't tell you. Okay, I'll try my best there.
>> Yeah. All good. No worry, Paradox. All right, I'm going to put you back down.
Okay.
>> All right.
>> Thank you. All right, next uh person.
Anybody want to come up? Anybody have anything else? Um I I just hope all of you have had fun, all of you are enjoying it because for me it's like it's a very enjoyable experience. I think that's awesome. All right, please remember no spoilers. If you spoil, you're out of here. What's up? Uh, Plonium, how you doing?
>> Hey, uh, doing good.
>> Hey.
>> So, uh, my question is, since Rape and Flowery to degree reveal that, uh, the menu is diagetic, to what capacity does Ray know that this could just be a game? And that's part of why he's trying to protect them is keeping that information that their world isn't real in any capacity.
>> Well, um, twofold, right? Number one, does in a very breian approach, does Rousey know? I I thinking he kind of does. Uh, number two, I guess I'm gonna I'm gonna answer your question with the question, right? Is is Rousey administering this survey?
Uh, good question. I honestly don't know >> that. That's just, you know, and are are there other individuals that can administer this survey that are aware that this is kind of gamelike in some capacity?
>> I mean, yeah. I mean, most people assume that could be Gastra, but in a general sense, it's just anybody with that knowledge.
>> Mhm.
>> Like their mentality is going to be completely different to those that are oblivious like everybody in Hometown.
>> Exactly. Exactly. Even more so, right?
Like I guess the big one is how do you know that you're not living in a simulation right now? We'll refer it to our current uh like IRL life.
I mean, you can.
>> Okay. What if there was someone out there like, what would that do to your reality if someone knew that you weren't that like that we were in a simulation?
>> That would probably make me want to like depersonalize. Just realize like, oh, this none of this is real.
>> Yeah. None of this exists, right?
It ends up being like like mental health wise, right? It ends up hurting a lot of individuals, especially if they think that they are real. Uh, and it ends up that they're in a game. Like ultimately, you lose a sense of purpose. You lose like if we ended up finding out today like, hey, nothing is real. Everything is an illusion, a simulation. Um, you know, and you can actually there's someone else that's controlling you and there's text bars underneath, right? All of a sudden it's like, do any of your actions even matter? if at the end of the day you're under somebody else's control.
>> Yeah, that's a solid point. Honestly, we saw a similar thing in the amazing digital circuit streams.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
Which is a wonderful parallel, I think, at least with the the what was the name of the book? Uh I have no mouth and I must scream.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Could you escape escape the confines of the game. Which is why I'm thinking, is the Dark Knight even like bad or are they trying to break through the this survey that is being created?
>> Are they >> Good question.
>> Are they just trying to end the game so that that way, you know, they're not forced to repeat and start over from chapter one?
Well, the thing is is is trying to break the game or end the game. Are those two different sides of the same coin?
>> Right. Well, and and take it a step further, right? Hold on. Now, now that we're getting into into like this sort of combo, right? Um you've heard of uh quality testers, right? Where like they'll try and find glitches and boundaries and they know like they they try and Yeah, exactly.
They try and find anything and everything they can to exploit it. So, it's like it's making me wonder, are there certain individuals like the Dark Knight that essentially has been finding glitches, has been finding stuff like this, and maybe teamed up with Chris because Chris somehow found out and their whole aspect is just to reveal the truth, not necessarily, and keep people safe in in their bunker, you know, as opposed to um whatever we're doing with Rousey.
>> I mean, I imagine so.
Dark Knight is usually considered a superhero even if uh vigil Yeah, vigilantism is not really legal. I don't know. I think that's interesting. That's such an interesting topic to go into because it's like what is reality, you know, in this game? And if your players understand that you're in the game, how many loops or cycles have they gone through? And how many loops and cycles does have has Chris gone through that they're aware of?
Sarinelia uh mentioned just because you don't have control doesn't mean you don't experience feelings and can't make most of what you have under your control. Personally available uh happiness. Yes. But you know for most individuals it's like your experience are what makes you. But if you find out that at any point in time someone from the outside can shut off the game that that is an existential level of fear that comes through with it that you're your life is meaningless. Uh and that's what a lot of individuals start falling into, right? Is my life is meaningless.
I have no control. All my experiences are just mimics of whatever's out there and I'm essentially just a puppet. It's like if The Sims ended up being a real thing, you know, and it's like, "Ooh, ooh, that's tough." So, what do you think of Flowy?
>> Uh, so far he seems well-intentioned, but I can see Ralph's frustrations with him.
>> Mhm. Yeah. No, absolutely. I mean, I I feel like he's cool to be around for a bit, but I feel like he'd get annoying after a while.
Yeah, absolutely. Especially with the voice clips.
>> Oh, the voice clips. Okay. Has that made you start stemming? Like vocal stemming or nah? Have you have you held out pretty well?
>> Oh, I I started uh the stems like hour one.
>> Oh god. I I hope you know that that that's gonna Oh, that that's gonna be in my mind for a good while. Sorry to keep you waiting. Oh no.
Glue. Yes, glue. Anyway, anything else, Plonium?
>> Uh, nothing else for now.
>> No worries. Thank you so much. I appreciate you.
>> Yeah, thank you.
>> Of course.
>> All right.
>> Yo, Plonia is awesome. All of you are absolutely fantastic. Any other thing before we end up uh closing the stage here? I hope you guys like this opportunity to just uh talk about things like this, right?
M and and have the opportunity to just like bring up a question or two if you guys wanted to. Uh I I think it's just a really good way to debrief especially after whatever we're seeing only see them for like 25 days ago. Uh Patreon giggle some all unedited VODs are up on Patreon for a dollar.
That wasn't nice. What? Sorry to keep you waiting. Or glue. Anything else, y'all?
Oh, okay. Um, well, I hope you're okay.
Asgard and Flowery, Toriel, and Sans's parallel thoughts.
Oh, hold on.
Hi.
chapter is like a big old throwback.
>> What's that? Sorry, you you came in like halfway.
>> Yeah. Oh, yeah. Uh, so I feel like this whole chapter is a throwback.
>> Mhm.
>> Cuz the only other time it shows you the song is when it plays the field of field of hopes and dreams.
And the layout of the whole dark world is kind of similar too >> to chapter one, >> especially starting area. Yes. Uh you know how you go down and get the uh ribbon? It's like nearly the exact location where you get the ribbon in the first chapter >> when the safe point is in the same place.
>> So it well talk about similarities, right? Parallels, but also differences.
Um cuz at least in chapter one we got to close that fountain, right?
>> Yeah.
>> In this one, Flowery is kind of just asking us to leave.
>> Yeah.
>> Um also in the diner, like Asgore talks about how he didn't really get, you know, go to the diner with people in a long time. like he's reminiscing of the old times.
>> Yeah. Well, I mean, what was >> I feel like I feel like this whole thing is like a big nostalgia thing.
>> Well, I was about to say it it is a dad that probably hasn't connected with their kids, you know, so in a long time or, you know, family in general or with his ex-wife. U because realistically, when do you think it was the last time that like Asgore hung out hung out with any of them?
Yeah, probably not in a long time. It's probably in a long time that he hung out with anybody.
>> Yeah. So, the fact that Flowery is there and is making Asgore feel good or at least like, you know, kind of trying to fulfill his every request that that that they've had, I it's making me wonder if Flowery sees themselves a as kid and is trying to meet the things that like, you know, kind of like the the empty holes in Asgore's heart in that manner. In that way, >> it also makes me wonder how much of a weeb Asgore is because uh seeing the whole like cowboy thing and whatnot and like we're in Japan setting, it's like how how much of a weeb is Asgore?
Uh but anyway, any last question before I drop you down or any last thing you want to say before I drop you down?
Uh, last thing I would like to ask is like everyone is like reminiscing over something or being jealous of something.
Uh, I feel like except Susie.
>> Yeah, Suzie is just there.
>> Susie is just having a blast.
>> Yeah.
Also, one last thing. Uh, I feel like the main reason Chris is keep opening these dark fountains is to spend more time with his friends.
You think it's about Well, it could be.
It could be.
>> Yeah, because like also I feel like he's really jealous as well of uh Suzie and Noel because like right when they were about to like really hit it off, he literally like ripped us out and opened the dark fountain, stopped them.
Well, also them being awake while they were in the lake scene and whatnot, you know, pretending to be asleep. They That was one of the things where I'm like, "Uh, Chris, what are you doing?" Uh, you know, if you like Susie, you could have told them.
But I I mean, it's kind of difficult at times to come come to your own feelings at times. So, yeah, they they definitely uh were going. So, one more thing I'm wondering is like what were they doing all night last night?
>> Cuz like they were outside all night last night, right?
>> Right. What were they up to?
>> Well, what are they setting up? Like what is the surprise? Right. And I have a feeling like this has to be the calm before the storm. We've been facing a lot of enemies. We've been facing a lot of like, you know, the lore building.
And I feel like, you know, we're we're at we're at this festival point. It's so sad that he shattered across time and space right now.
>> Yeah, I don't know why it's crashing.
>> Yeah, at this point in time it looks like stream just wants to keep crashing, unfortunately. So, I just wanted to say thank you all so much for being here. I hope you guys enjoyed the conversation.
Unfortunately, because stream keeps crashing, I'm not going to risk it. Uh, not until maybe it it fixes itself a little bit more. Uh, y'all are absolutely phenomenal. Be safe. Practice some self-care. Hope you guys enjoyed it. I hope you guys enjoyed the the conversations that we've been having.
Uh, and come and join us Monday. Monday we'll start off with Deltaroon at 400 p.m. Pacific Standard Time here on Twitch. Make sure to come and join.
Y'all are absolutely goated. Thank you so so much. It was an absolute blast having each and every single one of y'all here. Be safe. And I just wanted to tell you guys we are under 10 hours.
Uh oh. Uh oh. Thank you all so much. Be safe. Have a great day. Be phenomenal.
Be breathtaking. Be safe. Bye y'all. Be safe.
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